June 13, 2023 • 27 mins
PinkPantheress Talks Collab With Ice Spice, DM's, Boy's A Liar, + More
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's it's way up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
But Angela Yee, I'm Angela Yee and Pink Pantherust is here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi, so welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
So my my gud daughters in the corner in the room.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Too, because on the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, she's sitting on the floor, but she's a huge
fan of yours. And I appreciate you for coming through. Okay,
thank you for me, and it's a big time for you. Yeah,
right now, how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I feel good?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You do? Yeah, okay, you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have a new song that's out that's on the barbie
sound Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Did you have barbies growing up?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
No, my mom I genuinely keep saying like they were
pretty expensive.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
My mom wouldn't spend.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Over like like five pounds okay.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
For like toys and stuff. So no, we didn't have barbies.
But I did at some point have like a like
a big bobby head that like practiced by Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I remember though, Yeah, I know, because I was thinking, it's,
you know, just me being from New York and you're
from the UK.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't know if we all grew up with the
same thing, like we had Kevish past kids.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That was a big deal. I don't even know what
that is exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So what was your thing growing up? Like, as far
as you know, did you have dolls that you want
it or you.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Think that you guys you probably would have like this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I don't want to know. I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Let me think. Did I have dolls and stuff I had? Like, yeah,
I had like.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The Simpsons, Okay. I also I collected Happy Meal toys.
I'm not joking, like those years worth in my room
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm not gonna lie Happy Meal toys with the best.
And you'd be so disappointed if you didn't get like
a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, you just I'd still keep it though, and I
keep duplicates too, so like I've got literally a whole
Like it's it's sad.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I wonder if they're worth something now.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I do wonder that myself, But I feel like there's
so many people in the world with like the same
amount of collections I have.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's probably.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So what was life for you like growing up? Like
what kind of kid were you? Were you always the
one that was really creative. They knew you were going
to do music or did you think you would be
doing something else?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No, I think I wanted to always do music, But
I really, I realistically didn't think it was going to
be that viable, like possible until like I was like eighteen.
I genuinely, I genuinely thought that every famous person had
to be like born into like money, I don't know, yeah,
born into money or like born into like I thought
(02:18):
like every pop star was like engineered like also like
like like actually like a like genetically modified person. I'm
not joking, it's crazy, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What about people who you grew up liking?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, yeah, I listened to a lot of I was saying.
I listened to a lot of UK artists up until
I was like fourteen. Then I started listening to.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Like more overseas ones.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But yeah, I liked a lot of Like this is
the thing, you probably wouldn't know many of them, but
like I really liked, like I really still love Lily Allen.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And I know Lily Allen is okay, no, okay, But
I was naming the most obvious person just to like
make sure.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But like, I listened to like a lot of bands.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And like, and you were in a band too, right.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, for some reason, everyone knows that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Because it's yes, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's like, yeah, she was in a cover band briefly.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Did you get a lot of gigs when you were
doing it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We tried, honestly.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That was like I remember back then thinking like that
was gonna be my my break, Like that was gonna
be me. That was my claim to fame. And did
I get many gigs? I got like a few, like three?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
How do you think that helped you with your career? Now?
Do you think it helped you at all?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But I feel bad.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't want anyone to like, I don't think anyone
in the band's gonna watch it, But like, no, I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think things that.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Happened before you're like fifteen, I feel like I feel
like stuff like that didn't really affect musically what I
had today have today.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, you also do co produce and produce your own music.
So how did you learn how to do that?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I I don't know, actually, fun I played piano in
my whole life, So I just it translates pretty well
when you do that, and you can just jump on
and do Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Do you remember the first son that you ever produce?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I produced for my friend first.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, so that's how you initially started. You were like, Okay,
I'm gonna be a producer behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah exactly. It's not on the Insneteymore'm pretty sure she
did it. But yeah, I produced my friend. I did
like a few of I'd like some mixtapes. Well, like
I I was working with for like two years. Then
I just decided to starting my own thing. I was
int twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, and okay, that's interesting. And so early on for you,
did your family think that this was gonna happen for you?
Because clearly you've always known you were interested in music,
you had the cover band, you were producing for other
people writing songs as well. So at what point did
they say, Okay, this is looking like something's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I also it ages because obviously for them, like people
like their age and like where where they find themselves,
and like.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like I guess cultural understanding.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I feel like they had to see me like on
like the BBC like radio or the BBC network.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
In the UK to like fully understand anything.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So yeah, I feel like they But this is the
thing I didn't tell them at any point I wanted
to be a singer because it just.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Sounds even saying it out loud now it sounds ridiculous.
I'm like I'm a pop star or like I want
to be a pop star. It just sounds crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And people describe you as an introvert, right, So how
is it for you being in the spot like like
this but also knowing that, like you don't even when
to have to be around people post all the time
because you don't post all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, it's that's not ticktack you did.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But I do. I love my TikTok.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But like I will say, like, I'm an introvert by choice.
It's not like I'm naturally and naturally I'm an extrovert
fush one thousand percent being since I was a kid,
like an extrovert in terms of like I mean, I
never wanted all the attention, but like I'm I'm confident
I can talk to a whole room and did it
a bit of these days. I choose to be an
introvert because I just feel like, I don't know, I
(05:53):
just genuinely feel sometimes like as an artist, I feel
like it's really helpful sometimes to really pick and choose
what you let people see about you. And and I
don't want people it's just it's a combination of I
don't want people to feel like they know me and
too much. I don't want people to comment all the
time about everything that I do or wear. And then
it's it's just multiple things. So I choose to be
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an introvert. The only place where I'm actually an introvert
I'm not gonna lie is the stage I've got stage right,
which I keep telling them, Yeah, I do have stage right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
At first of all, I like how you keep going
and da da da da da, because I do that too. Yeah,
I don't feel like finishing and I feel like your
music though. Also, were you in one bad relationship or
is it like a series of different situations? Because when
you're young and dating, things messed up happen. Trust me,
(06:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It even when you get older in dating.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But for you, was it like a certain situation or
is it just different things that you've seen and experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's the second one. It's like things I've seen and experience.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I went to a girls school, and therefore, like I saw,
I mean, I feel like every and at school.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Always just sees things.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But I feel going to a girls school was so
much more like I obviously could connect with with with
the girls on a way different level. I could connect
with like, say, a boy at a mixed school. So yeah,
I did see a lot of relationship things. And I
didn't even enter my first relationship until I was like
way older than high school. But yeah, I just a
lot of it isn't necessarily coming from my personal experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But things I've seen.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But what is funny is that I was saying, it's
like every song seems to manifest it to happen in
real life.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's quite weird. Actually, Yeah, every song.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Like a little pain in there and then it happened.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Then it happens and then yeah, so it's actually I
should probably be careful with the power of the tongue.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But yeah, so what happened in there?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, so after high school you had a real relationship, Yeah, okay,
what ended up happening with that?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And is there a particular sign that you wrote about it?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But but what ended up happened?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well, I just I think my whole issue with with
relationships and stuff like that, and it doesn't even need
to be romantic, can be platonic as well as I
just feel like myself, I feel like I when you
once you're out of school, you realize not everyone has
to get on with everyone, and you can really pick
and choose your friends and who you want to be around.
And when I realized I could be more selective and
I didn't actually need to like have these, you know,
(08:19):
I could really choose. I remember realizing like so, so,
for example, with a boyfriend, it was like, I don't
actually need to have you as a boyfriend. The title
boyfriend is removable. I could at any point you could
just be my friend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Again, just remove the boy and it's brand.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And then once I realized the simplicity of being able
to remove the word boy from brand, I was like, cool,
I don't need to be here anymore. And then but no,
I didn't write a song about it. However, songs do
apply to most scenarios.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like which which a song which are like okay, like do.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You miss me? What would that apply to?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That one is purely fictition, because that one is about
like someone cheating.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And that's never that's about me cheating.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's about me like being with a man who's got
a golfriend.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I've that's what that song's about.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I've never done clarify definitely needs.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
To clarify that people on Twitter sometimes are like she
seemed pink time, where it seems like a psychopaths.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
She seems like a huge liar in her song, and
I'm like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's okay, it's not, it's not all real, so okay,
but yeah, and that happens all the time, and I'm
sure that you've seen that happen.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
To people, so all.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right, and then she went ice Spice right doing a
collapse together the boys a liar to the remix? How
impactful was it that everybody saw you guys like filming
the video. People were going crazy on social media because
at first they didn't even know what was happening. They
were like, it looks like they're working on something together.
Was that something that you didn't want to get leaked out?
(09:54):
And you were disappointed when it did, but then realized
that it was amazing that it happened, because I feel
like it was just trending, but maybe it was secret
at first.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I oh, I shouldn't even pick up too much on
when it did legal all. I think somebody in my
team was like, oh, yeah, there's a TikTok of you guys,
But I mean I didn't really mind at all. I
was just like, okay, I was like more like I
was like lolls, like it's kind of funny, but uh yeah,
I feel like if anything, it was like obviously it
(10:24):
was nice to have something to build it up and
like have people prepared for it as opposed to it
is kind of being radio signists and then just that
right bang.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I think that the rollout was really this.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I liked the rollout a lot because it was all organic,
like there was nothing that necessarily I didn't plan it.
The only thing I did on my end for like
that whole rollout was a billboard where I thought we
should have dummies and that was it, and they got
stolen in both cities.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Ways, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's crazy, but expected.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah okay, and I'm mad at that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So you said that you saw that she follows you
and then you slid in her DMS.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah that's how that got done.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
M m.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and you did the same thing with Willow.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Listen, these dms are working for you, They.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Work for this is, they work for everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The thing is that they don't stap it pink panthers.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They do not work for everybody, because I'm sure there's
a lot of dms sitting here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There are on red the people are not responding to.
So that's naturally Okay, very true.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, fine, you're You're not wrong, You're very correct. But
I didn't think they were going to be seen when
I send out a DM, because I don't have a tick.
I don't expect anyone to see them. So it was
a very big surprise on both both events of both
of them responding and seeing it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So yeah, why not have it a check? I don't
know you didn't want one, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I actually, genuinely, I'm not even on some timing of like, oh,
it's pretentious and like I'm better than that. It's not
that it's genuinely on the timing of it makes me
cringe so bad seeing a tick. I don't know, and
I think it's ugly next to the name.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
There you go, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But it also is, like you said, because people might
not even really think it's you.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, but I think that's kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Honestly, I think it's fa I don't This is the thing,
I really I don't like doing things super like how
they're meant to be or linear.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think it's kind of funny to do random things.
I think that's kind of random.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So now let's talk about your first experience come here.
I think when you did La La Palooza, was that's
your first festival here in the United States?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It might be, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So how tell me about that day and that experience
in Chicago. M hm, that was either no, I wasn't there,
but I saw when you when you did it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That was fun. That was when I had I saw.
I've had a hype man.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I've had like a rotation of hype people on stage
with me just because because I had stage where I
was like, I need someone to help me, like not
make it like awkward. So but I think in turn
it probably made it more awkward having a hype man.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And I remember that was a surprise for me because
I was so many people there and I was like,
I don't know, I was surprised. I think that American
is in Chicago. I thought like it wasn't going to
be crazy, but it was actually a.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Lot of people and they were good.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I remember they were they were really receptive and I
like that festival a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I really like that one.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
That's a great one for you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
How do you feel, like, what are you doing to
get over stage right?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Because that is something there is a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I feel like as you do things more, you get
more comfortable with it. But is that happening for you
or what are you doing to work on it?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
To work on it is honestly, just have this exposure therapy,
to be honest with you, Just keep doing it and
then you kind of start to like become more familiar
with what you can do with like the extents of
what you can do as an artist and a performer.
But then also I was saying this to someone else
just yesterday, like I decided at some point, I just
decide that I don't actually care because everyone your whole
(13:41):
life will tell you don't care what people think, and
you know what it's like, sometimes you should care what
people think. I'm not even gonna lie to you. But
for some reason, being on stage, I'm kind of just
like I'm here now, like if it's like you can
if I mess up, it's like I've messed up, Like
I just I don't know for some reason, and I
just suddenly clicked to my head.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I don't actually care.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's also part of real life. Like people I think
find that somewhat relatable.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It's relatable.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
But also I've never put on the front that I'm
Beyonce or like I'm this or I'm this performer. I've
never put that on that front. I think me putting
on that front and trying to be like perfect and
like worry too much about.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It would just be completely false.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think like doing something like going on stage and
having things like sometimes go wrong or like this happens
on a certain day, it's just what happens. And I
think when you're an artist that like like me and
other people who like oh more I guess, as I said,
introverted in terms of stage presences and stuff, it's all
about the music. For me, I've never once claimed to
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be like a crazy performer. So when you come to
terms with that makes you realize, yeah, they're just gonna
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Because the reason I asked about the current band earlier,
I was thinking that might help you.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know everything that you did that that you know
you were in there.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh, so you know that I was when you were young,
and that mighta made you more comfortable so that when
you're doing your own music.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If anything, I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and
say it probably helped a tiny bit. But like even then,
I was still face to the floor like I was.
Really it wasn't great. But these days it's gotten a
way better.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I think personally, how do you write your music?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I just listened to the beat first, then write the
melody line.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Lyrics come last.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay, so beat theirs melody line and then there and
for you, how important is a collaborative effort? Do you
like to work by yourself or do you like to
be in the room with people?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, no, it's just me. Honestly, I can't when it
comes to no, I don't like people. I think it's
just me. I don't like no I love people in
the room.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
No, because then as soon as you have all these
people in the room, they take credit for things that
they haven't necessarily done.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I'm like, you needn't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It's like, you know what, it feels like you've been
through a lot that you.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Not even I haven't even been through a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's just like, you know, I feel like I'm just
not what's it called I'm just not like naive. I'm
just very like I realize everything. It's everything is so
clear in front of me. It's like, this is why
I'm honest about where I perform and stuff. I know,
I'm not like gonna sit here and lie and say
that if you invite twenty people in a room, twenty
people are gonna try and say that they wrote the song.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I wrote the song.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Do you feel like there's people now that are trying
that are like, Okay, I'm gonna be the next pink pantherist, already.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Be the next me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh, kind of like saying okay, this is working for her. Oh, like,
so let me chat it.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, there's so many different angles you could try and
be me, whether it's sonically or like using I mean,
I know there are people that have told me before
like oh I use TikTok to problemise thing now that's
not copying me at all, or that's not trying to
be the next me. But like people where it's like
the music sounds similar, or like some might even sound
completely the same. I mean, I think of it as
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a compliment, and I think if I'm worried about someone
being the next to me, it means that I don't
think that I'm doing the best of that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You know, have people ever chat to tell you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Because now you know you are signed to a label now,
so how have things changed since that? Because you're so
used to before that you're able to give the music
directly to people. So what changes now when you signed
to a label? Is their input are you guys? Are
they giving you ideas of like this should be a single,
we should put this out? Clearly, I don't know if
the Barbie song came from that or how that came about.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Kind of did come from that to be yeah, because
obviously like the film would have contacted the label, and
so it's changed simply just like I always picked the
next song, I don't really something like a label. Yeah
like that obviously there they help a lot with everything.
For example, even this interview. Now it's like that's the
label coming through with that. And that's why I like
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being on a label because in terms of marketing stuff,
I don't really market myself in a way which I
think people want me to. Sometimes I kind of just
do it based on what I think is right, and
having a label there is super helpful for that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That's one thing I will say.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But when it comes to like the actual music making
or input about sonics and stuff, I don't let anyone
really tell me.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, So when you send your songs over, you wait
till it's done, and then you're like, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Period.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, pretty much you're like, yeah, oh no, but I
will take opinions, but.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just like I will always take it with a grain
of salt.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And you're very particular about who you work with too.
It's not like you're just, oh, this is the hat
person right now, let me do a song with them. Yeah,
So who are some people right now that you're like, okay,
bucket list.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Of working with?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, I honestly everyone that I've wanted to I've I've done,
Like Cashnado was a long time dream and I did that.
And then even like a Willow that was like I've
been a fan of Willow for a long time, so
that was great, And obviously, like I try and like
Willow as well, because I looked up to her for
a long time and even though she's like my age,
(18:50):
I still was like the fact that she's black and
like that she's like alternative is like, you don't see
that very much, you do, You really don't see it
too much in like mainstream or even adjacent mainstream adjacent music.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So seeing Willow, it was like, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's six And what was it like being with her
like in person? Yeah, great, Yeah, she's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
She's cool.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I really yeah, she's cool and she's really really good
at singing, and that blew me away. Honestly, I knew
she was good from the songs she has, but hearing
it in real life was like, Okay, she doesn't need
any tuning, she doesn't need anything, like, she's an amazing
singer and she plays all the instruments too.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That was another surprise for me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Wow, yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Crazy really really good. But yeah, Colap, who would I.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
If you had a D now, who would it be?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I think my DM. I think my DM tokens are
all out. I don't think I can keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, I can't. I don't want to be known for this,
like it can't.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think I'm gonna just give it, Like, let me
give myself two years to just like build those tokens
back up. And I'm like, but even in two years,
I'm hoping that I won't have to even have to
DM anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I'm hoping you would just be like.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Ask someone personally, get their number.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm hoping it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What about your dms? Who's been hitting you?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Check them? And every time there's probably so much good Stephaniere.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Probably and it's kind of funny. Yeah, like I have
missed some, Like I'll like go.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Every month or two and I'll see one.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And I'll be like, oh my god, I should have
responded to that, and I have to apologize and be
like I just don't go on Instagram and stuff, and they.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Always like, oh yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But like there's been some pretty like I mean, I'm
not gonna say like it's just yeah, there's been someone's
where you or anyone in this room.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Might have been like, yeah, you should have aunced that.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
But you still can and I do, but it's always
late and I always feel bad. But I have a weird.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Anxiety surrounding reading dms for some reason.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I'm like I don't want to read like all of them,
because I feel very obliged to message everyone back, even
if they're.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
A fan or if they're anyone, okay, and that takes
me hours.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
But they also won't see that you read it if
you don't follow them.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, if you don't follow them, you can I think so, right,
they won't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's read as.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Soon as you accept the DM request.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh you don't have to accept it though, you can
just look at Yeah, you can just look that's what
I do.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, it kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Kind of, but yeah, I try. I try to make
sure because it's business in those dms too.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh, it's true. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
There's a lot I should I think I might have
to start getting someone from the label to actually do
that for me.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I can't do it myself.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Now, what's an ideal life like for you right now?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Because clearly you love doing your music, and like you said,
you've had stage right, but you've come to the fact
that this is who I am. If I mess up,
it's whatever we keep it going. My fans. No, I'm
not even pretending to be perfect. But for you, if
you could say this is how I want to do
things and where I want to be, what would you
say that is for you right now?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Musically or just Okay, musically and.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
In life, in life, because your life is music too.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I feel like for me, it's it's so it's just
as simple as being able to know that, like I
can drop a song tomorrow or the day after, and
like again I don't care about you know, charting or
this or getting into this like I love but and
again no, it's not showing no, I love it like
I have so much appreciation.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
However, Like I think just being able to know that
I could drop song tomorrow and like the fan base
is there for me to listen to it and show
it love and appreciate it no matter what it is.
Because if I wanted to change genre tomorrow, I hope
that people would still support me and not be like,
why did she switch up on us?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Like that, I don't even know where January this is now, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, my music was, oh exactly, so well it's it's
like dance pap.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
It all belongs in the same world though, and that's
the kind of thing that that you can't really recreate.
And that's why I when you asked it about the
next one, I was like, that's why I'm kind of
fine where I am. I feel very sure about myself
because it's such a very specific world that I've tried
to curate and I feel like it succeeded. So that
being said, to have a fan base that realizes that
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I'm not like specific to one genre and I can
mix it up, To have a fan base that respect
me and realize what I'm about and defend me and
and stuff like that, and and just living nice, like
I don't need a big house, but like an I
just know house, London, wood gods and like you know,
just being able to like I just think, like, yeah,
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I'm happy with my life right now. Honestly, I think
it's great. I think I'm very lucky to be.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
In my position.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I think what I'm describing, I think I'm pretty much
at that there, so I can't ask for much more.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What about putting out a full length album now?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Because the EP has three songs, and we know the
mixtape came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What about an album?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh no, that is on the that yeah, that is
the way.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That is what I'm working on now, and that is
I guess what I was just describing about my ideal life,
like after that's out, and if it gets like well received,
then that's going to be like I'm already on the
way to where I want to be, So that's just
going to like.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Bring me closer to that. I hope that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
How does an album?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
How is an album different than you're putting out music
and singles whenever you feel like you're putting out an EP.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How is it different than a mixtape? How are you
approaching this differently?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Funnily enough, I didn't even.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So I don't put any value in the label's mixtape album.
The only reason I called it a mixtape really was
because I didn't want to call it an album because
I didn't want people to say that was my debut album.
But otherwise, like that could have been an album in
my opinion, because I thought it was quite cohesive and
in soera in space. But I think me bringing out
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an album for a lot of people, it's like, Okay,
this is her story, Like this is like a really
this is a concise and cohesive body of work that
we could like now it's been two years, she's built
up her skills, and like now we can hear something
which sounds like two years of development. From where she
began to now. And that's why I waited two years,
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because I was like, I want to wait till I'm
developed properly before I actually bring out on an album
which could win awards or could do this, or could chart.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And if it doesn't, then it's equally as fine it does.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A yet very comfortable with yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I think so, I but you know, I feel like,
as I said, two years, it's been two years of
having to learn to be and having to like travel
to LA, travel to New York, be in the room
with you, be in the room with this person, and
like really and look at other artists sometimes and be like,
I don't like what they're doing. I don't think that
that's what I want to do in and or I
like what this artistory I'm going to try and you know,
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graduate from the school of this artist and like kind
of and that's how I kind of found myself here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I know early on you didn't really like to do
interviews like on camera, and.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I didn't really, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
How did you manage to move past that? And what
was it about that that you didn't like?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Well, A big part of it was I just didn't
like how I looked on camera, and that's why I
didn't want to do it, because I was like, I
don't want to look at it back and think, oh
my god, I look horrible. But now I think again,
it's all about development. I think now I can look
at myself and I feel happy with that. And I
think that once that happened and I started feeling happy
with that, I was like, okay, because I know I
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can talk about music and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I know I can.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I'm very concise about what I share, and like I
can talk about what I want to share. I know
that no one basically can pressed me into says and
I don't want to say so. Once I figured out
that I was happy with how everything looked and like
how like dressed and stuff, I was like, Okay, now
I feel like I'm comfortable enough to talk and stuff
and be seen by people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And yeah, yeah, no, people need to see this.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah I need to see you sometimes, though not all
the time. You know, you gotta see it out like accordingly.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But yeah, how much of the album is done?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Oh well depends, like I guess what day you ask me,
But like I'd say like sixty percent, no, fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's go fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay, so maybe this is coming kind of soon, maybe
I think so hopefully. Well, Pink Panther there is, thank
you so much and congratulations on everything, because honestly, like
very super talented.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And I like the fact that it's all organic.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You are who you are, unapologetically, and I think it's
so you're not like out here trying your hardest to
be in the spotlight, coming up with fake storylines and none.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
No, not yet anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Not Yeah. Okay, well no I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm joking. Thank you. I appreciate you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's way up at Angela. Ye, Pink Pantherests, well,
What's it's way up.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
But Angela Yee, I'm Angela Yee and Pink Pantherust is here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi, so welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
So my my gud daughters in the corner in the room.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Too, because on the floor.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, she's sitting on the floor, but she's a huge
fan of yours. And I appreciate you for coming through. Okay,
thank you for me, and it's a big time for you. Yeah,
right now, how do you feel?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I feel good?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You do? Yeah, okay, you.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Have a new song that's out that's on the barbie
sound Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Did you have barbies growing up?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
No, my mom I genuinely keep saying like they were
pretty expensive.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
My mom wouldn't spend.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Over like like five pounds okay.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
For like toys and stuff. So no, we didn't have barbies.
But I did at some point have like a like
a big bobby head that like practiced by Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I remember though, Yeah, I know, because I was thinking, it's,
you know, just me being from New York and you're
from the UK.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't know if we all grew up with the
same thing, like we had Kevish past kids.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That was a big deal. I don't even know what
that is exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So what was your thing growing up? Like, as far
as you know, did you have dolls that you want
it or you.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Think that you guys you probably would have like this.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I don't want to know. I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Let me think. Did I have dolls and stuff I had? Like, yeah,
I had like.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The Simpsons, Okay. I also I collected Happy Meal toys.
I'm not joking, like those years worth in my room
at home.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm not gonna lie Happy Meal toys with the best.
And you'd be so disappointed if you didn't get like
a good one.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, you just I'd still keep it though, and I
keep duplicates too, so like I've got literally a whole
Like it's it's sad.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I wonder if they're worth something now.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I do wonder that myself, But I feel like there's
so many people in the world with like the same
amount of collections I have.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's probably.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So what was life for you like growing up? Like
what kind of kid were you? Were you always the
one that was really creative. They knew you were going
to do music or did you think you would be
doing something else?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
No, I think I wanted to always do music, But
I really, I realistically didn't think it was going to
be that viable, like possible until like I was like eighteen.
I genuinely, I genuinely thought that every famous person had
to be like born into like money, I don't know, yeah,
born into money or like born into like I thought
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like every pop star was like engineered like also like
like like actually like a like genetically modified person. I'm
not joking, it's crazy, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What about people who you grew up liking?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well, yeah, I listened to a lot of I was saying.
I listened to a lot of UK artists up until
I was like fourteen. Then I started listening to.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Like more overseas ones.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
But yeah, I liked a lot of Like this is
the thing, you probably wouldn't know many of them, but
like I really liked, like I really still love Lily Allen.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And I know Lily Allen is okay, no, okay, But
I was naming the most obvious person just to like
make sure.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But like, I listened to like a lot of bands.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And like, and you were in a band too, right.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yes, for some reason, everyone knows that.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Because it's yes, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's like, yeah, she was in a cover band briefly.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Did you get a lot of gigs when you were
doing it?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
We tried, honestly.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
That was like I remember back then thinking like that
was gonna be my my break, Like that was gonna
be me. That was my claim to fame. And did
I get many gigs? I got like a few, like three?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
How do you think that helped you with your career? Now?
Do you think it helped you at all?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
But I feel bad.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't want anyone to like, I don't think anyone
in the band's gonna watch it, But like, no, I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think things that.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Happened before you're like fifteen, I feel like I feel
like stuff like that didn't really affect musically what I
had today have today.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, you also do co produce and produce your own music.
So how did you learn how to do that?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I I don't know, actually, fun I played piano in
my whole life, So I just it translates pretty well
when you do that, and you can just jump on
and do Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Do you remember the first son that you ever produce?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I produced for my friend first.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, so that's how you initially started. You were like, Okay,
I'm gonna be a producer behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah exactly. It's not on the Insneteymore'm pretty sure she
did it. But yeah, I produced my friend. I did
like a few of I'd like some mixtapes. Well, like
I I was working with for like two years. Then
I just decided to starting my own thing. I was
int twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, and okay, that's interesting. And so early on for you,
did your family think that this was gonna happen for you?
Because clearly you've always known you were interested in music,
you had the cover band, you were producing for other
people writing songs as well. So at what point did
they say, Okay, this is looking like something's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I also it ages because obviously for them, like people
like their age and like where where they find themselves,
and like.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Like I guess cultural understanding.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I feel like they had to see me like on
like the BBC like radio or the BBC network.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
In the UK to like fully understand anything.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So yeah, I feel like they But this is the
thing I didn't tell them at any point I wanted
to be a singer because it just.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Sounds even saying it out loud now it sounds ridiculous.
I'm like I'm a pop star or like I want
to be a pop star. It just sounds crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And people describe you as an introvert, right, So how
is it for you being in the spot like like
this but also knowing that, like you don't even when
to have to be around people post all the time
because you don't post all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, it's that's not ticktack you did.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But I do. I love my TikTok.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But like I will say, like, I'm an introvert by choice.
It's not like I'm naturally and naturally I'm an extrovert
fush one thousand percent being since I was a kid,
like an extrovert in terms of like I mean, I
never wanted all the attention, but like I'm I'm confident
I can talk to a whole room and did it
a bit of these days. I choose to be an
introvert because I just feel like, I don't know, I
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just genuinely feel sometimes like as an artist, I feel
like it's really helpful sometimes to really pick and choose
what you let people see about you. And and I
don't want people it's just it's a combination of I
don't want people to feel like they know me and
too much. I don't want people to comment all the
time about everything that I do or wear. And then
it's it's just multiple things. So I choose to be
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an introvert. The only place where I'm actually an introvert
I'm not gonna lie is the stage I've got stage right,
which I keep telling them, Yeah, I do have stage right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
At first of all, I like how you keep going
and da da da da da, because I do that too. Yeah,
I don't feel like finishing and I feel like your
music though. Also, were you in one bad relationship or
is it like a series of different situations? Because when
you're young and dating, things messed up happen. Trust me,
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I know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It even when you get older in dating.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But for you, was it like a certain situation or
is it just different things that you've seen and experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's the second one. It's like things I've seen and experience.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I went to a girls school, and therefore, like I saw,
I mean, I feel like every and at school.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Always just sees things.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
But I feel going to a girls school was so
much more like I obviously could connect with with with
the girls on a way different level. I could connect
with like, say, a boy at a mixed school. So yeah,
I did see a lot of relationship things. And I
didn't even enter my first relationship until I was like
way older than high school. But yeah, I just a
lot of it isn't necessarily coming from my personal experiences.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But things I've seen.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But what is funny is that I was saying, it's
like every song seems to manifest it to happen in
real life.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's quite weird. Actually, Yeah, every song.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Like a little pain in there and then it happened.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Then it happens and then yeah, so it's actually I
should probably be careful with the power of the tongue.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
But yeah, so what happened in there?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, so after high school you had a real relationship, Yeah, okay,
what ended up happening with that?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And is there a particular sign that you wrote about it?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
But but what ended up happened?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well, I just I think my whole issue with with
relationships and stuff like that, and it doesn't even need
to be romantic, can be platonic as well as I
just feel like myself, I feel like I when you
once you're out of school, you realize not everyone has
to get on with everyone, and you can really pick
and choose your friends and who you want to be around.
And when I realized I could be more selective and
I didn't actually need to like have these, you know,
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I could really choose. I remember realizing like so, so,
for example, with a boyfriend, it was like, I don't
actually need to have you as a boyfriend. The title
boyfriend is removable. I could at any point you could
just be my friend.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Again, just remove the boy and it's brand.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And then once I realized the simplicity of being able
to remove the word boy from brand, I was like, cool,
I don't need to be here anymore. And then but no,
I didn't write a song about it. However, songs do
apply to most scenarios.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Like which which a song which are like okay, like do.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
You miss me? What would that apply to?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That one is purely fictition, because that one is about
like someone cheating.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And that's never that's about me cheating.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's about me like being with a man who's got
a golfriend.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I've that's what that song's about.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I've never done clarify definitely needs.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
To clarify that people on Twitter sometimes are like she
seemed pink time, where it seems like a psychopaths.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
She seems like a huge liar in her song, and
I'm like, it's not.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's okay, it's not, it's not all real, so okay,
but yeah, and that happens all the time, and I'm
sure that you've seen that happen.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
To people, so all.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Right, and then she went ice Spice right doing a
collapse together the boys a liar to the remix? How
impactful was it that everybody saw you guys like filming
the video. People were going crazy on social media because
at first they didn't even know what was happening. They
were like, it looks like they're working on something together.
Was that something that you didn't want to get leaked out?
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And you were disappointed when it did, but then realized
that it was amazing that it happened, because I feel
like it was just trending, but maybe it was secret
at first.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's fine.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I oh, I shouldn't even pick up too much on
when it did legal all. I think somebody in my
team was like, oh, yeah, there's a TikTok of you guys,
But I mean I didn't really mind at all. I
was just like, okay, I was like more like I
was like lolls, like it's kind of funny, but uh yeah,
I feel like if anything, it was like obviously it
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was nice to have something to build it up and
like have people prepared for it as opposed to it
is kind of being radio signists and then just that
right bang.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I think that the rollout was really this.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I liked the rollout a lot because it was all organic,
like there was nothing that necessarily I didn't plan it.
The only thing I did on my end for like
that whole rollout was a billboard where I thought we
should have dummies and that was it, and they got
stolen in both cities.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Ways, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's crazy, but expected.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah okay, and I'm mad at that.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So you said that you saw that she follows you
and then you slid in her DMS.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah that's how that got done.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
M m.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and you did the same thing with Willow.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Listen, these dms are working for you, They.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Work for this is, they work for everyone.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The thing is that they don't stap it pink panthers.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They do not work for everybody, because I'm sure there's
a lot of dms sitting here.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
There are on red the people are not responding to.
So that's naturally Okay, very true.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, fine, you're You're not wrong, You're very correct. But
I didn't think they were going to be seen when
I send out a DM, because I don't have a tick.
I don't expect anyone to see them. So it was
a very big surprise on both both events of both
of them responding and seeing it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So yeah, why not have it a check? I don't
know you didn't want one, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I actually, genuinely, I'm not even on some timing of like, oh,
it's pretentious and like I'm better than that. It's not
that it's genuinely on the timing of it makes me
cringe so bad seeing a tick. I don't know, and
I think it's ugly next to the name.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
There you go, I think.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But it also is, like you said, because people might
not even really think it's you.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, but I think that's kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Honestly, I think it's fa I don't This is the thing,
I really I don't like doing things super like how
they're meant to be or linear.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I think it's kind of funny to do random things.
I think that's kind of random.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So now let's talk about your first experience come here.
I think when you did La La Palooza, was that's
your first festival here in the United States?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It might be, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So how tell me about that day and that experience
in Chicago. M hm, that was either no, I wasn't there,
but I saw when you when you did it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That was fun. That was when I had I saw.
I've had a hype man.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I've had like a rotation of hype people on stage
with me just because because I had stage where I
was like, I need someone to help me, like not
make it like awkward. So but I think in turn
it probably made it more awkward having a hype man.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
But yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And I remember that was a surprise for me because
I was so many people there and I was like,
I don't know, I was surprised. I think that American
is in Chicago. I thought like it wasn't going to
be crazy, but it was actually a.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Lot of people and they were good.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I remember they were they were really receptive and I
like that festival a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I really like that one.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
That's a great one for you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
How do you feel, like, what are you doing to
get over stage right?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Because that is something there is a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I feel like as you do things more, you get
more comfortable with it. But is that happening for you
or what are you doing to work on it?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
To work on it is honestly, just have this exposure therapy,
to be honest with you, Just keep doing it and
then you kind of start to like become more familiar
with what you can do with like the extents of
what you can do as an artist and a performer.
But then also I was saying this to someone else
just yesterday, like I decided at some point, I just
decide that I don't actually care because everyone your whole
(13:41):
life will tell you don't care what people think, and
you know what it's like, sometimes you should care what
people think. I'm not even gonna lie to you. But
for some reason, being on stage, I'm kind of just
like I'm here now, like if it's like you can
if I mess up, it's like I've messed up, Like
I just I don't know for some reason, and I
just suddenly clicked to my head.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I don't actually care.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's also part of real life. Like people I think
find that somewhat relatable.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
It's relatable.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
But also I've never put on the front that I'm
Beyonce or like I'm this or I'm this performer. I've
never put that on that front. I think me putting
on that front and trying to be like perfect and
like worry too much about.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It would just be completely false.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think like doing something like going on stage and
having things like sometimes go wrong or like this happens
on a certain day, it's just what happens. And I
think when you're an artist that like like me and
other people who like oh more I guess, as I said,
introverted in terms of stage presences and stuff, it's all
about the music. For me, I've never once claimed to
(14:43):
be like a crazy performer. So when you come to
terms with that makes you realize, yeah, they're just gonna
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Because the reason I asked about the current band earlier,
I was thinking that might help you.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know everything that you did that that you know
you were in there.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Oh, so you know that I was when you were young,
and that mighta made you more comfortable so that when
you're doing your own music.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If anything, I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and
say it probably helped a tiny bit. But like even then,
I was still face to the floor like I was.
Really it wasn't great. But these days it's gotten a
way better.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I think personally, how do you write your music?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I just listened to the beat first, then write the
melody line.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Lyrics come last.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay, so beat theirs melody line and then there and
for you, how important is a collaborative effort? Do you
like to work by yourself or do you like to
be in the room with people?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay, no, it's just me. Honestly, I can't when it
comes to no, I don't like people. I think it's
just me. I don't like no I love people in
the room.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
No, because then as soon as you have all these
people in the room, they take credit for things that
they haven't necessarily done.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I'm like, you needn't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It's like, you know what, it feels like you've been
through a lot that you.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Not even I haven't even been through a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's just like, you know, I feel like I'm just
not what's it called I'm just not like naive. I'm
just very like I realize everything. It's everything is so
clear in front of me. It's like, this is why
I'm honest about where I perform and stuff. I know,
I'm not like gonna sit here and lie and say
that if you invite twenty people in a room, twenty
people are gonna try and say that they wrote the song.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I wrote the song.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Do you feel like there's people now that are trying
that are like, Okay, I'm gonna be the next pink pantherist, already.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Be the next me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh, kind of like saying okay, this is working for her. Oh, like,
so let me chat it.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well, there's so many different angles you could try and
be me, whether it's sonically or like using I mean,
I know there are people that have told me before
like oh I use TikTok to problemise thing now that's
not copying me at all, or that's not trying to
be the next me. But like people where it's like
the music sounds similar, or like some might even sound
completely the same. I mean, I think of it as
(16:50):
a compliment, and I think if I'm worried about someone
being the next to me, it means that I don't
think that I'm doing the best of that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You know, have people ever chat to tell you?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Because now you know you are signed to a label now,
so how have things changed since that? Because you're so
used to before that you're able to give the music
directly to people. So what changes now when you signed
to a label? Is their input are you guys? Are
they giving you ideas of like this should be a single,
we should put this out? Clearly, I don't know if
the Barbie song came from that or how that came about.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Kind of did come from that to be yeah, because
obviously like the film would have contacted the label, and
so it's changed simply just like I always picked the
next song, I don't really something like a label. Yeah
like that obviously there they help a lot with everything.
For example, even this interview. Now it's like that's the
label coming through with that. And that's why I like
(17:42):
being on a label because in terms of marketing stuff,
I don't really market myself in a way which I
think people want me to. Sometimes I kind of just
do it based on what I think is right, and
having a label there is super helpful for that.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
That's one thing I will say.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But when it comes to like the actual music making
or input about sonics and stuff, I don't let anyone
really tell me.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, So when you send your songs over, you wait
till it's done, and then you're like, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Period.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, pretty much you're like, yeah, oh no, but I
will take opinions, but.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Just like I will always take it with a grain
of salt.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Like okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And you're very particular about who you work with too.
It's not like you're just, oh, this is the hat
person right now, let me do a song with them. Yeah,
So who are some people right now that you're like, okay,
bucket list.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Of working with?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Well, I honestly everyone that I've wanted to I've I've done,
Like Cashnado was a long time dream and I did that.
And then even like a Willow that was like I've
been a fan of Willow for a long time, so
that was great, And obviously, like I try and like
Willow as well, because I looked up to her for
a long time and even though she's like my age,
(18:50):
I still was like the fact that she's black and
like that she's like alternative is like, you don't see
that very much, you do, You really don't see it
too much in like mainstream or even adjacent mainstream adjacent music.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So seeing Willow, it was like, okay.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's six And what was it like being with her
like in person? Yeah, great, Yeah, she's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
She's cool.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I really yeah, she's cool and she's really really good
at singing, and that blew me away. Honestly, I knew
she was good from the songs she has, but hearing
it in real life was like, Okay, she doesn't need
any tuning, she doesn't need anything, like, she's an amazing
singer and she plays all the instruments too.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That was another surprise for me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Wow, yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Crazy really really good. But yeah, Colap, who would I.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
If you had a D now, who would it be?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I think my DM. I think my DM tokens are
all out. I don't think I can keep doing it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, I can't. I don't want to be known for this,
like it can't.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I think I'm gonna just give it, Like, let me
give myself two years to just like build those tokens
back up. And I'm like, but even in two years,
I'm hoping that I won't have to even have to
DM anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I'm hoping you would just be like.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Ask someone personally, get their number.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm hoping it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What about your dms? Who's been hitting you?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Check them? And every time there's probably so much good Stephaniere.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Probably and it's kind of funny. Yeah, like I have
missed some, Like I'll like go.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Every month or two and I'll see one.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
And I'll be like, oh my god, I should have
responded to that, and I have to apologize and be
like I just don't go on Instagram and stuff, and they.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Always like, oh yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But like there's been some pretty like I mean, I'm
not gonna say like it's just yeah, there's been someone's
where you or anyone in this room.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Might have been like, yeah, you should have aunced that.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
But you still can and I do, but it's always
late and I always feel bad. But I have a weird.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Anxiety surrounding reading dms for some reason.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I'm like I don't want to read like all of them,
because I feel very obliged to message everyone back, even
if they're.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
A fan or if they're anyone, okay, and that takes
me hours.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
But they also won't see that you read it if
you don't follow them.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, if you don't follow them, you can I think so, right,
they won't see it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's read as.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Soon as you accept the DM request.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh you don't have to accept it though, you can
just look at Yeah, you can just look that's what
I do.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, it kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Kind of, but yeah, I try. I try to make
sure because it's business in those dms too.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh, it's true. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
There's a lot I should I think I might have
to start getting someone from the label to actually do
that for me.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I can't do it myself.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Now, what's an ideal life like for you right now?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Because clearly you love doing your music, and like you said,
you've had stage right, but you've come to the fact
that this is who I am. If I mess up,
it's whatever we keep it going. My fans. No, I'm
not even pretending to be perfect. But for you, if
you could say this is how I want to do
things and where I want to be, what would you
say that is for you right now?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Musically or just Okay, musically and.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
In life, in life, because your life is music too.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I feel like for me, it's it's so it's just
as simple as being able to know that, like I
can drop a song tomorrow or the day after, and
like again I don't care about you know, charting or
this or getting into this like I love but and
again no, it's not showing no, I love it like
I have so much appreciation.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
However, Like I think just being able to know that
I could drop song tomorrow and like the fan base
is there for me to listen to it and show
it love and appreciate it no matter what it is.
Because if I wanted to change genre tomorrow, I hope
that people would still support me and not be like,
why did she switch up on us?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Like that, I don't even know where January this is now, Like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, my music was, oh exactly, so well it's it's
like dance pap.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
It all belongs in the same world though, and that's
the kind of thing that that you can't really recreate.
And that's why I when you asked it about the
next one, I was like, that's why I'm kind of
fine where I am. I feel very sure about myself
because it's such a very specific world that I've tried
to curate and I feel like it succeeded. So that
being said, to have a fan base that realizes that
(23:03):
I'm not like specific to one genre and I can
mix it up, To have a fan base that respect
me and realize what I'm about and defend me and
and stuff like that, and and just living nice, like
I don't need a big house, but like an I
just know house, London, wood gods and like you know,
just being able to like I just think, like, yeah,
(23:23):
I'm happy with my life right now. Honestly, I think
it's great. I think I'm very lucky to be.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
In my position.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I think what I'm describing, I think I'm pretty much
at that there, so I can't ask for much more.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What about putting out a full length album now?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Because the EP has three songs, and we know the
mixtape came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What about an album?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh no, that is on the that yeah, that is
the way.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That is what I'm working on now, and that is
I guess what I was just describing about my ideal life,
like after that's out, and if it gets like well received,
then that's going to be like I'm already on the
way to where I want to be, So that's just
going to like.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Bring me closer to that. I hope that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
How does an album?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
How is an album different than you're putting out music
and singles whenever you feel like you're putting out an EP.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How is it different than a mixtape? How are you
approaching this differently?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Funnily enough, I didn't even.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So I don't put any value in the label's mixtape album.
The only reason I called it a mixtape really was
because I didn't want to call it an album because
I didn't want people to say that was my debut album.
But otherwise, like that could have been an album in
my opinion, because I thought it was quite cohesive and
in soera in space. But I think me bringing out
(24:34):
an album for a lot of people, it's like, Okay,
this is her story, Like this is like a really
this is a concise and cohesive body of work that
we could like now it's been two years, she's built
up her skills, and like now we can hear something
which sounds like two years of development. From where she
began to now. And that's why I waited two years,
(24:55):
because I was like, I want to wait till I'm
developed properly before I actually bring out on an album
which could win awards or could do this, or could chart.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And if it doesn't, then it's equally as fine it does.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A yet very comfortable with yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, I think so, I but you know, I feel like,
as I said, two years, it's been two years of
having to learn to be and having to like travel
to LA, travel to New York, be in the room
with you, be in the room with this person, and
like really and look at other artists sometimes and be like,
I don't like what they're doing. I don't think that
that's what I want to do in and or I
like what this artistory I'm going to try and you know,
(25:27):
graduate from the school of this artist and like kind
of and that's how I kind of found myself here.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I know early on you didn't really like to do
interviews like on camera, and.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I didn't really, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
How did you manage to move past that? And what
was it about that that you didn't like?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Well, A big part of it was I just didn't
like how I looked on camera, and that's why I
didn't want to do it, because I was like, I
don't want to look at it back and think, oh
my god, I look horrible. But now I think again,
it's all about development. I think now I can look
at myself and I feel happy with that. And I
think that once that happened and I started feeling happy
with that, I was like, okay, because I know I
(26:04):
can talk about music and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I know I can.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I'm very concise about what I share, and like I
can talk about what I want to share. I know
that no one basically can pressed me into says and
I don't want to say so. Once I figured out
that I was happy with how everything looked and like
how like dressed and stuff, I was like, Okay, now
I feel like I'm comfortable enough to talk and stuff
and be seen by people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And yeah, yeah, no, people need to see this.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah I need to see you sometimes, though not all
the time. You know, you gotta see it out like accordingly.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But yeah, how much of the album is done?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Oh well depends, like I guess what day you ask me,
But like I'd say like sixty percent, no, fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's go fifty.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay, so maybe this is coming kind of soon, maybe
I think so hopefully. Well, Pink Panther there is, thank
you so much and congratulations on everything, because honestly, like
very super talented.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And I like the fact that it's all organic.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You are who you are, unapologetically, and I think it's
so you're not like out here trying your hardest to
be in the spotlight, coming up with fake storylines and none.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
No, not yet anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Not Yeah. Okay, well no I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I'm joking. Thank you. I appreciate you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
It's way up at Angela. Ye, Pink Pantherests, well,
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