September 28, 2023 • 41 mins
Tony! Toni! Toné! Opens Up On The True Meaning Behind 'Lay Your Head'
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up with Angela Yee? I'm Angela Ye. Jasmine from
the Jasmine brand dot Com is here. Yes, and look
one of my favorite groups of all time is here.
Tony Tony Tony in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yes, thank you well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
No, thank you guys for coming. Honestly, Like when my
friend Teresa, who is your publicist, hit me up, I
was like, please can I get them in person when
you guys come into town. So I'm really honored to
have y'all here for real.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I always wanted to say your name like Angela Yee.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Show.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I always try to always try to like say the opening, Okay,
I try to like kind of just say but Angela.
The thing was the one, the last one I had
to like because that's when they said the longest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Ye love that right, Yeah, that's like you said.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And I got my Yee hoodies from mister fab too.
And I've been to History. Yeah, I had a good time.
And y'all when when I was in Oakland, we did
my podcast live and we actually went there, and let
me tell you, you guys are wild in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a different today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, It's true.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Wild were definitely off the grid, but we.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Definitely from there. We definitely like hood Raise and East
from the Deep East, you know, and we loved it.
But damn you guys, you have some hoodies made.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There well, no, actually missed. The fab has a store
and the hoodies say ye because it's just a regular phrase.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Yeah, it's a regular phrase dope.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But is a phrase hot?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Can you use it in a sense?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's just like ye, yeah, when he drinks his coffee this.
But look, it's interesting because y'all are so sweet too,
and that's the way I look at it. And I
know you guys have collaborated and worked with you know,
too Short Tupac everything, but just your music in particular,
it's just very like I remember, first of all, it
(02:03):
feels good. That song always reminds me of when I
first moved to Jersey. It was my first day of
school in a brand new school. I didn't know anybody,
and the teachers were on strike, so we had to
sit in one room the whole day. And the girl
that I met in that room, the first person, Jammel,
who's one of my best friends to this day. She
was like, there was nothing to do because the teachers
were on strike. She gave me her one headphone and
(02:24):
she was like, you want to listen to Tony Tony
Tony with me? And we sat there. It was like
a cassette tape and we were listening to the Tony
Tony Tony album together. That's always why that song reminds
me of the first day that I moved to New Jersey.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
That's interesting that your songs have remind people of certain moments.
You all created these songs. Does that song, when do
you think of that song? What does that song remind
you of?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It feels good, it feels good? What is that? What
does that song remind you? Guys?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think I think it's just just I think it
was figuring out, figuring out our way to like making
a record, a hit record. It was I think it
was the second album?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Was it second?
Speaker 7 (03:01):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think the first album we didn't produce it to
get We produced it with Danny and Tony, which is
our best friends to this day. They ad to our boys.
The second album was on us, So I think we
were just just going through it, like what what could
be a single? We got a deal and we gotta
make this. This has to be a big deal. Whatever
this record is. So I don't think we had I
had time to enjoy any of it, any of it.
(03:22):
I think I just was like, oh, we just can't
be whack on the second. I think that's that's all
I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Really, we're trying to make some numbers.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, we're trying to we're trying to get out here
again on this tour. But when it came out and
people start, you know, I feel that one kind of
slid by. I think later on we started doing like
it never rains and whatever you want. I think that's
when we started falling into like.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Your groove, right, what are you gonna say? Yeah? And
I think people also always think they have to do
a fastest song first, right, because they always say, like
for radio, when you know with the BPM's, like fastest
songs play more on the radio than slower songs.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Not what I did do for Ready, it was I
heard like, you make the intro long so they can.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Talk into the song.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Were talking to the song. So that's why I made
the record long in the beginning, so DJs could talk
into the record talking to.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Who gave us that game? That was Denny from Foster
mckil roy. I remember him saying and get some space
in the intro so they can talk. So we learned
a lot on the first album. The second album is
the one we wrote and produced, and we didn't really
know how to write. We were just having fun, so
everything came together organic.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh yeah, you know, thirty seven years we're still here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Doing something right now. Listen, But you guys, this is
the first time you've been on tour in twenty five
years as Tony Tony Tony the original members of the group. Yes,
so you know, and this has been a long time
coming because I feel like you guys have discussed it now. Listen.
Raphaelsa Dick when you came on the Breakfast Club people
you know, and I want to hear what your guys
(04:56):
reaction was to that interview when he first did it
on the Breakfast Club because there were some feathers rough
what what did what did you say?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, it wasn't it wasn't ruffled from their side. I
just kind of like, I know, you guys are gonna
ask me something controversial anyway, You're gonna let me get
away without saying something dirty. So I was like, but
they asked me about who was the guy was singing,
and as the time, I just didn't like, I really
felt like I should.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Be saying his name said nobody.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I say, no, no, no, no, they came out of
came out of what.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He asked me.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Was he asked me? He said like, how do they
tour without you? And who is this guy? And I
should have answered that a little different. But what I
meant by nobody not was he was not a nobody
as a person. I meant that he was a nobody
like in this group because he wasn't a part of
any of the writing songs. He didn't he didn't do
anything I was as a man. I wasn't saying he
(05:50):
wasn't nobody. What kind of came out wrong with this policy?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah? But no, no, no no, But I mean what
I said he was. He was like, okay, let me
get back on my ship. He was nobody in this group.
He didn't play, he can't write, he didn't play guitar,
he don't play no instrument.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
In the group.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Episode to be back on my shit, it wasn't nobody
to this group. I'm somebody this group. You know what
I mean? He's somebody, he's somebody to this group. And
that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
We started out just not even as a group. It's
just family did as us chairman at the house in
the room and didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Have nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
We couldn't afford to uh pay it for a spaghetti
dinner down the street back in the days when we
started doing this, So it was all about passion and
us learning each other.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And we never were like real singers.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
We played behind some of the dopest singers, the Hawkins family, Tremaine.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Hawkins being out with she Le and Prince and this,
that and the other.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So we we got a chance to take what we
grew up learning in Oakland and see how to kind
of like take it to the next level. Once we
got back off the road with those people, we just
moved forward with Tony Tony and then the band situation,
all the other people that work with us. It's something
that my brother put together because in my mind it
was like we going three the hard way. It's like
(07:07):
him on bassed meal guitar and him on drum.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's a rap.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
We like the Black Police for seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, we was trying to get it in.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And it is a family affair. How was it when
you guys, you know went your separate way is still
working on separate things. But like a family, you know
how family can talk and so it's a lot of
godsip and family like, oh yeah, he got an issue.
You know, you need to talk to him. How was
that for you guys? Was it always like friendly? You know,
there's times I haven't talked to my brother for like
a year at a time. But what was it like
(07:36):
for you guys?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I know, I think he was. Everybody was doing their
own thing. We've seen each other. Was always love, but
we're all so busy doing different things and having fun
at the same time. It wasn't like we had any
like bickering, okaying like that and family. Our family is
so cool. They're like, whatever they're doing, we're gonna stay
out of it. And whatever they're doing, you know, we
see him when they come home as peace. So that's
(07:58):
how it was pretty much.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, let's big family, so you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I bet I know you guys got nephews, and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We got sisters that fight, like you know, they pull
out twenty twos on each other. I mean, we ain't
never put those twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Two That's good.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's so fun and love each other.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We got so we got so we got I mean
they're like really nice people.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Situation.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, we got some real gangs in our family.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now, Timothy, let's let's talk about everybody's Timothy, tim Let's
talk about everybody's individual adventures. You know, during the past
twenty five years of Tony Tony Tony, the original members
not being together, what were you up to?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I did some production and some a couple of little
scoring things.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
M h.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And raising my family.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That's important.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
An amazing job.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Hell yeah, dude, I'll see your name. You really did that, man,
all of the college, all doing the thing and focused.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
So proudigent my model.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And how do they feel about you being on the
road now because they didn't really grow up.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
It's weird because I see everybody now, like I get
these calls and like this past week, I'm getting hit
every day. So how's it Going's this? How's the shows?
I'm like, it's cool. It's cool because for me, it's
just it's back in the day, you know how it was,
so you know, now it's it's kind of like surreal
(09:26):
because it's been like so long. So I'm seeing us
on stage and I see like a lot of growth
in this man.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right here, okay, on.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
The stage, and how it's like wound them out there,
you know, a whole lot of screams and yells, and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But you know your kids have never seen us all together. Yeah,
they've never seen us all together on stage.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So that's that's what's a cold trip.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, you know, so they've been to the show already
or not yet.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Coming the rehearsal.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
They came to one rehearsal, which show they gonna come to?
Which one?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
They're saying, like multiple shows?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay they had all Right, Now I'm Doane. I have
a message for you, but let's talk about what you've
been well her, because I know you worked with her.
She actually sent me a message. She said, tell him
I miss him and appreciate him for teaming up with
my dad and forming my first band and low key
him and my dad were my first managers slash agents.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Do something boy. She gave me a manager name.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's something I was crazy as hell. I have to say,
I'm so thankful because every artist that I've had the
opportunity to what they may say, groom or whatever else,
I always felt like they were grooming me as a man.
You know what I mean, Because I took when I
first signed Destiny Show, I took that. It's like it
was thirteen to fourteen and my daughter was like eight
(10:41):
nine and stuff, and I learned how to deal with
her and certain things and stuff. And then when I
got to working with her and then Sindana and Kaylani
and all that be and my sons Dylan and Jaden
producing music. You know, I was just trying to keep
my kids around the right energy and all this sudden
they became this supergroup before my eyes, and I was
exposing them.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So if I go meet with Santana, I take me.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I want you guys see how things work out, how
it really works out on Alicia Keys. You see behind
the scenes stuff. So her now, I mean my role models.
I look at them and they keeping me focused.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
That's dope.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
She's doing. Like I always say, hey, follow your passion.
You'll never work a day in your life, and that
it's all about performing live.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And when I see her working, I was like, That's
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, because Destiny's Child had to be a crash course
in working with you know, cause they were, like you said,
thirteen and fourteen years old, whole.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Nother type of deal.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I've done deals with majors since you know, Sylvia Romans
first one that gave me a chance to produce some
artists from Atlanta. A X time gave me my first
production deal with Kenya Groove and all that. So I
learned how to do deals. But when it came down
to sign in a group under eighteen, it's a whole
nother business.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Jesus, I can't even imagine what that's like.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Do you already know when you work on Destiny's Child,
did you know that there were going to be these
megastars that they were dope?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know they were dope?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
First of all, I thought, you know, we were in
a time when you know, artists you could sing, But
it really was it was about a look and image
and stuff. I think it was no disrespect on It
was in Paula abdude days.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know what I'm saying, You have to be.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A perform lived look at the whole bit. But I
knew it like these girls could sing as I hope
it works because sometimes you can see.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Too good right, and sometimes it might not work for
business reasons. It's not even just talent, you know, talent
is and everything. It's the foundation, but the.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Work ethics, the focus and being solid with your you know,
the trust in each other.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Now, Rafael, we know you've been working in television and film. Yeah,
I mean you've been doing it like Lucy Pearl came out.
You know during that time, you put out your solo
projects too, and you guys have worked on solo projects
as well. So tell us about that period of twenty
five years of not being with the band.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Was like, it was dope, No, we've been out here. No,
because we've been out here, like on my road, just
like saying it crazy and stuff kind of get all
like that's how crazy we are, like stage yeah, same thing,
(13:15):
like we just like crazy, super super goofy. But it
was cool. It was like I said, I was good
on my own, but I was I'm I'm always better
with him. Anything I did on my own, it was
it was good, like it was good, it worked, but
I always knew like this is this is the power,
this is where I feel most comfortable. It gave me.
(13:36):
I never would have been a singer, like you said,
me and him didn't sing. He'll tell anybody he know
I hated singing. I don't have nothing to do with
it crazy. You didn't like I was a bass player.
I was hide behind it. I was hiding behind the base.
It was cool. I didn't want to be the person
that to be in the crowdgo how's everybody doing. I
was so intimidated about all of that, you know, So
when we were in dance we would hire a person.
(13:59):
I would say. When I was of the band, I
would say, we gotta find a clown. I called it
the least a clown.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Oh my gosh, because.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That's what I should say all the time. I'm like,
we need to find a clown.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
You are a character.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But that's what I meant, because they.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Could, like the supposed to be compliments.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Compliment ye to him?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You called to him?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
If you called somebody a clown, doesn't it I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because they could like just a lot of things you
have to do, Yeah, to be that entertains. Why say
that you called a clown?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like we be jamming stuff and he comes watch us
for her to do something?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He's like, or we do something with another way to
show with Roger Troutman and my father performed. He was
after the show, he looked at us and y'all ain't
clowned enough.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, wow, Okay, now I understand.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Got it from right.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So you're not performing, giving enough energy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's going to be very interactive with the audience where
they feel like.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm not calling you a clown, right, saying you can
regulate this whole thing. Every day you got in the morning,
know that you got to carry this tape.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You got the clown every day, and you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's a good crash course for you guys early on.
So what were those early shows like before y'all?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Were we we played? We opened up for Ready for
the World, Bobby Brown, those are huge Roger Trouton. That
was we opened up for Roger a couple of times,
and we didn't have a record deal or nothing. We
were just playing the clubs. And but Dwayne had a
band before he was in our band. Okay, Tim, He
(15:33):
was in a band called Alpha Omega. That was amazing.
It sounds like earth when it fired the commodoors and
they had like this where the rehearsed at it said
close rehearsal, you couldn't get in. But since I was
his brother, right, my father picked me up and take
me and I'm knocking the door. They let me in
and I just I should love walking in there and
closing the door and watching people standing outside and couldn't
come in, Like this is so cool because I'm hearing
(15:59):
the whole band right in front of me. But now,
but that's what I do. I try to have close
rehearsals because that's why they were good, right, because they
were focused because they say on the door set closed,
nobody could come in, but people were just standing out
in the hood, just standing there, watching them listening from
the outside.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
In Oakland.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
For me growing up, you know, seventies, I got a
chance to see slid Stone, you know what.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean, like see him.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I remember, you know when I used to work for D'Angelo,
that's who he really used to channel, was sliding the
Family Stone. He used to watch those videos to think
about his own performances.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, for sure, this dude.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, we lived across the street from the Firmary
Park and that's where the Panthers used to do their
rallies and stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You know sl Stones group would be over there playing.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I was like seven, eighties old whatever, so I've seen
these type of things, see them walking around with the boots,
which is probably why White these boots to this day,
it's just like, you know, that's my my nikes, you
know what I'm saying. So seeing it in Larry Graham
and then you see the you see the Whispers, all
these type of groups, you know, it was a wealth
of you know, I learned how I play guitar on
the streets learning. The first thing I learned was the
(17:09):
guitar of Hey Joe by Jimi.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hendrix Well and that you guys do definitely channel a
lot of that. What songs do you think, because there's
one song that I love from you guys that I
feel like doesn't get enough attention. But what songs do
you think from Tony Tony? Tony should have been like
you know that especial to your heart, but weren't like
big singles.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I can't keep it to myself, but I think it's
a great B side. People know it the shows, you know,
it feels like a single. I feel like if you
can make an album and the b sides are like singles,
then you did a job. I think when you make
an album, everything shouldn't be made to be a single.
It should just be you know, good and trust the
(17:48):
ear of the fans.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
They trust them right, you know what I mean, take
the whole thing in because thinking of you. I always
have loved that song, like I'm always that's like one
of my favorite Tony Tony. So my favorite Tony Tony
Tony song though it's just me and you, okay here
it is, that will always be my favorite. I've said
that forever. I remember I had did like when I
worked as serious. I put together this like mixtape for
(18:11):
Valentine's Day and everybody, you know, everybody gave their favorite
song and I hit up like all these other artists,
like I remember Nicki Minaj sent one, Little Duvall sent one,
but mine was just me and you because I feel
like that is like the perfect romantic song, you know
for love?
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yes, is there is there a song that you were
surprised that you didn't think it was gonna be as
big that's like huge now or it was huge then
it was good?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You didn't think that was gonna be as big.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, I mean that I went through, just went through
a lot of I know, it felt good, no fun
intended the way it came about. It wasn't like we
went in there to write the song great actionally from
here now he was irritated.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
About how I used to bring a lot of people
to the studio.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But that made me feel comfortable because I gravitate towards
the energy and stuff. But the way he came up
with the hook was just off the fly, and the
beat itself went from one thing to the next.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Started out on with a t R or something.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Kind of walked into the studio with like maybe fifteen people.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's a lot and it feels like a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Definitely got a close rehearsal, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Close all that close thing do you have. When his
younger went out the window, he came in and I
was like, they all had balloons and we were in Salcelyo.
Second album, so fresh, probably a fresh new deal. So
it's people from my neighborhood. Some of them are just
lived in the bay. I didn't know all of them.
But when they walked in, I was already in the
booth and the music was playing, and I was like, man,
(19:36):
I wish they would probably be another room. But I
couldn't say can you kick him out? Because then the
word was spread out he lost and he think he
is he thinking that? So I just looked and I
was like I started thinking it feels good because they
looked was having a party.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh see, I love when organic things like that happened.
I remember when I'm Not Rogers talks about how he
made how he made freak Out. They couldn't get it
Studio fifty four, and the song was really called funk
off because they went and they couldn't get in and
they had like a jam session afterward.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Off.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, and then I liked that freak Out.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I have a question because Angela thinks that the song
means something else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Listen I to everybody that you may or may not be.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
So my favorite song is lay your Head on My pillow.
Like I don't know the song anyway, and she says
that it means something sexual, really lay your head and like.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Just for a man.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I said, it means for him to perform.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And that's what the best means. That's what she told me,
and so I said, oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That, but it sounds good. Lay ahead on my pillow
and just relaxed.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Is that you were false?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's against.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You're mumbling. We want to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's a thing that happened.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Remember, okay, I remember I was talking about when you
put the lyric.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Just relax, yes, and I'll say it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I don't know about saying that you said, but that's
what you were saying when.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, okay, So anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The song came about I can't there's no short way
of saying it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
First of all, the keyboard on there is.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
The wordlers cern, which right now has been like a
brand that the Tony's brought back to the table, which
ended up being with I would think it's part of
the whole thing that makes it kneel soul, so to speak,
because that's something that we do.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
On anniversary pillow a whole lot of these songs. That
was our little weapon we bring out. But anyway, so
we were writing a song.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I mean when I brought the worldss off to his path,
it's like, man, you gotta put this keyboard on it
and such.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Everything you do, especially with the twelve hundred rum machine
is dope.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And you was laying the melody down there, and I
was playing guitar, and I started saying.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Lay your head on my pillow whatever. I kept doing
that and then we're ready with and just real last,
really last. Now we gotta put some more just relaxes,
like no, that's what you were saying, I was watch
you eat.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's like see it is oh I remember that was
Terry first.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Is one his first ye.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Ca okay, So so Angela is right.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So it is about that pretty much. Thank you. See
h do not tell me.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That no, no, no. If you have went to the
park that says like, just relax your the girl that
knows my treasure, go down and find my plas see whatever. Yeah,
let me see where my prol is at that.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
See.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So it is about that.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
How you is that? How you realize what it was about.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You're not just trying to come out and say girls,
let me get it in and all nobody.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeahs in between the sheets.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You have brother When you have brothers in the house
and the house is small, you can't help but walk by.
When you're young and you hear something, you just stop.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Do like it was a lot of doing.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
He had a band before that.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Dwayne had a van.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Had a van with a bed in it in.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
The tenth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It was a make sure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It wasn't like it's a concept air mattress.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It was. It was a really nice van. It wasn't
like some tacky man. It was really nice everybody knew it.
So we have different We have different mothers, and my
mother's a super like sisters. Right. So I lived maybe
fifteen blocks from doing right, but I was always at
their house all the time, more than I was in mind.
(23:41):
But the guys in my neighborhood, when I will come
on there, Bro, your brother man. We was at a
club last night and Bro just drove up and took
all the girls off in his van.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh my god, this is always happening.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Heart beats.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It is really definitely the movie.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Then we grew up and had a record deal. Didn
Dwayne start having these like you know, uh, the vans
at the hotels have the ones the party man. So
then he will pull up to a pub and take
everybody from Oakland to San Francisco, all the girls, and
I will wake up if people call me like, Bro,
come on, your brother did it again? He took all
the baddest chicks out of the club.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Karaoke bus, carry the wireless mike. You get on there
and you can pull up and it just turned into
the party.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I didn't see. I just heard about it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He was young. I want young, I'm playing. I'm trying
to help.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
You give sneaky.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I'm sneaky.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He gives that call me secret squirrel.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh man, Well, how is it feeling now? You guys
just kicked off this new tour?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So the first show was where Charlotte. It was in Charlotte.
So what was that like?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Nuts, It's pretty amazing the reception. The crowd was really
into it. We was. We was kind of surprised how
we have it set up, you know what I mean?
It was like really like we really tried hard to
come out and get people a great show. And it's
a lot of a lot of couples are coming out,
a lot of fans, a lot of day ones are
coming out, and I feel I could tell the energy
(25:19):
between us is really good and we could see what
we made and we could feel it from people and
it's a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And you have a new album that you guys are
working on, which makes complete sense, right, is it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Really gonna come out?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's gonna come out?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, do you have?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We just we didn't have time to finish an album
and do the tour. You know, that's the marketing thing.
You do an album and then you come out and
do the tour. But we want to make great albums,
so we don't want to rush it for a tour.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
How much of it is done so far?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I mean it's it's really still raws a lot of
different ideas. All of us have ideas, but it's like
that's how we work. We put the ideas together and
we like put it together, form it. But this has
help because now we're motivated from a tour and we
get to see see fans, see people cheer. It always
if you go on the tour, makeing album albums all better?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay? And how is it when you guys because clearly,
like there's three of you, so there's decisions to be
made and you guys may not always agree, right, So
how is it when it's like one person likes something
the other person doesn't, or somebody wants to add something
and creatively, I'm sure that's not easy when you're like, no,
I like how this sounds the way I did it?
How does that work?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
That's the easiest part because we all know each other's personality, okay,
And you know I may say somewhat and I may
think it's cool, and then they'll say no, it should
be something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, cool, because I know he knows what the key is.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But when this dude starts putting hands on the keyboard,
everything just.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Like whatever we complish pretty well.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You know, we don't step on each other's toes at all,
especially in the creative. For me on stage, it's not
even like we're performing with speaking with our instruments. I
don't even have to look over there anything I can hear,
I can tell where he's moving.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
What about a live album? Would you do that too?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I thought about you know what I thought about this tour.
We might put one of these records out live shows.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Because it's like, that's an Earth went and fire? I
love what was that devotion?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, the Gratitude album Gratitude. Yeah, when we get together
to make music, our ideas are kind of our ideas
and everybody else's ideas, right, So if we have an idea,
we could say, remember how Maurice Whitenen did this on Gratitude,
or the Commodore did this, or the Mama's in the
Populace did this. We should try that. And nobody's gonna
say no to those legends, right if it came from
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them and it's passing down to us, and that's how
we make records. All our records have been made from
all the inspirations that we had listening to Ohio Players
and hip hop and you know everything we're trying to.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes, that's what that That song that I thinking of
you sounds like Al Green, and I loved Al Green
and you love that song too, Yeah, I do. I
do for some I mean our Greens. I'm Still in
Love with You album is one of my favorite albums.
I'm from Brooklyn, from and Green like that. My parents
we had a lot of vinyl in the house growing up,
so I would sit downstairs and you know, working with
(27:59):
Sheilay like I used to love Shelley. I used to
listen to her album all the time too, And so
that's why I think with Tony Tony Tony, just the
sound of you guys, and that is like very nostalgic
for me. So that's why I'm excited, you know. And
like I said, I wanted to make sure I got
you guys all up here together.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That's a little bit I talk about on the show.
Talk about Al Green in the show.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And he has a fascinating story too. What I love
and the way you talk in the beginning of that too.
But what I love about Al Green and all those
stories and back in the day is that we didn't
have social media. You only hear like the rumors of
what happened, and everybody used to call him al Gris Green. Yeah,
and so I just feel like, you know, those periods
of time when people used to talk on records and
then we would hear about the crazy things that used
(28:40):
to happen, especially with women. For some reason back then,
it was just like a woman here, a woman here.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You know, I was putting us through it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, you know, I like the the Ohio Players album comes,
you know, the one that Hunt the album Honey, remember
that that she died when they put the honey on her?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You can.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
She's like, okay, well, no, I am super excited for
this and for you, Rafael, You've got a chance to
do cuff it. And that was supposed to be a
Tony Tony Tony song.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well it was gonna be a Tony song, but I
told my friend Damien Damien Smith thought this is gonna
be a Tony song. But I think it could work
great for me because she has a billion eyeballs on her.
She's the hardest worker and the show bitch, she has
dream as a writer. You know, dream got on and
(29:37):
now Rogers got on it and it became a whole
different thing. You know. But the horns? Is that that
that that you know? It was uh, something I put together,
but thinking about us getting together, but we got a
lot more. You know, you gotta be able to give
it away?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is that hard though? When you're like, this is great
for us, but it is.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Lady, that's a beautif what song is that?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That was something that you get laid out? Yeah, and
all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You were like, hold up, yeah, we've been beefing about
that one.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
But you know, when you work with people, I like
working artists that you know that they're gonna take what
you did and take it to the next level. And
that's what That's what b did and that's what d did.
You know. So if you can work with an artist,
you know, like got Aretha Franklin, if you sing, you're
not gonna say if you sing a song and then
I sing it in Arita singer, yeah, go a different world.
So if somebody, if it wasn't a beyond it, I
(30:31):
was probably like, nah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
How much song does Tony Tony Tony have that has
never come out, Like you know how a lot of
times people have recorded so many records that we haven't
heard yet. But how much catalog do you guys have
that we haven't heard.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Yeah, we can put an album like.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Two or three albums from the ball. But when they
say the vault, we always meant my friend of mine.
We laugh about the vault. When things are in the vault.
The mean is if they don't come out because they're
not really that good, you know what I mean, everything
you do is not great.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They just tell me that, you know, but but you
feel like those are songs that are great enough.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We got some hitters well.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And we gotta share your love with me. I think
that's one.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's one that fole man.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
That's but it have to be and it will need
some work.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now they have that orchestra on. Yeah, excited, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Rute it up.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's the one that got got you think about that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Oh that's old.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Then it's like an old other colde. And sometimes you
have good clothes in the close you want to give
away and it maybe like just twenty twenty three, would
you really wear that right now? Okay, it's kind of
like that vibe if you can still wear it. We
have some stuff we can still wear that.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I feel like you guys have all your songs that
I know of, have been timeless. I don't think that
any of the songs that you've put out are songs
that you're like, oh, this is dated or it doesn't
feel like it. Coulrrect today been very blessed, very blessed.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
There's songs and tunes.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And you just said that even though you say it
was the time and period when we were forrgeous, So
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, we in the moment.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And that's what's cool about songs because it could be
now or it could be twenty years from now.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's a song. And if it's a good song, it's
a good song.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
And so I never always looked at the music like
it's just a score of our lives, right, were just learning,
We didn't know it right.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What about the business side of things for Tony, Tony Tony,
have y'all always been able because I know a lot
of artists talk about getting their first deal and how
things weren't maybe right with the paperwork. You know, how
has that been for you guys? Business wise?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's the great learning.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That's his best answer.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Man, we have six thousands wait, first deal.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, our first deal. We got six thousand dollars each.
Now is that a bad deal?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
We feel like it feels like it a bad deal.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Nos, like it feels bad because yeah, budget with the budget.
But the point is we didn't go into the studio
thinking about money. We went in there just want We
just wanted to get on stage and kill We didn't
even think. We just wanted to get on stage and
tax the mass.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Say this. We we had a huge opportunity to sign
to Wing Records, which was ed ex Stein, Billy x
Stein's son. He gave us a lot of freedom. You know,
me and him never we always didn't see I to
eye as I was growing up and trying to figure
out things. But always say he he he left it
open for us. You know, he didn't. He didn't, he didn't,
He didn't bother us. He let us make the music
(33:27):
that we thought we could make. He gave us the
opportunity and a budget to go somewhere on the second
album and say just go do what you do. And
that's that's why we hear today because because of ed.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Okay, so it was like a promo album basically that
you in a way because you were able to.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Definitely, wasn't that Yeah, because you're able.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
To still move on quick, to move on and like
and to figure out what did you learn in school,
the instruments that you played, what did you learn from
the teachers in high school?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
And the bands and everybody. You were able to put
it together and then come back and and people who
just older than us are teachers or bands that can
look back like, Okay, that's that's pretty good because in
my in my mind, I only wanted people like if
I ran in them or Reswide or the al Green.
You know, I don't think we did it better than
those guys, but I at least want them to see
(34:12):
me and acknowledge me and go, Okay, I see you're
trying to go to meet out huge, right, I mean
that's like huge to me.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Right. So for this new project, are you guys gonna
put it out independently or do you want to sign
to a label?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't. I don't think. Well, uh, it's not gonna be.
It's gonna be some type of independent deal, some type
of equity deal, it's not gonna be like we're not
giving not giving anybody no.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like a hybrid deal.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
One Foot Out were definitely keeping control because we are
our group that's been owning our trademark from the beginning,
and we didn't believe in creating something and walking away
from it so someone else can take it to the
next level and it just loses its original you know concept.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, like rock and roll started this way.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Now it's it's like one thing I vout to make
sure it never happens. It's Tony and Tony sound. And
I feel when solo and we were doing other things,
I started bringing other people through the lens of Tony
Tony because we have to uphold our catalog.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And what we're about.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
We're blues on blues from the streets to Wokland and
hip hop and everything is just affusion into our music.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Is there.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Do you guys feel pressure yet too, you know with
the new the new project, because you guys have no.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm feel any pressure. I think the most pressure you
felt is when you have to go for me I
speak for myself, when you have to sing it and
then deliver it. So that's a little pressure there. But
you know, I feel like in the end, well, well
we can put up together. But you look at people
like speak to my independence, like I'll work with Brent
(35:45):
Fire as.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Oh my god, she is killing it. Brandfire is amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah. So and I was introduced to him by some
friends of mine.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And did you say it like that?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
He's like he wanted to think about it first. He
didn't want to blurt it out.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Continue, No, No, I just think it so so many,
so many people the new generation are all independent any way, right,
It's it's an old idea to be like we were.
Kids are like a lots smarter. They may they in
some people's eyes. They may not be making music that
some people like, but not Brenton. Not speaking about Brent,
(36:24):
but other people. Most the new generation is all independent. Really,
that's what it is, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So okay, all right, well listen, guys, I am so
excited because you know, I'm coming to the show. And
so for everybody, where can they find out information on
how they can get tickets to come see Tony Tony
Tony in the citty near them? Where do they go?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You can go to Tony Tony Official.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, I never know, like I can never remember which
to which it's why the why then the then I.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And why google it flash, oh my god, clash slash. Okay,
you can go to Raphael and just course and you
can see it too.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
All right, well, thank you guys so much. This was
amazing for me and I'm looking forward to like.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
We want to congratulate you. Oh, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I appreciate that you like my coffee.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Coffee, I mean I had, but I mean, this is
you doing it. I like that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, I'm my way up logo. I wanted it to
be a little blinged out. So all right, well y'all
make sure you guys go to this show. I'm gonna
be there on Saturday in New York. I cannot wait
for it. And thank you so much. This has been
You know, I always talk about how certain people in
my business like I can't believe I have a chance
to meet people. But Tony, Tony, Tony, this is really
exciting for me. You don't know. Oh, last thing I
wanted to make sure I asked who made the call
(37:50):
to get back together? How did that even happen to
say let's do this.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
He didn't even make the call, He just made the call.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
He threw out a billboard and we tell pictures back
in the day, well not back in the day, back
you know, some months back at this studio and we
talked as we always do and jammed a little bit.
And I'm out in Atlanta on this ranch and he's
somewhere whatever, and I get a call from someone. It
takes me a picture and I thought they super opposed
the picture with us.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Oh that's pretty cool. That least cool. I know it's
a billboard.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I was like, the.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Three of us a picture together.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Photo session. I was talking to my boy Kirby from
Piarra Mars and Garby's like, I just need to make this.
I need to make this feel a certain way, and
we put together photo session. I was like, you know,
let's let's put up a billboard in Oakland where we
started and just buy the Grand Lake Theater. It's huge,
and just put it up. And they were walking down
the street and they will see it. People would start
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putting it, they start trending. He's like, did you put
a billboard up? I'm like, no, I'm talking about to them.
That's how they knew it was real. But I always
knew it was real, right, we're gonna do it. But
I think they didn't think it was real until they
saw this billboard up right.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Okay, yeah, you really doing? You're ready because we knew that.
You know, he had a big business.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Schedule, all that scoring and stuff and all that, so
we knew when he ready, we're ready.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So when he did that, I was like, he's ready,
you ain't playing, Let's get it, let's go.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Was there any hesitation to him on your apart? Okay,
not at all? And what was so you put that up?
But you guys had been in some preliminary conversations. They
just didn't quite believe you.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Right, And I was like you said before, yeah, let
me know, I just went back to the runs.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm chilling here fishing.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
He thought it was he thought it was a digital board,
you know, he thought somebody super imposed.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, but yeah I did. I was like, you know,
let's do it. This like this is my father passed
away five years ago, our dad, And I was like,
he would have wanted to see this, you know what
I mean. And then, like I said, the great nieces
and nephews they don't know why who the hell we are?
They're like why?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Why? Why?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
People stop you and say hello to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
They know me.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Did y'all dad have a favorite song?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:06):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Rock?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Skate, no Jamaica funk, not ours, Oh.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Talk about that's what it is, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
But did he have a favorite song from Tony Tony
to Yeah, but we put him on a song, okay, yeah, movie.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Just like my papa lyrics, Jason's lyrics, lyrics. I think
his favorite song was Leaving.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Though, I'm sure that's something like that, was Leaving.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He used to singing to people in the hospitals. My
dad should go by and sing to people at the
hospitals when he was sick.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That's so dope, when he was supposed to be retired.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love that. And you guys have family, like now
you have a nephew that's in the business too, is
a producer, Dylan Dylan, that's your sons. That's your son.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And Jadens well've been doing some movies.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
He's killing, he's producing. They both producing. I'm in La
with them a lot, okay, and they're like pretty much.
I mean, it's just stays crowded. Dude, gotta got a
place out here. He got a place. She just bought
a house in l at just like killing it and
staying focused. You know, it's not easy to stay focused
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in l A, right, you know what I mean. I
love to see how Dylan and Jay and both of
them are just like I'm. They're doing nothing, they don't
say anything. They're real humble and laid back.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And he's talking about what's the movie something?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Tyrone when I said, what said all the base things
in but I said, that's you like that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Call and tell me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
All right, well it's lining the family would say it's
a family affair, all right, Well, Tony, Tony, Tony, thank
you so much again. I kept on extending it. Sorry,
all right up at the
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Way
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yes, thank you well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
No, thank you guys for coming. Honestly, Like when my
friend Teresa, who is your publicist, hit me up, I
was like, please can I get them in person when
you guys come into town. So I'm really honored to
have y'all here for real.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I always wanted to say your name like Angela Yee.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Show.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I always try to always try to like say the opening, Okay,
I try to like kind of just say but Angela.
The thing was the one, the last one I had
to like because that's when they said the longest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Ye love that right, Yeah, that's like you said.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
And I got my Yee hoodies from mister fab too.
And I've been to History. Yeah, I had a good time.
And y'all when when I was in Oakland, we did
my podcast live and we actually went there, and let
me tell you, you guys are wild in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's a different today.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, It's true.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Wild were definitely off the grid, but we.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Definitely from there. We definitely like hood Raise and East
from the Deep East, you know, and we loved it.
But damn you guys, you have some hoodies made.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
There well, no, actually missed. The fab has a store
and the hoodies say ye because it's just a regular phrase.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Yeah, it's a regular phrase dope.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
But is a phrase hot?
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Can you use it in a sense?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's just like ye, yeah, when he drinks his coffee this.
But look, it's interesting because y'all are so sweet too,
and that's the way I look at it. And I
know you guys have collaborated and worked with you know,
too Short Tupac everything, but just your music in particular,
it's just very like I remember, first of all, it
(02:03):
feels good. That song always reminds me of when I
first moved to Jersey. It was my first day of
school in a brand new school. I didn't know anybody,
and the teachers were on strike, so we had to
sit in one room the whole day. And the girl
that I met in that room, the first person, Jammel,
who's one of my best friends to this day. She
was like, there was nothing to do because the teachers
were on strike. She gave me her one headphone and
(02:24):
she was like, you want to listen to Tony Tony
Tony with me? And we sat there. It was like
a cassette tape and we were listening to the Tony
Tony Tony album together. That's always why that song reminds
me of the first day that I moved to New Jersey.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
That's interesting that your songs have remind people of certain moments.
You all created these songs. Does that song, when do
you think of that song? What does that song remind
you of?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
It feels good, it feels good? What is that? What
does that song remind you? Guys?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think I think it's just just I think it
was figuring out, figuring out our way to like making
a record, a hit record. It was I think it
was the second album?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Was it second?
Speaker 7 (03:01):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
I think the first album we didn't produce it to
get We produced it with Danny and Tony, which is
our best friends to this day. They ad to our boys.
The second album was on us, So I think we
were just just going through it, like what what could
be a single? We got a deal and we gotta
make this. This has to be a big deal. Whatever
this record is. So I don't think we had I
had time to enjoy any of it, any of it.
(03:22):
I think I just was like, oh, we just can't
be whack on the second. I think that's that's all
I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Really, we're trying to make some numbers.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, we're trying to we're trying to get out here
again on this tour. But when it came out and
people start, you know, I feel that one kind of
slid by. I think later on we started doing like
it never rains and whatever you want. I think that's
when we started falling into like.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Your groove, right, what are you gonna say? Yeah? And
I think people also always think they have to do
a fastest song first, right, because they always say, like
for radio, when you know with the BPM's, like fastest
songs play more on the radio than slower songs.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Not what I did do for Ready, it was I
heard like, you make the intro long so they can.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Talk into the song.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Were talking to the song. So that's why I made
the record long in the beginning, so DJs could talk
into the record talking to.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Who gave us that game? That was Denny from Foster
mckil roy. I remember him saying and get some space
in the intro so they can talk. So we learned
a lot on the first album. The second album is
the one we wrote and produced, and we didn't really
know how to write. We were just having fun, so
everything came together organic.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It worked out.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Oh yeah, you know, thirty seven years we're still here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Doing something right now. Listen, But you guys, this is
the first time you've been on tour in twenty five
years as Tony Tony Tony the original members of the group. Yes,
so you know, and this has been a long time
coming because I feel like you guys have discussed it now. Listen.
Raphaelsa Dick when you came on the Breakfast Club people
you know, and I want to hear what your guys
(04:56):
reaction was to that interview when he first did it
on the Breakfast Club because there were some feathers rough
what what did what did you say?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, it wasn't it wasn't ruffled from their side. I
just kind of like, I know, you guys are gonna
ask me something controversial anyway, You're gonna let me get
away without saying something dirty. So I was like, but
they asked me about who was the guy was singing,
and as the time, I just didn't like, I really
felt like I should.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Be saying his name said nobody.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I say, no, no, no, no, they came out of
came out of what.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He asked me.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Was he asked me? He said like, how do they
tour without you? And who is this guy? And I
should have answered that a little different. But what I
meant by nobody not was he was not a nobody
as a person. I meant that he was a nobody
like in this group because he wasn't a part of
any of the writing songs. He didn't he didn't do
anything I was as a man. I wasn't saying he
(05:50):
wasn't nobody. What kind of came out wrong with this policy?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah? But no, no, no no, But I mean what
I said he was. He was like, okay, let me
get back on my ship. He was nobody in this group.
He didn't play, he can't write, he didn't play guitar,
he don't play no instrument.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
In the group.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Episode to be back on my shit, it wasn't nobody
to this group. I'm somebody this group. You know what
I mean? He's somebody, he's somebody to this group. And
that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
We started out just not even as a group. It's
just family did as us chairman at the house in
the room and didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Have nothing to do.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
We couldn't afford to uh pay it for a spaghetti
dinner down the street back in the days when we
started doing this, So it was all about passion and
us learning each other.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
And we never were like real singers.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
We played behind some of the dopest singers, the Hawkins family, Tremaine.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Hawkins being out with she Le and Prince and this,
that and the other.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So we we got a chance to take what we
grew up learning in Oakland and see how to kind
of like take it to the next level. Once we
got back off the road with those people, we just
moved forward with Tony Tony and then the band situation,
all the other people that work with us. It's something
that my brother put together because in my mind it
was like we going three the hard way. It's like
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him on bassed meal guitar and him on drum.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's a rap.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
We like the Black Police for seconds.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, we was trying to get it in.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And it is a family affair. How was it when
you guys, you know went your separate way is still
working on separate things. But like a family, you know
how family can talk and so it's a lot of
godsip and family like, oh yeah, he got an issue.
You know, you need to talk to him. How was
that for you guys? Was it always like friendly? You know,
there's times I haven't talked to my brother for like
a year at a time. But what was it like
(07:36):
for you guys?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I know, I think he was. Everybody was doing their
own thing. We've seen each other. Was always love, but
we're all so busy doing different things and having fun
at the same time. It wasn't like we had any
like bickering, okaying like that and family. Our family is
so cool. They're like, whatever they're doing, we're gonna stay
out of it. And whatever they're doing, you know, we
see him when they come home as peace. So that's
(07:58):
how it was pretty much.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, let's big family, so you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I bet I know you guys got nephews, and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
We got sisters that fight, like you know, they pull
out twenty twos on each other. I mean, we ain't
never put those twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Two That's good.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's so fun and love each other.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
We got so we got so we got I mean
they're like really nice people.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Situation.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, we got some real gangs in our family.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now, Timothy, let's let's talk about everybody's Timothy, tim Let's
talk about everybody's individual adventures. You know, during the past
twenty five years of Tony Tony Tony, the original members
not being together, what were you up to?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
I did some production and some a couple of little
scoring things.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
M h.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And raising my family.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
That's important.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
An amazing job.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Hell yeah, dude, I'll see your name. You really did that, man,
all of the college, all doing the thing and focused.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
So proudigent my model.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And how do they feel about you being on the
road now because they didn't really grow up.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
It's weird because I see everybody now, like I get
these calls and like this past week, I'm getting hit
every day. So how's it Going's this? How's the shows?
I'm like, it's cool. It's cool because for me, it's
just it's back in the day, you know how it was,
so you know, now it's it's kind of like surreal
(09:26):
because it's been like so long. So I'm seeing us
on stage and I see like a lot of growth
in this man.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right here, okay, on.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
The stage, and how it's like wound them out there,
you know, a whole lot of screams and yells, and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But you know your kids have never seen us all together. Yeah,
they've never seen us all together on stage.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So that's that's what's a cold trip.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Well, you know, so they've been to the show already
or not yet.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Coming the rehearsal.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
They came to one rehearsal, which show they gonna come to?
Which one?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
They're saying, like multiple shows?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay they had all Right, Now I'm Doane. I have
a message for you, but let's talk about what you've
been well her, because I know you worked with her.
She actually sent me a message. She said, tell him
I miss him and appreciate him for teaming up with
my dad and forming my first band and low key
him and my dad were my first managers slash agents.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Do something boy. She gave me a manager name.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
That's something I was crazy as hell. I have to say,
I'm so thankful because every artist that I've had the
opportunity to what they may say, groom or whatever else,
I always felt like they were grooming me as a man.
You know what I mean, Because I took when I
first signed Destiny Show, I took that. It's like it
was thirteen to fourteen and my daughter was like eight
(10:41):
nine and stuff, and I learned how to deal with
her and certain things and stuff. And then when I
got to working with her and then Sindana and Kaylani
and all that be and my sons Dylan and Jaden
producing music. You know, I was just trying to keep
my kids around the right energy and all this sudden
they became this supergroup before my eyes, and I was
exposing them.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So if I go meet with Santana, I take me.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I want you guys see how things work out, how
it really works out on Alicia Keys. You see behind
the scenes stuff. So her now, I mean my role models.
I look at them and they keeping me focused.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
That's dope.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
She's doing. Like I always say, hey, follow your passion.
You'll never work a day in your life, and that
it's all about performing live.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And when I see her working, I was like, That's
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, because Destiny's Child had to be a crash course
in working with you know, cause they were, like you said,
thirteen and fourteen years old, whole.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Nother type of deal.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I've done deals with majors since you know, Sylvia Romans
first one that gave me a chance to produce some
artists from Atlanta. A X time gave me my first
production deal with Kenya Groove and all that. So I
learned how to do deals. But when it came down
to sign in a group under eighteen, it's a whole
nother business.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Jesus, I can't even imagine what that's like.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Do you already know when you work on Destiny's Child,
did you know that there were going to be these
megastars that they were dope?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know they were dope?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
First of all, I thought, you know, we were in
a time when you know, artists you could sing, But
it really was it was about a look and image
and stuff. I think it was no disrespect on It
was in Paula abdude days.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know what I'm saying, You have to be.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
A perform lived look at the whole bit. But I
knew it like these girls could sing as I hope
it works because sometimes you can see.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Too good right, and sometimes it might not work for
business reasons. It's not even just talent, you know, talent
is and everything. It's the foundation, but the.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Work ethics, the focus and being solid with your you know,
the trust in each other.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Now, Rafael, we know you've been working in television and film. Yeah,
I mean you've been doing it like Lucy Pearl came out.
You know during that time, you put out your solo
projects too, and you guys have worked on solo projects
as well. So tell us about that period of twenty
five years of not being with the band.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Was like, it was dope, No, we've been out here. No,
because we've been out here, like on my road, just
like saying it crazy and stuff kind of get all
like that's how crazy we are, like stage yeah, same thing,
(13:15):
like we just like crazy, super super goofy. But it
was cool. It was like I said, I was good
on my own, but I was I'm I'm always better
with him. Anything I did on my own, it was
it was good, like it was good, it worked, but
I always knew like this is this is the power,
this is where I feel most comfortable. It gave me.
(13:36):
I never would have been a singer, like you said,
me and him didn't sing. He'll tell anybody he know
I hated singing. I don't have nothing to do with
it crazy. You didn't like I was a bass player.
I was hide behind it. I was hiding behind the base.
It was cool. I didn't want to be the person
that to be in the crowdgo how's everybody doing. I
was so intimidated about all of that, you know, So
when we were in dance we would hire a person.
(13:59):
I would say. When I was of the band, I
would say, we gotta find a clown. I called it
the least a clown.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Oh my gosh, because.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That's what I should say all the time. I'm like,
we need to find a clown.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
You are a character.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
But that's what I meant, because they.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Could, like the supposed to be compliments.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Compliment ye to him?
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You called to him?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
If you called somebody a clown, doesn't it I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because they could like just a lot of things you
have to do, Yeah, to be that entertains. Why say
that you called a clown?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Like we be jamming stuff and he comes watch us
for her to do something?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
He's like, or we do something with another way to
show with Roger Troutman and my father performed. He was
after the show, he looked at us and y'all ain't
clowned enough.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, wow, Okay, now I understand.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Got it from right.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
So you're not performing, giving enough energy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's going to be very interactive with the audience where
they feel like.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I'm not calling you a clown, right, saying you can
regulate this whole thing. Every day you got in the morning,
know that you got to carry this tape.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You got the clown every day, and you know.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's a good crash course for you guys early on.
So what were those early shows like before y'all?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Were we we played? We opened up for Ready for
the World, Bobby Brown, those are huge Roger Trouton. That
was we opened up for Roger a couple of times,
and we didn't have a record deal or nothing. We
were just playing the clubs. And but Dwayne had a
band before he was in our band. Okay, Tim, He
(15:33):
was in a band called Alpha Omega. That was amazing.
It sounds like earth when it fired the commodoors and
they had like this where the rehearsed at it said
close rehearsal, you couldn't get in. But since I was
his brother, right, my father picked me up and take
me and I'm knocking the door. They let me in
and I just I should love walking in there and
closing the door and watching people standing outside and couldn't
come in, Like this is so cool because I'm hearing
(15:59):
the whole band right in front of me. But now,
but that's what I do. I try to have close
rehearsals because that's why they were good, right, because they
were focused because they say on the door set closed,
nobody could come in, but people were just standing out
in the hood, just standing there, watching them listening from
the outside.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
In Oakland.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
For me growing up, you know, seventies, I got a
chance to see slid Stone, you know what.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean, like see him.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I remember, you know when I used to work for D'Angelo,
that's who he really used to channel, was sliding the
Family Stone. He used to watch those videos to think
about his own performances.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, for sure, this dude.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, we lived across the street from the Firmary
Park and that's where the Panthers used to do their
rallies and stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
You know sl Stones group would be over there playing.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I was like seven, eighties old whatever, so I've seen
these type of things, see them walking around with the boots,
which is probably why White these boots to this day,
it's just like, you know, that's my my nikes, you
know what I'm saying. So seeing it in Larry Graham
and then you see the you see the Whispers, all
these type of groups, you know, it was a wealth
of you know, I learned how I play guitar on
the streets learning. The first thing I learned was the
(17:09):
guitar of Hey Joe by Jimi.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Hendrix Well and that you guys do definitely channel a
lot of that. What songs do you think, because there's
one song that I love from you guys that I
feel like doesn't get enough attention. But what songs do
you think from Tony Tony? Tony should have been like
you know that especial to your heart, but weren't like
big singles.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I can't keep it to myself, but I think it's
a great B side. People know it the shows, you know,
it feels like a single. I feel like if you
can make an album and the b sides are like singles,
then you did a job. I think when you make
an album, everything shouldn't be made to be a single.
It should just be you know, good and trust the
(17:48):
ear of the fans.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
They trust them right, you know what I mean, take
the whole thing in because thinking of you. I always
have loved that song, like I'm always that's like one
of my favorite Tony Tony. So my favorite Tony Tony
Tony song though it's just me and you, okay here
it is, that will always be my favorite. I've said
that forever. I remember I had did like when I
worked as serious. I put together this like mixtape for
(18:11):
Valentine's Day and everybody, you know, everybody gave their favorite
song and I hit up like all these other artists,
like I remember Nicki Minaj sent one, Little Duvall sent one,
but mine was just me and you because I feel
like that is like the perfect romantic song, you know
for love?
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yes, is there is there a song that you were
surprised that you didn't think it was gonna be as
big that's like huge now or it was huge then
it was good?
Speaker 5 (18:36):
You didn't think that was gonna be as big.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, I mean that I went through, just went through
a lot of I know, it felt good, no fun
intended the way it came about. It wasn't like we
went in there to write the song great actionally from
here now he was irritated.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
About how I used to bring a lot of people
to the studio.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
But that made me feel comfortable because I gravitate towards
the energy and stuff. But the way he came up
with the hook was just off the fly, and the
beat itself went from one thing to the next.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Started out on with a t R or something.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Kind of walked into the studio with like maybe fifteen people.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
That's a lot and it feels like a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Definitely got a close rehearsal, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Close all that close thing do you have. When his
younger went out the window, he came in and I
was like, they all had balloons and we were in Salcelyo.
Second album, so fresh, probably a fresh new deal. So
it's people from my neighborhood. Some of them are just
lived in the bay. I didn't know all of them.
But when they walked in, I was already in the
booth and the music was playing, and I was like, man,
(19:36):
I wish they would probably be another room. But I
couldn't say can you kick him out? Because then the
word was spread out he lost and he think he
is he thinking that? So I just looked and I
was like I started thinking it feels good because they
looked was having a party.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh see, I love when organic things like that happened.
I remember when I'm Not Rogers talks about how he
made how he made freak Out. They couldn't get it
Studio fifty four, and the song was really called funk
off because they went and they couldn't get in and
they had like a jam session afterward.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Off.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, and then I liked that freak Out.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I have a question because Angela thinks that the song
means something else.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Listen I to everybody that you may or may not be.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
So my favorite song is lay your Head on My pillow.
Like I don't know the song anyway, and she says
that it means something sexual, really lay your head and like.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Just for a man.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I said, it means for him to perform.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
And that's what the best means. That's what she told me,
and so I said, oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That, but it sounds good. Lay ahead on my pillow
and just relaxed.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Is that you were false?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's against.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You're mumbling. We want to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's a thing that happened.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Remember, okay, I remember I was talking about when you
put the lyric.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Just relax, yes, and I'll say it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I don't know about saying that you said, but that's
what you were saying when.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, okay, So anyway.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The song came about I can't there's no short way
of saying it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
First of all, the keyboard on there is.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
The wordlers cern, which right now has been like a
brand that the Tony's brought back to the table, which
ended up being with I would think it's part of
the whole thing that makes it kneel soul, so to speak,
because that's something that we do.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
On anniversary pillow a whole lot of these songs. That
was our little weapon we bring out. But anyway, so
we were writing a song.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I mean when I brought the worldss off to his path,
it's like, man, you gotta put this keyboard on it
and such.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Everything you do, especially with the twelve hundred rum machine
is dope.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And you was laying the melody down there, and I
was playing guitar, and I started saying.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Lay your head on my pillow whatever. I kept doing
that and then we're ready with and just real last,
really last. Now we gotta put some more just relaxes,
like no, that's what you were saying, I was watch
you eat.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
It's like see it is oh I remember that was
Terry first.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Is one his first ye.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Ca okay, So so Angela is right.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So it is about that pretty much. Thank you. See
h do not tell me.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That no, no, no. If you have went to the
park that says like, just relax your the girl that
knows my treasure, go down and find my plas see whatever. Yeah,
let me see where my prol is at that.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
See.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So it is about that.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
How you is that? How you realize what it was about.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You're not just trying to come out and say girls,
let me get it in and all nobody.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeahs in between the sheets.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You have brother When you have brothers in the house
and the house is small, you can't help but walk by.
When you're young and you hear something, you just stop.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Do like it was a lot of doing.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
He had a band before that.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Dwayne had a van.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Had a van with a bed in it in.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
The tenth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It was a make sure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It wasn't like it's a concept air mattress.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It was. It was a really nice van. It wasn't
like some tacky man. It was really nice everybody knew it.
So we have different We have different mothers, and my
mother's a super like sisters. Right. So I lived maybe
fifteen blocks from doing right, but I was always at
their house all the time, more than I was in mind.
(23:41):
But the guys in my neighborhood, when I will come
on there, Bro, your brother man. We was at a
club last night and Bro just drove up and took
all the girls off in his van.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Oh my god, this is always happening.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Heart beats.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It is really definitely the movie.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Then we grew up and had a record deal. Didn
Dwayne start having these like you know, uh, the vans
at the hotels have the ones the party man. So
then he will pull up to a pub and take
everybody from Oakland to San Francisco, all the girls, and
I will wake up if people call me like, Bro,
come on, your brother did it again? He took all
the baddest chicks out of the club.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Karaoke bus, carry the wireless mike. You get on there
and you can pull up and it just turned into
the party.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I didn't see. I just heard about it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He was young. I want young, I'm playing. I'm trying
to help.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
You give sneaky.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I'm sneaky.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He gives that call me secret squirrel.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Oh man, Well, how is it feeling now? You guys
just kicked off this new tour?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So the first show was where Charlotte. It was in Charlotte.
So what was that like?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Nuts, It's pretty amazing the reception. The crowd was really
into it. We was. We was kind of surprised how
we have it set up, you know what I mean?
It was like really like we really tried hard to
come out and get people a great show. And it's
a lot of a lot of couples are coming out,
a lot of fans, a lot of day ones are
coming out, and I feel I could tell the energy
(25:19):
between us is really good and we could see what
we made and we could feel it from people and
it's a beautiful feeling.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And you have a new album that you guys are
working on, which makes complete sense, right, is it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Really gonna come out?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
It's gonna come out?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, do you have?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
We just we didn't have time to finish an album
and do the tour. You know, that's the marketing thing.
You do an album and then you come out and
do the tour. But we want to make great albums,
so we don't want to rush it for a tour.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
How much of it is done so far?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I mean it's it's really still raws a lot of
different ideas. All of us have ideas, but it's like
that's how we work. We put the ideas together and
we like put it together, form it. But this has
help because now we're motivated from a tour and we
get to see see fans, see people cheer. It always
if you go on the tour, makeing album albums all better?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay? And how is it when you guys because clearly,
like there's three of you, so there's decisions to be
made and you guys may not always agree, right, So
how is it when it's like one person likes something
the other person doesn't, or somebody wants to add something
and creatively, I'm sure that's not easy when you're like, no,
I like how this sounds the way I did it?
How does that work?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
That's the easiest part because we all know each other's personality, okay,
And you know I may say somewhat and I may
think it's cool, and then they'll say no, it should
be something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, cool, because I know he knows what the key is.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
But when this dude starts putting hands on the keyboard,
everything just.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Like whatever we complish pretty well.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
You know, we don't step on each other's toes at all,
especially in the creative. For me on stage, it's not
even like we're performing with speaking with our instruments. I
don't even have to look over there anything I can hear,
I can tell where he's moving.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
What about a live album? Would you do that too?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I thought about you know what I thought about this tour.
We might put one of these records out live shows.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Because it's like, that's an Earth went and fire? I
love what was that devotion?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, the Gratitude album Gratitude. Yeah, when we get together
to make music, our ideas are kind of our ideas
and everybody else's ideas, right, So if we have an idea,
we could say, remember how Maurice Whitenen did this on Gratitude,
or the Commodore did this, or the Mama's in the
Populace did this. We should try that. And nobody's gonna
say no to those legends, right if it came from
(27:25):
them and it's passing down to us, and that's how
we make records. All our records have been made from
all the inspirations that we had listening to Ohio Players
and hip hop and you know everything we're trying to.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes, that's what that That song that I thinking of
you sounds like Al Green, and I loved Al Green
and you love that song too, Yeah, I do. I
do for some I mean our Greens. I'm Still in
Love with You album is one of my favorite albums.
I'm from Brooklyn, from and Green like that. My parents
we had a lot of vinyl in the house growing up,
so I would sit downstairs and you know, working with
(27:59):
Sheilay like I used to love Shelley. I used to
listen to her album all the time too, And so
that's why I think with Tony Tony Tony, just the
sound of you guys, and that is like very nostalgic
for me. So that's why I'm excited, you know. And
like I said, I wanted to make sure I got
you guys all up here together.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That's a little bit I talk about on the show.
Talk about Al Green in the show.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And he has a fascinating story too. What I love
and the way you talk in the beginning of that too.
But what I love about Al Green and all those
stories and back in the day is that we didn't
have social media. You only hear like the rumors of
what happened, and everybody used to call him al Gris Green. Yeah,
and so I just feel like, you know, those periods
of time when people used to talk on records and
then we would hear about the crazy things that used
(28:40):
to happen, especially with women. For some reason back then,
it was just like a woman here, a woman here.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
You know, I was putting us through it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, you know, I like the the Ohio Players album comes,
you know, the one that Hunt the album Honey, remember
that that she died when they put the honey on her?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You can.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
She's like, okay, well, no, I am super excited for
this and for you, Rafael, You've got a chance to
do cuff it. And that was supposed to be a
Tony Tony Tony song.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well it was gonna be a Tony song, but I
told my friend Damien Damien Smith thought this is gonna
be a Tony song. But I think it could work
great for me because she has a billion eyeballs on her.
She's the hardest worker and the show bitch, she has
dream as a writer. You know, dream got on and
(29:37):
now Rogers got on it and it became a whole
different thing. You know. But the horns? Is that that
that that you know? It was uh, something I put together,
but thinking about us getting together, but we got a
lot more. You know, you gotta be able to give
it away?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Is that hard though? When you're like, this is great
for us, but it is.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Lady, that's a beautif what song is that?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That was something that you get laid out? Yeah, and
all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You were like, hold up, yeah, we've been beefing about
that one.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
But you know, when you work with people, I like
working artists that you know that they're gonna take what
you did and take it to the next level. And
that's what That's what b did and that's what d did.
You know. So if you can work with an artist,
you know, like got Aretha Franklin, if you sing, you're
not gonna say if you sing a song and then
I sing it in Arita singer, yeah, go a different world.
So if somebody, if it wasn't a beyond it, I
(30:31):
was probably like, nah.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
How much song does Tony Tony Tony have that has
never come out, Like you know how a lot of
times people have recorded so many records that we haven't
heard yet. But how much catalog do you guys have
that we haven't heard.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Yeah, we can put an album like.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Two or three albums from the ball. But when they
say the vault, we always meant my friend of mine.
We laugh about the vault. When things are in the vault.
The mean is if they don't come out because they're
not really that good, you know what I mean, everything
you do is not great.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
They just tell me that, you know, but but you
feel like those are songs that are great enough.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We got some hitters well.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And we gotta share your love with me. I think
that's one.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's one that fole man.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
That's but it have to be and it will need
some work.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now they have that orchestra on. Yeah, excited, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Rute it up.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
That's the one that got got you think about that.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Oh that's old.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Then it's like an old other colde. And sometimes you
have good clothes in the close you want to give
away and it maybe like just twenty twenty three, would
you really wear that right now? Okay, it's kind of
like that vibe if you can still wear it. We
have some stuff we can still wear that.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I feel like you guys have all your songs that
I know of, have been timeless. I don't think that
any of the songs that you've put out are songs
that you're like, oh, this is dated or it doesn't
feel like it. Coulrrect today been very blessed, very blessed.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
There's songs and tunes.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And you just said that even though you say it
was the time and period when we were forrgeous, So
it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You know, we in the moment.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And that's what's cool about songs because it could be
now or it could be twenty years from now.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's a song. And if it's a good song, it's
a good song.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
And so I never always looked at the music like
it's just a score of our lives, right, were just learning,
We didn't know it right.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
What about the business side of things for Tony, Tony Tony,
have y'all always been able because I know a lot
of artists talk about getting their first deal and how
things weren't maybe right with the paperwork. You know, how
has that been for you guys? Business wise?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's the great learning.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
That's his best answer.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Man, we have six thousands wait, first deal.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, our first deal. We got six thousand dollars each.
Now is that a bad deal?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
We feel like it feels like it a bad deal.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Nos, like it feels bad because yeah, budget with the budget.
But the point is we didn't go into the studio
thinking about money. We went in there just want We
just wanted to get on stage and kill We didn't
even think. We just wanted to get on stage and
tax the mass.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Say this. We we had a huge opportunity to sign
to Wing Records, which was ed ex Stein, Billy x
Stein's son. He gave us a lot of freedom. You know,
me and him never we always didn't see I to
eye as I was growing up and trying to figure
out things. But always say he he he left it
open for us. You know, he didn't. He didn't, he didn't,
He didn't bother us. He let us make the music
(33:27):
that we thought we could make. He gave us the
opportunity and a budget to go somewhere on the second
album and say just go do what you do. And
that's that's why we hear today because because of ed.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Okay, so it was like a promo album basically that
you in a way because you were able to.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Definitely, wasn't that Yeah, because you're able.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
To still move on quick, to move on and like
and to figure out what did you learn in school,
the instruments that you played, what did you learn from
the teachers in high school?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
And the bands and everybody. You were able to put
it together and then come back and and people who
just older than us are teachers or bands that can
look back like, Okay, that's that's pretty good because in
my in my mind, I only wanted people like if
I ran in them or Reswide or the al Green.
You know, I don't think we did it better than
those guys, but I at least want them to see
(34:12):
me and acknowledge me and go, Okay, I see you're
trying to go to meet out huge, right, I mean
that's like huge to me.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Right. So for this new project, are you guys gonna
put it out independently or do you want to sign
to a label?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I don't. I don't think. Well, uh, it's not gonna be.
It's gonna be some type of independent deal, some type
of equity deal, it's not gonna be like we're not
giving not giving anybody no.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like a hybrid deal.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
One Foot Out were definitely keeping control because we are
our group that's been owning our trademark from the beginning,
and we didn't believe in creating something and walking away
from it so someone else can take it to the
next level and it just loses its original you know concept.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, like rock and roll started this way.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Now it's it's like one thing I vout to make
sure it never happens. It's Tony and Tony sound. And
I feel when solo and we were doing other things,
I started bringing other people through the lens of Tony
Tony because we have to uphold our catalog.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
And what we're about.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
We're blues on blues from the streets to Wokland and
hip hop and everything is just affusion into our music.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Is there.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Do you guys feel pressure yet too, you know with
the new the new project, because you guys have no.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I'm feel any pressure. I think the most pressure you
felt is when you have to go for me I
speak for myself, when you have to sing it and
then deliver it. So that's a little pressure there. But
you know, I feel like in the end, well, well
we can put up together. But you look at people
like speak to my independence, like I'll work with Brent
(35:45):
Fire as.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Oh my god, she is killing it. Brandfire is amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah. So and I was introduced to him by some
friends of mine.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And did you say it like that?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
He's like he wanted to think about it first. He
didn't want to blurt it out.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Continue, No, No, I just think it so so many,
so many people the new generation are all independent any way, right,
It's it's an old idea to be like we were.
Kids are like a lots smarter. They may they in
some people's eyes. They may not be making music that
some people like, but not Brenton. Not speaking about Brent,
(36:24):
but other people. Most the new generation is all independent. Really,
that's what it is, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So okay, all right, well listen, guys, I am so
excited because you know, I'm coming to the show. And
so for everybody, where can they find out information on
how they can get tickets to come see Tony Tony
Tony in the citty near them? Where do they go?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You can go to Tony Tony Official.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, I never know, like I can never remember which
to which it's why the why then the then I.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And why google it flash, oh my god, clash slash. Okay,
you can go to Raphael and just course and you
can see it too.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
All right, well, thank you guys so much. This was
amazing for me and I'm looking forward to like.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
We want to congratulate you. Oh, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I appreciate that you like my coffee.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Coffee, I mean I had, but I mean, this is
you doing it. I like that.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, I'm my way up logo. I wanted it to
be a little blinged out. So all right, well y'all
make sure you guys go to this show. I'm gonna
be there on Saturday in New York. I cannot wait
for it. And thank you so much. This has been
You know, I always talk about how certain people in
my business like I can't believe I have a chance
to meet people. But Tony, Tony, Tony, this is really
exciting for me. You don't know. Oh, last thing I
wanted to make sure I asked who made the call
(37:50):
to get back together? How did that even happen to
say let's do this.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
He didn't even make the call, He just made the call.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
He threw out a billboard and we tell pictures back
in the day, well not back in the day, back
you know, some months back at this studio and we
talked as we always do and jammed a little bit.
And I'm out in Atlanta on this ranch and he's
somewhere whatever, and I get a call from someone. It
takes me a picture and I thought they super opposed
the picture with us.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Oh that's pretty cool. That least cool. I know it's
a billboard.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
I was like, the.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Three of us a picture together.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Photo session. I was talking to my boy Kirby from
Piarra Mars and Garby's like, I just need to make this.
I need to make this feel a certain way, and
we put together photo session. I was like, you know,
let's let's put up a billboard in Oakland where we
started and just buy the Grand Lake Theater. It's huge,
and just put it up. And they were walking down
the street and they will see it. People would start
(38:47):
putting it, they start trending. He's like, did you put
a billboard up? I'm like, no, I'm talking about to them.
That's how they knew it was real. But I always
knew it was real, right, we're gonna do it. But
I think they didn't think it was real until they
saw this billboard up right.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Okay, yeah, you really doing? You're ready because we knew that.
You know, he had a big business.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Schedule, all that scoring and stuff and all that, so
we knew when he ready, we're ready.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
So when he did that, I was like, he's ready,
you ain't playing, Let's get it, let's go.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Was there any hesitation to him on your apart? Okay,
not at all? And what was so you put that up?
But you guys had been in some preliminary conversations. They
just didn't quite believe you.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Right, And I was like you said before, yeah, let
me know, I just went back to the runs.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I'm chilling here fishing.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
He thought it was he thought it was a digital board,
you know, he thought somebody super imposed.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, but yeah I did. I was like, you know,
let's do it. This like this is my father passed
away five years ago, our dad, And I was like,
he would have wanted to see this, you know what
I mean. And then, like I said, the great nieces
and nephews they don't know why who the hell we are?
They're like why?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Why? Why?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
People stop you and say hello to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
They know me.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Did y'all dad have a favorite song?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:06):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Rock?
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Skate, no Jamaica funk, not ours, Oh.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Talk about that's what it is, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
But did he have a favorite song from Tony Tony
to Yeah, but we put him on a song, okay, yeah, movie.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Just like my papa lyrics, Jason's lyrics, lyrics. I think
his favorite song was Leaving.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Though, I'm sure that's something like that, was Leaving.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He used to singing to people in the hospitals. My
dad should go by and sing to people at the
hospitals when he was sick.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That's so dope, when he was supposed to be retired.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love that. And you guys have family, like now
you have a nephew that's in the business too, is
a producer, Dylan Dylan, that's your sons. That's your son.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And Jadens well've been doing some movies.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
He's killing, he's producing. They both producing. I'm in La
with them a lot, okay, and they're like pretty much.
I mean, it's just stays crowded. Dude, gotta got a
place out here. He got a place. She just bought
a house in l at just like killing it and
staying focused. You know, it's not easy to stay focused
(41:12):
in l A, right, you know what I mean. I
love to see how Dylan and Jay and both of
them are just like I'm. They're doing nothing, they don't
say anything. They're real humble and laid back.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And he's talking about what's the movie something?
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Tyrone when I said, what said all the base things
in but I said, that's you like that.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Call and tell me.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
All right, well it's lining the family would say it's
a family affair, all right, Well, Tony, Tony, Tony, thank
you so much again. I kept on extending it. Sorry,
all right up at the
Speaker 3 (41:53):
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