October 13, 2025 • 32 mins
Havoc & Alchemist Get Real: Nas, Mobb Deep Stories, Infinite Album, & Method Man Collab + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's way up for Angela. It feels like it's gonna
be messy today because Mano's here.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, we've been drinking.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Simtoces Alchemist is here aka Alan the Chemist, I'm here,
I'm here, and Havoc is here. What a celebration charity, y'all. Man,
this is amazing, like another classic album.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How does it feel?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Man, it feels real good. It feels good, infinite long overdue,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
On the first album since a Prodigy passed away, Mob
Deep has some unfinished business, you know what I mean,
and just wanted to kind of go out with a
bang here.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I just want to tell you man, as a as
an avid Mob Deep fan, I'm here for it. I
try to tell you as much as I can when
I see you how much uh, the Mob Deep music
influenced me what it did for me when I was
I blocked Elmira you know, you know five Gallery going
through it right, and what that meant for me. So
(00:58):
I always want to give y'all y'all credit because for
me and this is no pandement or nothing. Mob Deep
to me is the greatest two man group ever that's
and I've been on that, I mean agreement.
Speaker 7 (01:14):
I'm standing on it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Classic classic classic music. I listen on a superficial level.
Mob Deep meant a lot to me going to the
tunnel as a child, you know, as a child, yeah,
as a in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
But you know, and it's great to have both of
you here today.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So both of you produced this album fully is either
alchemists are having and what a great combination has always
been just to see you and you know Alchemists the
I think people always have to acknowledge, like the consistency
that you've had from just a young age, you know,
from the hooligans man the nineties, from the nineties to now.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A lot of people cannot like keep that going.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't even know how you have, like the catalog
that you do, or how you're even able to produce
the way that.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
You are, Like I love it, man, Come on, think
about this job we have, like you know what I mean,
Like I get to do what I love to do.
From day one, I would have done this anyways just
for fun because it's something that's spiritual and something I love.
But then we found a way to monetize it. Come on,
that was I mean when I was fifteen, I went
on tour ninety three, the Solar Sassin's Tour, So you
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know that just the whole life up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That fucked my life up.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
And I got to see it, you know what I'm saying,
because they were doing it at the time, Cypress Hill,
House of Pain.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
They were, and I was on it. We can't forget that.
Speaker 8 (02:36):
I was a kid on tour with them and I
saw it like when in school for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And then I moved to New York.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, you were from New York for real, like,
but hooking up with them changed everything.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Now you hooked up with because I was unclear because
I was.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
I was onto the mall since really ninety five, right,
since since the infamous Then you came.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
A little later order music album they had, But you did?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You did?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
You did Prodigy solo album right?
Speaker 8 (03:04):
That was around the same time of Murder Music. Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I was a fan just like you.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
When I met having Pete, I was stuck.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
This is mab deep.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
You know, I was already just a super fan living
in New York underneath mugs and they let me rock
like that. You think, how that how much that meant
to me?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Think of y'all worked with them too.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
It was it was y'all did a song with with
Mugs and them, right, So yeah, yeah, like a B
side or something.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It was it was it a compilation or something. It
was something album.
Speaker 8 (03:38):
I think even just that was and then I was
just moved to New York and just but think about it,
like Half is one of the greatest producers of all time.
Once I met him, it was already like that. So
the fact that he let me rock, you know what
type of confidence that gave me, Like then you got
p We had the best time. He was the best
rock period.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Own chemistry for Tom right, y'all had like you know,
H and I C and a lot of those like
y'all had your own.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Separate chemistry was blessed. That was very visible.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
I mean, think of the connection to Mam Deep. The
magic is that I just I was. I was so
close to it and some of the juice fell off
and I was able to be around pe a lot
and we developed the lane too.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That was like running side to side with Mam Deep.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
How does collaboration work like in those early days because
you know, both being producers, both producing on the albums,
like you know, even like being like I don't like that,
or being like, yo, that's dope, Like how was that
ego wise? Because sometimes that could be difficult, especially as
young people coming in the game.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well for me, like luckily we didn't have those moments
where I'm like, nah, I don't like that. You know
what I'm saying because not saying that because he's sitting here,
but he was a dope producer as soon as I
met him. You understand what I'm saying that, which you know,
I'm a life student, so it inspired me from day's second.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know what I'm saying. Second second.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
The first second, your energy wasn't like, man, who this
guy trying to.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Come in here and do like you wasn't nah na nah,
I wasn't even you know, because that's just my personality.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Like if something's dope, part of me that didn't mean
to curse.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But it's okay, you know, mad times, oh.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Nah, because you would.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Think that somebody like nah, what you crazy? I'm producing
all of this, Like you know what I'm saying. But
if somebody's dope and dope and he's in he has
the opportunity to be in the camp. I'm like you know, cool,
and I get the opportunity to fall back and write more.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Because I'm a rapper first, you know what I mean.
So I'm like, oh, thanks, somebody's coming in.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, when you guys first came into the game
and with juvenile hell y'all arello on Fourth and Broadway
and you had some big producers on a couple of
big producers on their Premier was a producer on that
project and large Professor?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How did that even happen back then? Was that the
label setting that up?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Or was that you guys with your relationship because I
always more than nowadays people DM people they hook up
on social media, but then in real life, you guys
were teenagers.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
How did people take you seriously at such a young.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Age because the content that we was, you know, coming
with you know, like when Primo first heard us, he
was like oh snap. And you know, of course the
label we told the label like yo, we like Premier,
we like launched a professor, So they reached out and
got these people for us. But when those people got
with us, they was like, oh nah, these kids is
actually dope. So Primo came to our house like to
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chill with us and viob with us.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
He didn't have to do that lost professors from queens
and he came and vibed. So it was was what
me and Prodigy was making that made it just like
real comfortable for them to just come and killed us.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Do you remember your first song that ever got on
the radio?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah, it was like hit it from the bag.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
That video videot was in the water water in Queensbridge.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Well, like all these artists coming out of one New
York City project, like that was to me. I was
I was super like interested in that, Like I couldn't understand,
like how so many Like how was it back then?
Like when you come out, you got nas over here,
get you over here, you got so many different artists
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like check it.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Like so when you're growing up in Queensbridge, the first
person that you learned about or first people you learned about,
it's EMPCC Rock, Seene Schante, Molly mal and these people
are coming back to the hood like every other week,
and you seeing them, you know what I'm saying, Like,
imagine you eight years old and you're ten years old
and you see these people, they look larger than life
to you, right, and so you kind of catch that
(07:37):
bug immediately from there, You're like, okay, I'll play a
little bit basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's all right. I'm not that good.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I'm not tall enough, you know what, But I could,
you know, I could, I could write, I could rap,
and you know, so I just took that line.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I always feel like you've been the more low key
one too, because I'll never forget. And you know, of course,
rest in peace to Prodigy. When he put that book out,
boy he opened up all kinds of cant but it's
such an I enjoyed it and I appreciate it because
he even was able to tell things about himself. I
think sometimes when people write books about themselves, they don't
want to ever be critical of themselves or like tell
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the truth about that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But I felt like he was all in with it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean I wish that I could write something like that,
you know what I mean. But I mean, a book
is coming, I bet, yeah, that book.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The book is coming.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
But yeah, like you know, that was peeven out spoken.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And you know that was good for me because I
got a chance again to like kind of pull back
and just because I am naturally just the child one,
you know what I mean, Like, you know, for.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Real, like that you ended up in the middle of
all kinds of things, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, the saying thanks to you know,
mister p himself.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
But I mean, but then you know, at the end
of the day, I'm writing.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
For my dog, like you know what I'm saying, even
if it's it's not my beef, but now I'm standing.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
For an eye. Your beef is mine.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Hey, No, that's real, like and that's how that's how
it is back at home and all about hoods, right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like, yo, that's my man.
Speaker 9 (09:03):
He might be wrong, but.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
With him, so I.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Know, because I like to have such legendary like my
favorite albums are Infamous, Murder Music, Hell on Earth, right,
did y'all know, like the Infamous like that. When I
was writing that, like that was gonna be what it
was like what it became.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yo, It was such a nervous time, Like you understand
what I'm saying. You got illmatic is out right. We
were talking about the juvenile hell that didn't do so
good commercially, right, so our backs were kind of up
against the world. So it was just like kind of
like a test for us, Like you know what I mean,
Like what y'all gonna do?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean, wu Tang is our label mates, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 9 (09:46):
So like I mean the bar is like super high,
Like what.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Are you going to do from your project?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And everybody's playing his music yours? You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's all these people on the album too.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Right, because Shook Ones afforded us that, right, Like we
made shook Ones early when we started making an album
and that came out and we had to work that
record for like a year, and everybody started believing in
us once that record started getting it.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
They worked that record for a year, for the whole
year we worked out before.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
It became Yes, it came out ninety four, really, but
ninety five is when it popped.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Them records like that. Back then, the hit record used
to grow legs and just walk out the room for
six months, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (10:28):
Stream it record had life back then.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You had to listen to the radio and record it
off the radio on a cassette to be able to.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Hear it again.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
But you know, but that's crazy because y'all were making
the album with that was that was hot already, right,
so I guess ray and confident.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, and and listen, we all know, we all know
these people not sting the rat with us.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If just because he was from his neighborhood he wouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That might be more reason not to right, I'm good,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I'm trying to beat y'all. But nah, So that just
speaks to the record that we put out. And you know,
we didn't know to answer your question or not. We
didn't know what we was making, but we knew we
had to make something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
So that was just yo, that might I just realized
that three album run might be one in that conversation.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You know, they always talking about the best three albums
in a row Infamous one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But you know, think about the people that you collaborated
with too, Alchemists, Like you've done a lot of collab projects.
That's a great run too, Jessica.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
I got to work with some of the best and
people I really genuinely love, and most of them we
built like an actual friendship too.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So it was like.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Even Pete really is funny because Return of the Mac
was probably the first one I did like that where
I got to produce a whole project because at that time,
me and him was really locked in. And it was
around the time after the g Unit album. I remember,
because we put the record out and it was cooking,
but they were kind of people were kind of like
fronting on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Us a little bit.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
And I remember Pee was like, we gotta show him son,
we gotta get the streets hot. And we were talking
about he used to wear the MAC ten chain.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I said, remember join him onf used to have that chain.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
He was like, yeah, we should do a tape like that.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
That's why we called a Return of the Mac because
it was a returner to that era and he just
was trusting me, and I was able to make a
whole plate because I wasn't doing whole albums yet. You know,
he was the first and then that from then I
could name, you know, ten different records that I was
lucky to do.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And it's good because you have the legends, but then
you also have no problem working with the newer artists too.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know, I think that you know Freddy Gibbs, he's
not as you know, but he's still newer as far
as eras wise you know so, and it's just interesting
to me also because you know how hip hop is
the people that don't get along with people, but you
managed to, like unscathe work with everybody.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It gets sticky sometimes, you know, I gotta play play right,
you know. I just like to be I just always
say I'm like, I'm Geneva, you know what I mean.
I try to be Switzerland in the situation and just
like I'm you know what I mean, I'm here to
make music and relationships. You know, it's sometimes it gets
tricky because we're all men, and you know, but I
try to be right, even you know, during the time when.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Damn, I ain't even gonna tell talk about that. I
don't want to bring back old stuff.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
But there were times when there was issues and you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Know, like NAS and.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Well well yeah, actually it wasn't like major funk, but
at the time with NAS and P when they had
their little they had some issues. That was when I
went to work with NAS on GODSN and I definitely
asked for Pee. I told P and y'all, like, yo,
you know, someone money. If P would have said, I
don't think I would have. And that's because I really
rocked with Mob Deep like that. We were like family.
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But Yo, p was like, go make some heat. He
was really like that. He was like, go go give
him some heat. He was never the type to ever.
He was a team player. He supported everything we all did.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He was and even you being from the West coast
people sometimes but thinking that you were like on the
coast sided.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Things, I don't. Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What I'm saying, like, because sometimes it's just who you
rock with, sure, and you can get caught up in
something and you'd be like, I ain't got nothing to.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Do with nothing that happens.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
You notice the streets schedule or twine with the music
sometimes and you know you just gotta play it right.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But being down with mob I was.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
In Mob Deep, so I could tell you various shows
were in the middle of the show, close.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Up the equipment, we out of here, gotta go.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
It's usually Connecticut, they're live, they get busy in Connecticut,
but it was never it was just and it was
shows where we would come out of the show on
the way to the van and the car pull up
and like, Yo, momsde we love y'all, and just pull
out a forty five just to show us.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
That They were thorough over too, but we were like,
we're out of here.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We don't know who the fuck it.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Is because we got nothing to do. Yeah, you know,
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I was telling man, know that when I was younger,
when I was in college, I also did photography. I
gotta find these pictures because I have pictures from going.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
To a Mom Deep show.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But it was early on and there were so many
people on stage. I was like, I don't know who's
in the group because it was early on and people
did not used to know it was only two of them,
and they would be like thirty people on stage and
we're looking like who is rapping?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I can't even see who the person is holding a mic?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I mean yeah, we had to kind of like, you know,
as the years went on, kind of like, you know,
show you who we are by like just me and Prodigy.
But I think in that era of the nineties when
hip when artists used to you know, try to make it,
and when they did make it, the hood.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Was happy for them.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Bring everybody say everybody's coming, like it wasn't a reckless movement.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Everybody was happy.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I was like, if the stage is going to collapse
on it, I.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Always set a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
I always felt like Noid was the third member, yeah, officially,
unofficially like he was like the third member because he
stayed so close to y'all, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And he's on this new album too.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
He is on this new album and like main No
Si No, it is like the unofficial third Mob Deep
member who I still bring on the road to this
day when I'm performing. And you know, you know, Prodigy
can't be replaced, but damn that Noid energy is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And he was there, and he was there, Yeah it
makes sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And he does a great job. And I got a salute.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Big noise you did you did recognize and realize I did, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I want to say with this new Infinite project,
it doesn't sound like you're trying to be like music
that's out today. It kind of it feels like a
classic My Deep album, and that's what I think was good.
It's not like chasing the sound of what's happening now.
It kind of feels like modern but nostalgic still at
the same time.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Right, he laid out a sound from day one with
Mob Deep. You know, through those three albums, we were
talking about he laid the script out for even me
to come through an add on. So I feel like
it was a grain. It was a you know, that's
one thing mab Deep had over other groups. They had
an internal producer who was in charge.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Of the sound that that helped to define a sound.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
And then now moving forward, we just felt like we
could just because we we're in real time, we listening
to stuff. Now we always add new elements to the beats,
but you know, we know the mob Deep sound because
of Half. So I felt like when we got together,
I was just following his lead and have always made
the majority of mob Deep albums. Anytime I would just
come through an ad two or three joints and that's
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that's how.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
We did it.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Again is a banger.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
That was you know for p like I made that beat.
It was like who else with this beat before?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And it sounds perfect?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I want to say, we were in here listening
and I thought, mana was when I tell you, I
said gunfire, you got to do like an unofficial remix
or something, because right, I felt like that's your vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Man, I mean, I know, let's go.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
We still make beats for Pee every day. I make
beats for Pee every day. Still I'm make being been
like damn in mine for sure, I'd be like Pete
would have loved this.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I still do it. I'm stuck like it's forever, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And then working with the Clips too finally, like that
was that was an amazing moment to have this on
this project too. And the timing of it I think
is perfect being that they're coming off of their project.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, I mean, look, that's how the universe works, right,
Like we wanted that Clips feature, right, so we got it,
and we didn't even know that they was working on
the album, you know what I mean, We didn't know
they was working on the album. Next thing, you know,
before we even put our album out here comes Clips
with this legendary run like you know what I mean.
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And so I couldn't be more thankful. Just the universe
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now, Another thing that I want to talk about is
starting off the album with against the World and putting
that song out talk to me about even because I
know everything matters when it comes to a project like this,
So against the World as the first song tell me,
the vibe and the feeling behind why that is how
we opened it up.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Well, Alchemists saw it another way. I saw it another way,
but both.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Ways it's dope.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
The reason why I, you know, I wanted Against the
World to go first on the album is because there's
a part in the song actually towards the end of
the song with Prodigies like, Yo, I love you have
see you on the other side, you know what I mean?
And even before that, he comes on saying I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So it's like, you know, it's just it's such you's.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
The tone yo, man, losing the brother, right, we all
know we lost family members, and I know you lost
your brother only kill a black Yeah, well, p It's
just we all knew that he had, you know, his
his sickle cell or whatever. But so suddenly yeah, yeah,
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and and y'all like the one of the highest touring groups,
right like at that point, did you feel like you
didn't want to do more mall Deep music?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Man? You know it's that that's a that's a loaded question.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It's kind of difficult to answer because in one sense,
it's like Prodigy is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Not here, mab Deep is over.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
You understand what I'm saying, mall deep is this is
no Mob Deep, but we do still have a legacy
that we want to continue. You understand what I'm saying.
So when Prodigy passed away, I didn't immediately think like damn,
you know what I mean, Like what am I gonna
do with Torn? It just kind of like happened naturally.
It's like, yeah, you know, like over time, it's like, yo,
(20:34):
let's just go out. And because if I don't perform
shook Ons, who's gonna perform it? You understand what I'm saying.
And I believe that's a really dope song for people.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
To So.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
We do that, you know, and we just do it
to the best of the ability that we can do it.
And like I said, there's no replacing Prodigy, but you know,
it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
How does it also feel that for both of you,
everybody that you came up with in the game is
like really still doing big things like seeing Copona Noriega
and doing drink chams, or seeing Joe and Jada having
their podcast together, or you know, just seeing all these
people that you're like, damn, we all came in this
like and we're still here and still making money and
still just really killing it. Like isn't that a great
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feeling when you can go and see those people that
you actually know and have history with and have stories
with and can be like and not. It's like being
on mass appeal records and you know, doing this whole
legend has it campaign being part of that that has
to feel like an amazing And.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You have a song on here called my era.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But to see everybody from you know, your era still
out here, like yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
I mean I love seeing my friends win. I don't
know about you, Like you know they got that saying
it's lonely into the top?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Who made that up?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Got to be at Why I got to be lonely
at the top.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Why can't we all be at the top together? I
never understood that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
But that's why, though, because being at the top alone
is lonely, that's what you meant.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
But we need our friends to win, we do.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
We do need them win with us, and seeing everybody
win is like the best thing to me. I love it,
But it also is a testament to if it's something
you love and it's in your heart, because you know,
you could come into this game and get paid quick
and get up out of it, and you could just
squeeze the towel and just take the bread and jet
what A person like Jada or Fad Joe or the
people you mentioned, we love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you can see it. You know.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
It's not like they're just doing it to cash in,
And it was never that. And so the fact that
now everybody's in the winter circle, come on, it only
makes sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you remember the first time you had you actually
turned down a big check. I read something where you
were talking about it feels good that I don't have to,
like just because it's a couple hundred thousand dollars, I
don't have to take it because I need the money.
You just do what it is that you want to do.
When did you get to that point when you recently?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Really that changed everything? Just saying no, yo, my man
Action Bronson shot at my brother. He really put me
on because he used to say no. He said, just
say no, and the price is gonna double. There used
to be a time when I was like, what they got,
I gotta take that. You know, I used to be
a little more nervous, But now I realize You got
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to know your worth. You got to know when to
be like nah, because they're gonna come back and be like,
all right, what you need and you'll be like, oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Like that the whole time.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
So I've learned and also saying, God, we were able
to find a way to make this music economical, make it, you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
We have a way. There's an ecosystem now with the
vinyl and the merch selling direct to consumer tours.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We do good without radio, without any of that. We
all have.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
You know, I'm gonna sold out tour with Freddie Gibs
right now. We're doing shows every night. So it's like
that's the blessing, you know what I mean. So I
just feel thankful to be able to do it and
even still do it and have it, have all of that.
Come to twenty five, we got a new mom Deep album.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
How much? What could be better? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So what about you have?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like do you remember when do I remember, like when
you were finally able to be like.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I'm I hate the brag, but it's been a lot
of time.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, you know it feels good.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
No, no, no, no, no, it feels it feels good
because there has been times a lot of times that
I was like I'm not turning that down, like you
know what I'm saying, Like now give me that bread,
you know what I'm saying. And even though we might
be in a good position now, just the the pt
is deep from it make me just want to take
all the money.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
You know, I'll be like, what.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Like a squirrel just.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know, thinking about also iconically being on Loud Records
at a time when everybody was on loud records.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Yeah, that's Steve Rifkin.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
How much fun was that though?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Being because I remember, you know, I used to work
at Wu Tang, So going up to Loud Records, y'all
have people working there. I remember he worked in the mill. Yeah,
you got people jobs Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It was it was like family.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
We know it was business, but it felt like family,
you know what I'm saying. And then you got Wu
Tang on the label. You got a big pun.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You know what I'm saying. It's wall deep. So going
up to the label is like you.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Don't know who you going to, never know who's there,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
It's just it was a beautiful time you've.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Always had all the security, right.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It was dope.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And I saw when you signed to loud Records because
you know, obviously coming off like the first deal, that
was your second deal, right, signing to loud Records. So
when you went up there and putting something together, like,
Steve gave you guys a lot of freedom to kind
of put it together how you wanted to.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Gave us the freedom. He was like, yo, y'all could
do what y'all want.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Just do you know, I trust y'all whatever, because he
loved the demo and that was the recipe for something
great to come.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
It was just a demo, that trust.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It was just a.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Demo, like you know what I mean, because look, man,
you would have when you that young.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You know what I'm saying, and you fail.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
You automatically bounce right back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So that's what we did, Like you know what I mean.
The first project didn't work.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We get the Steve Rifkin, he just got a cubicle.
He said, Yo, man, just do what you want to do,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
But by the way, here take this wutang CD all
you know, and we're like all right, what's this?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All right? Cool?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
We on a label with the best group in hip
hop of all time and don't even know it, you
understand what I'm saying, But we quickly found out and
it was.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
Just it was a beautiful tome like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It feels like early on you guys had a great
connection with ra Kwan too, like that.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Was yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know him and Ghosts,
Ray and Ghosts, they kind of reminded us of like
kind of like the Big Brother Mob Deep, like you know,
it was like a group in themselves, right, you know
what I mean. So naturally we are brilliant.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Y'all had chemistry every time y'all worked together, you know,
like you know that that that Mob Deep Rain, Ghosts,
y'all felt like y'all was.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
A little mini crewl like Nighttime Vultures, you know the
rest of that right back.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And and and me and Ray Kuan got a tour
coming up in November where we celebrating the thirtieth anniversary
of the Cuban Links and the infamous album.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So yeah, yeah, we just was in rehearsals yesterday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
We're gonna have rehearsals rehearsals and everything I've been.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I've been on ray before though, that's my guy and listen.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And aren't you and Meth working on something?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, finally, like we call it our COVID album like before.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, we started it since COVID and still didn't finish it.
But you know the methods like you.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Have them put you in a head loger and you
see you know, he dieseled.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I like how he's putting it. Keeps being like, yeah,
the album's coming.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, no, no, it really is, it really is.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
We've been in the studio consistently for the past I
would say, six weeks and we were finishing it up
and it's definitely gonna come out.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Also, nas Is on three songs on this project on
Infinite was that I feel like maybe he was hearing
it and being like, y'all I gotta get on that,
Like how did that happen?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I mean, it's always a blessing to get a nas verse,
but you know, fortunately we had three songs that he
definitely wanted to get on, and I definitely wasn't going
to say no.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Has he ever done three songs on anyone's album before?
I felt like that's a hard thing to get.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Nas picks and shoeses who he wants to work with.
But y'all always, I mean y'all had tons.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Of songs with Nas yeah man, like yep, and even
me producing on some of his projects, you know what
I mean. So you know family tree Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely a family tree.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well that was a song, was it really.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
It's not? Yeah yeah huge.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah yeah, okay, okay you produced that with me only
family yeah, I think so yeah, we got this. This
what happens when your lessend you got, when you got
so much here you can get. That's that Jesus, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But listen, I want to they tell us you have
to wrap because I know you guys have a lot
going on, you know, with the project coming out infinite
but congratulations, absolutely love it. It's like perfectly right up
my alley. You know, I'm definitely one of those women
that huge Mob Deep fan.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'll let me know have.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
His yeah, because already you.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Know, you already know though you guys are with.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Flower on this side to both of y'all, thank you,
Thank you both y'all.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
And you know I'm an Alchemist fan too.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
So well, man, Mob Deep you know, this is this
is landmark. This is like you know, classic legendary, iconic shit.
So to be able to have this record come out
right now with twenty five minute connected y'all, you know,
showing the love and from my brother Havoc, like this
mob deep is still here, you know what I'm saying.
So that's why, you know, we got to celebrate it
and you keep the sound alive, and I think that's
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what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How was it for you listening to some of those
verses that you put on the project, you know, because
I have to imagine that's not while it also can
feel like amazing, right, but it's also difficult.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I mean, man, like when you listening too certain verses
where he like, yo, see you on the other side,
and all of that is like he had premonitions, you
know what I mean, Like he full saw a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's kind of tough.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It definitely is listening to him acapella with no beat
behind it. But you know, when you're making an album,
you got a job to do and you got to how.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
To stay focused. But it's definitely a challenge.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, well, we appreciate it. Thank you so much for
coming through Infinite October tenth. The tour is happening with
Ray Kwan, the album with Method Man.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know you're on tour right now with Freddie Gibbs.
Anything with Erica Bad, what's going? Okay, the record's done
when it comes out.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
I need I got one more plug.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I got one more plug.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
They could check me out on Shape four five every
Sunday at three pm Eastern Standard time, The Infamous Hour World.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We can never forget that. I know you got some stories.
You haven't even all the stories is coming to that.
But this one more thing with this book. What is
this book that you're working on?
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Oh no, I was talking about I got a radio
show on the earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You said that is coming.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Oh yeah, the book is coming. It's called The Silent Partner.
I got a lot to say, Okay, not so silent.
I cannot wait, man, listen.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I love when people are able to tell the stories
from their own point of view because we need that.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
You know what I'm saying at so appreciate y'all.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I appreciate you, and yo, I love seeing what you do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, it's been a long time. Shout to Angela.
You know what I'm saying. Shout to my brother may
no this, Nope, I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Listen, long time, yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Long time and killing see and you kill It only
makes sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So straight up appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Thank you, guys,
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's way up for Angela. It feels like it's gonna
be messy today because Mano's here.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, we've been drinking.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Simtoces Alchemist is here aka Alan the Chemist, I'm here,
I'm here, and Havoc is here. What a celebration charity, y'all. Man,
this is amazing, like another classic album.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How does it feel?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Man, it feels real good. It feels good, infinite long overdue,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
On the first album since a Prodigy passed away, Mob
Deep has some unfinished business, you know what I mean,
and just wanted to kind of go out with a
bang here.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I just want to tell you man, as a as
an avid Mob Deep fan, I'm here for it. I
try to tell you as much as I can when
I see you how much uh, the Mob Deep music
influenced me what it did for me when I was
I blocked Elmira you know, you know five Gallery going
through it right, and what that meant for me. So
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I always want to give y'all y'all credit because for
me and this is no pandement or nothing. Mob Deep
to me is the greatest two man group ever that's
and I've been on that, I mean agreement.
Speaker 7 (01:14):
I'm standing on it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Classic classic classic music. I listen on a superficial level.
Mob Deep meant a lot to me going to the
tunnel as a child, you know, as a child, yeah,
as a in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
But you know, and it's great to have both of
you here today.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So both of you produced this album fully is either
alchemists are having and what a great combination has always
been just to see you and you know Alchemists the
I think people always have to acknowledge, like the consistency
that you've had from just a young age, you know,
from the hooligans man the nineties, from the nineties to now.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
A lot of people cannot like keep that going.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't even know how you have, like the catalog
that you do, or how you're even able to produce
the way that.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
You are, Like I love it, man, Come on, think
about this job we have, like you know what I mean,
Like I get to do what I love to do.
From day one, I would have done this anyways just
for fun because it's something that's spiritual and something I love.
But then we found a way to monetize it. Come on,
that was I mean when I was fifteen, I went
on tour ninety three, the Solar Sassin's Tour, So you
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know that just the whole life up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That fucked my life up.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
And I got to see it, you know what I'm saying,
because they were doing it at the time, Cypress Hill,
House of Pain.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
They were, and I was on it. We can't forget that.
Speaker 8 (02:36):
I was a kid on tour with them and I
saw it like when in school for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And then I moved to New York.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You know, you were from New York for real, like,
but hooking up with them changed everything.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Now you hooked up with because I was unclear because
I was.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
I was onto the mall since really ninety five, right,
since since the infamous Then you came.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
A little later order music album they had, But you did?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You did?
Speaker 7 (03:02):
You did Prodigy solo album right?
Speaker 8 (03:04):
That was around the same time of Murder Music. Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I was a fan just like you.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
When I met having Pete, I was stuck.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
This is mab deep.
Speaker 8 (03:15):
You know, I was already just a super fan living
in New York underneath mugs and they let me rock
like that. You think, how that how much that meant
to me?
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Think of y'all worked with them too.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
It was it was y'all did a song with with
Mugs and them, right, So yeah, yeah, like a B
side or something.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It was it was it a compilation or something. It
was something album.
Speaker 8 (03:38):
I think even just that was and then I was
just moved to New York and just but think about it,
like Half is one of the greatest producers of all time.
Once I met him, it was already like that. So
the fact that he let me rock, you know what
type of confidence that gave me, Like then you got
p We had the best time. He was the best
rock period.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Own chemistry for Tom right, y'all had like you know,
H and I C and a lot of those like
y'all had your own.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Separate chemistry was blessed. That was very visible.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
I mean, think of the connection to Mam Deep. The
magic is that I just I was. I was so
close to it and some of the juice fell off
and I was able to be around pe a lot
and we developed the lane too.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
That was like running side to side with Mam Deep.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
How does collaboration work like in those early days because
you know, both being producers, both producing on the albums,
like you know, even like being like I don't like that,
or being like, yo, that's dope, Like how was that
ego wise? Because sometimes that could be difficult, especially as
young people coming in the game.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Well for me, like luckily we didn't have those moments
where I'm like, nah, I don't like that. You know
what I'm saying because not saying that because he's sitting here,
but he was a dope producer as soon as I
met him. You understand what I'm saying that, which you know,
I'm a life student, so it inspired me from day's second.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know what I'm saying. Second second.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
The first second, your energy wasn't like, man, who this
guy trying to.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Come in here and do like you wasn't nah na nah,
I wasn't even you know, because that's just my personality.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Like if something's dope, part of me that didn't mean
to curse.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But it's okay, you know, mad times, oh.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Nah, because you would.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Think that somebody like nah, what you crazy? I'm producing
all of this, Like you know what I'm saying. But
if somebody's dope and dope and he's in he has
the opportunity to be in the camp. I'm like you know, cool,
and I get the opportunity to fall back and write more.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Because I'm a rapper first, you know what I mean.
So I'm like, oh, thanks, somebody's coming in.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know, when you guys first came into the game
and with juvenile hell y'all arello on Fourth and Broadway
and you had some big producers on a couple of
big producers on their Premier was a producer on that
project and large Professor?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How did that even happen back then? Was that the
label setting that up?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Or was that you guys with your relationship because I
always more than nowadays people DM people they hook up
on social media, but then in real life, you guys
were teenagers.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
How did people take you seriously at such a young.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Age because the content that we was, you know, coming
with you know, like when Primo first heard us, he
was like oh snap. And you know, of course the
label we told the label like yo, we like Premier,
we like launched a professor, So they reached out and
got these people for us. But when those people got
with us, they was like, oh nah, these kids is
actually dope. So Primo came to our house like to
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chill with us and viob with us.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
He didn't have to do that lost professors from queens
and he came and vibed. So it was was what
me and Prodigy was making that made it just like
real comfortable for them to just come and killed us.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Do you remember your first song that ever got on
the radio?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Yeah, it was like hit it from the bag.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
That video videot was in the water water in Queensbridge.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Well, like all these artists coming out of one New
York City project, like that was to me. I was
I was super like interested in that, Like I couldn't understand,
like how so many Like how was it back then?
Like when you come out, you got nas over here,
get you over here, you got so many different artists
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like check it.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Like so when you're growing up in Queensbridge, the first
person that you learned about or first people you learned about,
it's EMPCC Rock, Seene Schante, Molly mal and these people
are coming back to the hood like every other week,
and you seeing them, you know what I'm saying, Like,
imagine you eight years old and you're ten years old
and you see these people, they look larger than life
to you, right, and so you kind of catch that
(07:37):
bug immediately from there, You're like, okay, I'll play a
little bit basketball.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's all right. I'm not that good.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I'm not tall enough, you know what, But I could,
you know, I could, I could write, I could rap,
and you know, so I just took that line.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I always feel like you've been the more low key
one too, because I'll never forget. And you know, of course,
rest in peace to Prodigy. When he put that book out,
boy he opened up all kinds of cant but it's
such an I enjoyed it and I appreciate it because
he even was able to tell things about himself. I
think sometimes when people write books about themselves, they don't
want to ever be critical of themselves or like tell
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the truth about that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But I felt like he was all in with it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean I wish that I could write something like that,
you know what I mean. But I mean, a book
is coming, I bet, yeah, that book.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The book is coming.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
But yeah, like you know, that was peeven out spoken.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And you know that was good for me because I
got a chance again to like kind of pull back
and just because I am naturally just the child one,
you know what I mean, Like, you know, for.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Real, like that you ended up in the middle of
all kinds of things, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, the saying thanks to you know,
mister p himself.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
But I mean, but then you know, at the end
of the day, I'm writing.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
For my dog, like you know what I'm saying, even
if it's it's not my beef, but now I'm standing.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
For an eye. Your beef is mine.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Hey, No, that's real, like and that's how that's how
it is back at home and all about hoods, right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like, yo, that's my man.
Speaker 9 (09:03):
He might be wrong, but.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
With him, so I.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Know, because I like to have such legendary like my
favorite albums are Infamous, Murder Music, Hell on Earth, right,
did y'all know, like the Infamous like that. When I
was writing that, like that was gonna be what it
was like what it became.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yo, It was such a nervous time, Like you understand
what I'm saying. You got illmatic is out right. We
were talking about the juvenile hell that didn't do so
good commercially, right, so our backs were kind of up
against the world. So it was just like kind of
like a test for us, Like you know what I mean,
Like what y'all gonna do?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I mean, wu Tang is our label mates, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 9 (09:46):
So like I mean the bar is like super high,
Like what.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Are you going to do from your project?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And everybody's playing his music yours? You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's all these people on the album too.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Right, because Shook Ones afforded us that, right, Like we
made shook Ones early when we started making an album
and that came out and we had to work that
record for like a year, and everybody started believing in
us once that record started getting it.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
They worked that record for a year, for the whole
year we worked out before.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
It became Yes, it came out ninety four, really, but
ninety five is when it popped.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Them records like that. Back then, the hit record used
to grow legs and just walk out the room for
six months, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (10:28):
Stream it record had life back then.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You had to listen to the radio and record it
off the radio on a cassette to be able to.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Hear it again.
Speaker 8 (10:36):
But you know, but that's crazy because y'all were making
the album with that was that was hot already, right,
so I guess ray and confident.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, and and listen, we all know, we all know
these people not sting the rat with us.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If just because he was from his neighborhood he wouldn't
have did that.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That might be more reason not to right, I'm good,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I'm trying to beat y'all. But nah, So that just
speaks to the record that we put out. And you know,
we didn't know to answer your question or not. We
didn't know what we was making, but we knew we
had to make something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
So that was just yo, that might I just realized
that three album run might be one in that conversation.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You know, they always talking about the best three albums
in a row Infamous one hundred.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But you know, think about the people that you collaborated
with too, Alchemists, Like you've done a lot of collab projects.
That's a great run too, Jessica.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
I got to work with some of the best and
people I really genuinely love, and most of them we
built like an actual friendship too.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So it was like.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Even Pete really is funny because Return of the Mac
was probably the first one I did like that where
I got to produce a whole project because at that time,
me and him was really locked in. And it was
around the time after the g Unit album. I remember,
because we put the record out and it was cooking,
but they were kind of people were kind of like
fronting on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Us a little bit.
Speaker 8 (11:59):
And I remember Pee was like, we gotta show him son,
we gotta get the streets hot. And we were talking
about he used to wear the MAC ten chain.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I said, remember join him onf used to have that chain.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
He was like, yeah, we should do a tape like that.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
That's why we called a Return of the Mac because
it was a returner to that era and he just
was trusting me, and I was able to make a
whole plate because I wasn't doing whole albums yet. You know,
he was the first and then that from then I
could name, you know, ten different records that I was
lucky to do.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And it's good because you have the legends, but then
you also have no problem working with the newer artists too.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You know, I think that you know Freddy Gibbs, he's
not as you know, but he's still newer as far
as eras wise you know so, and it's just interesting
to me also because you know how hip hop is
the people that don't get along with people, but you
managed to, like unscathe work with everybody.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
It gets sticky sometimes, you know, I gotta play play right,
you know. I just like to be I just always
say I'm like, I'm Geneva, you know what I mean.
I try to be Switzerland in the situation and just
like I'm you know what I mean, I'm here to
make music and relationships. You know, it's sometimes it gets
tricky because we're all men, and you know, but I
try to be right, even you know, during the time when.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Damn, I ain't even gonna tell talk about that. I
don't want to bring back old stuff.
Speaker 8 (13:16):
But there were times when there was issues and you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Know, like NAS and.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Well well yeah, actually it wasn't like major funk, but
at the time with NAS and P when they had
their little they had some issues. That was when I
went to work with NAS on GODSN and I definitely
asked for Pee. I told P and y'all, like, yo,
you know, someone money. If P would have said, I
don't think I would have. And that's because I really
rocked with Mob Deep like that. We were like family.
(13:45):
But Yo, p was like, go make some heat. He
was really like that. He was like, go go give
him some heat. He was never the type to ever.
He was a team player. He supported everything we all did.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He was and even you being from the West coast
people sometimes but thinking that you were like on the
coast sided.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Things, I don't. Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
What I'm saying, like, because sometimes it's just who you
rock with, sure, and you can get caught up in
something and you'd be like, I ain't got nothing to.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Do with nothing that happens.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
You notice the streets schedule or twine with the music
sometimes and you know you just gotta play it right.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
But being down with mob I was.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
In Mob Deep, so I could tell you various shows
were in the middle of the show, close.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Up the equipment, we out of here, gotta go.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
It's usually Connecticut, they're live, they get busy in Connecticut,
but it was never it was just and it was
shows where we would come out of the show on
the way to the van and the car pull up
and like, Yo, momsde we love y'all, and just pull
out a forty five just to show us.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
That They were thorough over too, but we were like,
we're out of here.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
We don't know who the fuck it.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Is because we got nothing to do. Yeah, you know,
it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I was telling man, know that when I was younger,
when I was in college, I also did photography. I
gotta find these pictures because I have pictures from going.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
To a Mom Deep show.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But it was early on and there were so many
people on stage. I was like, I don't know who's
in the group because it was early on and people
did not used to know it was only two of them,
and they would be like thirty people on stage and
we're looking like who is rapping?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I can't even see who the person is holding a mic?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (15:14):
I mean yeah, we had to kind of like, you know,
as the years went on, kind of like, you know,
show you who we are by like just me and Prodigy.
But I think in that era of the nineties when
hip when artists used to you know, try to make it,
and when they did make it, the hood.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Was happy for them.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Bring everybody say everybody's coming, like it wasn't a reckless movement.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Everybody was happy.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I was like, if the stage is going to collapse
on it, I.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Always set a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
I always felt like Noid was the third member, yeah, officially,
unofficially like he was like the third member because he
stayed so close to y'all, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
And he's on this new album too.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
He is on this new album and like main No
Si No, it is like the unofficial third Mob Deep
member who I still bring on the road to this
day when I'm performing. And you know, you know, Prodigy
can't be replaced, but damn that Noid energy is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And he was there, and he was there, Yeah it
makes sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And he does a great job. And I got a salute.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Big noise you did you did recognize and realize I did, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
And I want to say with this new Infinite project,
it doesn't sound like you're trying to be like music
that's out today. It kind of it feels like a
classic My Deep album, and that's what I think was good.
It's not like chasing the sound of what's happening now.
It kind of feels like modern but nostalgic still at
the same time.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Right, he laid out a sound from day one with
Mob Deep. You know, through those three albums, we were
talking about he laid the script out for even me
to come through an add on. So I feel like
it was a grain. It was a you know, that's
one thing mab Deep had over other groups. They had
an internal producer who was in charge.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Of the sound that that helped to define a sound.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
And then now moving forward, we just felt like we
could just because we we're in real time, we listening
to stuff. Now we always add new elements to the beats,
but you know, we know the mob Deep sound because
of Half. So I felt like when we got together,
I was just following his lead and have always made
the majority of mob Deep albums. Anytime I would just
come through an ad two or three joints and that's
(17:29):
that's how.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
We did it.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Again is a banger.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
That was you know for p like I made that beat.
It was like who else with this beat before?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And it sounds perfect?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And I want to say, we were in here listening
and I thought, mana was when I tell you, I
said gunfire, you got to do like an unofficial remix
or something, because right, I felt like that's your vibe.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Man, I mean, I know, let's go.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
We still make beats for Pee every day. I make
beats for Pee every day. Still I'm make being been
like damn in mine for sure, I'd be like Pete
would have loved this.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I still do it. I'm stuck like it's forever, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And then working with the Clips too finally, like that
was that was an amazing moment to have this on
this project too. And the timing of it I think
is perfect being that they're coming off of their project.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, I mean, look, that's how the universe works, right,
Like we wanted that Clips feature, right, so we got it,
and we didn't even know that they was working on
the album, you know what I mean, We didn't know
they was working on the album. Next thing, you know,
before we even put our album out here comes Clips
with this legendary run like you know what I mean.
(18:37):
And so I couldn't be more thankful. Just the universe
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Now, Another thing that I want to talk about is
starting off the album with against the World and putting
that song out talk to me about even because I
know everything matters when it comes to a project like this,
So against the World as the first song tell me,
the vibe and the feeling behind why that is how
we opened it up.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Well, Alchemists saw it another way. I saw it another way,
but both.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Ways it's dope.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
The reason why I, you know, I wanted Against the
World to go first on the album is because there's
a part in the song actually towards the end of
the song with Prodigies like, Yo, I love you have
see you on the other side, you know what I mean?
And even before that, he comes on saying I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
So it's like, you know, it's just it's such you's.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
The tone yo, man, losing the brother, right, we all
know we lost family members, and I know you lost
your brother only kill a black Yeah, well, p It's
just we all knew that he had, you know, his
his sickle cell or whatever. But so suddenly yeah, yeah,
(19:49):
and and y'all like the one of the highest touring groups,
right like at that point, did you feel like you
didn't want to do more mall Deep music?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Man? You know it's that that's a that's a loaded question.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It's kind of difficult to answer because in one sense,
it's like Prodigy is.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Not here, mab Deep is over.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
You understand what I'm saying, mall deep is this is
no Mob Deep, but we do still have a legacy
that we want to continue. You understand what I'm saying.
So when Prodigy passed away, I didn't immediately think like damn,
you know what I mean, Like what am I gonna
do with Torn? It just kind of like happened naturally.
It's like, yeah, you know, like over time, it's like, yo,
(20:34):
let's just go out. And because if I don't perform
shook Ons, who's gonna perform it? You understand what I'm saying.
And I believe that's a really dope song for people.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
To So.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
We do that, you know, and we just do it
to the best of the ability that we can do it.
And like I said, there's no replacing Prodigy, but you know,
it's just one of those things.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
How does it also feel that for both of you,
everybody that you came up with in the game is
like really still doing big things like seeing Copona Noriega
and doing drink chams, or seeing Joe and Jada having
their podcast together, or you know, just seeing all these
people that you're like, damn, we all came in this
like and we're still here and still making money and
still just really killing it. Like isn't that a great
(21:26):
feeling when you can go and see those people that
you actually know and have history with and have stories
with and can be like and not. It's like being
on mass appeal records and you know, doing this whole
legend has it campaign being part of that that has
to feel like an amazing And.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You have a song on here called my era.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
But to see everybody from you know, your era still
out here, like yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
I mean I love seeing my friends win. I don't
know about you, Like you know they got that saying
it's lonely into the top?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Who made that up?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Got to be at Why I got to be lonely
at the top.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Why can't we all be at the top together? I
never understood that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
But that's why, though, because being at the top alone
is lonely, that's what you meant.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
But we need our friends to win, we do.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
We do need them win with us, and seeing everybody
win is like the best thing to me. I love it,
But it also is a testament to if it's something
you love and it's in your heart, because you know,
you could come into this game and get paid quick
and get up out of it, and you could just
squeeze the towel and just take the bread and jet
what A person like Jada or Fad Joe or the
people you mentioned, we love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you can see it. You know.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
It's not like they're just doing it to cash in,
And it was never that. And so the fact that
now everybody's in the winter circle, come on, it only
makes sense, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you remember the first time you had you actually
turned down a big check. I read something where you
were talking about it feels good that I don't have to,
like just because it's a couple hundred thousand dollars, I
don't have to take it because I need the money.
You just do what it is that you want to do.
When did you get to that point when you recently?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Really that changed everything? Just saying no, yo, my man
Action Bronson shot at my brother. He really put me
on because he used to say no. He said, just
say no, and the price is gonna double. There used
to be a time when I was like, what they got,
I gotta take that. You know, I used to be
a little more nervous, But now I realize You got
(23:20):
to know your worth. You got to know when to
be like nah, because they're gonna come back and be like,
all right, what you need and you'll be like, oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Like that the whole time.
Speaker 8 (23:29):
So I've learned and also saying, God, we were able
to find a way to make this music economical, make it, you.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
We have a way. There's an ecosystem now with the
vinyl and the merch selling direct to consumer tours.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We do good without radio, without any of that. We
all have.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
You know, I'm gonna sold out tour with Freddie Gibs
right now. We're doing shows every night. So it's like
that's the blessing, you know what I mean. So I
just feel thankful to be able to do it and
even still do it and have it, have all of that.
Come to twenty five, we got a new mom Deep album.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
How much? What could be better? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So what about you have?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like do you remember when do I remember, like when
you were finally able to be like.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I'm I hate the brag, but it's been a lot
of time.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, you know it feels good.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
No, no, no, no, no, it feels it feels good
because there has been times a lot of times that
I was like I'm not turning that down, like you
know what I'm saying, Like now give me that bread,
you know what I'm saying. And even though we might
be in a good position now, just the the pt
is deep from it make me just want to take
all the money.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
You know, I'll be like, what.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Like a squirrel just.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know, thinking about also iconically being on Loud Records
at a time when everybody was on loud records.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Yeah, that's Steve Rifkin.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
How much fun was that though?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Being because I remember, you know, I used to work
at Wu Tang, So going up to Loud Records, y'all
have people working there. I remember he worked in the mill. Yeah,
you got people jobs Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It was it was like family.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
We know it was business, but it felt like family,
you know what I'm saying. And then you got Wu
Tang on the label. You got a big pun.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You know what I'm saying. It's wall deep. So going
up to the label is like you.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Don't know who you going to, never know who's there,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
It's just it was a beautiful time you've.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Always had all the security, right.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It was dope.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And I saw when you signed to loud Records because
you know, obviously coming off like the first deal, that
was your second deal, right, signing to loud Records. So
when you went up there and putting something together, like,
Steve gave you guys a lot of freedom to kind
of put it together how you wanted to.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Gave us the freedom. He was like, yo, y'all could
do what y'all want.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Just do you know, I trust y'all whatever, because he
loved the demo and that was the recipe for something
great to come.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
It was just a demo, that trust.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
It was just a.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Demo, like you know what I mean, because look, man,
you would have when you that young.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
You know what I'm saying, and you fail.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
You automatically bounce right back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So that's what we did, Like you know what I mean.
The first project didn't work.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We get the Steve Rifkin, he just got a cubicle.
He said, Yo, man, just do what you want to do,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
But by the way, here take this wutang CD all
you know, and we're like all right, what's this?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All right? Cool?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
We on a label with the best group in hip
hop of all time and don't even know it, you
understand what I'm saying, But we quickly found out and
it was.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
Just it was a beautiful tome like you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
It feels like early on you guys had a great
connection with ra Kwan too, like that.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Was yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know him and Ghosts,
Ray and Ghosts, they kind of reminded us of like
kind of like the Big Brother Mob Deep, like you know,
it was like a group in themselves, right, you know
what I mean. So naturally we are brilliant.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Y'all had chemistry every time y'all worked together, you know,
like you know that that that Mob Deep Rain, Ghosts,
y'all felt like y'all was.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
A little mini crewl like Nighttime Vultures, you know the
rest of that right back.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
And and and me and Ray Kuan got a tour
coming up in November where we celebrating the thirtieth anniversary
of the Cuban Links and the infamous album.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So yeah, yeah, we just was in rehearsals yesterday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
We're gonna have rehearsals rehearsals and everything I've been.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
I've been on ray before though, that's my guy and listen.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And aren't you and Meth working on something?
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, finally, like we call it our COVID album like before.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, we started it since COVID and still didn't finish it.
But you know the methods like you.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
Have them put you in a head loger and you
see you know, he dieseled.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I like how he's putting it. Keeps being like, yeah,
the album's coming.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, no, no, it really is, it really is.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
We've been in the studio consistently for the past I
would say, six weeks and we were finishing it up
and it's definitely gonna come out.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Also, nas Is on three songs on this project on
Infinite was that I feel like maybe he was hearing
it and being like, y'all I gotta get on that,
Like how did that happen?
Speaker 5 (28:28):
I mean, it's always a blessing to get a nas verse,
but you know, fortunately we had three songs that he
definitely wanted to get on, and I definitely wasn't going
to say no.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Has he ever done three songs on anyone's album before?
I felt like that's a hard thing to get.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Nas picks and shoeses who he wants to work with.
But y'all always, I mean y'all had tons.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Of songs with Nas yeah man, like yep, and even
me producing on some of his projects, you know what
I mean. So you know family tree Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely a family tree.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well that was a song, was it really.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
It's not? Yeah yeah huge.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Yeah yeah, okay, okay you produced that with me only
family yeah, I think so yeah, we got this. This
what happens when your lessend you got, when you got
so much here you can get. That's that Jesus, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
But listen, I want to they tell us you have
to wrap because I know you guys have a lot
going on, you know, with the project coming out infinite
but congratulations, absolutely love it. It's like perfectly right up
my alley. You know, I'm definitely one of those women
that huge Mob Deep fan.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'll let me know have.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
His yeah, because already you.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Know, you already know though you guys are with.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Flower on this side to both of y'all, thank you,
Thank you both y'all.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
And you know I'm an Alchemist fan too.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
So well, man, Mob Deep you know, this is this
is landmark. This is like you know, classic legendary, iconic shit.
So to be able to have this record come out
right now with twenty five minute connected y'all, you know,
showing the love and from my brother Havoc, like this
mob deep is still here, you know what I'm saying.
So that's why, you know, we got to celebrate it
and you keep the sound alive, and I think that's
(30:25):
what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How was it for you listening to some of those
verses that you put on the project, you know, because
I have to imagine that's not while it also can
feel like amazing, right, but it's also difficult.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I mean, man, like when you listening too certain verses
where he like, yo, see you on the other side,
and all of that is like he had premonitions, you
know what I mean, Like he full saw a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's kind of tough.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
It definitely is listening to him acapella with no beat
behind it. But you know, when you're making an album,
you got a job to do and you got to how.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
To stay focused. But it's definitely a challenge.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, well, we appreciate it. Thank you so much for
coming through Infinite October tenth. The tour is happening with
Ray Kwan, the album with Method Man.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
You know you're on tour right now with Freddie Gibbs.
Anything with Erica Bad, what's going? Okay, the record's done
when it comes out.
Speaker 9 (31:23):
I need I got one more plug.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I got one more plug.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
They could check me out on Shape four five every
Sunday at three pm Eastern Standard time, The Infamous Hour World.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
We can never forget that. I know you got some stories.
You haven't even all the stories is coming to that.
But this one more thing with this book. What is
this book that you're working on?
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Oh no, I was talking about I got a radio
show on the earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You said that is coming.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Oh yeah, the book is coming. It's called The Silent Partner.
I got a lot to say, Okay, not so silent.
I cannot wait, man, listen.
Speaker 9 (31:55):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I love when people are able to tell the stories
from their own point of view because we need that.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
You know what I'm saying at so appreciate y'all.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I appreciate you, and yo, I love seeing what you do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know, it's been a long time. Shout to Angela.
You know what I'm saying. Shout to my brother may
no this, Nope, I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Listen, long time, yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Long time and killing see and you kill It only
makes sense, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
So straight up appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Thank you, guys,
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