Menopause Talk: Dr. Peggy, Coach Gessie & Victoria Caldwell Break Down the Signs, Struggles & How Men Can Help
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up. It's way up with Angela. Yee, and welcome
to this conversation today. You know, Coach Jesse's always bringing
a knowledge, and today's conversation is one that every woman
needs to hear and talk about. And men, y'all need
to hear this, and kids who have parents, who's a mom?
You need to hear this real, okay, because this affects everybody.
We're talking about menopause and perimenopause and what they really
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are with their not how can we navigate this season
of life and power and without panicking. So coach to
Jesse Thompson, the founder of Detox, Now we're here to
have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Man, you know, and this is like real near and
dear to me Angela, because personally, I actually started my
journey of holistic health when I hit menopause prematurely, because
after battling fibers for fourteen years, I ended up having
to have a partial hysterectomy. Well, I was told that
was the only solution I had where they left my ovaries,
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so I was not supposed to end up in menopause.
But here I was forty four years old, and literally
the wheels fell off all right, we're talking about sex.
Went from feeling like how did Halle Berry say? She
said it was like death by a thousand razor blades,
That's what it was like. Okay, and I'm like, this
can't be you know. And I just I'd been through
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five IVF cycles, so that means I was already had
a journey of pumping my body with synthetic hormones in
order to stimulate you know, your hormones for the IVF cycles.
And I just said, well, I'm not gonna go pump
my body with more hormones.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I need a natural solution.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You know. For some that may be the way they chose,
but I was like, this can't be it. So that
really is what started me looking for natural solutions and
my journey to what ended up me founding the detox
now because I learned that when I started working on
balancing my hormones and getting high healthy levels of D
three D three levels, that I was able to now enjoy,
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enjoy joy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That was straight into menopause. It was that perimenopause, because
how do people know the difference?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So okay, so well that's a good you know again,
So that's why I'm so happy to have our guest today,
which is going to be a one of my favorite
women's health providers, doctor Peggy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Oh yeah, that's my doctor. I gotta come back.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Thank you so much. Thank you for the first Thank
you so much for trusting us with your care, and.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
For cross the street from my coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Was very good.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
By the way, I was literally.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
You know, stalking the doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was like, she's right across the street and she's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So that was the first year she's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This is such a needed conversation, and we need to
normalize perry menopause and menopause, right, because every woman will
go through this transition. And so when we start the
conversations early with our young women, we include our young
men and the men and the communities, we start to
see a shift in how we deal with especially women,
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because women are suffering in silence.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Absolutely, So how do you know, like what is the
difference between So from my knowledge, perimenopause is what happens
before menopause and it's more gradual. Right, So when I
went to the doctor, they tested me because after the hysterectomy,
I said I would call my gys as something drastically wrong,
like things have changed drastically.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He you know, tested my hormones. He's like, well, yeah,
you're in menopause. It was like I skipped.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So that's how you can test your hormones to know.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, So that's such a good question because that's that
you don't know with perimenopause, right, and menopause. So metopause
is when you've had no period for twelve months, right,
But the perimenopause is that period of time that Coach
Chessie's talking about where you don't feel like yourself and
you don't know what's going on, and that can happen
anywhere from seven to ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It is more severe in women of color and it
lasts longer in women of color. And what we're finding
a clinical practice is that perimenopause is starting as early
as the late twenties.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Now and yeah, late.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Twenties, and women are going into full menopause in their thirties,
which is crazy, insane. And women will come in and
just say, I don't feel well, something is going on,
I don't feel like myself, and they're looking for answers.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think this is why we need to talk about
the myths, right, because you know that number one is
that people think that it happens overnight.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It does not.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, I always hear just like hot flashes. That's
a big one. Yes, people are always like hot flashes
must be menopause, you know. But let's introduce Victoria.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We got to well, so the reason Victoria is so important?
So okay, Victoria Victoria call Well, she's a life and
growth strategist and you know, founder of Team Impress, and
here she was finding like her whole life was going
upside down right.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right, because like Angela, you asked, how do you know, Well,
I didn't you know that my nurse well, I had
so many of them come through, said okay, you're in perimentopause.
I'm like, okay, well I didn't feel any different in
twenty twenty, and then you know, the hot flashes came
and I'm like, okay, I heard my mom talk about
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going through the change, and then that was the only
indication I had. And then things started like going downhill gradually,
and then it just started to just accelerate and everything
was happening all at the same time. And then I'm
sitting here like wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Like when you say everything.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, the hot flashes, the night sweats, the hair thinning. Well,
what really topped it off for me was when I
got married and then I started having the frequent UTIs
and then the BV because they give you treatment, and
then the moisture your shoes. And I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
These were after she got married and it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Happened immediately.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Something wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I was picking Jesse all the time and I was like,
this is this is not good?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And did you discuss with your husband being newly married,
like I don't know what's going on or was it
something that you feel like, let me figure this out.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, it was a little bit, we both because I
was kind of, you know, going off the rails a
little bit, and so we were just really trying to
figure it out. But he's very patient. I was like,
you're one, like he got patience, like joke like, and
he was just really comforting and really you know, encouraging
like okay, and I said, they say his paramopause, but
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I don't recall all of this being a part of this,
Like I don't know if this is part of it.
And then I started and You're like, yeah, that's that.
I'm like well, how many more of these things do
I have to deal with? And I just you know,
I know you got sick of me.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Probably but never And how old were you well at
that time when you were the superimenopause.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, I'm still getting there, but I just don't feel
like it now. I don't. Yeah, I was. I started
feeling it two years ago. I got married December will
be two years. So I started feeling it about three
years ago. But then I got married two years ago
and that's when everything started. And I'm looking at him
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like okay. And I know everybody else wanted to say,
maybe it's him, you know, right, but I'm like, but
the hot flashes are not him.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know these things, right, because you were like every
time you were intimate, you were.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Like yeah, And I'm like okay. And the first UTI,
because I never had a UTI, so the first youth, no,
I had one once years ago and so I went
to that I had a fever for three weeks. They
didn't know what it was and that was really bad
because they got really I told the doctor, I said
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I think I have a UTI, and he said, you don't.
I think he was a little bit crazy too, but
that's just my personal opinion, because I mean, it's it's
on the results, right, you know, you can kind of
see them. They don't have and I'm like, either you're somebody,
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please just don't give him a license.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But AnyWho, they didn't validate your concern that, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And he didn't invalidate it. He invalidated it because I said,
you know, I think at this point because we got tested.
I got tested for COVID, I got tested for the flu.
I'm sitting here sick with fevers for weeks and nothing.
And when I finally got to a point that I
could recognize, oh the burning or whatever, oh, this is
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probably a UTI. And it turned out so by the
next by the time they addressed it, they were so
scared because because of the potential kidney problems that you
can speak to better.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You could become.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know, it's serious, That's what I'm saying. It being
her having so continue ahead.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And and that was the start of you know, this
was two weeks after I got married. So I'm sitting
here like, okay, I'm suffering from then. And then the
BV all of this stuff started just coming right after it,
right after it.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And then I'm to put on antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Put me on antibiotics. And so after one, I'm like, okay,
got over that one, and then they came back and
I'm like, why is it coming back over and over
and over again. So I go to the doctor and
I said, you know, they keep coming back, and so
he said, what we're going to do? He said, well,
we could put you. He said, it's called post coito
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post How do you say that? Of course? Okay, thank you?
U T I s And I was like, is that
a thing?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So that's like when they tell you you have to
urinate after sex, you get a uti.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But that urating and pressing and that's going.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then you think you might get from your man
like yeah, because that's what's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Going on your head now You're like.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You're and I'm like, but he told me that, And
I said, is there another solution? He said, yeah, he
ain't gonna like it. I'm like, so his solution was
to take an antibiotic every time.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You want.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That, and I'm looking at him. He's like, well, you
don't have to take it every day, just the days
you're that And I'm like, do you know how my
husband is set up? Like like, this is real, y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's why I said she had to come share a story.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And it's like, you don't have to take it every day.
And I'm like, that's almost what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You don't know what's going on is but yeah, he
basically basically he had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I didn't say. He was just yea and didn't care
to find out.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So okay, So what happened after that?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So you know, finally, yeah, I was reaching out, but
then they told me because I didn't know you Yeah,
and and so you know, Jesse's so patient. I don't
know because I was. I was really going through it,
and she she got me some help and I have not.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, I sent her the bouncer kit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It was the bouncer kit which was the hormonal balance
of the D three.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So what's your D three level?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That was the Oh yeah, I was like I don't know.
So went and got that, checked got my G three
levels and it was like, oh they're they said they're normal.
She was like, what are the levels? And I said,
were this thirty? She was like no, that's a struggle.
She was like, you need to get it to at
least eighty and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
That's and they told me it was normal.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And then in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well from that point, my my, my D three levels
went to ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, no, no, I'm talking about what happened on the journey.
Continue on your journey.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Oh my gosh. See it's so much.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, like there's so much, because you.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Know, it was just coming at me like right left, right, left,
right left, and so I went to get my levels checked,
that's one thing, and then they said they were normal.
Jesse said, no, so I told you to.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Take about seventy five hundred IU and yeah, because we
need to get your number up. Yeah, right, and then
they got I got up.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
To ninety nine and then they told me okay stop
and I'm like, but why because they're ninety nine. They
were like wall you, which.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Was wrong because she needed to lower how much she
was taking to five drops. But at that point you're
balancing your hormones at the same time, so you're on
the balancer kit.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm on the balancer kit. And after three weeks, hot
flashes just stopped.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
She was like, okay, this is a good fine, yeah, completely.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And my poor friends because we were in one of
these restaurants and I was like, oh, it's hot in here. Now.
They got sweaters and I'm like, isn't it hot in here?
And they're like no, no, And I'm like they're like,
you're just flashing because they were used to flash.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I was in a restaurant with somebody who got a
hot flash. While we were at the restaurant, she was
in the bathroom and she texts me like, can you
prease bring me some ice?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And I went in the bathroom. She was dripping, literally
ripping sweat, and she's, I guess a hot flash is
going to pass suit. You know that we don't have
so bad? Does everyone get hot flashes?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So only seventy to eighty percent of women's hot flashes,
it's a lot. I definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And that's the other thing. I'm always cold. So when
I started like exactly is this and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's the thing, most women are like, wait a minute,
what's going on here? And it's because we have estrogen
receptors all over our bodies and that helps with thermal regulations.
So when you are estrogen is declining, your body is
unable to regulate your body temperature. And so that's why
you feel this heat that's coming from within and you
have the night sweats, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You can't heat in the apartment.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You got your own heat. And I was like, oh,
my husband know where they come. He's like, you're flashing,
but it will pass. Three weeks and three weeks, I
haven't had a hot flash since. Like that was jealous.
That was June. I started because you know, I'm always testing,
you know, just like I do with my work. You know,
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I have to test. And I was like, okay, I'm
not going to do the water fast yet. I want
to test just with all of that stuff that's going
I want to test it. I want to isolate the variables.
I just want to, you know, because that's how I
do it, you know, So I gotta see that this
is working by itself. And three weeks, no more hot flashes.
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I still haven't had a fat flash.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
And then and you know, because of my other fibroid surgeries,
I wasn't regular, like I always had to take something
to go to the bathroom, you know, to have a
bowel movement to poop regularly. And it just started coming
like every day, and I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Was like, okay, funny because I get them message.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Like indications huge, you know if.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That was big for me because I had to always
take something. I'm like, I was buying stuff to take
just to make me go regularly. And I guess it
was from the scar tissue or what. I don't always
tell me.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
The hormones and your guy god biome is very important.
To the vaginal biome is important. And going back to
your symptoms, you are experiencing genitor urinary symptoms of menopause
where you have recurrent urinary tract infections. Women will have
a recurrent of vaginal infections like BV and yeast, and
you will also have the painful intercourse and the vaginal
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dryness because of the loss of astrogen.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
She was, what, what lubricants can I use?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Watching this right is just the world.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
We're just talking.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But I called. I was like, you know, can you
recommend a good lubricant. I've never had that problem before,
And she did, But now I don't need that anymore, okay,
So I was telling her I don't even need it anymore.
But I was going, I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But you know, I also feel like things like that
do mess with you mentally, ye in your relationship because
it's not just the okay, you know, I need It
makes you feel bad, like why do I have to
do this?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Think about it also feeling as someone who's newlywed, you're
also feeling like, right, I'm broken, you know, like, oh
my god, he's having to go through all this.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I promised you and it's not you, and it's not you.
It's hell. It's hell because before you just it was
always fine before and then it's.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like, look you said, because if you're with somebody and
they're going through this, you know it's not you, sir.
It's not anything that you're doing. And she needs to
know also because a lot of times people just don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
That's a good thing, because sometimes a man can feel like, oh,
is she not aroused by me?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It is because of the change in the vaginal pH right,
because of the hormones.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And I think it's it's segues to how important it
is to bring men into the conversation. And you know,
I recently curated the event not only educating women but
also educating men and bringing them into the conversation on
what women are going through, what the transitions like. And
we were able to give some tips in terms of
how men can support their partners during this time, including
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accompanying them to the appointments so you're hearing firsthand what
is going on and you have the opportunity to ask
the questions. Also having that real conversation, and I think
that as couples don't have the real conversations in terms
of sex and intimacy and what that is and why
you're going through those things. And then also creating a
safe comfort station at home so when your hormones are
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fluctuating and you're just not feeling well, you have a
place where you can have some time to yourself, to
regroup and to really really get in tune with yourself,
and then you're ready to address the.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So it's very important meant to understand this transition and
it doesn't go away. Every woman goes through it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I can say that, you know, the other thing
is once a woman gets a hold of certain things
that are triggers in terms of their symptoms like that
can worsen.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I think that was a huge piece.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Like for me, I knew I didn't want to take
you know, any any kind of hormones, and once I
got a handle of the D three deficiency, the hormonal
balance and my stressors right. Navigating that that was a
huge piece and I never found myself in the place
where I was in menopause hell anymore?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And I think for you, what what has been the
journey for you? Like the ut I is around that?
Did you ever have that again?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
No? No, no, no, well because I haven't been no
post coital no no, no, no, all good there good,
there's no no, no, We're good now. But I knew
it was I knew something was off, and I just
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wasn't getting the answers. And you like because I didn't know,
You said, how do we know? We don't?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
We just and parentmenopause can last for.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, seven to ten years. It's more severe with women
of color. And it's that in between time where it
can mimic a lot of other chronic conditions. So you're
going to so many different specialties and they may not
know what's going on. So I always tell women it's
important to rule things out and make sure that there's
nothing else going on. And where perimenopause is a diagnosis
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of exclusion, it's a clinical symptom. And also during this time,
women can develop chronic conditions become insulin resistant, where they
become pre diabetic or has diabetes or high cholesterol. And
the thing is that that weight gain that they get
and they haven't changed their diet and they feel lost.
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And it's up to us as healthcare providers to provide
an integrative, personalized approach to really addressing the concerns that
these women have.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's true, you know, because you brought up another point
where providing that, because when I was talking to you
about my healthcare professionals, you know, treating it as if
it was something, you know, as if it wasn't that serious. Yes,
like oh this is just normal, and it's like okay,
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but like suffering.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's very similar to how it's been normalized for women
to have heavy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Periods, right when that's an indication.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And something something you said which was so important, which
was that it mimics other symptoms that could be consistent
with other conditions. And when we talk about black women
experiencing them worse, well, two of the key things that
are drivers. Well, guess what D three deficiency is actually
prevalent amongst people of color because of our melon and
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blocking the absorption of the sun. We talk about that
all the time because if our if we're more D
three deficient, right, and then even this is really important
if you're listening, If your doctor tells you that your
D three is normal, ninety percent of the women that
when I talk to them and their doctors say, oh,
they said my D three is normal.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Say the next question, I.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Say, well, what is your number? I get that question
and then guess what when?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
When?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
When?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
When you told her it was thirty five? And that's
what I call struggle bus D three right. Struggle bus
is you're not going to make it through menopause, fibroids,
all those things conditions because D three, it's the superstar,
deals with hormonal balance, chronic reduces chronic inflammation, It helps
with your immunity, strengthening your bones, cardiovascular protection.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Is overall huge.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So if we're being mis educated when it comes to
D three being something that disproportion affects us as people
of color, we are now at higher risk and we're
dealing with more severe symptoms because that one thing, right, Right,
and then of course there's the trauma of racism and
other things that we deal with that cause us to
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deal with more hormonal imbalance and more chronic inflammation, right,
because we're more stressed.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
How important is also physical activity when it comes to
more important than aerobic when it comes to menopause.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Absolutely, I tell women to move.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I think it's important to move during this time and
it's good for our bones. Losing our estrogen is very,
very detrimental to our bones and it can lead to
bone loss. So I always say, you know, you can
walk inside your house if you're unable to get to
a gym, but you have to move. Your weight training
it's very important because it also releases properties to bring
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down that insulin resistance. And it is and it doesn't
have the weights.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It can be you know, calisthetics, it can be cycling, Yeah,
it could be cycling.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It could be rowing. You know, I like to row.
I have a rower because even going through this people
gain weight. A lot of us gain weights, and we're like,
we cannot get this weight off, and.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
They think that aerobic activity is I'll do more aerobic No,
do more strength training. That actually is going to target
it better. Actually, when you're going through the hormone.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Changes, especially in the midsection, because that's where because again
it's a redistribution of fat that happens from the decline
of estrogen. And to your point, you know, resistance training
is really going to help calibrate that midsection. And they're
also nutrition that is extremely, extremely important. And I always
truss the antioxidants. How important that is in your diet. Yes,
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the vitamins A, C, and E. And it's not just
one thing. And we were discussing, I wish it was
one thing throughout this transition.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think it's never just one thing, right, thyroids or endo, perimenopause, menopause.
It's it isn't one thing because it really is like lifestyle,
so affects how it shows up in our lives.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What are some things we should look for to know that, like, okay,
this could potentially be menopause or perimenopause.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
First, listen to your body. Women know what's going on
with themselves. Uh, you know when it comes to perimenopause,
between irregular periods, irritability, moodiness, more moodiness, you're snapping at people,
a little bit, more brain fog, you're not remembering things.
I get patients who come in and that says, you know,
I've been doing the same job for the last ten years,
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but I still can't just get it together. Insomnia waking
up at that witching hour between two and four.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
In the morning, and that's connected to D three too, absolutely,
So it makes it worse or better depending on that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And also not you know, palpitations. Some women may think
they're having a panic attack or a heart attack, ringing
in the ears. You know, you don't really usually think
about that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Ignoring snoring, Yeah, people think, oh, I just all of
a sudden started snoring. Well, that actually is connected to
perimenopause too, absolutely, Like it's it's it's it's not it's
it's so whole body that you don't realize. You're like, oh,
I'm just aging, I'm just getting bad. I'm just No,
you're you don't and you don't have.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To suffer through it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think that that's the joy of it is that
we don't have to suffer through it. We can actually
reclaim our joy by getting the right support, getting in
the right community, you know, and understanding like, Okay, my stressors,
my my bounce, my hormones, my nutrition, and it doesn't
have to feel overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
No, not at all. It takes a couple of appointments
sometimes and I sit down with patients and we go
through their symptoms and it shared decision making. I want
you to feel empowered to make the decision about your health.
So we talk about all the treatment options and then
we talk about what do you feel is best for you,
and to know that you're supported with whatever decision you make.
And sometimes we may need to pivot, we may start
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one thing and then pivot to another. But it's very
important to know that there are options and treatment options
out there management and you do not have to just
bear with it that that's like the bane of my
existence with I just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Because just the world out there is just like you're
just it's just, oh, you're just going through the change.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So that's what's going to happen, so dismissive.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I think with men, something that came up I
think was the fact that helping them understand that intimacy
doesn't always just have to be you know, like sexual
in that time and can also just because if you go,
if you're adjusting, if you're you're finding yourselfself in that place.
The communication is the key, absolutely absolutely, And I give
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women tips all the time when it comes to intimacy
because you know, most often women come in and they're like, listen,
I love my partner, I'm still attracted, but I just
physically don't feel like I want to engage in your
real Yeah, and that's the thing, and you have to
see what works for you and your relationship and to
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know that it's okay, it's okay not to be okay.
And then we talk about different tips and you know,
resources that will help them get through this time. Awesome.
I want to wrap up, Victoria, how did this affect
you professionally as well? Because I know we talked about personally,
because I mean a lot of women don't acknowledge the
fact that they're at work and they are suffering and
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it's just supposed to be okay.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You know some of the stuff I'm learning here and
I've learned through you that like the brain fog, like
the forgetting stuff I know very well, and I'm like,
wait a minute, like just my clarity on things that
I just couldn't just I've gotten more done in the
last few months than I've done in the last eighteen
months in terms of just the momentum. And you know,
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my ideas are so much better. My execution is so
much better. But I didn't even realize that that was
part of it too, because I'm sitting here, like she said,
ringing in the years and I'm like that too. Now
that wasn't as frequent, but I had it. I'm like,
where is that coming from? But I might have had
one or two, but it was uncommon.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
How do you deal with that in the workplace then,
because it's one thing to have a conversation with your
significant others, a whole nother thing at work to have
to explain to.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That's a good absolutely. So there is a movement now
where the Metopause Society has put out a guidance for
workplaces to adopt a metopause policy where you know, and
it has different things to support women during this transition.
Also is seen as you know, you can have FMLA
with menopause because you need that time. It could be
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it could be something as you know, keeping the temperature
in the office down, okay, it can be as simple
as that, or having a respite room for a lot
of these women too, and then also not making them
feel batter or pointing out certain imperfections or when the
work is not getting done as swiftly as before. So
there is a guidance. And you know, I've spoken to
many organizations regarding what HR can do to help support
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their employees going through this, and I say, I employ
the employers out there to really look at this policy
because your employees, you know, it's going to make a difference,
and they need to know that they're supported not only
at home but at work.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We got a nature we keep on continuing these conversations
because it's important because, like you said, we're all going
to go through this, yes, and we don't, and we
can do it one of two ways, suffering or because
we're going through it, you'll go.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Through it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Thank you, thank you. I'm so grateful, thank you so
much for allowing you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm just greatful you living on the other side of
it now.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, And I'm really excited because you know,
it's just did the water fast and I've done it twice,
but this one I think I did. I did more
in the seven days than the fourteen, Okay, because I
did the fourteen two years ago and then I did
the seven and so I'm just really.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Was like, I'm getting so much done, so much. That's good.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, I'm getting a lot of stuff. So so I'm excited.
I feel good and you know I'm still gonna continue.
I'm you know you don't. You don't treat people in care.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know who listens to you like this big thank you,
thank you, shares who doesn't feel it's only one way
and we'll support you absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Doctor Peggy Sander. They alarms found right and she's like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And to my fellow healthcare providers out there, we have
to listen to women. We have to listen and be
able to support them through this transition. And I can't.
I can't stress the importance of an integrative, personalized approach
because we may have recommendations, but we have to listen
to what is going to work well for that patient
and to also be culturally competent when we're doing it
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as well.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That part, yes, all right? But where can people find? Everybody?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Here? So you can find us at Trust Women's Healthcare.
We have physical locations in Bethstei, Brooklyn and Deer Park,
Long Island. We're on all social media platforms at Trust
Women's Healthcare, and we are at nine to nine seven
eight trust and.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
If you are waiting for your appointments, you could right
go right to the cup, right across, right across, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
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not stress their teams out as well. And you know,
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as well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Come to Jesse Detox.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we love y'all. Thank you for
always thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
This is always an important conversation for us to continue
to have. So I thank you guys for making time today.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's way sharing my other updates.
What's up. It's way up with Angela. Yee, and welcome
to this conversation today. You know, Coach Jesse's always bringing
a knowledge, and today's conversation is one that every woman
needs to hear and talk about. And men, y'all need
to hear this, and kids who have parents, who's a mom?
You need to hear this real, okay, because this affects everybody.
We're talking about menopause and perimenopause and what they really
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are with their not how can we navigate this season
of life and power and without panicking. So coach to
Jesse Thompson, the founder of Detox, Now we're here to
have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Man, you know, and this is like real near and
dear to me Angela, because personally, I actually started my
journey of holistic health when I hit menopause prematurely, because
after battling fibers for fourteen years, I ended up having
to have a partial hysterectomy. Well, I was told that
was the only solution I had where they left my ovaries,
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so I was not supposed to end up in menopause.
But here I was forty four years old, and literally
the wheels fell off all right, we're talking about sex.
Went from feeling like how did Halle Berry say? She
said it was like death by a thousand razor blades,
That's what it was like. Okay, and I'm like, this
can't be you know. And I just I'd been through
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five IVF cycles, so that means I was already had
a journey of pumping my body with synthetic hormones in
order to stimulate you know, your hormones for the IVF cycles.
And I just said, well, I'm not gonna go pump
my body with more hormones.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I need a natural solution.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You know. For some that may be the way they chose,
but I was like, this can't be it. So that
really is what started me looking for natural solutions and
my journey to what ended up me founding the detox
now because I learned that when I started working on
balancing my hormones and getting high healthy levels of D
three D three levels, that I was able to now enjoy,
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enjoy joy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That was straight into menopause. It was that perimenopause, because
how do people know the difference?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So okay, so well that's a good you know again,
So that's why I'm so happy to have our guest today,
which is going to be a one of my favorite
women's health providers, doctor Peggy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Oh yeah, that's my doctor. I gotta come back.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Thank you so much. Thank you for the first Thank
you so much for trusting us with your care, and.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
For cross the street from my coffee shop.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Was very good.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
By the way, I was literally.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
You know, stalking the doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I was like, she's right across the street and she's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So that was the first year she's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
This is such a needed conversation, and we need to
normalize perry menopause and menopause, right, because every woman will
go through this transition. And so when we start the
conversations early with our young women, we include our young
men and the men and the communities, we start to
see a shift in how we deal with especially women,
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because women are suffering in silence.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Absolutely, So how do you know, like what is the
difference between So from my knowledge, perimenopause is what happens
before menopause and it's more gradual. Right, So when I
went to the doctor, they tested me because after the hysterectomy,
I said I would call my gys as something drastically wrong,
like things have changed drastically.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
He you know, tested my hormones. He's like, well, yeah,
you're in menopause. It was like I skipped.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So that's how you can test your hormones to know.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, So that's such a good question because that's that
you don't know with perimenopause, right, and menopause. So metopause
is when you've had no period for twelve months, right,
But the perimenopause is that period of time that Coach
Chessie's talking about where you don't feel like yourself and
you don't know what's going on, and that can happen
anywhere from seven to ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It is more severe in women of color and it
lasts longer in women of color. And what we're finding
a clinical practice is that perimenopause is starting as early
as the late twenties.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Now and yeah, late.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Twenties, and women are going into full menopause in their thirties,
which is crazy, insane. And women will come in and
just say, I don't feel well, something is going on,
I don't feel like myself, and they're looking for answers.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think this is why we need to talk about
the myths, right, because you know that number one is
that people think that it happens overnight.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
It does not.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You know, I always hear just like hot flashes. That's
a big one. Yes, people are always like hot flashes
must be menopause, you know. But let's introduce Victoria.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
We got to well, so the reason Victoria is so important?
So okay, Victoria Victoria call Well, she's a life and
growth strategist and you know, founder of Team Impress, and
here she was finding like her whole life was going
upside down right.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Right, because like Angela, you asked, how do you know, Well,
I didn't you know that my nurse well, I had
so many of them come through, said okay, you're in perimentopause.
I'm like, okay, well I didn't feel any different in
twenty twenty, and then you know, the hot flashes came
and I'm like, okay, I heard my mom talk about
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going through the change, and then that was the only
indication I had. And then things started like going downhill gradually,
and then it just started to just accelerate and everything
was happening all at the same time. And then I'm
sitting here like wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Like when you say everything.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, the hot flashes, the night sweats, the hair thinning. Well,
what really topped it off for me was when I
got married and then I started having the frequent UTIs
and then the BV because they give you treatment, and
then the moisture your shoes. And I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
These were after she got married and it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Happened immediately.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Something wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I was picking Jesse all the time and I was like,
this is this is not good?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And did you discuss with your husband being newly married,
like I don't know what's going on or was it
something that you feel like, let me figure this out.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, it was a little bit, we both because I
was kind of, you know, going off the rails a
little bit, and so we were just really trying to
figure it out. But he's very patient. I was like,
you're one, like he got patience, like joke like, and
he was just really comforting and really you know, encouraging
like okay, and I said, they say his paramopause, but
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I don't recall all of this being a part of this,
Like I don't know if this is part of it.
And then I started and You're like, yeah, that's that.
I'm like well, how many more of these things do
I have to deal with? And I just you know,
I know you got sick of me.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Probably but never And how old were you well at
that time when you were the superimenopause.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, I'm still getting there, but I just don't feel
like it now. I don't. Yeah, I was. I started
feeling it two years ago. I got married December will
be two years. So I started feeling it about three
years ago. But then I got married two years ago
and that's when everything started. And I'm looking at him
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like okay. And I know everybody else wanted to say,
maybe it's him, you know, right, but I'm like, but
the hot flashes are not him.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You know these things, right, because you were like every
time you were intimate, you were.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Like yeah, And I'm like okay. And the first UTI,
because I never had a UTI, so the first youth, no,
I had one once years ago and so I went
to that I had a fever for three weeks. They
didn't know what it was and that was really bad
because they got really I told the doctor, I said
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I think I have a UTI, and he said, you don't.
I think he was a little bit crazy too, but
that's just my personal opinion, because I mean, it's it's
on the results, right, you know, you can kind of
see them. They don't have and I'm like, either you're somebody,
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please just don't give him a license.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But AnyWho, they didn't validate your concern that, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And he didn't invalidate it. He invalidated it because I said,
you know, I think at this point because we got tested.
I got tested for COVID, I got tested for the flu.
I'm sitting here sick with fevers for weeks and nothing.
And when I finally got to a point that I
could recognize, oh the burning or whatever, oh, this is
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probably a UTI. And it turned out so by the
next by the time they addressed it, they were so
scared because because of the potential kidney problems that you
can speak to better.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
You could become.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know, it's serious, That's what I'm saying. It being
her having so continue ahead.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And and that was the start of you know, this
was two weeks after I got married. So I'm sitting
here like, okay, I'm suffering from then. And then the
BV all of this stuff started just coming right after it,
right after it.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And then I'm to put on antibiotics.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Put me on antibiotics. And so after one, I'm like, okay,
got over that one, and then they came back and
I'm like, why is it coming back over and over
and over again. So I go to the doctor and
I said, you know, they keep coming back, and so
he said, what we're going to do? He said, well,
we could put you. He said, it's called post coito
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post How do you say that? Of course? Okay, thank you?
U T I s And I was like, is that
a thing?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So that's like when they tell you you have to
urinate after sex, you get a uti.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But that urating and pressing and that's going.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
And then you think you might get from your man
like yeah, because that's what's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Going on your head now You're like.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
You're and I'm like, but he told me that, And
I said, is there another solution? He said, yeah, he
ain't gonna like it. I'm like, so his solution was
to take an antibiotic every time.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
You want.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That, and I'm looking at him. He's like, well, you
don't have to take it every day, just the days
you're that And I'm like, do you know how my
husband is set up? Like like, this is real, y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's why I said she had to come share a story.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And it's like, you don't have to take it every day.
And I'm like, that's almost what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You don't know what's going on is but yeah, he
basically basically he had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I didn't say. He was just yea and didn't care
to find out.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
So okay, So what happened after that?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So you know, finally, yeah, I was reaching out, but
then they told me because I didn't know you Yeah,
and and so you know, Jesse's so patient. I don't
know because I was. I was really going through it,
and she she got me some help and I have not.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, I sent her the bouncer kit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It was the bouncer kit which was the hormonal balance
of the D three.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So what's your D three level?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
That was the Oh yeah, I was like I don't know.
So went and got that, checked got my G three
levels and it was like, oh they're they said they're normal.
She was like, what are the levels? And I said,
were this thirty? She was like no, that's a struggle.
She was like, you need to get it to at
least eighty and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
That's and they told me it was normal.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
And then in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well from that point, my my, my D three levels
went to ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, no, no, I'm talking about what happened on the journey.
Continue on your journey.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Oh my gosh. See it's so much.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, like there's so much, because you.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Know, it was just coming at me like right left, right, left,
right left, and so I went to get my levels checked,
that's one thing, and then they said they were normal.
Jesse said, no, so I told you to.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Take about seventy five hundred IU and yeah, because we
need to get your number up. Yeah, right, and then
they got I got up.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
To ninety nine and then they told me okay stop
and I'm like, but why because they're ninety nine. They
were like wall you, which.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Was wrong because she needed to lower how much she
was taking to five drops. But at that point you're
balancing your hormones at the same time, so you're on
the balancer kit.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm on the balancer kit. And after three weeks, hot
flashes just stopped.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
She was like, okay, this is a good fine, yeah, completely.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And my poor friends because we were in one of
these restaurants and I was like, oh, it's hot in here. Now.
They got sweaters and I'm like, isn't it hot in here?
And they're like no, no, And I'm like they're like,
you're just flashing because they were used to flash.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I was in a restaurant with somebody who got a
hot flash. While we were at the restaurant, she was
in the bathroom and she texts me like, can you
prease bring me some ice?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And I went in the bathroom. She was dripping, literally
ripping sweat, and she's, I guess a hot flash is
going to pass suit. You know that we don't have
so bad? Does everyone get hot flashes?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So only seventy to eighty percent of women's hot flashes,
it's a lot. I definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And that's the other thing. I'm always cold. So when
I started like exactly is this and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's the thing, most women are like, wait a minute,
what's going on here? And it's because we have estrogen
receptors all over our bodies and that helps with thermal regulations.
So when you are estrogen is declining, your body is
unable to regulate your body temperature. And so that's why
you feel this heat that's coming from within and you
have the night sweats, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You can't heat in the apartment.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
You got your own heat. And I was like, oh,
my husband know where they come. He's like, you're flashing,
but it will pass. Three weeks and three weeks, I
haven't had a hot flash since. Like that was jealous.
That was June. I started because you know, I'm always testing,
you know, just like I do with my work. You know,
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I have to test. And I was like, okay, I'm
not going to do the water fast yet. I want
to test just with all of that stuff that's going
I want to test it. I want to isolate the variables.
I just want to, you know, because that's how I
do it, you know, So I gotta see that this
is working by itself. And three weeks, no more hot flashes.
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I still haven't had a fat flash.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
And then and you know, because of my other fibroid surgeries,
I wasn't regular, like I always had to take something
to go to the bathroom, you know, to have a
bowel movement to poop regularly. And it just started coming
like every day, and I.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Was like, okay, funny because I get them message.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Like indications huge, you know if.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That was big for me because I had to always
take something. I'm like, I was buying stuff to take
just to make me go regularly. And I guess it
was from the scar tissue or what. I don't always
tell me.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
The hormones and your guy god biome is very important.
To the vaginal biome is important. And going back to
your symptoms, you are experiencing genitor urinary symptoms of menopause
where you have recurrent urinary tract infections. Women will have
a recurrent of vaginal infections like BV and yeast, and
you will also have the painful intercourse and the vaginal
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dryness because of the loss of astrogen.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
She was, what, what lubricants can I use?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Watching this right is just the world.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
We're just talking.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But I called. I was like, you know, can you
recommend a good lubricant. I've never had that problem before,
And she did, But now I don't need that anymore, okay,
So I was telling her I don't even need it anymore.
But I was going, I don't need it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But you know, I also feel like things like that
do mess with you mentally, ye in your relationship because
it's not just the okay, you know, I need It
makes you feel bad, like why do I have to
do this?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Think about it also feeling as someone who's newlywed, you're
also feeling like, right, I'm broken, you know, like, oh
my god, he's having to go through all this.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I promised you and it's not you, and it's not you.
It's hell. It's hell because before you just it was
always fine before and then it's.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like, look you said, because if you're with somebody and
they're going through this, you know it's not you, sir.
It's not anything that you're doing. And she needs to
know also because a lot of times people just don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
That's a good thing, because sometimes a man can feel like, oh,
is she not aroused by me?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It is because of the change in the vaginal pH right,
because of the hormones.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And I think it's it's segues to how important it
is to bring men into the conversation. And you know,
I recently curated the event not only educating women but
also educating men and bringing them into the conversation on
what women are going through, what the transitions like. And
we were able to give some tips in terms of
how men can support their partners during this time, including
(18:05):
accompanying them to the appointments so you're hearing firsthand what
is going on and you have the opportunity to ask
the questions. Also having that real conversation, and I think
that as couples don't have the real conversations in terms
of sex and intimacy and what that is and why
you're going through those things. And then also creating a
safe comfort station at home so when your hormones are
(18:29):
fluctuating and you're just not feeling well, you have a
place where you can have some time to yourself, to
regroup and to really really get in tune with yourself,
and then you're ready to address the.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
So it's very important meant to understand this transition and
it doesn't go away. Every woman goes through it.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But I can say that, you know, the other thing
is once a woman gets a hold of certain things
that are triggers in terms of their symptoms like that
can worsen.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I think that was a huge piece.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Like for me, I knew I didn't want to take
you know, any any kind of hormones, and once I
got a handle of the D three deficiency, the hormonal
balance and my stressors right. Navigating that that was a
huge piece and I never found myself in the place
where I was in menopause hell anymore?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And I think for you, what what has been the
journey for you? Like the ut I is around that?
Did you ever have that again?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
No? No, no, no, well because I haven't been no
post coital no no, no, no, all good there good,
there's no no, no, We're good now. But I knew
it was I knew something was off, and I just
(19:46):
wasn't getting the answers. And you like because I didn't know,
You said, how do we know? We don't?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
We just and parentmenopause can last for.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, seven to ten years. It's more severe with women
of color. And it's that in between time where it
can mimic a lot of other chronic conditions. So you're
going to so many different specialties and they may not
know what's going on. So I always tell women it's
important to rule things out and make sure that there's
nothing else going on. And where perimenopause is a diagnosis
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of exclusion, it's a clinical symptom. And also during this time,
women can develop chronic conditions become insulin resistant, where they
become pre diabetic or has diabetes or high cholesterol. And
the thing is that that weight gain that they get
and they haven't changed their diet and they feel lost.
(20:37):
And it's up to us as healthcare providers to provide
an integrative, personalized approach to really addressing the concerns that
these women have.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's true, you know, because you brought up another point
where providing that, because when I was talking to you
about my healthcare professionals, you know, treating it as if
it was something, you know, as if it wasn't that serious. Yes,
like oh this is just normal, and it's like okay,
(21:06):
but like suffering.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's very similar to how it's been normalized for women
to have heavy.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Periods, right when that's an indication.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And something something you said which was so important, which
was that it mimics other symptoms that could be consistent
with other conditions. And when we talk about black women
experiencing them worse, well, two of the key things that
are drivers. Well, guess what D three deficiency is actually
prevalent amongst people of color because of our melon and
(21:35):
blocking the absorption of the sun. We talk about that
all the time because if our if we're more D
three deficient, right, and then even this is really important
if you're listening, If your doctor tells you that your
D three is normal, ninety percent of the women that
when I talk to them and their doctors say, oh,
they said my D three is normal.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Say the next question, I.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Say, well, what is your number? I get that question
and then guess what when?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
When?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
When?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
When you told her it was thirty five? And that's
what I call struggle bus D three right. Struggle bus
is you're not going to make it through menopause, fibroids,
all those things conditions because D three, it's the superstar,
deals with hormonal balance, chronic reduces chronic inflammation, It helps
with your immunity, strengthening your bones, cardiovascular protection.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Is overall huge.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So if we're being mis educated when it comes to
D three being something that disproportion affects us as people
of color, we are now at higher risk and we're
dealing with more severe symptoms because that one thing, right, Right,
and then of course there's the trauma of racism and
other things that we deal with that cause us to
(22:46):
deal with more hormonal imbalance and more chronic inflammation, right,
because we're more stressed.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
How important is also physical activity when it comes to
more important than aerobic when it comes to menopause.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Absolutely, I tell women to move.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I think it's important to move during this time and
it's good for our bones. Losing our estrogen is very,
very detrimental to our bones and it can lead to
bone loss. So I always say, you know, you can
walk inside your house if you're unable to get to
a gym, but you have to move. Your weight training
it's very important because it also releases properties to bring
(23:20):
down that insulin resistance. And it is and it doesn't
have the weights.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It can be you know, calisthetics, it can be cycling, Yeah,
it could be cycling.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
It could be rowing. You know, I like to row.
I have a rower because even going through this people
gain weight. A lot of us gain weights, and we're like,
we cannot get this weight off, and.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
They think that aerobic activity is I'll do more aerobic No,
do more strength training. That actually is going to target
it better. Actually, when you're going through the hormone.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Changes, especially in the midsection, because that's where because again
it's a redistribution of fat that happens from the decline
of estrogen. And to your point, you know, resistance training
is really going to help calibrate that midsection. And they're
also nutrition that is extremely, extremely important. And I always
truss the antioxidants. How important that is in your diet. Yes,
(24:12):
the vitamins A, C, and E. And it's not just
one thing. And we were discussing, I wish it was
one thing throughout this transition.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I think it's never just one thing, right, thyroids or endo, perimenopause, menopause.
It's it isn't one thing because it really is like lifestyle,
so affects how it shows up in our lives.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What are some things we should look for to know that, like, okay,
this could potentially be menopause or perimenopause.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
First, listen to your body. Women know what's going on
with themselves. Uh, you know when it comes to perimenopause,
between irregular periods, irritability, moodiness, more moodiness, you're snapping at people,
a little bit, more brain fog, you're not remembering things.
I get patients who come in and that says, you know,
I've been doing the same job for the last ten years,
(25:02):
but I still can't just get it together. Insomnia waking
up at that witching hour between two and four.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
In the morning, and that's connected to D three too, absolutely,
So it makes it worse or better depending on that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
And also not you know, palpitations. Some women may think
they're having a panic attack or a heart attack, ringing
in the ears. You know, you don't really usually think
about that, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Ignoring snoring, Yeah, people think, oh, I just all of
a sudden started snoring. Well, that actually is connected to
perimenopause too, absolutely, Like it's it's it's it's not it's
it's so whole body that you don't realize. You're like, oh,
I'm just aging, I'm just getting bad. I'm just No,
you're you don't and you don't have.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To suffer through it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I think that that's the joy of it is that
we don't have to suffer through it. We can actually
reclaim our joy by getting the right support, getting in
the right community, you know, and understanding like, Okay, my stressors,
my my bounce, my hormones, my nutrition, and it doesn't
have to feel overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
No, not at all. It takes a couple of appointments
sometimes and I sit down with patients and we go
through their symptoms and it shared decision making. I want
you to feel empowered to make the decision about your health.
So we talk about all the treatment options and then
we talk about what do you feel is best for you,
and to know that you're supported with whatever decision you make.
And sometimes we may need to pivot, we may start
(26:26):
one thing and then pivot to another. But it's very
important to know that there are options and treatment options
out there management and you do not have to just
bear with it that that's like the bane of my
existence with I just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I just just.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Because just the world out there is just like you're
just it's just, oh, you're just going through the change.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So that's what's going to happen, so dismissive.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
And I think with men, something that came up I
think was the fact that helping them understand that intimacy
doesn't always just have to be you know, like sexual
in that time and can also just because if you go,
if you're adjusting, if you're you're finding yourselfself in that place.
The communication is the key, absolutely absolutely, And I give
(27:14):
women tips all the time when it comes to intimacy
because you know, most often women come in and they're like, listen,
I love my partner, I'm still attracted, but I just
physically don't feel like I want to engage in your
real Yeah, and that's the thing, and you have to
see what works for you and your relationship and to
(27:35):
know that it's okay, it's okay not to be okay.
And then we talk about different tips and you know,
resources that will help them get through this time. Awesome.
I want to wrap up, Victoria, how did this affect
you professionally as well? Because I know we talked about personally,
because I mean a lot of women don't acknowledge the
fact that they're at work and they are suffering and
(27:58):
it's just supposed to be okay.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
You know some of the stuff I'm learning here and
I've learned through you that like the brain fog, like
the forgetting stuff I know very well, and I'm like,
wait a minute, like just my clarity on things that
I just couldn't just I've gotten more done in the
last few months than I've done in the last eighteen
months in terms of just the momentum. And you know,
(28:22):
my ideas are so much better. My execution is so
much better. But I didn't even realize that that was
part of it too, because I'm sitting here, like she said,
ringing in the years and I'm like that too. Now
that wasn't as frequent, but I had it. I'm like,
where is that coming from? But I might have had
one or two, but it was uncommon.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
How do you deal with that in the workplace then,
because it's one thing to have a conversation with your
significant others, a whole nother thing at work to have
to explain to.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
That's a good absolutely. So there is a movement now
where the Metopause Society has put out a guidance for
workplaces to adopt a metopause policy where you know, and
it has different things to support women during this transition.
Also is seen as you know, you can have FMLA
with menopause because you need that time. It could be
(29:12):
it could be something as you know, keeping the temperature
in the office down, okay, it can be as simple
as that, or having a respite room for a lot
of these women too, and then also not making them
feel batter or pointing out certain imperfections or when the
work is not getting done as swiftly as before. So
there is a guidance. And you know, I've spoken to
many organizations regarding what HR can do to help support
(29:36):
their employees going through this, and I say, I employ
the employers out there to really look at this policy
because your employees, you know, it's going to make a difference,
and they need to know that they're supported not only
at home but at work.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
We got a nature we keep on continuing these conversations
because it's important because, like you said, we're all going
to go through this, yes, and we don't, and we
can do it one of two ways, suffering or because
we're going through it, you'll go.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Through it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Thank you so much for sharing.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Thank you, thank you. I'm so grateful, thank you so
much for allowing you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm just greatful you living on the other side of
it now.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, And I'm really excited because you know,
it's just did the water fast and I've done it twice,
but this one I think I did. I did more
in the seven days than the fourteen, Okay, because I
did the fourteen two years ago and then I did
the seven and so I'm just really.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Was like, I'm getting so much done, so much. That's good.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, I'm getting a lot of stuff. So so I'm excited.
I feel good and you know I'm still gonna continue.
I'm you know you don't. You don't treat people in care.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I know who listens to you like this big thank you,
thank you, shares who doesn't feel it's only one way
and we'll support you absolutely.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Doctor Peggy Sander. They alarms found right and she's like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And to my fellow healthcare providers out there, we have
to listen to women. We have to listen and be
able to support them through this transition. And I can't.
I can't stress the importance of an integrative, personalized approach
because we may have recommendations, but we have to listen
to what is going to work well for that patient
and to also be culturally competent when we're doing it
(31:34):
as well.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That part, yes, all right? But where can people find? Everybody?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Here? So you can find us at Trust Women's Healthcare.
We have physical locations in Bethstei, Brooklyn and Deer Park,
Long Island. We're on all social media platforms at Trust
Women's Healthcare, and we are at nine to nine seven
eight trust and.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
If you are waiting for your appointments, you could right
go right to the cup, right across, right across, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And I'm at teamimpress dot com and I'm helping leaders
lead better, not stress themselves out scale without burnout, and
not stress their teams out as well. And you know,
the very same things that we talk about. We address
the stress and everything from a performance so sustainable high
(32:23):
performance for the leaders to teams, and the cash flow
as well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Come to Jesse Detox.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we love y'all. Thank you for
always thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
This is always an important conversation for us to continue
to have. So I thank you guys for making time today.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's way sharing my other updates.
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