July 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Shakur Stevenson Talks Tank Davis, Turning Down $15M, J Prince's Financial Advice + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up his way up at Angela. Yee, my guy
Kaz is here with me. Yes, say, for the first time,
and what a great day for you to come cuts
your courts. Stevenson is here super excited.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
To hear from what's going on Channel Doing all Right,
Doing all Right?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
New York resident, You're here fighting for the first time,
first boxing match ever in the tennis arena, in the
tennis stadium in Queens. I know you get a lot
of opportunities to have great fights, but how do you
feel fighting and was close to be your hometown?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I mean, it feel good. It feels like history gonna
be made. I feel like since I'm the first one
in the arena, i gotta leave with Mark, so I'm
coming to make a statement and I'm gonna put on
a performance of a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel like that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
There's been a lot of talk about that too, because
you know your defensive style. It's very controversial, y'all, a
little floyd to it. But you know how important is
it to not just winning, but to put on a
great show and what is close to being your hometown?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, for me, I want to shut a lot of
people up. So I'm gonna shut a lot of haters up,
a lot of doubters. I'm gonna be on point, I'm
gonna be sharp. But people that's hating on my defense,
they can keep hating on it because they gonna see
that at that night too.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know, this is gonna be what a lot of
people are saying, are your toughest fight to date? It
can be, yeah, you said it can be. Maybe maybe not,
but it is also going to be exciting just because
of you know, the different fighting styles that both of
you guys have. So when it comes to training for
something like that, how is that different for you adapting
your style or he's got to adapt to you.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
He got to adapt to me for sure. But honestly,
I'm kind of like excited because it's a new challenge.
I never thought nobody who throws this many punches around.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Ever, so and that's exciting already. So I think that's
going to bring the best out just because I can't
wait to see how that's gonna affect the way that
you fight too.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, I think it's gonna take me to a new level.
I think we did a lot in training camp to
prepare for it, So I think he's going to bring
the best out of me, and I think July twelfth
we will us.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So how's training in Houston just now? Because I know
you go to Houston, you leave home, you have to
go there kind of block everything else out. How do
you feel now being back here and how it's Houston?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Uh, this camp, we actually trained in Houston. We usually
don't train in Houston for to get ready for the fights.
But I mean, I love camp. I kind of blocked
away the noise on. I stayed in my comfort zone
at times, but then I got out of my comfort
zone at time. So it was a great training camp.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Did you say you have social media at times?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, but then like I get back on and talk
a little shit at times.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I saw you like you don't have to respond to
everything I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I feel I feel like you got right because you
talked about Hey, this is talk about social media. You
know cam and made so that is this podcasts back
and forth that.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, sometimes it's just fun. You know, somebody gonna say
their opinion about you, Why you can't go give your
opinion about them right.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
In fact, But then it makes it bigger and then
it turns into like because sometimes you talking to somebody
like a random person. Let's say that gives them a
lot of attention, and then now you're done, made a
whole story, and I'll be.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Talking to random people who I ain't gonna lie to you,
Like I don't mind talking to the random It's just
like a so say I'm outside and we on the
block or something, and it's a random right there. They
come with air point of view. I might argue with
my point of view right then and there with no problem.
But the only difference is on somebody. So social media
gonna make everything bigger than what it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Is, right, It's gonna be a whole situation. You know.
The other thing that you've been doing I see is
also a lot of people would be critical of you
who are boxing commentators. But you don't have a problem
sitting down and addressing that head on to hell.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
No, I mean, only problem I have is certain times
with like the commentators who kind of act like they
mess with you, and then like when they see you,
I mean, and then when they get online they talk
bad about you, like they talk super bad about you,
but then when they see you they want to be
like super f I think it's fake. So I'll kind
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of like let people know, like, if you gotta fake energy,
I don't want to be around at though, I don't
fuck with you, I'll let you know, like fuck you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Before you walked in, and we were talking about the
fact that because I was like, they'd be giving it
to Shakur like they you know, there's a lot of
critiques about your style, people would be like it. But
then at the same time we were just saying, who
don't they do that too? When it comes to boxing,
there's nobody that people are like, this person is just
amazing all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean, I feel as though, like being a
young black fighter is where we got to fight through
a lot of trials and tribulations just being young and black.
So I think Floyd had to go through it. If
you watch Charrence Crawford career, he went through so much
of what I'm saying. He got a glass jaw and
that was one It's like everybody flipped the switch. So
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I just know, like my time coming.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You know, the fight was a pad of coming up. Obviously,
throws a lot of punches, very aggressive. How do you
plan to sort of counteract you know, the aggressive style
that he fights.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Can he throw a thousand punches. If I'm punching him, right,
I think a lot of people don't hit him. So
Saturday night, I will be punching him. Man, Let's see
if he's still able to throw them thousand punches.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I don't want to I don't want to look too
far ahead of it. But obviously you want to handle
business here. Everybody want to see that fight with you
and take Davis. I think that is that's when.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Out there, man, Like, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't want to have you looking ahead of you
know what's happening Saturday, But clearly that's a that's a
big money match right there.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Honestly, I've been calling for the fight for what like
two to three years now, so I'm ready for the fight.
It's all on Tank. Tank gotta say he's ready. I've
been hearing that he's gonna fight Jake Paul, so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, though he ranked now, I guess that's.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Not that's not boxing. That's not boxing. Boxing is fighting
the best people in your weight class and the person
that people think that can beat you. People don't think
Jake Paul can.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Be well, I have two questions about that, Okay. Number one,
I know you said that you thought Lamont Roach won
that fight against Javonte Davis, and that you said if
the rematch, you think he's gonna win that fight. So
why not wouldn't that be like naturally for you, the
next person that you would want to fight over Tank.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, it would be if he beats Tank. I don't
want to fight home if he don't be something. Okay,
we gotta wait and see what happens in that fight.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then when it comes to like you said, it
should be whoever's the best. But I feel like boxing
is also really political, like there's mandatory fights that you
have to have, so it's not always gonna be Okay,
this is the person that's gonna be the best fight
for me. This is what I have to do to
get to this level. And even like you said, sometimes
it's hard for you to get those opponents based on
who you're you know, who's managing you, who you're signed to,
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and all of those things.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I disagree when you're in the position of a Tank
because Tank is like the biggest star in the world,
one of the biggest stars in the world. So with
him being at that top spot, he can pick and
choose who he wants to fight. If he want to
fight this guy, he can fight this guy. So and
my brain is like, you know, just say you want
to fight and we can make a happen at any
given time.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Because sometimes people also think about like the money aspect
of it too, You like, what's gonna be the biggest
draw and sometimes the biggest jar isn't always going to
be Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No? I agree with that. But let me ask you this.
If you're gonna fight Lamont, Roach, Frank Martin, what was
the last three? That was the last two? You're gonna
fight them guys, right, do you think that them guys
is a bigger drawer than me?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, I'll put you in this question, right.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It ain't even no question.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I don't even think it's about the draw. But you
mentioned the Jake Paul of it, right like.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
This, that's better. That's better if you're talking about business. Right,
we're talking about business. But I'm just speaking far as
the aspect of the sport.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But well, how do you find that balance though?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I think what you do obviously as a purist
in boxing is one thing. But I think in the
last like five to ten years, it's almost been like
this part of sidehow a box and where we want
to see like the celebrity boxes and the athletes and
you know, everything that Jake Paul has done to kind
of bring a lot more attention to the sport. You know,
you kind of have to carry that other side of it,
like how do you find the balance of finding a
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great fight but also finding the most profitable and popular fight.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean, I'm good. I'm good. At the end of
the day, I'll make a bunch of millions y'all go
around my family, So I'm good. But I think like guys,
not guys, like people in y'all position, gotta hold these
stars and people accountable. Y'all gotta start saying something to
make these big fights happen. Because if y'all don't say nothing,
if y'all sit there and be like, oh, it's a
business whatever, y'all allow them to keep doing whatever they're doing,
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and they get away with fighting guys that we don't know.
So I think it's like up to y'all in y'all
positions that y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
To demand it is that we want to see, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Because at the end of the day, if the fight
don't happen, then years later we're gonna look down the
line like, damn, I wish Sequorn Tank would have got
in the ring, And then when the fight don't happen,
y'all like them feel me.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So yeah, there's been some upsets though. I feel like
with some of the people that we thought was gonna
be you know and box. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what
I'm saying. Nobody could take it for credit for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
For sure boxing.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So we talked earlier about you know, when you're training
and trying to tune out what people are saying about
you and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And I just think of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Those montages and boxing movies when you're hearing like the
commentator saying he can't do this, he can't do that, Like,
does anybody do that to you when you're when you're
in training camp. Are you playing these clips in your
head of folks saying that, well, you're just a defensive fighter,
you can't really knock people out, you can't put on
a show or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The Tom and Jerry comments and all that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be thinking about a lot of that
shit sometimes when I go into June. I kind of
like it's like I could feel like what's happening in
my brain now, I kind of like going sparring. I'm like, Okay,
today we're gonna go in there, stay in the pocket.
We're gonna put some punishment on on this guy and
let our hands go. So I kind of I hear
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some of the critics. I don't take it too bad,
but I know, like, Okay, I'm gonna just work on
my game and try to get better in that aspect.
That way, I'll be better at it. I don't want
to go back and forth for what I can and
can't do, or I know what I can do. So
I think the world gonna see July twelve.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What's some advice that you've been getting from your team
now that you're like, Okay, these are the things that
I need to do to switch up, not just in
the ring, but in life in general.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Tuning the noise out, Tuning the noise out, I'm good at,
like not allowing all of the noise to get to me.
And like, even if y'all see me tweeting back and forth,
that don't mean that it really got to me. It
just means like I'm bored that day.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Like Kevin Durant does the same thing we'll get online
talk back and forth of fans.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, but truthfully, like just tuning the noise out of
not hearing everything everybody got to say because opinions is
like assholes, everybody got one.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So you know, you've been boxing since you were five
years old? What have you seen change? You know, since
from when you first started, like in the Olympics and
everything to where you are now.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I've seen the sport changing a way to where it's
like casuals rule the sport.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's how it is in general, because I think it's
social media has made that happen.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, social media gave everybody a platform, so anybody can
say whatever they want on whether they know or not.
So it's a lot of false information that's being passed
around in our sport. But you know, it is what
it is. You got to live with it because this
is the day that we live in.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
This So what's the craziest thing you heard about yourself?
The craziest thing I heard that wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I always hear like I got pillow hands and I
got no power.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So people say that, they're like, yeah, you can. You know,
you're a great defensive fighter. You can get on the inside.
But people say you're punch just don't land with powers.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I mean, the thing is is like I know I
got power, So like when I hear it, it's like, okay,
y'all can say that, but y'all not the ones in
the ring filling these punches. This is a reason why
certain guys don't walk in and just walk right through
my punches, and when they try to, they get hurt.
So Saturday night, this God may be one of them
guys too.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The last fight with Josh Padley, was that something you
you looked out to to make sure to do when
you went and got that t KO, You're like, all right,
I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
To go to the judges. I want to make sure
that and this and I stopped this fight.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Nah. I knew he wasn't on my level. I knew
he wasn't on my level, so at times I had
to carry him. I got to carry him at times.
So like in certain rounds, it's like when.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You say carry him, be clear, like I.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So when I heard my hands, I had to carry
him through certain rounds. And then when it was time
to go home, I told myself, like, okay, let's get him.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, no, I didn't even know you had that, man,
So let's talk about that economics of boxing, right. I
feel like, right now it's a really interesting time Dana
Whites getting into it obviously with the TKO and all
that stuff, the fights that happen to reidd you know,
the top rank deal that you turn down fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Ye fight, I'm actually on Friday, the night before yours.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I feel like right now the economic of box, the
economics of boxing is so wide open because of what
you just said, right, It's the notoriety, it's the people
that you know, social media having everybody having the voice,
and now money is sort of exploded in the way
that we really haven't seen in boxing recently. How do
you sort of like maneuver that when it comes to
not just picking your fights but putting on the best
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fights that fans want to see as well.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Honestly, I kind of let my team handle most of
the business part. I'll kind of chime in on what
I want, but truthfully, I'll kind of let them shit
back and maneuver what we do, and I chime in
and do my job. But far as like boxing, I
feel like boxing at a great space for like, even
with like how I just said, the casuals in the
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sport of boxing, that makes the sport much bigger, right,
It makes like a lot of people looking in and
even when them guys hate on me, it's cool because
at the end of the day, you got a million
people tuning into yeah, they gonna yeah, It's like there's
one hundred people that want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know what I mean to hate all love.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So I hear that that I'm five fifteen million dollar
deal that you turned down from Top Ring, I felt
like that did not sound like enough. And I know
obviously you did too, But when I heard that number
at the time, I was like, I feel like you
should be making way more than that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It wasn't the number that kind of threw me off,
because I mean, I like, you know, I love money,
But it wasn't the number. It was more so the energy.
Like when I sat down at the meeting and we
sat there, it just felt like the energy was off,
Like the energy was like they wasn't really like messing
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with me, Like I wasn't who I was. And I've
been with that company since I was nineteen years old.
So the energy kind of like drew me back. I'm like, okay,
I don't like, I don't need y'all. It was like
more so like they was kind of at that point
in time, they were trying to show me that I
needed them, right, So my point now was like, Okay,
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I don't need y'all. Like, let me let y'all know
I don't need y'all. I'm a man at the end
of the day, I can go get it in plenty
different ways. So that's that's what that was.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's good. I'm glad you did that. You feel like
you made the right decision for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
For sure I weren't getting get.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
The fights that you wanted to have.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
No, they wasn't. But I wouldn't mind working with them again, okay,
And just because of the fact that if they come correct,
you know, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
When you've been with somebody from the beginning, they also
don't see the value because you've been there. Yeah, they
take it for granted because they also feel like they
helped like mold you into who you are and that
and then sometimes you got to go away to be
able to come back and negotiate bigger.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, but it was a two way relationship. It's like, yeah, y'all,
he me, I don't become what I've become. But I
also feel as though a lot of black fighters signed
with Tyrank because of me, Like a lot of young
black fighters have come up signing with ty Rank because
I had signed with them. Man, when I signed with them,
they said black fighters don't go to Tyrank. Ty Rank
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is racist. But I kind of broke that stigma. So
I felt as though they it was a two way relationship.
It wasn't just they helped me and I didn't help them.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I helped them absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So when it didn't work out, did you did any
of that stigma sort of come back? Did you kind
of feel like, damn, maybe they were right, Maybe there
was something about to this black fighter thing when they
didn't value me the way I thought I was valued.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I mean, it is what it is. At the end
of the day, I ain't charging nobody. Business is business.
I mean, you move on find better business elsewhere. But
like I said, I wouldn't mind working with anybody in
business as long as the business come correct.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Do you think about it one day having your own
promotions company? Yes, because I feel like that is the
best you know, situation. Obviously, you see all these boxes.
You've been in the ring with a lot of them
when they're on the come up to you as a
paid that's been in the ring when you were younger
together as well, what was well, do you remember that experience?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, I actually got a video of it. No care,
I got like a little ten second clip.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But you're gonna put it out now.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I ain't gonna put it out. I'm gonna let him.
Let him be okay with it, Okay, Yeah, yeah, way
like I want seventeen eighteen. I'll show you after we're
like seventeen eighteen. I feel like it went my way.
But he's a good fighter, he's tough.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay. So have y'all ever liked since that's the only
time you've been in the ring together.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I think we sparred several times, okay at the during
the same period of time.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So m so, this is gonna be interesting because it's
also it's interesting with boxing too, is a lot of
times you be cool with somebody, but then at some
point you got to get in the ring with them.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, that is crazy because like how y'all talking about Lamont,
I'm actually really cool with Lamont, but I want to
fight him. I want to fight him that I'm better
than him.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But it's a level of respect that you have after that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, you know, there's there's something there's there's a
certain level of camaraderie get after you punch each other
in the face, like all we've been through it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I got respect for him anyway because we done been
in the ring several times too, so my respect level
for him goals high. I actually knew before the fight
how that fight was going to turn out.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, you bet on it?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, I want hell of money.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah yeah, I saw that that it was going to
go to distance. And you said you didn't think that
they would let Lamont roach win if.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I knew that, Yeah, I kind of knew that, So
it wasn't exactly how it went in my brain on
fight night, you.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Like kind of psychic. But how you how you see
it going Saturday?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Saturday?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I can bet some money.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I've seen me out boxing him early, but I see
him making me fight, And when he made me fight,
I'm realizing that I could fight too.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So, but I feel like with.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The narrative out there is if this goes the distance again,
they're gonna start saying the same thing and like, oh,
it's a born fight.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
It can't be a born fight with him, right, I
don't think it's impossible. With a god that's throwing that
much and opening up that much, it's impossible for it
to be born.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't see this is going to be interesting because
your styles are so different. That's why I can't wait
to see who is going to be the person that
has to adapt more to the other person.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Because he's going to be is for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He comes to get more defensive.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
He can only do one thing. I can do several
different things, Like if I want to stand in the pocket,
I can stand in the pocket. If I want to
move around the ring, I can move around the ring.
He can only go forward and throw punches.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's it, and that leads him very vulnerable to know
how to get in there.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, you're from the area, man, you grew up here
in NewYork. You know you're fighting the queens.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, like, it's gonna be a lot of family,
a lot of people that watch you grow up in
this sport coming to watch you fight this weekend. You know,
local athletes have a special relationship with the kids in
this area, and I know you have a special relationship
shift around here too.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Man, How does that How does your boxing success.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Lead to really lifting up the community around you, especially
at such a young age.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean, it means everything to me to like give
back to the kids, because at the end of the day,
I felt as though when I came up, I didn't
see no celebrities come to my city and come talk
to me right there, let me know it's possible. I've
never seen that. So for me, when I go talk
to the kids, I'm trying to give them something that
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I never seen before. I want to let them know
it's hope, get on motivation. I want to let them
know where they at is not where they're going to be.
So that's my main purpose in life, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
On top of it, you're fighting out one of the
most unique sporting venues in New York right Like, you're
fighting the Arthur Ash the tennis legendary tennis stadium that's
never had a.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Boxing That is such a big because when I was
seeing what the fight was, I was like, where's something
like that? But I was like, where is this in Queens?
And so that is going to definitely be unique.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I've never been there, never even heard of it. To
be honest, it sounds so big.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And it's actually making history. So that's always a good
thing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What there was a Drake a lot Wayne concert with that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Now being from Newark and seeing how much investment is
being made in that city, What are some things are
you investing in Newark? Because sometimes, again when you're from somewhere,
you know, it's hard to see that happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Oh yeah, I'll definitely invest in up. But I do
like little things. Right now, I'm just trying to like
build and be able to do big things, Like I
want big programs that's going to like help the kids,
Like that's like some of my goals on at the
end of the day, I only really care about helping
like the future of the next generation and be honest
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because I know that the future is where it's at
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So I know you said that Jay Prince has been
really instrumental in helping you with like managing your money,
making sure you don't blow things. What's some good financial
lessons that you've learned?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Good financial lessons that I learned. It might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Because like I mean it's okay, you're still young.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I'm the type I like to buy everything off, Like
I don't like to pay you.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Know what, a mortgage. You don't want a payment plan.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I like to just go ahead by it. Don't at
least it's mine. Like it feels like a whole different
category when that shit is like mine. So I think
that's something I definitely learned from j Prince.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
To do that or not to do that, to do that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, on the business side, you got Jay Prince. On
the boxing side, the got guys like andre Ward, Terns Crawford.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Those guys have been you know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You talk about the generation before you that you want to,
you know, help out. How did that generation and you
know Terns Crawford is still you know active right now.
How has those boxers really helped and shape your career
how you want to see it?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
She like what andre Ward and Bud it's two different relationships.
Like but I sat there and I kind of like
watched Bud for years and years and I kind of
picked up on a lot of his habits and I
appreciate buduse.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But what specific happens that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And see, we got like a carring kind of attitude
where we care for a lot of people. That and
also like his training habits. I can't tell the secrets
I got myself. Andre Ward andre Wood. He's good at
like explaining everything, like from detail to detailing. Yeah, I
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was around him as a kid when I watched him
spar and been around him and seen him train. But
he gonna detail me everything. He telled me every little
thing from what to eat from the rest days to
if I should take the ice bath like he just
kind of on point where everything. So I appreciate Andrew
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Ward too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now, you also did something after a fight that that
went viral when you proposed yah, and the ring after
the fight. That's a crazy time to do it too,
because but you did. I mean, of course if you win,
if you did, if you had it, you still would
have proposed Nah.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I told them I ain't gonna lie. I kind of
told that this ship go left, don't bring that ship
ring ring. I ain't gonna lie. I definitely told them that.
I told him that I don't think like I tried
not to think about things going left, But in that situation,
I wanted to make sure that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
That been off of No, not right now, completely up
to you, right, But I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Performed well that night. I was kind of on points.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So did that have your adrenaline going knowing that you
also had that about to happen, Like, I can't lose
because afterward we got this going down.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Now, I wasn't thinking about that at all. I was
like locked in like from one to twelve, like every
round blocked in And that was the biggest fight of
my career, So I knew.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like, Okay, so you knew what you was doing the
right thing. That's a good sign. What about your daughter, Like,
knowing that you're a boxer and you know, seeing fights
and things like that, how do you explain that, like
this is daddy's job and don't hit people at cool?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Nah, I'll be telling her like she would come to
the gym and watch me. I'll be telling her like
cheer for me and mm hmm. The only thing that
I'll be kind of worried about when it when it
comes to my daughter is like her actually wanting to fight,
Like I don't want her to even wanting to get
into boxing in no type of way. So I'm definitely
gonna stay on top of her and make sure that
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don't happen.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
If she turns twelve thirteen years old and she's like,
I want to be in the family business.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Boxing is a dangerous sport, and I feel like you.
I ain't gonna say you gotta come from where I
come from to do it, But it just feel as
though like you have to for me, Like I don't
think you're gonna be privilege.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, you're gonna be rich, and like yeah boxer.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Hell no, that means somebody. That means somebody from the
church is gonna come fight her and her ass. I
ain't went that ship.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You got a lot of access to the best.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Then I gotta sit right there and like watch her
fight be hard for you. Oh no, I'm getting in
the rigg and whooping somebody.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Because she's watching you, and she's probably like.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Hell, she could be able to do that ship in
school though.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You No, just defend herself. That's all I want.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, did you get married yet? Because I know.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Okay I will and I will, like on my time, So.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
What congratulations on that? Do you want to do a
destination wedding? Do you know what the plan is?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I have no plan. I'm kind of like in the
moment type of person like I.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Try for sure who's walking you out to the ring,
because I haven't seen that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know. I don't know, I have no clue this,
you don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Still Saturday got to be here. Well, if you could
choose somebody, who would who would be your ideal? Are
there like choices options?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
If I could choose somebody, I would go to Rod Wave.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I think Wave is like he's big and like every
area in hip hop.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So all right?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was about to say, Robert, don't get me in
the move to fight.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I gotta go with it. Like the certain songs, I
was about to say, you can't listen to song like
so can't be what you listen to?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
He would be like, what's going on? It's not gonna
be long. Well listen, thank you so much for coming
through and stopping by, because this is going to be
a big weekend. People could still buy tickets though, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I think tickets still on for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
All right, we're going definitely okay, man pull.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Up and watch his ass, and then we need that
tank fight man always, that's the fight we need.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I told you it's on tank, it's on tank.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Tell him pull up, but it also might depend on
this next you know, respects next fight, it might depend
on that too, like what happens with that because his
next fight will I don't know whoever. I know he's
in toxic fight again.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So I mean, if he fights Jake Paul, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Do that, would you wouldn't fight Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I will fight Jake Paul. I will fight for the
I'm keeping real, but I'm just telling you, like I'm
not watching.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That ship for sure, you are gonna watch it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I guarantee you. I'm not watching.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
How could you not watch it? A tweet about it?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I watch real boxing, Like, I'm not trying to see
him in the ring with Jake Paul. Like it just
don't excite.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Even even the fact that Jake Paul's right now.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I like Jake Paul. I'm a Jake Paul fan, and
don't excite me to watch somebody that's my in the
ring with Jake, Like, come on, it's not It's not
an exciting thing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And let's also not forget that Clarissa Shils has a
fight coming out because we can Yes.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm glad that you pointing that out, because like people
need to point out the fact that Clarissa is the
best to ever do it. She's the Floyd Floyd Mayweather
of fucking girl boxing. So I think people need to
give her more credit.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
They get of her a hard time. Boy, let me
tell you something out of we talk about boxes getting
a hard time. I think, like I demand my respect
and she kind of do it to herself. She really like.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
So she do it to usself. But you need to
just like.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Tools, people are not going to give you your props.
Sometimes you got to take.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Take it, and that's what she's doing. But they hate
when the way that she's doing it. But me, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Think about you being undefeated and then almost half your
fights haven't gone you know, like that's not a bad rink,
that's not bad proportionately, but they act like it's bad.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yes, yes, And that's the same thing with her. I
feel as though she once again, she's the greatest I
ever seen, Like I watched her from She's the greatest.
Like her mental is like different. So I'm a fan
of Clarissa.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I know you guys are in different way classes. You
think she could beat you, then.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
No can in a ring with But Carissa is like
she a girl. So it's like it's different, like I
don't I barely want to hit her like I would
be in the ring, Like no, I don't want to
hear like that's my sister too, So it's like nah.
But she definitely knows she.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Want to fight. Man though she don't care. That's why
she's like, I do it, I.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Fight, Leave her little brother alone. Let me be.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I think she could fight her man. I would like
to see. I will watch her verse Jake Paul, she
would yeah, I will watch.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I will watch the fight our boxer.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I will watch the fight. That's all I'm gonna say.
For sure, will watch that ship.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Somebody set it up check.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Immediately, all right, Well, Saturday July twelve, Williamson Petta versus
Kora Stevenson. We're putting that money for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I need a knockout, bro. I don't want to show
Judge's cards. I don't want to know you DS, none
of that. I can't.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I can't promise you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I just want you to.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I can't promise you if I'm gonna knock this guy
out because if he got a head that he could punishment.
That's the fact that's on whom.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm putting the pressure on your chanl.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I like the pressure. I'm gonna perform.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
No, man, that's all I want to see perform. Good
luck this weekend. Man can't wait to see it. Brother.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And then is it to order to order the fight
it's on? Is it on his own or what?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think it's on his own?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, it's on his own all right. Just had to
make sure so for people who are gonna be having
fight parties watching the fight. You could order it on
his own. But if you could pull up, pull up
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Way
What's up his way up at Angela. Yee, my guy
Kaz is here with me. Yes, say, for the first time,
and what a great day for you to come cuts
your courts. Stevenson is here super excited.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
To hear from what's going on Channel Doing all Right,
Doing all Right?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
New York resident, You're here fighting for the first time,
first boxing match ever in the tennis arena, in the
tennis stadium in Queens. I know you get a lot
of opportunities to have great fights, but how do you
feel fighting and was close to be your hometown?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I mean, it feel good. It feels like history gonna
be made. I feel like since I'm the first one
in the arena, i gotta leave with Mark, so I'm
coming to make a statement and I'm gonna put on
a performance of a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel like that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
There's been a lot of talk about that too, because
you know your defensive style. It's very controversial, y'all, a
little floyd to it. But you know how important is
it to not just winning, but to put on a
great show and what is close to being your hometown?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, for me, I want to shut a lot of
people up. So I'm gonna shut a lot of haters up,
a lot of doubters. I'm gonna be on point, I'm
gonna be sharp. But people that's hating on my defense,
they can keep hating on it because they gonna see
that at that night too.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know, this is gonna be what a lot of
people are saying, are your toughest fight to date? It
can be, yeah, you said it can be. Maybe maybe not,
but it is also going to be exciting just because
of you know, the different fighting styles that both of
you guys have. So when it comes to training for
something like that, how is that different for you adapting
your style or he's got to adapt to you.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
He got to adapt to me for sure. But honestly,
I'm kind of like excited because it's a new challenge.
I never thought nobody who throws this many punches around.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Ever, so and that's exciting already. So I think that's
going to bring the best out just because I can't
wait to see how that's gonna affect the way that
you fight too.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, I think it's gonna take me to a new level.
I think we did a lot in training camp to
prepare for it, So I think he's going to bring
the best out of me, and I think July twelfth
we will us.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So how's training in Houston just now? Because I know
you go to Houston, you leave home, you have to
go there kind of block everything else out. How do
you feel now being back here and how it's Houston?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Uh, this camp, we actually trained in Houston. We usually
don't train in Houston for to get ready for the fights.
But I mean, I love camp. I kind of blocked
away the noise on. I stayed in my comfort zone
at times, but then I got out of my comfort
zone at time. So it was a great training camp.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Did you say you have social media at times?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, but then like I get back on and talk
a little shit at times.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I saw you like you don't have to respond to
everything I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I feel I feel like you got right because you
talked about Hey, this is talk about social media. You
know cam and made so that is this podcasts back
and forth that.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, sometimes it's just fun. You know, somebody gonna say
their opinion about you, Why you can't go give your
opinion about them right.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
In fact, But then it makes it bigger and then
it turns into like because sometimes you talking to somebody
like a random person. Let's say that gives them a
lot of attention, and then now you're done, made a
whole story, and I'll be.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Talking to random people who I ain't gonna lie to you,
Like I don't mind talking to the random It's just
like a so say I'm outside and we on the
block or something, and it's a random right there. They
come with air point of view. I might argue with
my point of view right then and there with no problem.
But the only difference is on somebody. So social media
gonna make everything bigger than what it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Is, right, It's gonna be a whole situation. You know.
The other thing that you've been doing I see is
also a lot of people would be critical of you
who are boxing commentators. But you don't have a problem
sitting down and addressing that head on to hell.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
No, I mean, only problem I have is certain times
with like the commentators who kind of act like they
mess with you, and then like when they see you,
I mean, and then when they get online they talk
bad about you, like they talk super bad about you,
but then when they see you they want to be
like super f I think it's fake. So I'll kind
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of like let people know, like, if you gotta fake energy,
I don't want to be around at though, I don't
fuck with you, I'll let you know, like fuck you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Before you walked in, and we were talking about the
fact that because I was like, they'd be giving it
to Shakur like they you know, there's a lot of
critiques about your style, people would be like it. But
then at the same time we were just saying, who
don't they do that too? When it comes to boxing,
there's nobody that people are like, this person is just
amazing all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean, I feel as though, like being a
young black fighter is where we got to fight through
a lot of trials and tribulations just being young and black.
So I think Floyd had to go through it. If
you watch Charrence Crawford career, he went through so much
of what I'm saying. He got a glass jaw and
that was one It's like everybody flipped the switch. So
(04:50):
I just know, like my time coming.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You know, the fight was a pad of coming up. Obviously,
throws a lot of punches, very aggressive. How do you
plan to sort of counteract you know, the aggressive style
that he fights.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Can he throw a thousand punches. If I'm punching him, right,
I think a lot of people don't hit him. So
Saturday night, I will be punching him. Man, Let's see
if he's still able to throw them thousand punches.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I don't want to I don't want to look too
far ahead of it. But obviously you want to handle
business here. Everybody want to see that fight with you
and take Davis. I think that is that's when.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Out there, man, Like, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't want to have you looking ahead of you
know what's happening Saturday, But clearly that's a that's a
big money match right there.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Honestly, I've been calling for the fight for what like
two to three years now, so I'm ready for the fight.
It's all on Tank. Tank gotta say he's ready. I've
been hearing that he's gonna fight Jake Paul, so.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, though he ranked now, I guess that's.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Not that's not boxing. That's not boxing. Boxing is fighting
the best people in your weight class and the person
that people think that can beat you. People don't think
Jake Paul can.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Be well, I have two questions about that, Okay. Number one,
I know you said that you thought Lamont Roach won
that fight against Javonte Davis, and that you said if
the rematch, you think he's gonna win that fight. So
why not wouldn't that be like naturally for you, the
next person that you would want to fight over Tank.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, it would be if he beats Tank. I don't
want to fight home if he don't be something. Okay,
we gotta wait and see what happens in that fight.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then when it comes to like you said, it
should be whoever's the best. But I feel like boxing
is also really political, like there's mandatory fights that you
have to have, so it's not always gonna be Okay,
this is the person that's gonna be the best fight
for me. This is what I have to do to
get to this level. And even like you said, sometimes
it's hard for you to get those opponents based on
who you're you know, who's managing you, who you're signed to,
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and all of those things.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I disagree when you're in the position of a Tank
because Tank is like the biggest star in the world,
one of the biggest stars in the world. So with
him being at that top spot, he can pick and
choose who he wants to fight. If he want to
fight this guy, he can fight this guy. So and
my brain is like, you know, just say you want
to fight and we can make a happen at any
given time.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Because sometimes people also think about like the money aspect
of it too, You like, what's gonna be the biggest
draw and sometimes the biggest jar isn't always going to
be Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No? I agree with that. But let me ask you this.
If you're gonna fight Lamont, Roach, Frank Martin, what was
the last three? That was the last two? You're gonna
fight them guys, right, do you think that them guys
is a bigger drawer than me?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, I'll put you in this question, right.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It ain't even no question.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I don't even think it's about the draw. But you
mentioned the Jake Paul of it, right like.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
This, that's better. That's better if you're talking about business. Right,
we're talking about business. But I'm just speaking far as
the aspect of the sport.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But well, how do you find that balance though?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Because I think what you do obviously as a purist
in boxing is one thing. But I think in the
last like five to ten years, it's almost been like
this part of sidehow a box and where we want
to see like the celebrity boxes and the athletes and
you know, everything that Jake Paul has done to kind
of bring a lot more attention to the sport. You know,
you kind of have to carry that other side of it,
like how do you find the balance of finding a
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great fight but also finding the most profitable and popular fight.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean, I'm good. I'm good. At the end of
the day, I'll make a bunch of millions y'all go
around my family, So I'm good. But I think like guys,
not guys, like people in y'all position, gotta hold these
stars and people accountable. Y'all gotta start saying something to
make these big fights happen. Because if y'all don't say nothing,
if y'all sit there and be like, oh, it's a
business whatever, y'all allow them to keep doing whatever they're doing,
(08:39):
and they get away with fighting guys that we don't know.
So I think it's like up to y'all in y'all
positions that y'all.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
To demand it is that we want to see, yes.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Because at the end of the day, if the fight
don't happen, then years later we're gonna look down the
line like, damn, I wish Sequorn Tank would have got
in the ring, And then when the fight don't happen,
y'all like them feel me.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So yeah, there's been some upsets though. I feel like
with some of the people that we thought was gonna
be you know and box. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what
I'm saying. Nobody could take it for credit for sure.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
For sure boxing.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So we talked earlier about you know, when you're training
and trying to tune out what people are saying about
you and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And I just think of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Those montages and boxing movies when you're hearing like the
commentator saying he can't do this, he can't do that, Like,
does anybody do that to you when you're when you're
in training camp. Are you playing these clips in your
head of folks saying that, well, you're just a defensive fighter,
you can't really knock people out, you can't put on
a show or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
The Tom and Jerry comments and all that.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be thinking about a lot of that
shit sometimes when I go into June. I kind of
like it's like I could feel like what's happening in
my brain now, I kind of like going sparring. I'm like, Okay,
today we're gonna go in there, stay in the pocket.
We're gonna put some punishment on on this guy and
let our hands go. So I kind of I hear
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some of the critics. I don't take it too bad,
but I know, like, Okay, I'm gonna just work on
my game and try to get better in that aspect.
That way, I'll be better at it. I don't want
to go back and forth for what I can and
can't do, or I know what I can do. So
I think the world gonna see July twelve.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
What's some advice that you've been getting from your team
now that you're like, Okay, these are the things that
I need to do to switch up, not just in
the ring, but in life in general.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Tuning the noise out, Tuning the noise out, I'm good at,
like not allowing all of the noise to get to me.
And like, even if y'all see me tweeting back and forth,
that don't mean that it really got to me. It
just means like I'm bored that day.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Like Kevin Durant does the same thing we'll get online
talk back and forth of fans.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, but truthfully, like just tuning the noise out of
not hearing everything everybody got to say because opinions is
like assholes, everybody got one.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So you know, you've been boxing since you were five
years old? What have you seen change? You know, since
from when you first started, like in the Olympics and
everything to where you are now.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I've seen the sport changing a way to where it's
like casuals rule the sport.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's how it is in general, because I think it's
social media has made that happen.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah, social media gave everybody a platform, so anybody can
say whatever they want on whether they know or not.
So it's a lot of false information that's being passed
around in our sport. But you know, it is what
it is. You got to live with it because this
is the day that we live in.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
This So what's the craziest thing you heard about yourself?
The craziest thing I heard that wasn't true.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
I always hear like I got pillow hands and I
got no power.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So people say that, they're like, yeah, you can. You know,
you're a great defensive fighter. You can get on the inside.
But people say you're punch just don't land with powers.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I mean, the thing is is like I know I
got power, So like when I hear it, it's like, okay,
y'all can say that, but y'all not the ones in
the ring filling these punches. This is a reason why
certain guys don't walk in and just walk right through
my punches, and when they try to, they get hurt.
So Saturday night, this God may be one of them
guys too.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The last fight with Josh Padley, was that something you
you looked out to to make sure to do when
you went and got that t KO, You're like, all right,
I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
To go to the judges. I want to make sure
that and this and I stopped this fight.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Nah. I knew he wasn't on my level. I knew
he wasn't on my level, so at times I had
to carry him. I got to carry him at times.
So like in certain rounds, it's like when.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You say carry him, be clear, like I.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So when I heard my hands, I had to carry
him through certain rounds. And then when it was time
to go home, I told myself, like, okay, let's get him.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, no, I didn't even know you had that, man,
So let's talk about that economics of boxing, right. I
feel like, right now it's a really interesting time Dana
Whites getting into it obviously with the TKO and all
that stuff, the fights that happen to reidd you know,
the top rank deal that you turn down fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Ye fight, I'm actually on Friday, the night before yours.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I feel like right now the economic of box, the
economics of boxing is so wide open because of what
you just said, right, It's the notoriety, it's the people
that you know, social media having everybody having the voice,
and now money is sort of exploded in the way
that we really haven't seen in boxing recently. How do
you sort of like maneuver that when it comes to
not just picking your fights but putting on the best
(13:38):
fights that fans want to see as well.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Honestly, I kind of let my team handle most of
the business part. I'll kind of chime in on what
I want, but truthfully, I'll kind of let them shit
back and maneuver what we do, and I chime in
and do my job. But far as like boxing, I
feel like boxing at a great space for like, even
with like how I just said, the casuals in the
(14:03):
sport of boxing, that makes the sport much bigger, right,
It makes like a lot of people looking in and
even when them guys hate on me, it's cool because
at the end of the day, you got a million
people tuning into yeah, they gonna yeah, It's like there's
one hundred people that want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know what I mean to hate all love.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
So I hear that that I'm five fifteen million dollar
deal that you turned down from Top Ring, I felt
like that did not sound like enough. And I know
obviously you did too, But when I heard that number
at the time, I was like, I feel like you
should be making way more than that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It wasn't the number that kind of threw me off,
because I mean, I like, you know, I love money,
But it wasn't the number. It was more so the energy.
Like when I sat down at the meeting and we
sat there, it just felt like the energy was off,
Like the energy was like they wasn't really like messing
(14:56):
with me, Like I wasn't who I was. And I've
been with that company since I was nineteen years old.
So the energy kind of like drew me back. I'm like, okay,
I don't like, I don't need y'all. It was like
more so like they was kind of at that point
in time, they were trying to show me that I
needed them, right, So my point now was like, Okay,
(15:18):
I don't need y'all. Like, let me let y'all know
I don't need y'all. I'm a man at the end
of the day, I can go get it in plenty
different ways. So that's that's what that was.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That's good. I'm glad you did that. You feel like
you made the right decision for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
For sure I weren't getting get.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
The fights that you wanted to have.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
No, they wasn't. But I wouldn't mind working with them again, okay,
And just because of the fact that if they come correct,
you know, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
When you've been with somebody from the beginning, they also
don't see the value because you've been there. Yeah, they
take it for granted because they also feel like they
helped like mold you into who you are and that
and then sometimes you got to go away to be
able to come back and negotiate bigger.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, but it was a two way relationship. It's like, yeah, y'all,
he me, I don't become what I've become. But I
also feel as though a lot of black fighters signed
with Tyrank because of me, Like a lot of young
black fighters have come up signing with ty Rank because
I had signed with them. Man, when I signed with them,
they said black fighters don't go to Tyrank. Ty Rank
(16:19):
is racist. But I kind of broke that stigma. So
I felt as though they it was a two way relationship.
It wasn't just they helped me and I didn't help them.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I helped them absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So when it didn't work out, did you did any
of that stigma sort of come back? Did you kind
of feel like, damn, maybe they were right, Maybe there
was something about to this black fighter thing when they
didn't value me the way I thought I was valued.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
I mean, it is what it is. At the end
of the day, I ain't charging nobody. Business is business.
I mean, you move on find better business elsewhere. But
like I said, I wouldn't mind working with anybody in
business as long as the business come correct.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Do you think about it one day having your own
promotions company? Yes, because I feel like that is the
best you know, situation. Obviously, you see all these boxes.
You've been in the ring with a lot of them
when they're on the come up to you as a
paid that's been in the ring when you were younger
together as well, what was well, do you remember that experience?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, I actually got a video of it. No care,
I got like a little ten second clip.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
But you're gonna put it out now.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I ain't gonna put it out. I'm gonna let him.
Let him be okay with it, Okay, Yeah, yeah, way
like I want seventeen eighteen. I'll show you after we're
like seventeen eighteen. I feel like it went my way.
But he's a good fighter, he's tough.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Okay. So have y'all ever liked since that's the only
time you've been in the ring together.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I think we sparred several times, okay at the during
the same period of time.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So m so, this is gonna be interesting because it's
also it's interesting with boxing too, is a lot of
times you be cool with somebody, but then at some
point you got to get in the ring with them.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, that is crazy because like how y'all talking about Lamont,
I'm actually really cool with Lamont, but I want to
fight him. I want to fight him that I'm better
than him.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But it's a level of respect that you have after that.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, you know, there's there's something there's there's a
certain level of camaraderie get after you punch each other
in the face, like all we've been through it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I got respect for him anyway because we done been
in the ring several times too, so my respect level
for him goals high. I actually knew before the fight
how that fight was going to turn out.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, you bet on it?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, I want hell of money.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah yeah, I saw that that it was going to
go to distance. And you said you didn't think that
they would let Lamont roach win if.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I knew that, Yeah, I kind of knew that, So
it wasn't exactly how it went in my brain on
fight night, you.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Like kind of psychic. But how you how you see
it going Saturday?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Saturday?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I can bet some money.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I've seen me out boxing him early, but I see
him making me fight, And when he made me fight,
I'm realizing that I could fight too.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So, but I feel like with.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The narrative out there is if this goes the distance again,
they're gonna start saying the same thing and like, oh,
it's a born fight.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
It can't be a born fight with him, right, I
don't think it's impossible. With a god that's throwing that
much and opening up that much, it's impossible for it
to be born.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't see this is going to be interesting because
your styles are so different. That's why I can't wait
to see who is going to be the person that
has to adapt more to the other person.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Because he's going to be is for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He comes to get more defensive.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
He can only do one thing. I can do several
different things, Like if I want to stand in the pocket,
I can stand in the pocket. If I want to
move around the ring, I can move around the ring.
He can only go forward and throw punches.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's it, and that leads him very vulnerable to know
how to get in there.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, you're from the area, man, you grew up here
in NewYork. You know you're fighting the queens.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, like, it's gonna be a lot of family,
a lot of people that watch you grow up in
this sport coming to watch you fight this weekend. You know,
local athletes have a special relationship with the kids in
this area, and I know you have a special relationship
shift around here too.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Man, How does that How does your boxing success.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Lead to really lifting up the community around you, especially
at such a young age.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean, it means everything to me to like give
back to the kids, because at the end of the day,
I felt as though when I came up, I didn't
see no celebrities come to my city and come talk
to me right there, let me know it's possible. I've
never seen that. So for me, when I go talk
to the kids, I'm trying to give them something that
(20:25):
I never seen before. I want to let them know
it's hope, get on motivation. I want to let them
know where they at is not where they're going to be.
So that's my main purpose in life, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
On top of it, you're fighting out one of the
most unique sporting venues in New York right Like, you're
fighting the Arthur Ash the tennis legendary tennis stadium that's
never had a.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Boxing That is such a big because when I was
seeing what the fight was, I was like, where's something
like that? But I was like, where is this in Queens?
And so that is going to definitely be unique.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I've never been there, never even heard of it. To
be honest, it sounds so big.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And it's actually making history. So that's always a good
thing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What there was a Drake a lot Wayne concert with that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Now being from Newark and seeing how much investment is
being made in that city, What are some things are
you investing in Newark? Because sometimes, again when you're from somewhere,
you know, it's hard to see that happened.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Oh yeah, I'll definitely invest in up. But I do
like little things. Right now, I'm just trying to like
build and be able to do big things, Like I
want big programs that's going to like help the kids,
Like that's like some of my goals on at the
end of the day, I only really care about helping
like the future of the next generation and be honest
(21:42):
because I know that the future is where it's at
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
So I know you said that Jay Prince has been
really instrumental in helping you with like managing your money,
making sure you don't blow things. What's some good financial
lessons that you've learned?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Good financial lessons that I learned. It might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Because like I mean it's okay, you're still young.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I'm the type I like to buy everything off, Like
I don't like to pay you.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Know what, a mortgage. You don't want a payment plan.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I like to just go ahead by it. Don't at
least it's mine. Like it feels like a whole different
category when that shit is like mine. So I think
that's something I definitely learned from j Prince.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
To do that or not to do that, to do that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, on the business side, you got Jay Prince. On
the boxing side, the got guys like andre Ward, Terns Crawford.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Those guys have been you know.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You talk about the generation before you that you want to,
you know, help out. How did that generation and you
know Terns Crawford is still you know active right now.
How has those boxers really helped and shape your career
how you want to see it?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
She like what andre Ward and Bud it's two different relationships.
Like but I sat there and I kind of like
watched Bud for years and years and I kind of
picked up on a lot of his habits and I
appreciate buduse.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But what specific happens that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
And see, we got like a carring kind of attitude
where we care for a lot of people. That and
also like his training habits. I can't tell the secrets
I got myself. Andre Ward andre Wood. He's good at
like explaining everything, like from detail to detailing. Yeah, I
(23:23):
was around him as a kid when I watched him
spar and been around him and seen him train. But
he gonna detail me everything. He telled me every little
thing from what to eat from the rest days to
if I should take the ice bath like he just
kind of on point where everything. So I appreciate Andrew
(23:45):
Ward too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Now, you also did something after a fight that that
went viral when you proposed yah, and the ring after
the fight. That's a crazy time to do it too,
because but you did. I mean, of course if you win,
if you did, if you had it, you still would
have proposed Nah.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I told them I ain't gonna lie. I kind of
told that this ship go left, don't bring that ship
ring ring. I ain't gonna lie. I definitely told them that.
I told him that I don't think like I tried
not to think about things going left, But in that situation,
I wanted to make sure that.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
That been off of No, not right now, completely up
to you, right, But I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Performed well that night. I was kind of on points.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So did that have your adrenaline going knowing that you
also had that about to happen, Like, I can't lose
because afterward we got this going down.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Now, I wasn't thinking about that at all. I was
like locked in like from one to twelve, like every
round blocked in And that was the biggest fight of
my career, So I knew.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like, Okay, so you knew what you was doing the
right thing. That's a good sign. What about your daughter, Like,
knowing that you're a boxer and you know, seeing fights
and things like that, how do you explain that, like
this is daddy's job and don't hit people at cool?
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Nah, I'll be telling her like she would come to
the gym and watch me. I'll be telling her like
cheer for me and mm hmm. The only thing that
I'll be kind of worried about when it when it
comes to my daughter is like her actually wanting to fight,
Like I don't want her to even wanting to get
into boxing in no type of way. So I'm definitely
gonna stay on top of her and make sure that
(25:22):
don't happen.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
If she turns twelve thirteen years old and she's like,
I want to be in the family business.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Boxing is a dangerous sport, and I feel like you.
I ain't gonna say you gotta come from where I
come from to do it, But it just feel as
though like you have to for me, Like I don't
think you're gonna be privilege.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, you're gonna be rich, and like yeah boxer.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Hell no, that means somebody. That means somebody from the
church is gonna come fight her and her ass. I
ain't went that ship.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
You got a lot of access to the best.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Then I gotta sit right there and like watch her
fight be hard for you. Oh no, I'm getting in
the rigg and whooping somebody.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Because she's watching you, and she's probably like.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Hell, she could be able to do that ship in
school though.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Cool.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You No, just defend herself. That's all I want.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, did you get married yet? Because I know.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Okay I will and I will, like on my time, So.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
What congratulations on that? Do you want to do a
destination wedding? Do you know what the plan is?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
I have no plan. I'm kind of like in the
moment type of person like I.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Try for sure who's walking you out to the ring,
because I haven't seen that.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I don't know. I don't know, I have no clue this,
you don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Still Saturday got to be here. Well, if you could
choose somebody, who would who would be your ideal? Are
there like choices options?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
If I could choose somebody, I would go to Rod Wave.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I think Wave is like he's big and like every
area in hip hop.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So all right?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was about to say, Robert, don't get me in
the move to fight.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I gotta go with it. Like the certain songs, I
was about to say, you can't listen to song like
so can't be what you listen to?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
He would be like, what's going on? It's not gonna
be long. Well listen, thank you so much for coming
through and stopping by, because this is going to be
a big weekend. People could still buy tickets though, right yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I think tickets still on for sure?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
All right, we're going definitely okay, man pull.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Up and watch his ass, and then we need that
tank fight man always, that's the fight we need.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I told you it's on tank, it's on tank.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Tell him pull up, but it also might depend on
this next you know, respects next fight, it might depend
on that too, like what happens with that because his
next fight will I don't know whoever. I know he's
in toxic fight again.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So I mean, if he fights Jake Paul, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Do that, would you wouldn't fight Jake Paul.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I will fight Jake Paul. I will fight for the
I'm keeping real, but I'm just telling you, like I'm
not watching.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
That ship for sure, you are gonna watch it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I guarantee you. I'm not watching.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
How could you not watch it? A tweet about it?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I watch real boxing, Like, I'm not trying to see
him in the ring with Jake Paul. Like it just
don't excite.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Even even the fact that Jake Paul's right now.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I like Jake Paul. I'm a Jake Paul fan, and
don't excite me to watch somebody that's my in the
ring with Jake, Like, come on, it's not It's not
an exciting thing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And let's also not forget that Clarissa Shils has a
fight coming out because we can Yes.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
I'm glad that you pointing that out, because like people
need to point out the fact that Clarissa is the
best to ever do it. She's the Floyd Floyd Mayweather
of fucking girl boxing. So I think people need to
give her more credit.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
They get of her a hard time. Boy, let me
tell you something out of we talk about boxes getting
a hard time. I think, like I demand my respect
and she kind of do it to herself. She really like.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
So she do it to usself. But you need to
just like.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Tools, people are not going to give you your props.
Sometimes you got to take.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Take it, and that's what she's doing. But they hate
when the way that she's doing it. But me, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Think about you being undefeated and then almost half your
fights haven't gone you know, like that's not a bad rink,
that's not bad proportionately, but they act like it's bad.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Yes, yes, And that's the same thing with her. I
feel as though she once again, she's the greatest I
ever seen, Like I watched her from She's the greatest.
Like her mental is like different. So I'm a fan
of Clarissa.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I know you guys are in different way classes. You
think she could beat you, then.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
No can in a ring with But Carissa is like
she a girl. So it's like it's different, like I
don't I barely want to hit her like I would
be in the ring, Like no, I don't want to
hear like that's my sister too, So it's like nah.
But she definitely knows she.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Want to fight. Man though she don't care. That's why
she's like, I do it, I.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Fight, Leave her little brother alone. Let me be.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I think she could fight her man. I would like
to see. I will watch her verse Jake Paul, she
would yeah, I will watch.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I will watch the fight our boxer.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I will watch the fight. That's all I'm gonna say.
For sure, will watch that ship.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Somebody set it up check.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Immediately, all right, Well, Saturday July twelve, Williamson Petta versus
Kora Stevenson. We're putting that money for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I need a knockout, bro. I don't want to show
Judge's cards. I don't want to know you DS, none
of that. I can't.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I can't promise you.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I just want you to.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I can't promise you if I'm gonna knock this guy
out because if he got a head that he could punishment.
That's the fact that's on whom.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm putting the pressure on your chanl.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
I like the pressure. I'm gonna perform.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
No, man, that's all I want to see perform. Good
luck this weekend. Man can't wait to see it. Brother.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And then is it to order to order the fight
it's on? Is it on his own or what?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I think it's on his own?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, it's on his own all right. Just had to
make sure so for people who are gonna be having
fight parties watching the fight. You could order it on
his own. But if you could pull up, pull up
Speaker 2 (31:27):
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