September 8, 2025 • 41 mins
Shareza Jackson On Love, Scandal, & the Fight for Justice | Love Con Revenge + More
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Flash, what's up? It's way up for angela Ye, and
what an honor to have Shariza Jackson here with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you for joining me, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know on Netflix right now, there's a series called
Love con Revenge and your story is featured on that series. Yes,
and so I'm glad that you're joining us today to
talk about what happened to you because this is a
situation where you were conned out of almost two million dollars, right,
and nothing has happened to this man that And do
(00:32):
we have to say allegedly or can we how does
that work? I just want to make sure I'm doing
the right LINGO.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We can still say allegedly. Okay, and we could say allegedly,
but the thing is, you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Know what happened. I'll say allegedly. You can say this
is what happened, right, all right, So allegedly Kanju. And
you are a very intelligent woman, Fortune five hundred company
best selling author, you know, doing the right thing, helping
your man out, so you thought at the time. So
just talk to me about who Sharisa Jackson is even
before this man Dorian came into your life.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Again, Schariza Jackson Schreisa j has always been just a
condhearted person, right. I grew up in an urban city,
you know, in the city, had my daughter's young took
care of my girls by myself, went to college, finished school,
did everything that I needed to do. I was a
team mom. Started working for a fortune five hundred company, traveled,
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wrote books, public speaking, just doing my thing, right, you know,
just minding my business, taking care of my girls. It's
always been me and my girls, right, and very successful.
You know. I owned my own home, had everything going
for myself, Okay, and I guess I was targeted, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So the way that this happened, the man that you
connected with, you actually went to high school with him.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, he was a senior when I was a freshman.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
But did you guys know each other?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
They knew each other, but knew we didn't know each
other just around.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But they're still so type of like familiarity, and you're like, okay,
we went to the same high school. We know each other.
So how did he approach you on Facebook? Because you
say you feel like you were targeted, Well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He approached me as any other person would you know,
he reached out. He was just like, hey, I like
to have lunch at you when I come down there.
He's told me he was living in Florida. I mean
he was living in Georgia at the time. And he
finished his message with when you have a minute, put
me in it, and then he put doctor Wilkerson.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Okay, he's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was like, okay, all right, you know, and I
was like, okay, I'll let you know. But then, you know,
years passed by. We really he had reached out to
me since like two thousand and nine. We really didn't
connect until twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, so he came out to see you or he
was saying he was in town or how did.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I actually went up there for a business trip? Okay,
and I told him, hey, I'd be in town. You know,
we can do lunch and we It's so funny now
because honestly, I'm so over Angela. It's like, it's sad
when you think about it. But he picked me up
in this very nice Bentley from my hotel. Okay, found
out later it wasn't his, but he picked me up
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in this nice Bentley. Really, you know, Lavish took me
to his loft to change, came to pick me up
in hospital scrubs by the way.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because he's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's a doctor, he's a medical doctor. He's an MD.
He works for Emory Hospital. So he picked me up
in his scrubs, said he had to go to the
house to change. Took me to this thirtieth floor condo
that I found out wasn't in his name changed, you know,
and we went out, took me out for a night
on the town. You know, we had fun, and that
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was that. I went back home.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You thinking he's matching my success, Like I'm a successful homeowner,
mother person, and now here it comes this man. He's
a doctor, you know, he seems like he had stuff
stuff together, has.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A heart of gold. It seemed like. But when I
go back and look at my social media, and this
is something we have to be careful with certain things
that we know put out there because people are watching
and they will use certain things against you. But on
my social media, I'm out there feeding the homeless. I'm
out there, and you know, you want to show that
that you're helping and you're giving back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It also inspires other people who want to do the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And you have these people that are targeting you and
it's kind of like everything that I was he mirrored. Okay,
so it was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But that's a shame sit reason because I don't want
you to feel like you can't still be who you
are because you don't know who you know what I'm saying.
I think sometimes we blame ourselves because you're like, man,
even right now, you're like, well, I got to watch
what I put on social media, you know, like this
guy was maniacal and doing the things that he did.
It's not anything that you did wrong. You're living your
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life really being who you are. It's not your fault
that other people don't do the same thing right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And that's true. I appreciate that. I appreciate that because
you know, I'm the person that always said is like,
why as black women we got to be humble? Right
While we always got to be humble, why can't we
show who we are in real life? And that's who
we are? You know, we always are.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Accountlishments doing the exact things that we're doing in the
community because we don't want to seem like, you know,
we're bagging all that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, I mean, it's crazy, like and you basically
just kind of took me back full circle to me
practicing what I preach, right, because I mean it's the truth.
We do dumb down ourselves and we don't want to
show certain things because we act like we don't want to,
you know, show off. Right. But it's like.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You were tired to get to that, right, you know,
imagine being a team mom. Some people feel like that's
such a handicap, and and the truth is that's a
superpower and the way that you've been able to handle
yourself because you think about like a lot of stuff
that you do, you're doing to make sure that you're
providing a great example and a better life for your children. Right, absolutely,
all right, So now let's get to when things got
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more serious.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Between the between the two of us. Okay, So he
decided that, for whatever reason, he wanted to be exclusive,
He wanted to move to Florida. He just wanted to
be you know, with me. I had all the characteristics
of the women he were he was dating. Now here's
another thing about narcissism and narcissists. They play on your
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intelligence and they really listen to everything that you say.
And do they listen. They're very intelligent. And I even
told the police department. When I was trying to report him,
I said, listen, this man is dangerously clever. I mean
dangerously clever. So he basically said that he was dating
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several women. He told me that, but he was just
dating several women. So now you're looking at this person
like you're honest. Wow. Yeah, I'm dating several women. I
date one for this reason, one for that reason, one
for this reason. But I found someone that carries all
the characteristics that these people have. And I want to
be exclusive. I want to be with you. I want
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to move to Florida. And I'm thinking, Okay, you're in Atlanta,
you're a successful doctor, you're in memory. Now. I can
work from anywhere. You know my company, I can be remote.
So I'm thinking, I'm going to be moving to Georgia
if we're going to get married and be serious. No,
he said he wanted to move to Florida. But I
later found out that he was running from Georgia. Oh,
he had to he had to leave. He was pushed
out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So were you posting him on social media?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
See, that's the thing because if you would have right,
or if he would have posted you, then there could
have been somebody that alerted you, like says, watch out
because X, Y and Z happened.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
All right, so he moves to Florida. I didn't post
him until we got engaged. So after we got engaged
and we had already set the wedding data, and your.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Daughters loved him, thought he was amazing and he was
doing all the right things. And so he opened up
a business when he got there because he was a
quote unquote doctor.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Even though there's no epidemiologists they work for the CDC
that travel with the CDC. I mean, this dude has
like recordings and videos of himself saying he went to
Morehouse School of Medicine. Like you're literally saying this stuff
on social media. I pulled him up. I pulled him up,
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and he came up on LinkedIn and Google and different things.
But he had made his self look so good his reputation.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Let me tell you something. When I watched some of
these I was watching one of these documentaries, it was
like a crypto scam that someone was doing and they
basically took a random they made up a random profile
on LinkedIn, the person that went to Princeton. You know,
they just will make up what because you could put
anything on LinkedIn? Who is letting that out? And so
somebody will go to search you and they see you
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on LinkedIn and they think it's real, like, oh, this
person went to Harvard, this person went to Princeton. These
are the accolades that they have. And somebody's not checking
and verifying that. It's so easy to make it seem like.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And then you're thinking, this person would not be all
on social media is saying these things about himself if
it's not true, because you're not.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Thinking, I don't somebody that was at high school? Right?
All right? So now fast forward. He starts he wants
to start a business, and he convinces you to invest
in his business. All right, so tell me how that happened.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So he basically, you know, we're getting we're getting married.
Now we're an item. We're going to be one, right,
so you know, I they he wanted to acquire this business,
this cosmetic surgery center. He wanted to acquire the business,
needed a lot of money to invest it. Emptied out
my four oh one K, did all of that, sold
my home, put some of that towards that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Everything, all right. A couple of things here. I want
to ask you this because this is this is so
disgusting to me that he would do something like this.
When he came to he was so he.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Moved in with you, moved into my home, moved.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Into your home. Was he investing money also into this business?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so he had some money, some funds.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I found out later that the fund that he had
because it seemed like, okay, he's doing pretty good. He
said he worked for the CDC. They pay him every
forty five days. Like this is the story. As I
go back and I talk to other women and other victims,
it's the same story. Like we're literally laughing sharing the
same story right that he's saying. But he had actually
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another woman prior to me, where he got all this
money from that person. And now he has this money
to kind of spend on me, to buy engagement rings
and do different things because you took this money from
this person.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
All right, so now you empty out your for a
one k. And I want to say, for anybody listening,
any man that would convince you to do those things
and take those risks, like yeah, no, yeah, that's y'all
got to figure out another way, Like yeah, we're taking
out a you know, line of credit or the other ways.
And so yeah, because I do feel like also for
people listening, like let this be like this should raise
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some suspicion because you went through it, so now you
know and hind site right what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And you know what, Angela, what I want to say
is because you know you'll have people, you know, you
got the people out there. Oh that will never happen
to me.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I will until it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Until it happens, because your girl feel like she real smart,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, I want to say because I worked on
a whole documentary with Jennifer Williams and Basketball Wives where
she got kind of and I just remember people on
social media when I interviewed her, and it was during
the pandemic calling her dumb, saying this and the shame
that you put on somebody who is the person that
is actually a victim of someone who is a terrible
human being, right that, Like it's so backwards to me
(11:35):
that we're attacking the person who actually had the good heart,
who thought they found somebody who was in love instead
of the person who is the kind artist, right, Like,
why is it?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And that's what makes me the villain becomes the hero.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's what makes people sometimes nervous to come forward to
want to tell their stories because you feel dumb.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right right. And the thing is with me, it was
the opposite, you know, it was the opposite because I
build my brand off of ant's parency. I talk about
me being a teen mom. I talk about me having
five dollars to my name, putting it in an offering
plate and then got an eight thousand dollars return on
investment just for having faith. So I talk about my downfalls.
I talk about losing, you know, I talk about, you know,
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my daughter's father being murdered when I was five months pregnant.
I talk about so much. So now it's like, oh,
you're gonna f around to find out. Yeah, Because what
he said to me, knowing that I'm an author, knowing
that I go around and do public speaking and do
different things, and that I have mentees that people that
really look up to me women, what he said to
me is that you're not gonna file for divorce. You're
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too worried about your reputation.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Your image. He thought that was going to be said,
that he thought your image and concerned about that was
going to protect him, right, was it ever a thought
to you?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I was a shame Angela. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was shamed. I was hurt. I was mad at
myself for a little bit because I'm like, how could you?
You know, you go back thinking what you could have done.
But at the end of the day, what I had
to come to grips with is that you did nothing wrong.
You cared about the wrong person, You trusted the wrong person.
I was literally sleeping with the enemy. I was literally
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sleeping next to this man every night, in love and
giving myself to this person. So it's embarrassing to have
to come out and say this is what happened to me,
or this is the reason for the divorce, or this
man's isn't even who he said he was.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So tell me what it was like for you now
when you when did you find out and what was
that like when you got like I don't know if
it was like that first message you got where somebody
tried to alert you. But tell me when you started
realizing and when things started unrattling.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I can say that people did reach out to me,
you know, prior like during the during the marriage, and
I'm not going to say people because they would come
on fake pages. But he was so good at just
I mean, like, right now, you're portraying yourself as a pastor,
so right people now, right now, we speak, right now,
right now, as we speak, he is pastor doctor Lorian Wilkerson.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, so you gained the trust of people, and he
had when I tell you the gift to gab, like,
if you only use that for good as opposed to evil,
you would have been so successful in life. But he
knows how to If I'm like, well this person said this, like,
oh let me respond or I'll respond to them, or
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this person is saying this, but he's like, remember I
told you, and he did. He said, listen, a lot
of women are going to be upset that we're getting married.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Right because he was dating several women, right, So he
set it up like, dude, was good.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
People gonna be upset come after you. They're going to
say things that are not true. He made that very clear.
So now I'm like, okay. So when it did come,
it's kind of like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
This is what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And then you know you're reaching out to me from
fake pages. You know. One person actually said you know
who they were, but it was more so, oh, he's
no good, not he's not this person, He's not that person.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And it's like, yeah, these women are just going to
be upset, they're jealous you have what they want.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Exactly okay, exactly. So he was just so good, I
mean he was He's very good. I mean, no same name,
Like he really feels like he's untouchable until.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Me somebody laid him hands.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I basically was like, you know what, I can
fall up and feel position, or I can fight like
the warrior that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
When did you realize? Like what what what did it
take for you to finally be like I'm done? Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I got I want to say it was like an
article because a tragedy happened at the center back in
like twenty twenty one, and later they started, you know,
asking questions and investigating, and it was an article. And
I reached out to the editor who wrote the person
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that wrote the article, asking to meet with them and
asking like, what are you hearing? What did you find?
Because I read this article that says this person doesn't
even have never even had a medical license in Georgia.
As he told me, he like, this person is not
who he said he is. So I was like, well,
what are you? Oh, I just did a search in
Georgia and kind of telling me things. So long story short,
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when I had the opportunity I had wrote a book,
I wrote the book. The book became like, you know,
very you know, like a great seller. Successful women get
played to mastering the art of owning your ish, keeping
yoursh Can I curse on?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Go ahead? Please? Okay, you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Successful women get played to mastering the art of owning
your shit, keeping your shit, and keeping it moving. So
it was basically about my story. I talked about what
it happened to me, and when I wrote the book,
it was more so therapy for me because a lot
of things that had happened after I wrote the book.
It's not in the book right because it happened after
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what happened after, But this when I when I wrote
the book, it kind of alerted certain people. And with
the Netflix VCU series, I met Cecilia, I met the
PI from The Tender Swindler and the PI because you know,
they're looking at my story. It became global Daily Mail
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did an article articles, so they saw it, and I'm
just like, I don't know who this person is and
I just need clarification. So that's when Briann came in
the PI awesome Brian Cecilia. I mean when I tell you,
they're awesome, but really have the passion to get justice
for people of romance fraud. So they went and did
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their investigating and they brought so much back to me.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What did the police do when you because I have
to assume you went and wanted to file a report
and figure out what was that process and what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, and this is another thing that I definitely want
to touch on, is the injustice and the systemic gender
bias that we have, especially where I was in South Florida.
I went to the police department. I'm telling them, this
man is dangerously clever. This is prior to him going
to file in his false police report against me, which,
by the way, all the charges just got dropped in
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June of this year.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yes it's that long. Yes, you know, I got a
whole series coming out, put a book out, had articles,
but it just got gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So I go to them and I say, listen, laying
everything out, this is what I found out about this person.
He's not this person. He's literally you're touching these women.
You're doing consultations and touching women's body, and you're not
even who you say you are licensed to do. You
can't do that. So I'm telling them. They literally brushed
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me off, and I said, I don't know what he's
capable of. This man is dangerously clever. He goes to
the police department. He tells them, oh, she wrote, she
put a check in our joint account, and she spent
all the money. And that's a long story short. It
was a check that came in his name. He told
me to sign it, put in a joint account. He
used the money, I used the money, I paid bills,
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he splurged whatever. But he said he never knew nothing
about the account. He lied to them on several occasions.
When you read the actual police report, it's lies within
the police report, like straight lies that I had they
properly investigated and had they really looked because he said
he was served divorce papers in March. Now, if he
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was served in March in the state of Florida, now
that means his money is his money. My money is
my money, so we can't touch it. It's separate. But
so he told them that you could have pulled up
Clerk of Courts. I'm telling I didn't file for divorce
until April, but he has this unsworn statement, so many lies.
At the end of the day, the State Attorney's office
wrote up their memorandum and basically said they found him
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not credible. But it took you. This happened. I had
to turn myself in because they ended up putting the
warn out from my arrest, putting a warn out for
my arrest. I had to turn myself in. And you
know what I did, angel I put my own mugshot
out there. I told my daughters, when the mug shot
comes out, So I said, nobody is going to create
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my narrative.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's right, that you have to take that power. I
tack the power because he's thinking that you're going to
be ashamed and banned, and instead you get a step
ahead and be like, here's what's happening, and everybody's following
the story and now there's a Netflix series, right, and
I wonder if the police department also knows that that's happening,
and then like, we better make sure we clear up.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, I don't I don't know, but I think I
need to come for him.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I mean, because no you do. So he's just
now a pastor living his best life and you lost. Now,
at first I saw it was one point four million,
So how much money would you estimate?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So what can be accounted for is about one point
four when I go through all of my you know,
expenses and looking at everything, and then ended up having
to file bankruptcy because how in the hell am I
going to recover from that? And that's another thing, the
whole bankruptcy laws against black women. There's a whole study
with MIT that talks about how the disparities come to
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women women of color that tried to file bankruptcy and
get their life back and rebuild. I'm a victim of
romance fraud. It's documented. So to give me a hard
time is very disheartening because I'm still going through that
prices on top of everything, on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So they had to shut down the medical center.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And so all that money that you cast out invested
in gone.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Gone right, everything gone. Lawsuits on top of lawsuits on
top of lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And your name in those lawsuits too.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Wow, lawsuits on top of lawsuits, those came and it's
kind of like, how am I going to rebuild from this?
Like I have to move on. So, you know, unfortunately,
when we and this is a very important part of this,
because this should have been a red flag immediately when
we went through the divorce, you know, there was a house,
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and I end up saying, you know what, God has
so much more for me. I don't want to fight
get I was trying to be quiet. I tried to
have a very quiet divorce and just be done. But
of course when greed kicks in, greed kicks in. I said, listen,
just take half of the money from the house and
you can go, Like I just want to be done.
I told my attorney that I told his attorney, well,
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you know, his attorney communicated with my attorney and that
was the deal. He had to sign a non prosecution
at for David if he wanted the money, and of
course Connor if they want the money. So he had
to sign a non prosecution at for David to drop
these bogus charges and he get the money. I dropped
my civil lawsuit because I literally Angelo. This was in
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twenty twenty four, last year may. I said, I just
want to move on with my life. I just want
to be done. You know, I'm in my soft girl era.
We'll talk about that later, but yeah, I just want
to be done. Right. So I did what I was
supposed to do. They disbursed the money to him. He
went back to the state and told them after he
got the money that he didn't want to drop the charges.
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He wanted to pursue the charges. But he signed, and
he signed it. The case should have been over then.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, you already signed a paperwork and took.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Over a year for them to drop those charges to
see that he was a liar. This is wild, it's crazy.
And the thing is like literally and stress. He will
go in the court and this man can lie. So
the household that he grew up with, they are all deceased.
So his brother passed away, his stepdad and his mom,
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they're all deceased. But his extended family they thought he
was a medical doctor as well. His extended family. Yeah,
his extended family. And one you know, said to me,
I thought he's Oh, I just thought he stopped practicing
because his mom got sick. I thought I always thought
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he was a doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She said, is really wild that he deceived so many people,
I think, but the fact that he had his whole family,
they weren't in on it. They just believed him, right,
he believed him.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
They weren't in on it. They weren't in on it.
They believed him, and you know they will still, I guess,
support him whatever he's going through. I don't know. I
really don't care.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Is there a chance for him to still get arrested
or because now you're telling your story, right, and sometimes
when that happens, it does reopen cases or hope.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So because I'm not the only one that filed, you know,
complaints against him, he actually committed bankruptcy fraud. He I mean,
like right now, in twenty fifteen, he said that he
was married to someone that he wasn't and filed bankruptcy
before we actually became married. We didn't get We got
married in twenty sixteen. So he had filed bankruptcy and
(24:49):
said he was married to someone that he wasn't, said
that he was. He put in the bankruptcy that he
was a medical doctor on the forms. They didn't catch that,
right because so think about.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It, look at you, the detective, and they're like, I'm
giving you this.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Telling you think about it, someone who has been doing
this for over twenty years. Like you, you in your field,
you've been doing it for how many years?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Twenty wow?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Twenty years years? He was so good. You've been doing
it for twenty years. So you're what we could say,
a subject matter expert. Right, So think about somebody who's
been conning women. Every con gets better and easier. They
learn from their mistakes and they do it better the
next time.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Let me tell you this is with Jennifer. The guy
that she dated was cunning people for like over twenty years. Also,
I told you he kind of his own family members,
so many different women. And you know what's wild is
that he even was with another woman while this is
all happening, and while she had a show on TV
about it, and she they reached out to the woman
(25:51):
and let her know, and he managed to convince her.
Even to this day you know that she was lying.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. Oh, and not to mention on one of the sermons,
like his sermon that he has right now is pastor
doctor Dorian Wilkerson. He's saying that he's married again. He
said that, you know, I honor my wife my prayer
partner who who let me put a prayer room in
the house.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
This is what this person is in this congregation.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm just about twelve, it's about fifteen years. It's small.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I was like, I know it's mega church and nothing
because that would be wild.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
No, no mega church, Because now is there.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
A way for you to recuperate any of this or
is that just over and done with? Like is there
I know that you're moving on with your life and
this and you want to close that financial part of
it and rebuild, but is there any way for you
to recuperate any of this?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I you know, I feel like the legal system literally
let me down. The justice system let me down because
I tried to tell them and I get so scared
because these type of people, they will kill you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You go, you go to law for man and we
had an issue. You probably saw it down in Broward
County where that happened. This lady was going to the
trying to fire a straining order against this man and
then he ended up killing her. So at one point,
like I was really afraid from my life and telling
them like listen, he's dangerously clever. I don't know what
he's capable of. You know, my daughters had already said
(27:18):
to me, like, listen, you were always getting sick. I
have not been sick since I was always like probably
was right, that's what you know that yeah, saying allegedly and.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Like physically.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
He said he had a ram in the bush. That's
what he said to me before. He was like, oh,
I have a ram in the bush. So I took
that as a threat and I went to the police department,
Mirror mar police department, that's the city that we lived in,
and I'm gonna put him out there. I went to
them and I said, listen, this is the things that
he's saying now when he said he had a ram
in the bush. Now, hindsight, I kind of think it
(27:54):
was when he went and fo the false police support
Angela on his false police support. He he he even
has plastic surgeon on there, like are you guys not looking?
You guys wrote this. It says plastic surgeon. So is
there a way for me to recoup only through you know,
the legal system. I would say, you know, they did
(28:15):
me wrong. They did me wrong. I was wrongfully arrested.
I had to go turn myself in my daughters were
devastating that they were devastated. And then you know, social
media is social media. Oh Sreza arrested for fraud.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And now, how does this affect how you feel about
dating moving forward to because I can't even imagine the
type of PTSD that you have from a case like this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
From the beginning, I actually wrote an article in Black Love.
I always said that I'm still not afraid to love again.
I'm not afraid to love again because I'm love. I
deserve love, I deserve to be loved. So it really
has not hindered me. It really hasn't because I said
this person was a character. He wasn't even real, right,
And that's how I had to kind of, you know,
(29:09):
fix my mind to understand that this is a character,
he wasn't real. All this was fake. Now my dad,
who's an Army VET who worked for the Inspector General's office,
like he's now it's like when you meet somebody I
need to know, like, because you know, I didn't tell
him everything. And me and my dad are very tight.
So he said, my dad is you Like? I don't
want my dad to go carry wise very wise, right,
(29:32):
So I didn't tell him a lot of things that
he feels like. You know, had you said it to me,
I would have thought, no, that's not right. Had you
told me you were about to go sell your house
and do this, I would have been like, so.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You won't really tell anybody you were doing all those things.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. And you know it's crazy
because it's probably because I knew something wasn't right about it,
because you knew what people were going to say.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, you knew everybody was going to talk you out
of it, and he probably didn't want you to tell him.
Buddy also, and then he kept me from Yeah, that's
they always say, that's one of the signs anybody that
tries to isolate you from your family and close friends.
That's always like a warning sign that somebody is trying
to manipulate and do things to you.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But loving again, No, because I'm there. I'm there, like
right now, like have met like the best person to
hear that when I when I tell you, you see,
I'm blushing already, Like I'm got your girl cooking and
cleaning and being very domestic, you know, and I'm like, listen,
soft girl, is what you claim it to be? Right,
(30:33):
because people are like, oh, soft girl, what y'all talking
about soft girl era? And I had to realize that
I'm still a boss, you know what I mean, I'm
still a boss. I'm still gonna take care of business
you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And I think taking your power back. And that's part
of why, Like when I worked on this other docu
series that I did, it was also about like taking
the power back because some of the people who were
victims of his were able to speak and get their
story out. And some of them dated back like so
long ago, and they never thought that they would have
a chance to tell their story.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
There were people who literally like had to rebuild from
the ground up, also got their credit. There were men
that he was sleeping with that he swindled.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I mean allegedly, so was this person.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I feel like people like that are so like
they don't care where it's coming from. If I gotta
you know whatever, No, it's true to get a check.
Will There's some people that are ruthless like that, they
don't care who they're swindling. They will figure it out
become whoever it is that they need to become. Now
he's a pastor, you know what, I'm saying, and now
he's swindling church members and probably.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like you're laying hands on people like that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Has he said anything or reached out once he found
out that this, you know, because this is out right
now on Netflix for people to be able to watch
Love con Revenge, Has he reached out or said anything or.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Not that I'm aware of. I know they they gave
him a right to reply.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, he has to have a right to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
He declined, of course he did. So that's all I know.
Now that it's out right, it's out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, we're gonna tell everybody. Make sure you watch this
in its entirety, make sure you spread the word, make
sure and I know right now, you also want to
be able to help other women, yes, who are going
through this. I'm you know, getting fraudulently taken advantage of
in the name of romance.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So I started a foundation called RAW Respect All Women.
And it's not just about romance fraud. It's about the injustice.
You know, women who are told they're too loud, too emotional,
you know Black women that they're trying to silence, They're
trying to silence us from telling our stories. And RAW
(32:38):
is really a resource Center where I am dedicating, you know,
my life to be an advocate for women, you know,
and making sure that we're respected and we receive the
justice that we deserve, whether it's through helping them find
a bankruptcy attorney. So I'm partnering with different attorneys, family law,
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criminal law, therapists, partnering with different resources to say, Okay,
they may not have this right now, so what can
we do to help? You know? And that's basically what
it is, because I always say, in each one of us,
there's all of us, and my story may not be
your story, but you have a story. And the thing is,
(33:21):
we're so afraid to share our story because we as women,
not just women of color, but we as women tend
to judge one another more so than pour into one another.
And it's communities out there that love on each other.
It's real communities out there. And I always say, I
was so hurt by my own women who basically kind
(33:43):
of tore me down doing this process and you know,
basically you know, had their judgmental ways and different things.
But then I said, you know what my grandma always said,
if you do good, folks gonna talk about you. If
you do bad. Folks still talk about you, So just
do good. All I try to do is the right
thing for the right reasons around people. And I can
(34:04):
say that through all this, Angela, one thing I never
lost was my peace.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I never lost my pass, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Survivor like cause honestly, I can't even fathom what it
must be like to and like I said, I've witnessed
a lot of different things happening. I mean I was
in the courtroom with my friends trying to you know,
so and what you went through, I mean actually like
married this man and thought because it's also the loss
of what you thought was going to be your life partner,
you know, and finding out somebody wasn't who you thought
(34:33):
he was. But it is also true that what they say,
what doesn't break you, makes you stronger. And so maybe
this is the path for you to be on too,
Because there's a lot of people who don't have a voice,
who aren't going to have a Netflix series, who aren't
going to have a daily mail highlighting their story, that
will never have an opportunity for their voice to be heard,
that can actually now feel like maybe something can happen.
(34:54):
Maybe there's a way that I have to keep on
pursuing this because so many people will be like, well
forget it, like there's nothing I could do it about it,
and just suffer.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And his past victims, that's what they did. They ran
out of resources, they lost their voices, or they were
worried about their career.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It was surprising to you that you heard from one
of the past victims.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
What was surprising?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, like what was something that you would like?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Dang? Well one was a guy, right, so that was
like you're like, I didn't know he okay? Really, like
I mean and it's not okay, nothing on the gay community,
let me just say that. But the fact that you're
being deceitful, you know, that's the problem, the deception. And
(35:39):
I was like, wow, so.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He's like a chameleon. He'll be whatever, he will.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Be whoever he needs to be, bottom side everything, like whatever,
it's going to be who he is. And I think
that kind of surprised me. But then it's always you
think back because I never forget. One time he sent
I read a text message that he sent a friend
(36:03):
and it said I need to see you. Who sends
another man that like that's normally something that you send
to a woman or.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Somebody, somebody romantic and you didn't think he was gay
because he was with.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You, right, So I was just like, that was weird.
But that always stuck in the back of my mind,
always stuck in the back of my mind. But you know,
my story is my story, and.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's gonna be all we all get to watch your
full you haven't seen it yet. I love kind revenge.
Did you meet all the other women too.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That I have not? I have not one of them, Jill.
We actually exchange information like on social media and we
kind of talk, but I'm excited to meet the rest
of the women. And there's also one man on there.
Like it's not romance. Fraud is not to one gender.
It's just more so it happens to us or we're
(36:57):
talking and.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
They get you know, the reason they treated differently because
they think that you just made a silly mistake in
the name of love. Like you gave him access to this,
you gave him the money, you invested the money. He
didn't steal it from you, But he was signing over
lines of credit and your name and all kinds of
things that you had nothing to do with, right, So
that's the fraudulent part. Yes, you may have emptied out
Soldier House and invested money into this company that didn't
(37:21):
work and found out later that he wasn't adopted. But
he was doing way more than just that. Yeah, you
know what I mean. And sometimes they look at it like, well,
you voluntarily gave this man.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But there's laws to this stuff. When I told you that,
I probably need to go ahead and just go to
law school after this because I had to write my
own motions because I ended up letting my attorney go
wrote my own motion, won my motion the way. Yes,
there we go on my motion and everything. So I've
learned so much and legally because another thing, he said
(37:53):
he was only married twice. I mean he said he
was married once. I was his second wife. I was
his fifth wife. Yeah, he's saying he's married again. So
it's crazy. But all that that has happened to me.
It is called theft by deception. It's literally organized crime
because it's so many women. It's literally rico, Right, this
(38:13):
happens to women and there's no accountability.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, you're right. So this is a crime like we
saw attend this when there we were talking about this
before the interview how he became like a hero to
some people, like, wow, how do he manage?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah? Yeah, And this is what people will say about
my story as well, you know, because people are ignorant.
And when I say ignorant, I really mean just not knowing.
You know, hurt people, hurt people. There has to be
some This is a mental illness. It's a mental issue,
like for someone to just really I don't know morally,
I just like I could not just hurt somebody intentionally.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I can and a whole family, because it's not just you.
Do you want to see him in jail?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I do, Okay. I want justice, sir. I want to
be able to I want my money back, you know
what I mean. I want to get something back. I
would say, you know, through the legal system. I want
something back him. I'm probably never gonna get anything right
because he's just he cons people. He puts things to
(39:17):
other people's names so he can walk away from it.
And that's another thing that he did put some things
in my name, and you were able to walk away
from it. And then I'm getting you're stuck with it.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Have you been able to rebuild financially? Like, how are you?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm trying because with the criminal case that was against me,
I mean going back to Fortune five hundred companies and
putting that in so guess what, you know, what happens,
They pull your background. I was so close to getting
tereveral positions. They pull your background. And because I'm a
six seven figure earner, you know, when I'm in corporate America,
I have that that those skills, but they're not going
(39:55):
to hire you because you have a background. Now, so
I have to go and get all that taken care
of him. In the process of getting it taken care
of because they just dropped the charges in June and
actually officially dropped it July eighteenth, that way, so it
took a month, right, it took a month once they
announced it was dropping. But yeah, it's been hard, but
(40:16):
I'm trying. I'm rebuilding this love con revenge. You know,
I think look at it as a stepping saw. I'm
a writer. I have a stage play that I wrote.
Oh okay, so you know we could probably get together.
This needs to be a movie. My story needs to
be a movie.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, I just put it out there to Angeloy and
I'm about to make a movie.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You can get Okay, we're gonna figure this out. Yeah,
because when I tell you, I cannot wait for everybody
to see this. And we're gonna watch this as a family.
If you haven't seen it yet, it's on right now
on Netflix, and I'm gonna discuss this on Monday for
everybody so they have a chance to see it too. Awesome, awesome, Well, Shaisa,
thank you so much for joining me today. I appreciate
you sharing your story and sharing your story with the
(40:53):
world because I know it's not easy, but I know
it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's necessary, and we appreciate you, and I appreciate you
for all the work you're doing for women as well.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
All Right, well, thank you so much. It's way up, HM.
Flash, what's up? It's way up for angela Ye, and
what an honor to have Shariza Jackson here with me today.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you for joining me, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know on Netflix right now, there's a series called
Love con Revenge and your story is featured on that series. Yes,
and so I'm glad that you're joining us today to
talk about what happened to you because this is a
situation where you were conned out of almost two million dollars, right,
and nothing has happened to this man that And do
(00:32):
we have to say allegedly or can we how does
that work? I just want to make sure I'm doing
the right LINGO.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We can still say allegedly. Okay, and we could say allegedly,
but the thing is, you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Know what happened. I'll say allegedly. You can say this
is what happened, right, all right, So allegedly Kanju. And
you are a very intelligent woman, Fortune five hundred company
best selling author, you know, doing the right thing, helping
your man out, so you thought at the time. So
just talk to me about who Sharisa Jackson is even
before this man Dorian came into your life.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Again, Schariza Jackson Schreisa j has always been just a
condhearted person, right. I grew up in an urban city,
you know, in the city, had my daughter's young took
care of my girls by myself, went to college, finished school,
did everything that I needed to do. I was a
team mom. Started working for a fortune five hundred company, traveled,
(01:29):
wrote books, public speaking, just doing my thing, right, you know,
just minding my business, taking care of my girls. It's
always been me and my girls, right, and very successful.
You know. I owned my own home, had everything going
for myself, Okay, and I guess I was targeted, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So the way that this happened, the man that you
connected with, you actually went to high school with him.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, he was a senior when I was a freshman.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
But did you guys know each other?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
They knew each other, but knew we didn't know each
other just around.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But they're still so type of like familiarity, and you're like, okay,
we went to the same high school. We know each other.
So how did he approach you on Facebook? Because you
say you feel like you were targeted, Well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He approached me as any other person would you know,
he reached out. He was just like, hey, I like
to have lunch at you when I come down there.
He's told me he was living in Florida. I mean
he was living in Georgia at the time. And he
finished his message with when you have a minute, put
me in it, and then he put doctor Wilkerson.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Okay, he's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I was like, okay, all right, you know, and I
was like, okay, I'll let you know. But then, you know,
years passed by. We really he had reached out to
me since like two thousand and nine. We really didn't
connect until twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, so he came out to see you or he
was saying he was in town or how did.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I actually went up there for a business trip? Okay,
and I told him, hey, I'd be in town. You know,
we can do lunch and we It's so funny now
because honestly, I'm so over Angela. It's like, it's sad
when you think about it. But he picked me up
in this very nice Bentley from my hotel. Okay, found
out later it wasn't his, but he picked me up
(03:09):
in this nice Bentley. Really, you know, Lavish took me
to his loft to change, came to pick me up
in hospital scrubs by the way.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because he's a doctor.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's a doctor, he's a medical doctor. He's an MD.
He works for Emory Hospital. So he picked me up
in his scrubs, said he had to go to the
house to change. Took me to this thirtieth floor condo
that I found out wasn't in his name changed, you know,
and we went out, took me out for a night
on the town. You know, we had fun, and that
(03:41):
was that. I went back home.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You thinking he's matching my success, Like I'm a successful homeowner,
mother person, and now here it comes this man. He's
a doctor, you know, he seems like he had stuff
stuff together, has.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A heart of gold. It seemed like. But when I
go back and look at my social media, and this
is something we have to be careful with certain things
that we know put out there because people are watching
and they will use certain things against you. But on
my social media, I'm out there feeding the homeless. I'm
out there, and you know, you want to show that
that you're helping and you're giving back.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It also inspires other people who want to do the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And you have these people that are targeting you and
it's kind of like everything that I was he mirrored. Okay,
so it was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But that's a shame sit reason because I don't want
you to feel like you can't still be who you
are because you don't know who you know what I'm saying.
I think sometimes we blame ourselves because you're like, man,
even right now, you're like, well, I got to watch
what I put on social media, you know, like this
guy was maniacal and doing the things that he did.
It's not anything that you did wrong. You're living your
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life really being who you are. It's not your fault
that other people don't do the same thing right.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And that's true. I appreciate that. I appreciate that because
you know, I'm the person that always said is like,
why as black women we got to be humble? Right
While we always got to be humble, why can't we
show who we are in real life? And that's who
we are? You know, we always are.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Accountlishments doing the exact things that we're doing in the
community because we don't want to seem like, you know,
we're bagging all that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, I mean, it's crazy, like and you basically
just kind of took me back full circle to me
practicing what I preach, right, because I mean it's the truth.
We do dumb down ourselves and we don't want to
show certain things because we act like we don't want to,
you know, show off. Right. But it's like.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
You were tired to get to that, right, you know,
imagine being a team mom. Some people feel like that's
such a handicap, and and the truth is that's a
superpower and the way that you've been able to handle
yourself because you think about like a lot of stuff
that you do, you're doing to make sure that you're
providing a great example and a better life for your children. Right, absolutely,
all right, So now let's get to when things got
(05:57):
more serious.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Between the between the two of us. Okay, So he
decided that, for whatever reason, he wanted to be exclusive,
He wanted to move to Florida. He just wanted to
be you know, with me. I had all the characteristics
of the women he were he was dating. Now here's
another thing about narcissism and narcissists. They play on your
(06:20):
intelligence and they really listen to everything that you say.
And do they listen. They're very intelligent. And I even
told the police department. When I was trying to report him,
I said, listen, this man is dangerously clever. I mean
dangerously clever. So he basically said that he was dating
(06:40):
several women. He told me that, but he was just
dating several women. So now you're looking at this person
like you're honest. Wow. Yeah, I'm dating several women. I
date one for this reason, one for that reason, one
for this reason. But I found someone that carries all
the characteristics that these people have. And I want to
be exclusive. I want to be with you. I want
(07:03):
to move to Florida. And I'm thinking, Okay, you're in Atlanta,
you're a successful doctor, you're in memory. Now. I can
work from anywhere. You know my company, I can be remote.
So I'm thinking, I'm going to be moving to Georgia
if we're going to get married and be serious. No,
he said he wanted to move to Florida. But I
later found out that he was running from Georgia. Oh,
he had to he had to leave. He was pushed
out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So were you posting him on social media?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
See, that's the thing because if you would have right,
or if he would have posted you, then there could
have been somebody that alerted you, like says, watch out
because X, Y and Z happened.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
All right, so he moves to Florida. I didn't post
him until we got engaged. So after we got engaged
and we had already set the wedding data, and your.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Daughters loved him, thought he was amazing and he was
doing all the right things. And so he opened up
a business when he got there because he was a
quote unquote doctor.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Even though there's no epidemiologists they work for the CDC
that travel with the CDC. I mean, this dude has
like recordings and videos of himself saying he went to
Morehouse School of Medicine. Like you're literally saying this stuff
on social media. I pulled him up. I pulled him up,
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and he came up on LinkedIn and Google and different things.
But he had made his self look so good his reputation.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Let me tell you something. When I watched some of
these I was watching one of these documentaries, it was
like a crypto scam that someone was doing and they
basically took a random they made up a random profile
on LinkedIn, the person that went to Princeton. You know,
they just will make up what because you could put
anything on LinkedIn? Who is letting that out? And so
somebody will go to search you and they see you
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on LinkedIn and they think it's real, like, oh, this
person went to Harvard, this person went to Princeton. These
are the accolades that they have. And somebody's not checking
and verifying that. It's so easy to make it seem like.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And then you're thinking, this person would not be all
on social media is saying these things about himself if
it's not true, because you're not.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Thinking, I don't somebody that was at high school? Right?
All right? So now fast forward. He starts he wants
to start a business, and he convinces you to invest
in his business. All right, so tell me how that happened.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So he basically, you know, we're getting we're getting married.
Now we're an item. We're going to be one, right,
so you know, I they he wanted to acquire this business,
this cosmetic surgery center. He wanted to acquire the business,
needed a lot of money to invest it. Emptied out
my four oh one K, did all of that, sold
my home, put some of that towards that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Everything, all right. A couple of things here. I want
to ask you this because this is this is so
disgusting to me that he would do something like this.
When he came to he was so he.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Moved in with you, moved into my home, moved.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Into your home. Was he investing money also into this business?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so he had some money, some funds.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I found out later that the fund that he had
because it seemed like, okay, he's doing pretty good. He
said he worked for the CDC. They pay him every
forty five days. Like this is the story. As I
go back and I talk to other women and other victims,
it's the same story. Like we're literally laughing sharing the
same story right that he's saying. But he had actually
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another woman prior to me, where he got all this
money from that person. And now he has this money
to kind of spend on me, to buy engagement rings
and do different things because you took this money from
this person.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
All right, so now you empty out your for a
one k. And I want to say, for anybody listening,
any man that would convince you to do those things
and take those risks, like yeah, no, yeah, that's y'all
got to figure out another way, Like yeah, we're taking
out a you know, line of credit or the other ways.
And so yeah, because I do feel like also for
people listening, like let this be like this should raise
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some suspicion because you went through it, so now you
know and hind site right what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And you know what, Angela, what I want to say
is because you know you'll have people, you know, you
got the people out there. Oh that will never happen
to me.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I will until it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Until it happens, because your girl feel like she real smart,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, I want to say because I worked on
a whole documentary with Jennifer Williams and Basketball Wives where
she got kind of and I just remember people on
social media when I interviewed her, and it was during
the pandemic calling her dumb, saying this and the shame
that you put on somebody who is the person that
is actually a victim of someone who is a terrible
human being, right that, Like it's so backwards to me
(11:35):
that we're attacking the person who actually had the good heart,
who thought they found somebody who was in love instead
of the person who is the kind artist, right, Like,
why is it?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
And that's what makes me the villain becomes the hero.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's what makes people sometimes nervous to come forward to
want to tell their stories because you feel dumb.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right right. And the thing is with me, it was
the opposite, you know, it was the opposite because I
build my brand off of ant's parency. I talk about
me being a teen mom. I talk about me having
five dollars to my name, putting it in an offering
plate and then got an eight thousand dollars return on
investment just for having faith. So I talk about my downfalls.
I talk about losing, you know, I talk about, you know,
(12:15):
my daughter's father being murdered when I was five months pregnant.
I talk about so much. So now it's like, oh,
you're gonna f around to find out. Yeah, Because what
he said to me, knowing that I'm an author, knowing
that I go around and do public speaking and do
different things, and that I have mentees that people that
really look up to me women, what he said to
me is that you're not gonna file for divorce. You're
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too worried about your reputation.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Your image. He thought that was going to be said,
that he thought your image and concerned about that was
going to protect him, right, was it ever a thought
to you?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I was a shame Angela. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I was.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I was shamed. I was hurt. I was mad at
myself for a little bit because I'm like, how could you?
You know, you go back thinking what you could have done.
But at the end of the day, what I had
to come to grips with is that you did nothing wrong.
You cared about the wrong person, You trusted the wrong person.
I was literally sleeping with the enemy. I was literally
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sleeping next to this man every night, in love and
giving myself to this person. So it's embarrassing to have
to come out and say this is what happened to me,
or this is the reason for the divorce, or this
man's isn't even who he said he was.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So tell me what it was like for you now
when you when did you find out and what was
that like when you got like I don't know if
it was like that first message you got where somebody
tried to alert you. But tell me when you started
realizing and when things started unrattling.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So I can say that people did reach out to me,
you know, prior like during the during the marriage, and
I'm not going to say people because they would come
on fake pages. But he was so good at just
I mean, like, right now, you're portraying yourself as a pastor,
so right people now, right now, we speak, right now,
right now, as we speak, he is pastor doctor Lorian Wilkerson.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Okay, so you gained the trust of people, and he
had when I tell you the gift to gab, like,
if you only use that for good as opposed to evil,
you would have been so successful in life. But he
knows how to If I'm like, well this person said this, like,
oh let me respond or I'll respond to them, or
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this person is saying this, but he's like, remember I
told you, and he did. He said, listen, a lot
of women are going to be upset that we're getting married.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Right because he was dating several women, right, So he
set it up like, dude, was good.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
People gonna be upset come after you. They're going to
say things that are not true. He made that very clear.
So now I'm like, okay. So when it did come,
it's kind of like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
This is what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And then you know you're reaching out to me from
fake pages. You know. One person actually said you know
who they were, but it was more so, oh, he's
no good, not he's not this person, He's not that person.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And it's like, yeah, these women are just going to
be upset, they're jealous you have what they want.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Exactly okay, exactly. So he was just so good, I
mean he was He's very good. I mean, no same name,
Like he really feels like he's untouchable until.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Me somebody laid him hands.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I basically was like, you know what, I can
fall up and feel position, or I can fight like
the warrior that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
When did you realize? Like what what what did it
take for you to finally be like I'm done? Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I got I want to say it was like an
article because a tragedy happened at the center back in
like twenty twenty one, and later they started, you know,
asking questions and investigating, and it was an article. And
I reached out to the editor who wrote the person
(16:03):
that wrote the article, asking to meet with them and
asking like, what are you hearing? What did you find?
Because I read this article that says this person doesn't
even have never even had a medical license in Georgia.
As he told me, he like, this person is not
who he said he is. So I was like, well,
what are you? Oh, I just did a search in
Georgia and kind of telling me things. So long story short,
(16:23):
when I had the opportunity I had wrote a book,
I wrote the book. The book became like, you know,
very you know, like a great seller. Successful women get
played to mastering the art of owning your ish, keeping
yoursh Can I curse on?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Go ahead? Please? Okay, you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Successful women get played to mastering the art of owning
your shit, keeping your shit, and keeping it moving. So
it was basically about my story. I talked about what
it happened to me, and when I wrote the book,
it was more so therapy for me because a lot
of things that had happened after I wrote the book.
It's not in the book right because it happened after
(17:02):
what happened after, But this when I when I wrote
the book, it kind of alerted certain people. And with
the Netflix VCU series, I met Cecilia, I met the
PI from The Tender Swindler and the PI because you know,
they're looking at my story. It became global Daily Mail
(17:23):
did an article articles, so they saw it, and I'm
just like, I don't know who this person is and
I just need clarification. So that's when Briann came in
the PI awesome Brian Cecilia. I mean when I tell you,
they're awesome, but really have the passion to get justice
for people of romance fraud. So they went and did
(17:46):
their investigating and they brought so much back to me.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What did the police do when you because I have
to assume you went and wanted to file a report
and figure out what was that process and what happened.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, and this is another thing that I definitely want
to touch on, is the injustice and the systemic gender
bias that we have, especially where I was in South Florida.
I went to the police department. I'm telling them, this
man is dangerously clever. This is prior to him going
to file in his false police report against me, which,
by the way, all the charges just got dropped in
(18:18):
June of this year.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yes it's that long. Yes, you know, I got a
whole series coming out, put a book out, had articles,
but it just got gotcha.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So I go to them and I say, listen, laying
everything out, this is what I found out about this person.
He's not this person. He's literally you're touching these women.
You're doing consultations and touching women's body, and you're not
even who you say you are licensed to do. You
can't do that. So I'm telling them. They literally brushed
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me off, and I said, I don't know what he's
capable of. This man is dangerously clever. He goes to
the police department. He tells them, oh, she wrote, she
put a check in our joint account, and she spent
all the money. And that's a long story short. It
was a check that came in his name. He told
me to sign it, put in a joint account. He
used the money, I used the money, I paid bills,
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he splurged whatever. But he said he never knew nothing
about the account. He lied to them on several occasions.
When you read the actual police report, it's lies within
the police report, like straight lies that I had they
properly investigated and had they really looked because he said
he was served divorce papers in March. Now, if he
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was served in March in the state of Florida, now
that means his money is his money. My money is
my money, so we can't touch it. It's separate. But
so he told them that you could have pulled up
Clerk of Courts. I'm telling I didn't file for divorce
until April, but he has this unsworn statement, so many lies.
At the end of the day, the State Attorney's office
wrote up their memorandum and basically said they found him
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not credible. But it took you. This happened. I had
to turn myself in because they ended up putting the
warn out from my arrest, putting a warn out for
my arrest. I had to turn myself in. And you
know what I did, angel I put my own mugshot
out there. I told my daughters, when the mug shot
comes out, So I said, nobody is going to create
(20:11):
my narrative.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's right, that you have to take that power. I
tack the power because he's thinking that you're going to
be ashamed and banned, and instead you get a step
ahead and be like, here's what's happening, and everybody's following
the story and now there's a Netflix series, right, and
I wonder if the police department also knows that that's happening,
and then like, we better make sure we clear up.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, I don't I don't know, but I think I
need to come for him.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I mean, because no you do. So he's just
now a pastor living his best life and you lost. Now,
at first I saw it was one point four million,
So how much money would you estimate?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So what can be accounted for is about one point
four when I go through all of my you know,
expenses and looking at everything, and then ended up having
to file bankruptcy because how in the hell am I
going to recover from that? And that's another thing, the
whole bankruptcy laws against black women. There's a whole study
with MIT that talks about how the disparities come to
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women women of color that tried to file bankruptcy and
get their life back and rebuild. I'm a victim of
romance fraud. It's documented. So to give me a hard
time is very disheartening because I'm still going through that
prices on top of everything, on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So they had to shut down the medical center.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
And so all that money that you cast out invested
in gone.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Gone right, everything gone. Lawsuits on top of lawsuits on
top of lawsuits.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And your name in those lawsuits too.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Wow, lawsuits on top of lawsuits, those came and it's
kind of like, how am I going to rebuild from this?
Like I have to move on. So, you know, unfortunately,
when we and this is a very important part of this,
because this should have been a red flag immediately when
we went through the divorce, you know, there was a house,
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and I end up saying, you know what, God has
so much more for me. I don't want to fight
get I was trying to be quiet. I tried to
have a very quiet divorce and just be done. But
of course when greed kicks in, greed kicks in. I said, listen,
just take half of the money from the house and
you can go, Like I just want to be done.
I told my attorney that I told his attorney, well,
(22:23):
you know, his attorney communicated with my attorney and that
was the deal. He had to sign a non prosecution
at for David if he wanted the money, and of
course Connor if they want the money. So he had
to sign a non prosecution at for David to drop
these bogus charges and he get the money. I dropped
my civil lawsuit because I literally Angelo. This was in
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twenty twenty four, last year may. I said, I just
want to move on with my life. I just want
to be done. You know, I'm in my soft girl era.
We'll talk about that later, but yeah, I just want
to be done. Right. So I did what I was
supposed to do. They disbursed the money to him. He
went back to the state and told them after he
got the money that he didn't want to drop the charges.
(23:05):
He wanted to pursue the charges. But he signed, and
he signed it. The case should have been over then.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, you already signed a paperwork and took.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Over a year for them to drop those charges to
see that he was a liar. This is wild, it's crazy.
And the thing is like literally and stress. He will
go in the court and this man can lie. So
the household that he grew up with, they are all deceased.
So his brother passed away, his stepdad and his mom,
(23:38):
they're all deceased. But his extended family they thought he
was a medical doctor as well. His extended family. Yeah,
his extended family. And one you know, said to me,
I thought he's Oh, I just thought he stopped practicing
because his mom got sick. I thought I always thought
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he was a doctor.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
She said, is really wild that he deceived so many people,
I think, but the fact that he had his whole family,
they weren't in on it. They just believed him, right,
he believed him.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
They weren't in on it. They weren't in on it.
They believed him, and you know they will still, I guess,
support him whatever he's going through. I don't know. I
really don't care.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Is there a chance for him to still get arrested
or because now you're telling your story, right, and sometimes
when that happens, it does reopen cases or hope.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So because I'm not the only one that filed, you know,
complaints against him, he actually committed bankruptcy fraud. He I mean,
like right now, in twenty fifteen, he said that he
was married to someone that he wasn't and filed bankruptcy
before we actually became married. We didn't get We got
married in twenty sixteen. So he had filed bankruptcy and
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said he was married to someone that he wasn't, said
that he was. He put in the bankruptcy that he
was a medical doctor on the forms. They didn't catch that,
right because so think about.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It, look at you, the detective, and they're like, I'm
giving you this.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Telling you think about it, someone who has been doing
this for over twenty years. Like you, you in your field,
you've been doing it for how many years?
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Twenty wow?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Twenty years years? He was so good. You've been doing
it for twenty years. So you're what we could say,
a subject matter expert. Right, So think about somebody who's
been conning women. Every con gets better and easier. They
learn from their mistakes and they do it better the
next time.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Let me tell you this is with Jennifer. The guy
that she dated was cunning people for like over twenty years. Also,
I told you he kind of his own family members,
so many different women. And you know what's wild is
that he even was with another woman while this is
all happening, and while she had a show on TV
about it, and she they reached out to the woman
(25:51):
and let her know, and he managed to convince her.
Even to this day you know that she was lying.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. Oh, and not to mention on one of the sermons,
like his sermon that he has right now is pastor
doctor Dorian Wilkerson. He's saying that he's married again. He
said that, you know, I honor my wife my prayer
partner who who let me put a prayer room in
the house.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
This is what this person is in this congregation.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm just about twelve, it's about fifteen years. It's small.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I was like, I know it's mega church and nothing
because that would be wild.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
No, no mega church, Because now is there.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
A way for you to recuperate any of this or
is that just over and done with? Like is there
I know that you're moving on with your life and
this and you want to close that financial part of
it and rebuild, but is there any way for you
to recuperate any of this?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I you know, I feel like the legal system literally
let me down. The justice system let me down because
I tried to tell them and I get so scared
because these type of people, they will kill you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You go, you go to law for man and we
had an issue. You probably saw it down in Broward
County where that happened. This lady was going to the
trying to fire a straining order against this man and
then he ended up killing her. So at one point,
like I was really afraid from my life and telling
them like listen, he's dangerously clever. I don't know what
he's capable of. You know, my daughters had already said
(27:18):
to me, like, listen, you were always getting sick. I
have not been sick since I was always like probably
was right, that's what you know that yeah, saying allegedly and.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Like physically.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
He said he had a ram in the bush. That's
what he said to me before. He was like, oh,
I have a ram in the bush. So I took
that as a threat and I went to the police department,
Mirror mar police department, that's the city that we lived in,
and I'm gonna put him out there. I went to
them and I said, listen, this is the things that
he's saying now when he said he had a ram
in the bush. Now, hindsight, I kind of think it
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was when he went and fo the false police support
Angela on his false police support. He he he even
has plastic surgeon on there, like are you guys not looking?
You guys wrote this. It says plastic surgeon. So is
there a way for me to recoup only through you know,
the legal system. I would say, you know, they did
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me wrong. They did me wrong. I was wrongfully arrested.
I had to go turn myself in my daughters were
devastating that they were devastated. And then you know, social
media is social media. Oh Sreza arrested for fraud.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And now, how does this affect how you feel about
dating moving forward to because I can't even imagine the
type of PTSD that you have from a case like this.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
From the beginning, I actually wrote an article in Black Love.
I always said that I'm still not afraid to love again.
I'm not afraid to love again because I'm love. I
deserve love, I deserve to be loved. So it really
has not hindered me. It really hasn't because I said
this person was a character. He wasn't even real, right,
And that's how I had to kind of, you know,
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fix my mind to understand that this is a character,
he wasn't real. All this was fake. Now my dad,
who's an Army VET who worked for the Inspector General's office,
like he's now it's like when you meet somebody I
need to know, like, because you know, I didn't tell
him everything. And me and my dad are very tight.
So he said, my dad is you Like? I don't
want my dad to go carry wise very wise, right,
(29:32):
So I didn't tell him a lot of things that
he feels like. You know, had you said it to me,
I would have thought, no, that's not right. Had you
told me you were about to go sell your house
and do this, I would have been like, so.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You won't really tell anybody you were doing all those things.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. And you know it's crazy
because it's probably because I knew something wasn't right about it,
because you knew what people were going to say.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, you knew everybody was going to talk you out
of it, and he probably didn't want you to tell him.
Buddy also, and then he kept me from Yeah, that's
they always say, that's one of the signs anybody that
tries to isolate you from your family and close friends.
That's always like a warning sign that somebody is trying
to manipulate and do things to you.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But loving again, No, because I'm there. I'm there, like
right now, like have met like the best person to
hear that when I when I tell you, you see,
I'm blushing already, Like I'm got your girl cooking and
cleaning and being very domestic, you know, and I'm like, listen,
soft girl, is what you claim it to be? Right,
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because people are like, oh, soft girl, what y'all talking
about soft girl era? And I had to realize that
I'm still a boss, you know what I mean, I'm
still a boss. I'm still gonna take care of business
you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And I think taking your power back. And that's part
of why, Like when I worked on this other docu
series that I did, it was also about like taking
the power back because some of the people who were
victims of his were able to speak and get their
story out. And some of them dated back like so
long ago, and they never thought that they would have
a chance to tell their story.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
There were people who literally like had to rebuild from
the ground up, also got their credit. There were men
that he was sleeping with that he swindled.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I mean allegedly, so was this person.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I feel like people like that are so like
they don't care where it's coming from. If I gotta
you know whatever, No, it's true to get a check.
Will There's some people that are ruthless like that, they
don't care who they're swindling. They will figure it out
become whoever it is that they need to become. Now
he's a pastor, you know what, I'm saying, and now
he's swindling church members and probably.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Like you're laying hands on people like that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Has he said anything or reached out once he found
out that this, you know, because this is out right
now on Netflix for people to be able to watch
Love con Revenge, Has he reached out or said anything or.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Not that I'm aware of. I know they they gave
him a right to reply.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, he has to have a right to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
He declined, of course he did. So that's all I know.
Now that it's out right, it's out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, we're gonna tell everybody. Make sure you watch this
in its entirety, make sure you spread the word, make
sure and I know right now, you also want to
be able to help other women, yes, who are going
through this. I'm you know, getting fraudulently taken advantage of
in the name of romance.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So I started a foundation called RAW Respect All Women.
And it's not just about romance fraud. It's about the injustice.
You know, women who are told they're too loud, too emotional,
you know Black women that they're trying to silence, They're
trying to silence us from telling our stories. And RAW
(32:38):
is really a resource Center where I am dedicating, you know,
my life to be an advocate for women, you know,
and making sure that we're respected and we receive the
justice that we deserve, whether it's through helping them find
a bankruptcy attorney. So I'm partnering with different attorneys, family law,
(33:00):
criminal law, therapists, partnering with different resources to say, Okay,
they may not have this right now, so what can
we do to help? You know? And that's basically what
it is, because I always say, in each one of us,
there's all of us, and my story may not be
your story, but you have a story. And the thing is,
(33:21):
we're so afraid to share our story because we as women,
not just women of color, but we as women tend
to judge one another more so than pour into one another.
And it's communities out there that love on each other.
It's real communities out there. And I always say, I
was so hurt by my own women who basically kind
(33:43):
of tore me down doing this process and you know,
basically you know, had their judgmental ways and different things.
But then I said, you know what my grandma always said,
if you do good, folks gonna talk about you. If
you do bad. Folks still talk about you, So just
do good. All I try to do is the right
thing for the right reasons around people. And I can
(34:04):
say that through all this, Angela, one thing I never
lost was my peace.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I never lost my pass, that's true.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Survivor like cause honestly, I can't even fathom what it
must be like to and like I said, I've witnessed
a lot of different things happening. I mean I was
in the courtroom with my friends trying to you know,
so and what you went through, I mean actually like
married this man and thought because it's also the loss
of what you thought was going to be your life partner,
you know, and finding out somebody wasn't who you thought
(34:33):
he was. But it is also true that what they say,
what doesn't break you, makes you stronger. And so maybe
this is the path for you to be on too,
Because there's a lot of people who don't have a voice,
who aren't going to have a Netflix series, who aren't
going to have a daily mail highlighting their story, that
will never have an opportunity for their voice to be heard,
that can actually now feel like maybe something can happen.
(34:54):
Maybe there's a way that I have to keep on
pursuing this because so many people will be like, well
forget it, like there's nothing I could do it about it,
and just suffer.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
And his past victims, that's what they did. They ran
out of resources, they lost their voices, or they were
worried about their career.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
It was surprising to you that you heard from one
of the past victims.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
What was surprising?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, like what was something that you would like?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Dang? Well one was a guy, right, so that was
like you're like, I didn't know he okay? Really, like
I mean and it's not okay, nothing on the gay community,
let me just say that. But the fact that you're
being deceitful, you know, that's the problem, the deception. And
(35:39):
I was like, wow, so.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He's like a chameleon. He'll be whatever, he will.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Be whoever he needs to be, bottom side everything, like whatever,
it's going to be who he is. And I think
that kind of surprised me. But then it's always you
think back because I never forget. One time he sent
I read a text message that he sent a friend
(36:03):
and it said I need to see you. Who sends
another man that like that's normally something that you send
to a woman or.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Somebody, somebody romantic and you didn't think he was gay
because he was with.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You, right, So I was just like, that was weird.
But that always stuck in the back of my mind,
always stuck in the back of my mind. But you know,
my story is my story, and.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's gonna be all we all get to watch your
full you haven't seen it yet. I love kind revenge.
Did you meet all the other women too.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That I have not? I have not one of them, Jill.
We actually exchange information like on social media and we
kind of talk, but I'm excited to meet the rest
of the women. And there's also one man on there.
Like it's not romance. Fraud is not to one gender.
It's just more so it happens to us or we're
(36:57):
talking and.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
They get you know, the reason they treated differently because
they think that you just made a silly mistake in
the name of love. Like you gave him access to this,
you gave him the money, you invested the money. He
didn't steal it from you, But he was signing over
lines of credit and your name and all kinds of
things that you had nothing to do with, right, So
that's the fraudulent part. Yes, you may have emptied out
Soldier House and invested money into this company that didn't
(37:21):
work and found out later that he wasn't adopted. But
he was doing way more than just that. Yeah, you
know what I mean. And sometimes they look at it like, well,
you voluntarily gave this man.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But there's laws to this stuff. When I told you that,
I probably need to go ahead and just go to
law school after this because I had to write my
own motions because I ended up letting my attorney go
wrote my own motion, won my motion the way. Yes,
there we go on my motion and everything. So I've
learned so much and legally because another thing, he said
(37:53):
he was only married twice. I mean he said he
was married once. I was his second wife. I was
his fifth wife. Yeah, he's saying he's married again. So
it's crazy. But all that that has happened to me.
It is called theft by deception. It's literally organized crime
because it's so many women. It's literally rico, Right, this
(38:13):
happens to women and there's no accountability.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, you're right. So this is a crime like we
saw attend this when there we were talking about this
before the interview how he became like a hero to
some people, like, wow, how do he manage?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah? Yeah, And this is what people will say about
my story as well, you know, because people are ignorant.
And when I say ignorant, I really mean just not knowing.
You know, hurt people, hurt people. There has to be
some This is a mental illness. It's a mental issue,
like for someone to just really I don't know morally,
I just like I could not just hurt somebody intentionally.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I can and a whole family, because it's not just you.
Do you want to see him in jail?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I do, Okay. I want justice, sir. I want to
be able to I want my money back, you know
what I mean. I want to get something back. I
would say, you know, through the legal system. I want
something back him. I'm probably never gonna get anything right
because he's just he cons people. He puts things to
(39:17):
other people's names so he can walk away from it.
And that's another thing that he did put some things
in my name, and you were able to walk away
from it. And then I'm getting you're stuck with it.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Have you been able to rebuild financially? Like, how are you?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm trying because with the criminal case that was against me,
I mean going back to Fortune five hundred companies and
putting that in so guess what, you know, what happens,
They pull your background. I was so close to getting
tereveral positions. They pull your background. And because I'm a
six seven figure earner, you know, when I'm in corporate America,
I have that that those skills, but they're not going
(39:55):
to hire you because you have a background. Now, so
I have to go and get all that taken care
of him. In the process of getting it taken care
of because they just dropped the charges in June and
actually officially dropped it July eighteenth, that way, so it
took a month, right, it took a month once they
announced it was dropping. But yeah, it's been hard, but
(40:16):
I'm trying. I'm rebuilding this love con revenge. You know,
I think look at it as a stepping saw. I'm
a writer. I have a stage play that I wrote.
Oh okay, so you know we could probably get together.
This needs to be a movie. My story needs to
be a movie.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Here you go.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, I just put it out there to Angeloy and
I'm about to make a movie.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You can get Okay, we're gonna figure this out. Yeah,
because when I tell you, I cannot wait for everybody
to see this. And we're gonna watch this as a family.
If you haven't seen it yet, it's on right now
on Netflix, and I'm gonna discuss this on Monday for
everybody so they have a chance to see it too. Awesome, awesome, Well, Shaisa,
thank you so much for joining me today. I appreciate
you sharing your story and sharing your story with the
(40:53):
world because I know it's not easy, but I know
it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's necessary, and we appreciate you, and I appreciate you
for all the work you're doing for women as well.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
All Right, well, thank you so much. It's way up, HM.
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