November 6, 2025 • 25 mins
Vanessa Bell Calloway Talks Mac & Cheese & The Vince Staples Show Season 2 + More
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up his way up?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But Angela, he and definitely a legend. Legends only are
here today and that's about callaway. Thank you for joining
me today, Thank you for having me. Do you and listen.
We just had like, you know, the whole cast of
Unexpected Christmas here, but now you're here, and you're definitely
somebody that I think everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And they were all my friends. So it's good to
see them all.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I told them.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I was like, I know you all know each other,
somebody you have worked together to see them?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, you have worked with several of them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, you know, how is it to know that like
having been had such a legendary moments and even from
like I don't know too many people that we could
look at a body of work that they've done like
decades ago and be like that's still so important to
us today.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, you know, you never know what the job is
going to be when you get it. When you're getting something,
you just want a job most of the times. And
then you like the script, or you like the people,
or you you know, it's for whatever reason it attracts you,
it attracts you. But the bonus is when you do
something thing and then years later it still stands, it
still holds out.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's like Halloween costumes from me, like.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Come to America. I get every year. I get pictures
of girls in their prom dresses. I get bridal look alikes.
Of course, Halloween is huge, and who knew that. Nobody
knew that. I didn't know that that was going to
be one of the most iconic girls in the movie.
So you do something, and when you do it with
the right heart and the spirit because you like it,
and then you want to bring it justice, then the
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rest of it takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I want to ask you know the Vince Staples Show,
Season two is coming out, and season one, you have
a really funny episode with macaroni and cheese right right
as Vince's.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Mother on the show. And that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's a real thing, baby, because I make a mean
mac and cheese too.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh yeah, you cook.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Don't be bringing your stuff to my house. I got it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Just some MC and teese questions for you now.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But on that particular episode, there was like a little
beef because somebody else bought the mac and teese even
though they knew that was your thing, right and it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was I'm an outshine her, you know, outshine a Nina Honey.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No, all right, so mac and cheese, bread crimes are
no no break crumbs?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Okay? What about and now I.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Remember we had Corey hart took up here, and I
feel like he said he put cream a mushroom.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No creama mushroom.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay. I was just asking, So what is your macaroni
and teaese?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I make a room. I make a good root with
good butter, lots of cheese, heavy cream, and then you
mix it in and then you lay her cheese on
top of it and you use about five six different cheeses.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How long have you been cooking? Because I know that's
a thing for you too.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I've been cooking for a long time. You know. I
used to be you know, when I was living here
in New York by myself, I cooked for myself. It
was very healthy. But then when I got married and
had my first daughter, who's now thirty five, so I've
been married thirty seven years, I realized that my husband
needed some food. He didn't want to eat fish and
vegetables all the time, and especially when my first daughter
was born. She was born for very healthy appetite, so
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I started doing gourmet cooking glasses. That was my thing.
Like the kids would come home from school, I get
them together that I would run and do gourmet cooking classes.
And I did that for years and I just love cooking.
But my favorite thing is to make tablescapes. People follow
my Instagram to see what tables I'm setting up. That's
one of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And it is holiday season town.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, I have a good time during holiday.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Now. I can see you with like your own line
of like I've.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Been wanting to do that, my own line of a
lot of stuff. Linens. I love linens, I love cutlery,
I love china, I love glasses. I mean you should
see my house. I look like a rental.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Holidays with you is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, I love it because I set a table. You
don't do any plastic plates. I can't stand them. Tenfoil things.
I can't stand that. Don't be bringing no dish over,
no tenfoil, and don't have me. You know you go
to people's houses not as a picnic. I get it.
Don't be giving me no paper plate, no plastic four
and a paper napkin. When you come to my house,
you sit down and you have a proper setting and
a proper meal.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now you've worked with a lot of veterans, being a
veteran yourself, but with Vince Staples him getting his own show,
it's very I would say, dry humor, deadpan. It's red, yes, psycasm.
You know a lot of deadpan humor. What drew you
to that script in that show? I want to know
how that even happens.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, you know, they approached me and I met with
them and I read you know, and and I like
the script, and my daughters, I'm to be honest, I
didn't know Vince was And my daughters, oh, mom, are
you kidding Vince Staples? And they went on and on
and they said, you know his music? I said I do.
And our kJ LHR station in La I listen, I said, Oh,
I do know his music. I have been hearing his music.
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I just didn't know that was him. But when I
met him, I was so it was so endearing. And
he's so serious. But that's what I like about him
because of his young age. He's so focused. He's so serious,
and he understands the importance of having his name on
this show, you know, so he takes up very seriously,
and just to work with him, to watch him navigate everything.
He's very hands on. He writes a lot of the episodes.
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He's a producer on Yeah, and he writes a lot
of the episodes, and he's very generous and wants to
make sure you're you're good and everybody's okay. So watching
him work was it's very inspirational to see that, and
I'm very, very proud of him. So all of that
drew me to it because you want to be in
a place where you appreciate it, where your work is
going to be valued, where you can get a chance
to really do some good work, and we're people going
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to be kind and it's a great fun set and
that's exactly what we have.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I remember when the first season ended and he was
really petitioning, like to get a second season, and he
was like calling for people to be like, come on.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You got to work for that. No, he had to
really work for that. It worked, and it worked. You see,
That's what I'm saying. He's driven, he's focused.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I was thinking because at the time, I was like,
do we already know there's a second season?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And he's doing the actually there, I think there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
But I've never seen that really happen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, it was. It was bleak. It was bleak because
I seriously I had the work came down to me
that it wouldn't happen, and I was disappointed. The months later,
they called my manager and said that we were doing
the season two and I was like, hall he Lou,
you're praise geez, that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is good and your character is so funny on there
is there any way that you could see yourself relating
to Anita as a they're his mom?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well some ways, of course, because I am a mother too,
but I don't speak to my children that way. Baby
Nita has a peppery mouth, as I saying, and I
don't speak to my children like that. Now. Have I
thought some of those things, Absolutely, I just haven't set them.
But I have two daughters, so that can be challenging
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and it has been challenging at times. But unlike Anita
and her daughter, we have worked through our differences so
that on the other side now because they're adults and
we have a very healthy, loving relationship. But you know,
there are any mother and daughter there have a time
where you gotta learn how to give your children boundary space,
and they will give you boundaries and you have to
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respect those boundaries, and you have to respect their opinions
on things because they are grown. And then you got
to remember that you raised them, so they should have
they should be equipped with everything that they need. And
luckily for me, my girls are so yeah, I relate
to that, you know, and mothers and black mother one
on one. You know, we kind of spicy. We say
we're gonna say the kids know what one look, we
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can shut you down. They know what it is.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Just went to HBCUSS.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes they are and members of my sority Alpha BA Alpha,
so yeah, oh wow, yes, okay, it's a family of
family affair. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I saw you do a post about HBCUs and.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I love HBCUs. I wish I would win to one.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But I love the fact that we talk about how
enrollment is down for colleges across the boarder, but they're
upus because you know what, we're gonna have to take
care of our own again. Because when people realize why
they were even created because they didn't want us in
their schools.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's why you have sororities and fraternities, because we didn't
have social clubs. We didn't have all that stuff, and
what with this country now, we're gonna have to all
go back to the old way of taking care of ourselves.
We need to rebuilds Oklahoma type things, you know roads. Well,
we need to rebuild our own communities and bring the
wealth back to our communities because they ain't they ain't
feeling us, they ain't checking for us. And as sooner
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you know that, the better off we're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know what has been exciting for me is we're
coming off elections just now and seeing what turnout was like,
Like here in New York City, we've had like the
highest turnout that we.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Had fifty years.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
People voted early at a you know, crazy rate, and
then we've seen a lot of first and I see
a lot of women winning elections across the nation. So
that to me has been something that shows me, like
I call it the Trump effect, because I feel like,
as much as things are really bad for people right now,
it's also forcing people to be like, Okay, you take
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ownership and make things better. Yeah, And I'm supposed to
come together and say what are we going to do together?
And I see so many people like helping each other
figuring out ways while you know, snap benefits are shut down,
everybody is like kind of stepping up to the plate,
realizing that we all got to get along.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We're going to help each other in our own communities.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, you know this role that you're in now, just
you've been doing this for this is like there was
no plan B for you when it comes to acting, dancing,
theater and all of that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I didn't, I mean I didn't. You know, you got
to first all believe yourself, and I really believed in myself,
and it was just so I mean, I used to
have dreams about me and stuff. I never forget one
time when I was doing the original company of dream
Girls and I was in the ensemble. This is in
the eighties, and I had this vivid dream of me
with Darnelle Williams and all my children. Because I wanted
to be on the show so bad, I used to
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send the casting director and producer notes and cards and
postcards all the time. I used to send them stuff constantly,
and I had a vivid dream of me and him
together doing the scene. I saw it and it happened.
It came to fruition. Wow. Yeah, so a lot of
things in my career, I scene or I've just I
just knew it was gonna happen, so I just keep going.
(09:38):
So no, there there was no plan. B. I was
gonna I dance. I was a concert dancer here in
New York for a while, and I did Broadway off Broadway,
did lots of commercials. I did a lot of that,
and then when I left to go out to California,
you know, my career just continued to grow. But it
was just never planned. B.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And I always say theater for people who start off
with theater, I feel like that is just such something
that it's so much harder than being on television.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yea, and everybody does everybody does film and TV can't
do theater. And everybody does theater can't do filming TV.
The did three very different entities, and I was just
two years ago. I was just doing Broadway back with
brill cast proly Victorious with Leslie Odom Junior, an amazing cast,
Carry Young, our Beautiful care my Baby to Tony Award winner.
(10:24):
But it was, you know, to go back to Broadway
was so great. I love theater. I had a one
woman show that I did for like over ten years
called letters from Zora's about Yes, I did it in
New Jersey, so you go. You know, I keep my
theater chops going because that is what keeps you just
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ready and primed. It's sharp, it's sharp, and you're right.
It's different because unlike cut, if you're doing a movie
or some television, you can flub, you can mess up,
you can start over. Once you open your mouth on
the stage, you gotta keep going. And if you mess up,
you gotta make it right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And people and you know, I'm sure that when you
do people in the audience don't even know, don't know because.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, you mean, like I've been on stage. We've
been on stage with people. They drop a lot, you drop,
You look at each other and somebody picked us ball up.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
But let's not talk over each other like somebody got
to do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We got to act. But you know, when you're a professional,
you were working with pros. They know how to get
it back on track.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, this business, like we've been saying, is something
that can make people feel like there's ups and downs,
you know with this, but it feels like you've had
a pretty steady and you know, obviously I don't know
what happens behind the scenes for you. But do you
feel like you've always had like a really steady.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like you know, I've had I've had lolls like anybody else.
I've had great winning moments, and I've had slow moments.
I've had victories and I've had losses. That's life. But
you just keep going and you try not to focus
on the things that didn't happen because they didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Right, talk about roles that they wish they would have
taken or that you know, I think there's roles that
you think you would you should.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Have gotten and you didn't. And most of the times
when I've been disappointed because I didn't get it, it's
never because you weren't good. It's other reasons it wasn't
and it wasn't yours. And then I'll see it and
I'll see the person they chose and I'll say, oh,
I get it. I see why they chose this person.
So it's just most times it's not in personal It's
a lot of times it's just relationships. You maybe even
a better actor than a person got the job, but
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they're better friends with the person who was given the job.
So that's a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, that's interesting you say that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I was looking at I did this story today and
they were talking about this show, this series that's out,
and I Kim Kardashian's.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
In it, and they are giving it like terrible reviews.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But I haven't read anything.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's what. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But honestly, it made me want to look at it
because now I'm like, are they doing it because they
can't stand her? And they, you know, like as an
Actresscause I also feel like sometimes people do get things
like you said, because they're friends or they have some
type of star power that may not be acting, but
people are going to tune in to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And right now, a lot of people get it because
they're influent, so they got high numbers.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That influencer thing, but people don't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But people don't realize is that numbers don't put people
in the seats. It does not, and numbers don't make
people turn the TV on all the time. So hey,
it was your it was your project. You can tell
her who you want. I you know, I ain't got
nothing to say about Kim doing it. I don't I'm
sure if I was out of taking a job too,
and nobody is born a brilliant actress. It's something you
have to work at. So maybe this is her time
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to work on her acting skills. I don't know, but
you know I ain't mad at nobody because it's hard
to get up in there. So you and everybody has
they want to get to arrive at the same spot.
But they have different roads and ways to get there.
But every lot of people want to end up on
a big screen, of the little screen or the music
on the radio. They just have different roads in which
they accomplished that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What are And I know you also work behind the scenes, right, yes,
directing and producing. So tell me when what was the
first thing that you directed?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Oh my god, the very first thing, okay you. I
was in dream Girls, yes, and one of our singers,
one of our chorus members, she had Redda Hughes was
her name, and she did a song called angel Man
about the Guardian angels here in La La and the
New York and I directed that for her. That's when
this is like the eighties. That's when you know you
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just took a camera out. That was the very first thing,
and I choreographed it as well. It was funny and
then I didn't do anything for a long time. But
you know, when you realize that you I've been because
I've been dancing, I choreographed, I've done all that. I've
been doing it for years, since I was in high school.
You just don't know that you're prepping yourself for that, right,
you know, and then one day you look up You're like, oh,
I know how to do this. It's like when I've
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really got in front of behind the camera. It was
an easy transition because I've been in front of the
camera for so long that I knew a lot more
than I thought I knew. And I love directing, and
I like the nuances and being the detail of things,
especially working with the characters, working with the actress. That's
the part I like the best. So yeah, you know,
you you just learned how to do it all because
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it's all it's already in there.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Do you love directing and producing?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Though I prefer I mean, I still love acting. I
don't love directing enough to give up my acting, but
I like them both.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's good to be able to fluidly move between.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And to move between. You know, It's it's difficult too,
you know, it's hard to get directing jobs. Last thing
I did was a movie. I directed a movie, Black
Girly Erupted for b ET that was on like what
the year ago, over a year ago. So yeah, it's
I'm not going to give up my acting career and
you better not. No, I'm not done with that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Ye mean, do you guys do on the Vince Staples Show, because.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, you know, it's written very well, so we really
don't have to do a lot. But in a moment
of anything, it's like, if it's working well and there's
some really good, interesting, real vibes going between you and
if we were doing the c and because you are
a natural, organic person, you may have something different to
add than what's on the page and you add it
because it works, it flows, and they're not going to
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say cut you added word, you know, but now you
can't rewrite the person's whole thing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But we do it scenes like when you guys are
in you know in the new season h getting a
rental car.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, I mean there's some things we lived and something,
but it was written well, so we really didn't have
to do a lot. And if you get to keep
the rhythm going, you don't really have time for a
lot of ad libs because you need to. You don't
want to stretch out the time, you know what I mean?
What was your own mother like? Oh, my mother was
she was feisty. Yeah she was, she is. She's still alive.
She's ninety now.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But oh wow, that's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, she's ninety. But she don't take no, didn't take Beverly,
didn't take no mess. No, honey, I never get. One time,
my sister, who's four years older than me, did something
and my mother jumped up and bob clocked her and
I said, ooh, I won't be messing.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
With Beverly and my business.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And yeah, I didn't mess with Beverley when I was young.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
No, she is good.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, sometimes I think parents are with your daughters.
And I'm going to ask you this about your mom too.
But sometimes acting can feel like this Hollywood. It can
be a little bit of an intimidating place, and you
can be concerned about like, you know, for you as
a young girl in this business, was that ever a concern.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
No, my mother was very supportive. She used to drive
me to those dance classes because that's when I discovered
dance and I was at the Caramel House because we
didn't have any money, so she got me a scholarship there,
and she was very diligent. She made sure I got
to all my dance classes and then when I started
doing plays, so she wasn't concerned. She was happy for me.
She used to fly to New York all the time
from Cleveland. When I started going on Broadway and started
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doing more things here, and she ended up moving here
for a while.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And yeah, so she was super hands on. She super
hands on.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I think that's how you have to be when you
have young kids in this kas too. You can't just like, well,
you know, you gotta want, you know. The best thing
to me is to want for your kids what they
want for themselves. I mean doctor's lawyers, like, of course,
you're like your child to go in your footsteps, I guess.
But if that's not their heart's desire, then let them
find them, you know, because sometimes it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Just because it worked for you doesn't mean they want
to do the same. What about your daughters, My daughters,
I'm so proud of my daughter's. My youngest daughter works
at Lionsgate. She's in a television department. She's married for
almost two years now. My oldest daughter is a literary
and talent manager Easter Ray's Color Creative and she was
one of the producers on one of them days. And
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she's she's in business school at UCLA Interest In School
of Business.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And they run with the kids. They run our family
businesses and they're doing their own thing. They like behind,
they like the industry, but they want to be on
the other side. Right, I'm happy with that. They've seen
me suffer enough. You feel like I've suffered. Yes, I mean,
like I said, I've had great moments, but I've had
a lot of you know, moments that could have been better.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Sure, right when you see like everybody you know talking
about I feel like it's just a time that where
I feel like people are able to open up more
about what their experiences have been like.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And I've seen that a lot more.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think you do yourself a disservice if you don't
be honest with yourself. First look at that mirror and
it is what it is, and be okay with it.
That doesn't define who I am or even who I
was at that moment, but it's all a part of
who I am now right. It makes you even better
and stronger, so you know you got to it is
what it is. Have you done a book? I currently
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am working on stuff said that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Now because I just feel like I would love to
see what that's, what that's going to be like, because
I feel like there's.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So many and everything's ready. I'll call you and you
can have me back on how about that?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Listen, I need to get like an advanced copy beforehand,
so I care we'll have all that ready.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What made you decide that now is the time?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Because I always think it's interesting when we decide, okay,
it's time to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Actually, it's something I've been working on for years and
it wasn't right, and I stopped, and I had I
even went through editing, and something was still missing for me.
And I'm not going to tell the premise of the book,
but I'll say this, it wasn't until I figured out
what I really wanted to say and what my point
of view was and who I was writing it for.
And if they are the only people that read it,
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then I've accomplished my goal. Hopefully other people will be
interested because of what's in it. But it just I've
been working on this book for it's almost embarrassing to say,
like fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't think that's embarrassing. I feel like I've heard
people say they've written their books too early.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, and it wasn't ready because I also, I wasn't
doing it for me. I was doing it because people
said you should write a book, you should write a book.
So I sat down and I started doing it. But
then as I read it, it was good, but it's like,
but what am I really trying to say? What does
it really want? Then I went through an editing phase
and it was like then I stopped, and then I
started listening to every audio book I could, you know,
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to see what I was missing other people had. But
it wasn't until earlier this year that it hit me.
And now I ferociously I'm trying to get everything back
and we're finishing it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Oh that's great, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I do think timing is everything, yes, and the conversations
that you can have, like you know, with your.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I can't believe I just toold you that because I
said I'm going to tell anybody anything, and I never
I've not been talking about this. You made me tell
my secret.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now that's good though, because do you know how many
people did you do it?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You did a deal.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh, you have a literary agent in the family.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So I ain't going through her.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Did you talk to them about it? Because I know, No,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I can't. I can't share with them, okay, because they're
involved too much.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right now, I was gonna say, I know, they don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
They don't even know. They just come into the house
because they drop their dogs off like it's doggy daycare.
So in the morning when they both on the way
to work, they drop the dogs off. They just know
I'm up early in the morning working in my room,
so they don't they have no idea what I'm doing.
So I hope they don't hear this interview.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well I hope they do, because I hope everyone hears
it but them about that. What are some things that
you feel like you still need to do, because I know,
like cooking is big for you. I know, like you said,
producing a directing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I feel like I need to direct more, you know,
I want to direct more. There's a lot of things
that that I just want to some stories that you
want stories I want to tell or help tell. Of course,
I just love any great acting brot. I want to
go back on broad I knew it. Okay, that's what
I want to go. But it's got to be something
more substantial. Because what I was here doing prole he
was great. But I gotta leave my house. I was
(22:07):
here for like over six months, living in somebody else's apartment, right,
you know, missing my family horribly because we're very close.
Although they would come and visit me, I was away
from everything I knew my dog, miss Ziggy terribly, you know.
So it's got to be something substantial that is worth
me leaving for. But I would do it at a heartbeat.
Anybody out there there's got a new broaways sure that's
(22:28):
looking for somebody like me. Oh gosh, I would do it. Yeah,
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well, I appreciate you for coming up here and just
sharing all this with me because I know you.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Got a busy pack schedule. But tell everybody watch Finnce Stables.
I'm gonna say this season two, but this is what
you gotta do. People, you gotta binge it. If you
haven't seen season two, please watch season one, turn it
on and let it go. I don't care if you
fall asleep and you get to go to the bathroom,
go to the grocery store. Just let it run it
all the way through.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, I had to go back and watch season
one because I feel like it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, we'll go back up. Watched season and then double
thumbs it at the end. Okay, Yeah, if you got
a double thumbs it and then watch season two after
you watch season one and the same thing, do not
turn it off and then go back if you need
to go back and see stuff and double thumbs it.
That helps Netflix decide if they want to give us
a season three, which I think we deserve because this
season is funny. I think people are gonna love it.
(23:21):
Vince is brilliant. He really He's very brilliant and his
writing and his whole concept, this whole way of thinking.
He just has a different sense of humor, which I
find refreshing and great. It's not like your usual story
about a person that age, and it's not like it's
like the humor is there, but the seriousness is there,
(23:42):
the sarcasm, the satire, it's all there, and together it
just makes for a great style. It's a different style,
and I hate.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
To compare anything to anything, but this is another show
that I loved Atlanta. It gives me that Atlanta vibe.
And I only say that because it was such a
good show allome.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's funny though. It gives you that vibe, but it's
nothing like it's nothing like it, but it gives you that.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But it gives you that vibe, yeah, which is not
it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So it's a compliment most definitely. But I don't want
people think that who hasn't seen it's like, oh, it's
like another land. No, it's nothing like it, but it
just gives you that. It's just like real. It's it's
just in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This season is is very different from the last season,
Very different from last year.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Very different storyline, storyline, very different. Yeah, it's not as.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fragmented like I felt like last season. It was a
lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
This is a through storyline. Yeah, yeah, it's very different.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
All right, Well, tune in, but that's about to come
out and we already talked about it, so I cannot
wait to have you.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now you're making me really you have to go back
and make it happen, you.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Know, what Sometimes you got to put it out out there.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You got to hold yourself acount because exactly going to
hold you a Canada.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I appreciate that although I've been working though.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I know you have, and you have these visions, and
I feel like you've already in vision.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I've already when you're this best selling.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's why I know it's time, because I'm a vision.
I'm seeing everything, Okay, my.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Psychic for.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
All right, Vanessa Bell Calloway again, we talked about it,
but you gotta watch Vince Staples season two.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
That starts on Friday. No, it starts tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the November sixth Thursday, that starts tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I guess really after midnight you can really like do
it mid because tomorrow's midnight, right, so you could do
it whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Alright, period, it's on now, it's on that.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's how about that?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
This way up
What's up his way up?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
But Angela, he and definitely a legend. Legends only are
here today and that's about callaway. Thank you for joining
me today, Thank you for having me. Do you and listen.
We just had like, you know, the whole cast of
Unexpected Christmas here, but now you're here, and you're definitely
somebody that I think everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And they were all my friends. So it's good to
see them all.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I told them.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I was like, I know you all know each other,
somebody you have worked together to see them?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, you have worked with several of them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, you know, how is it to know that like
having been had such a legendary moments and even from
like I don't know too many people that we could
look at a body of work that they've done like
decades ago and be like that's still so important to
us today.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, you know, you never know what the job is
going to be when you get it. When you're getting something,
you just want a job most of the times. And
then you like the script, or you like the people,
or you you know, it's for whatever reason it attracts you,
it attracts you. But the bonus is when you do
something thing and then years later it still stands, it
still holds out.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's like Halloween costumes from me, like.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Come to America. I get every year. I get pictures
of girls in their prom dresses. I get bridal look alikes.
Of course, Halloween is huge, and who knew that. Nobody
knew that. I didn't know that that was going to
be one of the most iconic girls in the movie.
So you do something, and when you do it with
the right heart and the spirit because you like it,
and then you want to bring it justice, then the
(01:26):
rest of it takes care of itself.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I want to ask you know the Vince Staples Show,
Season two is coming out, and season one, you have
a really funny episode with macaroni and cheese right right
as Vince's.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Mother on the show. And that's a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's a real thing, baby, because I make a mean
mac and cheese too.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh yeah, you cook.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Don't be bringing your stuff to my house. I got it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Just some MC and teese questions for you now.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But on that particular episode, there was like a little
beef because somebody else bought the mac and teese even
though they knew that was your thing, right and it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Was I'm an outshine her, you know, outshine a Nina Honey.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No, all right, so mac and cheese, bread crimes are
no no break crumbs?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Okay? What about and now I.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Remember we had Corey hart took up here, and I
feel like he said he put cream a mushroom.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No creama mushroom.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay. I was just asking, So what is your macaroni
and teaese?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I make a room. I make a good root with
good butter, lots of cheese, heavy cream, and then you
mix it in and then you lay her cheese on
top of it and you use about five six different cheeses.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
How long have you been cooking? Because I know that's
a thing for you too.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I've been cooking for a long time. You know. I
used to be you know, when I was living here
in New York by myself, I cooked for myself. It
was very healthy. But then when I got married and
had my first daughter, who's now thirty five, so I've
been married thirty seven years, I realized that my husband
needed some food. He didn't want to eat fish and
vegetables all the time, and especially when my first daughter
was born. She was born for very healthy appetite, so
(02:52):
I started doing gourmet cooking glasses. That was my thing.
Like the kids would come home from school, I get
them together that I would run and do gourmet cooking classes.
And I did that for years and I just love cooking.
But my favorite thing is to make tablescapes. People follow
my Instagram to see what tables I'm setting up. That's
one of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And it is holiday season town.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, I have a good time during holiday.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Now. I can see you with like your own line
of like I've.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Been wanting to do that, my own line of a
lot of stuff. Linens. I love linens, I love cutlery,
I love china, I love glasses. I mean you should
see my house. I look like a rental.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Holidays with you is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, I love it because I set a table. You
don't do any plastic plates. I can't stand them. Tenfoil things.
I can't stand that. Don't be bringing no dish over,
no tenfoil, and don't have me. You know you go
to people's houses not as a picnic. I get it.
Don't be giving me no paper plate, no plastic four
and a paper napkin. When you come to my house,
you sit down and you have a proper setting and
a proper meal.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Now you've worked with a lot of veterans, being a
veteran yourself, but with Vince Staples him getting his own show,
it's very I would say, dry humor, deadpan. It's red, yes, psycasm.
You know a lot of deadpan humor. What drew you
to that script in that show? I want to know
how that even happens.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, you know, they approached me and I met with
them and I read you know, and and I like
the script, and my daughters, I'm to be honest, I
didn't know Vince was And my daughters, oh, mom, are
you kidding Vince Staples? And they went on and on
and they said, you know his music? I said I do.
And our kJ LHR station in La I listen, I said, Oh,
I do know his music. I have been hearing his music.
(04:28):
I just didn't know that was him. But when I
met him, I was so it was so endearing. And
he's so serious. But that's what I like about him
because of his young age. He's so focused. He's so serious,
and he understands the importance of having his name on
this show, you know, so he takes up very seriously,
and just to work with him, to watch him navigate everything.
He's very hands on. He writes a lot of the episodes.
(04:50):
He's a producer on Yeah, and he writes a lot
of the episodes, and he's very generous and wants to
make sure you're you're good and everybody's okay. So watching
him work was it's very inspirational to see that, and
I'm very, very proud of him. So all of that
drew me to it because you want to be in
a place where you appreciate it, where your work is
going to be valued, where you can get a chance
to really do some good work, and we're people going
(05:11):
to be kind and it's a great fun set and
that's exactly what we have.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I remember when the first season ended and he was
really petitioning, like to get a second season, and he
was like calling for people to be like, come on.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You got to work for that. No, he had to
really work for that. It worked, and it worked. You see,
That's what I'm saying. He's driven, he's focused.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I was thinking because at the time, I was like,
do we already know there's a second season?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And he's doing the actually there, I think there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
But I've never seen that really happen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, it was. It was bleak. It was bleak because
I seriously I had the work came down to me
that it wouldn't happen, and I was disappointed. The months later,
they called my manager and said that we were doing
the season two and I was like, hall he Lou,
you're praise geez, that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is good and your character is so funny on there
is there any way that you could see yourself relating
to Anita as a they're his mom?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well some ways, of course, because I am a mother too,
but I don't speak to my children that way. Baby
Nita has a peppery mouth, as I saying, and I
don't speak to my children like that. Now. Have I
thought some of those things, Absolutely, I just haven't set them.
But I have two daughters, so that can be challenging
(06:21):
and it has been challenging at times. But unlike Anita
and her daughter, we have worked through our differences so
that on the other side now because they're adults and
we have a very healthy, loving relationship. But you know,
there are any mother and daughter there have a time
where you gotta learn how to give your children boundary space,
and they will give you boundaries and you have to
(06:41):
respect those boundaries, and you have to respect their opinions
on things because they are grown. And then you got
to remember that you raised them, so they should have
they should be equipped with everything that they need. And
luckily for me, my girls are so yeah, I relate
to that, you know, and mothers and black mother one
on one. You know, we kind of spicy. We say
we're gonna say the kids know what one look, we
(07:02):
can shut you down. They know what it is.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Just went to HBCUSS.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes they are and members of my sority Alpha BA Alpha,
so yeah, oh wow, yes, okay, it's a family of
family affair. I know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I saw you do a post about HBCUs and.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I love HBCUs. I wish I would win to one.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But I love the fact that we talk about how
enrollment is down for colleges across the boarder, but they're
upus because you know what, we're gonna have to take
care of our own again. Because when people realize why
they were even created because they didn't want us in
their schools.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's why you have sororities and fraternities, because we didn't
have social clubs. We didn't have all that stuff, and
what with this country now, we're gonna have to all
go back to the old way of taking care of ourselves.
We need to rebuilds Oklahoma type things, you know roads. Well,
we need to rebuild our own communities and bring the
wealth back to our communities because they ain't they ain't
feeling us, they ain't checking for us. And as sooner
(07:55):
you know that, the better off we're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know what has been exciting for me is we're
coming off elections just now and seeing what turnout was like,
Like here in New York City, we've had like the
highest turnout that we.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Had fifty years.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
People voted early at a you know, crazy rate, and
then we've seen a lot of first and I see
a lot of women winning elections across the nation. So
that to me has been something that shows me, like
I call it the Trump effect, because I feel like,
as much as things are really bad for people right now,
it's also forcing people to be like, Okay, you take
(08:28):
ownership and make things better. Yeah, And I'm supposed to
come together and say what are we going to do together?
And I see so many people like helping each other
figuring out ways while you know, snap benefits are shut down,
everybody is like kind of stepping up to the plate,
realizing that we all got to get along.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
We're going to help each other in our own communities.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, you know this role that you're in now, just
you've been doing this for this is like there was
no plan B for you when it comes to acting, dancing,
theater and all of that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I didn't, I mean I didn't. You know, you got
to first all believe yourself, and I really believed in myself,
and it was just so I mean, I used to
have dreams about me and stuff. I never forget one
time when I was doing the original company of dream
Girls and I was in the ensemble. This is in
the eighties, and I had this vivid dream of me
with Darnelle Williams and all my children. Because I wanted
to be on the show so bad, I used to
(09:18):
send the casting director and producer notes and cards and
postcards all the time. I used to send them stuff constantly,
and I had a vivid dream of me and him
together doing the scene. I saw it and it happened.
It came to fruition. Wow. Yeah, so a lot of
things in my career, I scene or I've just I
just knew it was gonna happen, so I just keep going.
(09:38):
So no, there there was no plan. B. I was
gonna I dance. I was a concert dancer here in
New York for a while, and I did Broadway off Broadway,
did lots of commercials. I did a lot of that,
and then when I left to go out to California,
you know, my career just continued to grow. But it
was just never planned. B.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And I always say theater for people who start off
with theater, I feel like that is just such something
that it's so much harder than being on television.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yea, and everybody does everybody does film and TV can't
do theater. And everybody does theater can't do filming TV.
The did three very different entities, and I was just
two years ago. I was just doing Broadway back with
brill cast proly Victorious with Leslie Odom Junior, an amazing cast,
Carry Young, our Beautiful care my Baby to Tony Award winner.
(10:24):
But it was, you know, to go back to Broadway
was so great. I love theater. I had a one
woman show that I did for like over ten years
called letters from Zora's about Yes, I did it in
New Jersey, so you go. You know, I keep my
theater chops going because that is what keeps you just
(10:44):
ready and primed. It's sharp, it's sharp, and you're right.
It's different because unlike cut, if you're doing a movie
or some television, you can flub, you can mess up,
you can start over. Once you open your mouth on
the stage, you gotta keep going. And if you mess up,
you gotta make it right.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And people and you know, I'm sure that when you
do people in the audience don't even know, don't know because.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, you mean, like I've been on stage. We've
been on stage with people. They drop a lot, you drop,
You look at each other and somebody picked us ball up.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
But let's not talk over each other like somebody got
to do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We got to act. But you know, when you're a professional,
you were working with pros. They know how to get
it back on track.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, this business, like we've been saying, is something
that can make people feel like there's ups and downs,
you know with this, but it feels like you've had
a pretty steady and you know, obviously I don't know
what happens behind the scenes for you. But do you
feel like you've always had like a really steady.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like you know, I've had I've had lolls like anybody else.
I've had great winning moments, and I've had slow moments.
I've had victories and I've had losses. That's life. But
you just keep going and you try not to focus
on the things that didn't happen because they didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Right, talk about roles that they wish they would have
taken or that you know, I think there's roles that
you think you would you should.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Have gotten and you didn't. And most of the times
when I've been disappointed because I didn't get it, it's
never because you weren't good. It's other reasons it wasn't
and it wasn't yours. And then I'll see it and
I'll see the person they chose and I'll say, oh,
I get it. I see why they chose this person.
So it's just most times it's not in personal It's
a lot of times it's just relationships. You maybe even
a better actor than a person got the job, but
(12:20):
they're better friends with the person who was given the job.
So that's a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know, that's interesting you say that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I was looking at I did this story today and
they were talking about this show, this series that's out,
and I Kim Kardashian's.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
In it, and they are giving it like terrible reviews.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But I haven't read anything.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's what. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
But honestly, it made me want to look at it
because now I'm like, are they doing it because they
can't stand her? And they, you know, like as an
Actresscause I also feel like sometimes people do get things
like you said, because they're friends or they have some
type of star power that may not be acting, but
people are going to tune in to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And right now, a lot of people get it because
they're influent, so they got high numbers.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
That influencer thing, but people don't.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But people don't realize is that numbers don't put people
in the seats. It does not, and numbers don't make
people turn the TV on all the time. So hey,
it was your it was your project. You can tell
her who you want. I you know, I ain't got
nothing to say about Kim doing it. I don't I'm
sure if I was out of taking a job too,
and nobody is born a brilliant actress. It's something you
have to work at. So maybe this is her time
(13:23):
to work on her acting skills. I don't know, but
you know I ain't mad at nobody because it's hard
to get up in there. So you and everybody has
they want to get to arrive at the same spot.
But they have different roads and ways to get there.
But every lot of people want to end up on
a big screen, of the little screen or the music
on the radio. They just have different roads in which
they accomplished that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
What are And I know you also work behind the scenes, right, yes,
directing and producing. So tell me when what was the
first thing that you directed?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Oh my god, the very first thing, okay you. I
was in dream Girls, yes, and one of our singers,
one of our chorus members, she had Redda Hughes was
her name, and she did a song called angel Man
about the Guardian angels here in La La and the
New York and I directed that for her. That's when
this is like the eighties. That's when you know you
(14:12):
just took a camera out. That was the very first thing,
and I choreographed it as well. It was funny and
then I didn't do anything for a long time. But
you know, when you realize that you I've been because
I've been dancing, I choreographed, I've done all that. I've
been doing it for years, since I was in high school.
You just don't know that you're prepping yourself for that, right,
you know, and then one day you look up You're like, oh,
I know how to do this. It's like when I've
(14:33):
really got in front of behind the camera. It was
an easy transition because I've been in front of the
camera for so long that I knew a lot more
than I thought I knew. And I love directing, and
I like the nuances and being the detail of things,
especially working with the characters, working with the actress. That's
the part I like the best. So yeah, you know,
you you just learned how to do it all because
(14:54):
it's all it's already in there.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Do you love directing and producing?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Though I prefer I mean, I still love acting. I
don't love directing enough to give up my acting, but
I like them both.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's good to be able to fluidly move between.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And to move between. You know, It's it's difficult too,
you know, it's hard to get directing jobs. Last thing
I did was a movie. I directed a movie, Black
Girly Erupted for b ET that was on like what
the year ago, over a year ago. So yeah, it's
I'm not going to give up my acting career and
you better not. No, I'm not done with that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Ye mean, do you guys do on the Vince Staples Show, because.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, you know, it's written very well, so we really
don't have to do a lot. But in a moment
of anything, it's like, if it's working well and there's
some really good, interesting, real vibes going between you and
if we were doing the c and because you are
a natural, organic person, you may have something different to
add than what's on the page and you add it
because it works, it flows, and they're not going to
(15:50):
say cut you added word, you know, but now you
can't rewrite the person's whole thing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But we do it scenes like when you guys are
in you know in the new season h getting a
rental car.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, I mean there's some things we lived and something,
but it was written well, so we really didn't have
to do a lot. And if you get to keep
the rhythm going, you don't really have time for a
lot of ad libs because you need to. You don't
want to stretch out the time, you know what I mean?
What was your own mother like? Oh, my mother was
she was feisty. Yeah she was, she is. She's still alive.
She's ninety now.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But oh wow, that's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, she's ninety. But she don't take no, didn't take Beverly,
didn't take no mess. No, honey, I never get. One time,
my sister, who's four years older than me, did something
and my mother jumped up and bob clocked her and
I said, ooh, I won't be messing.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
With Beverly and my business.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And yeah, I didn't mess with Beverley when I was young.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
No, she is good.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, sometimes I think parents are with your daughters.
And I'm going to ask you this about your mom too.
But sometimes acting can feel like this Hollywood. It can
be a little bit of an intimidating place, and you
can be concerned about like, you know, for you as
a young girl in this business, was that ever a concern.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
No, my mother was very supportive. She used to drive
me to those dance classes because that's when I discovered
dance and I was at the Caramel House because we
didn't have any money, so she got me a scholarship there,
and she was very diligent. She made sure I got
to all my dance classes and then when I started
doing plays, so she wasn't concerned. She was happy for me.
She used to fly to New York all the time
from Cleveland. When I started going on Broadway and started
(17:23):
doing more things here, and she ended up moving here
for a while.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And yeah, so she was super hands on. She super
hands on.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I think that's how you have to be when you
have young kids in this kas too. You can't just like, well,
you know, you gotta want, you know. The best thing
to me is to want for your kids what they
want for themselves. I mean doctor's lawyers, like, of course,
you're like your child to go in your footsteps, I guess.
But if that's not their heart's desire, then let them
find them, you know, because sometimes it doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Just because it worked for you doesn't mean they want
to do the same. What about your daughters, My daughters,
I'm so proud of my daughter's. My youngest daughter works
at Lionsgate. She's in a television department. She's married for
almost two years now. My oldest daughter is a literary
and talent manager Easter Ray's Color Creative and she was
one of the producers on one of them days. And
(18:10):
she's she's in business school at UCLA Interest In School
of Business.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And they run with the kids. They run our family
businesses and they're doing their own thing. They like behind,
they like the industry, but they want to be on
the other side. Right, I'm happy with that. They've seen
me suffer enough. You feel like I've suffered. Yes, I mean,
like I said, I've had great moments, but I've had
a lot of you know, moments that could have been better.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Sure, right when you see like everybody you know talking
about I feel like it's just a time that where
I feel like people are able to open up more
about what their experiences have been like.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And I've seen that a lot more.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think you do yourself a disservice if you don't
be honest with yourself. First look at that mirror and
it is what it is, and be okay with it.
That doesn't define who I am or even who I
was at that moment, but it's all a part of
who I am now right. It makes you even better
and stronger, so you know you got to it is
what it is. Have you done a book? I currently
(19:10):
am working on stuff said that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Now because I just feel like I would love to
see what that's, what that's going to be like, because
I feel like there's.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So many and everything's ready. I'll call you and you
can have me back on how about that?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Listen, I need to get like an advanced copy beforehand,
so I care we'll have all that ready.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What made you decide that now is the time?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Because I always think it's interesting when we decide, okay,
it's time to tell my story.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Actually, it's something I've been working on for years and
it wasn't right, and I stopped, and I had I
even went through editing, and something was still missing for me.
And I'm not going to tell the premise of the book,
but I'll say this, it wasn't until I figured out
what I really wanted to say and what my point
of view was and who I was writing it for.
And if they are the only people that read it,
(19:54):
then I've accomplished my goal. Hopefully other people will be
interested because of what's in it. But it just I've
been working on this book for it's almost embarrassing to say,
like fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't think that's embarrassing. I feel like I've heard
people say they've written their books too early.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, and it wasn't ready because I also, I wasn't
doing it for me. I was doing it because people
said you should write a book, you should write a book.
So I sat down and I started doing it. But
then as I read it, it was good, but it's like,
but what am I really trying to say? What does
it really want? Then I went through an editing phase
and it was like then I stopped, and then I
started listening to every audio book I could, you know,
(20:34):
to see what I was missing other people had. But
it wasn't until earlier this year that it hit me.
And now I ferociously I'm trying to get everything back
and we're finishing it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Oh that's great, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I do think timing is everything, yes, and the conversations
that you can have, like you know, with your.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I can't believe I just toold you that because I
said I'm going to tell anybody anything, and I never
I've not been talking about this. You made me tell
my secret.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Now that's good though, because do you know how many
people did you do it?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You did a deal.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh, you have a literary agent in the family.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
So I ain't going through her.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Did you talk to them about it? Because I know, No,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I can't. I can't share with them, okay, because they're
involved too much.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Right now, I was gonna say, I know, they don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
They don't even know. They just come into the house
because they drop their dogs off like it's doggy daycare.
So in the morning when they both on the way
to work, they drop the dogs off. They just know
I'm up early in the morning working in my room,
so they don't they have no idea what I'm doing.
So I hope they don't hear this interview.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well I hope they do, because I hope everyone hears
it but them about that. What are some things that
you feel like you still need to do, because I know,
like cooking is big for you. I know, like you said,
producing a directing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I feel like I need to direct more, you know,
I want to direct more. There's a lot of things
that that I just want to some stories that you
want stories I want to tell or help tell. Of course,
I just love any great acting brot. I want to
go back on broad I knew it. Okay, that's what
I want to go. But it's got to be something
more substantial. Because what I was here doing prole he
was great. But I gotta leave my house. I was
(22:07):
here for like over six months, living in somebody else's apartment, right,
you know, missing my family horribly because we're very close.
Although they would come and visit me, I was away
from everything I knew my dog, miss Ziggy terribly, you know.
So it's got to be something substantial that is worth
me leaving for. But I would do it at a heartbeat.
Anybody out there there's got a new broaways sure that's
(22:28):
looking for somebody like me. Oh gosh, I would do it. Yeah,
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Well, I appreciate you for coming up here and just
sharing all this with me because I know you.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Got a busy pack schedule. But tell everybody watch Finnce Stables.
I'm gonna say this season two, but this is what
you gotta do. People, you gotta binge it. If you
haven't seen season two, please watch season one, turn it
on and let it go. I don't care if you
fall asleep and you get to go to the bathroom,
go to the grocery store. Just let it run it
all the way through.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You know, I had to go back and watch season
one because I feel like it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, we'll go back up. Watched season and then double
thumbs it at the end. Okay, Yeah, if you got
a double thumbs it and then watch season two after
you watch season one and the same thing, do not
turn it off and then go back if you need
to go back and see stuff and double thumbs it.
That helps Netflix decide if they want to give us
a season three, which I think we deserve because this
season is funny. I think people are gonna love it.
(23:21):
Vince is brilliant. He really He's very brilliant and his
writing and his whole concept, this whole way of thinking.
He just has a different sense of humor, which I
find refreshing and great. It's not like your usual story
about a person that age, and it's not like it's
like the humor is there, but the seriousness is there,
(23:42):
the sarcasm, the satire, it's all there, and together it
just makes for a great style. It's a different style,
and I hate.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
To compare anything to anything, but this is another show
that I loved Atlanta. It gives me that Atlanta vibe.
And I only say that because it was such a
good show allome.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It's funny though. It gives you that vibe, but it's
nothing like it's nothing like it, but it gives you that.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
But it gives you that vibe, yeah, which is not
it's a compliment.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So it's a compliment most definitely. But I don't want
people think that who hasn't seen it's like, oh, it's
like another land. No, it's nothing like it, but it
just gives you that. It's just like real. It's it's
just in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This season is is very different from the last season,
Very different from last year.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Very different storyline, storyline, very different. Yeah, it's not as.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Fragmented like I felt like last season. It was a
lot of different things.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
This is a through storyline. Yeah, yeah, it's very different.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
All right, Well, tune in, but that's about to come
out and we already talked about it, so I cannot
wait to have you.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Now you're making me really you have to go back
and make it happen, you.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Know, what Sometimes you got to put it out out there.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You got to hold yourself acount because exactly going to
hold you a Canada.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I appreciate that although I've been working though.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I know you have, and you have these visions, and
I feel like you've already in vision.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I've already when you're this best selling.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's why I know it's time, because I'm a vision.
I'm seeing everything, Okay, my.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Psychic for.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
All right, Vanessa Bell Calloway again, we talked about it,
but you gotta watch Vince Staples season two.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
That starts on Friday. No, it starts tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the November sixth Thursday, that starts tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I guess really after midnight you can really like do
it mid because tomorrow's midnight, right, so you could do
it whatever.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Alright, period, it's on now, it's on that.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It's how about that?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
This way up
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