Matrimony on Acrimony

This week on We Talk Back, AJ Holiday and TamBam kick things off with a recap of AJ’s birthday festivities and weekend highlights. During their S.I.N.S. of the week, they cover everything from Keith Sweat’s comments on modern women to Coco Gauff’s big win, and Kevin Hunter’s tell-all about his relationship with Wendy Williams. TamBam also makes it known—don’t come for Tyler Perry in her presence. That leads into this week’s movie review: Acrimony. The ladies dive into themes of sacrifice, mental health, loyalty, and the emotional toll relationships take on Black women. Through it all, they challenge the expectations placed on women and explore what it really means to love, lose, and let go. Let’s discuss. Tap in and join the conversation.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hoping to we talk back, where we encourage you to
hustle hard, laugh louder, and always keep it cute. So
grab your.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Coffee, cocktail and crown.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Because it's about a gold damn.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Talk talk talk. We're just two unapologetically black women with
an opinion.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Who talks back. What's up, y'all? It's your girl, aj Holiday,
what's up, tam Damn Hey, y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I love y'all so so, so so very much. Girl
on teeth is extra white girl. I put some white
strips on yesterday. I was smiling and it was like
a twinge of yellow.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Look at mine right now because I was using turmeric toothpaste,
and I'm like, what the fuck? And I do do
teeth white names. I'm like, why the fuck? My shit
look kind of beingey, especially because I don't got no
ring light or nothing like that right now. But yeah,
I'm like, bitch, you putting turmeric on your damn teeth?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Bitch Oh yellow first of all, turk on yellow, anything
it touched.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, but I didn't think it was until I saw
how my toothbrush bristles kind of got kind of y'all.
I'm like, it has to be doing the same thing
to my goddamn.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Teeth, right, crazy ass. Yeah, but I'm thinking yesterday shout
out to Chris, that was your weekend. We need some ads, period.
My weekend was a bunch of havoc, y'all. It was
my birthday weekend. My birthday was on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yea hey birthday, yea yeah, birthday to you.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Happy birthday, easy, hey Jay, Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It was literally a j's holiday, Okay. On Sunday, she.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Ain't respond to a single message or car what was good?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Get it?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
From the time I woke up, remember I told you
I was doing a photo shoot, so I wish y'all
motherfuckers would have waited for my little pictures. And I
really was trying. That's why I wanted to do it
on Saturday. But my little props and shit didn't come
in and times had to reschedule for Sunday. So from
the time I woke up to the time this nigga

(02:22):
got here to do my photos, I was getting ready
the whole time, and you called me and I was
literally shooting at the time, and then straight from there
we had dinner at seven o'clock, so that was it.
That's my whole day. And then I was so exhausted.
I'm in the cars sleeping on the way back to
the house. I took a shower and I got in

(02:44):
the bed. I did look at a few messages. I
thank you all for all the happy birthday wishes, and
I still hadn't responded to a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Jiyack page, because I don't think you even went on that.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
One on the story.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
No on the page. No, you gotta go check because
it's a lot of people wish you would have.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm sorry, y'all, girl, I catch up on life yet. Okay,
my damn house a mess from just making this the
studio for a damn day. It's just a mess, man.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
The pictures are absolutely stunny.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, I got some other ones to post. I just
gotta get my edits back and stuff. So yeah, it was.
I had a good time. Took me forever, girl. I
do not know how to pose, y'all. I'm about to
just start practicing poles and ship.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's what I need to do too, because every time
I think I'm eating and then I look at the
picture and I look.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I'm like, well, my body looked like that. What the
fuck is happening right now? Like why am I? Am
I really standing like that? In my mind?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Like I'm really like posing like that. You look as
stupid the whole time. But you know what, me and
you are both so hard on ourselves when it comes
to photos.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, them pictures are looking dumb. Okay. And also because
this isn't a studio, my backdrop didn't come, so I
the pictures had to be like more close up kind of.
Also I didn't have enough wall space basically like with
the backdrop to do what I wanted to do, So yeah,
I just had to make do Yeah, So it worked

(04:19):
out a little tiny bit.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where'd you go to dinner?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Ah? Damn? What's the name of this? It's called Kings
on Dange's Island. I don't know if you've ever been
to Dang's Island in Charleston. But it's like a little
riverfront restaurant. No, it is not good. It was No,
it's called King something and I don't want to really like,
but we ended up with a super discount on dinner.
That's how bad our dinner was. It took a long

(04:43):
time to come out, and then when it came it's
like I don't ever add season into my food after
it's cooked. May I cook it or like a restaurant,
I just deal with it. But when I tell you
I had to ask for salt, like you cannot cook pasta.
I had a lobster pasta. You cannot not seasoned pasta,
and it was like spinish spinish noodles. You gotta season

(05:05):
that ship tastes like nothing. Nothing I was. I don't
know the best part was my dessert.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well, I would like for you to go to visit
this place. It's close by you. It's called, oh your
Tunji village.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
You mean a Hellnhead area. Yeah, I've been there. African village. Yeah,
I've been there twice.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I want to go.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I don't know what it looks like nowadays. We
went like I went one time, but like a field
trip because it is an actual African village. But people
don't really live in there. You know what I'm saying.
It's more so tourist attraction nowadays. Oh really, yeah, now
you can. It's some places around there where you could
go get you some work done if you need it.

(05:51):
You know what I'm saying. You're looking for somebody to
do some shit. To somebody. Yeah that was nobody.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I want somebody to do something to me, help me
this weak.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, but yeah, I've been there.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That's how I look. Documentary on it over the weekend
and I was like, oh wow, this is like really
really dope, y'all. If y'all get a chance, check out
a documentary on the Oh your tonguey village in South Carolina,
the only African village existing in South Carolina. That's dope.
So that's what I did this weekend. I watched documentaries

(06:29):
after documentaries. Oh, and I got my hair locked and
it took.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
A long, long long. The hair is fleaky, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
It looks you know. It's just when I get my
hair like this, I turn into somebody else. I don't know.
The energy just shift.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Not you a hole, teph you black women in their hair.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Very earthly.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I've been hugging and talking to the trees like it's
just very it's given, very earthy. Girl. I almost went
out with no deodorant one day, but I ain't that.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Your spirituality is not an aesthetic that's given right now.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
It's how I feel on the inside that's just coming out. Yeah,
because you have locks, no I got the locks because
of how I was feeling on the inside. It's all.
What's what you see on the outside is a representation
of how I've been feeling on this da.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Y'all, Dan, how she started a conversation after right and
my tripping.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm telling y'all, I'll tell y'all how I feel.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It sounds like she adjusted to the hair, not.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
The hair hair, the hair adjusted to me. And this
clarity and feelings I've been having because of this seventy
five heart. Yeah, my I'm elevated period, way up.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Let's put it. What was your weekend? Like, that's it?
You just got your hair done?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I watched documentaries and got my hair done.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Oh, you know, that's a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
And then I did my workouts. You know that's it.
I'm on y'all today. Well, by the time you hear this,
I'll be on day sixty seven.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
So what's gonna happen at seventy five? You're gonna keep
going eighty.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
No, you're gonna drink some liquor. Drinking some liquor, Like, oh,
day seventy six, I'm gonna have me a cocktail and
a bacon cheeseburger.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
You already know.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I already know I'm gonna have you espress on martini
and a bacon cheeseburger that day. But I'm definitely gonna
continue to work out. Instead of seven days a week,
I'm gonna cut back to like five days a week,
and instead of two workouts a day, I'm just gonna
do one, you know, because I need my life back.
This really take a large portion of your life from you,
like so yeah, and it's not sustainable. It's not something

(08:41):
you could do forever. Seven days a week, two workouts
a day is just you know, saying.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Some people be doing it. I guess that's all they
got to do. Though. Those niggas who you see in
the damn gym every day every day, I can all day.
Some days like I've been, I've cried in there, I've
drug getting there. I remember one day, I was like
laying on the bike, and I know that bike filthy.
I was laying on that bitch like you.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I was laying on that bitch just moving my feet,
just moving it a little bit too. And the forty
five minutes, I think I barely made it four miles.
That's not like for to go for five minutes. I
can't usually do like eleven or twelve miles. I barely
like right, yeah, I barely made it four miles. So
it was just days where I was just pushing through

(09:30):
the best I could.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I to check with my complex and see where the
fuck my bike went at because I was out of
town and they like moved things I had, like under
the stairwell.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh it's cracking with your bike right now.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Girl, where is my fucking bike? I know it had
looked dusty from falling and all that because it just
wasn't time to ride bike yet. Yep, but I want
my bike.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yep, before somebody take the shit.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
They better than not had throw my bike out. I
never saw it by the trash can by the dumbstairs.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's because somebody took it home.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Listen. I've been avoided asking them about it because I
don't feel like cussing people out, because I just know
in my spirit that I'm a custom people out in
that office. I already feel like that.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Let me tell y'all something. You know how I'm speaking
of cussing people out. I always say like I'm better now,
I'm healed, But I realized I ain't as healed as
I think because I just cussed somebody smooth fuck out.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
The other day, it's necessary. Sometimes that doesn't mean you're
not healed, but you got to work on the thing
that triggered you to then cuss them out. But sometimes
that shit is fucking necessary.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's what I'm talking about. It was the thing the
reason I cussed them out because they wouldn't go see
a doctor. Oh yeah, and I cussed them smoother fuck out.
I'm talking about bad. I called them an MF, a
stupid mfort and hung up in their face.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
What's the prognosis, Like, what's happening with them?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
They got like one day they tilted to the side
where they the way they walking right now, it looked
like the hunchback of Notre Dame, right, so they back
is fucked up. And then they also having like bad
hemorrhoid issue and not going to the doctor is insane
to me, and I just I cussed them out.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, that's slumped over it. I don't know. I'm not
going to say what it's given, but.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, but when you get see it, it's just black men, y'all. Like,
I don't know what it is with black men and
not wanting to go to the doctor. But it's just
really because they made an appointment and they was like,
well I felt a little better, so I canceled it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Mm hmmm what. Yeah, I don't know why they neglect
their health. And then they're like, what's the benefits of
heaven and wife?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Man?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
We be keeping y'all niggas alive? Y'all? Are y'all kind
of slow? Because why the fuck was you just sitting
there and suffering and not go see about.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It and just medicating? That is not how you heal
your body. Yeah, you're just masking the problem.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I remember one of my classmates she passed away, you know,
as an adult now, but she was having some type
of stomach issues and like, I don't know why been
in Charleston like Goodie headache powders is like, I don't know,
everybody takes a Goodie headache powder and some ginger ale
for her stomach. When she passed, her stomach was full
of Goodie headache powder acid essentially, that's all she was

(12:24):
masking it, just having pain and just taking the medicine
girl over the counter.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Shit, that's crazy because this is a man that I know.
He died for a brain aneurysm, and he was in
his car when like he died in the car driving.
When they found him, his car was covered with goodie
powder empty packets because his brain was hurting. Your head

(12:51):
was hurting so bad, and he was just taking goodie
powders to mask the pain instead of going to your
body was telling you it's something wrong. And instead of
going to the doctor, you just taking drugs. Y'all, y'all,
please everybody listening. If you are experiencing some type of
pain or some type of ailment and you're just taking

(13:11):
pain pills, go to the doctor. Your body is trying
to tell you that there's something wrong.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
And you know, like in the movies, how to turn
you around. Because you don't have health care. If you
go to the emergency room, they're just going to give
you a dumb ass bill, but they will see you.
They got to see you. And on top of that,
Obamacare still exists, right, so you still get Medicaid. Just
people aren't applying. I've never not I think maybe I've
been out without without insurance one time in life. So yeah,

(13:38):
you're gonna have like a deductible and she like that
for labs and things like that listen that let that
shit stack up and just be debt as opposed to
your eyes dying. You'll figure it out. What everything the
fuck else? Go to the doctor. What is happening to
the doctor?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I know? And then last thing, I had a friend
who ended up dying from a heart issue and he
used to be beating on his chest all the time
and I and I'd be like, you need to go
to a doctor. What you be doing that. He's like, man,
I'm waiting for this insurance to kick in. You worried
about money and end up dying from that heart issue

(14:14):
instead of seeing the doctor nuts So so I customer out.
But it was my thing is there's a better way
to say how I feel. I gotta work on that.
Instead of calling him a stupid motherfucker, I could have
been like, you know, I want you to be here
a long time and I care about you and that
I don't want you to die or so. I don't

(14:36):
know what I could have said, but something better than
you know what, you're a stupid ass motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
But had you but had you already said something to
him before about it?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yes? I have.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Okay, So that's where it came from. Yeah, that's that's
exactly where it came from.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Okay, well let's get in the sin as, y'all, because.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
We already did sentence, did we We have a talking
about some bullshit for too long? All right, y'all shd
damn y'all niggas talk too much?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right, we talked too much. That's what we need.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
The name show.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Keep Sweat drags modern single lady. So Keep Sweat had
to show y'all over the weekend or I think it
might have been late last week. And he addressed the
crowd and said that he was single, and he know
how to wash his own clothes and he can cook
his own food because these women now, they don't want
to do nothing. They don't want to bring to the table.
They don't want to iron his clothes, they don't want

(15:39):
to cook him no meal. And he said he's done
with too many entitlement things. You got to bring something
to the table to get something from me. They don't
want to cook no more. I washed my own clothes,
iron my own clothes. Gotta do something for me.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Have you ever known any woman to be associated with
Keith Sweat like? Has he just been a batch his
entire life?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I can't think of nobody me either. Okay, so his
persona maybe he was, like, you know, he is the
lover boy, so heaven right would probably mess with his
you know, identity as that lover boy.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Okay, lover boys and now here you are? How old
is Keith Sweat? Let's school? How old is Keith?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
While you google that, let me tell you I remember
the only thing I was Steve three.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
My daddy when I was little, I always used to
remember my daddy saying, I hate this begging ass motherfucker,
like everybody used to say that, all the parents. That's
what I remember about Keith Sweating. As a kid. My
daddy would always talk about the big always begging, wow, listen,

(16:52):
which is to do anything he's sticking y'all.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
First of all, women who are sixty three are not
modern women. Women who are sixty three cook clean and
do all the fucking things. So who is his target market?
Who is he actually dating that isn't doing anything for him?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Us?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Exactly? He's dating young and even us our age group. Okay,
I would I would beg to differ, okay, that he's
dating women even younger than us.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
At sixty three years old because he think he looks
young because he dies his hair. You are old, fart.
I need you to chill out and get a woman
at least fifty, at least fifty. But they don't want
fifty year old women. They still want to chase and
do the like Shannon Sharp when he was talking to
who is he talking to? And they would They basically said, damn,

(17:46):
you'd be Uh you date the same age girls I date.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
What do you think you're gonna get? Those are fun
girls you're not even dating because they're even in those
age ranges. There are mature women right who got the
shit together, who do all the things in a relationship.
Those aren't the women you're going for. You are going
for the women that you got to take care of, okay,
And they just come and they look pretty all right.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
They come here to cook you no food, Yes the
fuck what you thought? Make reservations?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yes, what you said last week? Make it mean uber
or dash? Yeah, that's about it. What are you really
looking for? These men have to really be honest with themselves.
Just say I'm full of shit and this is what
I like. I mean because I'm a woman whose father
is seventy five and his wife is the same age

(18:42):
as she's in between my two sisters, Sam's forty six,
forty five, and I think my oldest sister's forty nine.
So my step mom quote unquote is your peer. She's
my peer, and she's in between the two of them. Yeah,
and she she cooked, so does my dad, like they
do all the things. So you can find a woman, right,

(19:03):
a little younger than you, who's who does the things.
That's not what he's looking for. That's not, obviously not
who he's dating to sit up on stage in front
of all these women and talk about what modern women
aren't doing. Right, modern women be cooking. I don't these
niggas be lying on the.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Woman be cooking?

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Who they have been lying on us since Adam and Eve.
These niggas is walking around with the apple and they
fucking neck and saying that we ate the apple they
literally got.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I need y'all to look when y'all stop, when this
is over, I want y'all to look around at all
the men. They ain't got no more Adam's apple. I
don't see them no more. They gone.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I see them on some men, some men and something
I mean, maybe we might be a little bit chunkier nowadays.
Also the neck kind of fat. But I do see
men with Adam's apples. You see that, Look.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
At it, Look at that cloud though they look like
jay Z And then I'll be looking at I have no.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's gone evolution, y'all are like for some reason, Uh,
something's happening. And the men want to be caddled like
children and they want to be treated like bad bitches.
That's what's happening, and that's why the Adams. Yes, they
turn it into women. We might fuck around and start

(20:24):
getting Adams apples, right, but yeah, quite lying on us.
Stop lying on us. Women's ally, dudes lie like a rug.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So now this kind of pissed me off, this one
right here. Cocoa Golf won the French Open over the weekend,
and she manifested that ship because she even had a
piece of paper write that I will win the French
Open five yeah, right down. Yeah. And this girl who

(20:57):
she played against, I can't pronounce her name. I'm a
mess it up, Arna Arnia erna sublinka. She gonna say
that Coco didn't play a good game. She just played
a bad game. Basically, Cocoa ain't good and she just
she's better than Coco. She just played a bad game.

(21:18):
My girl takes the l And first of all, Coco
has beat you before. Did you play a bad game then, too, bitch? Like?
Are you always playing bad games against Coco? Girl?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So you know this is where bad thing where you know,
children are now being caddled more thinking everybody can be
a winner. And this is what happens when they grow up, right,
and they're unable to accept when they fucking lost because
everybody cannot win every time. You're not gonna always win.

(21:50):
And if you don't show gratitude for the winners, you'll
never be a winner again.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right. Let me tell you then, participation trophies was the
worst thing that happened to these kids. Once they started
getting everybody in a ribbon that field day, it's over
for us to get a ribbon. You don't deserve one
if you did not win.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, if you didn't win the super Bowl, you can't
go to the White House. Not everybody go to the
white House. You know what I'm saying, Both like ship
like that. That is not how it's supposed to be.
There are winners and then there are losers. You're not
gonna always be be a winner, and you won't always
be a loser.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And then think about taking the l gracefully. It makes you,
it keeps you humble, and it makes the win you
do win, it makes it that much better. Like you
gotta take your l's gracefully. You gotta be prideful and
congratulate the winner always. So so Blinko or whatever your

(22:48):
name is, girl, that was what you said. I know
you was upset. I imagine you made it all the
way to the top just to get beat by this beautiful, black,
bad black dude. You mad.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I get it, but I don't get him.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I get why she was mad. She lost. Nobody likes losing,
but you could have handled that much better, woy. A
joyful loser is very rare, but you don't have to
be a bitch about it.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So, Wendy Williams ex Kevin Hunter. He is planning to
do a tell all interview. I wonder what this may
consist of. Kevin Hunter is reportedly preparing for a one
on one interview with Gail King to speak his truth.
I cannot stand that thing that's saying that's my truth.
This might I can't stand it because your truth oftentimes

(23:37):
could be a very very much so a lie, So
it says. Interview with King is expected to touch on
deeply personal and public chapters of his life. Those specific
details have not been released. Who has just started pouring
down ring? Can you hear that? Hunter has been in
the spotlight due to his legal battle with debmar Mercury.

(24:02):
The producers of the Wenny Williams show okay following the
divorce of Wendy Williams in twenty nineteen. So y'all know,
Wendy Williams is making her a little comeback. She gets
she getting her freedom back, literally, right, And I wouldn't
doubt that he was probably a part of the reason
why she ended up ended up in this predicament anyway,
you know, just the heartache, the betrayal. That shit can

(24:23):
lead you down a very dark road, y'all. God never
let the devil sit back next to him, because betrayal
is the ultimate sin. Okay, So you can't come back
around me once you have betrayed me. Right, So he's
married to his side bitch now who he had living
down the street from them. They have a baby together.

(24:43):
You don't really even who are you without Wendy Williams right,
And this is why he's just still harping on this,
like I just don't between this shit right here, and
then like the shit that's going on with remym and
Pappoof's like where is the love? Where is is the love?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
There's a thin line where about that? That ship is
so fucking thin it's scary.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, Like you mean to tell me we we are
no longer and now we're just gonna go on this
disparaging rampage against each other. That shit is everybody, see,
I like wreak up.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I pray over myself that that, you know, if I
ever First of all, I pray that when I actually
meet my husband we stay together forever. And if we don't,
that is never like that just amicable.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
We don't got you know what I'm saying. We enjoyed
each other, We appreciate each other, the time we spend
and move on.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So it says, go ahead, well and then I'll, you know,
and I will be a pleasant widow because that's the
only way you're going anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I'd be listen, y'all think I'd be playing. But I
don't even like losing friends. And shit like that because
I'd be not and shared all my intimate details about
my life with the motherfucker. Now we're not friends no more.
I be waiting on some ship like this, if shit,
you're real popping or it's like this is the type
of shit like I got him for h money for

(26:09):
So since leaving the show, Hunter has faced financial challenges.
So this is this is when the bullshit start happening, right,
So now you need some money, including selling his Florida
home and dealing with legal action over alleged credit card debt.
The interview with Gail King could shed new light on
both Kevin Hunters and Wendy Williams lives following their divorce
in twenty twenty after over two decades of marriage, which

(26:32):
ended due to Hunter's infidelity and birth of a child
with another woman. So you destroyed our marriage. Now they
always had like a little they should always was kind
of iffy, But you destroyed our shit. You start a
whole new family, and that's not enough for you. You
gotta destroy me too, right, He's the worst type of person,

(26:57):
like the beef he had with Charlemagne. Like this nigga,
this this, this, this nigga is like he's just not
a good person. He's not a good person, like unless
day he'd be trying to destroy Charlamagne.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm sure he's gonna get paid for this particular interview,
and he need the money. But I can't wait to
hear what the story is, what he gonna say.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
He ain't got nothing to say. Just take your fucking
l and go. What's wrong with people not being able
to take their l's? Just go? You got what you wanted, right,
No he wants more apparently, yeah, because he ain't got
no money to take care of that girl no more.
She probably ain't working nowhere. You just over here struggling
with the old nigga. Now, I'll be damn.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right, all right, this is the last thing I
want to do. So I keep seeing people talk shit
about Tyler Perry, and I know, stay for that, because
one Tyler Perry employees black people and it almost seems
like nothing but us. And when he pays, he pays
people what they're worth, and he tells our stories, people

(28:10):
are like, oh he he capitalizes on black trauma, Like
these stories ain't really happening, Like he ain't making this
shut up. Black women go through a lot of shit,
But tell me a story where he didn't have the
black woman come out on top for the most part.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, but it's yeah, they be coming out on top
sometimes and then sometimes it's still kind of disparaging sometimes, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
But is that not real life? Is that not real life? Though?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I guess I think the problem is because I just
had this conversation with a friend yesterday, and I'm like,
why white people don't feel like that, like somebody's exploiting
them about their movies because it's coming from one person
though that the type of the genre is coming from
one one studio, one production, right Whereas.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, because he's the only studio doing black stories a lot.
And I guess that that's where we need.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
We need variety, right, we need to make sure we're
showing all aspects, but black lives.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Because what's her name, marl Bora could kill She makes
movies and shows and she just did Forever that was
a beautiful story about blackness that it wasn't It wasn't
anybody in there depicted in a way that was disparaging. Yeah, So,
and it's more true stories. Maybe Tyler Perry makes stories
about black female trauma, because that's what he knows.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, I guess you know.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So I don't like when they talk about him. And
then here's another thing that he did. He always poured
back into our community. He always keeps us employed. He
gave Simbad. Tim Bad was in a movie Simbad had
a massive stroke five years ago. When nobody's checking for
Simbad or trying to help Simbad. But and his role
in the movie was very small, but he was like, look,
I got to check for you, Simbad because I love you.

(29:56):
I've seen what you've done for our community. You brought
a lot of way. I'm gonna make sure some money
in your pocket. Who else doing that? Y'all? Please don't
play with me by Tyler Perry. Okay, who else doing that? Nobody?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Don't don't play with time by Tyler Perry. Chill, I
ain't playing with you by Tyler Perry. Got it?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay? Thank you? Because I love him? You got it?

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Girls, when we talk about the day, because I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Acrimony, perfect segue. Bitch, were getting into the movie Acrimony,
another movie about a black woman.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Not just scoring a dumb bitch. We'll get into it
after this commercial. I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
All right, y'all. So people were in the ds d
M saying they really loved our movie breakdown episodes, and
I love them too, because you know, I love me
a movie and I'm you don't want to be in
him Tyler Perry. So I wanted to break down acrimony
because that just really aligns with what we'd be talking

(31:07):
about on this show when it comes to relationships and
how shit be going sometimes. So I want to talk
about the alright. So if you haven't seen it, go
watch it and then come back to this episode, because.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Y'all seen them wigs in acrimony. Y'all had to have
seen acrimony. It's been a couple of years now. I
thought there was going to be an acrimony too.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I was hoping that would be acrimony to where she
didn't get she didn't die. First of all, this is
such a sad story because do you feel like either
character was wrong? All right, let's talk about the plot.
Acrimony is about a loyal wife, Melinda, who becomes increasingly

(31:47):
unhinged after feeling betrayed by her husband Robert, following years
of personal and financial sacrifice to support his dreams. All right,
So Milenda me's Robert in college after a word or
when romance. She supports him financially, even using her inheritance,
while he works on his inventuring the battery. They struggle

(32:07):
financially for years, and Melinda eventually divorces Robert. After divorce,
Robert's invention finally pays off, and he becomes a wealthy
man that marries another woman, a woman that he had
cheated on her with when they were younger. Melinda spirals
into rage and obsession, believing she was old. More than

(32:28):
just money, she wanted the life she helped build. The
story ends in tragedy, with Melinda's mental state completely unraveling. Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
In the beginning of Acrimony, we saw how crazy Melinda was. Yeah,
she was always a little rammed his trailer off of
a cliff, did he not not because he was in
there with a woman another woman? Right, So we knew

(33:06):
she was capable of being crazy, and she.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Hurt herself to so much to the point where she
could never conceive by doing that.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, Okay, that's on you. You know, that's on you, even.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
If you take accountability for that.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Nope, Okay, so I would say, Melinda has mental health
issues always hey, or you just know you ain't supposed
to play with her, sir.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Her and his man was married for a very long time.
And I think this kind of it kind of like
it definitely depicts how women put their partners before them, right.
So it is like, it is hurtful when I see
men say what is the benefit of marriage and stuff
like that, because it is a big sacrifice for women.

(33:57):
We sacrifice our bodies, the children. I have seen this
post the other day. This girl was like, this is
a video of a woman saying she lost all of
her teeth okay, during pregnancy due to vitamin deficiency, and
men out here saying why do I need to get married?

(34:18):
Why do I need to Why do I need to uh,
why need to go fifty fifty? Or even why do
I have to finance this woman's entire life? We we
literally sacrifice our lives for everybody else. I'm leaning to
wars not wanting to do that. Okay, nowadays it's crazy,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's why I got

(34:40):
to draw the line at my goddamn teeth.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right, I love my teeth, But think about it, I've like,
especially we're doing here. I've seen women lose all their
hair after having a baby. I've seen them have like
complete back lee actly covering their whole back and ship
like just all kind of stuff that happens to your

(35:04):
body even after after the baby that left it out
of the body and it's still being affected.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
So, yeah, you're not the same person. You literally you
were single and now you're a mom and your wife.
I'm not the same person.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And my edge is gone, and my teeth man ship,
and my back looked like brow.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
You don't even notice like who you are anymore. And
you got a baby hanging off your titties like.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
A stranger hanging off your body because they're not your
y'all just met and.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
You got you have a group of people in this
world who think that being a female, being a woman,
being a human adult female is just an aesthetic.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I was watching Jason Lee Hollywood Unlocked with Yeah it's
crazy here Hollywood on Locked with can his Owens on there,
and she was like, well, why can't Rachel Dozel say
that she's black if women can, if men can say
that they're women, a woman like he was like, no,

(36:11):
that's not the same thing. It is exactly the same thing, Right,
I can be something because I feel like that's what
I am. And then Jason he made a statement. I
was so disgusted. He was like, I mean, I know
some of the trans girl who even do it better
than better than actual women? Do what better than actual women?
Just look like a woman? That is what you think

(36:33):
being a woman is. Y'all can never deal with half
of this shit women deal with on a daily basis,
Like we'd be walking around hemorrhaging and acting like ain't
nothing going on, Okay, still doing all the things, taking
care of kids, working, working out, just all the things.
We still doing it hemorrhaging and an actual fucking pain

(36:54):
all day all day. Yeah, I agree, But you think
just doing away, going and sebilistic and address is doing
it better than an actual woman. Listen, that's how you
know women are the gods on the planet because these
niggas literally.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And that's hurtful to say. And I don't think people
understand like what it really entails. And that's why they
say stuff like that, because it's like talking to a
fish and asking a fish what water is. They don't
know because they in it. You know, like, you can't
explain it to them, so I don't even try. All right,
So did Melinda deserve more than just compensation?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Okay? So once her husband once Robert like sold his invention,
which didn't come until after she had left him, right,
And that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you may have to
leave people for them to reach their full potential for
things to happen. It may not was it probably wasn't
supposed to happen with them together in the first place.

(37:52):
But they were trying to stay together, you know what
I'm saying, while the whole time he's going through this transition,
trying to figure out, trying to get somebody to buy
into his invention and all that, and the minute they
break up, it happens.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
But it's just the other woman to come along, That's
what That's what's so crazy how it got worked sometime
because it took this other woman who was already a
part of this company to you know, give help him
with the opportunity to even be seen because he stayed
with Melinda, that probably would have never happened, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Mean, it could have still had like it was happening
when he was kind of with her. Did he did
he did he meet the lady after Melinda left him?
He already knew her. I think no, he ran into
Was this not the bitch that was in the trailer?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, so look so now years later you run into
your old thing and she's actually working at the place
you was trying to get your foot in for all
this time. That's what I'm saying, Like, sometimes the relationship,
the relationships you were in, will shape your life. So
it was a negative for Melinda, it was more of

(38:57):
a positive for him. He used her, He used her youth,
he used her life for us. He saw how crazy
she started looking at the house. He put her house
up for sale, her mama's house.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
She did that.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
She mortgaged the house. Yeah, she mortgaged the house. They
were about to lose their home.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
They did lose it.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
They they ended up they ended up buying it back,
or he ended up buying it back. And and once
he got all the money.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, he bought it back for her. Yeah, they lose it.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
So she she literally gave her entire life to him.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And then down Now, you can't say that that woman
wouldn't do whatever for him. She did it all. She
took she took care of him while he was trying to,
you know, get his invention off.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
The because she believed in him.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
So you have these men on these podcasts telling women,
you know, stop dating for potential stuff like that the
man has to do this. But then on the other hand,
you're like, oh, y'all, y'all, y'all want somebody who's already together,
like you just want to come in and kick your
feet up. Like there's no right or wrong in any
of these situations. But women are definitely damned if we
do and damned if we don't. You picked wrong, y'all

(40:07):
need to make better decisions. You did all that for
the wrong nigga, It's not true, like you just never know.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You never know, you never know because pet Poofs and
really remind doing this was never on my bingo card.
I always thought they were like, always be together and
be quiet about the things that because there's no doubt
in my mind that pet Poofs had other things going on, absolutely,
but they were very respectful about it. What happened to

(40:35):
the respect you know, saying.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
You don't remember when Jada Janat pinked and Will Smith
was going through the whole Uh what does she call
it an entanglement when they were going through that whole debacle, Like,
there is no doubt in my mind that there was
an outside entity, right that exposed all us. It wasn't
them in their marriage. Jada didn't do it. Will didn't

(41:00):
do it. Oh boy did it. What's his name? August
August Asina. He put them on blast. He put the
relationship with Jada Pikan on blast kind of right, So
she was like hanging out with him, but that was
her son's friend also, right, But when when Will Smith?
When when the chick hit the fan? Right? I'm pretty
sure through all these years of marriage, Will Smith has

(41:23):
done things in that marriage. But what Jada didn't do
is take it as an opportunity to disparage him. Once
her ship was on the forefront, she took accountability for it.
She didn't get online and say, well, this was during
a time when you was fucking so so and so so.
I needed attention then, and this is why this happened.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
She didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
She just took her fucking l and she kept her
mouth shut.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
And when I was raking her over the colds.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yes, and never once did she come out and say, well, y'all,
Will Smith ain't fucking innocent, right, not one time? But
I just want men to like, ain't no way in
the in hell men think Will Smith is innocent and
hadn't done anything. I think that for years they had
this open relationship type situation that people thought existed. Wasn't sure,

(42:07):
but maybe it was one of those like not don't
ask on tail, but like or maybe ask before you
do this bullshit. And she basically she led somebody in
their relationship who had something, who didn't have nothing to lose. Basically,
you gotta fuck with people who lost something to lose. Yeah,
he was a fucking kid. So I think that's the

(42:28):
difference between her bullshit and will Smith bullshit. Girl, why
are you fucking on this child?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Was Melinda a victim marvillain?

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I think she was both. I think she was both
because I feel like after she knocked his trailer like
earlier on, he should have never engaged with her ever again,
Like that should have been it. You know, it's not.
That's not really love. That is possession.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah you tried to murder me?

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, people, that's that's being very much possessive, right, so
the signs were there earlier on that she was capable
of some some real bullshit. And do y'all really want
a woman that follows you blindly?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, but that means if somebody else comes along that
talks a good game, she could be suited over there,
if it sounds a little bit better. Y'all don't want
somebody who just blindly follows people, right, They think that's
what they want. They think they want a dumb bitch
until you actually get one, and then you be on
the phone complaining with the bitch with depth, right, talking
shit about your wife or girlfriend with that person, Tiler,

(43:36):
flip it over.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
That's what happened.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
So I do think she was she was made to
be the villain in this movie because she was the
one doing the most damage, right, acting the craziest. So
she was the villain in the movie. But I feel
like her husband, I probably would consider him a villain too.

(44:00):
Why you depleted her life source?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
What?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I don't understand everything she had?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Why you wasn't working, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Like?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Who and nobody gets to just sit and chase their
dreams like you got to do both? You could have
been working at McDonald's someplace else. Like he literally was
just fixated on this thing. And when you when you
are fixated on a thing, it is bound to That
is what makes things happen. It's consistency, right, it's doing
it every fucking day, not knowing the outcome. It will

(44:34):
eventually happen, but it could be twenty years, right, you
see what I'm saying. It could take a very long
time for things to come to fruition. And she's stuck
in there the entire time, and he's take He's.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
In her ear too. She had her sisters in her
ear like telling her, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, because it didn't make sense to anybody. How does
this make sense to anybody?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah? I get it. But then when he was all
bossed up, everybody was looking stupid, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
But it took him how many years to get bossed up?
Twenty years? That is excessive. So he should he at
some point he should have like, hey, I need to
help my family, I need to help my wife. Let
me take Let me not do this all day long
and go work. This is the equivalent to a nigga
playing PlayStation all day long while you're working. And he
got your car, and shit, it's the same thing. Yeah,

(45:28):
it's better, right because he has an actual invention, he
has an actual vision, he's driven, he has purpose.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
And he's smart. You know, like this is something that
could really work, but it.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Took too fucking long. Yeah that is like she should
have never stuck in there that long.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, like you can work on that after work, after work. Yeah,
it's all the after work time to that. But you're
gonna have to help around here. I can't just do
it by myself.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And I know it's a movie, but listen, you got
niggas who be spending a girlfriend's tax return on studio
time and she over there in the corner cheering them on,
you know what I'm saying, and he's ever what s
y'all mean? Little phrase was in his first book. Uh,
fuck your dreams. That might be somebody else's dream. Okay,

(46:17):
it may never work for you. Fuck your dreams. You
gotta be realistic sometimes something like that. Listen, you have
to be realistic, except but you also have to be
delusional about your dream though. Yeah, not on somebody else's dying.
He would have never been able to do any of
those things if she didn't exist if he was sitting

(46:39):
there in.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
A house, that he delusion, delusional about your dream on
somebody else's dying, by all means do it?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
No, that that's abuse. What the hell by all means doing?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Listen, in business, they say don't use your own money,
use somebody else's all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
You and your we're talking about a husband and wife, tammy, Okay,
we're not talking about going to bank for a loan. Okay,
these motherfuckers was about to be popers. That's how much
he drained her because he didn't have any money to
do these things. I know these people in real life.
This is why I sound like this right now. I'm

(47:16):
the fucking lutley who be going very close okay, who'll
be going through. And I want her to get a
new husband. She should have been had a new husband.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Rap.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, he don't wrap, but he can't keep a goddamn job.
And you always funding and finance in his fucking dreams. Yes,
I know these people, and she she hasn't reached her
full potential because that energy has been in her life
for twenty years. I feel like she should be way further.

(47:47):
She's fucking she's an intellectual, she's really really smart. But
this is the dumbest part of her life.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Love, you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Saying, Like, No, this is not like going to a bank.
This is in your household. You don't use somebody. You
don't use people, and people are meant to be used.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
If you can't be used, you're just a fucking as
You're just a liability. He was a fucking liability. She
couldn't use him.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I think you should use each other.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, she wasn't getting nothing out of it, right, yeah
at that time. Okay, so now, yeah, you got all
the money. He wrote her a big check to pay
for all the things that was I now, y'all not together,
your shit blew up? You give her the check, understandable, right.
That wasn't enough for her because she still loved him.
She wanted her man to and the good life.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Now you get to be like, oh, yeah, this emotional
investment that wasn't paid on. Yes, that's really what it was.
It was no money that could have satisfied how she
felt because it was the emotional investment that was missing
for her.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
And this is why I always say I'm okay with
giving a a woman a refurbished man, Right, because maybe
you're not meant to do the things with me, And
I'm okay with that, right, So you're gonna go on.
You're gonna learn from this relationship and you're gonna be
a better man to the next woman. If you keep saying, oh, now,

(49:18):
if you keep thinking about what that person is gonna do,
they're gonna do better now and with somebody else. If
you keep thinking of wanting to return on your investment,
you're gonna be disappointed all the time. You're gonna be
like Melinda. So you gotta be okay with leaving somebody
when things are right aren't right with y'all together?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
And you can't give so much of yourself that you
have resentment to this level exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
We talked about this the other day, Like, yeah, like,
don't do don't do anything if it's not from the heart,
you know, and don't do if you expect return.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, even if it is from the heart, don't overextend
yourself to the point where you feel this inful because
it can happen. It can happen, and you look up
and you've given a man your best years and he
go off to be happy with somebody else.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, and you gotta be okay with that possibility. Don't
stay in a relationship because you're you feel like, man,
if we break up, what's she going to go do
better with somebody else? You gotta be okay with that,
Go get better with somebody else. Do it too exactly,
So you're thinking a little bit too little of yourself
if you think that you can't get into another relationship
where things are better for you as well.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So was that in an innocent party or a homewrecker?
I believe she was an innocent party, you know what
I'm saying. She had the tools that he needed and
if you're my friend, why wouldn't I help you? And
that home was already read by the time they started,
you know, exactly in a romantic way. That home was
already broken.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
And he didn't want to break up. He didn't want
to break out with Melnda. He wasn't really trying to
leave her. So that's what that's the part where he's
a villain because he was using her, right he he doesn't.
He may not see it that way, and people watching
the movie may not see it that way. He definitely
used the hell out of his wife, and she allowed
him to use her because he because she believed in him.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
But that's why he tried to wrote her check for
like what, ten million dollars. He bought her house back.
You know, he tried to make amends for all the
years of abuse, you know, financial abuse. He tried to
make amends for that, but there was no amends to
be made because what she wanted didn't have a dollar

(51:32):
amount on it. He wanted the life that was promised
to her. She wanted to house him by, she wanted
the boat, and he gave all this to this other
woman and the baby that she could never have. That
girl was in the courtroom chastising her, rubbing her belly,
looking at her baby. I know that pissed, and that
would have pisce anybody off right, because she knows she

(51:52):
can't mother a child. And this is the same woman
that you cheated on me with and had me go to.
Now she had to take account of what she did
because you can't have a baby because you drive, like
anybody who drive a car into a building.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
A baby. You need therapy, y'all. Somebody I remember somebody
had commented on Instagram. I just started thinking about just now,
when you were talking about the girl rubbing the belly.
Somebody had commented it was like AJ seemed like she
got built up or bent up, anger or something inside.
I really don't. But let me tell y'all how people
be fucking with me? Right because I know who I

(52:29):
am and they can't, so they really try real hard
to fuck with me. Don't y'all know? My ex sent
me a picture of him he delivered his child after
we broke up. Right, He had a baby, got somebody pregnant,
had another baby, third baby, third baby, Mama nigga. He
was not the prize. He sent me a picture delivering
this baby at the house. He sent me a picture

(52:50):
of this baby straight out the pussy, like the girl's
foot amiotic fluid was on the floor. The girl's foot
was in the picture. But you sent my mom on
the regularized picture with the baby would close on and
shit like that, like what the fuck? Like that type
of ship will make you kill.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
A nigga's because he knew how you wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's not And you know, I still I realize now
that things aren't supposed to happen because you're not. You're
not in a situation you're supposed to be in for
it to fucking happen, right, So I was never supposed
to have his child. It wasn't that I wanted a
child so bad. It's my subconscious mind not allowing it
to happen because I wasn't where I was supposed to
be at, right, That's all it is. We determine when

(53:32):
we're gonna have kids for real, and women do have
to be comfortable to conceive and I wasn't. But the
nerve of you, son of a bitch send me that
fucking picture with that, I just couldn't believe it. This
ship was fucking funny as it held to me. But
this you and I went through the fucking fire with
a nigga, and this is how it will repay you,

(53:55):
because why you think I want to see that? And
then I had to also think like maybe he didn't
even think about it like that, you know what I'm saying.
But then I just knowing his uh, like the routine
bullshit from him. He definitely did that on purpose.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah he did, and that was hurtful. Weird, Oh shit,
that was hurtful. Yeah, that's how people be fucking me.
So it's not bent up anger because I talk about
my shit bitch. So it's not something that's like settling inside.
But imagine that for a second.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
The fuck anyway?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, like I couldn't be like, so you don't feel
like you're angry.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
No, No, I am just I am fucking strict. I'm
very stern. I don't play about me. So that's probably
how it comes out to people, because you cannot play
with me. That's all it is. I am not a
fucking nice person. I am good. I go above and
beyond for people, and I just be wanting that same

(54:57):
thing in return. But realize in that, you know, everybody
just isn't like that. It's okay, So but I'm gonna
defend me every time.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
So a question overall? Do you think men are good?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Overall?

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I think an audience to know, like where you're standing.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, I think a lot of men. I think a
lot of men lack integrity, right, I think a lot
of men they lie a lot. And it's not just me.
I think most women feel the same way.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Men will not tell you the truth. They will put
your life in their hands and make decisions for you,
as opposed to telling you the truth and give you
all the information. So you're making an informed decision about
what you want for your life. So that's really all
it is. A lot of most men lack integrity. Yes,
I saw this post on Instagram recently, and this guy

(55:48):
was like, if I tell you this, I'm not gonna
get the pussy. Like, if you tell you don't know
that though you know what I'm saying. So they don't
even want to run the risk of you not fucking
with them. So from day one, they just met you.
At one, they'll start with lies. That is somebody who
lacks integrity. Yeah, you're just lying for no reason. I'm
a stranger. Tell me the truth and let me decide

(56:08):
whether or not I want to fuck with you or not.
Tell me you married, Tell me you got a baby
on the way, Tell me all you want is pussy,
Tell me that.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I might just want to fuck.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I might not want nothing either.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I don't think most men like integrity.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
When it comes to relationships with women.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, I don't think that. I think most of the
men we've dated, I think there are good men out there.
I think they're just not available to us anymore. I
think they're don't just say men we dated, Let's talk
about our dads, Okay, I hate to generalize all men

(56:47):
negative connotation and be like, oh, because I didn't, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I said most. I didn't say all. I did say most, though.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Because I hate whomen do that to us and be like,
most women are gold diggers? Are most women we should be?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Though?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I'm not offended by that women should be gold diggers.
It is our job to make sure we pick the
best suitable mates to procreate with. Okay, and if we
actually did that, a lot of niggas would die having
never had sex, if we actually did the primal thing
right and picked the best person to have to have
a family with.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, and I agree, But I think a gold digger
is something different, you know. I don't think because that
that that's not just about money. That's as about emotional intelligence, integrity,
like spirituality and all those things in conface, A good
mate is not just finances, whereas a gold digger is
a woman who's looking for the man with the most money.

(57:41):
You know. So, I, you know, I don't believe that
to be true. Not all women are gold diggers. Now,
do they want a man who can provide and be
a good mate and a good father, Yes, Why wouldn't
you want that? No, I don't want to know who
wants somebody who they got to drag along like another child.
Nobody wants that, So go digging different.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I think everything is necessary. Right. Women who only date
men for money, I'm pretty sure that at some point
they were dating for love to right, and they realize
that because men want to dig your pussy? Why you
can't dig the gold? Okay, why can't I? But it's

(58:24):
a man more than this pussy? Am I tripping?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Oh? You think they reduce us to cooking, cleaning and fucking?
What are you talking about? That is what we're like, Supposedly,
that's all we're good for. I just told somebody last week, like,
women have an innate thing about them that you can't
even see or touch, but you only can feel. Right,
and if you are not a man with purpose, right,

(58:50):
you're gonna be you're looking you don't realize that this
woman that you're taking care of, who have buried your children? Right,
there's two different type of men in the world. It's
either one who wants to take care of like a
man who feeds his ego based on how many people
he can take care of and then the other man
is how many bitches he can fuck? All right, those
are the two types of men that we're dealing with.
I prefer, you know, men who like to take care

(59:13):
of people who go above and beyond for.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Their family out there, that are healed, healthy, looking for
a partner to grow with, build generational wealth with, start
a family with.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
They may feel just like us right now, and.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It's not just based on fucking cooking and what else she.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Said, and sucking dick and cleaning.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yes, there are some men, right, but they may they
may have given the best in themselves to the gold diggers,
to whoever else. So it's gonna be hard for us
to meet them, you know, you know what I'm saying,
because they probably feeling like us. Shit, I do better
by myself, right, I don't need a man. I don't
need a woman for this.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I don't need y'all.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I don't need y'all. It's it's it's it's probably given
that for those men, they probably in the house like me,
in the house, trying trying to get their portfolios together, right,
trying to diversify their portfolio, like really working on their lives.
Because women come with the money first of all. So
I would suggest all men just just focus on the
money for real, just focus on getting the bag, so

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then you could get you can attract the partner you want.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
But it may be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
That's the problem. They like the women who only because
that you would. I think a lot of modern women
because I have a different, different definition of modern women.
I think a lot of modern women we take men's
jobs away. The man's job is to provide. But when
you acting like you the nigga with money, then you complain,

(01:00:45):
you get somebody who's a taker. You end up with
this nigga who needs your money, who needs your time,
who needs your energy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I don't know, like the nigga wo't the money me either.
I'm always the damsel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
And see it's tough for me to be the damsel
in distress, right because I won't act like the nigga
with the money. But I probably have an ore about
myself that I'm gonna be okay without you, you know
what I'm saying, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Really know, Like I make these niggas feel like I need.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I need you, and that's how men have to feel
like they Yeah, but then everybody gets burnt out right.
So imagine a man who's been taking care of his
family for fifteen years, and he's the prime decision maker, right,
Your wife doesn't make any decisions. It's probably because you're
a control free right. You pick this type of woman

(01:01:32):
because you want to be in control of everybody in
your household. So that's something that man has to work through.
But you can't have resentment towards her for not using
her brain much. That's the type of woman you want it,
right you? And I think often somebody you got to
take care of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
These women, don't They do have brains, but you have,
You have made it to a place where she hasn't
had to use it, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Right, and then he go when he when he gets
to a certain place, he might leave you. You ain't
stacked none of his money.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
But let me tell you, let me let me recant that,
because any woman who's in there raising your children has
to use her brain a lot, a lot, So she
may not be using it toward business and things like
that and more money. Well, when it comes to raising
these children, it is a job in itself. Yeah, And

(01:02:25):
I feel like if you are that woman in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, I feel like if you are a man with means,
a man of integrity, you realize the that innate like
the value that a woman actually brings, like Mama's come
with a loaf of bread. You get the right woman,
your whole life elevates. You get married, you have a
fucking We can use Charlemagne as a private prime example.
I met Jessica and Charlemagne at the same time. All right,

(01:02:52):
I'm seventeen, however old they are, like Jessica's low bit
older than me. Charlemagne is older both of us, but
I'm at them at the same time when he was
just working at radio station part time type shit. Right,
it is her energy and you know people won't see
that though. Right, It is her energy that got him
to where he is, and he knows that as a man.

(01:03:14):
And that's why Charlamagne always surround himself with women, because
that's what some successful men do. It is just something like,
you're not gonna have to worry about the cockfights because
kings are born, right, you can't really like you can
beat apprenticeship underneath another king to get your king position, right,
That's what a smart man would do. But a lot
of these niggas want to be the fucking chief they won.
They don't want to be the Indian. And that's what

(01:03:36):
we're missing in our community. Men learning from actual other
men so that they can then be in position. These
niggas just want to take somebody else's position because they
think they deserve it. Right, you don't know what this
person had to go through to get there. You don't
know who else made sacrifices for this person to get
to where they're going. Also, so it is the energy
of the woman that enables the man to do the things,

(01:03:59):
to go out and get the bread, right to bring
it back home. It's the energy of his family. No one,
he has his purpose. I gotta take care of these people.
This is my responsibility. They're gonna do it. But when
they they were somebody to take care of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
The thing, that's what it says in the Bible. You
know a woman would beat you as a man. I agree,
these they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
These men don't realize it though we're not this this
life is based off of double occupancy. None of us
should be trying to do it ourselves. Y'all should see
that based on the fucking economy, no one person should
be trying to afford their lives by theirselves. Like, yes,
women have been forced to do that though now because
it's easier than to be with the second person, having

(01:04:39):
then struggle with them because oftentimes we're taking other people
into consideration before we take ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And then you know, you get dragged Big MoMA and
then they didn't really have a lot of choice, you know,
they had to be with someone because they couldn't afford
to do it by themselves. It wasn't like the opportunities
that we have now, because I don't you know, do
we think that Big Mama would have wanted to stay
with Granddaddy if she could could go out on her

(01:05:09):
own and do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Absolutely not. But I don't believe every Big Mama's story
is the same because there were some real good men
back then, right who didn't have multiple families.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
There's good men now. Yeah, I don't want to like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, they they definitely exist. I know some. I've ran
into some, right, and then I just didn't like them
and ended up somewhere I wasn't supposed to fucking be
because it was funner over there. This nigga was strict
over here, you know what I'm saying. So I definitely
know good men exist. I'm not saying they don't exist.
And I'm also not gonna say I've never dated a

(01:05:43):
good man, because I have. I think if you are
a woman who say all niggas ain't shit, chances are
you ain't shit either, Right, That's not what I'm saying, okay,
because I am shit. But I do believe again, a
lot of men do lack integrity, right, even the good ones,
even self proclaimgas I just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
I agree, But I don't think it's just men. I
think it's just people. You know, people lack integrity, People
need therapy, people need to work on themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
And who'll be working on themselves the most so we
can put so we can show up as our higher
selves to people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I think we do. I think women, you know, are
definitely actively trying to be better versions of theirselves. But
I feel like men are too, you know, we just
may be doing it faster. I don't think. I mean
it's some men that's just out here, ain't shit and
don't care, you know, and they're just gonna die, ain't shit.
But I think it's uh, you know, there's men out

(01:06:40):
here who are not proud of their past and trying
to be better versions of their self actively every day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Yeah, leave that, nigga. Let me tell y'all, men learn
from hurt, Men learn from consequence consequences. Men learn from pain.
I'm telling y'all what I fucking know, right, so he
will remember the hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Nobody likes to be left, especially a narc. Okay, you
just call Ice cold a ass. They're going to be
a good man to the next bitch, Savannah, Meg, it
just wasn't supposed to be for you. And then you
can get somebody else's a furbished nigga. Okay, and then
while I you got a husband, it's got to be open.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I would never be Melinda, and I won't say that.
My last relationship, we were starting businesses and stuff like
that together. I haven't gotten a return on any investment. Okay.
The last conversation I had with this food we was
arguing about the food truck. Shit, this last conversation, I
didn't get my return on the investment. You got the
food truck. I'm just saying, you can't have the name,

(01:07:48):
you can't have the company, you can't have the trademark.
I'll sell it to you. I'll license it to you.
But do you think I'm not supposed to get anything?
You came up, you wanted to do this thing right,
and I made the initial investment, so I kicked it off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
So do you think trust?

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
No, I don't. I just want my fair share. I
wish we could have been I wish we could have been,
like still in a position where we could do business
together and not be together. But he's not that type
of person. I definitely wish we could have done that,
but I wouldn't have been able to be in a
new relationship and having to deal with him on a
daily basis now other way around. I don't care who
you wit. Let's get this fucking money. I wish I

(01:08:27):
had we could have done that, but no, and there's
no resentment towards it. But you ain't about to play me.
You're not about to play me. So, yeah, I need mine,
I need my money, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
No, I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, you can give me my money back. You know,
you don't even have to give me interest. You just
give me back what I put in and I'll be
okay with it. But no, you're not just about to
get everything, and you're sending me foots and amniotic fluid
pictures with fucking umbilical cords still attached.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Hurtful. That was heurtful to send you, And I bet
you in his mind he wasn't trying to be hurtful
to you. I think he was trying to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Possibly possibly right, But I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Think people sometimes don't understand how even their joy can
be hurtful to you, you know, especially if you had
been in a relationship and knowing that motherhood was something
that I wanted, you know, So I hate that. I
don't like that. I don't like nothing about what happened
uh with that relationship for you. And I do hope

(01:09:41):
that the next relationship or the current is the one
that gives you, not the next or the current gives
you everything that you've always wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Your I'm always going to get what I want. I
just have to. I think what women need to do,
and this is not just for me. Right, we need
to trust ourselves. Talked about the clitical thinking last week.
We need to trust ourselves more, right, and stop and
stop using because the men like to say they're more logical, Right,

(01:10:10):
we need to try to be more logical and actually
you got to do both right, so that innate thing
and then do like a data assessment what is actually
happening right right, and make your decisions based off of
that and not just pure heart and emotion.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Right, Because you look up and you Melinda.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Exactly. You don't want to be Melinda. You don't want
to be like crashing out like she did. I was
thinking she survived. I don't know, she did get shot
and went into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
It's hard to survive that. But crazy people live a
long time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Evil lives long.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Crazy too crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah. So one of the things here that say was
Robert a dream of manipulator. He was both Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
He's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I wasn't mad at either character because I don't think
he meant to be that, you know, a user. I
don't think that was his intention. He was just focused
on his own dream. I don't think. Uh, but Linda
wanted She just wanted to love her husband down and

(01:11:23):
wanted to be loved back, and she had mental health
issues where she couldn't handle her anger. I don't think
either one of them was like intentional villains.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
You know, he had no room for error though in
that relationship. Aside from like, as long as she knew
he was there working on that thing, that Nigga had
no room for anything else, no errors, She probably would
have killed him. She tried to kill him again, he
probably would have killed him again. So yeah, story, I

(01:11:56):
would love to see an acrimony too. What's your last?

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Last?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
For this? For the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
No, just for the conversation itself, because this is more
than the movie, right, I tell mine, why are you
thinking of yours?

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I guess it would be yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Always circles back to keep your regrets to a minimum.
Y'all your regrets to a minimum. Try to make the
best choices for your life, and then consider others as
you go. You know, you can't be too selfish. It's
all about balance. Can't be too selfish, but you also
need to be a bit selfish. It has to be

(01:12:41):
like that middle ground or you could end up resentful
and wasting your time and it just love yourself on
purpose and others. So all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
So I just feel like she gave him everything, her money,
her time, her youth, all the things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
So, I think what women often are looking for is reciprocity,
give and take and no relationship, maybe in a romantic
relationship or even with your friends or family. There should
not You should not always be somebody that someone calls
to take from. Right, people should also be doing for you.
And that's where you know you don't end up with

(01:13:29):
resentment because I guess I want to pose a question
to the listeners. If you invest in someone's potential and
they finally win big, what do they owe you? What
do you feel is just do? What do you feel like?
How do you what do you feel about the check?
Is it big enough?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
What would you require to be okay? After you've given
your entire life to somebody else? Because she gave her
mental health, this is what she's never she would if
she lived, she was never going to be able to
go and be with somebody else. This had her fucked up?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Why though, That's the thing because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
That in her mind, that was her person, That is
who I was supposed to spend the rest of my
life with in her mind. But I guess it had
conditions also, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I don't think you should ever be that attached to
anybody in this life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Absolutely not. I I purposely practice detachment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Just you know you got because you are going up
out of here by yourself. I don't give a damn
who you. You know, you got to leave here by yourself.
So it's okay to love, but the greatest love is
to love yourself, God itself, because you you can't take
nobody with you. Nope, So I don't know. And if

(01:14:56):
you are dad attached to someone, then you need to
go to therapy and see how to untether in that way.
That's not healthy, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah, all right, y'all, we gotta start making these. Maybe
we'll start doing the movie episodes for like Patreon. We
can't just keep doing movie reviews for episodes, y'all. I
like it too, I mean because it opens up dialogue
for other conversations, right, not just the movie, like how
would you do it? Who's tripping? Anyway? So if y'all

(01:15:28):
enjoyed this episode, y'all tune in every Thursday on The
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a tam.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Y'all, it's official, Tam bam. I love y'all own purpose.
I want you to love your cell phone purpose and
always channel the energy of Cardi b Casu, Doal, Taylor, Anderiod.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Move on, yes, all right, remember it now and never
hold them niggas. Girl it up out of asked net.
Bye bye,