October 17, 2025 • 24 mins
Tamra’s reliving her last moments in the castle and we hate to see her go. But, she answers all of our BTS questions…
How does a “murder” in this game actually work? When do you find out who the traitors are? Was Tamra happy to leave? What was her reaction when she realized Phaedra was behind it all?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome into all you faithful and traders. It's time for
another episode of By Order of the Faithful. As I'm
wells that I'm alongside.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Tamra Judge and a Laura's Cotana.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today's going to be a really fun episode because we
are having our first guest and star from the show
on in Burgie Burgolicious, And I got to be honest
with you, like watching him on my TV, it always
like brings a smile to my face, Like I enjoy
seeing him on my TV.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good energy, He's so sweet, right, Yes, he's.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like the kind of guy you want your daughter to Mary.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
And when he talks, he smiles while he's talking, and
he's like, uh, like he's got this perpetual smile and
we're not used to that, Tamera, So where do I go?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
No, he was very quiet most of the time until
we did the graveyard with the lights and then he
really sparked up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, he came out of his shell for sure. I'm
I think the main thing that I want to know
when he comes on is the quiet ones are the
ones you got to watch out for. I have found
this to be true on a lot of reality TV
shows that I've made he so very obviously was a
faithful like. It seemed like that was no one was
(01:19):
going to make that guy a trader. But after watching him,
especially at that the light challenge where he like figured
out the puzzle and then he was just like bird
dogging on Dan, I do think that there's a world
which he'd be a really good trader, And I wonder
if he would ever like entertain that idea on a
future season.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think he would make an amazing trader. Yeah, because
he's so smart and he's underestimated.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, this is a very sad
episode and we need to eulogize here. I think, yeah,
All should have worn all black. This was the episode
that are our dear host of the show, Tamer Judge
was murdered in the middle of the night, and I
(02:04):
just we got to start with what happened? Did you
just come in when it happened? Did you know what
was going to be written on there? Tell us everything?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What does it feel like? How's that hit in your stomach?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, so, first of all, I did not see it coming.
I was laying low under the radar, had never had
a finger pointed at me, never had my name written down.
I had been sick, I had just started to feel better.
I was excited to start the game. And that next
(02:38):
morning we go into the room and it's the room
that they hold you before into their separate rooms before
you go into breakfast.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Very excited about my outfit. Even go in this room
and I'm with you who I think Trashelle was with me,
maybe CT But it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Was the room that I was in when Johnny Bananas
got murdered. So they don't tell you right there you're
getting murdered, but they say, single you out, Okay, Tamra,
let's go. And I turned around and I looked at everybody, go,
I'm getting murdered.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Ah, I knew. I just knew.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's the room that's closest you have to walk through
the courtyard. You go in that room where there's a
chair and the letters on the chair, and sure enough,
And it was bittersweet because.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had been so sick. I missed home. Although I
was feeling better.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I ended up in the hospital when I got home
with a very serious condition with tubs down my nose.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The medication that.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They put me on was extremely strong, and I have
intestinal issues and I've had intestinal surgery before, so I
have a lot of scar tissue in my intestine, so
be very careful taking medication or anything like that. So
the medication they gave me put inflammation in my intestines,
(04:10):
and the last few days I was getting these pains
in between my rib cage and I'm like, God, what, Like,
I'm not a person that gets heartburn or anything like that,
so I'm like, I don't know what this is. They
kept giving me medication like acid, medicaid whatever. By the
time I got home, I was so sick and my
(04:30):
husband's like, you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Second day, he's like, I'm taking you to the hospital.
I get there and they're like, we're admitting you. You
have an intestinal blockage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh my god, that's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, And so they put the tube down my nose
into my intestine and we're sucking everything out. And I
was there for I can't remember three or four days
and then I went home.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
But so it was good. It was because I would
have probably died there.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, it was time to come home.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah. I have questions that are like logistical ones because
I wasn't murdered. I was banished, so I never got
to experience this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh okay, you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Know when you watch the show, the kind of like
timeline and implication is is that you leave, you leave
the round table, you go to bed, but really you
get into a car and you drive back to a
different hotel already five minutes away. But the timeline is
supposed to be that, like right before you go to bed,
(05:32):
you walk into this room where you find this letter.
But what's really happening is everyone goes back to breakfast
the next day, they single you out, and they pretend
like it's nighttime, but really it's the next day.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So my question is did they ask you to bring
a set of clothes that you were wearing the day before?
So continuity wise, it made sense.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No, And I actually have not noticed that.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I thought when I watch it, it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Happens that morning.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oh really, that's how I when I see it, because
I'm in a totally different outfit. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But no, what they what I did have to do?
So what happens?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You go in there, you read the letter da da,
Then they say, okay, like pack up, let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You're going back to the hotel. We're going to get
you the hotel. We're gonna check you out of the hotel.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And then at five o'clock, now this is early in
the morning that you get murdered. Five o'clock, we're going
to drive you back to the castle. And mind you,
forty five minutes to an hour each way. So I
drove there, drove back, sat in my hotel room. I
actually talked them into letting.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Me stay in the hotel. I go, just let me stay.
I'm not going to leave the hotel. Just let me stay.
And I don't even know why they do that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Why were they bringing you back?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They brought wanted to bring me back to do b roll.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, so listen to this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I had to go back put on my original outfit
from day one, when you have to wear for three days.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Anyways, right, yeah, I know it what it back on.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
And then they had me bring pajamas and they did
just some a b roll of me in the castle.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And then you know, I had to be very careful
because they had to be out on.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
A mission when I was doing this, so nobody saw me.
And then then I had to do some stuff in
the bedroom in pajamas and it was just crazy. And
then after that you get in a car and you
go do press.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah what they ask you who you think the traders are, right,
and then you say who you think it is, and
then they reveal it to you.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, it's through.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I think it's like they air it on Peacock or something.
I can't remember because I never watched the interviews.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So they take you and it's the best day of your.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Life after you get murdered, because it's at a hotel,
a very old hotel, and you get to drink.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
They serve you drinks right there. There's a bar there,
you know, because it's for so free you feel for
so long.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You're back and forth Hotel Castle, Hotel Castle, and after
that you're like, oh my god, a change of scenery.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Thank god, nice shower.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And then what.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
People don't know too, is like after each night at
the castle, drive home. The driver pulls over to the
side of the road. He gives you a mask and
a black blanket to put over your head. You drive
five yeah, you drive five more minutes, and they cover.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You as you go into the hotel. I mean, it's
so crazy. All the things they do.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They really have all everything. They dot their eyes and
cross their t's on this show. Production is no joke.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I still don't understand why after you get murdered or
did they do this when you got banished, they moved
you out of a hotel into a different one.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, into the nice one by the golf course.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh it's nice, great, Yeah, But the thing is is
like the hotel that we stay in is in the
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Of the airport, the airport. Yeah, that hotel sucked.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
It. Well, yeah, I would rather have them do it
at the other way.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Put us in the nice hotel, and then the day
that we get murdered, put.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Us in the hotel.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah right, we just walk her happy.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Little asses, sorry little asses over and get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wait so.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Long from the time you're murdered do you get on
the plane?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Mine was pretty cold, Mine was pretty quick. So luckily
there was a flight the next morning, really early, so
I literally twenty four hours. However, Marcus was still there
when I was there stop.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I guess it depends on what the flight because they
got to get that flight that day. And if there's
no flights available, then you're screwed. You have to stay
in extra couple days, which wouldn't have been bad had
I not been sick, and I could have explored Scotland
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
No, you can't, and I can tell you. I can
tell you why because I tried to do it and
they didn't let me. Yeah, why you are when I
was when they were negotiating me to come do the
show because I didn't think I was gonna be able
to do it because my other show usually films then,
and they were like, well, if it doesn't, we'd love
(10:38):
you to come, and I said, okay, that's great, but
no matter what happens, I would like to go afterwards,
rent a car and drive around Scotland and play golf
and see the Sights Center be in Scotland. And they
were like, yeah, sure, just sign the contractor we're fine whatever,
and I'm like okay. So then when I got vanished,
they were like, okay, you're flying home tomorrow and I
was like, oh, no, I need to see someone to
(10:58):
take me to the airport, so and go around a car.
I'm gonna go drive around and play golf and they're like, no,
you're not allowed to do that, and I was like,
it was part of the deal, and they're.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like, why, what's the reason responsibility.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Insurance wise because we are no longer part of the production,
so we And I was like, you guys really should
have told me this beforehand, because I was literally in.
I was The flight to Inverness was longer than the
time I spent in inverses.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Right, Oh my god, that is so funny and so true.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So when you get banished, it's that nighttime when do
you go home?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Because you have to do press, so you're there longer.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah. I did press like the entire day. The next
day I had b roll stuff, and then I was
out like the next the day after that, I was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh so you stayed longer than me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I feel it would be hard to stay after you're
banished or murdered, because it's like, all right, why why
do I have to do this?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm done?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Why do I have to do this extra work? It's
extra work, and then it's over, so.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You're like done. You're like I'm over this now, let
me go.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Real quick. I'm so sorry that you were murdered. Doesn't
seem right, but maybe just maybe they'll have you back again,
and maybe all three of us will go back again.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And that will love nothing more of what I love.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Maybe they'll just send us and we can interview people.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, I want to be Kate. I want to come
in in the middle of it and be like, what's
going on. I'm obviously not trying to know, no idea
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Let's act like we don't want to be there like
Kate does, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
The last is to go yeah, yeah, crazy like a fox. Anyways,
let's rip through this episode really quickly. If Brian Burrie,
you know, it starts out with uh, Phedra furious with poverty.
You know, Parvety kind of kind of buckles pretty quickly
and apologizes, and you know, Fhaeder kind of accepts, but
(13:13):
like I feel like doesn't trust her at all.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Done.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh and it looks could kill Parverty would have been
murdered by Faedria.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Well, first of all, like she groveled. She's like, oh,
how can I make it up to you? I'm so
so like just groveled. But she like should only know
that it was only a matter of time before Phaedra
got her back for that. Because Housewives don't let things go.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
M Now, I think it's funny that the murder was
between me and Sandra.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, why Sandra?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Why you?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I think she had to get rid of a housewife
to get rid of that stigma that you know, the
housewives stick together.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, it was Phaedria's saving her ass. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I don't know how many housewives were left at
that point, Me, Chary Charay and.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's it right, Well Bravo MJ. It would have been.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And if you wanted to say housewives are Bravo housewives.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So it's between me and Charray and she's really she's
close with Charay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So oh well, why do you think production wise they
brought Kate back? Is it because that one guy left
kind of in the middle of it and the numbers
needed to be.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yes, yes, I think so. I did not hear that,
but that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But why Kate?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Because Kate's good TV?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
They found her funny, they like surprises, they like things,
they like funny, they like sad, they like it all
the top.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah yeah, and she's over the top and you never
know it's going to come out of her mouth and
they need those sound bites.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, so she was. She was perfect for that.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
At the roundtable, you know, Kate gets revealed that she's there,
and then we kind of get into like what's going on.
You know, we've we everyone's been getting annoyed that Dan
doesn't really contribute anything. He never really has a theory,
and everyone's kind of seeing it's a red flag that
Janelle adds that every time she asked Dan for a name,
(15:13):
he gives her nothing. But then Dan thinks, now Janelle
is a trader, and he's able to convince everyone to
banish Janelle. Was just shocking to me because I feel
like it's so very obvious that it's Dan not a
smart move, right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't know what he was all bad?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
His whole performance was cringe worthy.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, I agree. And then obviously this is the episode
that Peter, you know, sets his trap, which really really
smart but also like really really risky.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was just going to say that, would.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You do that?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I tried to do it on RC?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Is it actually from watching?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Did you like echo what he did or was that
your own idea that you came up with at the time.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I was kind of echoing what he did, so I
was convinced during our season that Robin Sam and Bob
the Drag Queen were traders.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well you were right about one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And I was convinced that they were going to murder me.
And so when we did that challenge, I was the
one who like got West down and I told Wes.
I was like, I'm only putting my coins in yours
in your thing because I need your shield. And after
the thing we got we get him down, Wes told
me he was going to give me the shield. And
then I pulled I in aside and I said, I'm
(16:34):
I'm going to have the shield tonight, but I'm I'm
going to but I want you to say that you
got it.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well it's a win win because you're giving someone else
the shield by having them say it right, basically, you
really have it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And I thought for sure that they were going to
try to kill me because I was onto one of
them and and it it didn't matter because then I
went to the roundtable and that's when they got rid
of me. They got rid of me before I was
able to enact. This plan never made air, but I
did get I was in that little kitchen and the silo. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Anyways, well it was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You know, it worked, but after I worked, don't you
think some eyes were on him?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's you know, the game's not real, right, like it's
not real life. But he he does play it very
holier than thou, which I could see being a turnoff
to a lot of players. Yes, Dan attempted to murder Burgie,
(17:41):
but unbeknownst to them, Burge had the shield because of
the trap that that Peter sets. So everyone shows up
and you're just watching Dan's reaction and it just seems like, oh,
and I gotta say, I love that you're coming in
and being like we got it, you know, like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So and Poverty was so nervous too, both of them.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
It was funny that Peter was able to really tell
by their expressions who was who because it was between CT, Poverty,
and Dan. And He's like, I knew right away by
CT's response. I knew CT by the way he responded.
So I think, if I'm going to go back again
and I want to see CT's response and see what
(18:30):
it was like again, spend a little more time on it,
because because.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Whatever it was worked, Yeah, maybe just came across as
like authentic and real, whereas everyone else is like, what
what you told me? I didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Well, you know, it was funny when Dan's Adam z
apple when he was swallowing really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Hard and it kept going up and down, the hard swallow.
It was the hard swallow that got me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, we got to talk about you know, Dan's big
moment to like make a big move and kind of
throw Phedra under the bus during the roundtable.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like that cost him the game.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, and like but like by show of hands, what
do you think? And like who's the one who did
this thing?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And so when do you think he like went to
bed that night it was like okay.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Oh yeah, I got this, but he pulled he pulled
it on the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm not saying poverty couldn't have talked.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Her way out of it, But why go after faith attorney,
the housewife attorney, queen of of doing this for a living,
living through ten lives of this and you go after her.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's where he screwed up. Wrong one to pick.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but he has to pick a trader right, because
he has to be right to then prove that he
is not in fact a trader because.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He tried, so he had the choice of two.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was Yeah, I agree, And
I wonder why he thought it was the smarter play
to go Phaedra instead of poverty. Poverty him thank him.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Maybe he liked poverty better.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Yeah, I think he liked He thought he could work
better with poverty moving forward, and he thought I think
he thought long term, if he wound up at the tour,
it would be easier to get rid of Phaedra.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, not easier, but he would have been better off.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
He could have handled poverty long term and trying to
get rid of Phaedra while he could.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, he rolled the dice. He lost, That's it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
He should have just he was going to get banished
no matter what. Like the right of the wall, he
shouldn't have tried to take down one of his own.
And if I'm if I'm a faithful the one person
that I don't think is a trader is Faedra. And
then he does that, and now I'm like, okay, I
(20:58):
know exactly who the traders are. He tried to kill
another trader, and we're pretty sure it's also parvety like
now it's all over, which is why Alan shows up
in the turret and is like, so you.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Need to fix those he is screwed up. Yeah, well
that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Now, nobody figure gives up the Traders more than the trader.
No one figures it out before they start to turn
on each other easier, you know what I'm saying. Like
when Boston Rob on our show and Bob the drag
Queen went at it, that was the first kind of
idea of Trader on Trader.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah yeah, And this was the first time ride a
Trader went after a Trader on this episode.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So, I mean other than parvty kind
of like trying to drop a little hint here and there,
but no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, this was Trader on Trader and it was so good.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Why do you think they decided to try to recruit
the one guy who I think would probably say no in.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Peter because he was gaining a lot of traction. People
were listening to him. He was smart, had it figured out.
He's the one that called the shots on the whole
shield thing, even though it looked like it was just him,
his idea.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But it was everybody together.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Did he have the option to say yes or no?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, he did okay, and he turns it down and
then I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah,
and then he tells everyone what happened. You know, you know,
hindsight is twenty twenty. But looking back, if he had
accepted it, I think there's a very very real chance
that the Traders win this season, right, Like he could
(22:45):
have continued have pretended to be like holier than thou
and ran the table with poverty to the end.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Did he have the letter, Like I would keep that
letter and be like here, look, yeah, just approve I'm
a faithful But.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It doesn't It doesn't prove that you are. You aren't
because you're not writing yes or no. You're just if you.
If you, then you go to the tour, and if
you don't, you if you decide no, you don't go.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Because look at season one when when Christian said, I.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Was asked but I turned it down, and then they
were like yeah, yeah, right sure.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
So even saying it, you're taking a chance because season
one he said it and he was a Trader.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't know. I just don't think that if I
was in their shoes, I would have tried to get
Peter because I as if I'm a trader. I want numbers,
and that's the one person I think that will probably
say no, it doesn't help help my cause in terms
of number or even like a shield for someone else
to get banished before I am. If I want to
(23:50):
get to the end of the game, fields annoy me
like I think, like CT would have been a good
choice for that. I think is a gamer room.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Been like yes, oh yeah, it's been a great one.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Anyways, it was a fun episode, even though it started
off a tragedy with them getting rid of the best
person on the show and tam or Judge. Yeah, I'm
very sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Worth watching anymore, I know, damn to day who cares?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, we're done. When we come back on by order
of the Faithfuls, we are going to have a guy
who was a lynch pin in the show. He figured
out with pilot Pete who the traders were. Burglar Shifts
will be here. We'll see you there.
Welcome into all you faithful and traders. It's time for
another episode of By Order of the Faithful. As I'm
wells that I'm alongside.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Tamra Judge and a Laura's Cotana.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today's going to be a really fun episode because we
are having our first guest and star from the show
on in Burgie Burgolicious, And I got to be honest
with you, like watching him on my TV, it always
like brings a smile to my face, Like I enjoy
seeing him on my TV.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good energy, He's so sweet, right, Yes, he's.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like the kind of guy you want your daughter to Mary.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
And when he talks, he smiles while he's talking, and
he's like, uh, like he's got this perpetual smile and
we're not used to that, Tamera, So where do I go?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
No, he was very quiet most of the time until
we did the graveyard with the lights and then he
really sparked up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, he came out of his shell for sure. I'm
I think the main thing that I want to know
when he comes on is the quiet ones are the
ones you got to watch out for. I have found
this to be true on a lot of reality TV
shows that I've made he so very obviously was a
faithful like. It seemed like that was no one was
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going to make that guy a trader. But after watching him,
especially at that the light challenge where he like figured
out the puzzle and then he was just like bird
dogging on Dan, I do think that there's a world
which he'd be a really good trader, And I wonder
if he would ever like entertain that idea on a
future season.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think he would make an amazing trader. Yeah, because
he's so smart and he's underestimated.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, this is a very sad
episode and we need to eulogize here. I think, yeah,
All should have worn all black. This was the episode
that are our dear host of the show, Tamer Judge
was murdered in the middle of the night, and I
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just we got to start with what happened? Did you
just come in when it happened? Did you know what
was going to be written on there? Tell us everything?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What does it feel like? How's that hit in your stomach?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Okay, so, first of all, I did not see it coming.
I was laying low under the radar, had never had
a finger pointed at me, never had my name written down.
I had been sick, I had just started to feel better.
I was excited to start the game. And that next
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morning we go into the room and it's the room
that they hold you before into their separate rooms before
you go into breakfast.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Very excited about my outfit. Even go in this room
and I'm with you who I think Trashelle was with me,
maybe CT But it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Was the room that I was in when Johnny Bananas
got murdered. So they don't tell you right there you're
getting murdered, but they say, single you out, Okay, Tamra,
let's go. And I turned around and I looked at everybody, go,
I'm getting murdered.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Ah, I knew. I just knew.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's the room that's closest you have to walk through
the courtyard. You go in that room where there's a
chair and the letters on the chair, and sure enough,
And it was bittersweet because.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I had been so sick. I missed home. Although I
was feeling better.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I ended up in the hospital when I got home
with a very serious condition with tubs down my nose.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The medication that.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
They put me on was extremely strong, and I have
intestinal issues and I've had intestinal surgery before, so I
have a lot of scar tissue in my intestine, so
be very careful taking medication or anything like that. So
the medication they gave me put inflammation in my intestines,
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and the last few days I was getting these pains
in between my rib cage and I'm like, God, what, Like,
I'm not a person that gets heartburn or anything like that,
so I'm like, I don't know what this is. They
kept giving me medication like acid, medicaid whatever. By the
time I got home, I was so sick and my
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husband's like, you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Second day, he's like, I'm taking you to the hospital.
I get there and they're like, we're admitting you. You
have an intestinal blockage.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh my god, that's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, And so they put the tube down my nose
into my intestine and we're sucking everything out. And I
was there for I can't remember three or four days
and then I went home.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
But so it was good. It was because I would
have probably died there.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, it was time to come home.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah. I have questions that are like logistical ones because
I wasn't murdered. I was banished, so I never got
to experience this thing.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Oh okay, you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Know when you watch the show, the kind of like
timeline and implication is is that you leave, you leave
the round table, you go to bed, but really you
get into a car and you drive back to a
different hotel already five minutes away. But the timeline is
supposed to be that, like right before you go to bed,
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you walk into this room where you find this letter.
But what's really happening is everyone goes back to breakfast
the next day, they single you out, and they pretend
like it's nighttime, but really it's the next day.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So my question is did they ask you to bring
a set of clothes that you were wearing the day before?
So continuity wise, it made sense.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No, And I actually have not noticed that.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I thought when I watch it, it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Happens that morning.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oh really, that's how I when I see it, because
I'm in a totally different outfit. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But no, what they what I did have to do?
So what happens?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You go in there, you read the letter da da,
Then they say, okay, like pack up, let's go.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
You're going back to the hotel. We're going to get
you the hotel. We're gonna check you out of the hotel.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And then at five o'clock, now this is early in
the morning that you get murdered. Five o'clock, we're going
to drive you back to the castle. And mind you,
forty five minutes to an hour each way. So I
drove there, drove back, sat in my hotel room. I
actually talked them into letting.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Me stay in the hotel. I go, just let me stay.
I'm not going to leave the hotel. Just let me stay.
And I don't even know why they do that.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Why were they bringing you back?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
They brought wanted to bring me back to do b roll.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Okay, so listen to this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I had to go back put on my original outfit
from day one, when you have to wear for three days.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Anyways, right, yeah, I know it what it back on.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
And then they had me bring pajamas and they did
just some a b roll of me in the castle.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And then you know, I had to be very careful
because they had to be out on.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
A mission when I was doing this, so nobody saw me.
And then then I had to do some stuff in
the bedroom in pajamas and it was just crazy. And
then after that you get in a car and you
go do press.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah what they ask you who you think the traders are, right,
and then you say who you think it is, and
then they reveal it to you.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, it's through.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I think it's like they air it on Peacock or something.
I can't remember because I never watched the interviews.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So they take you and it's the best day of your.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Life after you get murdered, because it's at a hotel,
a very old hotel, and you get to drink.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
They serve you drinks right there. There's a bar there,
you know, because it's for so free you feel for
so long.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
You're back and forth Hotel Castle, Hotel Castle, and after
that you're like, oh my god, a change of scenery.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Thank god, nice shower.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And then what.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
People don't know too, is like after each night at
the castle, drive home. The driver pulls over to the
side of the road. He gives you a mask and
a black blanket to put over your head. You drive
five yeah, you drive five more minutes, and they cover.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You as you go into the hotel. I mean, it's
so crazy. All the things they do.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They really have all everything. They dot their eyes and
cross their t's on this show. Production is no joke.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I still don't understand why after you get murdered or
did they do this when you got banished, they moved
you out of a hotel into a different one.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, into the nice one by the golf course.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh it's nice, great, Yeah, But the thing is is
like the hotel that we stay in is in the
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Of the airport, the airport. Yeah, that hotel sucked.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
It. Well, yeah, I would rather have them do it
at the other way.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Put us in the nice hotel, and then the day
that we get murdered, put.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Us in the hotel.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah right, we just walk her happy.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Little asses, sorry little asses over and get on the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wait so.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Long from the time you're murdered do you get on
the plane?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Mine was pretty cold, Mine was pretty quick. So luckily
there was a flight the next morning, really early, so
I literally twenty four hours. However, Marcus was still there
when I was there stop.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I guess it depends on what the flight because they
got to get that flight that day. And if there's
no flights available, then you're screwed. You have to stay
in extra couple days, which wouldn't have been bad had
I not been sick, and I could have explored Scotland
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
No, you can't, and I can tell you. I can
tell you why because I tried to do it and
they didn't let me. Yeah, why you are when I
was when they were negotiating me to come do the
show because I didn't think I was gonna be able
to do it because my other show usually films then,
and they were like, well, if it doesn't, we'd love
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you to come, and I said, okay, that's great, but
no matter what happens, I would like to go afterwards,
rent a car and drive around Scotland and play golf
and see the Sights Center be in Scotland. And they
were like, yeah, sure, just sign the contractor we're fine whatever,
and I'm like okay. So then when I got vanished,
they were like, okay, you're flying home tomorrow and I
was like, oh, no, I need to see someone to
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take me to the airport, so and go around a car.
I'm gonna go drive around and play golf and they're like, no,
you're not allowed to do that, and I was like,
it was part of the deal, and they're.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Like, why, what's the reason responsibility.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Insurance wise because we are no longer part of the production,
so we And I was like, you guys really should
have told me this beforehand, because I was literally in.
I was The flight to Inverness was longer than the
time I spent in inverses.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Right, Oh my god, that is so funny and so true.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So when you get banished, it's that nighttime when do
you go home?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Because you have to do press, so you're there longer.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah. I did press like the entire day. The next
day I had b roll stuff, and then I was
out like the next the day after that, I was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh so you stayed longer than me.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I feel it would be hard to stay after you're
banished or murdered, because it's like, all right, why why
do I have to do this?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm done?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Why do I have to do this extra work? It's
extra work, and then it's over, so.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You're like done. You're like I'm over this now, let
me go.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Real quick. I'm so sorry that you were murdered. Doesn't
seem right, but maybe just maybe they'll have you back again,
and maybe all three of us will go back again.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And that will love nothing more of what I love.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Maybe they'll just send us and we can interview people.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, I want to be Kate. I want to come
in in the middle of it and be like, what's
going on. I'm obviously not trying to know, no idea
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Let's act like we don't want to be there like
Kate does, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
The last is to go yeah, yeah, crazy like a fox. Anyways,
let's rip through this episode really quickly. If Brian Burrie,
you know, it starts out with uh, Phedra furious with poverty.
You know, Parvety kind of kind of buckles pretty quickly
and apologizes, and you know, Fhaeder kind of accepts, but
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like I feel like doesn't trust her at all.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Done.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Oh and it looks could kill Parverty would have been
murdered by Faedria.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Well, first of all, like she groveled. She's like, oh,
how can I make it up to you? I'm so
so like just groveled. But she like should only know
that it was only a matter of time before Phaedra
got her back for that. Because Housewives don't let things go.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
M Now, I think it's funny that the murder was
between me and Sandra.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, why Sandra?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Why you?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I think she had to get rid of a housewife
to get rid of that stigma that you know, the
housewives stick together.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, it was Phaedria's saving her ass. That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And I don't know how many housewives were left at
that point, Me, Chary Charay and.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That's it right, Well Bravo MJ. It would have been.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And if you wanted to say housewives are Bravo housewives.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
So it's between me and Charray and she's really she's
close with Charay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So oh well, why do you think production wise they
brought Kate back? Is it because that one guy left
kind of in the middle of it and the numbers
needed to be.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yes, yes, I think so. I did not hear that,
but that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But why Kate?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Because Kate's good TV?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
They found her funny, they like surprises, they like things,
they like funny, they like sad, they like it all
the top.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah yeah, and she's over the top and you never
know it's going to come out of her mouth and
they need those sound bites.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, so she was. She was perfect for that.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
At the roundtable, you know, Kate gets revealed that she's there,
and then we kind of get into like what's going on.
You know, we've we everyone's been getting annoyed that Dan
doesn't really contribute anything. He never really has a theory,
and everyone's kind of seeing it's a red flag that
Janelle adds that every time she asked Dan for a name,
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he gives her nothing. But then Dan thinks, now Janelle
is a trader, and he's able to convince everyone to
banish Janelle. Was just shocking to me because I feel
like it's so very obvious that it's Dan not a
smart move, right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I don't know what he was all bad?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
His whole performance was cringe worthy.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, I agree. And then obviously this is the episode
that Peter, you know, sets his trap, which really really
smart but also like really really risky.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was just going to say that, would.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You do that?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I tried to do it on RC?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Is it actually from watching?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Did you like echo what he did or was that
your own idea that you came up with at the time.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I was kind of echoing what he did, so I
was convinced during our season that Robin Sam and Bob
the Drag Queen were traders.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Well you were right about one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And I was convinced that they were going to murder me.
And so when we did that challenge, I was the
one who like got West down and I told Wes.
I was like, I'm only putting my coins in yours
in your thing because I need your shield. And after
the thing we got we get him down, Wes told
me he was going to give me the shield. And
then I pulled I in aside and I said, I'm
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I'm going to have the shield tonight, but I'm I'm
going to but I want you to say that you
got it.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well it's a win win because you're giving someone else
the shield by having them say it right, basically, you
really have it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And I thought for sure that they were going to
try to kill me because I was onto one of
them and and it it didn't matter because then I
went to the roundtable and that's when they got rid
of me. They got rid of me before I was
able to enact. This plan never made air, but I
did get I was in that little kitchen and the silo. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Anyways, well it was a good idea.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I tried.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
You know, it worked, but after I worked, don't you
think some eyes were on him?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's you know, the game's not real, right, like it's
not real life. But he he does play it very
holier than thou, which I could see being a turnoff
to a lot of players. Yes, Dan attempted to murder Burgie,
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but unbeknownst to them, Burge had the shield because of
the trap that that Peter sets. So everyone shows up
and you're just watching Dan's reaction and it just seems like, oh,
and I gotta say, I love that you're coming in
and being like we got it, you know, like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
So and Poverty was so nervous too, both of them.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
It was funny that Peter was able to really tell
by their expressions who was who because it was between CT, Poverty,
and Dan. And He's like, I knew right away by
CT's response. I knew CT by the way he responded.
So I think, if I'm going to go back again
and I want to see CT's response and see what
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it was like again, spend a little more time on it,
because because.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Whatever it was worked, Yeah, maybe just came across as
like authentic and real, whereas everyone else is like, what
what you told me? I didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Well, you know, it was funny when Dan's Adam z
apple when he was swallowing really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Hard and it kept going up and down, the hard swallow.
It was the hard swallow that got me.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, we got to talk about you know, Dan's big
moment to like make a big move and kind of
throw Phedra under the bus during the roundtable.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like that cost him the game.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, and like but like by show of hands, what
do you think? And like who's the one who did
this thing?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And so when do you think he like went to
bed that night it was like okay.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Oh yeah, I got this, but he pulled he pulled
it on the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm not saying poverty couldn't have talked.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Her way out of it, But why go after faith attorney,
the housewife attorney, queen of of doing this for a living,
living through ten lives of this and you go after her.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's where he screwed up. Wrong one to pick.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, but he has to pick a trader right, because
he has to be right to then prove that he
is not in fact a trader because.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He tried, so he had the choice of two.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was Yeah, I agree, And
I wonder why he thought it was the smarter play
to go Phaedra instead of poverty. Poverty him thank him.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Maybe he liked poverty better.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Yeah, I think he liked He thought he could work
better with poverty moving forward, and he thought I think
he thought long term, if he wound up at the tour,
it would be easier to get rid of Phaedra.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I mean, not easier, but he would have been better off.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
He could have handled poverty long term and trying to
get rid of Phaedra while he could.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, he rolled the dice. He lost, That's it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
He should have just he was going to get banished
no matter what. Like the right of the wall, he
shouldn't have tried to take down one of his own.
And if I'm if I'm a faithful the one person
that I don't think is a trader is Faedra. And
then he does that, and now I'm like, okay, I
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know exactly who the traders are. He tried to kill
another trader, and we're pretty sure it's also parvety like
now it's all over, which is why Alan shows up
in the turret and is like, so you.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Need to fix those he is screwed up. Yeah, well
that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Now, nobody figure gives up the Traders more than the trader.
No one figures it out before they start to turn
on each other easier, you know what I'm saying. Like
when Boston Rob on our show and Bob the drag
Queen went at it, that was the first kind of
idea of Trader on Trader.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah yeah, And this was the first time ride a
Trader went after a Trader on this episode.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So, I mean other than parvty kind
of like trying to drop a little hint here and there,
but no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, this was Trader on Trader and it was so good.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Why do you think they decided to try to recruit
the one guy who I think would probably say no in.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Peter because he was gaining a lot of traction. People
were listening to him. He was smart, had it figured out.
He's the one that called the shots on the whole
shield thing, even though it looked like it was just him,
his idea.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But it was everybody together.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Did he have the option to say yes or no?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, he did okay, and he turns it down and
then I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah,
and then he tells everyone what happened. You know, you know,
hindsight is twenty twenty. But looking back, if he had
accepted it, I think there's a very very real chance
that the Traders win this season, right, Like he could
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have continued have pretended to be like holier than thou
and ran the table with poverty to the end.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Did he have the letter, Like I would keep that
letter and be like here, look, yeah, just approve I'm
a faithful But.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It doesn't It doesn't prove that you are. You aren't
because you're not writing yes or no. You're just if you.
If you, then you go to the tour, and if
you don't, you if you decide no, you don't go.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Because look at season one when when Christian said, I.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Was asked but I turned it down, and then they
were like yeah, yeah, right sure.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
So even saying it, you're taking a chance because season
one he said it and he was a Trader.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't know. I just don't think that if I
was in their shoes, I would have tried to get
Peter because I as if I'm a trader. I want numbers,
and that's the one person I think that will probably
say no, it doesn't help help my cause in terms
of number or even like a shield for someone else
to get banished before I am. If I want to
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get to the end of the game, fields annoy me
like I think, like CT would have been a good
choice for that. I think is a gamer room.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Been like yes, oh yeah, it's been a great one.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Anyways, it was a fun episode, even though it started
off a tragedy with them getting rid of the best
person on the show and tam or Judge. Yeah, I'm
very sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Worth watching anymore, I know, damn to day who cares?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, we're done. When we come back on by order
of the Faithfuls, we are going to have a guy
who was a lynch pin in the show. He figured
out with pilot Pete who the traders were. Burglar Shifts
will be here. We'll see you there.
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