October 24, 2025 • 36 mins
As we’re nearing the end of this season, Dolores and Wells are noticing the traitors’ downfall. Is trying to recruit the most faithful person in the game a smart move or dumb mistake?
What’s the one flaw we see the traitors make every single season? How would we play the game if the traitors’ tried to recruit us? Who are we rooting for at this point?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All, Hi, welcome into another episode of By Order of
the Faithfuls. I'm wells alongside Dolores. Where's Tamra.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh, she has some house stuff to tend to today,
so we're gonna miss her.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm excited about today's episode because these two episodes seven
and eight are very, very fun. In season two of
Us Traders, we're back in the turret, Poverty and Phaedra
are waiting for Peter to join them. Did you ever
think that Peter, the Lord of the Faithfuls was ever
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going to join the Traders?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I knew when I was there not to talk about me,
but I said, I made it very clear at every
time I could to say, do not try to recruit me.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I will not come.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, So I am.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Surprised he turned it down, because even the best of
people don't.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So it's interesting to watch how he's moving through the house,
right because he is kind of holier than that and
won't accept this whole offer from the Traders. But then
you know, a couple of minutes later, he's like making
deals with Poverty that seemed like backdoor deals, and then
(01:22):
it's like, okay, well, you can be kind of shady
I guess. So I'm as confused as to as to
Peter's motivation.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I feel that he wanted to play m hm
and but he he could not look the people. I
think his main thing was not being able to look
the people in the face that he became close with
and lied to them.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A backdoor deal. It's not so I feel like it's
not so.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Visceral, Like it's kind of uh making, I'm making moves
for everybody here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know, are you surprised that he didn't say anything
at breakfast the next day when you know, it was
obvious that no one was murdered, so someone was probably recruited.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, that was the smart move. Yeah, what he did
was this was the smarter thing to do. He took
his what do they call him, the Peter Gang or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The Peter Pounds, the Peter Pals.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, and he kept it in house, which is which
is probably the best thing to do.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, the Peter Palace. They get together for a quick
meeting when he tells them about the invitation. During the meeting,
Faeder at MJ Bow try to walk in the room,
but Peter asked them to leave. I feel like this
was a big mistake for him. He's starting to make
draw lines in the sand and kind of make enemies
with other people who aren't technically his enemy.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right, which is which puts them on the chopping block. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So it was funny because I don't know if you
saw it at the time, wells, I don't know if
you're an Instagram junkie like the rest of us social
media scrolling all day, but there was a meme of
MJ walking backwards very slowly.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like the Homer into the bushes.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was kind of funny.
She's so cute.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But you know, I think that when it gets to
this point in the game, you have no choice to
put to do things a certain way that you would
have done differently in the beginning when there were so
many people. Yeah, you're kind of like forced to make
the decisions of keeping it in it close and it's
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already obvious you have nothing to lose by doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, in this season when I went on the show,
I didn't make it very far, but one of my
thoughts was, is I'm gonna try to figure out who
Trader is and then I'm going to try to be
friends with them so I can be shielded by them
for a while. We'll smart before I, you know, before
I try to get rid of them. Where it doesn't
seem like that's the case with this one, Like it
seems like everyone's kind of got everyone's number right, Like
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everyone's like everyone's on Phedra and everyone is on Parvity
except for Sandra, who is convinced Peter's a trader. And
I can understand Peter being annoying, Like it does seem
like everyone's annoyed by him and like him being the ringleader,
but he never screams to me trader.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, he doesn't. And did you happen to notice?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Going back to when he was letting the Peter Pals
know that he turned down the invitation, John had a
lot of doubt in his mind, Like John was like,
oh you didn't. Yeah, Like, yeah, right, you turned it down.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, it almost put a target on him with the
pals now they're they're questioning him.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, but it didn't matter because didn't John Wasn't John
the one who lit his flame later on in the episode,
so he was able to flip him. I don't know,
I think that you. I think the Traders did something
smart and something stupid. I don't think they should have
ever tried to recruit Peter because you need numbers in
that situation, like they are now at a disadvantage if you,
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if you, if you don't say yes to that, right.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was a major, major.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Mistake, major mistake. But then also it's smart because it
makes someone have to make a decision that is, no
matter what, going to look shady, right like, if he
doesn't say anything that's shady, if he does say something
that's shady, right like, Uh, there's a really kind of
no way to win. It's it's a little bit of
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a kiss of death. I was thinking, and I don't know,
I felt bad they painted him into a corner, and
once that happened, now I was thinking, he's not long
for this world.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right, No he's not. But the way he was playing,
he wasn't going to win anyway. Yeah, you can't go
after the Traders the way he did and exclude other
people because now you're making enemies, you're not making friends.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I feel like it's it's not a playing for
the long game.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, it's it's really not like he is. He's now
gotten to a point where he's just trying to make
it day by day, you know, instead of have made
like he really probably should have been like poverty. I
know you're a trader, but I am. You know, I
want to make an alliance with you to get to
get further. But regardless, he played the way he wanted
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to play.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You can never make a deal with a trader no
matter what, even in real life.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, they're gonna They're going to stab you in the back,
even if it kills them, because that's their nature. They
stab each other in the back too, They stab each other.
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like I do feel like these first two seasons and
then our season, the big Achilles heel on the traders
is that they don't stay unified together. They start throwing
each other under the bus. And the second you do that,
it gets really really messy. I mean the fact that
Dan called Fader, I mean, this is getting a little
put in the cart before the horse. But like him
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doing that made it very very obvious that Fadra is
a trader because he wanted to banish someone that would
absolve him of his sins, right, right, So it was
almost just like you should have never done that. If
you guys are a united front, you have numbers with
three people already you know, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
The people that you get to trust you, right.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, So the game kind of like, I feel like
it plays itself out because you can't control the events
that happen every day. That kind of can put you
under a glass. So things start to fall in place
you can't plan for it. I think the biggest mistake
is walking in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
With a strategy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like I didn't you walk in with a strategy,
and then when something there's too many moving parts it's
like a mental chess game. And then when something doesn't
go the way you expected it to go, you stand
there like, now just screwed myself totally.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So yeah, it's a risk. Every day is a risk.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The mission that they do in episode seven looks like
it sucks. I mean it's like running through the forest,
running into like open water that's like covered with leaves.
Right the bad Peter and Traschelle they think that they're
gonna be the ones that get all the money, but
they get the first question wrong, sending Peter into a
pool of mud. Bergie meets the same fate, which is
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very funny. More than half the players get to the
next two get the next next two questions wrong, which
sends them flying into the air in a giant net, which.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Like a big cocoon.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Do you think that that really happened or do you
think that those are stunt doubles? Back in the castle,
Peter finds out he's in the shopping block or are
you surprised that Heath was surprised that he was on
the shopping block?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yes, that I am surprised, but I'm like, bro, what
did you expect?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you're also just dividing people when you don't allow
people to come, like and then you know what they do.
What Sandra does, being like we got to look at
the numbers is so smart, right, Like, if you are
on the outside looking in, you're thinking, well, if I'm
not part of the Peter Palace and I'm going to be,
I'm going to be murdered or I'm gona be banished
(09:33):
at some point, right, So we need to figure out
how to get numbers. And him sending people away when
they come try to join, when when they're not poverty
and when they're not Phedra. It just seems like he's
signing his own death warrant. I feel like, and so
him surprised surprised me.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Right, well, I think you know, like I said, there
wasn't a lot of different things he could have done
in that time because he's really just trying to survive,
and the less people he trusted, the better off he
was to tell them something.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And even in that, you don't know who to trust
at this point. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, it was expected that he was going to
go anyway. It was like coming closed. But you know,
Sandra was in the military. I believe she was in
the army. Yeah, and I don't think she played like
she she hung in there, but she didn't get a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Of things right.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
No, I was thinking that this entire episode, these two
episodes of like you're so wrong on like every account,
I think. But I also wonder if sometimes you can
just be like I'm just trying to get to the
end and then I'll figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like I think myself, Yeah, that's how I won, by
the way, That's exactly how I won.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, and same with ct ct is Well, I think
he's smarter than he's letting off. But he's just like,
I'm just trying to get to the end and then
I will figure everything out, which I think Sandra's kind
of doing a little bit. You know. This is like
we are in like the Peter Powell's world in these
two episodes, Peter pulling Parverty and Phaedra aside. I will
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say that I do think that Faedra does have a
tell with the eye twitch or whatnot. But I do
think her instincts are very very smart and right. When
when Peter asks them kind of both to work together
with him, Phaedra immediately is like, I'm getting out of
here and she can use that later, which she does. Yeah,
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really smart.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That is No one ever could say Phaeder's anybody's fool.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, she is so smart. I know that was that
was She didn't even have to think about it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She made a good decision on the fly.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
She's quick, She's very good. I wonder if this was
a production faux paw and like a tipping of the hand.
Then Alan tells the players he has a surprise for
them in the woods. They're driven in the forest where
they meet Alan. He tells him that no one will
be banished tonight. Instead, they'll have the power to save
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someone from being murdered by the traders. Okay. So the
reason why I bring this up is it's if you're
not banishing someone, right, you're just taking people for murder.
That means the numbers aren't right for the traders, and
that is okay. Then whoever they tried to recruit didn't
say yes, because if they had said yes, I have
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a feeling that they would have had a banishment that night.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I agree, Yeah, I definitely agree. But you think by now, well, yeah,
because the Peter Palace didn't repeat it to anybody else, right,
they kept it amongst themselves, They kept it in house.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They were good.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah. I do wonder if Peter had told everybody and
they were like, okay, that's sus. But then when went
and did this with Alan, he would have been like, see,
the reason why we're doing this is because I didn't
accept their thing, and then that kind of absolves them.
I'm not really sure. Sometimes I think I overanalyze and
I get to like produce orial when I watched the show,
but that was like the one thing that I saw.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
This is not a produced show, as you know at all.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They the producers never get involved, and that's not an
easy show to produce. Like you see, even like you
being a producer, like you want to, you may have
said something or did something to change they do not.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It must be hard. I mean you're a producer.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tell me, do you think it's hard for the producers
that are there not to get involved while they're watching?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, I just legally they're not allowed to because money's online.
But I think it's it's really really hard, especially if
you can see a storyline that's like so very obviously
going to make good TV and it diverse away from it.
I imagine for them that must be so painful. Like the
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big example that I always give, and I remember when
I was having the conversations with the producers, I was like,
the fact that you got rid of Johnny banana Is
in the first episode is bonkers because I know he
makes good TV and like he's annoying to be around,
but he like is an amazing television maker. And they
were like, you don't understand, you know, like ripping our
hair out, Like we didn't know. But it's a testament
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to them that they're making a show that like is
just living in reality things are happening the way they're happening.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And it's working because the show is so beloved.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, and it gets more people get more into it
every year.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Totally. Are you surprised that CT didn't save Trischelle and
save John instead, and are you surprised that Trischelle was
so upset by it?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I think Trishelle is an emotional person anyway, and I
am surprised that he didn't pick Trischelle and he picked John.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I understand that she was upset.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
She should have been because she was begging for that shield,
like literally begging for it. She was like, guys, please,
And as a friend, it's the same reason Sharie picked
Phedra because when it comes down to that, it comes
down to who you have a relationship. Why would you
just save somebody who don't really have a relationship with
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So it was weird. I don't even know why CT
picked John, and he even said in his interview it
wasn't personal. But she was like crying her heart out
to him. She's like, but why because he's smarter? Like
she was really really sincerely hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, but also she's very good at this stuff. There
was a part of me that wonders. I think, I
think that two things will be true at the same time.
I think that she probably was hurt. They are friends,
they've been trying to like reh you know, men the
fences of their relationships. You know, she would have done
it for him, so she thought he would do it
for her. But then I also think that there is
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value in being upset with CT, right, like there's there's
equity in sympathy, right, and so go I think if
that happens, you do need to make that play to him,
to be like, you really broke my heart and down
the line, oh can't do that again, wells, which is
not to not to put the cart before the horse,
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but that's kind of what ends up happening at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But wells, Okay, you're a nice guy, and that doesn't
work with every guy.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I just want to let you know, like you are
a human man. There are some some human men that
that would not work on. Okay. I happen to know
a few from where I come from.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, just say it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah you're really given your your you're people a lot
of credit.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There were just simple men, all right. So only four
players were up for murder last night, Bergie, Kate, MJ
and Trichelle. Bergie is the one that goes down, uh poverty.
Wanted to kill Peter, but obviously you can't because Peter's
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been saved. Bergie is the next option. I feel bad
for Bergie, our little like we had on the show
last week. He's so nice, like he's playing such a
good game.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
He's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He was so he made it further than I thought
he would, be honest with him.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He did the same thing on Love Island. I remember
when when we were there, when Sarah was there filming it.
We were like, I'm amazed this guy still on this show.
So he's he always I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He's underestimated, right, but but he he he goes on
because he's quiet and he flies under the radar.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
He's a little underestimated. He's no dummy.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He's really nice. You can't like dislike the guy in
for any way at all. He's just even smiles when
he's talking. He's just sweet.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He's a sweet guy. I was sad to see him go,
but I guess, you know, such as.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Someone must in the words of Faedra, someone must die.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Someone's got to die. Trachelle is bloodhounding on Phaedra after
Dan throwing another trader under the bus. He's right, though,
She's so right.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
There's no easier way to figure out a trader by
the by the clues another trader will give you about
the other person.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
She convinces Peter to also go along this and take
Phaedra out. And I think if things had worked out
the way that they originally wanted, I think the show
would have had to have ended an episode early because
I think would have been over really, I do like
I think so the way that the numbers work, right, like,
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if you take Faedra out, then you can probably even
though there are some people that aren't in the Peter Pals,
you can still get Poverty out next, and then there
are no more traders, and then it's just going to
be the traders taken out of their traders before the
end of it. But I don't know if it would
have been possible. I don't even know if there would
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have been enough time for them to recruit someone else
with it all falling apart.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, that hasn't happened yet now because because them getting
rid of Prvety instead of Faedra.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Fadri still has the everyone thought that Parvety was a trader,
right like it so if they could have saved you
out because now Faedra is a number to go against
somebody else. I I That's just was my thought is that,
like they were so close to being so perfect and
then it kind of fell apart there because a lot
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of people didn't want to jump on the Phaedra bandwagon.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right because she was well liked.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And that goes to her telling Poverty, you are a
nice queen. You need to work people. You need to
be nicer to people. But guess why it's too late? Yeah,
because now then they always look to see for patterns,
like why did you change Stay a nice queen if
you're a bitch, stay a bitch. I understand that, like
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because if you know she's under the glass, and I
don't think changing her attitude in this stage.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Of the game is going to help her at well.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think Faedra was trying to tell her, you get
more beauties with honey, Like the.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Nicer you are, less people will vote for you. Somebody's
going to vote for you eventually.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean it is like it's her face and it's
hard to change someone's face, but like that kind of
like squinty glare with like the duck lips thing is great.
But I think more so than that is her. She
kind of has a condescending tone and a vitriol and
hatred for Peter that comes across as Trader hating a
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faithful that she can't seem to get out.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know, she wants him out of her castle.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, very very true. The mission that they do
is the one that I would never do. I would say, guys,
I'm so sorry, but twenty thousand dollars isn't enough for me.
I'm not having bugs drop down in my shirt and stuff.
I know you guys did this. I guess me. You
didn't do it. You don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
No, because Chrishelle. The first thing she said when we
got there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Was I don't do bugs.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, And I said, I don't do close spaces. So
I chose, we chose each other to be partners, and
we go and it didn't last two seconds. She pulled
before they even walked up to us. She pulled her
hand away. And once you do that, it's over. Yeah,
So we'll talk more about that when that comes. So
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people were like oh, you picked the worst partner. No,
I picked the best partner.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Absolutely. Yeah, you guys had a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
She didn't tell me she was gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And it's funny because when it airs, she called me
and she's like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, and I
was up for murder because I was the last housewife standing.
And I was like, honestly, Chrishlle, you were the best
partner ever.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh and the smell of the bugs so bad. It
smell like a dirty diaper.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh oh see, not doing that. The only one to
kind of get through is CT finds the last piece
of gold. They found fifteen thousand dollars worth of gold
but lost four thousand. Dude to the quitters. Very funny
that he pulled the gold out of his pants and said,
I had an anaconda and they are also a piece
of gold. I appreciated that comment. A good dick joke
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goes a long way with me.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, you think that's fine? I mean, I guess,
I guess we've heard too many of them.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So yeah, all right, So this is kind of the
the climax of the climax of the two episodes. It's
time for the roundtable poverty. Starts off by telling the
group that she's been a brick wall because she's constantly
under a attack. She blames her friendship with Dan for
how she's being perceived, and it's like, yeah, of course
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you good call though, Yeah, she's in a tough spot,
Like I don't even know how you can argue this
at this.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Point, No you can't. And she came up with a
good one. I'm impressed. Yeah she's sharp, she's no slouch.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah. Trachelle's like, yeah, I don't care. I want to
talk about Faitra and she you know, it's it's I
can see the edit when I was watching it, she
was like, I'm gonna start with like the least some
salacious stuff and then kind of like give you my
like big reasons at the end, and they really only
gave two. I have a feeling she had three or
four or five that she had, like in the Chamber
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against Phaedia, but they only showed two. The eye twitch
is something that I have noticed. I'm not sure if
you noticed it when you've been watching.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Her big thing is that when anytime they're talking about
traders or like who the traders are, that that Fadria
kind of kind of does like one eye twitch like that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Wow, that's interesting. I can't get past the lashes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, and that's like I think the argument is, like
I'm surprised she wasn't like child, I've got giant lash,
you know, like that's what's happening. But she just got
kind of got the defensive of it. John says, ParvE
could be. This is this is when when John really shines.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
All right, yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, he starts using alliteration and you know, sing song.
He goes like full William Shakespeare and calls poverty the
Duchess of deception.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And when she thought she was playing him right from
the beginning, crying to him, he never fell for her.
Oh ah, you know, John, something tells me you've fallen
for a few in your.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Day, and now you know one when you see one.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I'm sure he's two.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Schooled on that. It is not his first time.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, he's known a few ice queens in his days.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He's known a.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Few wise queens and he has Yeah, he's seen that
person a couple of times in his life, so he
recognized it right away. If you'll go back to the
beginning when she's crying I'm a single mother, and he's like, oh,
poor thing. And then he walks away and he's like, yeah, right, yeah,
the last one time I fell for that cross my pension.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. Phaeder reveals that Peter asked her in poverty to
work with him, and I thought this was good on
Phaedro's part, try to get some of the stank off her.
Peter says he was being cocky and joking around, which
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I thought was a weird way to explain that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Right, I agree, and there was a better way to
do that.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, And then you know, I love Kate one. I
love how she makes TV and it's just like so entertaining.
But she's been right about a lot of stuff, especially
in the first season. But her questioning Peter's sudden switch,
I was like, oh, okay, Like, I don't know why
you're going after him, And I could be wrong, but
I think it has more to do with Kate is
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annoyed by Peter.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So Kate gets annoyed by a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, and then they get on her nurse and she
just wants them to go. Whether it's whether they're a
trader or not, she just wants to not see them
anymore because she don't even want.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah. So yeah, all right, so finally everyone votes. This
one's actually a pretty good vote. There are seven for poverty,
there are four votes for Phedra. But it kind of
comes down to CT and Parvey's banished and reveals that
of course she is. It's like no one was surprised
that she was a trader.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and then we go to you know, like the
post round table. They all get drinks, which I wish
we got conversation where Peter where Kevin starts saying that
he doesn't feel good about Peter changing his mind about
poverty last minute.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I agree. I can totally see that being weird
and annoying.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because he was so hung up on it. Yeah, you know,
and that's sketchy. That's really sketch. And that's on the
heels of him telling them he got recruited and turned
it down. Yeah, that's a big red flag. I'm sorry,
that would make me not trust him either.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You're right, you're right, big mistake. Peter pulls Kate, which
seems like a fool's errand like, I'm not sure if
you're going to convince Kate of anything really, but that
he's now.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
No one ever has not on TV or off TV.
She's dangerous. She's one of my dearest friends. I love her.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But Kate marches to the beat of her own drum.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you know, Peter tells her that, you know, he's
going to vote out parby the next roundtable. But you know,
Kate's just not buying it. So we're down to one trader.
Phedro walks in the turret alone tonight. Obviously she has
to recruit someone or they're just going to run out
of numbers because it's obvious that everyone's on her. If
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they don't accept their offer, they will be murdered. So
this is the way the show said, as we're not
doing this like you get to choose anymore. It's either
you accept or you go home.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right. I guess they changed that, Yeah, I don't. I
think like.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Peter made case law. Pilot Pede over there, he made
case law. He said.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They were like, whoa, we didn't expect this.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
He threw a curve ball to them, so they had
to come up with, yeah, something to make that not
be able to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I was thinking about this, you know, for our season.
My thought was that the Traders played a really bad game,
and that was the kind of why I got kicked out,
was me saying, like I thought that one of their
murders was stupid. I'm wondering what you think this season is.
Do you think this is a season of really good
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Faithfuls or a season of really bad Traders, because it
seems like we've got a couple episodes left and it
seems like the Faithfuls they know who the bad guys
are right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I don't think that the Traders were bad at all.
I think they were very strategic. I think they're inherently smart.
Phaedra was is brilliant. Yeah, I mean, look at look
at who the Traders are. They're two brilliant, witty. I mean,
poverty got someone to drink out of a rusty cup
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and killed someone. Not everybody could have done that, right
So I think the Traders were spot on amazing. Dan
not so much, but rightfully so got taken out.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
So I think this is.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
A very good group of Trader I mean Faithfuls.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I think had.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I think the show would have went a lot differently
if there were less smart Faithfuls.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I want to say I'm impressed with this season's Faithful.
They all seem like very cerebral and very organized almost
And I do think that things that have been so
much different if Dan had gone about things differently. I
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think that he was one of the reasons why everything
is kind of tumbling around the Traders, especially with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A lot of the residuals of what he did. The
mistakes he made in the game are the demise of
the Traders down the road. So I just want to
say that he was not a good trader. I don't
think no offense Dan, but the other two were. And listen, uh,
(31:38):
when you're not working alone, things like that happen, right. Yeah,
Paul always says to me, partners are made for dancing. Now,
sometimes it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mean, if you think about it, the reason why
people were really on Poverty is because he was. She
was so close with Dan, And the reason why people
are on Phaedra is because because Dan called her out,
balled her out, and so like the lynchpin for like
taking down this entire thing, much to the delight of
the faithfuls, Phader has to has to recruit somebody. I
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don't know if I think there's a better recruitment option
than Kate.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And this juncture. I'm thinking, no, who in their.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right mind would think that Kate's a trader? You know,
like I, I would never be able to pin that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No One, Yeah, no one, especially someone so not interested
in the like Yeah. Anyway, I think I think all
choices this season were really good.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have to say, I just honestly, I think one
of the big missteps that the Traders made in the
first recruitment is that they should have gone to Kate
instead of going to Peter.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
But then but.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, but see, this is either you join us or
you die and that and and Kate only says yes
because she had no choice.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I know. I'm saying that they should have used they
should have asked Kate instead of Peter. I think things
would have been different for the for the Traders if
they had done that. What how so it would have
given them numbers. I understand both sides. So you know,
if if you can get Peter, then it gets you
to have someone that can manipulate the Peter or yeah, right,
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But if you get Kate, then I do think that
because everyone was so kind of grossed out by Peter
showing people away that they would have been able to
get Sandra, they would have been able to get oh sure, yeah,
And I think that they would have been able to
have the numbers. And with with the the thing of
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no one ever expecting Kate to be a trader. I
don't know, I was just thinking about it was I
think that Poverty was so dead set on something with
Peter that she missed the big picture, which was the
thing is is that we need numbers in the turret.
We don't need to like pull away the one guy
who's trying to kill you. They every day. We need numbers.
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And I think that that was the big miscalculation in
this episode. But who knows. I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's easier. It's easy to say what someone should do
from watching. Yah, don't we know that by now?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Right? It's so hard?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Only a couple episodes left with this season.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Do you remember how the season ends?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I got end.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm going to tell you the truth. I cried a little,
really probably last time I cried. Yeah, I was like
felt a little emotional. No, I felt like emotion mm hmm.
It was bad I was like, Oh, it punched me
in my gut.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, well, we won't spoil it for you guys out
there who might be watching it for the first time
or don't remember it from when it aired. But yeah,
we'll be back again next week to talk more Traders
and Faithfuls. Anything else do you want to talk about
this season before we go? Floris?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
For me, I'm looking forward to the end because I
want to know, like, I just need to talk about it.
It's like therapy for me. I have PTSD from it.
It's like crazy. So yeah, no, I'm I think this
is this was the kick off season where people got
really hooked.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, I was thinking about it, like I like the
first season, but this season is so fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
This solidified like we're onto something here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah. I do believe that the reason why the show
became such a big success in the US was because
of this one.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
For sure, I'd have to say yes, and then next.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Even and then of course then you done our television
screens and.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You too, and the ratings just Scott skyrocketed.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
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two of The Traders.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Bye wells, thank you,
All, Hi, welcome into another episode of By Order of
the Faithfuls. I'm wells alongside Dolores. Where's Tamra.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh, she has some house stuff to tend to today,
so we're gonna miss her.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm excited about today's episode because these two episodes seven
and eight are very, very fun. In season two of
Us Traders, we're back in the turret, Poverty and Phaedra
are waiting for Peter to join them. Did you ever
think that Peter, the Lord of the Faithfuls was ever
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going to join the Traders?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I knew when I was there not to talk about me,
but I said, I made it very clear at every
time I could to say, do not try to recruit me.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I will not come.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, So I am.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Surprised he turned it down, because even the best of
people don't.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So it's interesting to watch how he's moving through the house,
right because he is kind of holier than that and
won't accept this whole offer from the Traders. But then
you know, a couple of minutes later, he's like making
deals with Poverty that seemed like backdoor deals, and then
(01:22):
it's like, okay, well, you can be kind of shady
I guess. So I'm as confused as to as to
Peter's motivation.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So I feel that he wanted to play m hm
and but he he could not look the people. I
think his main thing was not being able to look
the people in the face that he became close with
and lied to them.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
A backdoor deal. It's not so I feel like it's
not so.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Visceral, Like it's kind of uh making, I'm making moves
for everybody here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know, are you surprised that he didn't say anything
at breakfast the next day when you know, it was
obvious that no one was murdered, so someone was probably recruited.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, that was the smart move. Yeah, what he did
was this was the smarter thing to do. He took
his what do they call him, the Peter Gang or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
The Peter Pounds, the Peter Pals.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, and he kept it in house, which is which
is probably the best thing to do.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, the Peter Palace. They get together for a quick
meeting when he tells them about the invitation. During the meeting,
Faeder at MJ Bow try to walk in the room,
but Peter asked them to leave. I feel like this
was a big mistake for him. He's starting to make
draw lines in the sand and kind of make enemies
with other people who aren't technically his enemy.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Right, which is which puts them on the chopping block. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So it was funny because I don't know if you
saw it at the time, wells, I don't know if
you're an Instagram junkie like the rest of us social
media scrolling all day, but there was a meme of
MJ walking backwards very slowly.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like the Homer into the bushes.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was kind of funny.
She's so cute.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But you know, I think that when it gets to
this point in the game, you have no choice to
put to do things a certain way that you would
have done differently in the beginning when there were so
many people. Yeah, you're kind of like forced to make
the decisions of keeping it in it close and it's
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already obvious you have nothing to lose by doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, in this season when I went on the show,
I didn't make it very far, but one of my
thoughts was, is I'm gonna try to figure out who
Trader is and then I'm going to try to be
friends with them so I can be shielded by them
for a while. We'll smart before I, you know, before
I try to get rid of them. Where it doesn't
seem like that's the case with this one, Like it
seems like everyone's kind of got everyone's number right, Like
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everyone's like everyone's on Phedra and everyone is on Parvity
except for Sandra, who is convinced Peter's a trader. And
I can understand Peter being annoying, Like it does seem
like everyone's annoyed by him and like him being the ringleader,
but he never screams to me trader.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
No, he doesn't. And did you happen to notice?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Going back to when he was letting the Peter Pals
know that he turned down the invitation, John had a
lot of doubt in his mind, Like John was like,
oh you didn't. Yeah, Like, yeah, right, you turned it down.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, it almost put a target on him with the
pals now they're they're questioning him.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, but it didn't matter because didn't John Wasn't John
the one who lit his flame later on in the episode,
so he was able to flip him. I don't know,
I think that you. I think the Traders did something
smart and something stupid. I don't think they should have
ever tried to recruit Peter because you need numbers in
that situation, like they are now at a disadvantage if you,
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if you, if you don't say yes to that, right.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It was a major, major.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Mistake, major mistake. But then also it's smart because it
makes someone have to make a decision that is, no
matter what, going to look shady, right like, if he
doesn't say anything that's shady, if he does say something
that's shady, right like, Uh, there's a really kind of
no way to win. It's it's a little bit of
(05:43):
a kiss of death. I was thinking, and I don't know,
I felt bad they painted him into a corner, and
once that happened, now I was thinking, he's not long
for this world.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right, No he's not. But the way he was playing,
he wasn't going to win anyway. Yeah, you can't go
after the Traders the way he did and exclude other
people because now you're making enemies, you're not making friends.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I feel like it's it's not a playing for
the long game.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, it's it's really not like he is. He's now
gotten to a point where he's just trying to make
it day by day, you know, instead of have made
like he really probably should have been like poverty. I
know you're a trader, but I am. You know, I
want to make an alliance with you to get to
get further. But regardless, he played the way he wanted
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to play.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You can never make a deal with a trader no
matter what, even in real life.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, they're gonna They're going to stab you in the back,
even if it kills them, because that's their nature. They
stab each other in the back too, They stab each other.
That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like I do feel like these first two seasons and
then our season, the big Achilles heel on the traders
is that they don't stay unified together. They start throwing
each other under the bus. And the second you do that,
it gets really really messy. I mean the fact that
Dan called Fader, I mean, this is getting a little
put in the cart before the horse. But like him
(07:13):
doing that made it very very obvious that Fadra is
a trader because he wanted to banish someone that would
absolve him of his sins, right, right, So it was
almost just like you should have never done that. If
you guys are a united front, you have numbers with
three people already you know, and then.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
The people that you get to trust you, right.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, So the game kind of like, I feel like
it plays itself out because you can't control the events
that happen every day. That kind of can put you
under a glass. So things start to fall in place
you can't plan for it. I think the biggest mistake
is walking in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
With a strategy.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like I didn't you walk in with a strategy,
and then when something there's too many moving parts it's
like a mental chess game. And then when something doesn't
go the way you expected it to go, you stand
there like, now just screwed myself totally.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So yeah, it's a risk. Every day is a risk.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The mission that they do in episode seven looks like
it sucks. I mean it's like running through the forest,
running into like open water that's like covered with leaves.
Right the bad Peter and Traschelle they think that they're
gonna be the ones that get all the money, but
they get the first question wrong, sending Peter into a
pool of mud. Bergie meets the same fate, which is
(08:36):
very funny. More than half the players get to the
next two get the next next two questions wrong, which
sends them flying into the air in a giant net, which.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Like a big cocoon.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Do you think that that really happened or do you
think that those are stunt doubles? Back in the castle,
Peter finds out he's in the shopping block or are
you surprised that Heath was surprised that he was on
the shopping block?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yes, that I am surprised, but I'm like, bro, what
did you expect?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah, you're also just dividing people when you don't allow
people to come, like and then you know what they do.
What Sandra does, being like we got to look at
the numbers is so smart, right, Like, if you are
on the outside looking in, you're thinking, well, if I'm
not part of the Peter Palace and I'm going to be,
I'm going to be murdered or I'm gona be banished
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at some point, right, So we need to figure out
how to get numbers. And him sending people away when
they come try to join, when when they're not poverty
and when they're not Phedra. It just seems like he's
signing his own death warrant. I feel like, and so
him surprised surprised me.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Right, well, I think you know, like I said, there
wasn't a lot of different things he could have done
in that time because he's really just trying to survive,
and the less people he trusted, the better off he
was to tell them something.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And even in that, you don't know who to trust
at this point. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, it was expected that he was going to
go anyway. It was like coming closed. But you know,
Sandra was in the military. I believe she was in
the army. Yeah, and I don't think she played like
she she hung in there, but she didn't get a lot.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Of things right.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
No, I was thinking that this entire episode, these two
episodes of like you're so wrong on like every account,
I think. But I also wonder if sometimes you can
just be like I'm just trying to get to the
end and then I'll figure it all out.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Like I think myself, Yeah, that's how I won, by
the way, That's exactly how I won.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, and same with ct ct is Well, I think
he's smarter than he's letting off. But he's just like,
I'm just trying to get to the end and then
I will figure everything out, which I think Sandra's kind
of doing a little bit. You know. This is like
we are in like the Peter Powell's world in these
two episodes, Peter pulling Parverty and Phaedra aside. I will
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say that I do think that Faedra does have a
tell with the eye twitch or whatnot. But I do
think her instincts are very very smart and right. When
when Peter asks them kind of both to work together
with him, Phaedra immediately is like, I'm getting out of
here and she can use that later, which she does. Yeah,
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really smart.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That is No one ever could say Phaeder's anybody's fool.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, she is so smart. I know that was that
was She didn't even have to think about it.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She made a good decision on the fly.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
She's quick, She's very good. I wonder if this was
a production faux paw and like a tipping of the hand.
Then Alan tells the players he has a surprise for
them in the woods. They're driven in the forest where
they meet Alan. He tells him that no one will
be banished tonight. Instead, they'll have the power to save
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someone from being murdered by the traders. Okay. So the
reason why I bring this up is it's if you're
not banishing someone, right, you're just taking people for murder.
That means the numbers aren't right for the traders, and
that is okay. Then whoever they tried to recruit didn't
say yes, because if they had said yes, I have
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a feeling that they would have had a banishment that night.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I agree, Yeah, I definitely agree. But you think by now, well, yeah,
because the Peter Palace didn't repeat it to anybody else, right,
they kept it amongst themselves, They kept it in house.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They were good.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah. I do wonder if Peter had told everybody and
they were like, okay, that's sus. But then when went
and did this with Alan, he would have been like, see,
the reason why we're doing this is because I didn't
accept their thing, and then that kind of absolves them.
I'm not really sure. Sometimes I think I overanalyze and
I get to like produce orial when I watched the show,
but that was like the one thing that I saw.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
This is not a produced show, as you know at all.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They the producers never get involved, and that's not an
easy show to produce. Like you see, even like you
being a producer, like you want to, you may have
said something or did something to change they do not.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It must be hard. I mean you're a producer.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tell me, do you think it's hard for the producers
that are there not to get involved while they're watching?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, I just legally they're not allowed to because money's online.
But I think it's it's really really hard, especially if
you can see a storyline that's like so very obviously
going to make good TV and it diverse away from it.
I imagine for them that must be so painful. Like the
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big example that I always give, and I remember when
I was having the conversations with the producers, I was like,
the fact that you got rid of Johnny banana Is
in the first episode is bonkers because I know he
makes good TV and like he's annoying to be around,
but he like is an amazing television maker. And they
were like, you don't understand, you know, like ripping our
hair out, Like we didn't know. But it's a testament
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to them that they're making a show that like is
just living in reality things are happening the way they're happening.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And it's working because the show is so beloved.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, and it gets more people get more into it
every year.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Totally. Are you surprised that CT didn't save Trischelle and
save John instead, and are you surprised that Trischelle was
so upset by it?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I think Trishelle is an emotional person anyway, and I
am surprised that he didn't pick Trischelle and he picked John.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I understand that she was upset.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
She should have been because she was begging for that shield,
like literally begging for it. She was like, guys, please,
And as a friend, it's the same reason Sharie picked
Phedra because when it comes down to that, it comes
down to who you have a relationship. Why would you
just save somebody who don't really have a relationship with
(15:32):
So it was weird. I don't even know why CT
picked John, and he even said in his interview it
wasn't personal. But she was like crying her heart out
to him. She's like, but why because he's smarter? Like
she was really really sincerely hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, but also she's very good at this stuff. There
was a part of me that wonders. I think, I
think that two things will be true at the same time.
I think that she probably was hurt. They are friends,
they've been trying to like reh you know, men the
fences of their relationships. You know, she would have done
it for him, so she thought he would do it
for her. But then I also think that there is
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value in being upset with CT, right, like there's there's
equity in sympathy, right, and so go I think if
that happens, you do need to make that play to him,
to be like, you really broke my heart and down
the line, oh can't do that again, wells, which is
not to not to put the cart before the horse,
(16:32):
but that's kind of what ends up happening at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
But wells, Okay, you're a nice guy, and that doesn't
work with every guy.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I just want to let you know, like you are
a human man. There are some some human men that
that would not work on. Okay. I happen to know
a few from where I come from.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, just say it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah you're really given your your you're people a lot
of credit.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There were just simple men, all right. So only four
players were up for murder last night, Bergie, Kate, MJ
and Trichelle. Bergie is the one that goes down, uh poverty.
Wanted to kill Peter, but obviously you can't because Peter's
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been saved. Bergie is the next option. I feel bad
for Bergie, our little like we had on the show
last week. He's so nice, like he's playing such a
good game.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
He's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He was so he made it further than I thought
he would, be honest with him.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
He did the same thing on Love Island. I remember
when when we were there, when Sarah was there filming it.
We were like, I'm amazed this guy still on this show.
So he's he always I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He's underestimated, right, but but he he he goes on
because he's quiet and he flies under the radar.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
He's a little underestimated. He's no dummy.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
He's really nice. You can't like dislike the guy in
for any way at all. He's just even smiles when
he's talking. He's just sweet.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He's a sweet guy. I was sad to see him go,
but I guess, you know, such as.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Someone must in the words of Faedra, someone must die.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Someone's got to die. Trachelle is bloodhounding on Phaedra after
Dan throwing another trader under the bus. He's right, though,
She's so right.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
There's no easier way to figure out a trader by
the by the clues another trader will give you about
the other person.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
She convinces Peter to also go along this and take
Phaedra out. And I think if things had worked out
the way that they originally wanted, I think the show
would have had to have ended an episode early because
I think would have been over really, I do like
I think so the way that the numbers work, right, like,
(19:05):
if you take Faedra out, then you can probably even
though there are some people that aren't in the Peter Pals,
you can still get Poverty out next, and then there
are no more traders, and then it's just going to
be the traders taken out of their traders before the
end of it. But I don't know if it would
have been possible. I don't even know if there would
(19:29):
have been enough time for them to recruit someone else
with it all falling apart.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, that hasn't happened yet now because because them getting
rid of Prvety instead of Faedra.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Fadri still has the everyone thought that Parvety was a trader,
right like it so if they could have saved you
out because now Faedra is a number to go against
somebody else. I I That's just was my thought is that,
like they were so close to being so perfect and
then it kind of fell apart there because a lot
(20:05):
of people didn't want to jump on the Phaedra bandwagon.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right because she was well liked.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And that goes to her telling Poverty, you are a
nice queen. You need to work people. You need to
be nicer to people. But guess why it's too late? Yeah,
because now then they always look to see for patterns,
like why did you change Stay a nice queen if
you're a bitch, stay a bitch. I understand that, like
(20:34):
because if you know she's under the glass, and I
don't think changing her attitude in this stage.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Of the game is going to help her at well.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think Faedra was trying to tell her, you get
more beauties with honey, Like the.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Nicer you are, less people will vote for you. Somebody's
going to vote for you eventually.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean it is like it's her face and it's
hard to change someone's face, but like that kind of
like squinty glare with like the duck lips thing is great.
But I think more so than that is her. She
kind of has a condescending tone and a vitriol and
hatred for Peter that comes across as Trader hating a
(21:17):
faithful that she can't seem to get out.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know, she wants him out of her castle.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, yeah, very very true. The mission that they do
is the one that I would never do. I would say, guys,
I'm so sorry, but twenty thousand dollars isn't enough for me.
I'm not having bugs drop down in my shirt and stuff.
I know you guys did this. I guess me. You
didn't do it. You don't have to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
No, because Chrishelle. The first thing she said when we
got there.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Was I don't do bugs.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, And I said, I don't do close spaces. So
I chose, we chose each other to be partners, and
we go and it didn't last two seconds. She pulled
before they even walked up to us. She pulled her
hand away. And once you do that, it's over. Yeah,
So we'll talk more about that when that comes. So
(22:11):
people were like oh, you picked the worst partner. No,
I picked the best partner.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Absolutely. Yeah, you guys had a plan.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
She didn't tell me she was gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And it's funny because when it airs, she called me
and she's like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, and I
was up for murder because I was the last housewife standing.
And I was like, honestly, Chrishlle, you were the best
partner ever.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Oh and the smell of the bugs so bad. It
smell like a dirty diaper.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh oh see, not doing that. The only one to
kind of get through is CT finds the last piece
of gold. They found fifteen thousand dollars worth of gold
but lost four thousand. Dude to the quitters. Very funny
that he pulled the gold out of his pants and said,
I had an anaconda and they are also a piece
of gold. I appreciated that comment. A good dick joke
(23:07):
goes a long way with me.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, you think that's fine? I mean, I guess,
I guess we've heard too many of them.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So yeah, all right, So this is kind of the
the climax of the climax of the two episodes. It's
time for the roundtable poverty. Starts off by telling the
group that she's been a brick wall because she's constantly
under a attack. She blames her friendship with Dan for
how she's being perceived, and it's like, yeah, of course
(23:36):
you good call though, Yeah, she's in a tough spot,
Like I don't even know how you can argue this
at this.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Point, No you can't. And she came up with a
good one. I'm impressed. Yeah she's sharp, she's no slouch.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah. Trachelle's like, yeah, I don't care. I want to
talk about Faitra and she you know, it's it's I
can see the edit when I was watching it, she
was like, I'm gonna start with like the least some
salacious stuff and then kind of like give you my
like big reasons at the end, and they really only
gave two. I have a feeling she had three or
four or five that she had, like in the Chamber
(24:11):
against Phaedia, but they only showed two. The eye twitch
is something that I have noticed. I'm not sure if
you noticed it when you've been watching.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Her big thing is that when anytime they're talking about
traders or like who the traders are, that that Fadria
kind of kind of does like one eye twitch like that.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Wow, that's interesting. I can't get past the lashes.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Well, and that's like I think the argument is, like
I'm surprised she wasn't like child, I've got giant lash,
you know, like that's what's happening. But she just got
kind of got the defensive of it. John says, ParvE
could be. This is this is when when John really shines.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
All right, yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, he starts using alliteration and you know, sing song.
He goes like full William Shakespeare and calls poverty the
Duchess of deception.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And when she thought she was playing him right from
the beginning, crying to him, he never fell for her.
Oh ah, you know, John, something tells me you've fallen
for a few in your.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Day, and now you know one when you see one.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I'm sure he's two.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Schooled on that. It is not his first time.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, he's known a few ice queens in his days.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He's known a.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Few wise queens and he has Yeah, he's seen that
person a couple of times in his life, so he
recognized it right away. If you'll go back to the
beginning when she's crying I'm a single mother, and he's like, oh,
poor thing. And then he walks away and he's like, yeah, right, yeah,
the last one time I fell for that cross my pension.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah. Phaeder reveals that Peter asked her in poverty to
work with him, and I thought this was good on
Phaedro's part, try to get some of the stank off her.
Peter says he was being cocky and joking around, which
(26:17):
I thought was a weird way to explain that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Right, I agree, and there was a better way to
do that.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, And then you know, I love Kate one. I
love how she makes TV and it's just like so entertaining.
But she's been right about a lot of stuff, especially
in the first season. But her questioning Peter's sudden switch,
I was like, oh, okay, Like, I don't know why
you're going after him, And I could be wrong, but
I think it has more to do with Kate is
(26:47):
annoyed by Peter.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So Kate gets annoyed by a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, and then they get on her nurse and she
just wants them to go. Whether it's whether they're a
trader or not, she just wants to not see them
anymore because she don't even want.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah. So yeah, all right, so finally everyone votes. This
one's actually a pretty good vote. There are seven for poverty,
there are four votes for Phedra. But it kind of
comes down to CT and Parvey's banished and reveals that
of course she is. It's like no one was surprised
that she was a trader.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and then we go to you know, like the
post round table. They all get drinks, which I wish
we got conversation where Peter where Kevin starts saying that
he doesn't feel good about Peter changing his mind about
poverty last minute.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I agree. I can totally see that being weird
and annoying.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Because he was so hung up on it. Yeah, you know,
and that's sketchy. That's really sketch. And that's on the
heels of him telling them he got recruited and turned
it down. Yeah, that's a big red flag. I'm sorry,
that would make me not trust him either.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
You're right, you're right, big mistake. Peter pulls Kate, which
seems like a fool's errand like, I'm not sure if
you're going to convince Kate of anything really, but that
he's now.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
No one ever has not on TV or off TV.
She's dangerous. She's one of my dearest friends. I love her.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But Kate marches to the beat of her own drum.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, you know, Peter tells her that, you know, he's
going to vote out parby the next roundtable. But you know,
Kate's just not buying it. So we're down to one trader.
Phedro walks in the turret alone tonight. Obviously she has
to recruit someone or they're just going to run out
of numbers because it's obvious that everyone's on her. If
(28:56):
they don't accept their offer, they will be murdered. So
this is the way the show said, as we're not
doing this like you get to choose anymore. It's either
you accept or you go home.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Right. I guess they changed that, Yeah, I don't. I
think like.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Peter made case law. Pilot Pede over there, he made
case law. He said.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They were like, whoa, we didn't expect this.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
He threw a curve ball to them, so they had
to come up with, yeah, something to make that not
be able to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I was thinking about this, you know, for our season.
My thought was that the Traders played a really bad game,
and that was the kind of why I got kicked out,
was me saying, like I thought that one of their
murders was stupid. I'm wondering what you think this season is.
Do you think this is a season of really good
(29:52):
Faithfuls or a season of really bad Traders, because it
seems like we've got a couple episodes left and it
seems like the Faithfuls they know who the bad guys
are right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I don't think that the Traders were bad at all.
I think they were very strategic. I think they're inherently smart.
Phaedra was is brilliant. Yeah, I mean, look at look
at who the Traders are. They're two brilliant, witty. I mean,
poverty got someone to drink out of a rusty cup
(30:24):
and killed someone. Not everybody could have done that, right
So I think the Traders were spot on amazing. Dan
not so much, but rightfully so got taken out.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
So I think this is.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
A very good group of Trader I mean Faithfuls.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I think had.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I think the show would have went a lot differently
if there were less smart Faithfuls.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I want to say I'm impressed with this season's Faithful.
They all seem like very cerebral and very organized almost
And I do think that things that have been so
much different if Dan had gone about things differently. I
(31:09):
think that he was one of the reasons why everything
is kind of tumbling around the Traders, especially with.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A lot of the residuals of what he did. The
mistakes he made in the game are the demise of
the Traders down the road. So I just want to
say that he was not a good trader. I don't
think no offense Dan, but the other two were. And listen, uh,
(31:38):
when you're not working alone, things like that happen, right. Yeah,
Paul always says to me, partners are made for dancing. Now,
sometimes it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mean, if you think about it, the reason why
people were really on Poverty is because he was. She
was so close with Dan, And the reason why people
are on Phaedra is because because Dan called her out,
balled her out, and so like the lynchpin for like
taking down this entire thing, much to the delight of
the faithfuls, Phader has to has to recruit somebody. I
(32:11):
don't know if I think there's a better recruitment option
than Kate.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And this juncture. I'm thinking, no, who in their.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right mind would think that Kate's a trader? You know,
like I, I would never be able to pin that.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No One, Yeah, no one, especially someone so not interested
in the like Yeah. Anyway, I think I think all
choices this season were really good.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have to say, I just honestly, I think one
of the big missteps that the Traders made in the
first recruitment is that they should have gone to Kate
instead of going to Peter.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
But then but.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, but see, this is either you join us or
you die and that and and Kate only says yes
because she had no choice.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I know. I'm saying that they should have used they
should have asked Kate instead of Peter. I think things
would have been different for the for the Traders if
they had done that. What how so it would have
given them numbers. I understand both sides. So you know,
if if you can get Peter, then it gets you
to have someone that can manipulate the Peter or yeah, right,
(33:32):
But if you get Kate, then I do think that
because everyone was so kind of grossed out by Peter
showing people away that they would have been able to
get Sandra, they would have been able to get oh sure, yeah,
And I think that they would have been able to
have the numbers. And with with the the thing of
(33:53):
no one ever expecting Kate to be a trader. I
don't know, I was just thinking about it was I
think that Poverty was so dead set on something with
Peter that she missed the big picture, which was the
thing is is that we need numbers in the turret.
We don't need to like pull away the one guy
who's trying to kill you. They every day. We need numbers.
(34:15):
And I think that that was the big miscalculation in
this episode. But who knows. I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's easier. It's easy to say what someone should do
from watching. Yah, don't we know that by now?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Right? It's so hard?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Only a couple episodes left with this season.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Do you remember how the season ends?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Well, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I got end.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm going to tell you the truth. I cried a little,
really probably last time I cried. Yeah, I was like
felt a little emotional. No, I felt like emotion mm hmm.
It was bad I was like, Oh, it punched me
in my gut.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, well, we won't spoil it for you guys out
there who might be watching it for the first time
or don't remember it from when it aired. But yeah,
we'll be back again next week to talk more Traders
and Faithfuls. Anything else do you want to talk about
this season before we go? Floris?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
For me, I'm looking forward to the end because I
want to know, like, I just need to talk about it.
It's like therapy for me. I have PTSD from it.
It's like crazy. So yeah, no, I'm I think this
is this was the kick off season where people got
really hooked.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, I was thinking about it, like I like the
first season, but this season is so fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
This solidified like we're onto something here.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah. I do believe that the reason why the show
became such a big success in the US was because
of this one.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
For sure, I'd have to say yes, and then next.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Even and then of course then you done our television
screens and.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You too, and the ratings just Scott skyrocketed.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
All right, all you faithfuls and traders out there, if
you don't follow us on social media, please do. We
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(36:27):
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be back again next week, breaking down everything from season
two of The Traders.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Bye wells, thank you,
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