June 3, 2020 • 41 mins
Jesse McCartney talks to Wells about the unbelievably stressful and high security experience of performing on The Masked Singer. He tells us what he learned about himself while becoming “The Turtle”.
We hear the story of how community theater led to a role on “All My Children” on his way to becoming one of the biggest pop stars in the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Wells cast with Wells Adams and I
used to have been voicing that intro. Shout out to
Tori producer Toriy for voicing Paddy Totro and for all
that ship too. I was joking around with my my
other producer Amy, and I was like, let's just change
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the name of the show too, so you were on
the Mass Singer cast because that's what this is now.
Because that's what this is now. See that was my
audition for the next season in the Mass Singer. I
was thinking about it like, I would never go in
the Mass Singer because like Cassie, but actually other people
that that suck have gone on the shows. Maybe I can,
but I would want to be in control of my outfit.
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And do you remember the movie Dodgeball with Vince Vaughn.
Could you remember the scene where Vince Vaughn is playing
Dodgeball for the first time competitively. The average Joe's uniforms
come in, but they get the wrong uniforms and so
they all wear dominating Tricks uniforms. That's what I would
want to be. I don't want to be the submissive
and just really freak out. Ken Jong or maybe he
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be turned on, I don't know what would happen. I
was saying that someone would come in zip the mouth
clothes and I couldn't sing, you know, very excited about
today's episode. I was telling my fiance Sarah, who was
gonna be on. She was like, shut up. I had
a huge crush in the back in a day, which
makes total sense. And Scott he's married, so like, that's
just not I don't worry about, you know, on today.
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And by the way, thank god for the mass singer
because it's getting me so many cool freaking artists on
this show. Today, we're gonna have a guy who broke
into Hollywood in the late nineties. He was on a
little show called All My Children. Do you remember it? Yeah?
You do. His first three albums, Beautiful Soul, Right Where
You Want Me and Departure consecutively about in the top
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fifteen the Billboard Top two D singles Beautiful Soul, minted
Gold and Leaving Certified Platinum. Bro His collaboration spanned from
Tea Pain's Body Language to Ludicrous how do You Sleep
Along the Way? Performing arenas alongside Oh you Know, New
Kids in the Block the Backstreet Boys. In addition to
packing global headlining tours and hosting shows for both George W.
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Bush and Barack Obama. My boy is bipartisan. Your new
single out right now called Yours. While he's been in quarantine,
he's been making hilarious quarantine couple skits on Insta with
his fiance Katie. He's a part of Fox's new show
Celebrity Watch Party. And he was the turtle. I like
titles turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle on
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the Mass Singer. Everyone thought that Hunter Hayes, who was
on a couple of weeks ago, that he was the turtle.
No no, no no, no, no, no no, he was the astronaut.
Today's guests the turtle. So sit back and relax, and
ladies out there, if you're a child of the nineties,
get ready to be very excited because on the Wells
Cast today we have the multitalented jesse McCartney. You don't
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want to miss it. H alright, on the Wells Cast
now I have Jessie McCartney. How are you, buddy, I'm
doing well, Wells. How are you? I mean, I guess
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as good as you can do under these circumstances. Sure, sure,
of course, what can you do right? So far, we're
safe and sound. We have a roof over our head,
so we're very grateful in that regard. But yes, it
is a difficult time for I think a lot of people,
so we're trying to meet the best of it. I
had Hunter Haze on the show a couple weeks ago,
and he was saying that everyone thought that he was
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the Turtle, but in fact, no, sir, you are the Turtle.
Turtle Turtle Turtle on the mass singer, did you enjoy
your time singing in front of a bunch of people
when they didn't know who you were? Yes, I did.
It was it was a real thrill, you know, just
getting up there every single night. It was fun to
watch people try to figure it out, especially in the
early stages of the filming of that show, because the
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first few episodes before it aired were filmed, so before
anyone could really be on the internet trolling or guessing,
people were genuinely trying to figure it out live, which
was very exciting. And then I think once the first
few episodes aired, I think the die hard fans started
putting it together pretty quickly, just based on my physicality
and and such on stage that the people in the
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audience were like starting to scream out my name and
people would have to say, okay, all right, keep it
to yourself, you know, like keep your guesses to yourself.
But it was it was really fun. Said, we had
Hunter on, Brett Michael's, Paul Schaeffer, a bunch of people
who are actually singers on the show that we're also
part of the mass singer and then we've had a
bunch of people that weren't actually singers. You're used to
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getting on stage, and you're used to performing in front
of a bunch of people. What's more fun? Is it
more fun to be kind of like shrouded in mystery
performing for people, or is it more awesome to like
have everyone know who the hell they're looking at. It's
not that it's awesome that to have them know who
they're looking at. It's it's just awesome to not be
wearing an extra forty pounds of material on your back.
So while some artists, I'm sure we're loving being the
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disguise because maybe they're not professional performers and it gave
them a little bit of a barrier. In my case,
I was dying to rip that thing off because it
was just impeding on my ability and being able to
sing clearly and dance. Swell, um, you know, I was.
I love being on stage, so for me it was
actually more of a distraction in terms of my performing.
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How much does that thing smell inside? You actually be
surprised how well built those things are. They they ventilate,
They have like ventilation systems and some of them where
they have like fans going and they like are breathing,
so actually not too bad, and they're really good at
disinfecting and you know for breathing them. But um, you know,
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when you're in it for a couple hours at a time,
especially when the lights in the studio have been on
all night, it gets really hot. But to me, I
can take the heat. That wasn't really what bothered me.
It was the air, the oxygen. I actually felt like
because of the mask. You know, they had teeny baby
little breathing holes, but getting a full breath is just
not possible in that in that mask, which makes it
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all the more challenging when you're going to reach for
a big note. Uh So that was the one thing
that I didn't like about the costume. Who is your
favorite judge and who is your least favorite judge? Uh
no that I don't have a least favorite. They were
all I love. They all fit the there. They all
play their role so perfectly. They each bring, you know,
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their own sort of um special thing to the show.
Robin Thick is like you know, he's he's first of all,
He's definitely my my favorite as a as an artist
because I grew up listening to his music. He made
such an impact on me vocally and musically, so I
always looked up to Robin. So that was such a
big bucket list check every week. To be able to
sting in front of him was just so cool. Um,
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but they were all great. Man Ken could not stop
making jokes. Um. Jenny was a sniper. When it came
to think guessing who the person was, she was always right.
And Nicole just always had a way of relating to
every artist. She's very relatable when she would speak. So
they're they're all incredible. I didn't There wasn't one person
I didn't you know, enjoy listening to Did you have
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any control over your costume? Or they like, hey, listen
to you to the terrible That's just what it is.
They sent me a few, um, a few costumes in
the beginning of the show. One was one was like
a it's really ironic, but it was. It was a
bat um, which I don't think I actually have ever
told anybody. The first person one of the options was
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a bat which I'm so happy I didn't end up picking.
But then there was a turtle, and then there was
like there was another costume. It was Oh, they offered
me the rhino, which was maybe my second choice, but
it still looked very cumbersome. And what I liked about
the turtle it was that was that it was the
most um, the most sleak of all of them. From
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the pants down. It was just regular pants, leather pants
that you could walk and move around in, whereas some
of these outfits like the lama that Drew Carey was in.
I mean, he wasn't literally hit two legs sticking out
of his butt. I mean it was like you can't
dance in that kind of thing. So I actually had
one of the more comfortable costumes um, and that's what
I was going for, was comfort. Who in your circle
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knew you were doing this show? And I asked that
because everyone seems to think that my fiance is the kittie,
and I'm sitting here wondering maybe she is. And I like,
the rule is, you know, all how to tell anybody?
Did your fiance know you were doing this? She did,
she didn't. You lived together. She signed an n d A,
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and you know, she was one of maybe five or
six people on my team that signed the NBA, my
agents and my manager basically, But I mean, that was it.
I mean it was I was a lock of steel,
you know, Trapp Otherwise, my mom. I lied to my
own mother, my my brother, my sister, my family in
New York. All of my best friends were hitting me up.
I was so nervous about even going on social media
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for fear that I accidentally, like Common had something to
do with the Turtle or the Mass Singer. So I
was very I was on high guard, high alert. And
it was unbelievably stressful. I can't even imagine. You can't
even maag Like somebody was just out of the blue
be like, hey man, are you on the Mass Singer?
And you literally had to just flip a switch and
be like, dude, everybody keeps talking about that show. I've
never seen, you know, act my way out of I'll
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act my way out of it, but it was not
fun to have to hold on to that for so long.
Are you glad you did it? I really am, you know.
At first, I was very skeptical of like how this
was going to go. I'm like, do I really want
this living on the internet for the rest of my life?
It's completely ridiculous and in name, But ultimately it was
a real test of like what I feel like I'm
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capable of vocally and what I was able to achieve.
And I think what I proved to a lot of
people on the Internet who maybe I didn't know who
I was or skeptical of my vocal ability, and I
think it may be changed a lot of perceptions of me,
which is really the main reason I did it. That
and also to sort of cross promote my new album
I'm Dropping Uh It's coming out very soon, as well
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as the single, so it was you know, it was
overall was such a pleasure and everyone at Fox. It's
just so cool. They were such a great team and
the relationships that have been built there are stronger than ever.
So nice segue into the new stuff, new single Yours
and the new record coming out soon. Tell me about
this new project, Yours. Yeah. So the first single was
called Yours. The second single that I just released yesterday
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is called Friends and Uh. The single is is basically
an homage um you know uh, a love song to
all of my best friends, which you don't hear a
lot in pop music. You always hear about songs that
are intimate you know, or or heart heartbreak, or you know,
a breakup song. But this is just about your homies
and what it's like, you know, being being around your friends.
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For me personally in my life, my friends are as
important to me as my blood relatives in many ways. UM.
So it's a it's a fun summer bop that people
can jam out too. They'll be sick of it by
the fall. Uh. It's a two and a half minute banger,
and it's it's just a lot of fun. It's about
going out and just getting sauced with your friends and
uh and just having a good time. And I feel
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like it's a morale boost. I feel like everybody kind
of needs to hear that right now with everything going
on in the world, and for the rest of the record,
what people expect the album you Know Um is still
yet to be revealed in terms of the title because
we're I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but
we haven't decided when it's coming out, um, simply because
of this COVID thing where it's still all trying to
navigate what's happening with that and when I'm gonna tour.
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But I do anticipated coming out at some point this summer.
It's a full length LP. Most of the songs are
actually a little bit more intimate, reflective and talk about
what it's like being in this industry from the time
that I was a child growing up, how it's affected
all of my romantic relationships, how it's affected my family relationships,
that dynamic, what people, you know, the sacrifices I've had
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to make, all of the things that I've gotten out
of it, um. And so it's a very you know,
introspective album. It talks a lot about my my my
relationship with my new fiance that I've been with for
eight years. So it's a very personal album. I think
people are gonna really dig it. It's more singer songwriter based,
but Friends is a little bit of a get you
into the summer and let's get this party going nice.
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I mean, it makes total sense to kind of pump
the brakes on the LP release just because I'm sure
you want to tour behind it. You just don't know
what you're gonna be able to do in terms of touring,
So I think it's a smart way to go about
releasing stuff is kind of slowly and then see what happens. Well,
that's exactly it. Well, when you put out an album
and you want to go out and tour it immediately,
and I don't want to be putting it out and
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then you can't tour for another year. So I'm still
trying to figure out what to do there. Possibly I'll still,
you know, just keep releasing singles from it and so
I can release the full project. You know. Speaking of
your fiance, you guys have been doing some really funny
things on Instagram. Tell everyone about like your skits you're
doing on Insta. Yeah, So Katie and I, you know,
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Katie uh does a lot of comedy writing, and the
two of us when we're in a room together, all
we do is it and write jokes. So when we
got stuck in this quarantine, we started just writing these
sketches based on a couple just being stuck in a
house together driving each other nuts. Um, And I think
it was like, you know, it's the perfect timing and
it's relatable. It's really all the same things that everyone
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does with their partner in a in a house, um,
you know, from cooking to chewing too loudly, to fighting
over what show to watch, uh, to being in the
bathroom too long that those kind of things. Um, you know,
it's it's a perfect uh you know, it's a perfect
quarantine couple kind of relationship. Well, I don't know if
anyone told you the mission statement or the idea for
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this podcast, but I'm just kind of obsessed with like
how people got to where they are, understanding that story
and that journey, and then also like what's the blueprint
for other people out there trying to be successful in
their own right? And dude, you've been doing this for
a very very long time, and you've been doing a
lot of different things for a very very long time.
If you're cool with it, I'd love to kind of
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let go back and find how how it all started.
I mean, like you broke into Hollywood and the late
nineties with all my children, But were you doing stuff
before that? I was, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't even
say Hollywood in the late nineties because all my children,
while it was television, it was more of a daytime thing,
and it was actually filmed in Manhattan at the time.
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So I hadn't even moved to Hollywood until I was
about sixteen or seventeen. But prior to that, prior to
even All my children, which I think was in ninety nine,
you're right, ninety eight or ninety nine, late nineties, Prior
to that, I did a lot of feeder and I
was theatrically trained. I did a lot of Broadway on
and off Broadway, and in fact, my first performance was
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with my folks in a local community theater of about
five hundred seats UM in a little town called Irvington,
New York. It's a river town that runs up the
Hudson River just outside of Manhattan by about twenty five minutes.
And my folks were just both very musically and theatrically inclined.
My mom went to Juilliard, she went to u c.
L A. My father was a feeder major um in
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Rhode Island, and they met in Manhattan doing feed or
work together. They were both singers and songwriters. My mom
was a phenomenal dancer, and my dad had a beautiful,
like Irish tenor voice, and it was a family affair.
So when I came along, when they got married and
had me, they started just raising me in the musical
household that they were. They would sit around the piano,
play songs, teach me how to write a song, teach
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me how to sing, and at an early age, I
think that they found that I had relatively good pitch,
and so it was maybe just sort of like an
Irish traits that was in my blood and they sort
of helped me develop it from an early age, and
I quickly became in love with singing, and I had
that as something I could always hold onto. And eventually
somebody saw me play in a local production at that
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feeder and they were from the city, and they said, hey,
we just saw your son. We really love them. Would
you mind bringing him down to the to the city
for some actual Broadway auditions? And that's kind of was
the beginning of it all. Is it something that you've
set out and wanted to do, or is it it
was the only thing you knew because that's what your
parents were doing. It was a bit of both. I mean,
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my parents truly loved music and really love feeder um
and so you know how some families are die hard
sports fans where they're watching sports every single night there's
a new game on which you know, my father also
loved the Yankees and the New York Giants. Some families
encourage their kids to get involved with sports at an
early age and and uh competitive sports. My my family
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was you know, involved in getting me into theater and
as an extracurricular at a very young age. And they
always put an emphasis on education and making sure I
was you know, I had the proper schooling, but you know,
I think every kid needs some sort of guidance in
a direction at an early age, and they definitely gave
me the push. But I think once I realized that
I had some of the natural ability that I was given,
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that I was able to sort of develop it as
I got older, and the more that I saw people
returning with positive feedback, the more it motivated me to
be like, Okay, wow, maybe I should be doing this.
This is great. So it was a little bit of both.
Especially in the Broadway world, singing and acting aren't mutually exclusive,
but they are separate entities at that young age. Did
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you like one better than the other? Liked? Were you like,
I really like singing more than the acting thing, or
I like the acting thing, but um, you know I
can make more money in the thing and thing like?
What was the thought process and did you like one
bet and the other? Well? I think that came later,
and certainly the money thing didn't come at that age
at all. I wasn't even thinking about money. But um,
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I think what was great about what my What was
smart is that my parents, when they introduced me to
the theater, I knew it was an all encompassing thing.
So I had never thought that they were mutually exclusive.
I always thought, oh, if you're performer, you have to
do both. And so I quickly just lashed onto the
idea that you need to sing and you need to act.
And that was sort of the blueprint that I was getting.
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That was sort of my you know, that was the
world I knew. So when it came to audition for Broadway,
I was I was sort of armed and ready for
reading my scene and then sitting there and singing you know,
a song by Oliver Twist. You know, So it was
it was interesting and it wasn't until years later that
I started realizing, um, you know, my my love for
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pop music, popular music. I started falling in love with
Prince and Michael Jackson and TLC and Craig David and
started developing a taste for pop, R and B music.
And then all of a sudden, I was like, Hm,
you know, this is great. I want to do more
pop stuff. And I quickly sort of started deviating away
from the theater. I think a lot of kids when
they become preteens and teenagers, it's a natural thing for
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a lot of people, or at least for me, And
and yeah, it started just developing other interests. But um, yeah,
it's it's it's a wild it's a wild story. And uh,
I do now when I look back, I kind of
missed the theater. Now that I'm grown up, and I'm
looking back at some of the shows that are on
Broadway and I see the amazing talent coming from Broadway,
and I'm just it's something I would love to do
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again at some point in my life. So you're doing
community theater outside of New York, you get recruited to
come to Manhattan to do Broadway. That goes well, how
did you go from doing Broadway to jumping on to
all my children? Well, you can see my manager was
at the time I was signed of this, like she
was a this. I never forget her. She was such
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a character. She could have been a movie. You know,
she could have been in you know, there could be
a bio pick about her. But she was like this
woman from Long Island to talk like this. I won't
say a name because I'm not sure she might still
be living, although I'd be surprised. And she talked like this,
and every time she talked to you she said, okay,
saying you know, she was like this real caricature of herself.
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By the way, that's Joey from Friends manager. Well that's
who this person was. I mean she is. She is
the personification of what you think about when you think
of a old timer manager agent, you know, and so
so so she said, you know, I got this show.
It's a talk, it's a it's a it's a soap opera.
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And I think, you know, I know you've been doing
the feet of things, but I think you should try
this thing. And I was like, all right, cool, and
I was just so anxious and why that bushy tailed,
and I just was willing to try anything if if
it meant I got to perform. So even though there
was no music component, it was TV. And when you're
ten years nine, ten years old, you're like, oh, I
mean this is cool. I could be on TV. So
I went to the audition and I auditioned like everybody else,
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and I got the role, and all of a sudden,
now I was on a soap opera between the ages
of I think it was eleven or twelve to thirteen
or fourteen, And that was sort of like my introduction
into television. And then from there during my time that
two or three years on that show, I was nominated
for two Emmy Awards, And that was sort of the
beginning of like people calling them from l A and saying, hey,
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we like your kid, can you bring them out for
pilot season for prime time television? So that's kind of
like how that pivoted. Um, it was a whole snow
ball effect, you know. But it started with this later
because someone book her for the next episode. I want
to talk to her so bad. I'm like, So it's
not a it's not a big chunk of time between
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doing all my children and dropping the first record. Two
thousand four was when you released your first album. I'm
terrible with timeline timeline in general, but I do think that, yes,
it was. It was during all my children that I
was auditioning, like every child actor, like every kid that
was out there. I was auditioning for you know, shows
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and Broadway and television in New York and New York
at the time, especially television and film was limited. It
was more of a place you went for theater, whereas
l A was more based in you know, prime time
television and and and in cinema. So between soap opera
world or time, I auditioned for this boy band. They
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were doing like a cattle call for like the next
new boy band. And you gotta remember this is so
this is like peek in sinc Battery Boy era, and
and remember I told you, I was like, I was
developing this taste for pop music and R and B,
and so I was like, you know, I had bought
a couple of those Battery Boys albums, and I was like,
all right, cool, maybe I could do a boy man.
So I went in an audition and I got cast
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in a boy band. So now I'm in a boy
band while I'm shooting all my children, going to shooting
my you know, shooting my scenes after school, then going
to rehearsals for four hours after all my children and
being in the city until midnight, coming home, driving back
to me. Wests are going to school at eight am,
and then doing that every day for like three years
and rehearsing with this group, recorded an album, we got
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signed by Atlantic Records. We sold nearly a million albums.
This is back when you could literally fart and sell
two million records. And it was that was sort of
the beginning of the dream Street era. And and we
were on tour with Britney Spears and then we got
royally screwed over like most like some boy bands do.
The boy band thing fell apart. Uh, you know, in
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a matter of two years, two and a half years,
the producers walked away with a ton of money. We
saw nothing classic boy band story. And here I'm now
fourteen years old, and now I'm at this point where
the boy band's over again. Like this, there was somebody
who was like, you know, we want to develop you
maybe as a solo artist. And so then that and
then the story takes another left turn you're twelve, thirteen
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years old and you're hustling like a twenty eight year old.
I just think of like ship head wells at twelve,
you know, I was concerned about like making out with
Megan Johnson and figuring out a way to smuggle clothes,
you know, like I can't imagine the crazy amount of hustle.
Did you ever get exhausted? Yes, of course, But it
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also didn't mean that, like it didn't come with my
Megan Johnson and my um you know, my my cigarette smuggling.
Like I had moments like that too, where I was
just a normal, average teenager where my mom and dad
had to kick me in the ass, you know and
say like hey, like you can't do stuff like that.
So there it was totally balanced with a lot of
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just regular everyday stuff, and my parents tried very hard
to make sure that, you know, I finished, even up
until moving to Los Angeles. I came back to after
being on a hit show. I came back to New
York to graduate with my high school class. So my
parents were insisted insisted that I at least got my
high school diploma. I mean, they were very good at
trying to balance my life out with regular guy, regular stuff.
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But I did have just this overwhelming, um, just this
overwhelming passion for wanting to be great and wanting to
be somebody at an early age. And I think that
sort of superseded all of the other stuff that was
going on in my life. And I was willing to
give up maybe everyday stuff to have that. And it
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maybe was a little bit uh different than most twelve
year olds, but um, but trust me, I would slip
and fall down on my face like every twelve year
old kid too. Like it was a mixed mix of both.
Would you say it's more for you, it's more ambition,
Like there's many ways of becoming successful, but for me,
especially like in the entertainment industry, there's a lot of
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people who are just I can't say still, I gotta
go go, go, go go, you know, like a for momentum,
do this thing, let's do this thing. And then there's
also people who are just like, I love this. It's
not really work to me, this is just fun. I
love it. I love being on said, I love singing,
I love performing. Is there was there one or the
other or is it combined? Totally mine? I think anybody
who tells you it's only uh oh, I love every
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part of this is totally lying to your face because
there's so many unglamorous parts of this industry. Without question,
the highs are super high, the lows are really low,
the things are really nice that you get. I think,
ultimately what does drive me is my passion to be great,
my validation, respect from peers and people that I admire
and respect, you know, people like thick On, like the
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massing or like getting his approval on that show meant
more to me than just being on that show. So
to me, it was always about the drive and the
passion to be respected for or something that I'm doing well.
But you know that this is not to say that
like touring is a grind and sometimes I feel like
ship and I just want to go to bed and
not you know, do a show that night, or I'm
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sick and I have to do an interview. Look, I mean,
there's so many things that you know, but it's part
of the part of the deal. It's part of the package,
and that's kind of what comes with it. And I
think for any profession, there's there's something that you can
complain about, you know, but I try not to because Ultimately,
my life is pretty sweet. The irony has not lost
to me that, like, I'm one of those things that
you have to do as a part of this trying
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to avoid going down that road a little too far.
I'm actually thoroughly enjoying this interview, if you must know.
It's one of the better interviews I've given in a
very long time. So hats off to you. You know,
there's a lot of great things that go along with
being a singer and a songwriter and an actor. But
talking to your ass bro, I wanted to go back to, like,
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I mean, you came along at a time in which
things were crazy. You're touring alongside new kids in the
block and actually boys I assumed, Britney Spears and Christia
like later, do you have like crazy stories from that time?
There's one story I can think of that was really interesting.
During my years in Dream Street, we opened up for
Britney Spears for I can't really recall how many shows.
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It may have only been a few shows that we did,
and I believe they were in the Tri State area
because we were very popular within this like Tri State region.
But um, we did a show at it was either
like Madison Square Garden. I think it was or at
like Nassau Coliseum. It was a huge, huge venue. It
was Britney Spears in the nineties. And Justin Timberlake came
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backstage and he came into our dressing room because he
had heard of this new boy band called dream Street.
And he came back and he shook all of our hands.
And you know, when you're twelve thirteen, Justin Timberlake he's
like the godlike boy bander, right, he is the people
ever wont to look up to. And he was very
gracious and kind, and he sid shook all of our
hands and he gave us a little piece of advice.
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I don't even remember what he said, you know, he
was just trying to be cool and and I just
remember thinking, well, this is so awesome. And and then
he and he sat and he just kind of watched
our performance the entire time of like looking up at us.
So that's a little anecdote that I thought was fun.
I mean, I just remember thinking about that. And then
years later I would run into him in an award
show and he'd be like, man, I always knew you guys,
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and I'm like, you didn't know even know and I
was like, yeah, so so at a moment like that. Um,
There's been many moments like that, you know, where I've
run into people that I grew up loving or idolizing,
and all of a sudden, I'm sharing a moment with
them and it's just surreal, you know. Um, And it's crazy.
Now I feel like I'm at the age where there's
young artists coming up that that meet me and they're like,
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hey man, you don't understand, Like that's one of those
that beautiful soul albums, one of the first records that
got me into music, and now they have a budding career.
It's just funny to see it all come full circle. Um.
So yeah, when that happens, do you give those young
whipper snappers advice? Now, I don't like to be that guy,
and I don't be like, you know what you should
do is because it just feel like the like big
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timing people and I don't like that. If they asked,
I'll give him a little two cents, but you know,
I just I just give him a high five and
just say, hey man, keep keep doing you and stay
focused and four card and you're crushing it. You know.
I try to keep it lighting easy. I don't like
to be Mr. Wisdom year old kid who wants to
hear that when you're sixteen. Well, I would imagine you
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would have liked to have heard that from Justin Timberlake,
where he was like, hey, listen, this boy band thing
you're gonna get screwed over big time. Just so you know, well,
he was one of the boy bands that didn't get
screwed over. He ended up making tens of millions of
dollars before his solo careers. So, okay, so you start
the solo career and then what happened at that point?
I was probably seventeen, uh sixteen when I started recording
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Beautiful Soul. I moved out to Los Angeles for my
first pilot season, and during my first pilot season, I
booked a show which was originally called Immediate Family that
the w picked up and then changed the name to Summerland,
and that would become a big show on the w B.
During that time, my manager who's still my current manager,
was pitching a little demo that I had put together
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of a several songs UM on a CD and back
when you know member C, D and UM, and she
put together like a tape of me performing these solo
songs at a on stage, and because up Dream Street,
I had several three to five hundred people that would
show up to my solo show, so it was quite
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impressive to show a record company, Look, this kid's not signing.
He's already got like these screaming girls like coming after him.
This is a get like, you guys should sign him.
They did. It was a smart pitch. It was a
wise pitch. The songs were decent. One of the songs
was beautiful, soul, funny enough that we had recorded that
we found on a publishing service called Taxi. Out of
tens of thousands of songs, we find a number one record.
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The whole thing is unbelievable. And then we moved to
l A. I'm shooting the show. We pitched to Hollywood Records.
Jay Landers, who I think now works for Sony, he
heard it and he was like, I like this kid.
He reminds me of like the male Hillary Duff, who
was a huge thing at the time, and so they
signed me to a record deal. They signed me to
a three album deal, which at the time was like incredible.
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You can't get those kind of deals anymore. I signed
a record deal. We produced, We made the first album,
and Beautiful Soul, which was already becoming a hit on
Disney Radio, which is a M radio without being signed.
They were like, how does this kid on Disney with
a number one record on Disney without being signed to label.
They put some money into it on the on a
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grand scale, and Beautiful Soul became the song that it
it is and that it was and uh and the
rest sort of his history at that point musically, at
everything sort of just went from zero to sixty. So
within within a year, it was like, you know, I
was in everybody's living rooms, my high school friends now
like I was a junior in high school. When I
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moved to l A, all of them were like, hey bro,
And I'm like, what do you mean, hey bro? You
don't used to shove me to air about Hey bro.
I get out of here. And then you know, and
then I was traveling around the world. I had a
worldwide tour. I was going to Australia and Europe and
Italy and Japan and seeing places that like just a
year ago I was learning about in a textbook. That
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period was when I think the name Jesse McCartney went
from just like this kid who was in the theater
business and and working the young actor singer went from
there to sort of household name status. And that's like
that was kind of the beginning of of of what
people think of when they think of Jess McCartney. I
think they think of they think of me, they think
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of that time. You know, it seems like you've killed
every audition you've ever walked into. You know, there were
a lot in between that I completely fell flat on.
Trust me. It's not like there was only three auditions
and I booked everyone. There were several thousand auditions, and
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maybe there was a couple that I I was able
to squeeze out. It seems like you've done kind of everything.
You did Broadway, You've done scripted, You've done the singer out.
Is there anything that you haven't done that you want
to do? I mean, of course, there's more that I
haven't done that than there is that I've done. UM,
you know, in my in my mind, I mean, I
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certainly would like to start UM writing and producing UM.
Whether it's short form or long form content. I don't
really I'm not sure. I mean, I enjoy doing sketch
comedy quite a bit. The more that I get used
to it and do it, It's something that just feels
natural to me, and I'm getting a rhythm for especially
with Katie, who's a really talented writer. The two of
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us are a really good team. So I anticipate doing
more of that. When I look at things like Rudy
Mancuso doing you know, all those like social social media
guys that are crushing it at shots and all of
these like startup companies, that's something I really want to
get more involved with. And I would love to have
either an episodic or you know, um, a film that
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I've written myself and produce myself. That's something I'd still
love to do. So there's a lot still I want
to do also behind the camera in terms of production. Um.
But you know, it's one ft in front of the other,
and it's a it's as they said on the mass there,
it's a very slow and steady climb, and I'm just
you know, I'm constantly trying to educate myself and learn
new things so that I can get good at them,
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you know, And I think that's like that's really all
it it is. It's just like constantly trying to teach
yourself new things so that you know, if you have
a little bit of natural ability, you can apply it
to the fundamentals of whatever it is that you're doing.
If someone came to you and said, hey, listen, you
only get to do one thing for the rest of
your life in terms of work, what would you choose.
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In terms of work, it was going to be pizza.
But in terms of work, I would say, uh oh man,
I would say live performance. I mean that I that
will never I'll never lose, And it probably comes from
my Broadway days, but like, I will never nothing will
ever come close to the feeling that you get when
you perform in front of a live audience, and that
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immediate reaction and gratification that you get when they do react.
You hear it a lot from like um, some of
my favorite comedians like Jerry Seinfeld and Maniscalco and some
of the top guys. You hear them say it. There's
just nothing can bet. I don't care how successful your
TV show is or your movie is, and you perform
on a live stage, it's really the ultimate high. And
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so I think if somebody held a gun to my
head and said you only get to do one thing forever.
It would be just to perform music live on stage.
Tell us about Celebrity Watch Party. Now, that's a funny show.
It's basically my fiance and I sitting on our couch
doing what we've already been doing for the last two
and a half months, which is just binge watching television
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and cracking jokes and commentating on what we're watching, which
is perfect for us because we get to riff, we
get to make fun of each other and make fun
of what we're watching, and we get to sit our
ass on the couch. So it's perfect. Do you ever
do Bachelor in Paradise because I need to watch it
if you do, see, I don't even is that another?
Is that like a reality show? Yes, it's and it's beautiful.
You need so when it comes back, I need you
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to do it for that show. Yeah. Well, Katie got
me into ninety Day Fiance oh man before the ninety
Days for the ninety Days Real Bro with but she
but but I tuned in for season four. I didn't
watch the first three seasons I turned in for like
The Big Dude Ed and The Filipino Girl Rose. Yeah, man,
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that it's just the most it's the most incredible television
is ripening stuff. But but so why is it before
the ninety days? What's after the ninety days? Do they
actually do another show after the ninety days? Yeah? I
think like there's another show. I haven't seen either, But
Sarah and I were talking about this, like what what
is the next show? So I guess the next show
is like it's actually them um like together, like they're
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married or whatever. That that that ninety days of recording
is the most fun because it's like, what do I
do with this guy? And he's like, how what do
I do? She doesn't love me, She just wants to
be She wants a card, she wants a visa or
a green card. That's to me the best part of
the show anyway. Yeah, dude, it's uh. I don't watch
a lot of reality food she shows, but that is
one she's turned me onto and we're thoroughly enjoying it.
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Was your mind blown when Lana was real. That's when
I was like, oh my god, David's the girlfriend that
he's been talking to on chat forever. Oh you know
what I didn't get to. My mind is blown though.
Right now the last episode I saw. I got distracted
with Defending Jacob, which is a great show, but the
last one I saw is that he went there. He
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sat at the table with the rose and the champagne,
just the saddest display of you know, denial. And then
he goes home and it's like his friend picks him up.
So you're telling me that that girl is real. He
goes back a fifth time. You gotta go. I'm gonna
let you go now because you have to go watch
the rest of this because it's gonna get crazy. And
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then there's also Usman who who's Soldier Boy, but the
Nigerian version shows great. Hey, before I lets you go,
do you have time to do rapid Fire Questions? Of course?
Okay um I love how like we just put on
what a really weird detour into rapid Fire Questions with
Jessi McCarney. The number one favorite pizza topic, davorite pizza topping, Pepperoni,
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favorite book Kitchen Confidential? Nice biggest mentor I'm gonna say,
Will Smith, who's your first kiss? A girl named Sam?
Seventh grade celebrity? You get mistaken for Frankie Munez. Really
I get Frankie Munez from time to time, which is funny.
I've also gotten Aaron Carter and I've also gotten and
Jessie McCartney and there and yeah and once right, who
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would you call to get you out of jail? I
guess Katie. It depends on what you do. I suppose, yeah, exactly.
One thing that's always in your fridge fresh fruit. Do
you believe in soulmates? Yeah? Who is your celebrity crush
growing up? And for love Hewitt, I like that one.
Do you have a nickname? And if you do, what
is it? My friends just calling me jess or j
Mack or j I j Mack. A long time ago,
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I left a voicemail that said, hey, it's JM on
the line. So a lot of them. Well, like when
I was like fifteen, I thought I was cool not
revealing my name on my voicemail because it's Jam on
the line. Leave a message after the beep. So my
friends never let that go. So every time they come
over there like JM on the line, what's up? Old school? Like,
you know, friends taking the piss out of me. Well,
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I've had j on the line on the line for
the past hours. Thank you so much for being on
the Wells cast. Your story is crazy and bonkers, and
it just seems like everything you touch kill. So congratulations
everyone out there. Make sure you go listen to yours
and friends and keep on the lookout for the new
record which is untitled but will be titled soon. I
can't wait to hear it. Man. I appreciate it Wells
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and genuinely. Man, really great interview, probably one of the
best I've done in many years, So kudos. I appreciate that. Hey,
is there anything that I didn't ask you that you
want to talk about and promote before? Like you go, No,
if you leave me on here longer, we're gonna keep
talking about I'm gonna go off and watch the rest
of it. Go do it. Man, Hey, great to meet you,
and thank you so much. You too, cheers. Well as
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appreciated man. Man, he just seems like every audition he
went to be booked, you know, and you can see,
like it's not surprising. He's good looking, obviously, he's just
super talented. Not to like keep on bringing Sarah into
the show, but she's the one of the most She's
the most talented version I'm around all the time, you know,
and she's just good at everything. Broadway kills it, Singing
kills it, Acting kills it. Being hot kills it. You know.
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That's what that guy is, which is amazing. But he hustles.
And that's the thing that I think that like a
lot of people forget about when it comes to success,
is that you can't put a price second. Hustle man, Like,
that's how you get ahead. You just crush and kill
and crush and kill and keep on going, you know,
and then when you're old and decrepit, you've got a
big old man account of sit back on the chill. Alright, guys.
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That does it for the Wells Cast this week. That
was a fun episode. Jesse's super cool dude loving this
new tune. Friends, go streaming or buy it or whatever
the hell you do with music these days, and don't
forget to uh rate and review you have and play
stores comments saying how great I am. If you have
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This is the Wells cast with Wells Adams and I
used to have been voicing that intro. Shout out to
Tori producer Toriy for voicing Paddy Totro and for all
that ship too. I was joking around with my my
other producer Amy, and I was like, let's just change
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the name of the show too, so you were on
the Mass Singer cast because that's what this is now.
Because that's what this is now. See that was my
audition for the next season in the Mass Singer. I
was thinking about it like, I would never go in
the Mass Singer because like Cassie, but actually other people
that that suck have gone on the shows. Maybe I can,
but I would want to be in control of my outfit.
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And do you remember the movie Dodgeball with Vince Vaughn.
Could you remember the scene where Vince Vaughn is playing
Dodgeball for the first time competitively. The average Joe's uniforms
come in, but they get the wrong uniforms and so
they all wear dominating Tricks uniforms. That's what I would
want to be. I don't want to be the submissive
and just really freak out. Ken Jong or maybe he
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be turned on, I don't know what would happen. I
was saying that someone would come in zip the mouth
clothes and I couldn't sing, you know, very excited about
today's episode. I was telling my fiance Sarah, who was
gonna be on. She was like, shut up. I had
a huge crush in the back in a day, which
makes total sense. And Scott he's married, so like, that's
just not I don't worry about, you know, on today.
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And by the way, thank god for the mass singer
because it's getting me so many cool freaking artists on
this show. Today, we're gonna have a guy who broke
into Hollywood in the late nineties. He was on a
little show called All My Children. Do you remember it? Yeah?
You do. His first three albums, Beautiful Soul, Right Where
You Want Me and Departure consecutively about in the top
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fifteen the Billboard Top two D singles Beautiful Soul, minted
Gold and Leaving Certified Platinum. Bro His collaboration spanned from
Tea Pain's Body Language to Ludicrous how do You Sleep
Along the Way? Performing arenas alongside Oh you Know, New
Kids in the Block the Backstreet Boys. In addition to
packing global headlining tours and hosting shows for both George W.
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Bush and Barack Obama. My boy is bipartisan. Your new
single out right now called Yours. While he's been in quarantine,
he's been making hilarious quarantine couple skits on Insta with
his fiance Katie. He's a part of Fox's new show
Celebrity Watch Party. And he was the turtle. I like
titles turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle, turtle on
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the Mass Singer. Everyone thought that Hunter Hayes, who was
on a couple of weeks ago, that he was the turtle.
No no, no no, no, no, no no, he was the astronaut.
Today's guests the turtle. So sit back and relax, and
ladies out there, if you're a child of the nineties,
get ready to be very excited because on the Wells
Cast today we have the multitalented jesse McCartney. You don't
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want to miss it. H alright, on the Wells Cast
now I have Jessie McCartney. How are you, buddy, I'm
doing well, Wells. How are you? I mean, I guess
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as good as you can do under these circumstances. Sure, sure,
of course, what can you do right? So far, we're
safe and sound. We have a roof over our head,
so we're very grateful in that regard. But yes, it
is a difficult time for I think a lot of people,
so we're trying to meet the best of it. I
had Hunter Haze on the show a couple weeks ago,
and he was saying that everyone thought that he was
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the Turtle, but in fact, no, sir, you are the Turtle.
Turtle Turtle Turtle on the mass singer, did you enjoy
your time singing in front of a bunch of people
when they didn't know who you were? Yes, I did.
It was it was a real thrill, you know, just
getting up there every single night. It was fun to
watch people try to figure it out, especially in the
early stages of the filming of that show, because the
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first few episodes before it aired were filmed, so before
anyone could really be on the internet trolling or guessing,
people were genuinely trying to figure it out live, which
was very exciting. And then I think once the first
few episodes aired, I think the die hard fans started
putting it together pretty quickly, just based on my physicality
and and such on stage that the people in the
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audience were like starting to scream out my name and
people would have to say, okay, all right, keep it
to yourself, you know, like keep your guesses to yourself.
But it was it was really fun. Said, we had
Hunter on, Brett Michael's, Paul Schaeffer, a bunch of people
who are actually singers on the show that we're also
part of the mass singer and then we've had a
bunch of people that weren't actually singers. You're used to
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getting on stage, and you're used to performing in front
of a bunch of people. What's more fun? Is it
more fun to be kind of like shrouded in mystery
performing for people, or is it more awesome to like
have everyone know who the hell they're looking at. It's
not that it's awesome that to have them know who
they're looking at. It's it's just awesome to not be
wearing an extra forty pounds of material on your back.
So while some artists, I'm sure we're loving being the
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disguise because maybe they're not professional performers and it gave
them a little bit of a barrier. In my case,
I was dying to rip that thing off because it
was just impeding on my ability and being able to
sing clearly and dance. Swell, um, you know, I was.
I love being on stage, so for me it was
actually more of a distraction in terms of my performing.
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How much does that thing smell inside? You actually be
surprised how well built those things are. They they ventilate,
They have like ventilation systems and some of them where
they have like fans going and they like are breathing,
so actually not too bad, and they're really good at
disinfecting and you know for breathing them. But um, you know,
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when you're in it for a couple hours at a time,
especially when the lights in the studio have been on
all night, it gets really hot. But to me, I
can take the heat. That wasn't really what bothered me.
It was the air, the oxygen. I actually felt like
because of the mask. You know, they had teeny baby
little breathing holes, but getting a full breath is just
not possible in that in that mask, which makes it
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all the more challenging when you're going to reach for
a big note. Uh So that was the one thing
that I didn't like about the costume. Who is your
favorite judge and who is your least favorite judge? Uh
no that I don't have a least favorite. They were
all I love. They all fit the there. They all
play their role so perfectly. They each bring, you know,
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their own sort of um special thing to the show.
Robin Thick is like you know, he's he's first of all,
He's definitely my my favorite as a as an artist
because I grew up listening to his music. He made
such an impact on me vocally and musically, so I
always looked up to Robin. So that was such a
big bucket list check every week. To be able to
sting in front of him was just so cool. Um,
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but they were all great. Man Ken could not stop
making jokes. Um. Jenny was a sniper. When it came
to think guessing who the person was, she was always right.
And Nicole just always had a way of relating to
every artist. She's very relatable when she would speak. So
they're they're all incredible. I didn't There wasn't one person
I didn't you know, enjoy listening to Did you have
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any control over your costume? Or they like, hey, listen
to you to the terrible That's just what it is.
They sent me a few, um, a few costumes in
the beginning of the show. One was one was like
a it's really ironic, but it was. It was a
bat um, which I don't think I actually have ever
told anybody. The first person one of the options was
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a bat which I'm so happy I didn't end up picking.
But then there was a turtle, and then there was
like there was another costume. It was Oh, they offered
me the rhino, which was maybe my second choice, but
it still looked very cumbersome. And what I liked about
the turtle it was that was that it was the
most um, the most sleak of all of them. From
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the pants down. It was just regular pants, leather pants
that you could walk and move around in, whereas some
of these outfits like the lama that Drew Carey was in.
I mean, he wasn't literally hit two legs sticking out
of his butt. I mean it was like you can't
dance in that kind of thing. So I actually had
one of the more comfortable costumes um, and that's what
I was going for, was comfort. Who in your circle
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knew you were doing this show? And I asked that
because everyone seems to think that my fiance is the kittie,
and I'm sitting here wondering maybe she is. And I like,
the rule is, you know, all how to tell anybody?
Did your fiance know you were doing this? She did,
she didn't. You lived together. She signed an n d A,
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and you know, she was one of maybe five or
six people on my team that signed the NBA, my
agents and my manager basically, But I mean, that was it.
I mean it was I was a lock of steel,
you know, Trapp Otherwise, my mom. I lied to my
own mother, my my brother, my sister, my family in
New York. All of my best friends were hitting me up.
I was so nervous about even going on social media
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for fear that I accidentally, like Common had something to
do with the Turtle or the Mass Singer. So I
was very I was on high guard, high alert. And
it was unbelievably stressful. I can't even imagine. You can't
even maag Like somebody was just out of the blue
be like, hey man, are you on the Mass Singer?
And you literally had to just flip a switch and
be like, dude, everybody keeps talking about that show. I've
never seen, you know, act my way out of I'll
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act my way out of it, but it was not
fun to have to hold on to that for so long.
Are you glad you did it? I really am, you know.
At first, I was very skeptical of like how this
was going to go. I'm like, do I really want
this living on the internet for the rest of my life?
It's completely ridiculous and in name, But ultimately it was
a real test of like what I feel like I'm
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capable of vocally and what I was able to achieve.
And I think what I proved to a lot of
people on the Internet who maybe I didn't know who
I was or skeptical of my vocal ability, and I
think it may be changed a lot of perceptions of me,
which is really the main reason I did it. That
and also to sort of cross promote my new album
I'm Dropping Uh It's coming out very soon, as well
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as the single, so it was you know, it was
overall was such a pleasure and everyone at Fox. It's
just so cool. They were such a great team and
the relationships that have been built there are stronger than ever.
So nice segue into the new stuff, new single Yours
and the new record coming out soon. Tell me about
this new project, Yours. Yeah. So the first single was
called Yours. The second single that I just released yesterday
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is called Friends and Uh. The single is is basically
an homage um you know uh, a love song to
all of my best friends, which you don't hear a
lot in pop music. You always hear about songs that
are intimate you know, or or heart heartbreak, or you know,
a breakup song. But this is just about your homies
and what it's like, you know, being being around your friends.
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For me personally in my life, my friends are as
important to me as my blood relatives in many ways. UM.
So it's a it's a fun summer bop that people
can jam out too. They'll be sick of it by
the fall. Uh. It's a two and a half minute banger,
and it's it's just a lot of fun. It's about
going out and just getting sauced with your friends and
uh and just having a good time. And I feel
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like it's a morale boost. I feel like everybody kind
of needs to hear that right now with everything going
on in the world, and for the rest of the record,
what people expect the album you Know Um is still
yet to be revealed in terms of the title because
we're I'm pretty sure I know what it is, but
we haven't decided when it's coming out, um, simply because
of this COVID thing where it's still all trying to
navigate what's happening with that and when I'm gonna tour.
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But I do anticipated coming out at some point this summer.
It's a full length LP. Most of the songs are
actually a little bit more intimate, reflective and talk about
what it's like being in this industry from the time
that I was a child growing up, how it's affected
all of my romantic relationships, how it's affected my family relationships,
that dynamic, what people, you know, the sacrifices I've had
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to make, all of the things that I've gotten out
of it, um. And so it's a very you know,
introspective album. It talks a lot about my my my
relationship with my new fiance that I've been with for
eight years. So it's a very personal album. I think
people are gonna really dig it. It's more singer songwriter based,
but Friends is a little bit of a get you
into the summer and let's get this party going nice.
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I mean, it makes total sense to kind of pump
the brakes on the LP release just because I'm sure
you want to tour behind it. You just don't know
what you're gonna be able to do in terms of touring,
So I think it's a smart way to go about
releasing stuff is kind of slowly and then see what happens. Well,
that's exactly it. Well, when you put out an album
and you want to go out and tour it immediately,
and I don't want to be putting it out and
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then you can't tour for another year. So I'm still
trying to figure out what to do there. Possibly I'll still,
you know, just keep releasing singles from it and so
I can release the full project. You know. Speaking of
your fiance, you guys have been doing some really funny
things on Instagram. Tell everyone about like your skits you're
doing on Insta. Yeah, So Katie and I, you know,
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Katie uh does a lot of comedy writing, and the
two of us when we're in a room together, all
we do is it and write jokes. So when we
got stuck in this quarantine, we started just writing these
sketches based on a couple just being stuck in a
house together driving each other nuts. Um, And I think
it was like, you know, it's the perfect timing and
it's relatable. It's really all the same things that everyone
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does with their partner in a in a house, um,
you know, from cooking to chewing too loudly, to fighting
over what show to watch, uh, to being in the
bathroom too long that those kind of things. Um, you know,
it's it's a perfect uh you know, it's a perfect
quarantine couple kind of relationship. Well, I don't know if
anyone told you the mission statement or the idea for
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this podcast, but I'm just kind of obsessed with like
how people got to where they are, understanding that story
and that journey, and then also like what's the blueprint
for other people out there trying to be successful in
their own right? And dude, you've been doing this for
a very very long time, and you've been doing a
lot of different things for a very very long time.
If you're cool with it, I'd love to kind of
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let go back and find how how it all started.
I mean, like you broke into Hollywood and the late
nineties with all my children, But were you doing stuff
before that? I was, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't even
say Hollywood in the late nineties because all my children,
while it was television, it was more of a daytime thing,
and it was actually filmed in Manhattan at the time.
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So I hadn't even moved to Hollywood until I was
about sixteen or seventeen. But prior to that, prior to
even All my children, which I think was in ninety nine,
you're right, ninety eight or ninety nine, late nineties, Prior
to that, I did a lot of feeder and I
was theatrically trained. I did a lot of Broadway on
and off Broadway, and in fact, my first performance was
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with my folks in a local community theater of about
five hundred seats UM in a little town called Irvington,
New York. It's a river town that runs up the
Hudson River just outside of Manhattan by about twenty five minutes.
And my folks were just both very musically and theatrically inclined.
My mom went to Juilliard, she went to u c.
L A. My father was a feeder major um in
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Rhode Island, and they met in Manhattan doing feed or
work together. They were both singers and songwriters. My mom
was a phenomenal dancer, and my dad had a beautiful,
like Irish tenor voice, and it was a family affair.
So when I came along, when they got married and
had me, they started just raising me in the musical
household that they were. They would sit around the piano,
play songs, teach me how to write a song, teach
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me how to sing, and at an early age, I
think that they found that I had relatively good pitch,
and so it was maybe just sort of like an
Irish traits that was in my blood and they sort
of helped me develop it from an early age, and
I quickly became in love with singing, and I had
that as something I could always hold onto. And eventually
somebody saw me play in a local production at that
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feeder and they were from the city, and they said, hey,
we just saw your son. We really love them. Would
you mind bringing him down to the to the city
for some actual Broadway auditions? And that's kind of was
the beginning of it all. Is it something that you've
set out and wanted to do, or is it it
was the only thing you knew because that's what your
parents were doing. It was a bit of both. I mean,
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my parents truly loved music and really love feeder um
and so you know how some families are die hard
sports fans where they're watching sports every single night there's
a new game on which you know, my father also
loved the Yankees and the New York Giants. Some families
encourage their kids to get involved with sports at an
early age and and uh competitive sports. My my family
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was you know, involved in getting me into theater and
as an extracurricular at a very young age. And they
always put an emphasis on education and making sure I
was you know, I had the proper schooling, but you know,
I think every kid needs some sort of guidance in
a direction at an early age, and they definitely gave
me the push. But I think once I realized that
I had some of the natural ability that I was given,
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that I was able to sort of develop it as
I got older, and the more that I saw people
returning with positive feedback, the more it motivated me to
be like, Okay, wow, maybe I should be doing this.
This is great. So it was a little bit of both.
Especially in the Broadway world, singing and acting aren't mutually exclusive,
but they are separate entities at that young age. Did
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you like one better than the other? Liked? Were you like,
I really like singing more than the acting thing, or
I like the acting thing, but um, you know I
can make more money in the thing and thing like?
What was the thought process and did you like one
bet and the other? Well? I think that came later,
and certainly the money thing didn't come at that age
at all. I wasn't even thinking about money. But um,
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I think what was great about what my What was
smart is that my parents, when they introduced me to
the theater, I knew it was an all encompassing thing.
So I had never thought that they were mutually exclusive.
I always thought, oh, if you're performer, you have to
do both. And so I quickly just lashed onto the
idea that you need to sing and you need to act.
And that was sort of the blueprint that I was getting.
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That was sort of my you know, that was the
world I knew. So when it came to audition for Broadway,
I was I was sort of armed and ready for
reading my scene and then sitting there and singing you know,
a song by Oliver Twist. You know, So it was
it was interesting and it wasn't until years later that
I started realizing, um, you know, my my love for
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pop music, popular music. I started falling in love with
Prince and Michael Jackson and TLC and Craig David and
started developing a taste for pop, R and B music.
And then all of a sudden, I was like, Hm,
you know, this is great. I want to do more
pop stuff. And I quickly sort of started deviating away
from the theater. I think a lot of kids when
they become preteens and teenagers, it's a natural thing for
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a lot of people, or at least for me, And
and yeah, it started just developing other interests. But um, yeah,
it's it's it's a wild it's a wild story. And uh,
I do now when I look back, I kind of
missed the theater. Now that I'm grown up, and I'm
looking back at some of the shows that are on
Broadway and I see the amazing talent coming from Broadway,
and I'm just it's something I would love to do
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again at some point in my life. So you're doing
community theater outside of New York, you get recruited to
come to Manhattan to do Broadway. That goes well, how
did you go from doing Broadway to jumping on to
all my children? Well, you can see my manager was
at the time I was signed of this, like she
was a this. I never forget her. She was such
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a character. She could have been a movie. You know,
she could have been in you know, there could be
a bio pick about her. But she was like this
woman from Long Island to talk like this. I won't
say a name because I'm not sure she might still
be living, although I'd be surprised. And she talked like this,
and every time she talked to you she said, okay,
saying you know, she was like this real caricature of herself.
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By the way, that's Joey from Friends manager. Well that's
who this person was. I mean she is. She is
the personification of what you think about when you think
of a old timer manager agent, you know, and so
so so she said, you know, I got this show.
It's a talk, it's a it's a it's a soap opera.
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And I think, you know, I know you've been doing
the feet of things, but I think you should try
this thing. And I was like, all right, cool, and
I was just so anxious and why that bushy tailed,
and I just was willing to try anything if if
it meant I got to perform. So even though there
was no music component, it was TV. And when you're
ten years nine, ten years old, you're like, oh, I
mean this is cool. I could be on TV. So
I went to the audition and I auditioned like everybody else,
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and I got the role, and all of a sudden,
now I was on a soap opera between the ages
of I think it was eleven or twelve to thirteen
or fourteen, And that was sort of like my introduction
into television. And then from there during my time that
two or three years on that show, I was nominated
for two Emmy Awards, And that was sort of the
beginning of like people calling them from l A and saying, hey,
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we like your kid, can you bring them out for
pilot season for prime time television? So that's kind of
like how that pivoted. Um, it was a whole snow
ball effect, you know. But it started with this later
because someone book her for the next episode. I want
to talk to her so bad. I'm like, So it's
not a it's not a big chunk of time between
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doing all my children and dropping the first record. Two
thousand four was when you released your first album. I'm
terrible with timeline timeline in general, but I do think that, yes,
it was. It was during all my children that I
was auditioning, like every child actor, like every kid that
was out there. I was auditioning for you know, shows
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and Broadway and television in New York and New York
at the time, especially television and film was limited. It
was more of a place you went for theater, whereas
l A was more based in you know, prime time
television and and and in cinema. So between soap opera
world or time, I auditioned for this boy band. They
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were doing like a cattle call for like the next
new boy band. And you gotta remember this is so
this is like peek in sinc Battery Boy era, and
and remember I told you, I was like, I was
developing this taste for pop music and R and B,
and so I was like, you know, I had bought
a couple of those Battery Boys albums, and I was like,
all right, cool, maybe I could do a boy man.
So I went in an audition and I got cast
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in a boy band. So now I'm in a boy
band while I'm shooting all my children, going to shooting
my you know, shooting my scenes after school, then going
to rehearsals for four hours after all my children and
being in the city until midnight, coming home, driving back
to me. Wests are going to school at eight am,
and then doing that every day for like three years
and rehearsing with this group, recorded an album, we got
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signed by Atlantic Records. We sold nearly a million albums.
This is back when you could literally fart and sell
two million records. And it was that was sort of
the beginning of the dream Street era. And and we
were on tour with Britney Spears and then we got
royally screwed over like most like some boy bands do.
The boy band thing fell apart. Uh, you know, in
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a matter of two years, two and a half years,
the producers walked away with a ton of money. We
saw nothing classic boy band story. And here I'm now
fourteen years old, and now I'm at this point where
the boy band's over again. Like this, there was somebody
who was like, you know, we want to develop you
maybe as a solo artist. And so then that and
then the story takes another left turn you're twelve, thirteen
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years old and you're hustling like a twenty eight year old.
I just think of like ship head wells at twelve,
you know, I was concerned about like making out with
Megan Johnson and figuring out a way to smuggle clothes,
you know, like I can't imagine the crazy amount of hustle.
Did you ever get exhausted? Yes, of course, But it
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also didn't mean that, like it didn't come with my
Megan Johnson and my um you know, my my cigarette smuggling.
Like I had moments like that too, where I was
just a normal, average teenager where my mom and dad
had to kick me in the ass, you know and
say like hey, like you can't do stuff like that.
So there it was totally balanced with a lot of
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just regular everyday stuff, and my parents tried very hard
to make sure that, you know, I finished, even up
until moving to Los Angeles. I came back to after
being on a hit show. I came back to New
York to graduate with my high school class. So my
parents were insisted insisted that I at least got my
high school diploma. I mean, they were very good at
trying to balance my life out with regular guy, regular stuff.
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But I did have just this overwhelming, um, just this
overwhelming passion for wanting to be great and wanting to
be somebody at an early age. And I think that
sort of superseded all of the other stuff that was
going on in my life. And I was willing to
give up maybe everyday stuff to have that. And it
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maybe was a little bit uh different than most twelve
year olds, but um, but trust me, I would slip
and fall down on my face like every twelve year
old kid too. Like it was a mixed mix of both.
Would you say it's more for you, it's more ambition,
Like there's many ways of becoming successful, but for me,
especially like in the entertainment industry, there's a lot of
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people who are just I can't say still, I gotta
go go, go, go go, you know, like a for momentum,
do this thing, let's do this thing. And then there's
also people who are just like, I love this. It's
not really work to me, this is just fun. I
love it. I love being on said, I love singing,
I love performing. Is there was there one or the
other or is it combined? Totally mine? I think anybody
who tells you it's only uh oh, I love every
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part of this is totally lying to your face because
there's so many unglamorous parts of this industry. Without question,
the highs are super high, the lows are really low,
the things are really nice that you get. I think,
ultimately what does drive me is my passion to be great,
my validation, respect from peers and people that I admire
and respect, you know, people like thick On, like the
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massing or like getting his approval on that show meant
more to me than just being on that show. So
to me, it was always about the drive and the
passion to be respected for or something that I'm doing well.
But you know that this is not to say that
like touring is a grind and sometimes I feel like
ship and I just want to go to bed and
not you know, do a show that night, or I'm
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sick and I have to do an interview. Look, I mean,
there's so many things that you know, but it's part
of the part of the deal. It's part of the package,
and that's kind of what comes with it. And I
think for any profession, there's there's something that you can
complain about, you know, but I try not to because Ultimately,
my life is pretty sweet. The irony has not lost
to me that, like, I'm one of those things that
you have to do as a part of this trying
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to avoid going down that road a little too far.
I'm actually thoroughly enjoying this interview, if you must know.
It's one of the better interviews I've given in a
very long time. So hats off to you. You know,
there's a lot of great things that go along with
being a singer and a songwriter and an actor. But
talking to your ass bro, I wanted to go back to, like,
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I mean, you came along at a time in which
things were crazy. You're touring alongside new kids in the
block and actually boys I assumed, Britney Spears and Christia
like later, do you have like crazy stories from that time?
There's one story I can think of that was really interesting.
During my years in Dream Street, we opened up for
Britney Spears for I can't really recall how many shows.
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It may have only been a few shows that we did,
and I believe they were in the Tri State area
because we were very popular within this like Tri State region.
But um, we did a show at it was either
like Madison Square Garden. I think it was or at
like Nassau Coliseum. It was a huge, huge venue. It
was Britney Spears in the nineties. And Justin Timberlake came
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backstage and he came into our dressing room because he
had heard of this new boy band called dream Street.
And he came back and he shook all of our hands.
And you know, when you're twelve thirteen, Justin Timberlake he's
like the godlike boy bander, right, he is the people
ever wont to look up to. And he was very
gracious and kind, and he sid shook all of our
hands and he gave us a little piece of advice.
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I don't even remember what he said, you know, he
was just trying to be cool and and I just
remember thinking, well, this is so awesome. And and then
he and he sat and he just kind of watched
our performance the entire time of like looking up at us.
So that's a little anecdote that I thought was fun.
I mean, I just remember thinking about that. And then
years later I would run into him in an award
show and he'd be like, man, I always knew you guys,
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and I'm like, you didn't know even know and I
was like, yeah, so so at a moment like that. Um,
There's been many moments like that, you know, where I've
run into people that I grew up loving or idolizing,
and all of a sudden, I'm sharing a moment with
them and it's just surreal, you know. Um, And it's crazy.
Now I feel like I'm at the age where there's
young artists coming up that that meet me and they're like,
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hey man, you don't understand, Like that's one of those
that beautiful soul albums, one of the first records that
got me into music, and now they have a budding career.
It's just funny to see it all come full circle. Um.
So yeah, when that happens, do you give those young
whipper snappers advice? Now, I don't like to be that guy,
and I don't be like, you know what you should
do is because it just feel like the like big
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timing people and I don't like that. If they asked,
I'll give him a little two cents, but you know,
I just I just give him a high five and
just say, hey man, keep keep doing you and stay
focused and four card and you're crushing it. You know.
I try to keep it lighting easy. I don't like
to be Mr. Wisdom year old kid who wants to
hear that when you're sixteen. Well, I would imagine you
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would have liked to have heard that from Justin Timberlake,
where he was like, hey, listen, this boy band thing
you're gonna get screwed over big time. Just so you know, well,
he was one of the boy bands that didn't get
screwed over. He ended up making tens of millions of
dollars before his solo careers. So, okay, so you start
the solo career and then what happened at that point?
I was probably seventeen, uh sixteen when I started recording
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Beautiful Soul. I moved out to Los Angeles for my
first pilot season, and during my first pilot season, I
booked a show which was originally called Immediate Family that
the w picked up and then changed the name to Summerland,
and that would become a big show on the w B.
During that time, my manager who's still my current manager,
was pitching a little demo that I had put together
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of a several songs UM on a CD and back
when you know member C, D and UM, and she
put together like a tape of me performing these solo
songs at a on stage, and because up Dream Street,
I had several three to five hundred people that would
show up to my solo show, so it was quite
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impressive to show a record company, Look, this kid's not signing.
He's already got like these screaming girls like coming after him.
This is a get like, you guys should sign him.
They did. It was a smart pitch. It was a
wise pitch. The songs were decent. One of the songs
was beautiful, soul, funny enough that we had recorded that
we found on a publishing service called Taxi. Out of
tens of thousands of songs, we find a number one record.
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The whole thing is unbelievable. And then we moved to
l A. I'm shooting the show. We pitched to Hollywood Records.
Jay Landers, who I think now works for Sony, he
heard it and he was like, I like this kid.
He reminds me of like the male Hillary Duff, who
was a huge thing at the time, and so they
signed me to a record deal. They signed me to
a three album deal, which at the time was like incredible.
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You can't get those kind of deals anymore. I signed
a record deal. We produced, We made the first album,
and Beautiful Soul, which was already becoming a hit on
Disney Radio, which is a M radio without being signed.
They were like, how does this kid on Disney with
a number one record on Disney without being signed to label.
They put some money into it on the on a
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grand scale, and Beautiful Soul became the song that it
it is and that it was and uh and the
rest sort of his history at that point musically, at
everything sort of just went from zero to sixty. So
within within a year, it was like, you know, I
was in everybody's living rooms, my high school friends now
like I was a junior in high school. When I
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moved to l A, all of them were like, hey bro,
And I'm like, what do you mean, hey bro? You
don't used to shove me to air about Hey bro.
I get out of here. And then you know, and
then I was traveling around the world. I had a
worldwide tour. I was going to Australia and Europe and
Italy and Japan and seeing places that like just a
year ago I was learning about in a textbook. That
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period was when I think the name Jesse McCartney went
from just like this kid who was in the theater
business and and working the young actor singer went from
there to sort of household name status. And that's like
that was kind of the beginning of of of what
people think of when they think of Jess McCartney. I
think they think of they think of me, they think
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of that time. You know, it seems like you've killed
every audition you've ever walked into. You know, there were
a lot in between that I completely fell flat on.
Trust me. It's not like there was only three auditions
and I booked everyone. There were several thousand auditions, and
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maybe there was a couple that I I was able
to squeeze out. It seems like you've done kind of everything.
You did Broadway, You've done scripted, You've done the singer out.
Is there anything that you haven't done that you want
to do? I mean, of course, there's more that I
haven't done that than there is that I've done. UM,
you know, in my in my mind, I mean, I
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certainly would like to start UM writing and producing UM.
Whether it's short form or long form content. I don't
really I'm not sure. I mean, I enjoy doing sketch
comedy quite a bit. The more that I get used
to it and do it, It's something that just feels
natural to me, and I'm getting a rhythm for especially
with Katie, who's a really talented writer. The two of
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us are a really good team. So I anticipate doing
more of that. When I look at things like Rudy
Mancuso doing you know, all those like social social media
guys that are crushing it at shots and all of
these like startup companies, that's something I really want to
get more involved with. And I would love to have
either an episodic or you know, um, a film that
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I've written myself and produce myself. That's something I'd still
love to do. So there's a lot still I want
to do also behind the camera in terms of production. Um.
But you know, it's one ft in front of the other,
and it's a it's as they said on the mass there,
it's a very slow and steady climb, and I'm just
you know, I'm constantly trying to educate myself and learn
new things so that I can get good at them,
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you know, And I think that's like that's really all
it it is. It's just like constantly trying to teach
yourself new things so that you know, if you have
a little bit of natural ability, you can apply it
to the fundamentals of whatever it is that you're doing.
If someone came to you and said, hey, listen, you
only get to do one thing for the rest of
your life in terms of work, what would you choose.
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In terms of work, it was going to be pizza.
But in terms of work, I would say, uh oh man,
I would say live performance. I mean that I that
will never I'll never lose, And it probably comes from
my Broadway days, but like, I will never nothing will
ever come close to the feeling that you get when
you perform in front of a live audience, and that
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immediate reaction and gratification that you get when they do react.
You hear it a lot from like um, some of
my favorite comedians like Jerry Seinfeld and Maniscalco and some
of the top guys. You hear them say it. There's
just nothing can bet. I don't care how successful your
TV show is or your movie is, and you perform
on a live stage, it's really the ultimate high. And
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so I think if somebody held a gun to my
head and said you only get to do one thing forever.
It would be just to perform music live on stage.
Tell us about Celebrity Watch Party. Now, that's a funny show.
It's basically my fiance and I sitting on our couch
doing what we've already been doing for the last two
and a half months, which is just binge watching television
(35:49):
and cracking jokes and commentating on what we're watching, which
is perfect for us because we get to riff, we
get to make fun of each other and make fun
of what we're watching, and we get to sit our
ass on the couch. So it's perfect. Do you ever
do Bachelor in Paradise because I need to watch it
if you do, see, I don't even is that another?
Is that like a reality show? Yes, it's and it's beautiful.
You need so when it comes back, I need you
(36:10):
to do it for that show. Yeah. Well, Katie got
me into ninety Day Fiance oh man before the ninety
Days for the ninety Days Real Bro with but she
but but I tuned in for season four. I didn't
watch the first three seasons I turned in for like
The Big Dude Ed and The Filipino Girl Rose. Yeah, man,
(36:31):
that it's just the most it's the most incredible television
is ripening stuff. But but so why is it before
the ninety days? What's after the ninety days? Do they
actually do another show after the ninety days? Yeah? I
think like there's another show. I haven't seen either, But
Sarah and I were talking about this, like what what
is the next show? So I guess the next show
is like it's actually them um like together, like they're
(36:54):
married or whatever. That that that ninety days of recording
is the most fun because it's like, what do I
do with this guy? And he's like, how what do
I do? She doesn't love me, She just wants to
be She wants a card, she wants a visa or
a green card. That's to me the best part of
the show anyway. Yeah, dude, it's uh. I don't watch
a lot of reality food she shows, but that is
one she's turned me onto and we're thoroughly enjoying it.
(37:17):
Was your mind blown when Lana was real. That's when
I was like, oh my god, David's the girlfriend that
he's been talking to on chat forever. Oh you know
what I didn't get to. My mind is blown though.
Right now the last episode I saw. I got distracted
with Defending Jacob, which is a great show, but the
last one I saw is that he went there. He
(37:40):
sat at the table with the rose and the champagne,
just the saddest display of you know, denial. And then
he goes home and it's like his friend picks him up.
So you're telling me that that girl is real. He
goes back a fifth time. You gotta go. I'm gonna
let you go now because you have to go watch
the rest of this because it's gonna get crazy. And
(38:01):
then there's also Usman who who's Soldier Boy, but the
Nigerian version shows great. Hey, before I lets you go,
do you have time to do rapid Fire Questions? Of course?
Okay um I love how like we just put on
what a really weird detour into rapid Fire Questions with
Jessi McCarney. The number one favorite pizza topic, davorite pizza topping, Pepperoni,
(38:24):
favorite book Kitchen Confidential? Nice biggest mentor I'm gonna say,
Will Smith, who's your first kiss? A girl named Sam?
Seventh grade celebrity? You get mistaken for Frankie Munez. Really
I get Frankie Munez from time to time, which is funny.
I've also gotten Aaron Carter and I've also gotten and
Jessie McCartney and there and yeah and once right, who
(38:46):
would you call to get you out of jail? I
guess Katie. It depends on what you do. I suppose, yeah, exactly.
One thing that's always in your fridge fresh fruit. Do
you believe in soulmates? Yeah? Who is your celebrity crush
growing up? And for love Hewitt, I like that one.
Do you have a nickname? And if you do, what
is it? My friends just calling me jess or j
Mack or j I j Mack. A long time ago,
(39:08):
I left a voicemail that said, hey, it's JM on
the line. So a lot of them. Well, like when
I was like fifteen, I thought I was cool not
revealing my name on my voicemail because it's Jam on
the line. Leave a message after the beep. So my
friends never let that go. So every time they come
over there like JM on the line, what's up? Old school? Like,
you know, friends taking the piss out of me. Well,
(39:28):
I've had j on the line on the line for
the past hours. Thank you so much for being on
the Wells cast. Your story is crazy and bonkers, and
it just seems like everything you touch kill. So congratulations
everyone out there. Make sure you go listen to yours
and friends and keep on the lookout for the new
record which is untitled but will be titled soon. I
can't wait to hear it. Man. I appreciate it Wells
(39:50):
and genuinely. Man, really great interview, probably one of the
best I've done in many years, So kudos. I appreciate that. Hey,
is there anything that I didn't ask you that you
want to talk about and promote before? Like you go, No,
if you leave me on here longer, we're gonna keep
talking about I'm gonna go off and watch the rest
of it. Go do it. Man, Hey, great to meet you,
and thank you so much. You too, cheers. Well as
(40:11):
appreciated man. Man, he just seems like every audition he
went to be booked, you know, and you can see,
like it's not surprising. He's good looking, obviously, he's just
super talented. Not to like keep on bringing Sarah into
the show, but she's the one of the most She's
the most talented version I'm around all the time, you know,
and she's just good at everything. Broadway kills it, Singing
kills it, Acting kills it. Being hot kills it. You know.
(40:32):
That's what that guy is, which is amazing. But he hustles.
And that's the thing that I think that like a
lot of people forget about when it comes to success,
is that you can't put a price second. Hustle man, Like,
that's how you get ahead. You just crush and kill
and crush and kill and keep on going, you know,
and then when you're old and decrepit, you've got a
big old man account of sit back on the chill. Alright, guys.
(40:52):
That does it for the Wells Cast this week. That
was a fun episode. Jesse's super cool dude loving this
new tune. Friends, go streaming or buy it or whatever
the hell you do with music these days, and don't
forget to uh rate and review you have and play
stores comments saying how great I am. If you have
bad comments, you stop doing, you know, keep my favorite guys,
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