September 7, 2023 • 26 mins
Josh is on the road, sans microphone. Thankfully, producer Lyra records all her phone calls. This episode of What Future Is lo-fi and stressed for time. What could go wrong? Discussed: Karens, catcalling, Blackberry
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hello, Lyra, Yes, Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I have some sort of bad news. Are you sitting
Are you sitting down always? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Really, that's weird. Always sitting down.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That seems like I'll be honest, that seems like too much.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Sitting at my desk, come at work.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not
a physician. I'm not a physical therapist. I'm not even
a chiropractor, although I think I could be with a
minimal amount of training.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
From what I understand. But anyhow, I am in a
hotel room.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I've been traveling and I did not bring I'm so dumb.
I'm so very stupid that I didn't bring any of
my recording equipment. And so I don't know if if
we can do this via phone call, but I offer
to you the opportunity, frankly, the gift really to do
(01:14):
this pod, this episode of What Future via the telephone
is that? Is that an an?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, you know what's incredible is that I had a
feeling and I've been recording this whole call.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You're recording.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not
going to be able to I mean I sort of
and I feel like I gave hinted.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
At least it is you're spoiling to magic.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, I don't want to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, is that a little too I feel like
that's a little too fortuitous that you have to be recording.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, we plan to record this. No, sorry, no fun.
Nobody gets to have any fun.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Fine, Okay, you're a genius.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You knew I was gonna fucking not have my mic
with me, and you decide to record this, and it's
all my fault. Yeah, that this is going to sound
slightly less good than the other podcast I do.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's kind of fun to have a phone call.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone.
I love talking, actually, and I wish I could do
more of it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I wish all I could do is talk. I wish
I just had to talk.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around,
like the talking had to exist, like you know, after
I talk. I don't want to have to execute on
any of the things I've said. You know, in business,
a lot of the time I'll be like we should
do X, you know, and then people are like, that's
a great idea, and then I have to go do it.
You know what would be great is if it were
like we should do X, and then I just can leave,
just walk away, and it just happens. I suppose that's
(02:51):
like what people at the very top do. Like Jeff Bezos,
He's like, why don't He's like, why don't we make
a book? And they're like, all right, Jeff, and then
they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever seen
the first kindle? It?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I remember when people had it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But it's a completely deranged looking device. I mean, first off,
it is. The design of it is completely weird. It's
super angular, It has a keyboard, uh you know, it
has a weird strip, a thing that's like a strip
that you use to scroll on it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's a bizarre device.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said that
and then he left the room and Noboby.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
People are like, will you just do whatever?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Anyhow?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I didn't, But when when I was at the when
I was, you know, running the Verge. Actually, not that
long after we started it, we had a writer of
ours write a huge story about sort of the rise
and fall of BlackBerry, which was that what BlackBerry is
no I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe
it is. Actually I don't know. I haven't seen it.
(03:58):
Maybe they've stolen the wholesale see from our story, but I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Think it says it's based on a book on a book.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to hear so.
I've heard a lot of people say it's good, and
I'm surprised. I have to admit, it's the kind of
movie that I looked at and I was like, this.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Will not be a good movie. No one wants to
see this movie.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it because I'm
a huge fucking nerd. But I've heard, on more than
one occasion from more than one person who isn't necessarily
a huge fucking nerd, that it's very entertaining.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's a critical.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Darling, is it?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Who could have seen that coming? I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I mean I like J.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Baruchell Brukel Baruke him and Glenn Howardton.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
See the thing that bothers me is that he J. J.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Brukews.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That's how I say it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's
super young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in
the scenes I've seen from the trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
That's true, And.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's
supposed to be an older guy because he looks like
he's like seventeen.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap two is pretty silly.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you know, what's going
on in the world, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The summer's dead,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But then you know, it's funny because God, you know
who I believe in, and is definitely controlling the weather.
God had other plans for us, you know, you thought
you know that, you know the famous they famously say,
you may be done with the past, with the past
is done with you. That's sort of how I feel
about the weather. You know, you may be done with
the weather, but the weather is not done with you.
(05:35):
And we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's time to experience.
Well you didn't think this because you live in Los Angeles,
so for you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but
or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer. But
here on the East Coast, where the elites live, where
the elite, the educated elites live and operate, where all
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of the elites control all of the world's banking and
and higher education institutions. Anyhow, it's very hot now, you know,
it's hot. It's very warm. And you know, people say
it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe they're right,
you know, maybe those people are onto something.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather?
I mean, it is interested, you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you
might discuss, is it is kind of important? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Do I have to admit that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, I think one has to admit the weather
is as especially as of late, very interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Okay, that is true. I did spend a lot of
time reading about the hurricane.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we
even consider the wildfire's weather? Are they their weather related? Right?
I mean the wildfires are happening because of like dry heat, right.
So you know New York was like covered in a
red smog for like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside.
And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon. I think
that's like worth talking about anyhow. The point is the
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weather is a topic that people can talk about. It's
certainly something that's been on my mind right now. It's
it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing at me.
This is all very serious and important to uff. It's
eighty not no, I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The idea of offering weather as a topic.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I just think they've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval, Yeah,
saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval
on the topic of the weather is a conversation.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But you know what, it's nice and reassuring because people
often talk down about it as a topic.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I think we go through life not being entirely sure
of ourselves about a lot of things. And I think
sometimes you might bring up the weather and you start
talking about it, and then that little voice inside your
head that talks to you while you're talking.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Does everybody have that? I certainly do.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It starts to go, starts to go. Man, this sounds
fucking stupid, and you sound like the most boring person
in the world talking about like that it's going to
rain later today or whatever. But I think people need
to be they need to be reassured, and they need
to know that it's okay and that that voy is wrong.
That voice is the only time that voice is right
is when it tells you to kill people because you
(08:06):
need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you
should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And uh,
you know, have.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You I'm curious have you had any epiphanies lately?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Epiphanies? A weird question have you had any any epiphanies lately?
Is like have any miracles happened to you recently? That's
like like have you win the lot Have you won
the lottery recently? Because had any miracles happen? No, I
would say my life recently has been a series of
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reverse miracles, uh whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged tragedies,
miniature tragedies, little micro tragedies, which is a new thing
that I just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it
is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal, but
it's not that big of it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's like what I some I've said this before at
work because I didn't want people to panic. But instead
of saying I have a family emergency, I've said I
have a family urgency.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh that's nice, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I like to tell people I have a family emergency,
like even if it's not really an emergency, just to
see what kind of reaction I get out of them.
I'd like to see, like, I'd like to see how
they Some people want to Some people will engage with that.
Some people are like, I got to get how do
I get out of this as quickly as possible?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
What's your favorite reaction? What do you want them to do?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I want people to I want to see concern. I
want to see people have that face like you know,
they don't know what it is. It could be a death,
It could be a car.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Accidents a word for this.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It could be marital distress. It could be your parents
are bothering you. It could be your parents somebody your
parents are sick, somebody's in the hospital. It could be
your child, is something wrong with your child, whatever it is,
it's terrible when you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Say family emergency.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It could be somebody in your family is a terrible
alcoholic and you have to do an intervention.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes
through your mind when somebody says family emergency.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think death?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Death. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
See, I don't think they'd say that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think they'd say I had a death in the family,
or they'd say my uncle died or.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Someone or someone is dying.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I guess like a family emergency, I guess you could
say that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I guess that was just my last My last family
emergency was somebody was passing away.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Right, passing away.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think that's an interesting term, passing away. I think
it's too soft of a term. I think we should
confront death directly. I think passing away sounds like actually
pretty pleasant, Like they passed away, you know, they floated
off into the ether. You know. One of the things
when you in journalism, you're not supposed to write in
like a headliner or a story like somebody passed away.
That's like this weird editorializing about death. Right, you're supposed
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to say they died. Like you look at the New
York Times. They don't write so and so passed away.
They write so and so died. That's the journalistically sound
way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right,
there's just no it's funny. I'm talking about death earlier
with someone I was saying. I was talking to a
friend of mine and she was something that she had
bought a very expensive bag and then decides to return
it and then couldn't return it. And she was like,
(11:05):
why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh,
because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you know.
And then I went into this whole spiel about it.
And I can't remember some very important philosopher I was
talking about this or I was reading it. You know
that everything that we do in life, literally everything is
like basically an attempt at diverting our attention away from
the inevitability of death. And like every literally everything, like
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the way we form societies, like having kids, like buying
a bag, you know, doing whatever, it's all and you know,
it kind of checks out, like like it checks out
to me, Like I think no one wants to sit
around and think about their demise. They want to be
like I need new shoes, or I should have a
child or whatever people think. I don't know. I don't
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know what people think because I'm not I'm not in
that group. I'm not in the group of people. I'm
outside that group. I'm pressed up against the glass looking
at the people, wondering what are the people doing? And
I'm on the other side. Who's with me?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's a weird scene. Actually, where am I? Why is
there glass there at all? A lot of unanswered questions
in this scenario. But the point is, I guess I
don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans
lately the way I used to. You know, do you
ever feel that?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I mean I feel like you feel alienated from humanity
and society.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, pretty often.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling. I don't know anyhow.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot. Death is imminent
and upon us everywhere. Now that I think of it,
should we pause? Of course? I never listened to the show,
But what I've been told is that the show has
commercial breaks in it. So do we need to stop
and then start again?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think so, and we should do that. I had
an epiphany recently.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies.
Let me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I
I had. I have not had my No, I've had
no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind has been very
cloudy lately, very very muddled, very unable to discern answers.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
But tell me about your epiphany.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So I was at Starbucks, okay, and a woman came in.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She was.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Of the Karen ilk Oh Karen. You know she physically,
you know, appeared as a Karen.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts
or something or you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Know, close close to you know, I tense stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, okay, she came in.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
She came in hot, She walked straight to the register.
She had something to say, and I kind of like.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know, you're like, here we go.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, she was like I called, I got big long thing.
She had a big order. She you know, had expectations
and she was laying it all out. And the young
man said, oh, Susanne, yeah, I remember you something something,
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and the woman's face, like her entire demeanor melted away,
and she said, you remembered my name. And I realized
that when young white women are you know, young, pretty
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prime of their life, attractive, they get all this special attention.
Pretty privileged guys remember their names they use it in conversation.
They get this kind of you know, this this little perk.
These they get these talks all.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The time, yeah perk, And they get them.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because it's just nothing that they've done. It's just the
way they look. Because you know, we.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Live in a culturist society.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
We have our white privileged society that is exacerbated when
you're a young pretty girl, right, and as they get
older and they lose those special young white girl privileges,
people in service especially aren't like meeting their expectations.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They harden.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You're saying, this causes them to.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Harden, and they get upset and they're not even necessarily
mad at the person. They're mad that like they've lost
this thing that they could never quite put their finger on.
They've always been given this special treatment and now it's
gone and they're mad. And I think that's how a
Karen is born.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had. You think you've
got to solve the Karen riddle. I mean that is interesting. Yeah,
I mean I think there's something interesting about that theory.
I mean, obviously there are societal forces that act on
a Karen to create that. You know, it's not just
born out of nothing. I do have to wonder if
it's not more a manifestation of a sense of entitlement
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generally than a specific losing of that entitlement, although it
does kind of it does kind of map to what
you're saying, in the sense that, like, if you've been
treated special because you're like, you know, even like a
reasonably attractive young white woman or whatever people are, you know,
society has been arranged to kind of like be especially
nice to you, and then suddenly you're not that anymore.
You've aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged
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and they now have been perhaps getting a treatment that
doesn't feel as special. I guess that could bring that
entitlement out of the person further.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm the kind of person who rarely, if ever feel
entitled to anything. And you know, when I was dating,
I would ask the girl if I could kiss her,
you know, and I wouldn't just make a move. I
wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like I'm going to
and fucking just do it because the moment has struck me.
I'd be like, is this okay? Like I don't know,
it seems like I should, but it's like in the moment,
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i'd be like, before I do this, just one quick.
I'm not like mister consent or anything. I'm not trying
to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just saying like
I'm not saying I'm not mister.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Not mystery, I'm mister.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh my god, I
got to get the verbal yet, you know. It's just
more like I don't know. This could go bad, Like
this person could really not want me to kiss them.
So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I
think of entitlement, I think of like somebody was telling
me a story the other day about about somebody they
worked with who was like sexually harassing them and sending
them these like crazy messages, and I was like, you know,
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there was like this slightly older man, you know, sending
these messages to a woman. And I was like, and
it was a getting completely inappropriate, totally out of context,
totally like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I was like, I don't, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I can't not tap into the sense the feeling that
I could just do that to a person, that there
was any reason why I would do that. I find
it unusual to feel like the idea that you know,
it's like, I mean, I've taught people told me, when
women have told me they're like, oh yeah, like guys
little like grab my ass on the street or something.
I'm like, that's crazy to me. That seems crazy, But
it is interesting. I guess the flip side perhaps or
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some part of that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of entitlement,
it's the kind of male privilege entitlement about how they can.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Be with women.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But in a way you're saying that Karen is the
inverse to that. It is the reaction to the losing
of some part of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's
all nothing, all like harassment. No, but but there is
a but there is a an element to that treatment
that is like because they are young and pretty and
white often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual,
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but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of wanting to
win favor with sex pretty lady, yeah, sex appeal.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less fun epiphany.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But Siah, exactly what you're talking about here, lay it on.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Me as soon as I became an actual adult, like
my frontal lobe finish developing. Yeah, cat calling dropped ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Really, and I had.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I've been physically assaulted, I've had you know, the guys
grab your ass et cetera, like random guys on the street.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I've had. I've lived all of that.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, and once I became like an adult who could
be like a consenting adult to this, you know, I
mean it's we all know what it is. They're just
being predatory. They don't actually want to find a woman
who's like turned on by that and wants sex with
them in return. But but no, once you become an
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adult adult, men stop this. Like what we now know
is like a charade of.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little girls.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say
you think it's that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's maturity that now is like that's no longer appealing
to that particular strain of dude. Or is it that
your demeanor change in a way that made you less
that made them less likely to respond like that? No?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, no, when you're a young girl, your demeanor is fear,
or at least for me, you know. It's like it's
not like I was walking around Nightmare at like sixteen
and that's why they went for me. It's like, no,
I looked terrified.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let me be clear, sorry, let me.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Did I look tough once I got old?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah, that you
got you toughened up as you got older, and it
was less, you know, it was like more intimidating to
the guys who might who might otherwise, you know, respond
that way to somebody who's younger. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Now, I've been wearing like four layers of winter clothes
in a blizzard and had a guy yell at me.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
From his Interesting, that's interesting, That's what you know. Something.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I was walking down the street the other day speaking
of cat calling, and there were these two very good
looking guys walking together, and a guy came by on
a bike and he was like, oh yes, daddy. He's
like yes to both of you daddies, like literally just
like that as he cruised by, and I was like,
first of all, I was like, for a second when
he said oh yes, daddy, I was like, is he
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talking to me for just one little moment, I was like,
is this guy hitting on me on his city bike?
He wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men walking past me,
but two guys who were definitely daddy in question anyhow.
But I have never been fucking cat called. I have
no idea what the experience is like. It'd be different
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for me than it is for you. Obviously. Even if
it were a big burly man and I got cat called,
I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I have to say,
I feel because I'm not walking around it. I haven't
walked around in fear of predators my whole life, obviously.
You know, maybe I don't even said this before on
the podcast. I don't know, I just think it would
be nice, you know, Like, I don't know what it's like.
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I'm a you know, as a man, and you know,
I wouldn't sound like a John Hamm type of guy.
You know, I'm not like a Brad Pitt, you know,
I'm not a I'm more like a.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm more like a.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I don't know, like a Jene Wilder kind you know,
more Gene Wilder kind of character. You know. Uh So,
I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively
sexually pursue me, and uh, I'm not complaining, Well maybe
I am. I mean, I guess it sounds like it
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could be scary. Obviously for a woman, it sounds like
a horrible experience. Wilder, it might be a very nice experience.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
They're not actually sexually pursuing you. They are trying to
scare you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I like how I like how you're you seem a
little at Matt, like agitated about the fact that these
guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their on
their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, if if it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Was, then it would it wouldn't mean that they were
like targeting vulnerable populations.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario where
somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over
here or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but
maybe something like that, and then the woman's like all right,
and then they're like, hey, like what are you doing
Friday night? And you think that, like, is that's a
thing that might happen. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I have seen actually I've seen a woman do that
on the subway to a man and get his number.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I have seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Of course a woman can do it. A woman has
followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I do think that that would be a better
than what it actually is. But you've got to go
and we can talk about this.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I had to have to go, But I think to recap,
it's hot, it's summer's not over. You may be through
with the with the summer, but the summer is not
through with you. Cat Calling is largely bad unless you're me,
in which case he would be a compliment and a
wonder for pleasure to experience. I just want to make
sure I've got all of it. Oh and the BlackBerry
movie is pretty good and I should check it out.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, that was a great round.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know,
I have a lot to think about.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh, well, you know Karens.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your grand unified theory of Karens,
which I think is actually perhaps the most important takeaway
from this show, is that you have solved You actually
have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens. From
being produced in society, which is, we need to be way, way,
way nicer to women, no matter what age they are
and no matter how they look. We should be nice
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to women and help them out and remember their names.
In fact, I'll just expand that to people. We should
be nice to people and remember who they are and
treat them with kindness and respect, and then nobody will
become an entitled maniac who yells at a target employee
because she has to wear a mask.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
We should treat all people with kindness and respect, regardless
of their physical.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Appearance, unless they have a swastika tattoo.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, yeah, that's the one exception, unless they're like a
one of these guys with the swastika tattoo who's.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now seen the error of their way formed and his reform.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black people like.
Because if that person, we should embrace and say you
did it. You've you've overcome your your bad upbringing or
whatever cause you to become an autot.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Do you want to wish anything to the listeners?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up
in a situation. What I'd say is, like you know
obviously you.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Know I'm seeing up your sign off.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show.
We'll be back next week with more What Future, and
I won't be on the phone, but what I might
and I what I wish for people is is is
not the very best, but I my wish is that
they they never end up in a situation where they
have to record a podcast and they they've left their
podcast microphone at home because it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley
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an amateur hour. And and I wouldn't want anybody to
have an egg on their face quite the way I
do right now. Is that an expression egg on your
face is not a thing that people say.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Huh huh.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay. I would like to explore that for the next
episode of What Future, I'd like to do a deep.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Dive on the egg on your face expression and what
it really means.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Okay, great, Okay, goodbye bye.
Hello, Lyra, Yes, Josh.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I have some sort of bad news. Are you sitting
Are you sitting down always? Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Really, that's weird. Always sitting down.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That seems like I'll be honest, that seems like too much.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Sitting at my desk, come at work.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not
a physician. I'm not a physical therapist. I'm not even
a chiropractor, although I think I could be with a
minimal amount of training.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
From what I understand. But anyhow, I am in a
hotel room.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I've been traveling and I did not bring I'm so dumb.
I'm so very stupid that I didn't bring any of
my recording equipment. And so I don't know if if
we can do this via phone call, but I offer
to you the opportunity, frankly, the gift really to do
(01:14):
this pod, this episode of What Future via the telephone
is that? Is that an an?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Well, you know what's incredible is that I had a
feeling and I've been recording this whole call.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You're recording.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I did tell you that I was maybe not
going to be able to I mean I sort of
and I feel like I gave hinted.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
At least it is you're spoiling to magic.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, I don't want to stay.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I mean, is that a little too I feel like
that's a little too fortuitous that you have to be recording.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay, we plan to record this. No, sorry, no fun.
Nobody gets to have any fun.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Fine, Okay, you're a genius.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You knew I was gonna fucking not have my mic
with me, and you decide to record this, and it's
all my fault. Yeah, that this is going to sound
slightly less good than the other podcast I do.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's kind of fun to have a phone call.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I love having phone calls. I love talking on the phone.
I love talking, actually, and I wish I could do
more of it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I wish all I could do is talk. I wish
I just had to talk.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I wish that none of the other stuff that goes around,
like the talking had to exist, like you know, after
I talk. I don't want to have to execute on
any of the things I've said. You know, in business,
a lot of the time I'll be like we should
do X, you know, and then people are like, that's
a great idea, and then I have to go do it.
You know what would be great is if it were
like we should do X, and then I just can leave,
just walk away, and it just happens. I suppose that's
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like what people at the very top do. Like Jeff Bezos,
He's like, why don't He's like, why don't we make
a book? And they're like, all right, Jeff, and then
they make the kindle you're seen. Have you ever seen
the first kindle? It?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I remember when people had it.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But it's a completely deranged looking device. I mean, first off,
it is. The design of it is completely weird. It's
super angular, It has a keyboard, uh you know, it
has a weird strip, a thing that's like a strip
that you use to scroll on it.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's a bizarre device.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Anyhow, Bezos maybe it's like that because he said that
and then he left the room and Noboby.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
People are like, will you just do whatever?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Anyhow?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That's did you watch the BlackBerry movie?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I didn't, But when when I was at the when
I was, you know, running the Verge. Actually, not that
long after we started it, we had a writer of
ours write a huge story about sort of the rise
and fall of BlackBerry, which was that what BlackBerry is
no I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe
it is. Actually I don't know. I haven't seen it.
(03:58):
Maybe they've stolen the wholesale see from our story, but I.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Think it says it's based on a book on a book.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, I haven't seen it, but I'm surprised to hear so.
I've heard a lot of people say it's good, and
I'm surprised. I have to admit, it's the kind of
movie that I looked at and I was like, this.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Will not be a good movie. No one wants to
see this movie.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean, I can imagine myself enjoying it because I'm
a huge fucking nerd. But I've heard, on more than
one occasion from more than one person who isn't necessarily
a huge fucking nerd, that it's very entertaining.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
It's a sleeper hit, it's got good. It's a critical.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Darling, is it?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Who could have seen that coming? I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I mean I like J.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Baruchell Brukel Baruke him and Glenn Howardton.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
See the thing that bothers me is that he J. J.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Brukews.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
That's how I say it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It looks like he's wearing. He just looks like he's
super young. But he's wearing a gray wig like in
the scenes I've seen from the trailer.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
That's true, And.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's like kind of bothers me because it's like, because's
supposed to be an older guy because he looks like
he's like seventeen.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, Glenn Howardton's bald cap two is pretty silly.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, anyhow, so I don't know, you know, what's going
on in the world, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Summer's over, right, I mean, that's it. The summer's dead,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But then you know, it's funny because God, you know
who I believe in, and is definitely controlling the weather.
God had other plans for us, you know, you thought
you know that, you know the famous they famously say,
you may be done with the past, with the past
is done with you. That's sort of how I feel
about the weather. You know, you may be done with
the weather, but the weather is not done with you.
(05:35):
And we all thought, hey, summer's over, it's time to experience.
Well you didn't think this because you live in Los Angeles,
so for you, it's always summer, which is wonderful, but
or horrible, depending on how you feel about summer. But
here on the East Coast, where the elites live, where
the elite, the educated elites live and operate, where all
(05:55):
of the elites control all of the world's banking and
and higher education institutions. Anyhow, it's very hot now, you know,
it's hot. It's very warm. And you know, people say
it's boring to talk about the weather, and maybe they're right,
you know, maybe those people are onto something.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Anyhow, So what is there to talk about the weather?
I mean, it is interested, you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Have to admit, I mean, of all the things you
might discuss, is it is kind of important? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Do I have to admit that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, I think one has to admit the weather
is as especially as of late, very interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Okay, that is true. I did spend a lot of
time reading about the hurricane.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, And I don't know, I don't know do we
even consider the wildfire's weather? Are they their weather related? Right?
I mean the wildfires are happening because of like dry heat, right.
So you know New York was like covered in a
red smog for like multiple days. You couldn't breathe outside.
And you know, that's a pretty interesting phenomenon. I think
that's like worth talking about anyhow. The point is the
(06:59):
weather is a topic that people can talk about. It's
certainly something that's been on my mind right now. It's
it's ninety. I don't know why you're laughing at me.
This is all very serious and important to uff. It's
eighty not no, I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
The idea of offering weather as a topic.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I just think they've heard.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh you think you don't think they need buy approval, Yeah,
saying I don't need to put my stamp of approval
on the topic of the weather is a conversation.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
But you know what, it's nice and reassuring because people
often talk down about it as a topic.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I think we go through life not being entirely sure
of ourselves about a lot of things. And I think
sometimes you might bring up the weather and you start
talking about it, and then that little voice inside your
head that talks to you while you're talking.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Does everybody have that? I certainly do.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It starts to go, starts to go. Man, this sounds
fucking stupid, and you sound like the most boring person
in the world talking about like that it's going to
rain later today or whatever. But I think people need
to be they need to be reassured, and they need
to know that it's okay and that that voy is wrong.
That voice is the only time that voice is right
is when it tells you to kill people because you
(08:06):
need to do Satan's bidding. That's the only time you
should ever listen to that voice, in my opinion, And uh,
you know, have.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You I'm curious have you had any epiphanies lately?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Epiphanies? A weird question have you had any any epiphanies lately?
Is like have any miracles happened to you recently? That's
like like have you win the lot Have you won
the lottery recently? Because had any miracles happen? No, I
would say my life recently has been a series of
(08:40):
reverse miracles, uh whatever, whatever. Those would be called traged tragedies,
miniature tragedies, little micro tragedies, which is a new thing
that I just invented. It's like a microaggression, but it
is happening. It's happening to you, and it's personal, but
it's not that big of it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's like what I some I've said this before at
work because I didn't want people to panic. But instead
of saying I have a family emergency, I've said I
have a family urgency.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh that's nice, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I like to tell people I have a family emergency,
like even if it's not really an emergency, just to
see what kind of reaction I get out of them.
I'd like to see, like, I'd like to see how
they Some people want to Some people will engage with that.
Some people are like, I got to get how do
I get out of this as quickly as possible?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
What's your favorite reaction? What do you want them to do?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I want people to I want to see concern. I
want to see people have that face like you know,
they don't know what it is. It could be a death,
It could be a car.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Accidents a word for this.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It could be marital distress. It could be your parents
are bothering you. It could be your parents somebody your
parents are sick, somebody's in the hospital. It could be
your child, is something wrong with your child, whatever it is,
it's terrible when you.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Say family emergency.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It could be somebody in your family is a terrible
alcoholic and you have to do an intervention.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You know that kind of stuff. I mean what goes
through your mind when somebody says family emergency.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What do you think? What's the first thing you say? Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think death?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Death. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
See, I don't think they'd say that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I think they'd say I had a death in the family,
or they'd say my uncle died or.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Someone or someone is dying.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I guess like a family emergency, I guess you could
say that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I guess that was just my last My last family
emergency was somebody was passing away.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Right, passing away.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I think that's an interesting term, passing away. I think
it's too soft of a term. I think we should
confront death directly. I think passing away sounds like actually
pretty pleasant, Like they passed away, you know, they floated
off into the ether. You know. One of the things
when you in journalism, you're not supposed to write in
like a headliner or a story like somebody passed away.
That's like this weird editorializing about death. Right, you're supposed
(10:44):
to say they died. Like you look at the New
York Times. They don't write so and so passed away.
They write so and so died. That's the journalistically sound
way to do it. It's just a fact. Sure, right,
there's just no it's funny. I'm talking about death earlier
with someone I was saying. I was talking to a
friend of mine and she was something that she had
bought a very expensive bag and then decides to return
it and then couldn't return it. And she was like,
(11:05):
why did I buy this bag anyhow? And I was like, oh,
because you're trying to escape the thought of death, you know.
And then I went into this whole spiel about it.
And I can't remember some very important philosopher I was
talking about this or I was reading it. You know
that everything that we do in life, literally everything is
like basically an attempt at diverting our attention away from
the inevitability of death. And like every literally everything, like
(11:26):
the way we form societies, like having kids, like buying
a bag, you know, doing whatever, it's all and you know,
it kind of checks out, like like it checks out
to me, Like I think no one wants to sit
around and think about their demise. They want to be
like I need new shoes, or I should have a
child or whatever people think. I don't know. I don't
(11:47):
know what people think because I'm not I'm not in
that group. I'm not in the group of people. I'm
outside that group. I'm pressed up against the glass looking
at the people, wondering what are the people doing? And
I'm on the other side. Who's with me?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's a weird scene. Actually, where am I? Why is
there glass there at all? A lot of unanswered questions
in this scenario. But the point is, I guess I
don't feel like I'm in touch with my fellow humans
lately the way I used to. You know, do you
ever feel that?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I mean I feel like you feel alienated from humanity
and society.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, pretty often.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, that's weird. That's a weird feeling. I don't know anyhow.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So, Yeah, it's hot outside, very hot. Death is imminent
and upon us everywhere. Now that I think of it,
should we pause? Of course? I never listened to the show,
But what I've been told is that the show has
commercial breaks in it. So do we need to stop
and then start again?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think so, and we should do that. I had
an epiphany recently.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh you hadn't all you have to have had any epiphanies.
Let me here, let me hear about your epiphany. I
I had. I have not had my No, I've had
no epiphanies. And if anything, my mind has been very
cloudy lately, very very muddled, very unable to discern answers.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
But tell me about your epiphany.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So I was at Starbucks, okay, and a woman came in.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She was.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Of the Karen ilk Oh Karen. You know she physically,
you know, appeared as a Karen.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
She had one of those weird like Rod Stewart haircuts
or something or you.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Know, close close to you know, I tense stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, okay, she came in.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
She came in hot, She walked straight to the register.
She had something to say, and I kind of like.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know, you're like, here we go.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, she was like I called, I got big long thing.
She had a big order. She you know, had expectations
and she was laying it all out. And the young
man said, oh, Susanne, yeah, I remember you something something,
(14:20):
and the woman's face, like her entire demeanor melted away,
and she said, you remembered my name. And I realized
that when young white women are you know, young, pretty
(14:41):
prime of their life, attractive, they get all this special attention.
Pretty privileged guys remember their names they use it in conversation.
They get this kind of you know, this this little perk.
These they get these talks all.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The time, yeah perk, And they get them.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Because it's just nothing that they've done. It's just the
way they look. Because you know, we.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Live in a culturist society.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
We have our white privileged society that is exacerbated when
you're a young pretty girl, right, and as they get
older and they lose those special young white girl privileges,
people in service especially aren't like meeting their expectations.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They harden.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
You're saying, this causes them to.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Harden, and they get upset and they're not even necessarily
mad at the person. They're mad that like they've lost
this thing that they could never quite put their finger on.
They've always been given this special treatment and now it's
gone and they're mad. And I think that's how a
Karen is born.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
That's interesting, that's the epiphany you had. You think you've
got to solve the Karen riddle. I mean that is interesting. Yeah,
I mean I think there's something interesting about that theory.
I mean, obviously there are societal forces that act on
a Karen to create that. You know, it's not just
born out of nothing. I do have to wonder if
it's not more a manifestation of a sense of entitlement
(16:14):
generally than a specific losing of that entitlement, although it
does kind of it does kind of map to what
you're saying, in the sense that, like, if you've been
treated special because you're like, you know, even like a
reasonably attractive young white woman or whatever people are, you know,
society has been arranged to kind of like be especially
nice to you, and then suddenly you're not that anymore.
You've aged. I guess you're saying it's someone who's aged
(16:37):
and they now have been perhaps getting a treatment that
doesn't feel as special. I guess that could bring that
entitlement out of the person further.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm the kind of person who rarely, if ever feel
entitled to anything. And you know, when I was dating,
I would ask the girl if I could kiss her,
you know, and I wouldn't just make a move. I
wouldn't make a move. I wasn't like I'm going to
and fucking just do it because the moment has struck me.
I'd be like, is this okay? Like I don't know,
it seems like I should, but it's like in the moment,
(17:07):
i'd be like, before I do this, just one quick.
I'm not like mister consent or anything. I'm not trying
to be like I'm so progressive. I'm just saying like
I'm not saying I'm not mister.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Not mystery, I'm mister.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
But I'm saying it wasn't like, oh my god, I
got to get the verbal yet, you know. It's just
more like I don't know. This could go bad, Like
this person could really not want me to kiss them.
So I don't know. I'm just thinking like when I
think of entitlement, I think of like somebody was telling
me a story the other day about about somebody they
worked with who was like sexually harassing them and sending
them these like crazy messages, and I was like, you know,
(17:39):
there was like this slightly older man, you know, sending
these messages to a woman. And I was like, and
it was a getting completely inappropriate, totally out of context,
totally like you know, basically criminal as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I was like, I don't, I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I can't not tap into the sense the feeling that
I could just do that to a person, that there
was any reason why I would do that. I find
it unusual to feel like the idea that you know,
it's like, I mean, I've taught people told me, when
women have told me they're like, oh yeah, like guys
little like grab my ass on the street or something.
I'm like, that's crazy to me. That seems crazy, But
it is interesting. I guess the flip side perhaps or
(18:15):
some part of that whatever that entitlement is. Speaking of entitlement,
it's the kind of male privilege entitlement about how they can.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Be with women.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But in a way you're saying that Karen is the
inverse to that. It is the reaction to the losing
of some part of that kind of attention. Nothing, it's
all nothing, all like harassment. No, but but there is
a but there is a an element to that treatment
that is like because they are young and pretty and
white often right, I mean, it's like not purely sexual,
(18:46):
but certainly a kind of like undercurrent of wanting to
win favor with sex pretty lady, yeah, sex appeal.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Right, Yeah, I'll tell you I had another less fun epiphany.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But Siah, exactly what you're talking about here, lay it on.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Me as soon as I became an actual adult, like
my frontal lobe finish developing. Yeah, cat calling dropped ninety percent.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Really, and I had.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I've been physically assaulted, I've had you know, the guys
grab your ass et cetera, like random guys on the street.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I've had. I've lived all of that.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, and once I became like an adult who could
be like a consenting adult to this, you know, I
mean it's we all know what it is. They're just
being predatory. They don't actually want to find a woman
who's like turned on by that and wants sex with
them in return. But but no, once you become an
(19:43):
adult adult, men stop this. Like what we now know
is like a charade of.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, hey, I'm just hey, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's like, no, you're not. You're going after little girls.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Do you think do you think sorry? Do you say
you think it's that.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It's maturity that now is like that's no longer appealing
to that particular strain of dude. Or is it that
your demeanor change in a way that made you less
that made them less likely to respond like that? No?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, no, when you're a young girl, your demeanor is fear,
or at least for me, you know. It's like it's
not like I was walking around Nightmare at like sixteen
and that's why they went for me. It's like, no,
I looked terrified.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Let me be clear, sorry, let me.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Did I look tough once I got old?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Saying that like maybe you know that, yeah, that you
got you toughened up as you got older, and it
was less, you know, it was like more intimidating to
the guys who might who might otherwise, you know, respond
that way to somebody who's younger. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Now, I've been wearing like four layers of winter clothes
in a blizzard and had a guy yell at me.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
From his Interesting, that's interesting, That's what you know. Something.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I was walking down the street the other day speaking
of cat calling, and there were these two very good
looking guys walking together, and a guy came by on
a bike and he was like, oh yes, daddy. He's
like yes to both of you daddies, like literally just
like that as he cruised by, and I was like,
first of all, I was like, for a second when
he said oh yes, daddy, I was like, is he
(21:22):
talking to me for just one little moment, I was like,
is this guy hitting on me on his city bike?
He wasn't, because there were beautiful muscular men walking past me,
but two guys who were definitely daddy in question anyhow.
But I have never been fucking cat called. I have
no idea what the experience is like. It'd be different
(21:42):
for me than it is for you. Obviously. Even if
it were a big burly man and I got cat called,
I'd be like, that's pretty flattering, I have to say,
I feel because I'm not walking around it. I haven't
walked around in fear of predators my whole life, obviously.
You know, maybe I don't even said this before on
the podcast. I don't know, I just think it would
be nice, you know, Like, I don't know what it's like.
(22:03):
I'm a you know, as a man, and you know,
I wouldn't sound like a John Hamm type of guy.
You know, I'm not like a Brad Pitt, you know,
I'm not a I'm more like a.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm more like a.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I don't know, like a Jene Wilder kind you know,
more Gene Wilder kind of character. You know. Uh So,
I don't know what it's like for someone to aggressively
sexually pursue me, and uh, I'm not complaining, Well maybe
I am. I mean, I guess it sounds like it
(22:36):
could be scary. Obviously for a woman, it sounds like
a horrible experience. Wilder, it might be a very nice experience.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
They're not actually sexually pursuing you. They are trying to
scare you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I like how I like how you're you seem a
little at Matt, like agitated about the fact that these
guys aren't aren't willing to follow through on their on
their cat call, like they won't take you on a tape.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, if if it.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Was, then it would it wouldn't mean that they were
like targeting vulnerable populations.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
You're saying, right, you're saying that there's a scenario where
somebody's like, hey, baby, why don't you bring that over
here or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't know what a cat call sounds like, but
maybe something like that, and then the woman's like all right,
and then they're like, hey, like what are you doing
Friday night? And you think that, like, is that's a
thing that might happen. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I have seen actually I've seen a woman do that
on the subway to a man and get his number.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I have seen that.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Of course a woman can do it. A woman has
followed through. Yes, he's not doing it like a man.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I do think that that would be a better
than what it actually is. But you've got to go
and we can talk about this.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I had to have to go, But I think to recap,
it's hot, it's summer's not over. You may be through
with the with the summer, but the summer is not
through with you. Cat Calling is largely bad unless you're me,
in which case he would be a compliment and a
wonder for pleasure to experience. I just want to make
sure I've got all of it. Oh and the BlackBerry
movie is pretty good and I should check it out.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, that was a great round.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Great, it's a lot of food for thought. You know,
I have a lot to think about.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh, well, you know Karens.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's just Karens. Yeah right. Your grand unified theory of Karens,
which I think is actually perhaps the most important takeaway
from this show, is that you have solved You actually
have maybe figured out how we can stop Karens. From
being produced in society, which is, we need to be way, way,
way nicer to women, no matter what age they are
and no matter how they look. We should be nice
(24:35):
to women and help them out and remember their names.
In fact, I'll just expand that to people. We should
be nice to people and remember who they are and
treat them with kindness and respect, and then nobody will
become an entitled maniac who yells at a target employee
because she has to wear a mask.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
We should treat all people with kindness and respect, regardless
of their physical.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Appearance, unless they have a swastika tattoo.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, yeah, that's the one exception, unless they're like a
one of these guys with the swastika tattoo who's.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Now seen the error of their way formed and his reform.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Is actually like and actually loves Jews and black people like.
Because if that person, we should embrace and say you
did it. You've you've overcome your your bad upbringing or
whatever cause you to become an autot.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Do you want to wish anything to the listeners?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, honestly, I hope that they don't end up
in a situation. What I'd say is, like you know
obviously you.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Know I'm seeing up your sign off.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I see, I know, obviously that is our show.
We'll be back next week with more What Future, and
I won't be on the phone, but what I might
and I what I wish for people is is is
not the very best, but I my wish is that
they they never end up in a situation where they
have to record a podcast and they they've left their
podcast microphone at home because it's obviously embarrassing and Bushley
(26:00):
an amateur hour. And and I wouldn't want anybody to
have an egg on their face quite the way I
do right now. Is that an expression egg on your
face is not a thing that people say.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Huh huh.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay. I would like to explore that for the next
episode of What Future, I'd like to do a deep.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Dive on the egg on your face expression and what
it really means.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Okay, great, Okay, goodbye bye.
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