March 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Denise and Zoe discuss the bond they share of raising kids in Hollywood and handling public scrutiny when your family is famous. From Denise's daughter being involved with OnlyFans to her painful exit from Special Forces involving ruptured implants, the mom of 3 also reveals what it's like co-parenting with Charlie Sheen and her admiration for Quentin Tarantino. @whatinthewinklerpod
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
Welcome to another episode of What in the Winkler. I'm
so excited because, as you guys know, I am a
total Housewives junkie, and today we have Denise Richards joining us,
which is so exciting. She was on reality TV. Actually,
she debuted on the show Denise Richards, It's Complicated in
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two thousand and eight and it ran until two thousand
and nine, and then she was on two seasons of
the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills from twenty nineteen to
twenty twenty. Obviously, she's also an incredible actress and was
married to Charlie Sheen and has three children, two of
which she shares with Charlie Sheen. And now she has
a new reality show that is coming out and I
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am so excited. I got to see the first episode
and I'm dying. Let's welcome Denise.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hi, Oh my god, you're so glam It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, don't be, You're beautiful. Look at your Gray Malen
behind you. Is that Gray Malean's it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Actually it's this woman named Judy Gilattie. But I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So much he knew it was one or the other. Yeah,
I love your dad, by the way, Oh I do too.
He is one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He's so he's the best. He's really like, he's I
don't know. It's weird when you are an adult and
then you see your parents as human beings, and he
really is just like a really good person.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's such an amazing person. I met him once. I
think we were doing a talk show at the same time,
and we were, you know, in the green roop passing.
He was so kind, and of course I was always
a huge fan. So he's so lovely.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So, oh my gosh, thank you. So I will, I will,
I will.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I know. That's what.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's funny because I have been trying to make dinner
with Crystal. Crystal and Alex and I always have dinner together,
which is so funny. Yeah, you have to come. And
I was they were trying to send out dates and
I was like, oh my gosh, I'm interviewing Denise tomorrow
and they were both like, she's the best. She's so funny,
she's so cool, and Alex is like, tell her we're friends.
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I was like, I will so he so you live
in LA I do.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I love him. And and then Crystal
I just did her podcast a week ago, Parent with Cynthia.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Cynthia, Yeah, before it was like a Housewives thing. They
had asked me to be her co host, but it
wasn't like it wasn't going to be like a Bravo
a thing. It was going to be more just about
like moms and and but I had already. I'm just
doing something with my mom. And then my mom who's
supposed to be my partner, she actually got really sick
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and so she hasn't been doing it, but she's like
finally doing so much better and she's going to rejoin.
So I'm really exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
But thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I just so I got to watch the two first
two episodes. Oh your show. I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh you do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Love It's so good. I mean, especially like just getting
to see first I'm the biggest Housewives fan ever, so
I'm obsessed and so just getting to see like this
other side of your life is so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Thank you so much. I love doing the Housewives. Obviously,
my first season I had so much fun. It was
great getting to know the women. And then my second
season went you know, slightly sideways, but yeah that I
still I'm so glad I did it. I would do
it again. And I love a lot of the women
on the show show. And on that show, you know,
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you get it's mostly about the friendships and the women,
and you get a glimpse into our family a little bit.
But in this show, it's really family. It's more. Yeah,
it's a lot of family. And Alex Baskin approached me
about doing a family docuseries, and I wanted to make
sure that my whole family was on board. And you being,
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you know, having a famous father can relate to that too.
That the girls, you know, they've been the daughters of
Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards, and it was an opportunity
for them to have their own show, yeah, and be
their own person.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. Being a daughter of is so complicated and I
talk about it all the time, and because it's like
it's almost like people assume that they know you, yeah,
before you know you even spoken, or they assume that
you're one way. And so I for me, at least,
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I spend so much time like trying to convince them
I'm I'm not whatever they think, because people's idea of,
you know, having famous parents is like that you're going
to be this like spoiled, you know, brat, And it's like,
it's so it's so interesting to like get to see
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what it must feel like for Sammy and and all
your girls, you know, because it's you should talk to
them too. I would love to. I would love to
because it's so I mean, it's so you walk into
a room and sometimes you feel like everybody knows yeah,
immediately before you've even even had a chance to say,
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like no, like this is who I am, and and
and by the way, like also so much great stuff
comes from it too, you know. So it's like, you know,
it's not just a lot of perks, a lot of perks,
and I definitely mild those perks for everything.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I grew up very differently than my all my girls.
I grew up in a small town in Illinois and
not from Hollywood at all. And I always think I
can't imagine what it must be like, and then they
can't imagine what it must be like how I grew
up because that's all they know too.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Do you ever go home and take them back.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I haven't brought them back to Illinois.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I wonder what that would be like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I know we've talked about it. Most of you know,
relatives that we talked to will come out here.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You could do like a simple Life episode.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, it would be good. I really do want to
take them there because it's so different and it's funny,
is they they would love to see that. When I
grew up there, I was like, I would love to
see Hollywood, right like.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Gabby out of here, and now they would probably love it. Yeah,
that's season two. You got to take them back.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yes, they need to go back and see it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, And so for them, they were both comfortable and Elouise,
everybody was comfortable kind of being on doing this together.
You guys like had a family meeting, and we.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Had a family meeting. Eloise, she's she special needs, primarily
non verbal, but she understands everything. She gave a thumbs up.
She was so excited. She loves to see herself on
camera and in pictures. Sammy was very excited because over
the years she's like, Mom, we need to do another
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reality show. It's so crazy. We need cameras here. Lola
was more hesitant, and I told her, if you I
want you to really want to do this, because it's
a commitment and you don't want to, it's okay. And
she really she prayed about it. She's very into her faith,
and she felt like, Okay, this is a good thing,
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and I reassured her that this is also an opportunity.
I plaud her and admire her confidence in also being
so open about her faith because I was raised by
a mom who would always tell us, don't talk about
politics or religion, and that's just how I was raised.
And I think it's inspiring for her, being a young
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adult coming into her own that she can inspire younger kids.
I say kids, but young adults that are wanting to
totally be open with their faith. And I think that
it's a wonderful platform for her to share that. And
so she then she obviously she was excited to do it.
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And you know, my girls, all of them couldn't be
more opposite from each other. But we had a good
time filming and it was a lot of fun, and
I think, you know, the girls enjoyed it too.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Something that's so special about filming with your family. I mean,
I would assume like these are memories that you have
for the rest of your lives, and that your girls
will be able to watch back and moments that you
know that are captured that would would happen, but they
would never You would never have like that on tape
memories forever. It's like home movies, you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Know it is. And I agree with you and they,
you know, even when we did our first reality show,
the girls barely remember it if that, and they watched
clips back and they're like, oh my gosh, it's so
nice to have this. And I think it'll be good
for them and for myself to have this with the
with the kids, with all of us later.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And I love that you include Charlie's other ex wife, Brooke,
Like that's that's how my family was when I was
growing up. My mom was married before and we were
super close with you know, his wife, his wife he
passed away, but his wife, my mom's ex husband's wife,
is one of her best friends and she like comes
over and it was so nice for us to see
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and for my brother to have not to feel like
he he had to go into like a million different
places every holiday and stuff like that. It was just
so nice that you include her and that you guys
are kind of doing it together with your kids because
they're siblings.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, no, thank you for saying that. It's you know,
over the years she and I, you know, it's been
up and down.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think people can relate to that too. And whenever
things were they would always be invited for holidays. Oftentimes
they would come from the holidays and some of my
friends be like, I don't understand. I'm like, it's all
about the kids. We all, yeah, because kids didn't have
to be born into homes that were split and separated.
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And the more kids feel loved, and.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, that takes a lot of you as a person,
as a woman, as a you know, like I always
say that to my mom, like that's really And it
didn't always. My mom used to like scare the out
of her ex's wife, but now, you know, like they're
like sisters almost. I call them, like, you know, it's
like I have two moms.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I feel like, yeah, Brook, when things are really good,
is were the same. We obviously have a lot in
common and we can commiserate a lot too about things,
but at the end of the day, it's like we're
one big, blended family, and I love when it's peaceful
and harmonious, and I've always tried to do that as
much as possible.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's it, And I mean that just speaks to you
as a mom, you know, and what kind of mom
you are? Wait, have the girls made up? I need
to know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, But they're sisters, right. So my sister and I
are eighteen months apart, and we would fight all the
time too, stupid little fights. And Samuel Lula are fifteen
months apart. Elouise is much younger than them, but they will.
They would. They were when we've been here in New
York doing press and it's the first time them doing
press with this show. It's so funny because they would.
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People have asked that and we're like looked at each
other and like, how many fights have we gotten into today?
They fight all the time, but they it's stupid and
then they get over it and it quickly. Yeah. But
on our show, there was a particular situation that lasted
quite a long time, and I think doing a reality
show is when you see yourself when you see it.
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And also it was great because even though we're filming
our life, there were times where I would push like,
we're getting together for dinner. I don't care, you have
to come, and it forced them to also be there
and have work through it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, and on the show people will see too. As
a as a parent, I would have to I would
struggle oftentimes one where they would just want me to
butt out of it, but where I would tell them, Okay,
you're going to look back at this and be like,
we're fighting over stupid, silly stuff. I know now it
seems like a big deal, but there'll be bigger issues later.
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So yeah, it's like get through it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But when you're in and it's hard to remember that,
especially when you're with your siblings. I don't have a sister,
but I have friends like sisters. But it's so different,
like to have a sister. I imagine that's like such a
different relationship because my brother's and I fight, but not
in the same you know. It's like now, it's like
so different.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, they have a lot of the same friends, they.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right, and they're so close together and eight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so we're all on the same floor of our
hotel and you know, so they have their friends that
they've seen here in New York and they they're getting
along I think today, which is great.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
How has it been like doing this process with them,
like doing press with them? It must be so cool
to like be able to do it with your kids.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, it's so fun for me.
I just I told them, I said, enjoy this moment
because it's really special and it's so surreal for me
because I was twenty years old when I got my
first acting job. Sammy's twenty she's turning twenty one next weekend,
and Lola's nineteen and I was not doing press though
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at those It took a few years before I had
a project that warn't at that. But they I just said,
just enjoy this moment. And it's so crazy for me
to look at them and like I remember being their
age starting out in the business. It's very surreal and
it's really Lola got asked to sign her first autograph
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and she was like it was so cute, so cute weet.
So it's fun for me as their mom to see them,
you know, experience all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, and like have this amazing thing that you guys
all get to share together. And is Sammy still doing OnlyFans?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
She is?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I really I've always said, like what I just I've
had my oldest I just had his ber Mitzvah, and
I was like, I think I need to do an
only fans to pay for it, and I'm so down,
like I need tips. I do want to speak to
her actually, because she has to give me some tips.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Good. You know what she said she was going to join.
I truly I did not what it was and I
had to google it and and I all I said
to her was just make sure that this is something
you really want to do. It could be perceived a
certain way, and I just want you to be prepared
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for that. And she went ahead and did it. And
then when she got a lot of backlash as her mom,
I was obviously very upset about it, and I posted
something about it, and then I just made an offhand
comment like maybe I should join, and then I did.
And not to sound like creepy or anything like a
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weird whatever, but it's more about, you know, I feel
very as a woman being when you're in control of
what you want out there and the narrative. Yeah, yeah,
Like it's there's something very empowering about that. And also
after I did a movie years ago, Wild things people
assumed I was that character when I was playing a
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part and I was, you know, a sex symbol, and
magazines and stuff like that perceived that way, and so
it just kind of, you know, I felt bad that
my daughter at that age was getting such backlash, and
so I did the same thing. And I just as
a woman, we can make her own choices, and she
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controls what's on her page. By the way, I've never
gone on she hasn't seen mine either, and she's able,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
To she gets she's the one that's calling the shots
for what is comfortable for her, right and that's such
a beautiful I mean, like I think like that is
you talked about it ind in the episode. You were saying,
how you know she really it's actually an empowering thing
and it switches the way you think about something like that.
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But I actually was just talking to my friend who
is now only fans, is doing like workout regiments and
like all these it's becoming like a huge platform for
I mean, you anybody can do anything on there, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's the thing it's people assume it's more risque, but
it's all what you put on there. It's not also
like I walk.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Down the street and girls are wearing less than they're
wearing on the only fan. So I'm like, you know
now that I see, like what the what we were
growing up was like nineties grunge and it's coming back
a little bit. But now like it's crazy when I
you know, the dresses, all the things that allus right
thirteen year old girls are wearing. I'm like, we're.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Fine, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And so do you miss like the acting part and
when you're doing this or.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You like, you know, I did do a couple of
projects while we were filming this last year. I did
Special Forces and then right after that we were in
pre production for our show, and we started filming in
July and up until right before Christmas is when we
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wrapped everything with all the interviews and stuff. So I
really wanted to focus on our show because it's.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Uh, well the labor of love family.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, and so, but I I'm very lucky that I'm
still able to do other jobs too in between.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And but do you prefer one or the other?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I love bowls, I really do, and I love doing reality.
A lot of times will film me doing other things too,
you know, when I've done Housewives. We have filmed me
acting and on our show, we filmed me going on location,
uh when I left and stuff. So that's part of
reality is at least you know, we're able to film
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part of our real life too. Do you do.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You do you watch the Other Housewives? Like franchises are
really just not so much.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do. I I am a fan of the Housewives
as well. I do have to get caught up with
Beverly Hills. I haven't seen a lot of the season.
I need to get caught up with. It's wild. I heard.
I'm friends with quite a few of them, so I
have to get caught up with that. I did watch
the New York New reboot, and I've watched New Jersey.
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But I love the Housewives. That's why I did the show, because.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I was saying, I love it so much. My mom
and Andy are really good friends. And so I got
to go to his baby shower in La and oh
my god, I was like, this is it was crazy.
I told him. I was like, this is my dream
come true. And I'm around famous people all the time,
and literally the I became like I couldn't. I felt
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like a kid at Disneyland with like an autograph book
Bondie like I was out of my mind. It's like
the only thing I care about. I love housewives. I'm
like a Housewives queen. I don't know, it's so why Yeah,
and Alex always get annoyed when we go to dinner
because I'm like, tell me everything, and he's like, stop
talking to me about how S lives. But sometimes, you know,
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like it's hard to watch when women are being like
so mean to each other. Sometimes it becomes like that's
when I get like, oh, this isn't you know. There's
some times when I'm just like this isn't. It's fun
when you're watching it and there can be like shady
things right, funny way, but when it's really really unkind,
it becomes like sometimes too much to like you know,
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and I mean I.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Think there could be a little fight and then get
over it and have another fight if last the whole season.
I'm like, this can get a little boring, yeah about
something else. And it's also just.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Like you know, I mean, I don't know, especially like
at this time in our world, like I feel like
women have to just lift up other women and I
don't know, sometimes like I yeah, I worry about that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Sometimes people do like to see women have fun together too.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, it's women, I mean friendship. My friendships with my
girlfriends are one of the most important things in my life,
you know, just like as important as my relationship with
my husband and my kids. You know, it's so important.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, And do you and you have like guests come
on the show like you have some of the housewives
come on.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know. I am really truly good friends with a
lot of them. Canille Grammar, I've known her for years.
Sutton I met doing a show. We've become very good friends.
I became friends with Katy Hilton Garcel I've known since
we were, you know, starting out in the business, so
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genuinely we're good, you know, good friends. And I wanted
to also show that too. And then I filmed with
Erica Jane and that came about because our for my
first season on the show, I feel like her and
I we had a connection. We became friends on the show,
and then my second season. Even from the beginning of
my second season, I just felt like a different shift
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and energy and then it went really sideways and I
felt there was just some unfinished you know, between the
two of us, and so I was glad that she
filmed with me, and I'm glad that we were able
to reconnect and have that moment.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And do you feel like you're in a better place now?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well you'll have to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Okay, I'm so excited. So when do you think that
when you film with your girls, do you feel like
protective of what they say? Or it's just like you
guys forget that the cameras are even there.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's so funny. The only thing people had asked me
did we have any rules of what we could couldn't
talk about? And we didn't. All I said to the
girls was I wanted just be yourself, be you really themselves,
to the point where I was like, oh my gosh,
they don't really tone it down at all. And I
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and I said like, you know, uh, you know this
is gonna be on TV. Yeah, glad of yourself. And
they're like, yeah, we're doing a reality show and okay,
you know so it. But I'm I'd rather than be
completely their true, authentic self. Then of course, I did
not want anything to feel set up or rehearsed or
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any of that. And that's why I just told them,
just you be you.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think people think sometimes reality show like reality is
all set up, it's like a and it's not. I mean,
it's like literally sometimes you forget that the cameras.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Are even there. Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean I have been on I've never done
a reality show on my own, but I've gone on
like friends or whatever where there are cameras there and
I forget that they're there and I say something so
insane and I then have to like catch myself because
I am not, you know, a real start. So I'm like,
oh my god, can.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You cut that? Can you erase that?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You know, because it's like your yourself and then you
you're like, you know, like life just happens, yeah, and
then they become you know, do you? Is there anything
else like in your lifetime? Would you ever write a book?
Would you write like a memoir? Would that be something
you would do.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I did do a memoir shortly after I got divorced,
and I focused more about the feelings of going through divorce,
going through something public. I didn't want to like say
anything negative. Yeah you know, but I may maybe later
I would do like a memoir with everything. But I
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would also shortly before Uh, Jackie Collins passed away. I
went to lunch with her a few years before, and
I really want her, I wanted to do would rather
the story be in an all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's so cool. That's great. I bet you could find
it the way.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm you know, because for me to do a memoir
memoir where I'm really yeah, sharing stories my whole career
and stuff, I just I'm not one that likes to
say names, and I would talk about situations, but I
wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
You should do that. That's such a good idea. The
Jackie Collins World of Books was just the best ever,
I know. I mean, there's nothing better. I wish like
there was like a show like that would be a
movie I would die to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
There's She loved my stories, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, you have some pretty amazing ones.
Is there anything else you feel like you've not done
yet that you really, really really want to do.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I want to do a Marvel movie, and I so
badly want to do a movie with Quentin Tarantie. You know,
I love him. He's such an incredible filmmaker and that's
always been a dream of mine to work with him.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think he like moved to Israel. Is that possible.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I have no idea. I think he did.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
My dad just saw him because my dad went to
Israel to do a TV show a year ago and
they had dinner, and I think he I think he
married like an Israeli woman, and I think he lives there.
I could be wrong, but I really believe that that's
the case.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Possibly, I don't know where he lives.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, he might have to go to Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You mightn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, No, He's amazing. He's like, yeah, so yeah,
it was. It's I remember seeing him once at a
party and I was like, this is crazy. I mean
he's so his mind works in a.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Way that's so different, incredible.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He really is.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Those are And then I would love a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh do you love to cook?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I do. I'm terrible at it, but I love to cook.
I'm a messy cook. I just and then does Aaron
clean up after? He's like, can you like clean as
you go? I'm like no, because what if I need
that for I'm going to say with Food Network, I
watch all those shows. I Love you You, being super
Starstruck with Bravo, The es me. It's the chefs from
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Food Network.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's so cool. My son really wants to be a chef.
He's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I really love Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He cooks all day long and I love to cook too,
and so we cook together. But but it's funny. Is
there like one thing that you like? He loves to
make steak. Is there something that you're like excellent at?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, I'm trying to perfect homemade pasta, which oh yeah, yeah,
I posted videos about that on my Instagram. But I
love Italy. Italy is one of my favorite places to visit,
and I feel like you can eat anything there. It's
true pizza pasta, and it's like you don't gain twenty
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pounds eating it. You don't feel it from the gluten
and all that. In my opinion, you're right. I like
and I like that everything so fresh, they cook what's
in the garden. And but I I really am. I
have so many different things to make. I get that
double zero flower. I still cannot get the noodles correct,
so I am working on that.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
What do you what is your favorite place? Where is
your favorite place to go in Italy?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I love the Amalfi Coast, but I also love like Tuscany,
and I was lucky enough a couple of years ago
to film in Turin, Italy. I love all of it,
and it's each place is very different from one another.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But I just went for the first time last summer
and I loved it. I've never been before, and I
was never a huge traveler. Like I would travel, I
would go to Hawaii or skiing or something like very like,
but I never really had been to a bunch of
places in Europe.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And we went.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We took our boys and we went to Venice and
Rome and Pulia. And I feel like it like changed
my life. And meanwhile, like getting like like gearing up
for the trip, I fully went on Manjaro. I was
like so excited to like and then I get there
and it's like I did not gain a pound because
I just are eating and it's all even. I feel
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like even the wine there is different. It doesn't make
you feel sick. I can't understand, how about it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I ate pizza almost every day and I lost four
pounds there, and I think it's because I was walking
so much. But I couldn't believed that I could eat
all of these carbs all day long.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I can't like, yeah, it's just it's amazing. Like, I
loved every minute of it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What was your favorite place when you went?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I loved all of it. I really really really loved Venice.
I've ever been and it's everyone. Yeah, everyone was like
skip it, you're not gonna love it. I couldn't believe it.
I was like, it's magic.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I couldn't even like. I was like this is And
now I keep saying to my husband like I want
to go everywhere, like I just want to explore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I all that's so good.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, I heard the Dolomites are really amazing. Have you
ever been there?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I haven't been there yet.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Can you tell me more about Special Forces?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Sure? Well what would you like to know?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I don't know anything about it, but everyone's obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Have you ever seen a clip where nothing okay? So
it's basically a competition with yourself and it is a
true real reality show where even the producers are not
around these men. They're the ds. These three gentlemen that
were there, they were in the military, they've done all
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kinds of their Everything that they've done is crazy. So
there was sixteen of us that went and we didn't
know who else was going. We filmed in Wales. This
was their third season. We all sleep in the same
place on cots, sleeping bag, pillow and it is. The
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stuff we had to do was crazy. I lasted two days.
I got injured, I jumped, I had my second first
thing I had to well after we get pushed off
into the water and swam and all that. You have
to do push ups. There's no craft service, there's barely
any food.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Do you prepare like you like, do you know what
you're going into? Do you like more mentally or physically
for it?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well? You you have. They didn't tell us exactly what
we were doing, but I when I found out I
was doing it for sure. I had a thing with
the toilet because on the show you'll see there's like
outhouses and the door is cut where you could see
people's feet, and so I was like, I am not
going to go national television and do that. So I
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had to have a toilet like that had the door
that was from for me to like, I'm not doing that.
That's where I draw the line. But I found out
three weeks before I was going, and I turned down
the show a few times because I was scared and
I thought, you know what, because I am scared, I'm
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going to do it and it's going to take me
out of my comfort zone. My oldest daughters were so
mad at me. They were crying actually when I was scared.
They were so scared that I wasn't going to make
it back home. And also we have to turn our
phones in for real, so I can't text anybody or call.
But I had to jump off of this boat onto
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a helicopter and then climb into the helicopter when it
was hanging and we were above the I receipt. I
could not climb in. I just didn't have to. I
was able to hang on, but I was like, I
can't get up there, and I was like, how I
can fall off of that thing. And then the second
day is where I got injured. I had to jump
off this bridge and I ruptured my implants and hurt
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my hit berry whatever. So I had opt out. So
but if that's crazy, the crazy show, I have to
watch it. I'm glad I did it because I met
amazing people on the show, but I wouldn't do it
again because it is dangerous for me. Intense. Yeah, it's
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so physical, like I'm not an athlete like pilates doesn't
cut it doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I did see you working out in the gym though
it seems like you might be like you're very strong.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, I feel like, yeah that but even and some
people are like, is it because you're the age? Is
it an age thing? But I was really thinking about
even if I was twenty, I still would have had
a really hard time doing it because I'm not an athlete.
You know, Like the backpath they call it the bergen
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or whatever. I called it the burken because I couldn't
remember the name of the thing. It's almost it's half
my size heightwise, and the weight of it was so heavy.
That's like cam Newton and Golden Tate. These guys had
the same weight. And they would put this bag of
gravel and rocks in it and we would have to
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weigh it, and if we didn't have enough weight the
weight that they said it had to be, we had
to add more gravel. I'm like, I can't even do
this freaking thing, and you have to run with it.
So I just like, I don't care what age I am,
I'm carry the damn ass thing. That was my hardest
thing was running with that on my back. It was
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barely with Oh my gosh, but I'm glad I did it,
and yeah, you conquered a fear.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
You did it. And I'm sure you're so happy that
you were coming home.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yes they were.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
They were like, we did You're done?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, no, I'm glad I did it. But I'm good.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
How long are you in New York for?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
We've been here for about a week and a half
and then we go home this week. Nice. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So I'm really excited. I can't wait for everyone to
see the show. When does it premiere?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this airs on Tuesday nights after Housewives of Beverly Hills.
We got the best time. I'm so excited. And the
girls and I are doing Watch What Happens Live tomorrow
and they're going to be Mocktail bartenders and who's your
guest sutton.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yun fun night.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for the girls to
do his show, you know, to be the bartenders on
the show.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, but it's so special. It's it's like such a
fun thing that you guys all get to do together.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So excited. The last time they were at Watch What
Happens Live was they were so little. We were in
New York. I was filming a TV show. It was
Hurricane Sandy. Oh my gosh, it was Halloween and I
did Andy's show and the girls were in the going
to the offices. They're getting candy because it was Halloween
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and we were stuck here.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's so. I remember when during Hurricanes Sandy, my dad
was doing a play, actually in New York, and he
was doing a Broadway play and it was I'd never
seen anything like that.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
No, it was insane. It was insane.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, now you get to go back in the weather.
It won't be horrible, and you know, the girls can
enjoy it more.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They were probably close to Andy's kids. Age is when
your last almost.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh my gosh. I love watch What Happens Live. It's
so fun. It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's fun to watch show.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for doing this, Thank
you for having me. I'm so grateful and I can't
wait for you know, season two.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm maybe you can interview my daughters because I'm sure
they will love to. I would love being the daughter,
you know, and you doing what you're doing. It's so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Really, oh it's really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Thank you. I would love to talk to them, so
let's let's let's get that together and I'll give them
my phone number and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Thank you so much, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Thank you so much for joining me on another episode
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You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
Welcome to another episode of What in the Winkler. I'm
so excited because, as you guys know, I am a
total Housewives junkie, and today we have Denise Richards joining us,
which is so exciting. She was on reality TV. Actually,
she debuted on the show Denise Richards, It's Complicated in
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two thousand and eight and it ran until two thousand
and nine, and then she was on two seasons of
the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills from twenty nineteen to
twenty twenty. Obviously, she's also an incredible actress and was
married to Charlie Sheen and has three children, two of
which she shares with Charlie Sheen. And now she has
a new reality show that is coming out and I
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am so excited. I got to see the first episode
and I'm dying. Let's welcome Denise.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hi, Oh my god, you're so glam It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
No, don't be, You're beautiful. Look at your Gray Malen
behind you. Is that Gray Malean's it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Actually it's this woman named Judy Gilattie. But I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So much he knew it was one or the other. Yeah,
I love your dad, by the way, Oh I do too.
He is one of the nicest people I've ever met.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He's so he's the best. He's really like, he's I
don't know. It's weird when you are an adult and
then you see your parents as human beings, and he
really is just like a really good person.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's such an amazing person. I met him once. I
think we were doing a talk show at the same time,
and we were, you know, in the green roop passing.
He was so kind, and of course I was always
a huge fan. So he's so lovely.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
So, oh my gosh, thank you. So I will, I will,
I will.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I know. That's what.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's funny because I have been trying to make dinner
with Crystal. Crystal and Alex and I always have dinner together,
which is so funny. Yeah, you have to come. And
I was they were trying to send out dates and
I was like, oh my gosh, I'm interviewing Denise tomorrow
and they were both like, she's the best. She's so funny,
she's so cool, and Alex is like, tell her we're friends.
(02:25):
I was like, I will so he so you live
in LA I do.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I love him. And and then Crystal
I just did her podcast a week ago, Parent with Cynthia.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Cynthia, Yeah, before it was like a Housewives thing. They
had asked me to be her co host, but it
wasn't like it wasn't going to be like a Bravo
a thing. It was going to be more just about
like moms and and but I had already. I'm just
doing something with my mom. And then my mom who's
supposed to be my partner, she actually got really sick
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and so she hasn't been doing it, but she's like
finally doing so much better and she's going to rejoin.
So I'm really exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
But thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yes, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I just so I got to watch the two first
two episodes. Oh your show. I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh you do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Love It's so good. I mean, especially like just getting
to see first I'm the biggest Housewives fan ever, so
I'm obsessed and so just getting to see like this
other side of your life is so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Thank you so much. I love doing the Housewives. Obviously,
my first season I had so much fun. It was
great getting to know the women. And then my second
season went you know, slightly sideways, but yeah that I
still I'm so glad I did it. I would do
it again. And I love a lot of the women
on the show show. And on that show, you know,
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you get it's mostly about the friendships and the women,
and you get a glimpse into our family a little bit.
But in this show, it's really family. It's more. Yeah,
it's a lot of family. And Alex Baskin approached me
about doing a family docuseries, and I wanted to make
sure that my whole family was on board. And you being,
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you know, having a famous father can relate to that too.
That the girls, you know, they've been the daughters of
Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards, and it was an opportunity
for them to have their own show, yeah, and be
their own person.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. Being a daughter of is so complicated and I
talk about it all the time, and because it's like
it's almost like people assume that they know you, yeah,
before you know you even spoken, or they assume that
you're one way. And so I for me, at least,
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I spend so much time like trying to convince them
I'm I'm not whatever they think, because people's idea of,
you know, having famous parents is like that you're going
to be this like spoiled, you know, brat, And it's like,
it's so it's so interesting to like get to see
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what it must feel like for Sammy and and all
your girls, you know, because it's you should talk to
them too. I would love to. I would love to
because it's so I mean, it's so you walk into
a room and sometimes you feel like everybody knows yeah,
immediately before you've even even had a chance to say,
(05:46):
like no, like this is who I am, and and
and by the way, like also so much great stuff
comes from it too, you know. So it's like, you know,
it's not just a lot of perks, a lot of perks,
and I definitely mild those perks for everything.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I grew up very differently than my all my girls.
I grew up in a small town in Illinois and
not from Hollywood at all. And I always think I
can't imagine what it must be like, and then they
can't imagine what it must be like how I grew
up because that's all they know too.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Do you ever go home and take them back.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I haven't brought them back to Illinois.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I wonder what that would be like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I know we've talked about it. Most of you know,
relatives that we talked to will come out here.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You could do like a simple Life episode.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, it would be good. I really do want to
take them there because it's so different and it's funny,
is they they would love to see that. When I
grew up there, I was like, I would love to
see Hollywood, right like.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Gabby out of here, and now they would probably love it. Yeah,
that's season two. You got to take them back.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yes, they need to go back and see it.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, And so for them, they were both comfortable and Elouise,
everybody was comfortable kind of being on doing this together.
You guys like had a family meeting, and we.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Had a family meeting. Eloise, she's she special needs, primarily
non verbal, but she understands everything. She gave a thumbs up.
She was so excited. She loves to see herself on
camera and in pictures. Sammy was very excited because over
the years she's like, Mom, we need to do another
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reality show. It's so crazy. We need cameras here. Lola
was more hesitant, and I told her, if you I
want you to really want to do this, because it's
a commitment and you don't want to, it's okay. And
she really she prayed about it. She's very into her faith,
and she felt like, Okay, this is a good thing,
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and I reassured her that this is also an opportunity.
I plaud her and admire her confidence in also being
so open about her faith because I was raised by
a mom who would always tell us, don't talk about
politics or religion, and that's just how I was raised.
And I think it's inspiring for her, being a young
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adult coming into her own that she can inspire younger kids.
I say kids, but young adults that are wanting to
totally be open with their faith. And I think that
it's a wonderful platform for her to share that. And
so she then she obviously she was excited to do it.
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And you know, my girls, all of them couldn't be
more opposite from each other. But we had a good
time filming and it was a lot of fun, and
I think, you know, the girls enjoyed it too.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Something that's so special about filming with your family. I mean,
I would assume like these are memories that you have
for the rest of your lives, and that your girls
will be able to watch back and moments that you
know that are captured that would would happen, but they
would never You would never have like that on tape
memories forever. It's like home movies, you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Know it is. And I agree with you and they,
you know, even when we did our first reality show,
the girls barely remember it if that, and they watched
clips back and they're like, oh my gosh, it's so
nice to have this. And I think it'll be good
for them and for myself to have this with the
with the kids, with all of us later.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
And I love that you include Charlie's other ex wife, Brooke,
Like that's that's how my family was when I was
growing up. My mom was married before and we were
super close with you know, his wife, his wife he
passed away, but his wife, my mom's ex husband's wife,
is one of her best friends and she like comes
over and it was so nice for us to see
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and for my brother to have not to feel like
he he had to go into like a million different
places every holiday and stuff like that. It was just
so nice that you include her and that you guys
are kind of doing it together with your kids because
they're siblings.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, no, thank you for saying that. It's you know,
over the years she and I, you know, it's been
up and down.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I think people can relate to that too. And whenever
things were they would always be invited for holidays. Oftentimes
they would come from the holidays and some of my
friends be like, I don't understand. I'm like, it's all
about the kids. We all, yeah, because kids didn't have
to be born into homes that were split and separated.
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And the more kids feel loved, and.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, that takes a lot of you as a person,
as a woman, as a you know, like I always
say that to my mom, like that's really And it
didn't always. My mom used to like scare the out
of her ex's wife, but now, you know, like they're
like sisters almost. I call them, like, you know, it's
like I have two moms.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I feel like, yeah, Brook, when things are really good,
is were the same. We obviously have a lot in
common and we can commiserate a lot too about things,
but at the end of the day, it's like we're
one big, blended family, and I love when it's peaceful
and harmonious, and I've always tried to do that as
much as possible.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
That's it, And I mean that just speaks to you
as a mom, you know, and what kind of mom
you are? Wait, have the girls made up? I need
to know.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, But they're sisters, right. So my sister and I
are eighteen months apart, and we would fight all the
time too, stupid little fights. And Samuel Lula are fifteen
months apart. Elouise is much younger than them, but they will.
They would. They were when we've been here in New
York doing press and it's the first time them doing
press with this show. It's so funny because they would.
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People have asked that and we're like looked at each
other and like, how many fights have we gotten into today?
They fight all the time, but they it's stupid and
then they get over it and it quickly. Yeah. But
on our show, there was a particular situation that lasted
quite a long time, and I think doing a reality
show is when you see yourself when you see it.
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And also it was great because even though we're filming
our life, there were times where I would push like,
we're getting together for dinner. I don't care, you have
to come, and it forced them to also be there
and have work through it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, and on the show people will see too. As
a as a parent, I would have to I would
struggle oftentimes one where they would just want me to
butt out of it, but where I would tell them, Okay,
you're going to look back at this and be like,
we're fighting over stupid, silly stuff. I know now it
seems like a big deal, but there'll be bigger issues later.
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So yeah, it's like get through it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But when you're in and it's hard to remember that,
especially when you're with your siblings. I don't have a sister,
but I have friends like sisters. But it's so different,
like to have a sister. I imagine that's like such a
different relationship because my brother's and I fight, but not
in the same you know. It's like now, it's like
so different.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, they have a lot of the same friends, they.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right, and they're so close together and eight.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, so we're all on the same floor of our
hotel and you know, so they have their friends that
they've seen here in New York and they they're getting
along I think today, which is great.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
How has it been like doing this process with them,
like doing press with them? It must be so cool
to like be able to do it with your kids.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, it's so fun for me.
I just I told them, I said, enjoy this moment
because it's really special and it's so surreal for me
because I was twenty years old when I got my
first acting job. Sammy's twenty she's turning twenty one next weekend,
and Lola's nineteen and I was not doing press though
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at those It took a few years before I had
a project that warn't at that. But they I just said,
just enjoy this moment. And it's so crazy for me
to look at them and like I remember being their
age starting out in the business. It's very surreal and
it's really Lola got asked to sign her first autograph
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and she was like it was so cute, so cute weet.
So it's fun for me as their mom to see them,
you know, experience all of this.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, and like have this amazing thing that you guys
all get to share together. And is Sammy still doing OnlyFans?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
She is?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I really I've always said, like what I just I've
had my oldest I just had his ber Mitzvah, and
I was like, I think I need to do an
only fans to pay for it, and I'm so down,
like I need tips. I do want to speak to
her actually, because she has to give me some tips.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Good. You know what she said she was going to join.
I truly I did not what it was and I
had to google it and and I all I said
to her was just make sure that this is something
you really want to do. It could be perceived a
certain way, and I just want you to be prepared
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for that. And she went ahead and did it. And
then when she got a lot of backlash as her mom,
I was obviously very upset about it, and I posted
something about it, and then I just made an offhand
comment like maybe I should join, and then I did.
And not to sound like creepy or anything like a
(15:37):
weird whatever, but it's more about, you know, I feel
very as a woman being when you're in control of
what you want out there and the narrative. Yeah, yeah,
Like it's there's something very empowering about that. And also
after I did a movie years ago, Wild things people
assumed I was that character when I was playing a
(15:57):
part and I was, you know, a sex symbol, and
magazines and stuff like that perceived that way, and so
it just kind of, you know, I felt bad that
my daughter at that age was getting such backlash, and
so I did the same thing. And I just as
a woman, we can make her own choices, and she
(16:20):
controls what's on her page. By the way, I've never
gone on she hasn't seen mine either, and she's able,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
To she gets she's the one that's calling the shots
for what is comfortable for her, right and that's such
a beautiful I mean, like I think like that is
you talked about it ind in the episode. You were saying,
how you know she really it's actually an empowering thing
and it switches the way you think about something like that.
(16:47):
But I actually was just talking to my friend who
is now only fans, is doing like workout regiments and
like all these it's becoming like a huge platform for
I mean, you anybody can do anything on there, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's the thing it's people assume it's more risque, but
it's all what you put on there. It's not also
like I walk.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Down the street and girls are wearing less than they're
wearing on the only fan. So I'm like, you know
now that I see, like what the what we were
growing up was like nineties grunge and it's coming back
a little bit. But now like it's crazy when I
you know, the dresses, all the things that allus right
thirteen year old girls are wearing. I'm like, we're.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Fine, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And so do you miss like the acting part and
when you're doing this or.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You like, you know, I did do a couple of
projects while we were filming this last year. I did
Special Forces and then right after that we were in
pre production for our show, and we started filming in
July and up until right before Christmas is when we
(18:06):
wrapped everything with all the interviews and stuff. So I
really wanted to focus on our show because it's.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Uh, well the labor of love family.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, and so, but I I'm very lucky that I'm
still able to do other jobs too in between.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And but do you prefer one or the other?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I love bowls, I really do, and I love doing reality.
A lot of times will film me doing other things too,
you know, when I've done Housewives. We have filmed me
acting and on our show, we filmed me going on location,
uh when I left and stuff. So that's part of
reality is at least you know, we're able to film
(18:49):
part of our real life too. Do you do.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
You do you watch the Other Housewives? Like franchises are
really just not so much.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I do. I I am a fan of the Housewives
as well. I do have to get caught up with
Beverly Hills. I haven't seen a lot of the season.
I need to get caught up with. It's wild. I heard.
I'm friends with quite a few of them, so I
have to get caught up with that. I did watch
the New York New reboot, and I've watched New Jersey.
(19:22):
But I love the Housewives. That's why I did the show, because.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I was saying, I love it so much. My mom
and Andy are really good friends. And so I got
to go to his baby shower in La and oh
my god, I was like, this is it was crazy.
I told him. I was like, this is my dream
come true. And I'm around famous people all the time,
and literally the I became like I couldn't. I felt
(19:48):
like a kid at Disneyland with like an autograph book
Bondie like I was out of my mind. It's like
the only thing I care about. I love housewives. I'm
like a Housewives queen. I don't know, it's so why Yeah,
and Alex always get annoyed when we go to dinner
because I'm like, tell me everything, and he's like, stop
talking to me about how S lives. But sometimes, you know,
(20:10):
like it's hard to watch when women are being like
so mean to each other. Sometimes it becomes like that's
when I get like, oh, this isn't you know. There's
some times when I'm just like this isn't. It's fun
when you're watching it and there can be like shady
things right, funny way, but when it's really really unkind,
it becomes like sometimes too much to like you know,
(20:33):
and I mean I.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Think there could be a little fight and then get
over it and have another fight if last the whole season.
I'm like, this can get a little boring, yeah about
something else. And it's also just.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Like you know, I mean, I don't know, especially like
at this time in our world, like I feel like
women have to just lift up other women and I
don't know, sometimes like I yeah, I worry about that.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Sometimes people do like to see women have fun together too.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, it's women, I mean friendship. My friendships with my
girlfriends are one of the most important things in my life,
you know, just like as important as my relationship with
my husband and my kids. You know, it's so important.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, And do you and you have like guests come
on the show like you have some of the housewives
come on.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know. I am really truly good friends with a
lot of them. Canille Grammar, I've known her for years.
Sutton I met doing a show. We've become very good friends.
I became friends with Katy Hilton Garcel I've known since
we were, you know, starting out in the business, so
(21:48):
genuinely we're good, you know, good friends. And I wanted
to also show that too. And then I filmed with
Erica Jane and that came about because our for my
first season on the show, I feel like her and
I we had a connection. We became friends on the show,
and then my second season. Even from the beginning of
my second season, I just felt like a different shift
(22:11):
and energy and then it went really sideways and I
felt there was just some unfinished you know, between the
two of us, and so I was glad that she
filmed with me, and I'm glad that we were able
to reconnect and have that moment.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And do you feel like you're in a better place now?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well you'll have to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Okay, I'm so excited. So when do you think that
when you film with your girls, do you feel like
protective of what they say? Or it's just like you
guys forget that the cameras are even there.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's so funny. The only thing people had asked me
did we have any rules of what we could couldn't
talk about? And we didn't. All I said to the
girls was I wanted just be yourself, be you really themselves,
to the point where I was like, oh my gosh,
they don't really tone it down at all. And I
(23:09):
and I said like, you know, uh, you know this
is gonna be on TV. Yeah, glad of yourself. And
they're like, yeah, we're doing a reality show and okay,
you know so it. But I'm I'd rather than be
completely their true, authentic self. Then of course, I did
not want anything to feel set up or rehearsed or
(23:30):
any of that. And that's why I just told them,
just you be you.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think people think sometimes reality show like reality is
all set up, it's like a and it's not. I mean,
it's like literally sometimes you forget that the cameras.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Are even there. Yeah, no, it's true.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I mean I have been on I've never done
a reality show on my own, but I've gone on
like friends or whatever where there are cameras there and
I forget that they're there and I say something so
insane and I then have to like catch myself because
I am not, you know, a real start. So I'm like,
oh my god, can.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You cut that? Can you erase that?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You know, because it's like your yourself and then you
you're like, you know, like life just happens, yeah, and
then they become you know, do you? Is there anything
else like in your lifetime? Would you ever write a book?
Would you write like a memoir? Would that be something
you would do.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I did do a memoir shortly after I got divorced,
and I focused more about the feelings of going through divorce,
going through something public. I didn't want to like say
anything negative. Yeah you know, but I may maybe later
I would do like a memoir with everything. But I
(24:42):
would also shortly before Uh, Jackie Collins passed away. I
went to lunch with her a few years before, and
I really want her, I wanted to do would rather
the story be in an all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
That's so cool. That's great. I bet you could find
it the way.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm you know, because for me to do a memoir
memoir where I'm really yeah, sharing stories my whole career
and stuff, I just I'm not one that likes to
say names, and I would talk about situations, but I
wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
You should do that. That's such a good idea. The
Jackie Collins World of Books was just the best ever,
I know. I mean, there's nothing better. I wish like
there was like a show like that would be a
movie I would die to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
There's She loved my stories, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, you have some pretty amazing ones.
Is there anything else you feel like you've not done
yet that you really, really really want to do.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I want to do a Marvel movie, and I so
badly want to do a movie with Quentin Tarantie. You know,
I love him. He's such an incredible filmmaker and that's
always been a dream of mine to work with him.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think he like moved to Israel. Is that possible.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I have no idea. I think he did.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
My dad just saw him because my dad went to
Israel to do a TV show a year ago and
they had dinner, and I think he I think he
married like an Israeli woman, and I think he lives there.
I could be wrong, but I really believe that that's
the case.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Possibly, I don't know where he lives.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, yeah, he might have to go to Israel.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You mightn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, No, He's amazing. He's like, yeah, so yeah,
it was. It's I remember seeing him once at a
party and I was like, this is crazy. I mean
he's so his mind works in a.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Way that's so different, incredible.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
He really is.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Those are And then I would love a cooking show.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Oh do you love to cook?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I do. I'm terrible at it, but I love to cook.
I'm a messy cook. I just and then does Aaron
clean up after? He's like, can you like clean as
you go? I'm like no, because what if I need
that for I'm going to say with Food Network, I
watch all those shows. I Love you You, being super
Starstruck with Bravo, The es me. It's the chefs from
(27:18):
Food Network.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's so cool. My son really wants to be a chef.
He's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
I really love Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He cooks all day long and I love to cook too,
and so we cook together. But but it's funny. Is
there like one thing that you like? He loves to
make steak. Is there something that you're like excellent at?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, I'm trying to perfect homemade pasta, which oh yeah, yeah,
I posted videos about that on my Instagram. But I
love Italy. Italy is one of my favorite places to visit,
and I feel like you can eat anything there. It's
true pizza pasta, and it's like you don't gain twenty
(27:58):
pounds eating it. You don't feel it from the gluten
and all that. In my opinion, you're right. I like
and I like that everything so fresh, they cook what's
in the garden. And but I I really am. I
have so many different things to make. I get that
double zero flower. I still cannot get the noodles correct,
so I am working on that.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
What do you what is your favorite place? Where is
your favorite place to go in Italy?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I love the Amalfi Coast, but I also love like Tuscany,
and I was lucky enough a couple of years ago
to film in Turin, Italy. I love all of it,
and it's each place is very different from one another.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But I just went for the first time last summer
and I loved it. I've never been before, and I
was never a huge traveler. Like I would travel, I
would go to Hawaii or skiing or something like very like,
but I never really had been to a bunch of
places in Europe.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And we went.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
We took our boys and we went to Venice and
Rome and Pulia. And I feel like it like changed
my life. And meanwhile, like getting like like gearing up
for the trip, I fully went on Manjaro. I was
like so excited to like and then I get there
and it's like I did not gain a pound because
I just are eating and it's all even. I feel
(29:33):
like even the wine there is different. It doesn't make
you feel sick. I can't understand, how about it.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I ate pizza almost every day and I lost four
pounds there, and I think it's because I was walking
so much. But I couldn't believed that I could eat
all of these carbs all day long.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I can't like, yeah, it's just it's amazing. Like, I
loved every minute of it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What was your favorite place when you went?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I loved all of it. I really really really loved Venice.
I've ever been and it's everyone. Yeah, everyone was like
skip it, you're not gonna love it. I couldn't believe it.
I was like, it's magic.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I couldn't even like. I was like this is And
now I keep saying to my husband like I want
to go everywhere, like I just want to explore.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I all that's so good.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, I heard the Dolomites are really amazing. Have you
ever been there?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I haven't been there yet.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Can you tell me more about Special Forces?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Sure? Well what would you like to know?
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I don't know anything about it, but everyone's obsessed with it.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Have you ever seen a clip where nothing okay? So
it's basically a competition with yourself and it is a
true real reality show where even the producers are not
around these men. They're the ds. These three gentlemen that
were there, they were in the military, they've done all
(30:56):
kinds of their Everything that they've done is crazy. So
there was sixteen of us that went and we didn't
know who else was going. We filmed in Wales. This
was their third season. We all sleep in the same
place on cots, sleeping bag, pillow and it is. The
(31:18):
stuff we had to do was crazy. I lasted two days.
I got injured, I jumped, I had my second first
thing I had to well after we get pushed off
into the water and swam and all that. You have
to do push ups. There's no craft service, there's barely
any food.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Do you prepare like you like, do you know what
you're going into? Do you like more mentally or physically
for it?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well? You you have. They didn't tell us exactly what
we were doing, but I when I found out I
was doing it for sure. I had a thing with
the toilet because on the show you'll see there's like
outhouses and the door is cut where you could see
people's feet, and so I was like, I am not
going to go national television and do that. So I
(32:03):
had to have a toilet like that had the door
that was from for me to like, I'm not doing that.
That's where I draw the line. But I found out
three weeks before I was going, and I turned down
the show a few times because I was scared and
I thought, you know what, because I am scared, I'm
(32:24):
going to do it and it's going to take me
out of my comfort zone. My oldest daughters were so
mad at me. They were crying actually when I was scared.
They were so scared that I wasn't going to make
it back home. And also we have to turn our
phones in for real, so I can't text anybody or call.
But I had to jump off of this boat onto
(32:45):
a helicopter and then climb into the helicopter when it
was hanging and we were above the I receipt. I
could not climb in. I just didn't have to. I
was able to hang on, but I was like, I
can't get up there, and I was like, how I
can fall off of that thing. And then the second
day is where I got injured. I had to jump
off this bridge and I ruptured my implants and hurt
(33:08):
my hit berry whatever. So I had opt out. So
but if that's crazy, the crazy show, I have to
watch it. I'm glad I did it because I met
amazing people on the show, but I wouldn't do it
again because it is dangerous for me. Intense. Yeah, it's
(33:30):
so physical, like I'm not an athlete like pilates doesn't
cut it doing this.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I did see you working out in the gym though
it seems like you might be like you're very strong.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, I feel like, yeah that but even and some
people are like, is it because you're the age? Is
it an age thing? But I was really thinking about
even if I was twenty, I still would have had
a really hard time doing it because I'm not an athlete.
You know, Like the backpath they call it the bergen
(33:59):
or whatever. I called it the burken because I couldn't
remember the name of the thing. It's almost it's half
my size heightwise, and the weight of it was so heavy.
That's like cam Newton and Golden Tate. These guys had
the same weight. And they would put this bag of
gravel and rocks in it and we would have to
(34:21):
weigh it, and if we didn't have enough weight the
weight that they said it had to be, we had
to add more gravel. I'm like, I can't even do
this freaking thing, and you have to run with it.
So I just like, I don't care what age I am,
I'm carry the damn ass thing. That was my hardest
thing was running with that on my back. It was
(34:45):
barely with Oh my gosh, but I'm glad I did it,
and yeah, you conquered a fear.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
You did it. And I'm sure you're so happy that
you were coming home.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yes they were.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
They were like, we did You're done?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, no, I'm glad I did it. But I'm good.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
How long are you in New York for?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
We've been here for about a week and a half
and then we go home this week. Nice. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
So I'm really excited. I can't wait for everyone to
see the show. When does it premiere?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this airs on Tuesday nights after Housewives of Beverly Hills.
We got the best time. I'm so excited. And the
girls and I are doing Watch What Happens Live tomorrow
and they're going to be Mocktail bartenders and who's your
guest sutton.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yun fun night.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for the girls to
do his show, you know, to be the bartenders on
the show.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, but it's so special. It's it's like such a
fun thing that you guys all get to do together.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
So excited. The last time they were at Watch What
Happens Live was they were so little. We were in
New York. I was filming a TV show. It was
Hurricane Sandy. Oh my gosh, it was Halloween and I
did Andy's show and the girls were in the going
to the offices. They're getting candy because it was Halloween
(36:16):
and we were stuck here.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's so. I remember when during Hurricanes Sandy, my dad
was doing a play, actually in New York, and he
was doing a Broadway play and it was I'd never
seen anything like that.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
No, it was insane. It was insane.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, now you get to go back in the weather.
It won't be horrible, and you know, the girls can
enjoy it more.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They were probably close to Andy's kids. Age is when
your last almost.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Oh my gosh. I love watch What Happens Live. It's
so fun. It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's fun to watch show.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for doing this, Thank
you for having me. I'm so grateful and I can't
wait for you know, season two.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm maybe you can interview my daughters because I'm sure
they will love to. I would love being the daughter,
you know, and you doing what you're doing. It's so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Really, oh it's really wonderful.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Thank you. I would love to talk to them, so
let's let's let's get that together and I'll give them
my phone number and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Thank you so much, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
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