March 26, 2025 • 24 mins
After a near-death health scare, our ladies are finally back at the mic together again. Zoe and Stacey reunite and fill everyone in on Stacey's absence and why she credits her daughter for being alive today.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
and welcome back to another episode of What in the
Winkler Cay cute you you have to put the microphone
in front of your mouth. Oh, for God's so, we're
back for another episode and my co host is finally back. Cheers.
Let's cheers. Microphones, cheers, cheers. I'm so happy you're back. Mom,
(00:27):
I'm so happy I'm back. So everyone's really missed you
and the p I know it's true. I get lots
of dms, babe. So the premise of this podcast was
supposed to be a mother daughter podcast. That's what we
sold it as. That's what it was. And then two
weeks into beginning this process, you ended up at Cedar Sinai.
(00:51):
That's correct, where you stayed for quite some time, quite sometime.
You know, lots of people say, you know, for the holidays,
I was in Hawaii, I went to Norway, I went
I just was home with the family. We had a
fabulous time. I holiday at the hospital. You sure did.
(01:13):
I'm going to remind you one more time that the microphone.
Oh my god, thank you. Okay, So I love when
you say it that way. It's like when you were
a teacher. I'm going to remind you. Yeah, well, I'm
just giving you friendly reminders. I love that. So I
just want to say that you saved my life. Well
I did save your life, Yes, you did. Do you
(01:35):
want to say it again? Just affect? Do I turn
to someone Zoe? Zoe saved my life? I did? She
truly did. That is the truth. So my mom was
really really sick with it, just like well Dana. First,
Dana felt my head is like best higher life best friend. Yeah,
(01:57):
everything in my parents' life. And she took incredible care
of my mom. Yeah. But I kept saying that something
was off, and I kept fighting you, and you kept
yelling at me, and I kept calling your doctor at
the time, saying something's not right, and you kept screaming
at me, telling me that I was never to get
(02:18):
involved in well, because you were. Let's just say you
said something was not right, but you were calling him
and reading him the Riot Act. Let's not just say
you were calling saying, Hi, something's not right with my mom. No,
that's not true. First of all, when you're anxious and
you know what, it's fine. And thank God that you
(02:39):
did so big mistake. It's huge. So we ended up
at the hospital with you on like I think it
was November twenty first, the week of Thanksgiving, and then
you ended up basically having like sepsis right, well close
to sepsis, right, I don't remember the exact word, but
it actually works. Yeah, probably yes, But no one told
(03:03):
me at the time how serious it was, substiss And
when we got to the hospital on that day, the
you know, Tuesday or the Monday before Thanksgiving, I don't
remember if it was Monday or Tuesday, but I was
on my way to dinner with some girlfriends and Dad
called me and said, mom has a fever. We're going
to go to the hospital. And I turned the car
(03:24):
around and I came and picked you guys up. We
went to the hospital and when we walked in, we
finally got into the er and we got into a
room in the ear the incredible woman doctor I think
her name was doctor Shiner. She was incredible. She was
the Yes, she said, you're two weeks too late and
you should have been here two weeks ago. You mean
to live, No, to be at the hospital, but yes,
(03:47):
also to live. But I mean, we're being funny about it,
but it was you almost died. I understand, but I
didn't know at the time, and I didn't know that
it was as serious says as it was when I
was chiding you for that's okay, I don't care, it's okay.
I really I stuck. I'm very yeah, I'm not easily
(04:12):
I raised you away. I'm not easily take yeah. I
never take no for an answer. So I didn't really care,
and I just kept going and I and then we
ended up hiring these incredible two doctors, these two women
who also I mean, they really saved your life and
(04:33):
they are two of the most incredible women. And it
was right before the holidays, so it was right it
was in December, and they said, you know, we don't
really take on patients in crisis, and like right before
the holidays, and I said, like, you have to do this.
And I cried and cried and cried, and they took
you on. And now we love them so much, we
(04:54):
do we are devoted to them. And they made Honestly,
it was like it was like Daddy, it was my team,
you know, your team actors saying I just want to
thank my team. Yeah, but it was a team. I mean,
they had a cardiologious they have every single you had
physical therapy with that amazing woman. You had every and
(05:17):
you know, we didn't really talk about it during so
I didn't really ever address it on the podcast until
you were already out of the woods, because I just
didn't It wasn't my story to tell, it was yours.
And I think what's so incredible is that you just
like defied the odds in a way I can't explain.
And now you're here back with me, and I'm so
(05:41):
beyond grateful. I can't even explain to you how happy
I am. You know what, I feel the same way,
And I feel like I've been given a second chance.
I really do, and I you have. Yeah, I mean
it is something. I mean, it's a good thing that
(06:04):
I didn't know how sick I was well. The doctors, doctor,
both of those doctors said she won't remember any of this,
and I was like shocked. But the truth is you
you don't remember a lot of it because the infection
was so severe that you were kind of really out
(06:24):
of it. And and I think, like, I think, what's
I don't know. Something that has stuck with me is
that you know the life cycle is that, like your
parents get older and eventually they, you know, are infants
(06:44):
that take care of But also like I just thought
to myself, like I only have boys, Like who's going
to take care of me? Because daughters are just I
have to say, a daughter is a different kind of beast.
Like it is just true. And I was joking that
I was basically Shirley McLean in terms of endearment, but
(07:06):
I was the daughter, not the mother. Like and every
time a doctor would come in, I would take like
copious notes and Dad and I would send the exact
note that we would have the exact same conversation. In
Dad's notes would be like literally like an idiot wrote them,
and mine would be like I love him, He's amazing,
he's been just like men and women are so different total,
And my notes would be like, you know, like I
(07:28):
could have gone to Harvard. I missed my calling. You
know what, you you missed your calling and yet you
are extraordinary. And I just want to say for any
mothers who have daughters who are feisty and make you
(07:49):
crazy because everything is a negotiation. Time to go to bed. Nope,
you told me that this and that, and you're too
overwhelmed to even know if you in fact told her
or if she's just you know, playing You anybody who
(08:10):
has a daughter who is like forthright and you want
to just crumble. Those girls make strong women, the strongest women.
If you live through the experience of having a young,
very strong daughter, it will pay you back in spades.
(08:35):
And beyond that, it is Zoe can do anything. That's
why when she says she's missed her calling. She could
have been at Harvard. She could have definitely been. But
she love the best mind and the best heart combination
(08:56):
of anyone I've ever met. You are extraordinary and you
did save my life. And I really did not want
to die when I knew that I was. I really
wanted to be here. And I owe you big time.
(09:17):
I don't have a tremendous amount of time to pay
you back, but I really do owe you big time.
You are the gift. I'll take a burkin and then ah,
and then you're the gift. Thank You're welcome, the gift
that keeps on gifting. Yeah, I feel like I just
feel so lucky. And what I was saying was that
you know that you know, but I just knew that
(09:40):
this was not the time, Like I just knew it.
And I kept talking to Anita co throughout the whole thing,
and she was like, Oh, She's not going out like this,
Steacy Winkler's not going out like this. Sarah. Yeah, because
you're so strong. And you said to me a couple
of days after you got home for like the third time,
because you come home and then you go back to
(10:01):
the hospital. You said, I'm really a warrior. And that
is exactly how I would describe you. You are a warrior.
And I cannot even I mean, I don't even know
how to put into words what it means for me
to be able to sit here with you right now
and do this with you and live life with you
(10:21):
and continue to live life with you. You know, you
were able to make it to Ace's bar Mitzvah, which
was like a dream kind true. That was your goal
and you did it and you did it with flying colors,
and you know, I have all these things that like
I still want to do with you. Yeah, and I'm
so excited, very busy. Oh great, and I want to
pick up the boys from camp this year. Yeah, We're
(10:41):
definitely going to do that. So Daddy is close to
Boston or not. Okay, great, we'll go together. So last
year my mom came with me. Actually this leads us
into our but which the story she was going to tell.
So last year my mom came with me, Ace, my oldest,
went to camp for three and a half weeks in
on the East Coast. And this year my old Jewels
is also going to go with him. So they're both
(11:02):
gonna be gone for three and a half weeks. It's
just gonna be me and Rob and Gus at home,
which should be like, I don't even lively Lively. Gus
is me as a child. So I now understand and
have empathy for my mom, where before I just couldn't understand.
Now I really understand. But when we went and picked
up my son from camp, my mom, we were walking
(11:26):
to dinner. Right after we'd gotten him, we came back
to the hotel. He showered because God knows he needed
a shower. This was amazing. May I tell this? Sure?
Please go ahead. We picked up Ace and he all
of a sudden he looked sixteen years old and he
was twelve, and he had grown so much taller. I
(11:50):
didn't actually realize it was within a three and a
half week period. It felt like he'd been gone for
six months. But it looks so much taller, and he
looked so slim. And I said to him, as we're
walking to dinner, acy, you look so fantastic. You did
you lose weight while you were there? And Zoe turned
(12:16):
around like the devil and said to me, we don't
use that term anymore. No, I said, we don't talk
about weight family. Oh right, this is even more rich.
We don't talk about weight in our family, which I
found particularly rich because we have done nothing but talk
(12:38):
about weight throughout the years. But what I was talking
about my nuclear family now, which is and my boys
and my husband. Yes you were, yes, you were your
nuclear family. But I will say to you, I was
like being scolded in the middle of the street of Boston.
(13:01):
My grandson was looking at me, looking at Zoe, and
he knows who we are exactly. It was strange, It
was bizarre. And then my daughter said, it's two twenty
five and we don't talk about those things. Or maybe
(13:23):
was it two thousand, It was twenty twenty four, Ye,
it was. I was chastised. So so now we don't
speak about weight, No, we don't comment we don't comment
on people's weights. Nuclear family, we don't. We don't, not
in our nuclear family. Nope. Here's then we went to
(13:51):
this like streetwear store and there was this brand that
was what was it called. He was like skinny and
rich or something. It was like something crazy diet diet something. Yes,
And she kept holding it up and following me around
the store. Right, what was that story? That was such
a good store. It was like all cool brands for
kit for adults. But Ace was yeah, yeah, they had Yeah,
(14:17):
you loved that. Ace loved. I would pick up a
T shirt and it was for a house payment, literally
a house payment. It was shocking. Well now he like,
you know, wears like adults, you know, clothing and stuff.
He's the cutest. Well, while you were gone, I had
two housewives on wait, while I was gone on your
(14:41):
retreat at Cedars. Oh you mean while I was almost gone,
go on, I had Derinda Dirinda I make it nice.
I had her. I had Derinda and I had Denise Richards.
She was just the most recent one. She was amazing.
Did you read She was so lovely, Like I can't
(15:03):
even bet she is. She is so nice. And my
friend Alex Baskin is doing her new show, and I
had told him that she was coming on, and he
was so like complimentary of her. And when I when
I spoke to her, she was so nice and normal. Yeah,
but she seemed normal. She was amazing. I think a
fantastic mother. Yeah, she seems like such a good mom.
(15:24):
And I really enjoyed having her on. Those were like
my two top guy. Yeah, I really have wives. Did
you tell Andy? I told him? And I'm dying for more.
I really want some of the Salt Lake City ladies.
And I'm very into Atlanta right now. Are you watching?
Did I hear something about Phaedra had like a breakdown
(15:45):
or something? No, I love I love Porscha too. She's back.
But I don't think Phaedra would think was on. She's
on like married to medicine or something. I don't know
she's on something, married to medicine. I hardly think so,
I think, but she's a lawyer. I think she is.
(16:05):
How do you think we maintain such a good relationship
with each other? And not to say that it hasn't
been through ups and downs when I was younger, Oh,
ups and downs? Really? I mean like when you would
hang up on me in your dorm and I had
to call the lobby of the dorm to have them
get you the pharmacy. You called every place in Madison, Wisconsin.
(16:28):
I should have been called tracker mom. Yeah, that's true.
But the thing was that I think that it's been
through time, through work, but I think that if you
have that basic love there and respect, mutual respect, you
(16:49):
can get through anything. But the key for us was
that you wouldn't hang up on me anymore because that
made me insane. Yeah, and when I would try to
have a discussion, you'd say, Okay, I'm sorry you feel
that way. Click, and then she would not answer her
(17:10):
phone again. And it I now know because one of
my team members in my new life there's at arapist,
and I now know that that would trigger me because
it reminded me of my mother. Huh. I knew you
were going to say that, and and that cut off
(17:32):
and that is one of the most difficult things. Well,
it's too painful for me, so I just cut it off. Yeah,
but I am. But I haven't hung up on you
in years, No, you haven't. Yeah, I mean we're talking
about when I was like a teenager, right, or like
in college, maybe my twenties, maybe early thirties. We're talking
far more recently, not in my forties, maybe not, maybe
(17:56):
a couple of ones in your forties, and maybe you
haven't hung up. Maybe this time you now, at this time,
you say, Okay, well I'm busy. I have a bunch
of things to do. Click and then I call back.
No answer, no answer, no answer for well, I'll stop
doing that. But I don't do that anymore, but I will,
(18:17):
I'll be more cognizant of that, because I don't want
to certainly resemble your mother. That would be unfortunate, would
be very unfortunate. But she was a good cook. She
was the best cook. And by the way, so were you.
So are you. You're a great cook. You don't do
it so often, Ricardo does say, but you're a very
good cook. When you do cook, you're a great cook. Yes,
(18:38):
thank you very much. You need to discuss that part
of it. Although I do love to cook, but I
love being in your house and being at your house
for dinner, and I love when you guys come to
dinner so cozy and so good. I think it's important,
(19:03):
like the you know, in every relationship, you have to
give each other grace. And I feel like I didn't
give you grace because you were my mom, and so
I just figured that you should. You're agreeing, Yeah, I
think it's really hard for a kid to give a
parent grace. It's like a no. And by the way,
you know, in the best of worlds, a kid shouldn't
(19:26):
have to give a parent. Well that's not true. I mean,
we're parents are still human beings. Yes, they're human beings,
but it's a you. You you have to suck up
a lot of stuff when you're a parent, and you know,
go into your room and scream. Yeah. Fortunately I screamed
in front of you, but everybody does. Last night, I
(19:50):
lost my mind at GUS in a way that I
can't explain. At bedtime, like after an hour of being
so calm and so and then in two seconds, the
whole thing just gets completely fucked because you've just like
ruined it. Even if you've been well, they might like
I totally have been trying not to. You can say
fuck God, but I literally, like, thank fucking forty minutes
(20:11):
of like being amazing and then two minutes of losing
your shit, and only the two minutes of losing your
mind is what is just imprints? Yeah kind of, but
that's not really always true. And someday the funniest thing
is you will be able to laugh about it with him. Yeah,
if you live through it, that's it's really hard. Yeah,
(20:33):
that's the trick I was. I posted some video of
Gus and Aaron Baclar said, it's really shocking that you've
met your match in a human being and it's your child,
and I realized that's true, like he's and I think
maybe that was me for you. You. I if people
ask me about things like when did Zoey first talk
(20:59):
in the delivery as as we as she was coming out,
she was bothered by what I had eaten the night before.
I mean, you have, You've been talking your whole life.
But what you do is you. The negotiation part was insane.
(21:24):
And then when you were singing, you wanted to go
to music class, but except you wanted to be Madonna
at the time, but you didn't want to go through
the classes. I just wanted to wear leopard skin and
be on television. Yeah, that was I couldn't understand why
(21:44):
a star that's just a person's But I'm telling you,
you are the most fun. And you make me laugh
so hard that I I have to bring along diapers
and we do how we do are funny, we do.
(22:05):
We have a really good time together and we laugh
a lot. And I am so excited that we have
like all this fun stuff coming up, like going to
go pick up Ace at camp, Ace angels at camp together.
And we're gonna go away for Christmas. Oh right, yeah,
I can't wait. I'm going. Actually I leave on Monday
to go to the same hotel yea five days with
(22:29):
the kids. And I just realized it's the first trip
I think where it's just the five of us, Me
and Rob and the boys. Usually we go with you guys,
or with Rob's family or with friends, and it's really
just the five of us. And I'm really excited. I wonder, Yeah,
I'm excited. So interesting. So you're really on your own. Yeah,
so we'll see what is like. Yeah, that'll be don't
(22:50):
order extra drinks Robin with the kids. Yeah, Rob's gonna
have a talk with the kids about like ordering smoothies.
But then I realized we should have this talk when
we go with you guys and with the with my
in laws too. We shouldn't have No, we shouldn't just
have the conversation ding dung, ding dung, but don't it
hits extra hard, very so I think I think we'll
(23:11):
have that moment. Well, Mom, I'm really really really really
really happy that you're back, and I'm happy that I'm back.
And again, if it hadn't been for you and your
perseverance and your temper and your stick touitiveness, that would
have been a prop I know you had been sitting
(23:34):
here with the twenty one year old stepmother, that would
have been sad. I would have poisoned her. So don't worry.
Good Okay, so then we have no problem. I love you,
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You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
and welcome back to another episode of What in the
Winkler Cay cute you you have to put the microphone
in front of your mouth. Oh, for God's so, we're
back for another episode and my co host is finally back. Cheers.
Let's cheers. Microphones, cheers, cheers. I'm so happy you're back. Mom,
(00:27):
I'm so happy I'm back. So everyone's really missed you
and the p I know it's true. I get lots
of dms, babe. So the premise of this podcast was
supposed to be a mother daughter podcast. That's what we
sold it as. That's what it was. And then two
weeks into beginning this process, you ended up at Cedar Sinai.
(00:51):
That's correct, where you stayed for quite some time, quite sometime.
You know, lots of people say, you know, for the holidays,
I was in Hawaii, I went to Norway, I went
I just was home with the family. We had a
fabulous time. I holiday at the hospital. You sure did.
(01:13):
I'm going to remind you one more time that the microphone.
Oh my god, thank you. Okay, So I love when
you say it that way. It's like when you were
a teacher. I'm going to remind you. Yeah, well, I'm
just giving you friendly reminders. I love that. So I
just want to say that you saved my life. Well
I did save your life, Yes, you did. Do you
(01:35):
want to say it again? Just affect? Do I turn
to someone Zoe? Zoe saved my life? I did? She
truly did. That is the truth. So my mom was
really really sick with it, just like well Dana. First,
Dana felt my head is like best higher life best friend. Yeah,
(01:57):
everything in my parents' life. And she took incredible care
of my mom. Yeah. But I kept saying that something
was off, and I kept fighting you, and you kept
yelling at me, and I kept calling your doctor at
the time, saying something's not right, and you kept screaming
at me, telling me that I was never to get
(02:18):
involved in well, because you were. Let's just say you
said something was not right, but you were calling him
and reading him the Riot Act. Let's not just say
you were calling saying, Hi, something's not right with my mom. No,
that's not true. First of all, when you're anxious and
you know what, it's fine. And thank God that you
(02:39):
did so big mistake. It's huge. So we ended up
at the hospital with you on like I think it
was November twenty first, the week of Thanksgiving, and then
you ended up basically having like sepsis right, well close
to sepsis, right, I don't remember the exact word, but
it actually works. Yeah, probably yes, But no one told
(03:03):
me at the time how serious it was, substiss And
when we got to the hospital on that day, the
you know, Tuesday or the Monday before Thanksgiving, I don't
remember if it was Monday or Tuesday, but I was
on my way to dinner with some girlfriends and Dad
called me and said, mom has a fever. We're going
to go to the hospital. And I turned the car
(03:24):
around and I came and picked you guys up. We
went to the hospital and when we walked in, we
finally got into the er and we got into a
room in the ear the incredible woman doctor I think
her name was doctor Shiner. She was incredible. She was
the Yes, she said, you're two weeks too late and
you should have been here two weeks ago. You mean
to live, No, to be at the hospital, but yes,
(03:47):
also to live. But I mean, we're being funny about it,
but it was you almost died. I understand, but I
didn't know at the time, and I didn't know that
it was as serious says as it was when I
was chiding you for that's okay, I don't care, it's okay.
I really I stuck. I'm very yeah, I'm not easily
(04:12):
I raised you away. I'm not easily take yeah. I
never take no for an answer. So I didn't really care,
and I just kept going and I and then we
ended up hiring these incredible two doctors, these two women
who also I mean, they really saved your life and
(04:33):
they are two of the most incredible women. And it
was right before the holidays, so it was right it
was in December, and they said, you know, we don't
really take on patients in crisis, and like right before
the holidays, and I said, like, you have to do this.
And I cried and cried and cried, and they took
you on. And now we love them so much, we
(04:54):
do we are devoted to them. And they made Honestly,
it was like it was like Daddy, it was my team,
you know, your team actors saying I just want to
thank my team. Yeah, but it was a team. I mean,
they had a cardiologious they have every single you had
physical therapy with that amazing woman. You had every and
(05:17):
you know, we didn't really talk about it during so
I didn't really ever address it on the podcast until
you were already out of the woods, because I just
didn't It wasn't my story to tell, it was yours.
And I think what's so incredible is that you just
like defied the odds in a way I can't explain.
And now you're here back with me, and I'm so
(05:41):
beyond grateful. I can't even explain to you how happy
I am. You know what, I feel the same way,
And I feel like I've been given a second chance.
I really do, and I you have. Yeah, I mean
it is something. I mean, it's a good thing that
(06:04):
I didn't know how sick I was well. The doctors, doctor,
both of those doctors said she won't remember any of this,
and I was like shocked. But the truth is you
you don't remember a lot of it because the infection
was so severe that you were kind of really out
(06:24):
of it. And and I think, like, I think, what's
I don't know. Something that has stuck with me is
that you know the life cycle is that, like your
parents get older and eventually they, you know, are infants
(06:44):
that take care of But also like I just thought
to myself, like I only have boys, Like who's going
to take care of me? Because daughters are just I
have to say, a daughter is a different kind of beast.
Like it is just true. And I was joking that
I was basically Shirley McLean in terms of endearment, but
(07:06):
I was the daughter, not the mother. Like and every
time a doctor would come in, I would take like
copious notes and Dad and I would send the exact
note that we would have the exact same conversation. In
Dad's notes would be like literally like an idiot wrote them,
and mine would be like I love him, He's amazing,
he's been just like men and women are so different total,
And my notes would be like, you know, like I
(07:28):
could have gone to Harvard. I missed my calling. You
know what, you you missed your calling and yet you
are extraordinary. And I just want to say for any
mothers who have daughters who are feisty and make you
(07:49):
crazy because everything is a negotiation. Time to go to bed. Nope,
you told me that this and that, and you're too
overwhelmed to even know if you in fact told her
or if she's just you know, playing You anybody who
(08:10):
has a daughter who is like forthright and you want
to just crumble. Those girls make strong women, the strongest women.
If you live through the experience of having a young,
very strong daughter, it will pay you back in spades.
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And beyond that, it is Zoe can do anything. That's
why when she says she's missed her calling. She could
have been at Harvard. She could have definitely been. But
she love the best mind and the best heart combination
(08:56):
of anyone I've ever met. You are extraordinary and you
did save my life. And I really did not want
to die when I knew that I was. I really
wanted to be here. And I owe you big time.
(09:17):
I don't have a tremendous amount of time to pay
you back, but I really do owe you big time.
You are the gift. I'll take a burkin and then ah,
and then you're the gift. Thank You're welcome, the gift
that keeps on gifting. Yeah, I feel like I just
feel so lucky. And what I was saying was that
you know that you know, but I just knew that
(09:40):
this was not the time, Like I just knew it.
And I kept talking to Anita co throughout the whole thing,
and she was like, Oh, She's not going out like this,
Steacy Winkler's not going out like this. Sarah. Yeah, because
you're so strong. And you said to me a couple
of days after you got home for like the third time,
because you come home and then you go back to
(10:01):
the hospital. You said, I'm really a warrior. And that
is exactly how I would describe you. You are a warrior.
And I cannot even I mean, I don't even know
how to put into words what it means for me
to be able to sit here with you right now
and do this with you and live life with you
(10:21):
and continue to live life with you. You know, you
were able to make it to Ace's bar Mitzvah, which
was like a dream kind true. That was your goal
and you did it and you did it with flying colors,
and you know, I have all these things that like
I still want to do with you. Yeah, and I'm
so excited, very busy. Oh great, and I want to
pick up the boys from camp this year. Yeah, We're
(10:41):
definitely going to do that. So Daddy is close to
Boston or not. Okay, great, we'll go together. So last
year my mom came with me. Actually this leads us
into our but which the story she was going to tell.
So last year my mom came with me, Ace, my oldest,
went to camp for three and a half weeks in
on the East Coast. And this year my old Jewels
is also going to go with him. So they're both
(11:02):
gonna be gone for three and a half weeks. It's
just gonna be me and Rob and Gus at home,
which should be like, I don't even lively Lively. Gus
is me as a child. So I now understand and
have empathy for my mom, where before I just couldn't understand.
Now I really understand. But when we went and picked
up my son from camp, my mom, we were walking
(11:26):
to dinner. Right after we'd gotten him, we came back
to the hotel. He showered because God knows he needed
a shower. This was amazing. May I tell this? Sure?
Please go ahead. We picked up Ace and he all
of a sudden he looked sixteen years old and he
was twelve, and he had grown so much taller. I
(11:50):
didn't actually realize it was within a three and a
half week period. It felt like he'd been gone for
six months. But it looks so much taller, and he
looked so slim. And I said to him, as we're
walking to dinner, acy, you look so fantastic. You did
you lose weight while you were there? And Zoe turned
(12:16):
around like the devil and said to me, we don't
use that term anymore. No, I said, we don't talk
about weight family. Oh right, this is even more rich.
We don't talk about weight in our family, which I
found particularly rich because we have done nothing but talk
(12:38):
about weight throughout the years. But what I was talking
about my nuclear family now, which is and my boys
and my husband. Yes you were, yes, you were your
nuclear family. But I will say to you, I was
like being scolded in the middle of the street of Boston.
(13:01):
My grandson was looking at me, looking at Zoe, and
he knows who we are exactly. It was strange, It
was bizarre. And then my daughter said, it's two twenty
five and we don't talk about those things. Or maybe
(13:23):
was it two thousand, It was twenty twenty four, Ye,
it was. I was chastised. So so now we don't
speak about weight, No, we don't comment we don't comment
on people's weights. Nuclear family, we don't. We don't, not
in our nuclear family. Nope. Here's then we went to
(13:51):
this like streetwear store and there was this brand that
was what was it called. He was like skinny and
rich or something. It was like something crazy diet diet something. Yes,
And she kept holding it up and following me around
the store. Right, what was that story? That was such
a good store. It was like all cool brands for
kit for adults. But Ace was yeah, yeah, they had Yeah,
(14:17):
you loved that. Ace loved. I would pick up a
T shirt and it was for a house payment, literally
a house payment. It was shocking. Well now he like,
you know, wears like adults, you know, clothing and stuff.
He's the cutest. Well, while you were gone, I had
two housewives on wait, while I was gone on your
(14:41):
retreat at Cedars. Oh you mean while I was almost gone,
go on, I had Derinda Dirinda I make it nice.
I had her. I had Derinda and I had Denise Richards.
She was just the most recent one. She was amazing.
Did you read She was so lovely, Like I can't
(15:03):
even bet she is. She is so nice. And my
friend Alex Baskin is doing her new show, and I
had told him that she was coming on, and he
was so like complimentary of her. And when I when
I spoke to her, she was so nice and normal. Yeah,
but she seemed normal. She was amazing. I think a
fantastic mother. Yeah, she seems like such a good mom.
(15:24):
And I really enjoyed having her on. Those were like
my two top guy. Yeah, I really have wives. Did
you tell Andy? I told him? And I'm dying for more.
I really want some of the Salt Lake City ladies.
And I'm very into Atlanta right now. Are you watching?
Did I hear something about Phaedra had like a breakdown
(15:45):
or something? No, I love I love Porscha too. She's back.
But I don't think Phaedra would think was on. She's
on like married to medicine or something. I don't know
she's on something, married to medicine. I hardly think so,
I think, but she's a lawyer. I think she is.
(16:05):
How do you think we maintain such a good relationship
with each other? And not to say that it hasn't
been through ups and downs when I was younger, Oh,
ups and downs? Really? I mean like when you would
hang up on me in your dorm and I had
to call the lobby of the dorm to have them
get you the pharmacy. You called every place in Madison, Wisconsin.
(16:28):
I should have been called tracker mom. Yeah, that's true.
But the thing was that I think that it's been
through time, through work, but I think that if you
have that basic love there and respect, mutual respect, you
(16:49):
can get through anything. But the key for us was
that you wouldn't hang up on me anymore because that
made me insane. Yeah, and when I would try to
have a discussion, you'd say, Okay, I'm sorry you feel
that way. Click, and then she would not answer her
(17:10):
phone again. And it I now know because one of
my team members in my new life there's at arapist,
and I now know that that would trigger me because
it reminded me of my mother. Huh. I knew you
were going to say that, and and that cut off
(17:32):
and that is one of the most difficult things. Well,
it's too painful for me, so I just cut it off. Yeah,
but I am. But I haven't hung up on you
in years, No, you haven't. Yeah, I mean we're talking
about when I was like a teenager, right, or like
in college, maybe my twenties, maybe early thirties. We're talking
far more recently, not in my forties, maybe not, maybe
(17:56):
a couple of ones in your forties, and maybe you
haven't hung up. Maybe this time you now, at this time,
you say, Okay, well I'm busy. I have a bunch
of things to do. Click and then I call back.
No answer, no answer, no answer for well, I'll stop
doing that. But I don't do that anymore, but I will,
(18:17):
I'll be more cognizant of that, because I don't want
to certainly resemble your mother. That would be unfortunate, would
be very unfortunate. But she was a good cook. She
was the best cook. And by the way, so were you.
So are you. You're a great cook. You don't do
it so often, Ricardo does say, but you're a very
good cook. When you do cook, you're a great cook. Yes,
(18:38):
thank you very much. You need to discuss that part
of it. Although I do love to cook, but I
love being in your house and being at your house
for dinner, and I love when you guys come to
dinner so cozy and so good. I think it's important,
(19:03):
like the you know, in every relationship, you have to
give each other grace. And I feel like I didn't
give you grace because you were my mom, and so
I just figured that you should. You're agreeing, Yeah, I
think it's really hard for a kid to give a
parent grace. It's like a no. And by the way,
you know, in the best of worlds, a kid shouldn't
(19:26):
have to give a parent. Well that's not true. I mean,
we're parents are still human beings. Yes, they're human beings,
but it's a you. You you have to suck up
a lot of stuff when you're a parent, and you know,
go into your room and scream. Yeah. Fortunately I screamed
in front of you, but everybody does. Last night, I
(19:50):
lost my mind at GUS in a way that I
can't explain. At bedtime, like after an hour of being
so calm and so and then in two seconds, the
whole thing just gets completely fucked because you've just like
ruined it. Even if you've been well, they might like
I totally have been trying not to. You can say
fuck God, but I literally, like, thank fucking forty minutes
(20:11):
of like being amazing and then two minutes of losing
your shit, and only the two minutes of losing your
mind is what is just imprints? Yeah kind of, but
that's not really always true. And someday the funniest thing
is you will be able to laugh about it with him. Yeah,
if you live through it, that's it's really hard. Yeah,
(20:33):
that's the trick I was. I posted some video of
Gus and Aaron Baclar said, it's really shocking that you've
met your match in a human being and it's your child,
and I realized that's true, like he's and I think
maybe that was me for you. You. I if people
ask me about things like when did Zoey first talk
(20:59):
in the delivery as as we as she was coming out,
she was bothered by what I had eaten the night before.
I mean, you have, You've been talking your whole life.
But what you do is you. The negotiation part was insane.
(21:24):
And then when you were singing, you wanted to go
to music class, but except you wanted to be Madonna
at the time, but you didn't want to go through
the classes. I just wanted to wear leopard skin and
be on television. Yeah, that was I couldn't understand why
(21:44):
a star that's just a person's But I'm telling you,
you are the most fun. And you make me laugh
so hard that I I have to bring along diapers
and we do how we do are funny, we do.
(22:05):
We have a really good time together and we laugh
a lot. And I am so excited that we have
like all this fun stuff coming up, like going to
go pick up Ace at camp, Ace angels at camp together.
And we're gonna go away for Christmas. Oh right, yeah,
I can't wait. I'm going. Actually I leave on Monday
to go to the same hotel yea five days with
(22:29):
the kids. And I just realized it's the first trip
I think where it's just the five of us, Me
and Rob and the boys. Usually we go with you guys,
or with Rob's family or with friends, and it's really
just the five of us. And I'm really excited. I wonder, Yeah,
I'm excited. So interesting. So you're really on your own. Yeah,
so we'll see what is like. Yeah, that'll be don't
(22:50):
order extra drinks Robin with the kids. Yeah, Rob's gonna
have a talk with the kids about like ordering smoothies.
But then I realized we should have this talk when
we go with you guys and with the with my
in laws too. We shouldn't have No, we shouldn't just
have the conversation ding dung, ding dung, but don't it
hits extra hard, very so I think I think we'll
(23:11):
have that moment. Well, Mom, I'm really really really really
really happy that you're back, and I'm happy that I'm back.
And again, if it hadn't been for you and your
perseverance and your temper and your stick touitiveness, that would
have been a prop I know you had been sitting
(23:34):
here with the twenty one year old stepmother, that would
have been sad. I would have poisoned her. So don't worry.
Good Okay, so then we have no problem. I love you,
I love you so much. Thank you so much for
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