November 13, 2024 • 39 mins
Having good girlfriends who support you is essential in any woman’s life, and Zoe’s just happens to be one of the biggest stars with the biggest heart on the planet.
Kim Kardashian joins her BFF to give an inside look to their “lifer” long friend group while giving her tips on parenting and how she keeps up with her kids’ social media.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.
We are back for our third episode of What in
the Winkler. My mom is not able to be with
us today, so I am filming from my room, which
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is a lot less chic, but it will do. And
I have a really exciting guest today, our first real guest.
I mean the first was my dad, but that's not
really you know, he had to But one of my
best friends is joining us today. And before she joins us,
I wanted to tell you guys a little bit about
this group of friends that I have had since I
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was a little girl.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And we call each other the Lifers.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I wear a necklace that says Lifers on it and
all of our signatures are on the back. To me,
the Lifers are my lifeline. We talk all day long.
There's a group chat that is constantly I actually demute it.
I just like returned to it. And there's like thirty
text messages. And we have known each other our entire lives.
We're forty four years old. All of us were all
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the same year in school. We're you know, we all
have been there for the biggest moments, the most exciting moments,
the saddest moments. We've been there for funerals and weddings
and babies and losing parents and heartbreak and huge life
changes and incredible jobs and different hairstyles. We've been there
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for it all. It's a group of eight of us total.
And then there is my friend who's joining us today.
You guys know her as Kim Kardashian. I don't know
how else to describe her except.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
For that we met when we were babies.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We have experienced so much life together before she became
the most famous person in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I remember the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Where we all saw kind of we were all together
for Allison's bachelorette, and this was just as the Kardashians
was beginning, and she went from being just one of
our lifers to sort of being everyone's lifer. And I
remember leaving Vegas. We went to a club and we
had to be escorted out through the kitchen, which was
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very bizarre, and all of us were so confused, and
we were there for people coming up to ask him
for her autograph, and we were all just.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like, what's happening. And now cut.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
To she's the most famous person in the world and
known to us as our lifer, and we love her
so much and I'm so grateful that she's doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So let's let her in.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Hi, So my mom is sick. She wasn't able to
join us, but so my best friend.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm taking her, taking your place. I don't know if
you guys know who this is? Do you know who
this is? Hi?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Guys, it's Kim.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I can't, I can't. Should we talk about how we met?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah? I do even know how we did?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well? First, we have known each other since we were
babies because of your dad. No, no, your dad and
Howard and Margaret duh d. And then I started Buckley
after you'd already left.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Okay, oh and and then okay, guys, so we have
we have to explain this. So my dad was an attorney,
Howard white'esman, the super well known attorney. Uh is Zoe's
not step dad, but like.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
My dad, my brother's dad, my older brother's dad.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
My mom and Howard were married for like five years total,
and then they got divorced, but they stayed really, really
really close and he married.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
He married Margaret. Yeah, and my dad used to date Margaret.
So they're both Armenian so Howard and my dad both
worked on the OJ case together, Howard at the beginning
and then my dad after Howard. So yeah, we have
known each other for a very very long time and
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we are a part of the famous Lifers crew.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I know, people always hear me talk about my Lifers
and how I feel like I'm super grounded because of
you guys.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And what's the best thing about the Lifers actually is
that Kim is the most grounded out of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So good or not?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Really? You think?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah? I do? I do. I think that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think it's so amazing. I mean, it happens to
be that you happen to be like the most famous
person in the world, but to us and to like
our friend group, it's so different. And I think it's
also because a lot people, not even just us or
or or anybody, to get to have friends that have
known you since you were a little girl and then
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or a little boy or whatever, to like have that
followed through your whole life and see all the different
parts of you, like and all the different versions of
you is so incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And how in all the different relationships that on I
got skik trips just to think like all of our
couples trips, like everyone's really consistent.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And do you remember when you and Simone and Allison
told me that my boyfriend was cheating on me, and
you guys like thought that you saw him in a
movie Nick and I didn't believe you guys, and I
stayed with him and then saw a picture of another
girl servicing him, and then I was like, oh my god,
you guys are right. Like the things that we all like,
the stories, the things. It is so wild, yeah, to
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think about.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
How like like our families are each other's families. Like
when I think about you know, just like all of
our friends. I mean, I think about the nights when
I was dating TJ in high school and we broke
up for a period, I was like, we'd break up
and then I'd like linger, so like there was a
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point when I was lingering and we had broken up
and we went out to a party or something and
we came home and I hated parties. I hated going out.
But we went back to your house and your dad
was he knew that I had broken up with TJ
and was waiting there with tea and cookies, where your
mom was but he's like, talk to the girls, tell
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me how was the party, what's going on? Would give
us the best advice, the best. I just remember literally
him knowing that I was, you know, who knows, maybe sad,
and we had tea and cookies waiting for us at
like midnight.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He would just like he loved hanging after when we
would get home and hearing everything. And I remember when
we went to Sam's wedding. It was like our first
friend to really get.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Married, and in Hawaiian. It was in Hawaii. We were young.
I mean we were twenty three.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And four of us shared a room because like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Me, Courtney and then the other that girl that was friends.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
With her, so it was touper bed.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It was like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You and I slept together in Courtney and looks Courtney
and the random girl swap together. And then before we left,
my ex boyfriend was going to be there. He was
such a horrible person, and my mom called you and
Courtney and was like, do not let her do anything
stupid at this wedding. And I'll never forget he like
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hooked up with the girl that was staying in our room. Remember,
why don't I remember I was so upset, I was
so upset.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, it tracks a lot that you would just be upset.
So I don't know, I don't know the detail. I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would say I'm way more emotional than you would
you would you agree.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yes, But I think that it's okay, Like I'm always there.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You are You're very, very very even, like you just
you you never sort of like get hysterical, which is
the best quality like that like disassociated, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You are a little bit of even and you are
so like and if there's a problem, instead of going
to like a ten, you just are like we're going
to figure this out. We're gonna we we we we
can do this, which I think is such an amazing quality.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think, Yeah, that's on what I've learned this past
year is my therapist. I can't believe I'm saying this
my therapist said because that was so not me. But
my therapist was just like, you are the problem solver,
so like you figure it out, and like that's what.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I love to do, is like you do it for everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously if it's our friends
and things have of course, I think it also takes
me outside, like there's always always something going on, there's
always chaos like in the home, so I just always
have to be calm. Like today, my cousin from Newport
is like, there's a fire in near Pepperdine. Can my
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you know, my cousin come and stay here. And then
there's a fire in near Natalie's house and she's like,
can I pack up and bring like my dog, my
husband and my two kids. And I'm like, sure, I
don't know where we're all going to sleep, but absolutely
we can figure this out. Everyone like, just come here
and we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I said to you the other day, I wish that
on our group chat, our lifeers group chat, I said,
I wish we just all lived on a compound and
you were like, everyone, come.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Here, I get in bed.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
That would be the dream.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That would be the dream because I realized, like, as
you get older and family is so important to both
of us, but your friends really become this extra added
thing in your life that just makes everything feel like
life is so crazy that you can do it, that
you have the support. And as our parents like start
to get older and stuff, you lost your dad obviously,
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on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The first one out of like all of our friends
that has lost a parent to where Yeah, but our
group chat is also like.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A doctor's it's like a concierge change it is.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's like doctor, best botox, best internist. Where do I
get this facials?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Our kids? You know, allergic reactions. We're like pediatricians, we
are dermatologists.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I sent you a picture this week of Gus's leg
after he got a he got a vaccine, and I
was like, should.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
What did it?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Have your kids?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
By the way, that it's.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Normal, he just gets those, But you were like, call
your doctor, and I thought maybe you forgot who you
were talking to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'd called the doctor's seventeen times.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I was like, I hope it's not going on this one.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I think you and I talk a lot about parenting,
which I think is like, yeah, you have four.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Children who have our group of friends, and then I
think each one of us kind of like has a
strong point or like we all have these like sub relationships.
Also that I think you and I have mostly connected
on parenting and judgment and you know, feeling like sometimes
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you're in this alone, even though we have great support systems,
and we have people around us, but sometimes in the
middle of the night, when they're all sleeping in your
bed kicking you and crying and waking up like it is.
You know, It's not something that I talk about a
lot because I feel like there is always a lot
of judgment or people always will jump to the oh,
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but you have the resources to have nanny's and to
have help, and I just think that, you know, no
matter what kind of help I have, basically raising four
kids by myself.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Here is you know, insane.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean even carpool this morning, I had three
four or five. I had five kids that I had
to take. Two came over, and everyone leaves it wants
to leave it like different times or wants different stuff.
And I'm like, I feel like I'm at like a
pit stop of a race car driver when it's like
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rush your teeth, rush your teeth, rush your teethrush your teeth. Okay,
get dressed, get dressed, to do your hair.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But also, you take your kids to school every day
when you're here, you take your kids to school every day.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's what's really important to me. So taking them to
school and driving them to school every single day is
just what I have to do, no matter what works schedule.
It's really important to me. That's just like my bonding time.
That's when I can get them up, get ready. Take
But it's madness, it's.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But I had a good example, like your mom was
the best, best, best. I remember coming to your house
and she would make that seven layer dip that I'm
so obsessed with.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, and she had she actually has a cookbook.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, my mom is such a good cook. I'm not
you are.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I remember that time.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I remember that time.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
When you made that fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I know how to make a soul food meal, that is,
I know how to make fried chicken like a sweet
potato dish, mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I remember when you made it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
When you lived on was it Clark or Swall Clark Clark,
and you had those huge red velvet curtains in your
apartment and one room was just for a closet organizing, remember, yeah,
but all the stuff, and then you would cook these
like elaborate soul food dinners. It was right class from
kits In, yeah, and down the street from Ali Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
We'd walk to each other's houses and she needed help
going up in elevator if like the stairs.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, she's terrified of elevators.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I would walk over and would walk her up. And yeah,
I know I want.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
To do an episode with all the lifers.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I know that would be so yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Such a it's such an interesting thing, like everyone that
says how lucky we are, which we are, and I
think that we never take it for granted, like we
always always always still, like even in the moments, we
all just say, like I would say a couple times
a week, like on the chat, we're so lucky.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We really are. And I think that's like the beauty
of having like minded friends who really do appreciate like
the small things and the grand things and all of
just all of the things from each other and what
we all have to bring to the table. And we
just have so much like a deep love and respect.
But it's also like.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We're so different. Also, we're all so different.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, like we are, and every single day we're congratulating
each other. Sarah has the best caviar company in the
world called Row.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The best thing is is that she always brings it
whenever we get together.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, she does, she does. And the funniest thing I
think that we do that I'm so grateful for because
you know, I've been going through all of our videos
and stuff lately, is that we have our lifeirs dinners
and all of us get together and we bring all
of our kids, and you know, every holiday we all
get together and our kids do one big talent show
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and Violet usually always wins. But I saw this, you know,
of like North practicing and trying to do so good,
and it's really cute to see our kids like really
want to win this talent show. I don't even think
they win anything.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
To be there's so many kids between to we count.
I think it's like twenty something kids between us or more. Really, yeah,
we have so there's so many kids. You have four? Yeah,
I have three, seven, Alli has three, ten, Violet has three.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's fourteen, viileteen sixteen. I counted, Violet, Oh, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I thought that there were more. Sixteen is still a lot.
Do you remember what your first impression was of me?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, a bit judgie, like always have to be perfect
and always happy and like like I feel like you
were the girl that would be like are you looking
at me? Are you talking bit about me? Are you
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like like I have pink luebatons under my wedding dress,
like like always, you were like the princess.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You're like so much. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
The perfect little princess of the crew. You are Charlotte.
You are Charlotte to a.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Te that is, I'm Charlotte. Who are you?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I feel like you're a mix of like Carrie and Samantha.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You don't think, oh but no, no, no, I actually am
a mix of all of them. Maran you are.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You're a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yep, Carrie for just like the fashion and love. Samantha
maybe for like love, and I'm a bit of Charlotte too.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
My first impression of you was that you were well,
first of all, so like when we were growing up
there were these sisters named the Kardashians and they were
so pretty, like the most beautiful from from from from
then to now. But my first impression was that you
are so kind. You are so kind and you are
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still so You're kind to everybody, and it's such an
amazing thing because I can maybe not be some times
without even realizing it, but you are just kind to
every single person that you meet, and it's not like
it's just gene. It's like inside of you, that's just
who you are.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I think it's such an amazing thing. It's the truth.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
What do you think would be the best way to
describe my mom?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Very motherly? From the typical like what you would think,
I'd say, like in your business, but also like don't
bother me. Also, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What I mean, Like she's like the perfect mix.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, like the perfect mix of like, oh I've got this,
like the perfect house, the perfect seas she is like, uh,
she's like the home that she's made is like Nancy
Meyer's movie. You know what I mean, It's your home
is like something's got to give. You know, these lollipop
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can't that are always there. I don't care if it
was twenty years ago. They were there when we would
come home from parties. They are there now and we
go over to your parents' house. There, it's just like
she's just like tough but says exactly what she means
and feels, but so warm and like motherly.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
She is she is she was so sad to miss today.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh well, we'll do it. We'll do another one when
we do our group life versus one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Do you remember where we used to hang out. Where
where was the place where we get dropped off?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Do you remember city?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And now it's got the part where we used to
go to the vents at Century City.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Why is it gone?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's not there anymore. They built onto it. It's like
stores now.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I haven't been to Century City in so long.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We should go just for fun. The events are gone.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We used to go to the vents and we would
climb up and we would sit up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I wonder if like our kids would like it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And do you remember when we go to the Beverly
Center and there was Heaven?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, that was like the best. Or I think I
had a birthday party at Heaven?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You did? I feel like you also had a birthday
party at like Camp Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yes. Camp Beverly Hills was like everything.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And what about I was trying to think of, like
when we would get in trouble, Like when we would
you never really got into trouble.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, I did, you did not?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You got in You were always grounded.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Always you always, always always.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They would literally unplug the phone from the wall and
put it up. Yeah, you were never in trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I just was like, let me play by the rules
kind of girl.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You never drank. You never that just like wasn't your thing.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
No, I'm always was. My thing was like I felt
the judgment and it's okay, but like my thing was
just like showing up to a birthday party with like
like I had long hair and I just would wear
like a big fur coat and like walk into a
party and all my front, all you guys dress like
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like super casual, and I just don't and didn't think
it's still like that. It's still exactly like that. And
I just had like no shame and would pull up
to like a high school party and like a floor
length fur and like leather pants, like leather pants and
boots and took top like actually, how I dress now? Yeah,
and everyone would kind of like look at me, like.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Everyone was just jealous.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
What's going on? Quickly? But you always made me feel
very up, no, not embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh okay good.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You would be like, oh, I love your outfit. You'd
be laughing, but I'd be like, but you'd be like,
nobod I really do. I just know because I want it,
but like I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The other day, you were in sweats and you had
like the most incredible purse I'd ever seen, and it
was like all bedazzled and I loved it so much.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I love I love a blank.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Have we ever had an argument? I don't think we
ever have.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No. You know what's crazy is I barely fight with anyone,
Like I don't think I don't really fight it with
our friends. Like no, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You're just thinking we've never had an argument.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's crazy, But that lacks because I just I don't
really argue with people.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Not really my thing, but something I do, and I
ever argued with you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I think it's like it's just let's talk it out,
you know. Let's like there's nothing that can't be talked out.
And if we don't see eye to eye, like we
all respect each other so much that it would be like, Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
We have different views, yeah, I mean we've had different
views on things, but it's never it's always so respectful,
you know. Yeah, I can't even think about what we've
had different views on. But like sometimes you know what
sometimes you've said to me, like the way I'm parenting maybe,
or you're like you got to be stricter about this
or something, and I'm so grief.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You're said and done. Like I was about this with
someone else today about like giving yourself grace, like if
your kid says a bad word or like if something
and you could be mortified. You know. It's like I
get mortified when like like Saint took my phone today
and posted, like I saw into mind kid, and my
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publicist is writing me like, this is what you're posting
on election Day? And I was like, it's a kid.
He has no idea. He like we posted a video
of something about the election, and I took his account
down just because he has to ask me before every post,
and so he's just started a fortnight account, and I'm like,
(23:45):
you got to give yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, I mean it's like everyone just has to relax.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I feel like we've just gotten to the point where
everyone's like so tightly wound and our kids are going
to make a million mistakes.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And I think sometimes you feel like your kid is
a reflection of you.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, can you realize that, like they're their own people
who you know are going to have to make mistakes
and have to grow. It's really hard for me to
let my kids make mistakes. And really, yeah, it's I
want to fix it and I want to make it,
you know, all better all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And I think you are the type that if they
made a mistake, you're just like I'm so sorry, I'm
so sorry, I'm so sorry, you know, like you will
tripah both times apologize for y. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Sometimes I like when kids work it out themselves and
they figure it out themselves. Sometimes we have to intervene,
like that situation where I had to intervene for you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
With Oh God, this person was like being a parent,
was like, really I misunderstood something that I had said
to them, and like believed something about me that wasn't true,
and it was really hard for me, and I was
obsessing over it. And finally Kim just ran into this
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person at a party and handled it for me. And
the person's been so nice to me ever since.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
We'll call her on FaceTime face Life's Chat. I'm like
beef squashed.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Everybody in the life for Chat was like, Thank the Lord,
we can't hear about this for one more second. Yeah,
sometimes I just I make things into a bigger deal
a lot of the time.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, sometimes I don't make things a big enough deal
where because I like it takes a lot of work.
Like yesterday, you know, one of my kids was really
upset about something with their phone, and I was like,
you know what, then you just don't get it. And
it was tears the entire way to school, and I
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just usually I'd say, okay, fine, here have your phone.
Just stop crying. That energy even if I don't say that,
that energy. And I was just like, you know what,
if I don't put my foot down and I don't
do this now and fight through the tears, as uncomfortable
as that is, yeah, always going to get their way,
the lesson won't be learned. And I tucked through it.
(26:02):
And then today same thing. Did not cry respected the
fact that there was no phone.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Right, it was just like you were like they knew
where you stood and it was done.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, Or like, tell me if your parents do this,
because this is the one really frustrating thing that my
mom does. My mom is like the most judgmental when
it comes to snacks and candy. I mean then, yeah,
has every candy, ice cream. It's like a kid's heaven.
So she invites us over and then my son, you know,
(26:35):
went into a freezer last night to get it's her birthday.
So she has cake and she and he goes, I
don't want cake, I want an ice cream instead, and
she's like, look at him eating that ice cream and
I'm like, you have it, yeah, and you're judging me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I mean, you've seen my parents' house where there's just
literally glass stars of candy everywhere, you know, but my
mom doesn't. My mom just will do it. And even
if I say no, she'll just hand them the candy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then if I say like, I really, we're not
doing that right now, She'll look at me with like
sad eyes and I'm like this is wild, Like I
don't want them to have the candy, and she'll be like,
I didn't hear you, but she did.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah she did. I think they think it's like they're
in like I do unlike them more because of that,
and I think that mine's the opposite. My mom judges
me like I'm the worst because I allowed them to
have an ice cream that they had at her house.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Did she have a good birthday?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
She did have a good birthday. It was a chill birthday.
I got everyone pajamas with like Chris Jenner faces all
over them. I need a pair loped into the door.
I'll send you a pair. They're actually like probably the
most comfy pajamas, but when you walked into the door,
there was like a big basket of like these pajamas
and you had to take a pair and put them on.
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And she just wanted to stay home. My grandma's like
ninety and it's like hard for her to yuh, to
get around. So I just want to tea with my
grandma and love that and all the kids. So we
all came and saw her and hung out with her,
and it was so cute.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Someone asked me, what's the best gift that you've ever
gotten me?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Oh, what was your answer?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
My life's necklace.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, I feel like we this was this was I was, well,
didn't I show you what they were going to be? No,
I really want it. I'll show you the renderings because
maybe we'll do that, but I wanted, you know, like
it'll say like the names, like have you seen like
Lindsay's It says like yah, yeah yeah, and it's like
the names, but yeah, all diamonds with diamond chains, like
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all diamonds. I think Simone was helping me with it,
and she was like, I don't think everyone would like
all the diamonds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I would love diamonds all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I texted our group chat and I was like, if
this podcast does well, I will buy us all diamonds.
They will be small, but I will buy us all
all a diamond of some sort.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
That's all life first diamond necklace.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, Well, this is your one day off and you
did this for me, and I love you so much
and I'm so grateful.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Because I would do anything for you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I would do anything for you.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I know you would. That's like the best feeling in
the world, as I actually know you would.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I really would.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We'll hide in a bathroom and talk to you when
you're also hiding in a bathroom to get away from
your kids, and I'm it's true new advice and it's
true's from mind to talk to you until you are calm,
and I will do that any day of the week.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What would you say is like the best advice for
having a long lasting friendship like we all have.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You know, that's really a good question because I think
that you definitely need to have the mentality that like
if we didn't talk all the time, we still could
pick up right where we left off. That energy is there. However,
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we don't have that. We talk every single day. All
of us say something in the chat every day, whether
it's like a news story or old pictures that we
found or stories or you know, like the dermatologists advice
or something. There's always something in there. So I think
we all do a really good job at nurturing our friendships,
you know. And I think that that is important, that
(30:34):
like you can't let too much time go. It is
great to have those friendships where you could just pick
up and sometimes they are like that, but ours isn't.
And I think that, you know, sometimes if I get
really busy, like Alison wrote me the other day and
was like, you know, since we'd seen each other but
maybe a couple of weeks ago. She's like, do you
(30:55):
know that we haven't physically seen each other since Idaho?
And I was like, are you kidding me? It was
like August or something, and I was like, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, because life gets so busy.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, And that's why for my birthday I didn't even
want to do anything. And I was like, fine, let's
just do a life for a dinner, like it's no
big deal. And I did that because she could get
sensitive and I but her being sensitive is.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Just because she loves you totally.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But it like actually helps because it gets us to
all be together. And yeah, it's into perspective sometimes where
it's like, oh, wait, you do have to nurture. So
even though none of us have really had fights, it's
like there are those moments where it's like, hey, I
know you're really busy, but like you're never too busy
to come see us or hang with us for a second.
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And that is like the truest thing.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The grass is greener where you water it like that, Yeah,
and ships are greener where you have to water them.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Also, people like talk about how sometimes they feel like
competition in their friendships and in our group, like there's zero,
which is so weird because I think women sometimes that's
like the and like that's I don't know, that's the narrative.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And even if two of the girls are like into
you know, kind of similar like branding stuff, there's never competition.
It's always like everything is just to like build each
other up. I mean a lot of us, like you said,
like do different things and have different as.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Every day we're congratulating one like Oh my gosh, I
saw this. This was amazing. Oh my gosh, I saw
I saw that skims At. It was so good. I
saw Alison, I saw your give beauty, like whatever it is.
We're all like, you know, always so excited for one another,
and it's so it's so it's so real, you know,
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like we are all better because we have each other
in our lives, which is such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Phide and conquer where we're like, okay, this is going on.
You do this, you do this, you do this, you
do this. There is not a day where some thing
not important happened in my life where I don't come
home and there's a note or food, like if there's
something that's like you know, there'll always be food from
you guys, my favorite restaurant or will always send food
(33:14):
to another life. Or flowers. There's always flowers for every event,
for everything, And I think those little things are just
always such a good reminder of like we got you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I remember when I was having like a really hard
parenting moment and I got I came home and I
just I think I called you crying. It was so
it was just like a hard time, like it was
a hard season of parenting and there were flowers there
from you, and the card said You're an amazing mom,
And it's up on my wall because I just like
try to remind myself of that all the time. You know,
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like you can make mistakes. You can not always say
the right thing in life. You know you're gonna make
a million mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But it's crazy how we always thought our parents had
their shit together, I know, And like now that we're in.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The adults, we're the parents at the party, Like that
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I feel like we're still twenty two.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Everyone's winging it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, we all and as long as your intention, I mean,
our intentions are always to be the best and to
do the best, and we make mistakes and then we
repair it, you know. But I also think like if
one of us ever does hurt another one's feelings, like
it's never intentional, but we always take responsibility and say, like,
I'm so sorry, that was never my intention. You know.
(34:32):
Like I was thinking, was there anyone ever that like
tried to like infiltrate our group? But I don't think
that there was because we're so tight. I mean, we
always allow we always have other people Lala is like
a Sloe.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Chloe is an honorary lifer.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I think like Jen is like an honorary absolutely over
there's like a few that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think we'll sister, so Chloe and Jenmeyer.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, but I think we're also really really good at
We all for some reason feel the same exact way
everyone else and so well, it's like an unspoken thing.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Like it is, oh, you're nice, like we.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Know exactly and it's just a look, like we don't
have to say it. We can be in a room
with someone and if we feel I also think there's
like this thing about like the lifers where people know
how lucky we are. Like so many messages that I've
received lately is just like you're so lucky that you
have each other. You're lucky that you have you know.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
And we're lucky to have each other for like the
amazing times and also for the hard times. Like we're
just so lucky because it makes you feel less lonely.
And sometimes life, especially when you're the adult, can feel
like lonely at times because you feel like you're going
through something or whatever. We've all all of us have
been through things that really hard, and we've all been
there to just hould each other down. And I think
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that that's like the best thing that I could ask for,
totally cry.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The best, the best, Like I couldn't I say this
like every time I give a speech about like whether
it's my birthday, and like I actually and so we
we hit the jackpot. We hit We did jackpot of
friends in friend group. And it's really rare because some
people just you know, like we both have the same
(36:31):
family support, so we know what we would expect in
our friends and like to drama. And that's the thing
is like none of us bring the drama so busy
in our life that we're like we don't. We only
want the good energy. And then there's it's so funny.
I ran into Sam Polker the other day and she
was just like I knew you were having like an
(36:52):
off day or whatever when I saw you, because our
family bond is so strong that like I would just
know even if I hadn't seen you in so long.
And I was like, yeah, there are those like family
that we have the lifers have, Like we just have
this family bond that it's like some things that just
don't have to be said.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's just such an.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Unspoken support system. But we have the same level of
like what we expect from our family and what we've
gotten from our family, and even how you were talking
about Margaret and Howard, that's like extended family. Usually everyone
would not be so cool, but they are. And so
we expect that level of like support and love from
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our friends, from our family, from our extended family, like
from from everyone, and we won't settle for anything less.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
And we're fiercely protective of each other.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Fiercely.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Like there are times when I want to, like go
to your comment section and just start like.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I know you've sent me things, and I'm like, don't, don't,
it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I've had to erase.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, like it's not that serious, and you I know,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Like we're just so protective of each other, which is
such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You know. Yeah, I love them, I love you, love you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thanks for doing this worse.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I am emotional. That was really special for me. I'm
can't believe that we're doing this podcast. And the fact
that I got to have my best friend on even
though my mom couldn't join, and I did it by myself,
which was scary, but I did. It was a big
deal for me, and I feel like having amazing friendships
(38:34):
in your life is everything and I wouldn't be the
person I am without these friendships. We've go back thirty
plus years and I'm so grateful. I believe that friendships
kind of like shape who you are. Their relationships there
are just important as your husband and your kids, everything,
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and in order for me to be the person I am,
I rely on these friendships. So thank you for joining
me for this episode of What in the Winkler
You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.
We are back for our third episode of What in
the Winkler. My mom is not able to be with
us today, so I am filming from my room, which
(00:26):
is a lot less chic, but it will do. And
I have a really exciting guest today, our first real guest.
I mean the first was my dad, but that's not
really you know, he had to But one of my
best friends is joining us today. And before she joins us,
I wanted to tell you guys a little bit about
this group of friends that I have had since I
(00:48):
was a little girl.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And we call each other the Lifers.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I wear a necklace that says Lifers on it and
all of our signatures are on the back. To me,
the Lifers are my lifeline. We talk all day long.
There's a group chat that is constantly I actually demute it.
I just like returned to it. And there's like thirty
text messages. And we have known each other our entire lives.
We're forty four years old. All of us were all
(01:11):
the same year in school. We're you know, we all
have been there for the biggest moments, the most exciting moments,
the saddest moments. We've been there for funerals and weddings
and babies and losing parents and heartbreak and huge life
changes and incredible jobs and different hairstyles. We've been there
(01:33):
for it all. It's a group of eight of us total.
And then there is my friend who's joining us today.
You guys know her as Kim Kardashian. I don't know
how else to describe her except.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
For that we met when we were babies.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We have experienced so much life together before she became
the most famous person in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I remember the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Where we all saw kind of we were all together
for Allison's bachelorette, and this was just as the Kardashians
was beginning, and she went from being just one of
our lifers to sort of being everyone's lifer. And I
remember leaving Vegas. We went to a club and we
had to be escorted out through the kitchen, which was
(02:21):
very bizarre, and all of us were so confused, and
we were there for people coming up to ask him
for her autograph, and we were all just.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like, what's happening. And now cut.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
To she's the most famous person in the world and
known to us as our lifer, and we love her
so much and I'm so grateful that she's doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So let's let her in.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Hi, So my mom is sick. She wasn't able to
join us, but so my best friend.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I'm taking her, taking your place. I don't know if
you guys know who this is? Do you know who
this is? Hi?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Guys, it's Kim.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I can't, I can't. Should we talk about how we met?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah? I do even know how we did?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well? First, we have known each other since we were
babies because of your dad. No, no, your dad and
Howard and Margaret duh d. And then I started Buckley
after you'd already left.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Okay, oh and and then okay, guys, so we have
we have to explain this. So my dad was an attorney,
Howard white'esman, the super well known attorney. Uh is Zoe's
not step dad, but like.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
My dad, my brother's dad, my older brother's dad.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
My mom and Howard were married for like five years total,
and then they got divorced, but they stayed really, really
really close and he married.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
He married Margaret. Yeah, and my dad used to date Margaret.
So they're both Armenian so Howard and my dad both
worked on the OJ case together, Howard at the beginning
and then my dad after Howard. So yeah, we have
known each other for a very very long time and
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we are a part of the famous Lifers crew.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
That's right now.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I know, people always hear me talk about my Lifers
and how I feel like I'm super grounded because of
you guys.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And what's the best thing about the Lifers actually is
that Kim is the most grounded out of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So good or not?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Really? You think?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
So?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah? I do? I do. I think that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think it's so amazing. I mean, it happens to
be that you happen to be like the most famous
person in the world, but to us and to like
our friend group, it's so different. And I think it's
also because a lot people, not even just us or
or or anybody, to get to have friends that have
known you since you were a little girl and then
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or a little boy or whatever, to like have that
followed through your whole life and see all the different
parts of you, like and all the different versions of
you is so incredible.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And how in all the different relationships that on I
got skik trips just to think like all of our
couples trips, like everyone's really consistent.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And do you remember when you and Simone and Allison
told me that my boyfriend was cheating on me, and
you guys like thought that you saw him in a
movie Nick and I didn't believe you guys, and I
stayed with him and then saw a picture of another
girl servicing him, and then I was like, oh my god,
you guys are right. Like the things that we all like,
the stories, the things. It is so wild, yeah, to
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think about.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
How like like our families are each other's families. Like
when I think about you know, just like all of
our friends. I mean, I think about the nights when
I was dating TJ in high school and we broke
up for a period, I was like, we'd break up
and then I'd like linger, so like there was a
(06:16):
point when I was lingering and we had broken up
and we went out to a party or something and
we came home and I hated parties. I hated going out.
But we went back to your house and your dad
was he knew that I had broken up with TJ
and was waiting there with tea and cookies, where your
mom was but he's like, talk to the girls, tell
(06:37):
me how was the party, what's going on? Would give
us the best advice, the best. I just remember literally
him knowing that I was, you know, who knows, maybe sad,
and we had tea and cookies waiting for us at
like midnight.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So sweet.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He would just like he loved hanging after when we
would get home and hearing everything. And I remember when
we went to Sam's wedding. It was like our first
friend to really get.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Married, and in Hawaiian. It was in Hawaii. We were young.
I mean we were twenty three.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And four of us shared a room because like.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Me, Courtney and then the other that girl that was friends.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
With her, so it was touper bed.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It was like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You and I slept together in Courtney and looks Courtney
and the random girl swap together. And then before we left,
my ex boyfriend was going to be there. He was
such a horrible person, and my mom called you and
Courtney and was like, do not let her do anything
stupid at this wedding. And I'll never forget he like
(07:44):
hooked up with the girl that was staying in our room. Remember,
why don't I remember I was so upset, I was
so upset.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, it tracks a lot that you would just be upset.
So I don't know, I don't know the detail. I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I would say I'm way more emotional than you would
you would you agree.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yes, But I think that it's okay, Like I'm always there.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You are You're very, very very even, like you just
you you never sort of like get hysterical, which is
the best quality like that like disassociated, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You are a little bit of even and you are
so like and if there's a problem, instead of going
to like a ten, you just are like we're going
to figure this out. We're gonna we we we we
can do this, which I think is such an amazing quality.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think, Yeah, that's on what I've learned this past
year is my therapist. I can't believe I'm saying this
my therapist said because that was so not me. But
my therapist was just like, you are the problem solver,
so like you figure it out, and like that's what.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I love to do, is like you do it for everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously if it's our friends
and things have of course, I think it also takes
me outside, like there's always always something going on, there's
always chaos like in the home, so I just always
have to be calm. Like today, my cousin from Newport
is like, there's a fire in near Pepperdine. Can my
(09:21):
you know, my cousin come and stay here. And then
there's a fire in near Natalie's house and she's like,
can I pack up and bring like my dog, my
husband and my two kids. And I'm like, sure, I
don't know where we're all going to sleep, but absolutely
we can figure this out. Everyone like, just come here
and we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I said to you the other day, I wish that
on our group chat, our lifeers group chat, I said,
I wish we just all lived on a compound and
you were like, everyone, come.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Here, I get in bed.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
That would be the dream.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That would be the dream because I realized, like, as
you get older and family is so important to both
of us, but your friends really become this extra added
thing in your life that just makes everything feel like
life is so crazy that you can do it, that
you have the support. And as our parents like start
to get older and stuff, you lost your dad obviously,
(10:10):
on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The first one out of like all of our friends
that has lost a parent to where Yeah, but our
group chat is also like.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
A doctor's it's like a concierge change it is.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It is.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's like doctor, best botox, best internist. Where do I
get this facials?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Our kids? You know, allergic reactions. We're like pediatricians, we
are dermatologists.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I sent you a picture this week of Gus's leg
after he got a he got a vaccine, and I
was like, should.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
What did it?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Have your kids?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
By the way, that it's.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Normal, he just gets those, But you were like, call
your doctor, and I thought maybe you forgot who you
were talking to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For a moment.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'd called the doctor's seventeen times.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I was like, I hope it's not going on this one.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I think you and I talk a lot about parenting,
which I think is like, yeah, you have four.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Children who have our group of friends, and then I
think each one of us kind of like has a
strong point or like we all have these like sub relationships.
Also that I think you and I have mostly connected
on parenting and judgment and you know, feeling like sometimes
(11:33):
you're in this alone, even though we have great support systems,
and we have people around us, but sometimes in the
middle of the night, when they're all sleeping in your
bed kicking you and crying and waking up like it is.
You know, It's not something that I talk about a
lot because I feel like there is always a lot
of judgment or people always will jump to the oh,
(11:55):
but you have the resources to have nanny's and to
have help, and I just think that, you know, no
matter what kind of help I have, basically raising four
kids by myself.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Here is you know, insane.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean even carpool this morning, I had three
four or five. I had five kids that I had
to take. Two came over, and everyone leaves it wants
to leave it like different times or wants different stuff.
And I'm like, I feel like I'm at like a
pit stop of a race car driver when it's like
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rush your teeth, rush your teeth, rush your teethrush your teeth. Okay,
get dressed, get dressed, to do your hair.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But also, you take your kids to school every day
when you're here, you take your kids to school every day.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's what's really important to me. So taking them to
school and driving them to school every single day is
just what I have to do, no matter what works schedule.
It's really important to me. That's just like my bonding time.
That's when I can get them up, get ready. Take
But it's madness, it's.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But I had a good example, like your mom was
the best, best, best. I remember coming to your house
and she would make that seven layer dip that I'm
so obsessed with.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, and she had she actually has a cookbook.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, my mom is such a good cook. I'm not
you are.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I remember that time.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I remember that time.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
When you made that fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I know how to make a soul food meal, that is,
I know how to make fried chicken like a sweet
potato dish, mac and cheese.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I remember when you made it.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
When you lived on was it Clark or Swall Clark Clark,
and you had those huge red velvet curtains in your
apartment and one room was just for a closet organizing, remember, yeah,
but all the stuff, and then you would cook these
like elaborate soul food dinners. It was right class from
kits In, yeah, and down the street from Ali Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
We'd walk to each other's houses and she needed help
going up in elevator if like the stairs.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, she's terrified of elevators.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I would walk over and would walk her up. And yeah,
I know I want.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
To do an episode with all the lifers.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I know that would be so yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Such a it's such an interesting thing, like everyone that
says how lucky we are, which we are, and I
think that we never take it for granted, like we
always always always still, like even in the moments, we
all just say, like I would say a couple times
a week, like on the chat, we're so lucky.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We really are. And I think that's like the beauty
of having like minded friends who really do appreciate like
the small things and the grand things and all of
just all of the things from each other and what
we all have to bring to the table. And we
just have so much like a deep love and respect.
But it's also like.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We're so different. Also, we're all so different.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, like we are, and every single day we're congratulating
each other. Sarah has the best caviar company in the
world called Row.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
The best thing is is that she always brings it
whenever we get together.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, she does, she does. And the funniest thing I
think that we do that I'm so grateful for because
you know, I've been going through all of our videos
and stuff lately, is that we have our lifeirs dinners
and all of us get together and we bring all
of our kids, and you know, every holiday we all
get together and our kids do one big talent show
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and Violet usually always wins. But I saw this, you know,
of like North practicing and trying to do so good,
and it's really cute to see our kids like really
want to win this talent show. I don't even think
they win anything.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
To be there's so many kids between to we count.
I think it's like twenty something kids between us or more. Really, yeah,
we have so there's so many kids. You have four? Yeah,
I have three, seven, Alli has three, ten, Violet has three.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's fourteen, viileteen sixteen. I counted, Violet, Oh, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I thought that there were more. Sixteen is still a lot.
Do you remember what your first impression was of me?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, a bit judgie, like always have to be perfect
and always happy and like like I feel like you
were the girl that would be like are you looking
at me? Are you talking bit about me? Are you
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like like I have pink luebatons under my wedding dress,
like like always, you were like the princess.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You're like so much. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
The perfect little princess of the crew. You are Charlotte.
You are Charlotte to a.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Te that is, I'm Charlotte. Who are you?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I feel like you're a mix of like Carrie and Samantha.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You don't think, oh but no, no, no, I actually am
a mix of all of them. Maran you are.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You're a lawyer.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yep, Carrie for just like the fashion and love. Samantha
maybe for like love, and I'm a bit of Charlotte too.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
My first impression of you was that you were well,
first of all, so like when we were growing up
there were these sisters named the Kardashians and they were
so pretty, like the most beautiful from from from from
then to now. But my first impression was that you
are so kind. You are so kind and you are
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still so You're kind to everybody, and it's such an
amazing thing because I can maybe not be some times
without even realizing it, but you are just kind to
every single person that you meet, and it's not like
it's just gene. It's like inside of you, that's just
who you are.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I think it's such an amazing thing. It's the truth.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
What do you think would be the best way to
describe my mom?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Very motherly? From the typical like what you would think,
I'd say, like in your business, but also like don't
bother me. Also, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What I mean, Like she's like the perfect mix.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, like the perfect mix of like, oh I've got this,
like the perfect house, the perfect seas she is like, uh,
she's like the home that she's made is like Nancy
Meyer's movie. You know what I mean, It's your home
is like something's got to give. You know, these lollipop
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can't that are always there. I don't care if it
was twenty years ago. They were there when we would
come home from parties. They are there now and we
go over to your parents' house. There, it's just like
she's just like tough but says exactly what she means
and feels, but so warm and like motherly.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
She is she is she was so sad to miss today.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh well, we'll do it. We'll do another one when
we do our group life versus one.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Do you remember where we used to hang out. Where
where was the place where we get dropped off?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Do you remember city?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And now it's got the part where we used to
go to the vents at Century City.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Why is it gone?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's not there anymore. They built onto it. It's like
stores now.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I haven't been to Century City in so long.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We should go just for fun. The events are gone.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
We used to go to the vents and we would
climb up and we would sit up there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I wonder if like our kids would like it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And do you remember when we go to the Beverly
Center and there was Heaven?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yes, that was like the best. Or I think I
had a birthday party at Heaven?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You did? I feel like you also had a birthday
party at like Camp Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yes. Camp Beverly Hills was like everything.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
And what about I was trying to think of, like
when we would get in trouble, Like when we would
you never really got into trouble.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, I did, you did not?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You got in You were always grounded.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Always you always, always always.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
They would literally unplug the phone from the wall and
put it up. Yeah, you were never in trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I just was like, let me play by the rules
kind of girl.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
You never drank. You never that just like wasn't your thing.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
No, I'm always was. My thing was like I felt
the judgment and it's okay, but like my thing was
just like showing up to a birthday party with like
like I had long hair and I just would wear
like a big fur coat and like walk into a
party and all my front, all you guys dress like
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like super casual, and I just don't and didn't think
it's still like that. It's still exactly like that. And
I just had like no shame and would pull up
to like a high school party and like a floor
length fur and like leather pants, like leather pants and
boots and took top like actually, how I dress now? Yeah,
and everyone would kind of like look at me, like.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Everyone was just jealous.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
What's going on? Quickly? But you always made me feel
very up, no, not embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh okay good.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You would be like, oh, I love your outfit. You'd
be laughing, but I'd be like, but you'd be like,
nobod I really do. I just know because I want it,
but like I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
The other day, you were in sweats and you had
like the most incredible purse I'd ever seen, and it
was like all bedazzled and I loved it so much.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I love I love a blank.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Have we ever had an argument? I don't think we
ever have.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
No. You know what's crazy is I barely fight with anyone,
Like I don't think I don't really fight it with
our friends. Like no, I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You're just thinking we've never had an argument.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's crazy, But that lacks because I just I don't
really argue with people.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Not really my thing, but something I do, and I
ever argued with you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I think it's like it's just let's talk it out,
you know. Let's like there's nothing that can't be talked out.
And if we don't see eye to eye, like we
all respect each other so much that it would be like, Okay,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
We have different views, yeah, I mean we've had different
views on things, but it's never it's always so respectful,
you know. Yeah, I can't even think about what we've
had different views on. But like sometimes you know what
sometimes you've said to me, like the way I'm parenting maybe,
or you're like you got to be stricter about this
or something, and I'm so grief.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You're said and done. Like I was about this with
someone else today about like giving yourself grace, like if
your kid says a bad word or like if something
and you could be mortified. You know. It's like I
get mortified when like like Saint took my phone today
and posted, like I saw into mind kid, and my
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publicist is writing me like, this is what you're posting
on election Day? And I was like, it's a kid.
He has no idea. He like we posted a video
of something about the election, and I took his account
down just because he has to ask me before every post,
and so he's just started a fortnight account, and I'm like,
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you got to give yourself grace.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, I mean it's like everyone just has to relax.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I feel like we've just gotten to the point where
everyone's like so tightly wound and our kids are going
to make a million mistakes.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And I think sometimes you feel like your kid is
a reflection of you.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, can you realize that, like they're their own people
who you know are going to have to make mistakes
and have to grow. It's really hard for me to
let my kids make mistakes. And really, yeah, it's I
want to fix it and I want to make it,
you know, all better all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And I think you are the type that if they
made a mistake, you're just like I'm so sorry, I'm
so sorry, I'm so sorry, you know, like you will
tripah both times apologize for y. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Sometimes I like when kids work it out themselves and
they figure it out themselves. Sometimes we have to intervene,
like that situation where I had to intervene for you.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
With Oh God, this person was like being a parent,
was like, really I misunderstood something that I had said
to them, and like believed something about me that wasn't true,
and it was really hard for me, and I was
obsessing over it. And finally Kim just ran into this
(24:58):
person at a party and handled it for me. And
the person's been so nice to me ever since.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
We'll call her on FaceTime face Life's Chat. I'm like
beef squashed.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Everybody in the life for Chat was like, Thank the Lord,
we can't hear about this for one more second. Yeah,
sometimes I just I make things into a bigger deal
a lot of the time.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, sometimes I don't make things a big enough deal
where because I like it takes a lot of work.
Like yesterday, you know, one of my kids was really
upset about something with their phone, and I was like,
you know what, then you just don't get it. And
it was tears the entire way to school, and I
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just usually I'd say, okay, fine, here have your phone.
Just stop crying. That energy even if I don't say that,
that energy. And I was just like, you know what,
if I don't put my foot down and I don't
do this now and fight through the tears, as uncomfortable
as that is, yeah, always going to get their way,
the lesson won't be learned. And I tucked through it.
(26:02):
And then today same thing. Did not cry respected the
fact that there was no phone.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Right, it was just like you were like they knew
where you stood and it was done.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, Or like, tell me if your parents do this,
because this is the one really frustrating thing that my
mom does. My mom is like the most judgmental when
it comes to snacks and candy. I mean then, yeah,
has every candy, ice cream. It's like a kid's heaven.
So she invites us over and then my son, you know,
(26:35):
went into a freezer last night to get it's her birthday.
So she has cake and she and he goes, I
don't want cake, I want an ice cream instead, and
she's like, look at him eating that ice cream and
I'm like, you have it, yeah, and you're judging me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I mean, you've seen my parents' house where there's just
literally glass stars of candy everywhere, you know, but my
mom doesn't. My mom just will do it. And even
if I say no, she'll just hand them the candy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then if I say like, I really, we're not
doing that right now, She'll look at me with like
sad eyes and I'm like this is wild, Like I
don't want them to have the candy, and she'll be like,
I didn't hear you, but she did.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah she did. I think they think it's like they're
in like I do unlike them more because of that,
and I think that mine's the opposite. My mom judges
me like I'm the worst because I allowed them to
have an ice cream that they had at her house.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Did she have a good birthday?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
She did have a good birthday. It was a chill birthday.
I got everyone pajamas with like Chris Jenner faces all
over them. I need a pair loped into the door.
I'll send you a pair. They're actually like probably the
most comfy pajamas, but when you walked into the door,
there was like a big basket of like these pajamas
and you had to take a pair and put them on.
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And she just wanted to stay home. My grandma's like
ninety and it's like hard for her to yuh, to
get around. So I just want to tea with my
grandma and love that and all the kids. So we
all came and saw her and hung out with her,
and it was so cute.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Someone asked me, what's the best gift that you've ever
gotten me?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Oh, what was your answer?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
My life's necklace.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, I feel like we this was this was I was, well,
didn't I show you what they were going to be? No,
I really want it. I'll show you the renderings because
maybe we'll do that, but I wanted, you know, like
it'll say like the names, like have you seen like
Lindsay's It says like yah, yeah yeah, and it's like
the names, but yeah, all diamonds with diamond chains, like
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all diamonds. I think Simone was helping me with it,
and she was like, I don't think everyone would like
all the diamonds.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I would love diamonds all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I texted our group chat and I was like, if
this podcast does well, I will buy us all diamonds.
They will be small, but I will buy us all
all a diamond of some sort.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
That's all life first diamond necklace.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, Well, this is your one day off and you
did this for me, and I love you so much
and I'm so grateful.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Because I would do anything for you.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I would do anything for you.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I know you would. That's like the best feeling in
the world, as I actually know you would.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I really would.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
We'll hide in a bathroom and talk to you when
you're also hiding in a bathroom to get away from
your kids, and I'm it's true new advice and it's
true's from mind to talk to you until you are calm,
and I will do that any day of the week.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
What would you say is like the best advice for
having a long lasting friendship like we all have.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You know, that's really a good question because I think
that you definitely need to have the mentality that like
if we didn't talk all the time, we still could
pick up right where we left off. That energy is there. However,
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we don't have that. We talk every single day. All
of us say something in the chat every day, whether
it's like a news story or old pictures that we
found or stories or you know, like the dermatologists advice
or something. There's always something in there. So I think
we all do a really good job at nurturing our friendships,
you know. And I think that that is important, that
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like you can't let too much time go. It is
great to have those friendships where you could just pick
up and sometimes they are like that, but ours isn't.
And I think that, you know, sometimes if I get
really busy, like Alison wrote me the other day and
was like, you know, since we'd seen each other but
maybe a couple of weeks ago. She's like, do you
(30:55):
know that we haven't physically seen each other since Idaho?
And I was like, are you kidding me? It was
like August or something, and I was like, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, because life gets so busy.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, And that's why for my birthday I didn't even
want to do anything. And I was like, fine, let's
just do a life for a dinner, like it's no
big deal. And I did that because she could get
sensitive and I but her being sensitive is.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Just because she loves you totally.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
But it like actually helps because it gets us to
all be together. And yeah, it's into perspective sometimes where
it's like, oh, wait, you do have to nurture. So
even though none of us have really had fights, it's
like there are those moments where it's like, hey, I
know you're really busy, but like you're never too busy
to come see us or hang with us for a second.
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And that is like the truest thing.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The grass is greener where you water it like that, Yeah,
and ships are greener where you have to water them.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Also, people like talk about how sometimes they feel like
competition in their friendships and in our group, like there's zero,
which is so weird because I think women sometimes that's
like the and like that's I don't know, that's the narrative.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
And even if two of the girls are like into
you know, kind of similar like branding stuff, there's never competition.
It's always like everything is just to like build each
other up. I mean a lot of us, like you said,
like do different things and have different as.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Every day we're congratulating one like Oh my gosh, I
saw this. This was amazing. Oh my gosh, I saw
I saw that skims At. It was so good. I
saw Alison, I saw your give beauty, like whatever it is.
We're all like, you know, always so excited for one another,
and it's so it's so it's so real, you know,
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like we are all better because we have each other
in our lives, which is such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Phide and conquer where we're like, okay, this is going on.
You do this, you do this, you do this, you
do this. There is not a day where some thing
not important happened in my life where I don't come
home and there's a note or food, like if there's
something that's like you know, there'll always be food from
you guys, my favorite restaurant or will always send food
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to another life. Or flowers. There's always flowers for every event,
for everything, And I think those little things are just
always such a good reminder of like we got you.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
I remember when I was having like a really hard
parenting moment and I got I came home and I
just I think I called you crying. It was so
it was just like a hard time, like it was
a hard season of parenting and there were flowers there
from you, and the card said You're an amazing mom,
And it's up on my wall because I just like
try to remind myself of that all the time. You know,
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like you can make mistakes. You can not always say
the right thing in life. You know you're gonna make
a million mistakes.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But it's crazy how we always thought our parents had
their shit together, I know, And like now that we're in.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
The adults, we're the parents at the party, Like that
is crazy.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
That is crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I feel like we're still twenty two.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Everyone's winging it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, we all and as long as your intention, I mean,
our intentions are always to be the best and to
do the best, and we make mistakes and then we
repair it, you know. But I also think like if
one of us ever does hurt another one's feelings, like
it's never intentional, but we always take responsibility and say, like,
I'm so sorry, that was never my intention. You know.
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Like I was thinking, was there anyone ever that like
tried to like infiltrate our group? But I don't think
that there was because we're so tight. I mean, we
always allow we always have other people Lala is like
a Sloe.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Chloe is an honorary lifer.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I think like Jen is like an honorary absolutely over
there's like a few that.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think we'll sister, so Chloe and Jenmeyer.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah, but I think we're also really really good at
We all for some reason feel the same exact way
everyone else and so well, it's like an unspoken thing.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Like it is, oh, you're nice, like we.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Know exactly and it's just a look, like we don't
have to say it. We can be in a room
with someone and if we feel I also think there's
like this thing about like the lifers where people know
how lucky we are. Like so many messages that I've
received lately is just like you're so lucky that you
have each other. You're lucky that you have you know.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
And we're lucky to have each other for like the
amazing times and also for the hard times. Like we're
just so lucky because it makes you feel less lonely.
And sometimes life, especially when you're the adult, can feel
like lonely at times because you feel like you're going
through something or whatever. We've all all of us have
been through things that really hard, and we've all been
there to just hould each other down. And I think
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that that's like the best thing that I could ask for,
totally cry.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
The best, the best, Like I couldn't I say this
like every time I give a speech about like whether
it's my birthday, and like I actually and so we
we hit the jackpot. We hit We did jackpot of
friends in friend group. And it's really rare because some
people just you know, like we both have the same
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family support, so we know what we would expect in
our friends and like to drama. And that's the thing
is like none of us bring the drama so busy
in our life that we're like we don't. We only
want the good energy. And then there's it's so funny.
I ran into Sam Polker the other day and she
was just like I knew you were having like an
(36:52):
off day or whatever when I saw you, because our
family bond is so strong that like I would just
know even if I hadn't seen you in so long.
And I was like, yeah, there are those like family
that we have the lifers have, Like we just have
this family bond that it's like some things that just
don't have to be said.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's just such an.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Unspoken support system. But we have the same level of
like what we expect from our family and what we've
gotten from our family, and even how you were talking
about Margaret and Howard, that's like extended family. Usually everyone
would not be so cool, but they are. And so
we expect that level of like support and love from
(37:34):
our friends, from our family, from our extended family, like
from from everyone, and we won't settle for anything less.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
And we're fiercely protective of each other.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Fiercely.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Like there are times when I want to, like go
to your comment section and just start like.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I know you've sent me things, and I'm like, don't, don't,
it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I've had to erase.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, like it's not that serious, and you I know,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Like we're just so protective of each other, which is
such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You know. Yeah, I love them, I love you, love you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thanks for doing this worse.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I am emotional. That was really special for me. I'm
can't believe that we're doing this podcast. And the fact
that I got to have my best friend on even
though my mom couldn't join, and I did it by myself,
which was scary, but I did. It was a big
deal for me, and I feel like having amazing friendships
(38:34):
in your life is everything and I wouldn't be the
person I am without these friendships. We've go back thirty
plus years and I'm so grateful. I believe that friendships
kind of like shape who you are. Their relationships there
are just important as your husband and your kids, everything,
(38:55):
and in order for me to be the person I am,
I rely on these friendships. So thank you for joining
me for this episode of What in the Winkler
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