June 3, 2025 • 25 mins
Rachel Joy Baribeau, an award-winning storyteller, inspirational speaker, and transformative coach, bares the depths of her past in this candid interview on The God Pod.
Struggling with cocaine addiction and pursuing unfulfilling idols, she found herself at a crossroads. Yet, it was in the midst of her darkest days that God worked miraculously to save her. Rachel Joy's journey from the lows of addiction to becoming an acclaimed sportscaster and the first female SiriusXM ESPNU host is a testament to divine intervention. But it's what happened AFTER that where she gives God all the glory.
Rachel Joy did not hold back in Part 1 of this interview, as she shares all the "dark" and lonely places that caused her to keep coming back to God -- the one constant in her life amidst the ungodly amount of grief she faced.
If you've ever felt lost, fargone, or caught in the throes of addiction, listen in as she shares the pivotal awarenesses, realizations, and experiences that shaped who she is today in the midst of all the darkness.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
If you want to go on a journey. If you're skeptical,
don't worry.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm here to preach. I want to keep the clean
and talk to me and record where faith needs, stops
nature and get in touch with your creator with a bacon,
love and joke.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
She even speaks Hebrew. What's that? What's that? Well said?
Talking transformation? What's stop down?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So well?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hello and welcome back to What's God got to do
with It? I'm here with the amazing Rachel Joy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hello, Hi, how are you? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I'm so just grateful to be here. And we were
just chatting before we started recording and we I'm just
so excited for you all to hear her story, her testimony,
what's made her who she is? So this is part
one of our interview, but we're gonna go ahead and
dive on in.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So you know, first of all, for those who who've
never met you, just you know, share a little bit
really about who you are. But I know you've been
on podcasts, you've been speaking forever. That's always a question.
Tell us your story. But really what I want to
know is, like, what's made you who you are? You know,
maybe a few different experiences, realizations, awareness is things along
your journey that have made you who you are. Because
you are such an extraordinary woman, you are a stand
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for possibility for other people to step into. You have
made such an impact on so many other people's lives,
but it really started with your own journey. And we're
going to get into how you've impacted people on part two,
but really, you know, just share us who is Rachel
Joy and what's made you into.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Who you are?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I think we are all our little eight
year old selves walking around. That's all all of us are,
you know. And a psychologist gave me that tip a
while back, and it really helped me to see people
for who they are, especially grumpy.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Mean, you know, I tell people all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The prickly ones need love the most, and sometimes when
I'm prickly, it means I need to love the most.
And so inside of here, as a little eight year
old girl that is creative and joyful and loving with
the humongous heart, I can already feel I'm gonna cry
and tears of joy and my grandmother would call them.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And I'm somebody who's.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Endured more in my life than a lot of people
could ever fathom. And I've also been to the tip
top of the mountains in terms of accomplishing things for women,
for little girls, for big girls in the broadcasting world,
and doing all of those things. But it's really not
those things that define me. I think it's the loss.
I've been through addiction, I've been through abuse, I've lost
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both my parents.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I teach people this, you have two choices, better
or better, and that's really it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I remember after my mom passed away a cancer.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
There was a point in time I was speaking on
this the other day where other people's I would see
other people's moms beat cancer, and I was mad, I
was jealous, I was bitter, and I said, why why
did my mom beat it? You know, why did my
mom beat it? And I recognized, you know, God had
to talk with me. I had to talk with myself
in the mirror, and It's like, this is not you, Rachel.
You know, this is not who you are by your nature.
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This is not God's heart for you and God living
within you. And I worked on that and I got
on my knees and I got in my war weary
my prayer closet and talked to God about that, so
you know, for me, I am not. It's such a
great question to start off with, because I am not
defined by all the successes.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm really I teach people this all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You learn so much more about yourself face down in
the mud than you ever.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do from the mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That is where my character was built, defined, grown, And
that's so I figured out who I really am.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, well, take us in the mud if you don't mind, Like,
what was what's your mud story?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
When you think?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I know and I truly agree with that that we
learn so much more from our messes than we do
from all of the high peaks of our mountaintops, right,
so share with us because I know that's a big
part of it. And that bitter versus better I mean,
what a distinction that people need to hear, because I
think we can all fall into that kind of victim
to our circumstances kind of mentality, and it's sneaky, it's insidious.
(04:11):
We don't even realize we're in it. Yeah, you know,
and if we ask ourselves, like, no, I'm not a victim,
but we end up in it. So I mean, and
like you said, you I mean of all the things
that have happened to you, you could have easily fallen
into that trap. So show what was some of your
mud that made you into who you are today.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think the big mud that I've recently only started
talking about in the past couple of years is in
my twenties, I started out a partying and just having
fun and did some cocaine, and you know, it wasn't
a big deal. And then all of a sudden, you know,
before I knew it, I look up. It's eight and
a half years later, and I'm selling it to support
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my habit, and I am a budding sportscaster by day
and I am a drug addict by night. And wow,
And that's when I really knew I had been saved.
When I was in my teens and grown up in
a and my mom, the most beautiful thing that she
showed me was, hey, when you mess up, you run
towards God, not away from him. And that woman chased
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the hem of the garment like with a fervor that
scared hell. And that's in that way, I'm very much
like her. We're a lot alike in a lot of ways.
But that happened and in my iniquity. He never stopped
chasing me. There was one particular morning that I woke
up and you know, trying to go to work, been
up partying till four or five in the morning. And
(05:31):
I tell you, I know this, like I know the
sun's going to rise tomorrow. I saw a vision of
God of Jesus in the corner of the room, and
he had a look on his face like I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It wasn't I'm mad at you. It was that I
created created you for more than this.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And so that was happening, okay, And fast forward more
than several years, and I had a sports agent. Ten
years ago, i'd begun speaking in a halfway house, a
Christian halfway house in Birmingham, Alabama, called The Love Lady.
And it's phenomenon go twice a year. I mean, these
girls are dancing, they're off the chain. They're coming out
of prostitution, drugs, jail, abandonment, three levels.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It used to be a hospital.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
They are whoop, whoop, you know, like I mean, they're
on fire right and raw. It was like one of
the first years that I went and he told me
found out about it. He said, don't you ever talk
about that outside of that church, don't talk about it
on social media, don't do anything. He said, it will
hinder your your ability to get hired. Because at that
time I was a sportscaster and soon to be a
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national sportscaster. And what he did now that I did
not understand then, was he unknowingly attached shame to my story.
And I want to tell anybody who's listening to this podcast.
You listen to my podcast, and one of the things
I do every time is invite you into my story,
like where are you in this story? This is not
about you listening to my stories. And I'm sure you
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do the same thing, like where do you see yourself
in the story?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So for those that are.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Listening right now, hip pause and maybe even write it
down in a journal, but they where in your life
is somebody unknowingly attached shame to your story? And shake
it off, sister, Shake it off, brother, because that's not
your shame to carry, and that is not what God
intended for us.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And you know, one of the things that came to
mind is you were talking about how you were this
budding sportscaster by day and a drug addict by night.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was the kind of.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Cloak of imposter syndrome, and that's its own shame blanket
that weighs heavy on us. But then you have this
added layer of your going and trying to share and
help people relinquish themselves of their shame, and you had
another layer of shame placed upon you that created probably
a little bit of a conflict or not probably a
big conflict of like, wait a minute, I'm supposed to
share this message, but I feel like I'm being quieted
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almost like there's I should have shame about my shame.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So levels of shame. Yeah, so share a little bit
if you don't mind.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Just what was it like in the day to day
of feeling like you were kind of living a double
life and having to kind of skate around playing roles?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was It was exhausting. I was skinny, I was
a manipulative.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
What was it like in the day to day of
feeling like you were kind of living a double life
and having to kind of skate around playing roles?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It was exhausting. I was skinny, I was manipulative. I'm
alive because of the prayers of my mom and grandmother, which,
you know, people ask me, how do you deal with
such profound amounts of grief because I've had a lot
of loss, and I say, I'll see them again. That's
the simple answer. I'll see them again. Every day that
I live is one day closer to being reunited with
them in eternity. And they knew something was wrong with me.
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They couldn't figure out what, but they just kept praying
for me and praying for me and praying for me.
And so around twenty nine, I think I was around
twenty nine. It's insane, and it's in the book and
we'll talk about the book later. But God was setting
it all up. So God kept calling to me, calling
to me, calling to me in this iniquity. And around
the same time, my mom had started to go to
(08:59):
a new church and it was called King's Pasture. Well,
I was trying to do a new reel for sportscasting,
and so I needed some stories to do a reel on. Well,
the pastor's son had been diagnosed with cancer. It was
a glioblastoma at age fourteen. So I went to his
house and did a story with the pastor his wife
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and put this on my reel. Well, because of that,
the pastor invited me to church my mom had been
trying to get me to come back to church this
entire time, so that coupled with God speaking to me
each and every day and just having this pit of
my stomach of I'm tired of living double life. I'm
tired of running, I'm tired of lying, I'm tired of
all these things. I don't want to do this anymore.
(09:43):
And it led to a moment where I was at
a party and I did the drug for the last time,
and as soon as it went up my nose, I
began to weep and I heard God say, your body
is not your own anymore. And one of my friends,
I told him this story recently. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He had no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He ushered me into a bedroom, got everybody out of
there because there was a bunch of people partying at
this house. And I had my two labs with me,
and he he was like, you know, you stay here,
rest And so I slept. And the next morning was Sunday,
and I could not wait to get to that church,
and so I got up to get a shower and everybody,
it was me normally, everybody was still up partying. They
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hadn't slept yet. And I got a shower, and I
can't tell you I've never driven so fast somewhere. I
was up on two wheels trying to get to that church.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And I got that church. I laid my head on
the altar.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I said, thank you God for saving me. He
supernaturally delivered me from the desire for cocaine and I
never looked back. So it was not long after that
where I was asked to go into the love Lady
and start speaking.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And here I am.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I feel so good about sharing that God has saved me.
God has got me clean. And as you mentioned, I
have this agent now saying don't share that, don't share that,
don't shore so I never shared it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Fast forward to two years ago. A year ago, I went.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
To my husband and I said, because I was working,
I had met some people in a prison ministry and
I said, honey, I need to start talking about this
part of my story. And I said, but I'm married
to you now, and you are my king, my leader,
my everything. And I said I need your blessing and
he said you have my blessing, and I was like,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And you know, he could have attached his shame to me.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He didn't he could have, you know, he could have
been like, I really don't want my wife talking about that.
I'm in this industry and that industry. And it allowed
me to sit down with my kids and tell them.
I remember sitting down. She was fifteen fourteen at the time,
and I said, you know, to my my bonus daughter,
I said, I want to tell you what I was
and what you know, what happened and what God did
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for me. And she was like, you know, Rachel, my Rachel,
you know I love you and I never would have
known that, but I'm proud of you. So allowed her
to start having conversations with her friends about addiction and drugs.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
This it created such a clearing, yeah, for so much
you know, connection on the other side of it. So
it's interesting because obviously, you know, the cocaine was holding
some sort it was some sort of idol in your life.
It was filling some sort of void that would have
never been filled. But then, you know, chasing the dream
of sports casting, like you reached a really high mountain
on that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Side of it too.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Talk to us a little bit about your world of
you know, kind of chasing the mountaintops. What did you
learn from that what was it, what was it not?
And where was God's hand in all of that?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He had his hand on me. And that's what I
want to tell anybody again that's listening. That's like, feels
like God's far away. I heard somebody say this. It
was so good when you feel God's far away.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It's not him that's moved, it's you. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
He never abandoned me. He was always walking with me.
He was always leading guiding me. And I look back
at my career that it's like crazy and prophetic and
like all the steps and the and the other thing
is is that people think that success looks like this
beautiful path up the mountain.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, it's really like yeah, yeah, you know, if you
could see my hands right now right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It wasn't easy and there was a lot of setbacks,
but I was very fortunate having gone through the addiction
and those lows and being saved and being so grateful
to God. I was very grateful that I was grounded,
that the highs weren't too highs and the lows weren't
too low. So, you know, people talked about me on
message boards or social media. I hate her voice or
this you know, it was like I knew, just stay
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when the good days come, don't get too high, and
when the bad days come, don't get too low.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Just And then I began to coach.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Other young female sportscasters because I didn't have a female mentor,
and so I ended up coaching forty young women in
about seven years, and many of them are very successful
to this day. And you know, they're like little sisters
to me. So it was it was amazing. And then
just a few years before I retired, I became the
first female host on Serious XM on their collegiate channels.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You cannot you myself anybody else. We can't put our
identity or our faith inside of what we do.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I know.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Also, like how you were experiencing the sports world was
kind of an awakening too of how you know, women's
experiences were within It was a big catalyst for what
you're doing. Now, what did you discover there was obviously
some sort of disconnect and what like how did you
how did you handle that when it came about? Because
obviously you'd work so hard to climb this ladder and
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then you're there and it's like, wait a minute, I
feel out of alignment.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Because it takes a lot of courage to step away
from that and to speak up in that, and you
did all of those things, So can you share a
little bit about that experience.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I certainly wasn't the first woman. There's lots of trailblazers
and women before me. But I did do a lot
of things first, you know, like I said, it's serious,
and hosted the first ever college football playoff and you know,
vote for the Heisman. There's eight hundred and seventy people
in the world that vote for it. You know, very
few women, you know, those types of things. But then
there were still those moments where where you know, I
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was told you'll never get this because you're a woman.
You know, you'll never get that role because you're a woman.
And to still blatant sexism and you know, and discrimination
within the you know, within the sports world, it just
made me.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's a type of.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Person and I am like, I don't wither, you know,
like you tell me no, I'll find a way, you know.
And I always tell people I say no is not
a no unless it's in dating. And then that's a
hard note because we don't want to stalk anybody. I
was like, but no, it's oftentimes just an invitation to
step back, reframe, learn some more, go in another direction,
come out of a different way. Maybe it wasn't the
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proper timing, and so I just all that, maybe just
a not now, maybe it's a and I've had deals, things, relationships, opportunities,
come back a year later, come back two years later.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It just wasn't the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I again speaking to so many college age now
high school and now okay, I'm like, but in dating,
a no is.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A hard no.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah right, exactly, a hard no, yeah, cross, yes, we
want the whole case, Yes, I want the whole case.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah. So was there kind of like enough is enough
point for you where you had to speak up and
you couldn't and you didn't want to kind of stand
by any longer, or how did that appear for you?
Or was that a whisper from God?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Did you have a moment?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Was there kind of like enough is enough point for
you where you had to speak up and you couldn't
and you didn't want to kind of stand by any longer?
Or how did that appear for you? Or was that
a whisper from God, did you have a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
There was a situation and I talk about it now
where I myself. There's a boss at a large corporation
that was not treating me well, had made some inappropriate
had some inappropriate behavior, and then I found out that
he was doing it to other women. And I went
to three of my male mentors in the sports casting
business and this was before me too, and they said, Rachel,
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and they were crying when they told me this, but
they said, you can blow the whistle, but if you
blow the whistle, you'll probably never work in sports again.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And I made that decision.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And I was just talking to somebody about this that
I just saw her the other day and she worked
for this two and and we were talking about how
sad that was because.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We found out there are multiple women.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
The only thing I would have done differently is I
would have gone through with it even if I wasn't
going to work again, because the thing that makes me
the saddest is I don't know how much longer he
worked at that company and did it to other women.
And so I try not to live with regrets. I
try to live my life in that way. And then
when something does bother me. I pray about it. I
try not to stay there. But if I could have
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done one thing differently, it would have been hold that
person accountable so that he could not have done that again.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And we're always just doing the best
we can of what we've gotten. It's such a you know,
these impossible situations, and it's definitely informing the work that
you're doing now, which we're going to talk about in
part two. But I'd love to just kind of come
back to you know, obviously your upbringing and then getting
into drugs and you know, trying to handle that within
the career world. If for anybody who's listening, you know,
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and there they are struggling and they feel like, you know,
some sort whether it's drugs, whether it's.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Whether one, whether it's shopping right, you know, gambling.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, for sure, it's all filling this void that will
never be filled. I'm curious to know, like what would
you say to them, and like how did you fill
that void? Like obviously it's a god thing, right, but
like what was it if you were to put it
in your words, right, this void that you were looking for,
Like now you know that what you were looking for
then you were not finding in the thing, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But like, what is that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
If you could put words around that, and for people
that are searching for that too, and they're like, oh,
I'll never.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Feel that or find that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So I know now for me is that it's starting
when I was a child. So let me tell you something.
If you believe in the God of the universe, or
you believe there's something out there wherever you are on
your journey, right, if you believe there's a God of
the universe, there is another force that wants to kill you,
take you out and has a big army too, not
as powerful as God's army.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And God wins in the end. But there's a devil.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And I believe that the devil knew from a very
young age what was going to happen in my life.
And so I was born out of wedloine. I was
a surprise. And once I found that out at eleven
years old, they told me when I was younger. Once
I found out, refound out even though my parents told me,
I didn't really care.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I was going and watching.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Smurfs, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, you're not
my dad, okay, And I refound out at eleven, and
none of my friends, none of my family ever used
these words. But I started calling myself bastard and illegitimate.
And I never told anybody that I was calling myself that.
But I believe, again, as passionately and fiercely as I
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believe in anything, it was that the devil imprinted those
words on my little soul. And so I started to
believe I was unlovable and unwanted in a bastard and illegitimate.
And so I believe now that the drugs and the
partying and those things, I was trying to fill that
hole that I.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Say, We're the size of Texas.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
With things and people and all of those things, and
it was never going to fill the hole. And until
God came in to repair my heart. And look, the
other thing is is I want to tell people.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I try not to say I'm healed. You know, I'm no,
I'm healing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Always were always healing, because once you think you've like
figured it out and learned it all and all that,
I'm like, wow, yeah, absolutely, I don't say that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, And it's not for I can tell from you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's not coming from some high mountain.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
You're literally trying to just like share and impress upon
what you wish you knew, and that the power that
you have now from your experiences. And I love that
you mentioned that distinction because I think people do have
this interpretation of healing that it's a one and done.
You reach you know, some metaphorical you know, mountain and
then you're done, and then you're fixed and healed and
air quotes whatever you know, fill in the blank, right,
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And it's not. And we we are constantly in a
state of brokenness, that you know, and that's why we
need God, you know, to come and show us who
we are. And even when we think we have healed,
there's what are they saying?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
New level, new level, Right, there's more. He's going to
reveal another part.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Absolutely, and the lessons are there. So I'll give you
a perfect example, great example. So I coach as well.
On the side, I coach people joy coaching, and this
client says to me, I just love I had spoken
to their company and he said, I just we're doing
one on one coaching. I just love how in touch
with your emotions. You are such control of your emotions.
And I was like, wow, I put my hand over.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
My heart, thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I received that, and then the next day something like
bothered me and something you know, went wrong, and I
reacted and I recognized I did not have control of
my emotions. And that was God telling me, Rachel, there's
still more to work on. You've got you have, you
do have a mastery of your emotions, but there's still
lots of work to be done.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And I tell people this. For me, a king or
a queen is somebody who knows better, so they do better.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
They lead, they serve, they give, but there are also
no grass growing up underneath their feet. Meaning I'm seeking, learning, growing, pushing,
And the moment I get stagnant is the moment that
somebody's going to pass me by or say, you know,
you get my mom you say too big for your breeches,
you know, And I just I don't teach from that place.
I also teach from a place writing, coaching, speaking.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I teach from a place of imperfection.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I cannot lay my head on the pillow at night
and say, okay, I coach that person well when I
just had a fight with my husband or and so
I will because normally when I have a fight with
my husband or something happens, what happens is God gets
me in a moment and we have a moment of
self reflection and we go, how could we do that better?
What trigger did he hit? How did you act in
the ways that you didn't want to act? So what
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I do is I take that into everything that I do, speaking, coaching,
writing books, and people go, wow, you're really vulnerable, and
I said, yeah, I teach on this thing called radical vulnerability.
I said, but it also if I'm showing you where
I failed, it'll help you not be ashamed of your failures.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And I don't have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I've just got some stuff figured out that I think
I could help you with, you.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Know, absolutely absolutely. And I love that concept of radical
vulnerability because again, it's a way of giving people permission
to relinquish their shame and not fall into the trap
of trying to be, you know, a perfectionist and all
of those and it's a beautiful place to come from.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I love it.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I am so excited for us to continue this on
next week's episode, where we're going to talk about We've
we heard all about how God saved you, how he
revealed to you what needed to be healed.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Continually continually healing. But now he is just using you.
You have been an instrument to so many, first and
foremost you. You got to soak up the goodness that
he has and now you are absolutely paying it forward.
So we're going to get into that next week. In
the meantime, where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes, they can go to Rachel Barbo dot com. They
can go to I'm the Letter, I the Letter, am
Changing the Narrative dot org. They can go to any.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Of my socials.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm on LinkedIn and Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and
TikTok and all the things. And I love to connect
with people. I love to hear from people. I am
that person that reads their own messages, my own emails,
you know. I have a gay keeper to get to me,
and sometimes you have to email me a couple of times,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But I do love hearing from people.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
We will link all of that in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Thank you for being here.
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Hello and welcome back to What's God got to do
with It? I'm here with the amazing Rachel Joy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hello, Hi, how are you? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I'm so just grateful to be here. And we were
just chatting before we started recording and we I'm just
so excited for you all to hear her story, her testimony,
what's made her who she is? So this is part
one of our interview, but we're gonna go ahead and
dive on in.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So you know, first of all, for those who who've
never met you, just you know, share a little bit
really about who you are. But I know you've been
on podcasts, you've been speaking forever. That's always a question.
Tell us your story. But really what I want to
know is, like, what's made you who you are? You know,
maybe a few different experiences, realizations, awareness is things along
your journey that have made you who you are. Because
you are such an extraordinary woman, you are a stand
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for possibility for other people to step into. You have
made such an impact on so many other people's lives,
but it really started with your own journey. And we're
going to get into how you've impacted people on part two,
but really, you know, just share us who is Rachel
Joy and what's made you into.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Who you are?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You know, I think we are all our little eight
year old selves walking around. That's all all of us are,
you know. And a psychologist gave me that tip a
while back, and it really helped me to see people
for who they are, especially grumpy.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Mean, you know, I tell people all the time.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The prickly ones need love the most, and sometimes when
I'm prickly, it means I need to love the most.
And so inside of here, as a little eight year
old girl that is creative and joyful and loving with
the humongous heart, I can already feel I'm gonna cry
and tears of joy and my grandmother would call them.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And I'm somebody who's.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Endured more in my life than a lot of people
could ever fathom. And I've also been to the tip
top of the mountains in terms of accomplishing things for women,
for little girls, for big girls in the broadcasting world,
and doing all of those things. But it's really not
those things that define me. I think it's the loss.
I've been through addiction, I've been through abuse, I've lost
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both my parents.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I teach people this, you have two choices, better
or better, and that's really it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I remember after my mom passed away a cancer.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
There was a point in time I was speaking on
this the other day where other people's I would see
other people's moms beat cancer, and I was mad, I
was jealous, I was bitter, and I said, why why
did my mom beat it? You know, why did my
mom beat it? And I recognized, you know, God had
to talk with me. I had to talk with myself
in the mirror, and It's like, this is not you, Rachel.
You know, this is not who you are by your nature.
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This is not God's heart for you and God living
within you. And I worked on that and I got
on my knees and I got in my war weary
my prayer closet and talked to God about that, so
you know, for me, I am not. It's such a
great question to start off with, because I am not
defined by all the successes.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I'm really I teach people this all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You learn so much more about yourself face down in
the mud than you ever.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do from the mountaintop.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
That is where my character was built, defined, grown, And
that's so I figured out who I really am.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, well, take us in the mud if you don't mind, Like,
what was what's your mud story?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
When you think?
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I know and I truly agree with that that we
learn so much more from our messes than we do
from all of the high peaks of our mountaintops, right,
so share with us because I know that's a big
part of it. And that bitter versus better I mean,
what a distinction that people need to hear, because I
think we can all fall into that kind of victim
to our circumstances kind of mentality, and it's sneaky, it's insidious.
(04:11):
We don't even realize we're in it. Yeah, you know,
and if we ask ourselves, like, no, I'm not a victim,
but we end up in it. So I mean, and
like you said, you I mean of all the things
that have happened to you, you could have easily fallen
into that trap. So show what was some of your
mud that made you into who you are today.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think the big mud that I've recently only started
talking about in the past couple of years is in
my twenties, I started out a partying and just having
fun and did some cocaine, and you know, it wasn't
a big deal. And then all of a sudden, you know,
before I knew it, I look up. It's eight and
a half years later, and I'm selling it to support
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my habit, and I am a budding sportscaster by day
and I am a drug addict by night. And wow,
And that's when I really knew I had been saved.
When I was in my teens and grown up in
a and my mom, the most beautiful thing that she
showed me was, hey, when you mess up, you run
towards God, not away from him. And that woman chased
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the hem of the garment like with a fervor that
scared hell. And that's in that way, I'm very much
like her. We're a lot alike in a lot of ways.
But that happened and in my iniquity. He never stopped
chasing me. There was one particular morning that I woke
up and you know, trying to go to work, been
up partying till four or five in the morning. And
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I tell you, I know this, like I know the
sun's going to rise tomorrow. I saw a vision of
God of Jesus in the corner of the room, and
he had a look on his face like I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It wasn't I'm mad at you. It was that I
created created you for more than this.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
And so that was happening, okay, And fast forward more
than several years, and I had a sports agent. Ten
years ago, i'd begun speaking in a halfway house, a
Christian halfway house in Birmingham, Alabama, called The Love Lady.
And it's phenomenon go twice a year. I mean, these
girls are dancing, they're off the chain. They're coming out
of prostitution, drugs, jail, abandonment, three levels.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
It used to be a hospital.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
They are whoop, whoop, you know, like I mean, they're
on fire right and raw. It was like one of
the first years that I went and he told me
found out about it. He said, don't you ever talk
about that outside of that church, don't talk about it
on social media, don't do anything. He said, it will
hinder your your ability to get hired. Because at that
time I was a sportscaster and soon to be a
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national sportscaster. And what he did now that I did
not understand then, was he unknowingly attached shame to my story.
And I want to tell anybody who's listening to this podcast.
You listen to my podcast, and one of the things
I do every time is invite you into my story,
like where are you in this story? This is not
about you listening to my stories. And I'm sure you
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do the same thing, like where do you see yourself
in the story?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So for those that are.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Listening right now, hip pause and maybe even write it
down in a journal, but they where in your life
is somebody unknowingly attached shame to your story? And shake
it off, sister, Shake it off, brother, because that's not
your shame to carry, and that is not what God
intended for us.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And you know, one of the things that came to
mind is you were talking about how you were this
budding sportscaster by day and a drug addict by night.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was the kind of.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Cloak of imposter syndrome, and that's its own shame blanket
that weighs heavy on us. But then you have this
added layer of your going and trying to share and
help people relinquish themselves of their shame, and you had
another layer of shame placed upon you that created probably
a little bit of a conflict or not probably a
big conflict of like, wait a minute, I'm supposed to
share this message, but I feel like I'm being quieted
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almost like there's I should have shame about my shame.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So levels of shame. Yeah, so share a little bit
if you don't mind.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Just what was it like in the day to day
of feeling like you were kind of living a double
life and having to kind of skate around playing roles?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was It was exhausting. I was skinny, I was
a manipulative.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
What was it like in the day to day of
feeling like you were kind of living a double life
and having to kind of skate around playing roles?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It was exhausting. I was skinny, I was manipulative. I'm
alive because of the prayers of my mom and grandmother, which,
you know, people ask me, how do you deal with
such profound amounts of grief because I've had a lot
of loss, and I say, I'll see them again. That's
the simple answer. I'll see them again. Every day that
I live is one day closer to being reunited with
them in eternity. And they knew something was wrong with me.
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They couldn't figure out what, but they just kept praying
for me and praying for me and praying for me.
And so around twenty nine, I think I was around
twenty nine. It's insane, and it's in the book and
we'll talk about the book later. But God was setting
it all up. So God kept calling to me, calling
to me, calling to me in this iniquity. And around
the same time, my mom had started to go to
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a new church and it was called King's Pasture. Well,
I was trying to do a new reel for sportscasting,
and so I needed some stories to do a reel on. Well,
the pastor's son had been diagnosed with cancer. It was
a glioblastoma at age fourteen. So I went to his
house and did a story with the pastor his wife
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and put this on my reel. Well, because of that,
the pastor invited me to church my mom had been
trying to get me to come back to church this
entire time, so that coupled with God speaking to me
each and every day and just having this pit of
my stomach of I'm tired of living double life. I'm
tired of running, I'm tired of lying, I'm tired of
all these things. I don't want to do this anymore.
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And it led to a moment where I was at
a party and I did the drug for the last time,
and as soon as it went up my nose, I
began to weep and I heard God say, your body
is not your own anymore. And one of my friends,
I told him this story recently. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
He had no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
He ushered me into a bedroom, got everybody out of
there because there was a bunch of people partying at
this house. And I had my two labs with me,
and he he was like, you know, you stay here,
rest And so I slept. And the next morning was Sunday,
and I could not wait to get to that church,
and so I got up to get a shower and everybody,
it was me normally, everybody was still up partying. They
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hadn't slept yet. And I got a shower, and I
can't tell you I've never driven so fast somewhere. I
was up on two wheels trying to get to that church.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And I got that church. I laid my head on
the altar.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I said, thank you God for saving me. He
supernaturally delivered me from the desire for cocaine and I
never looked back. So it was not long after that
where I was asked to go into the love Lady
and start speaking.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And here I am.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I feel so good about sharing that God has saved me.
God has got me clean. And as you mentioned, I
have this agent now saying don't share that, don't share that,
don't shore so I never shared it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Fast forward to two years ago. A year ago, I went.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
To my husband and I said, because I was working,
I had met some people in a prison ministry and
I said, honey, I need to start talking about this
part of my story. And I said, but I'm married
to you now, and you are my king, my leader,
my everything. And I said I need your blessing and
he said you have my blessing, and I was like,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And you know, he could have attached his shame to me.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
He didn't he could have, you know, he could have
been like, I really don't want my wife talking about that.
I'm in this industry and that industry. And it allowed
me to sit down with my kids and tell them.
I remember sitting down. She was fifteen fourteen at the time,
and I said, you know, to my my bonus daughter,
I said, I want to tell you what I was
and what you know, what happened and what God did
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for me. And she was like, you know, Rachel, my Rachel,
you know I love you and I never would have
known that, but I'm proud of you. So allowed her
to start having conversations with her friends about addiction and drugs.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
This it created such a clearing, yeah, for so much
you know, connection on the other side of it. So
it's interesting because obviously, you know, the cocaine was holding
some sort it was some sort of idol in your life.
It was filling some sort of void that would have
never been filled. But then, you know, chasing the dream
of sports casting, like you reached a really high mountain
on that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Side of it too.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Talk to us a little bit about your world of
you know, kind of chasing the mountaintops. What did you
learn from that what was it, what was it not?
And where was God's hand in all of that?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He had his hand on me. And that's what I
want to tell anybody again that's listening. That's like, feels
like God's far away. I heard somebody say this. It
was so good when you feel God's far away.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It's not him that's moved, it's you. You know.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
He never abandoned me. He was always walking with me.
He was always leading guiding me. And I look back
at my career that it's like crazy and prophetic and
like all the steps and the and the other thing
is is that people think that success looks like this
beautiful path up the mountain.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, it's really like yeah, yeah, you know, if you
could see my hands right now right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It wasn't easy and there was a lot of setbacks,
but I was very fortunate having gone through the addiction
and those lows and being saved and being so grateful
to God. I was very grateful that I was grounded,
that the highs weren't too highs and the lows weren't
too low. So, you know, people talked about me on
message boards or social media. I hate her voice or
this you know, it was like I knew, just stay
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when the good days come, don't get too high, and
when the bad days come, don't get too low.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Just And then I began to coach.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Other young female sportscasters because I didn't have a female mentor,
and so I ended up coaching forty young women in
about seven years, and many of them are very successful
to this day. And you know, they're like little sisters
to me. So it was it was amazing. And then
just a few years before I retired, I became the
first female host on Serious XM on their collegiate channels.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You cannot you myself anybody else. We can't put our
identity or our faith inside of what we do.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I know.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Also, like how you were experiencing the sports world was
kind of an awakening too of how you know, women's
experiences were within It was a big catalyst for what
you're doing. Now, what did you discover there was obviously
some sort of disconnect and what like how did you
how did you handle that when it came about? Because
obviously you'd work so hard to climb this ladder and
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then you're there and it's like, wait a minute, I
feel out of alignment.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
What do you do with that?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Because it takes a lot of courage to step away
from that and to speak up in that, and you
did all of those things, So can you share a
little bit about that experience.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I certainly wasn't the first woman. There's lots of trailblazers
and women before me. But I did do a lot
of things first, you know, like I said, it's serious,
and hosted the first ever college football playoff and you know,
vote for the Heisman. There's eight hundred and seventy people
in the world that vote for it. You know, very
few women, you know, those types of things. But then
there were still those moments where where you know, I
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was told you'll never get this because you're a woman.
You know, you'll never get that role because you're a woman.
And to still blatant sexism and you know, and discrimination
within the you know, within the sports world, it just
made me.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's a type of.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Person and I am like, I don't wither, you know,
like you tell me no, I'll find a way, you know.
And I always tell people I say no is not
a no unless it's in dating. And then that's a
hard note because we don't want to stalk anybody. I
was like, but no, it's oftentimes just an invitation to
step back, reframe, learn some more, go in another direction,
come out of a different way. Maybe it wasn't the
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proper timing, and so I just all that, maybe just
a not now, maybe it's a and I've had deals, things, relationships, opportunities,
come back a year later, come back two years later.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It just wasn't the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I again speaking to so many college age now
high school and now okay, I'm like, but in dating,
a no is.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A hard no.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah right, exactly, a hard no, yeah, cross, yes, we
want the whole case, Yes, I want the whole case.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah. So was there kind of like enough is enough
point for you where you had to speak up and
you couldn't and you didn't want to kind of stand
by any longer, or how did that appear for you?
Or was that a whisper from God?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Did you have a moment?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Was there kind of like enough is enough point for
you where you had to speak up and you couldn't
and you didn't want to kind of stand by any longer?
Or how did that appear for you? Or was that
a whisper from God, did you have a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
There was a situation and I talk about it now
where I myself. There's a boss at a large corporation
that was not treating me well, had made some inappropriate
had some inappropriate behavior, and then I found out that
he was doing it to other women. And I went
to three of my male mentors in the sports casting
business and this was before me too, and they said, Rachel,
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and they were crying when they told me this, but
they said, you can blow the whistle, but if you
blow the whistle, you'll probably never work in sports again.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And I made that decision.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And I was just talking to somebody about this that
I just saw her the other day and she worked
for this two and and we were talking about how
sad that was because.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We found out there are multiple women.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
The only thing I would have done differently is I
would have gone through with it even if I wasn't
going to work again, because the thing that makes me
the saddest is I don't know how much longer he
worked at that company and did it to other women.
And so I try not to live with regrets. I
try to live my life in that way. And then
when something does bother me. I pray about it. I
try not to stay there. But if I could have
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done one thing differently, it would have been hold that
person accountable so that he could not have done that again.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And we're always just doing the best
we can of what we've gotten. It's such a you know,
these impossible situations, and it's definitely informing the work that
you're doing now, which we're going to talk about in
part two. But I'd love to just kind of come
back to you know, obviously your upbringing and then getting
into drugs and you know, trying to handle that within
the career world. If for anybody who's listening, you know,
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and there they are struggling and they feel like, you know,
some sort whether it's drugs, whether it's.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Whether one, whether it's shopping right, you know, gambling.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, for sure, it's all filling this void that will
never be filled. I'm curious to know, like what would
you say to them, and like how did you fill
that void? Like obviously it's a god thing, right, but
like what was it if you were to put it
in your words, right, this void that you were looking for,
Like now you know that what you were looking for
then you were not finding in the thing, right.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But like, what is that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
If you could put words around that, and for people
that are searching for that too, and they're like, oh,
I'll never.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Feel that or find that.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So I know now for me is that it's starting
when I was a child. So let me tell you something.
If you believe in the God of the universe, or
you believe there's something out there wherever you are on
your journey, right, if you believe there's a God of
the universe, there is another force that wants to kill you,
take you out and has a big army too, not
as powerful as God's army.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And God wins in the end. But there's a devil.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And I believe that the devil knew from a very
young age what was going to happen in my life.
And so I was born out of wedloine. I was
a surprise. And once I found that out at eleven
years old, they told me when I was younger. Once
I found out, refound out even though my parents told me,
I didn't really care.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I was going and watching.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Smurfs, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, you're not
my dad, okay, And I refound out at eleven, and
none of my friends, none of my family ever used
these words. But I started calling myself bastard and illegitimate.
And I never told anybody that I was calling myself that.
But I believe, again, as passionately and fiercely as I
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believe in anything, it was that the devil imprinted those
words on my little soul. And so I started to
believe I was unlovable and unwanted in a bastard and illegitimate.
And so I believe now that the drugs and the
partying and those things, I was trying to fill that
hole that I.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Say, We're the size of Texas.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
With things and people and all of those things, and
it was never going to fill the hole. And until
God came in to repair my heart. And look, the
other thing is is I want to tell people.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I try not to say I'm healed. You know, I'm no,
I'm healing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Always were always healing, because once you think you've like
figured it out and learned it all and all that,
I'm like, wow, yeah, absolutely, I don't say that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, And it's not for I can tell from you.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's not coming from some high mountain.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
You're literally trying to just like share and impress upon
what you wish you knew, and that the power that
you have now from your experiences. And I love that
you mentioned that distinction because I think people do have
this interpretation of healing that it's a one and done.
You reach you know, some metaphorical you know, mountain and
then you're done, and then you're fixed and healed and
air quotes whatever you know, fill in the blank, right,
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And it's not. And we we are constantly in a
state of brokenness, that you know, and that's why we
need God, you know, to come and show us who
we are. And even when we think we have healed,
there's what are they saying?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
New level, new level, Right, there's more. He's going to
reveal another part.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Absolutely, and the lessons are there. So I'll give you
a perfect example, great example. So I coach as well.
On the side, I coach people joy coaching, and this
client says to me, I just love I had spoken
to their company and he said, I just we're doing
one on one coaching. I just love how in touch
with your emotions. You are such control of your emotions.
And I was like, wow, I put my hand over.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
My heart, thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I received that, and then the next day something like
bothered me and something you know, went wrong, and I
reacted and I recognized I did not have control of
my emotions. And that was God telling me, Rachel, there's
still more to work on. You've got you have, you
do have a mastery of your emotions, but there's still
lots of work to be done.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And I tell people this. For me, a king or
a queen is somebody who knows better, so they do better.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
They lead, they serve, they give, but there are also
no grass growing up underneath their feet. Meaning I'm seeking, learning, growing, pushing,
And the moment I get stagnant is the moment that
somebody's going to pass me by or say, you know,
you get my mom you say too big for your breeches,
you know, And I just I don't teach from that place.
I also teach from a place writing, coaching, speaking.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I teach from a place of imperfection.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I cannot lay my head on the pillow at night
and say, okay, I coach that person well when I
just had a fight with my husband or and so
I will because normally when I have a fight with
my husband or something happens, what happens is God gets
me in a moment and we have a moment of
self reflection and we go, how could we do that better?
What trigger did he hit? How did you act in
the ways that you didn't want to act? So what
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I do is I take that into everything that I do, speaking, coaching,
writing books, and people go, wow, you're really vulnerable, and
I said, yeah, I teach on this thing called radical vulnerability.
I said, but it also if I'm showing you where
I failed, it'll help you not be ashamed of your failures.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And I don't have it all figured out.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I've just got some stuff figured out that I think
I could help you with, you.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Know, absolutely absolutely. And I love that concept of radical
vulnerability because again, it's a way of giving people permission
to relinquish their shame and not fall into the trap
of trying to be, you know, a perfectionist and all
of those and it's a beautiful place to come from.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I love it.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I am so excited for us to continue this on
next week's episode, where we're going to talk about We've
we heard all about how God saved you, how he
revealed to you what needed to be healed.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Dot dot dot.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Continually continually healing. But now he is just using you.
You have been an instrument to so many, first and
foremost you. You got to soak up the goodness that
he has and now you are absolutely paying it forward.
So we're going to get into that next week. In
the meantime, where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes, they can go to Rachel Barbo dot com. They
can go to I'm the Letter, I the Letter, am
Changing the Narrative dot org. They can go to any.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Of my socials.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm on LinkedIn and Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and
TikTok and all the things. And I love to connect
with people. I love to hear from people. I am
that person that reads their own messages, my own emails,
you know. I have a gay keeper to get to me,
and sometimes you have to email me a couple of times,
you know.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But I do love hearing from people.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
We will link all of that in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
We will be back for more What's God got to
do with the next time. Bye, We'll be back with
more What's God got to do with It? But in
the meantime, I would definitely love to hear from you,
So just tell me where you are in your story
or maybe what questions you have, like where do you
feel you need clarity or support or wisdom in your
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Speaker 4 (25:07):
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