October 29, 2024 • 30 mins
In this episode of What’s God Got To Do With It?, Leanne is joined by best-selling author and slow-living advocate Stephanie O’Dea for an inspiring conversation about faith, authenticity, and cultivating a life of purpose in a hustle-driven world. Stephanie shares a deeply personal story about how being told she was “going to hell” for her inclusive beliefs left her hesitant to express her faith publicly. This encounter not only shaped her approach to spirituality but also inspired her to embrace a more intentional, authentic way of living.
Leanne and Stephanie dive into what it means to practice slow living—finding fulfillment and connection by stepping away from the pressure to hustle and embracing a more thoughtful, faith-centered approach to everyday life. They discuss how to create space for meaningful spiritual exploration without labels or rigid expectations, and how to build a relationship with God that reflects your own unique journey. If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the pace of life or uncertain about how to express your faith authentically, this episode will encourage you to slow down, listen, and find your own way. Tune in to hear how you can cultivate a life of purpose, grace, and connection—even in a world that’s constantly telling you to do more and be more.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
If you want to go on a journey.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
If you're skeptical, don't worry. I'm here to preach.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I want to keep it clean and talk to me
and recause where faith meets all nature. Get in touch
with your creator with a bacon, love and June. She
even speaks Hebrew.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Dona? What's that? As well said talking transformation?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
What's done?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Gonzato?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, Hello, we are back here on what's God got
to do with it? And I'm here with my friend
Stephanie Oday and such a beautiful heart soul, and you
are going to find out a lot about her journey. So,
first of all, Hello Stephanie, thank you so much for
being here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hello, Hello, I am thrilled, absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, Sephanie and I met at an event a few
months ago and became fast friends. For all of the things,
there's a personal crossover, and now we're here to talk
about the spiritual side of things. But she has such
a transformational story both with you know, who she chose
to be as a woman, as a wife, as a mom,
but then also her career that you know kind of
she accidentally stumbled upon into and then you know, transitioned
(01:23):
into what she's doing now. So I'd love to just
kind of, you know, first and foremost, give us a
thirty thousand foot overview of your life, your experiences, and
what made you who you are today, and then we'll
kind of go a little bit more narrow and deep.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That sounds great, Thank you so much. So it's interesting
I was raised in the San Francisco Bay area. It's
kind of this got to get good grades, got to
get into a good college, got to do all the
things all the time. Kind of this like go mentality
and pressure, and even while I was in my college classes,
(01:55):
I sort of had this idea of like, Okay, well
I'm just gonna do these things to make people happy,
but really I just want to be a wife and
a mom, and that was kind of my driving force.
Fast forward, we have kids, and my husband is lovely
and wonderful, but he points out, if we are going
to continue to live in the San Francisco area, I
need to actually make money because it costs a lot here.
(02:19):
So I was racking my brain and trying really hard
to figure out like a legitimate way to make money
from home while raising my kids. And I was doing
some freelance writing and some editing online, and I stumbled
upon blogging, and I loved the idea that there were
real women, real ones out there making money from home
(02:41):
in their pajamas and writing to the internet. I'm like, Okay, well,
how do I go about doing this? But ironically, I'm
actually a super private person. I didn't want to put
my kids' pictures online. I didn't want to use their names.
The idea of like a traditional quote unquote mommy blog
wasn't for me. So I liked the idea of a
(03:02):
super tight focused niche of food blogging. But in real life,
I'm not the best cook in the world. Like, I
get it. I understand why people like cooking for me.
In my brain, I'm not gonna have a zen moment
chopping an onion. So I really just liked my crockpot.
I liked putting the food in, pushing a button, and
then I just literally didn't have to think about it.
(03:23):
So I came up with this idea of making a
New Year's resolution to use a crockpot sil cooker every
day for a year and write about it online, and
it took off. It literally at the time, this was
two thousand and eight, so back in the dinosaur days
of the internet. It was truly the first crockpot recipe site,
and it went viral and went crazy. I ended up
(03:44):
on Rachel Ray and Good Morning America, oprah dot com
like all of this fun and amazing and wonderful things.
And I loved it. And it paid bills, it paid
the mortgage. I was able to stay home with my babies.
And I liked it until I didn't, and by I didn't.
The whole time I was doing it, I felt like
(04:05):
I was playing a character. I was playing the crop
pot lady. And I loved writing. I had gone to
school for English literature. I assumed I would always write
something or do some teaching, but not about recipes. And
so I'm doing speaking and cooking demonstrations and the people
in the audience probably knew a lot more about cooking
(04:26):
than I did. And my book agents and the publishers
loved me doing this, and they wanted me to keep
feeding the beast. But I started feeling like really phony baloney,
like how many pot roast recipes does the world really need?
And then all of a sudden, the instant pot hit
the market, and my book publisher really wanted me to
(04:49):
translate all my recipes to the instant pot, which is
a pressure cooker, which is literally the exact opposite of
a slow cooker. The tech is great, the idea that
you can cook a frozen ch in forty five minutes,
totally get that. But for my brain and my body,
it didn't work. I want to put things on, I'm
still highly caffeinated and coherent, push a button and walk away,
(05:11):
and so I didn't want to do that. And then
I got fired, and then I had a panic attack.
I was driving to go and get park in San Francisco.
I had to pull off the freeway and kind of
center myself. I felt like the world was moving too fast.
I was living kind of this inauthentic life and I did.
I had this voice of God kind of come in
and say, hey, Staph, just because you can do something fast,
(05:35):
it doesn't mean you should. And that's when I sort
of decided to kind of burn down the croc bot
lady and rebuild step by step as actual staphf the
real me and write and coach and teach about slow living.
And that is where I got to meet you.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Such a robot story, and I think it's it's so
interesting because people they hear the highlight reels of that
story and they're like, oh my gosh, how could you
not love that? You had all this recognition, you have
this following, you had media coverage, all these things, but
also your identity was crockpot lady, right, and then you
heard this voice of God. And I know from my
own identity crisis and burning down something that doesn't serve
(06:14):
me any longer, there's that kind of crash and the
almost identity crisis on the other end of it. So
what was it like on the other end of it,
Because it's like, if I'm not the crockpot lady anymore,
who am I? Can you talk to us a little
bit about that rebirthing and rebuilding process.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So it's really interesting when you're playing a character and
this happens. I mean, we're actually bred and kind of
indoctrinated into this system where the teachers you're like, no, no,
you just follow this guideline and checklist and then you
will quote unquote turn out okay, And we're sort of
pressured into learning what's going to be on the test.
(06:49):
But when you're a full fledged human, an adult, and
you're in charge of your own life. You have to
decide on purpose who you are and what feels good
in your body. Otherwise you're playing a role, you're doing
what other people want you to do, and you'll never
truly feel fulfilled. And so I really want to kind
of go within and really start asking myself good questions.
(07:12):
And so I came up with this acronym for slow,
which is slow living. But it simply look only within.
And when you go slow and you start to ask
yourself really good questions God or the universe or your
intuition answers. So it's like, okay, how do I want
to spend my day? And then just go quiet and listen,
(07:36):
and you will start to hear the voices and then
follow them because if it's a good idea, that same
voice will come back over and over again, and sometimes
it comes up a lot. Actually with writers. It's people
think that if they don't quickly write down and capture
the idea, it's lost forever. No. No, that kind of
plays into hussle culture in real life. If it's a
(07:59):
good idea, it's going to come back over and over
and over again, and it's going to kind of sort
of haunt you until you see it through. And that
for me is what made me want to start writing
and teaching about living. Is this idea of faster is
not better just kept like just kind of coming up
(08:22):
in my daydreams and my journaling.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And so what was it like to step away from
the limelight and the notoriety and like be in that
quiet and again you're not getting validated by what you
were once getting validated by. So what was that transition
like for you within your own self worth and your identity.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I had to sort of just trust that God in
the universe would meet me halfway if I did everything
on my part, just trusting that that the other part,
the other missing piece of the puzzle, would meet me halfway.
And it was a lot of faith, it really was.
But I also knew I wouldn't feel comfortable and I
(09:01):
wouldn't feel fulfilled unless I saw through the stuff that
I can control on my end. So Wayne Dyer used
to always say, don't die with the music still in you.
If there's something inside that you know is there and
you just keep squashing it down. That's the stuff that
haunts people on their deathbed and they wish that they
(09:21):
had just done the thing and so that's what I
would want people to do. Do the thing. Do the thing,
but don't feel like you're behind. And if you don't
do it within six weeks or whatever, you failed. Slow, steady, thoughtful, methodical.
That's kind of the key to sustainability. Otherwise you feel
like like you're just always in a rush and you're
(09:43):
feeling behind, and that feeling of behindedness is what fuels anxiety.
And I think in general humans we have great, big, huge,
juicy brains, and so we want to control all the things.
But in real life, you can only control what you control.
So decide, Okay, how can I best utilize my time today? Okay,
let's knock some things off of my list. Okay, how
(10:06):
can I fuel my body today? How can I nourish
my body today? And chances are the voice of God
isn't going to be like, so really you should lay
on the couch and drink a bottle of wine and
polish off a dozen donuts. No, no, no, you know you
know what you should be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You know, for anyone who's listening, it's like, please don't
hear what we're not saying. It's not like jump off
a building without a parachute, and I, honestly, I look back,
I made that mistake. I honestly burned down the metaphorical
building of my old work probably way too fast, and
I didn't have a parachute, and I did jump into anxiety, right,
But it was that kind of like, Okay, I did
it slowly for you, I'm saying it was practical. You
(10:42):
still had all of the logistics met you needed to
meet your needs on that front. So knowing that, like,
it's not jump off the building without a parachute, But
what would you say to anyone who feels kind of purposeless,
like they're just in a job or they're just in
a work and they feel like they haven't necessarily found
their calling, so to speak, Like, was there something that
resonated with you when you thought about this idea of
(11:04):
slow living that you're like, this is a calling, this
is a purpose, it's not just a job. Can you
kind of speak to the distinction between that as it
appeared for you? Was there something that resonated with you
when you thought about this idea of slow living that
(11:25):
you're like, this is a calling, this is a purpose,
it's not just a job. Can you kind of speak
to the distinction between that as it appeared for you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and I also do want to point out the
burning things down part. It's a fun metaphor to say that,
but in real life, I'm super practical. So that website
a year of slow cooking still exists and it still
is making money, and then that money is then funding
the stuff I really want to do. Yeah, so I'm
(11:54):
not gonna what is that praise, I'm not gonna look
a gift horse in the mouth or whatever. Said. In
order to feed the Internet and algorithms, you have to
constantly produce content. So and if you're writing recipes, really
what the algorithm wants is you to change an ingredient
(12:15):
or to slap on a new name, write a new intro,
and then it's a brand speaking new recipe. But in general,
there were already dozens and dozens of similar recipes on
the site. So that's what I mean, Like, I'm no
longer feeding that beast, but it still is existing in
passive income capacity. And then as far as serving my needs,
(12:41):
so I teach the Peace pyramid. It's a simple shortcuts
to peace course. I ended up being certificated to do
life coaching, and I'm going through a yoga certification now
also to teach some social and emotional learning. Humans want
to feel like they have the answers. We want to
(13:02):
be able to reverse engineers success. We want to know
what's going to be on the test. We want to
have data driven decisioning that feels like we're really truly
in control. So, if you can kind of envision a pyramid,
the bottom level is time management and health and finances.
(13:24):
So if you use that slow acronym of simply look
only within, and you ask yourself, how do I want
to feel today? How do I want to feel calm?
How do I want to feel productive? Okay? Great? What
do I need to do from a time management standpoint
to meet that need? What about from a health standpoint
and a finance standpoint? Just letting your the voice of God,
(13:44):
your intuition answer those questions. That's how you feed your
to do list. And so if that's the bottom layer
of the pyramid of time management, health and finances, the
next one is organization and then relationships, and then when
you have those pieces, you can put the tiny little
one on top, which is peace. And that's what people
(14:06):
are searching for, is that peace? But sometimes they go
about it backwards. They spend all day long praying and
waiting for God to provide or waiting, or they're like
kumbayawing on a mountaintop and like waiting for some huge
signs like Moses in the burning bush. Like most people
(14:27):
aren't going to have a burning bush. Talk to them
and tell them exactly what to do. So what you
can do is do these puzzle pieces to feel in control,
and then just trust that you're doing your part, and
then it just gets easier. The world is full of variables.
(14:49):
We can't control. We can't control other people. We can't
control natural disasters, we can't control the weather, we can't
control politics. But in your own life, you can decide
what will fulfill you. And so for me, it's teaching
and writing and coaching and speaking and so planning my
(15:10):
day accordingly. Okay, So I know, in order to make
my brain feel good, I need to go for a run.
I need to put thirty minutes on the calendar no
matter what, to go for rent. I need to do
a little bit of journaling. I need to check in
with my mom and send a text. And so it's
it's meeting all of these different components in order to
(15:32):
feel one in control and two common mpiece.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, absolutely, because you know, I talk about this a
lot with my clients. There's this idea of like, yes,
we want to surrender what we cannot influence and influence
what we can. But sometimes, you know, if we're not careful,
and I know, I mean I've had that those moments
of crossover as well, where it can turn into like
delusional optimism of like if I just sit here and
I kumbah yah and I pray hard enough, everything will
(15:58):
magically transform. And the way I describe it is it's
got to be a co creation because there is that
free will piece of the puzzle, right, Yes, like believe
in miracles and believing in what you can't yet possibly
see your taste or smell or touch yet, But you've
got to meet God halfway because he's not going to
do the heavy lifting of what you need to do.
But also what you've said about first and foremost, like yes,
(16:19):
we can ask God to give us peace. But then
there's also that free will side of things of what
can we do to manufacture our piece or at least
stop manufacturing anxiety right now? Right, it's got to be
that co creation, and that's how we take radical ownership
of and responsibility for what we can influence and surrender
the rest over to God. Like two things can be
true at the same time. You can be in surrender
(16:40):
and taking ownership of what you can influence, which is
very different than trying to control, trying to micromanage things
that are out of your control. And I think that's
that's the big distinction, so so beautifully said transitioning over
(17:02):
into this concept of judgment in faith, right, because you
and I have talked about it. You had an interesting
upbringing when it came to your experiences with faith and
your relationship with God, and then you've had experiences and
there was parts of you that you didn't even bridge
the topic of the subject of faith because of these experiences.
And then we are always talking about on this podcast
(17:22):
that there is no right or wrong way to have
a relationship with God. But there's a lot of people
out there that are going to try to make you
wrong for believing certain things. The Bible says what the
Bible says, and we're not trying to change the Bible
or anything like that. No one can tell you how
to have a relationship with God. No one can tell
you how to experience faith. No one can tell you
(17:43):
how to craft your identity and renew your mind and
become the next version of yourself. And that's the difference
between religion versus faith. You know, religion is rules and
working for and hustling for your worthiness. Faith is a relationship.
It is a relationship with God. Right, So can you
just share a little bit about your experiences coming up
(18:03):
against some of the judgments around faith and how it
maybe you know, pushed you further away from faith and
then it brought you back full circle to be able
to stand in who you are.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I really like what you just said about hustling
for your worthiness. Were Presbyterian. I was baptized in a
Presbyterian church and then confirmed, and my husband and I
were married in the same church actually that my parents
were married and my grandparents helped found But I would
(18:31):
try on different religions and attend church different denominations with friends,
and that feeling of not being good enough and how
I was doing it, and the feelings of inadequacy and
unworthiness would bubble up. It wasn't that way within my
own church family, and at that particular Presbyterian Church, I felt,
(18:55):
no matter who I was and what I was wearing,
and whether or not I was fidgeting in the pew,
was good enough and I felt at home there. And
so that's for me what faith and my version of
religion and how I feel comfortable with Christianity is no
matter what, I have, unconditional love and that feeling of worthiness.
(19:20):
Whereas some of the others, I thought, Oh, my gosh,
all of a sudden, they're standing and I didn't stand
fast enough. I'm not doing it right, or oh, they
already know all the words in this particular way, and
I was taught this way, and so I'm doing it wrong.
And I've always felt a little behind and that I
wasn't doing it right. And then Adam and I met
(19:40):
when we were really young. We've been married twenty five years.
So we got married young. We had some really close
friends that we traveled with that we spent a lot
of time with, we camped, we were all young and
frugal newlyweds, and so I thought we were the same
in many many ways. I vividly remember driving into Said
(20:03):
Francisco to see a play with them, and they were
in the front seat and we were in the back
seat and now looking back at it with like the
imager ring. It was sort of as if they were
the grown ups and Adam and I were in the
back seat as the kids, and they started looking at
us through the rearview mirror and it was as if
they were having an intervention, and they said, hey, so
(20:26):
something's been bothering us for a while, and we just
want to make sure that we talk about it, and
you know, this is what we think. And they essentially
told us they believed we were going to help and
it was because we had this envisioning and lifestyle and
that everyone is worthy and everyone is unconditionally loved, regardless
(20:47):
of any upbringing and way of life. And they dismissed that,
and they sort of told us that the way we
thought and believed and practiced was wrong and it was
so wrong that they actually thought we would be going
to hell and then wanted to make sure that we
knew that and that they were able to help save
(21:09):
us if we so wished. And then they told us,
but it's okay, we can still be friends. And that
was weird enough.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The little knife in the side, like, oh, but it's okay, Yeah,
these are the kinds of things that I feel like
kind of move us further away from God, or we
question our faith like oh my gosh, am I doing
it wrong. And that's where I want to point out,
like that is where it is no one's place to
tell you that your relationship with God is wrong or
bad or misdirected. Now here's the thing, Like, and I
(21:36):
don't get into politics or lifestyle or anything on this podcast.
It's not about that, right, But here's what I say
is that, like, it is not for me to judge
your lifestyle. But what do they say hate the said
not the center, right. But my role, I believe, is
to love you and speak truth to you. Because here's
the thing. Let's say you have a lifestyle that I
disagree with, and I just show up as this judge,
(21:57):
shamey you know self, you know, critical version of yourself.
I'm never going to help you find the love and
the worthiness that you are searching for in the end. Right,
And so that's where it's like I feel like it
can go backwards where people are so just convicted by
their convictions that they lose the humanness, they lose the
compassion and the love and the gentleness that God has
(22:19):
for all of us. He loves all of us, right,
and whatever you choose to do with your lifestyle, that
is between you and God. And I feel like that's
the kind of thing that people get indoctrinated into and
it makes people move away from God. It's not helping
at all, but it's definitely harming, you know, So how
do you reconcile that you know? And I know you
said you're not really friends with that person anymore, but
(22:40):
so obviously you know who you are in God's eyes,
But like, these are the kinds of things that obviously
your upbringing and you mentioned being a people pleaser, right,
So how does that plan?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How did you decide who you are in the face
of this and being bold in your own faith?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Thank you? I think a lot of it comes from
taking the time I am to go within and being
really introspective. If you are playing the game according to
someone else's rules, you will shape shift and you will
chameleon the size in order to please others. But when
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you stand strong in who you are and your conviction
and this is who I am, take it or leave it,
and really do feel strong and stable in that. And
I think That's why I like the imagery of the pyramid,
and that is the strongest and most stable of the
man made structures. You can blow me over. I'm not
going anywhere. This is me. And I think also especially
(23:38):
for women, is we're taught from a very young age
not to take up space, not to be too noisy.
And it was funny we were talking earlier about fidgeting
in church. I was constantly being told Steffie, will still Steffie,
stop moving, like, don't draw attention to yourself. And now
with the work that I'm trying to do is I
want people to stand firm in who they are and
(24:02):
really feel confident like no, I don't like this and
I don't like that, and I'm not gonna do these
things just to please someone else. And that does come
with maybe hitting the pause button and maybe not moving
so fast and really taking the time to ask yourself
(24:23):
what you believe in and what you deem true. And
it might not be what your parents believe in, and
it might not be what the teachers taught you in school,
because when you're a grown up, you get to decide
what feels true to you.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And that's why I think it's so important to really
reiterate that carving out your identity and knowing who you
are and who you are that is something that no
one can and no one will do for you. But
I really believe it's paramount for us to do because again,
we chameleonize like you said, I love that word, and
we sift and we and shift and form to be
(24:58):
who we think other people are. But when we get
really clear and stand in the knowingness of who we are,
that's when we become unshakable. That's when we can look
at other people's opinions and say, you know what, I
see that and I don't agree with it. But I
don't need to make you wrong so that I can
feel right. I don't need to put you down so
that I can feel better about myself. But I also
don't need to pretend like I agree with you just
(25:19):
so that I'll feel accepted, because I know who I
am and I can stand in the knowingness of that.
And that is the identity shift. And that's where again,
like it might be drastically different than what you grew
up with, it might be drastically different than what your
friends are feeling. Right, But that's why it's so important
to really go inward and have those conversations with God.
And honestly, if you ask God who you are, he
(25:42):
will show you. And if you look in the Bible
for answers of like who does God say I am?
The Bible will show you you know. And when you
start really standing firm in that, it's not that other
people's judgments won't matter. It just won't make a difference
in how you show up. And it won't make a
difference in how you value and way and measure yourself
and how you find your worth and your value because again,
(26:03):
nobody can and will do that identity work for you.
You have to do it. But once you have it
and you know who you are, you get to stand
in it.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, And it's interesting because once you know really firmly
and deeply who you are, it doesn't matter if other
people don't get you exactly understand you. So I think
sometimes people are quick to say I don't understand this,
or I don't understand so and so, But you don't
have to understand in order to accept. And that's a
(26:38):
big difference. There are people in my family who I
don't understand and that's okay. Like, okay, well their brain
just must work way if than mine, and that's okay.
I can accept who they are. But in return, my
hope is they accept me for who I am, even
(27:00):
if they don't understand absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
And when you accept you for who you are, you
give other people the ability to accept you who for
you are, because then you're not trying to force or
persuade or convince them or hustle for your worthiness like
we were talking about, you know, so such a powerful distinction.
And speaking of hustling, you have a book coming out,
So can you share a little bit about your book?
And then where can people find you and Google stock
you and find out more about you?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's interesting. I feel like like this was the book
that I was always destined to write and to produce.
So the full title is Slow Living Cultivating a Life
of Purpose in a hustle driven world. And it is
out wherever books are sold, so you can find it
on the Amazon and in all of the independent bookstores.
(27:45):
And then I have a Slow Living podcast and so
the book is essentially the podcast in book form. But
I think the biggest takeaway is when you ask God
and when you really do go quiet, the answers are given,
(28:07):
and then just start following the path that's laid out
before you and don't feel like you're behind. Many many
people say and quote and repeat without actually even thinking
about the words of life is short, life is short,
Got to do it? Life is short, life is short.
So sort of, but if we're lucky, it's long. And
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decide that you're not behind and you'll get there when
you get there, because that feeling of being behind and
having to rush is what fuels the anxiety and feeling
of unworthiness. It doesn't mean that you don't have to
take action. It doesn't mean that you have to lie
on the couch and do nothing. It doesn't mean, like
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we were talking, you have to go sit on a
mountaintop and kumbaya all day long, take teeny tiny baby
steps forward in it, it's essentially the story of the
tortoise and the hair be the tortoise, because you'll get
there when you get there, but you're going to enjoy
it so much more. You do not need to rush
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through life.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, amen to that. And if you're the first question
in your mind is well, like, how do I actually
slow down? How do I get quiet? That is what
her book is all about so slow living cultivating a
life of purpose in a hustle driven world. We'll link
it in the show notes. We'll also link your podcast.
Thank you so much for being here, Stephanie and just
sharing your journey and sharing your experiences. So grateful to.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Have you here. Absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, Hello, we are back here on what's God got
to do with it? And I'm here with my friend
Stephanie Oday and such a beautiful heart soul, and you
are going to find out a lot about her journey. So,
first of all, Hello Stephanie, thank you so much for
being here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Hello, Hello, I am thrilled, absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, Sephanie and I met at an event a few
months ago and became fast friends. For all of the things,
there's a personal crossover, and now we're here to talk
about the spiritual side of things. But she has such
a transformational story both with you know, who she chose
to be as a woman, as a wife, as a mom,
but then also her career that you know kind of
she accidentally stumbled upon into and then you know, transitioned
(01:23):
into what she's doing now. So I'd love to just
kind of, you know, first and foremost, give us a
thirty thousand foot overview of your life, your experiences, and
what made you who you are today, and then we'll
kind of go a little bit more narrow and deep.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That sounds great, Thank you so much. So it's interesting
I was raised in the San Francisco Bay area. It's
kind of this got to get good grades, got to
get into a good college, got to do all the
things all the time. Kind of this like go mentality
and pressure, and even while I was in my college classes,
(01:55):
I sort of had this idea of like, Okay, well
I'm just gonna do these things to make people happy,
but really I just want to be a wife and
a mom, and that was kind of my driving force.
Fast forward, we have kids, and my husband is lovely
and wonderful, but he points out, if we are going
to continue to live in the San Francisco area, I
need to actually make money because it costs a lot here.
(02:19):
So I was racking my brain and trying really hard
to figure out like a legitimate way to make money
from home while raising my kids. And I was doing
some freelance writing and some editing online, and I stumbled
upon blogging, and I loved the idea that there were
real women, real ones out there making money from home
(02:41):
in their pajamas and writing to the internet. I'm like, Okay, well,
how do I go about doing this? But ironically, I'm
actually a super private person. I didn't want to put
my kids' pictures online. I didn't want to use their names.
The idea of like a traditional quote unquote mommy blog
wasn't for me. So I liked the idea of a
(03:02):
super tight focused niche of food blogging. But in real life,
I'm not the best cook in the world. Like, I
get it. I understand why people like cooking for me.
In my brain, I'm not gonna have a zen moment
chopping an onion. So I really just liked my crockpot.
I liked putting the food in, pushing a button, and
then I just literally didn't have to think about it.
(03:23):
So I came up with this idea of making a
New Year's resolution to use a crockpot sil cooker every
day for a year and write about it online, and
it took off. It literally at the time, this was
two thousand and eight, so back in the dinosaur days
of the internet. It was truly the first crockpot recipe site,
and it went viral and went crazy. I ended up
(03:44):
on Rachel Ray and Good Morning America, oprah dot com
like all of this fun and amazing and wonderful things.
And I loved it. And it paid bills, it paid
the mortgage. I was able to stay home with my babies.
And I liked it until I didn't, and by I didn't.
The whole time I was doing it, I felt like
(04:05):
I was playing a character. I was playing the crop
pot lady. And I loved writing. I had gone to
school for English literature. I assumed I would always write
something or do some teaching, but not about recipes. And
so I'm doing speaking and cooking demonstrations and the people
in the audience probably knew a lot more about cooking
(04:26):
than I did. And my book agents and the publishers
loved me doing this, and they wanted me to keep
feeding the beast. But I started feeling like really phony baloney,
like how many pot roast recipes does the world really need?
And then all of a sudden, the instant pot hit
the market, and my book publisher really wanted me to
(04:49):
translate all my recipes to the instant pot, which is
a pressure cooker, which is literally the exact opposite of
a slow cooker. The tech is great, the idea that
you can cook a frozen ch in forty five minutes,
totally get that. But for my brain and my body,
it didn't work. I want to put things on, I'm
still highly caffeinated and coherent, push a button and walk away,
(05:11):
and so I didn't want to do that. And then
I got fired, and then I had a panic attack.
I was driving to go and get park in San Francisco.
I had to pull off the freeway and kind of
center myself. I felt like the world was moving too fast.
I was living kind of this inauthentic life and I did.
I had this voice of God kind of come in
and say, hey, Staph, just because you can do something fast,
(05:35):
it doesn't mean you should. And that's when I sort
of decided to kind of burn down the croc bot
lady and rebuild step by step as actual staphf the
real me and write and coach and teach about slow living.
And that is where I got to meet you.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Such a robot story, and I think it's it's so
interesting because people they hear the highlight reels of that
story and they're like, oh my gosh, how could you
not love that? You had all this recognition, you have
this following, you had media coverage, all these things, but
also your identity was crockpot lady, right, and then you
heard this voice of God. And I know from my
own identity crisis and burning down something that doesn't serve
(06:14):
me any longer, there's that kind of crash and the
almost identity crisis on the other end of it. So
what was it like on the other end of it,
Because it's like, if I'm not the crockpot lady anymore,
who am I? Can you talk to us a little
bit about that rebirthing and rebuilding process.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So it's really interesting when you're playing a character and
this happens. I mean, we're actually bred and kind of
indoctrinated into this system where the teachers you're like, no, no,
you just follow this guideline and checklist and then you
will quote unquote turn out okay, And we're sort of
pressured into learning what's going to be on the test.
(06:49):
But when you're a full fledged human, an adult, and
you're in charge of your own life. You have to
decide on purpose who you are and what feels good
in your body. Otherwise you're playing a role, you're doing
what other people want you to do, and you'll never
truly feel fulfilled. And so I really want to kind
of go within and really start asking myself good questions.
(07:12):
And so I came up with this acronym for slow,
which is slow living. But it simply look only within.
And when you go slow and you start to ask
yourself really good questions God or the universe or your
intuition answers. So it's like, okay, how do I want
to spend my day? And then just go quiet and listen,
(07:36):
and you will start to hear the voices and then
follow them because if it's a good idea, that same
voice will come back over and over again, and sometimes
it comes up a lot. Actually with writers. It's people
think that if they don't quickly write down and capture
the idea, it's lost forever. No. No, that kind of
plays into hussle culture in real life. If it's a
(07:59):
good idea, it's going to come back over and over
and over again, and it's going to kind of sort
of haunt you until you see it through. And that
for me is what made me want to start writing
and teaching about living. Is this idea of faster is
not better just kept like just kind of coming up
(08:22):
in my daydreams and my journaling.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And so what was it like to step away from
the limelight and the notoriety and like be in that
quiet and again you're not getting validated by what you
were once getting validated by. So what was that transition
like for you within your own self worth and your identity.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I had to sort of just trust that God in
the universe would meet me halfway if I did everything
on my part, just trusting that that the other part,
the other missing piece of the puzzle, would meet me halfway.
And it was a lot of faith, it really was.
But I also knew I wouldn't feel comfortable and I
(09:01):
wouldn't feel fulfilled unless I saw through the stuff that
I can control on my end. So Wayne Dyer used
to always say, don't die with the music still in you.
If there's something inside that you know is there and
you just keep squashing it down. That's the stuff that
haunts people on their deathbed and they wish that they
(09:21):
had just done the thing and so that's what I
would want people to do. Do the thing. Do the thing,
but don't feel like you're behind. And if you don't
do it within six weeks or whatever, you failed. Slow, steady, thoughtful, methodical.
That's kind of the key to sustainability. Otherwise you feel
like like you're just always in a rush and you're
(09:43):
feeling behind, and that feeling of behindedness is what fuels anxiety.
And I think in general humans we have great, big, huge,
juicy brains, and so we want to control all the things.
But in real life, you can only control what you control.
So decide, Okay, how can I best utilize my time today? Okay,
let's knock some things off of my list. Okay, how
(10:06):
can I fuel my body today? How can I nourish
my body today? And chances are the voice of God
isn't going to be like, so really you should lay
on the couch and drink a bottle of wine and
polish off a dozen donuts. No, no, no, you know you
know what you should be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
You know, for anyone who's listening, it's like, please don't
hear what we're not saying. It's not like jump off
a building without a parachute, and I, honestly, I look back,
I made that mistake. I honestly burned down the metaphorical
building of my old work probably way too fast, and
I didn't have a parachute, and I did jump into anxiety, right,
But it was that kind of like, Okay, I did
it slowly for you, I'm saying it was practical. You
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still had all of the logistics met you needed to
meet your needs on that front. So knowing that, like,
it's not jump off the building without a parachute, But
what would you say to anyone who feels kind of purposeless,
like they're just in a job or they're just in
a work and they feel like they haven't necessarily found
their calling, so to speak, Like, was there something that
resonated with you when you thought about this idea of
(11:04):
slow living that you're like, this is a calling, this
is a purpose, it's not just a job. Can you
kind of speak to the distinction between that as it
appeared for you? Was there something that resonated with you
when you thought about this idea of slow living that
(11:25):
you're like, this is a calling, this is a purpose,
it's not just a job. Can you kind of speak
to the distinction between that as it appeared for you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and I also do want to point out the
burning things down part. It's a fun metaphor to say that,
but in real life, I'm super practical. So that website
a year of slow cooking still exists and it still
is making money, and then that money is then funding
the stuff I really want to do. Yeah, so I'm
(11:54):
not gonna what is that praise, I'm not gonna look
a gift horse in the mouth or whatever. Said. In
order to feed the Internet and algorithms, you have to
constantly produce content. So and if you're writing recipes, really
what the algorithm wants is you to change an ingredient
(12:15):
or to slap on a new name, write a new intro,
and then it's a brand speaking new recipe. But in general,
there were already dozens and dozens of similar recipes on
the site. So that's what I mean, Like, I'm no
longer feeding that beast, but it still is existing in
passive income capacity. And then as far as serving my needs,
(12:41):
so I teach the Peace pyramid. It's a simple shortcuts
to peace course. I ended up being certificated to do
life coaching, and I'm going through a yoga certification now
also to teach some social and emotional learning. Humans want
to feel like they have the answers. We want to
(13:02):
be able to reverse engineers success. We want to know
what's going to be on the test. We want to
have data driven decisioning that feels like we're really truly
in control. So, if you can kind of envision a pyramid,
the bottom level is time management and health and finances.
(13:24):
So if you use that slow acronym of simply look
only within, and you ask yourself, how do I want
to feel today? How do I want to feel calm?
How do I want to feel productive? Okay? Great? What
do I need to do from a time management standpoint
to meet that need? What about from a health standpoint
and a finance standpoint? Just letting your the voice of God,
(13:44):
your intuition answer those questions. That's how you feed your
to do list. And so if that's the bottom layer
of the pyramid of time management, health and finances, the
next one is organization and then relationships, and then when
you have those pieces, you can put the tiny little
one on top, which is peace. And that's what people
(14:06):
are searching for, is that peace? But sometimes they go
about it backwards. They spend all day long praying and
waiting for God to provide or waiting, or they're like
kumbayawing on a mountaintop and like waiting for some huge
signs like Moses in the burning bush. Like most people
(14:27):
aren't going to have a burning bush. Talk to them
and tell them exactly what to do. So what you
can do is do these puzzle pieces to feel in control,
and then just trust that you're doing your part, and
then it just gets easier. The world is full of variables.
(14:49):
We can't control. We can't control other people. We can't
control natural disasters, we can't control the weather, we can't
control politics. But in your own life, you can decide
what will fulfill you. And so for me, it's teaching
and writing and coaching and speaking and so planning my
(15:10):
day accordingly. Okay, So I know, in order to make
my brain feel good, I need to go for a run.
I need to put thirty minutes on the calendar no
matter what, to go for rent. I need to do
a little bit of journaling. I need to check in
with my mom and send a text. And so it's
it's meeting all of these different components in order to
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feel one in control and two common mpiece.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, absolutely, because you know, I talk about this a
lot with my clients. There's this idea of like, yes,
we want to surrender what we cannot influence and influence
what we can. But sometimes, you know, if we're not careful,
and I know, I mean I've had that those moments
of crossover as well, where it can turn into like
delusional optimism of like if I just sit here and
I kumbah yah and I pray hard enough, everything will
(15:58):
magically transform. And the way I describe it is it's
got to be a co creation because there is that
free will piece of the puzzle, right, Yes, like believe
in miracles and believing in what you can't yet possibly
see your taste or smell or touch yet, But you've
got to meet God halfway because he's not going to
do the heavy lifting of what you need to do.
But also what you've said about first and foremost, like yes,
(16:19):
we can ask God to give us peace. But then
there's also that free will side of things of what
can we do to manufacture our piece or at least
stop manufacturing anxiety right now? Right, it's got to be
that co creation, and that's how we take radical ownership
of and responsibility for what we can influence and surrender
the rest over to God. Like two things can be
true at the same time. You can be in surrender
(16:40):
and taking ownership of what you can influence, which is
very different than trying to control, trying to micromanage things
that are out of your control. And I think that's
that's the big distinction, so so beautifully said transitioning over
(17:02):
into this concept of judgment in faith, right, because you
and I have talked about it. You had an interesting
upbringing when it came to your experiences with faith and
your relationship with God, and then you've had experiences and
there was parts of you that you didn't even bridge
the topic of the subject of faith because of these experiences.
And then we are always talking about on this podcast
(17:22):
that there is no right or wrong way to have
a relationship with God. But there's a lot of people
out there that are going to try to make you
wrong for believing certain things. The Bible says what the
Bible says, and we're not trying to change the Bible
or anything like that. No one can tell you how
to have a relationship with God. No one can tell
you how to experience faith. No one can tell you
(17:43):
how to craft your identity and renew your mind and
become the next version of yourself. And that's the difference
between religion versus faith. You know, religion is rules and
working for and hustling for your worthiness. Faith is a relationship.
It is a relationship with God. Right, So can you
just share a little bit about your experiences coming up
(18:03):
against some of the judgments around faith and how it
maybe you know, pushed you further away from faith and
then it brought you back full circle to be able
to stand in who you are.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I really like what you just said about hustling
for your worthiness. Were Presbyterian. I was baptized in a
Presbyterian church and then confirmed, and my husband and I
were married in the same church actually that my parents
were married and my grandparents helped found But I would
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try on different religions and attend church different denominations with friends,
and that feeling of not being good enough and how
I was doing it, and the feelings of inadequacy and
unworthiness would bubble up. It wasn't that way within my
own church family, and at that particular Presbyterian Church, I felt,
(18:55):
no matter who I was and what I was wearing,
and whether or not I was fidgeting in the pew,
was good enough and I felt at home there. And
so that's for me what faith and my version of
religion and how I feel comfortable with Christianity is no
matter what, I have, unconditional love and that feeling of worthiness.
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Whereas some of the others, I thought, Oh, my gosh,
all of a sudden, they're standing and I didn't stand
fast enough. I'm not doing it right, or oh, they
already know all the words in this particular way, and
I was taught this way, and so I'm doing it wrong.
And I've always felt a little behind and that I
wasn't doing it right. And then Adam and I met
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when we were really young. We've been married twenty five years.
So we got married young. We had some really close
friends that we traveled with that we spent a lot
of time with, we camped, we were all young and
frugal newlyweds, and so I thought we were the same
in many many ways. I vividly remember driving into Said
(20:03):
Francisco to see a play with them, and they were
in the front seat and we were in the back
seat and now looking back at it with like the
imager ring. It was sort of as if they were
the grown ups and Adam and I were in the
back seat as the kids, and they started looking at
us through the rearview mirror and it was as if
they were having an intervention, and they said, hey, so
(20:26):
something's been bothering us for a while, and we just
want to make sure that we talk about it, and
you know, this is what we think. And they essentially
told us they believed we were going to help and
it was because we had this envisioning and lifestyle and
that everyone is worthy and everyone is unconditionally loved, regardless
(20:47):
of any upbringing and way of life. And they dismissed that,
and they sort of told us that the way we
thought and believed and practiced was wrong and it was
so wrong that they actually thought we would be going
to hell and then wanted to make sure that we
knew that and that they were able to help save
(21:09):
us if we so wished. And then they told us,
but it's okay, we can still be friends. And that
was weird enough.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
The little knife in the side, like, oh, but it's okay, Yeah,
these are the kinds of things that I feel like
kind of move us further away from God, or we
question our faith like oh my gosh, am I doing
it wrong. And that's where I want to point out,
like that is where it is no one's place to
tell you that your relationship with God is wrong or
bad or misdirected. Now here's the thing, Like, and I
(21:36):
don't get into politics or lifestyle or anything on this podcast.
It's not about that, right, But here's what I say
is that, like, it is not for me to judge
your lifestyle. But what do they say hate the said
not the center, right. But my role, I believe, is
to love you and speak truth to you. Because here's
the thing. Let's say you have a lifestyle that I
disagree with, and I just show up as this judge,
(21:57):
shamey you know self, you know, critical version of yourself.
I'm never going to help you find the love and
the worthiness that you are searching for in the end. Right,
And so that's where it's like I feel like it
can go backwards where people are so just convicted by
their convictions that they lose the humanness, they lose the
compassion and the love and the gentleness that God has
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for all of us. He loves all of us, right,
and whatever you choose to do with your lifestyle, that
is between you and God. And I feel like that's
the kind of thing that people get indoctrinated into and
it makes people move away from God. It's not helping
at all, but it's definitely harming, you know, So how
do you reconcile that you know? And I know you
said you're not really friends with that person anymore, but
(22:40):
so obviously you know who you are in God's eyes,
But like, these are the kinds of things that obviously
your upbringing and you mentioned being a people pleaser, right,
So how does that plan?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How did you decide who you are in the face
of this and being bold in your own faith?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Thank you? I think a lot of it comes from
taking the time I am to go within and being
really introspective. If you are playing the game according to
someone else's rules, you will shape shift and you will
chameleon the size in order to please others. But when
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you stand strong in who you are and your conviction
and this is who I am, take it or leave it,
and really do feel strong and stable in that. And
I think That's why I like the imagery of the pyramid,
and that is the strongest and most stable of the
man made structures. You can blow me over. I'm not
going anywhere. This is me. And I think also especially
(23:38):
for women, is we're taught from a very young age
not to take up space, not to be too noisy.
And it was funny we were talking earlier about fidgeting
in church. I was constantly being told Steffie, will still Steffie,
stop moving, like, don't draw attention to yourself. And now
with the work that I'm trying to do is I
want people to stand firm in who they are and
(24:02):
really feel confident like no, I don't like this and
I don't like that, and I'm not gonna do these
things just to please someone else. And that does come
with maybe hitting the pause button and maybe not moving
so fast and really taking the time to ask yourself
(24:23):
what you believe in and what you deem true. And
it might not be what your parents believe in, and
it might not be what the teachers taught you in school,
because when you're a grown up, you get to decide
what feels true to you.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
And that's why I think it's so important to really
reiterate that carving out your identity and knowing who you
are and who you are that is something that no
one can and no one will do for you. But
I really believe it's paramount for us to do because again,
we chameleonize like you said, I love that word, and
we sift and we and shift and form to be
(24:58):
who we think other people are. But when we get
really clear and stand in the knowingness of who we are,
that's when we become unshakable. That's when we can look
at other people's opinions and say, you know what, I
see that and I don't agree with it. But I
don't need to make you wrong so that I can
feel right. I don't need to put you down so
that I can feel better about myself. But I also
don't need to pretend like I agree with you just
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so that I'll feel accepted, because I know who I
am and I can stand in the knowingness of that.
And that is the identity shift. And that's where again,
like it might be drastically different than what you grew
up with, it might be drastically different than what your
friends are feeling. Right, But that's why it's so important
to really go inward and have those conversations with God.
And honestly, if you ask God who you are, he
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will show you. And if you look in the Bible
for answers of like who does God say I am?
The Bible will show you you know. And when you
start really standing firm in that, it's not that other
people's judgments won't matter. It just won't make a difference
in how you show up. And it won't make a
difference in how you value and way and measure yourself
and how you find your worth and your value because again,
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nobody can and will do that identity work for you.
You have to do it. But once you have it
and you know who you are, you get to stand
in it.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, And it's interesting because once you know really firmly
and deeply who you are, it doesn't matter if other
people don't get you exactly understand you. So I think
sometimes people are quick to say I don't understand this,
or I don't understand so and so, But you don't
have to understand in order to accept. And that's a
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big difference. There are people in my family who I
don't understand and that's okay. Like, okay, well their brain
just must work way if than mine, and that's okay.
I can accept who they are. But in return, my
hope is they accept me for who I am, even
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if they don't understand absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
And when you accept you for who you are, you
give other people the ability to accept you who for
you are, because then you're not trying to force or
persuade or convince them or hustle for your worthiness like
we were talking about, you know, so such a powerful distinction.
And speaking of hustling, you have a book coming out,
So can you share a little bit about your book?
And then where can people find you and Google stock
you and find out more about you?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's interesting. I feel like like this was the book
that I was always destined to write and to produce.
So the full title is Slow Living Cultivating a Life
of Purpose in a hustle driven world. And it is
out wherever books are sold, so you can find it
on the Amazon and in all of the independent bookstores.
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And then I have a Slow Living podcast and so
the book is essentially the podcast in book form. But
I think the biggest takeaway is when you ask God
and when you really do go quiet, the answers are given,
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and then just start following the path that's laid out
before you and don't feel like you're behind. Many many
people say and quote and repeat without actually even thinking
about the words of life is short, life is short,
Got to do it? Life is short, life is short.
So sort of, but if we're lucky, it's long. And
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decide that you're not behind and you'll get there when
you get there, because that feeling of being behind and
having to rush is what fuels the anxiety and feeling
of unworthiness. It doesn't mean that you don't have to
take action. It doesn't mean that you have to lie
on the couch and do nothing. It doesn't mean, like
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we were talking, you have to go sit on a
mountaintop and kumbaya all day long, take teeny tiny baby
steps forward in it, it's essentially the story of the
tortoise and the hair be the tortoise, because you'll get
there when you get there, but you're going to enjoy
it so much more. You do not need to rush
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through life.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, amen to that. And if you're the first question
in your mind is well, like, how do I actually
slow down? How do I get quiet? That is what
her book is all about so slow living cultivating a
life of purpose in a hustle driven world. We'll link
it in the show notes. We'll also link your podcast.
Thank you so much for being here, Stephanie and just
sharing your journey and sharing your experiences. So grateful to.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Have you here. Absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's it for now on What's God Got to Do
with It?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
We'll be back with more What's God Got to Do
with It? But in the meantime, I would definitely love
to hear from you, so just tell me where you
are in your story or maybe what questions you have,
like where do you feel you need clarity or support
or wisdom in your own journey. I definitely want to
hear from you, So head on over to What's God
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