July 24, 2025 • 70 mins
Nick Wright is back talking about the NFL! Starting with a break down all the big headlines out of training camps across the league, including the return of Patrick Mahomes and his Kansas City Chiefs explosive passing attack. Then, Nick discusses the Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Hurts’ philosophy coming off a Super Bowl title as well as Tua Tagovailoa and Tyreek Hill beefing in Miami. Later, Nick talks about the faces in new places and training camp holdouts. Finally, as always, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome in What Driving the Grid Episode three point fifty two.
This episode of What Driving the Grid is brought to
you by Boose Mobile A ton to do today. It
is officially, at least for my purposes, football season, there
is no real NBA news. This is the one kind
of quiet time of the NBA calendar, which you know
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is here because people are like, yeah, we want to
throw out there the Lebron James Hgh stuff and just
see if we get some level of engagement reaction Like
that means there's no real NBA news. The only NBA
news is supposedly Luca's Slovenian coach said Luca's signing an
extension with the Lakers and had the contract details on it.
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I don't know that I can trust that translation with
its football season from here, if July and July means
it's vacation and football season, those are the two seasons
it is. And it's also one hundred best podcasts of
all time season. More on that in a moment, but
my takeaway was Deman' say you need to do more.
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I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
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Stefan Diggs sat down a little baby rescue puppy and
then almost couldn't catch the puppy. I was worried, Stephan
I was gonna take a false step and hurt himself.
And the Browns unveiled a new helmet. We're gonna play
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a video for our YouTube audience. One of the videographers
falls off the little boat where they're unveiling it. I
think it is fifty to fifty whether he actually fell
or whether he was looking.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Look for it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I know, but I also think it's possible. They're like, sorry,
here's what we need to do today. We need to
make sure this goes viral. You need to fall in
the water. All right, let's get in to the top
one hundred podcasts quickly. Because I'm I'm joking about us
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being snubbed. I am not joking about two kind of
indefensible snubs. And now, obviously there has been reporting and
it's been announced that Fox Sports, my primary employer, is
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partnering with Barstool Sports. I haven't really commented much on that.
It's not really my business and It's also I think
whenever there's new shows, it means, you know, shows that
were there are no longer there. People lose their jobs,
and so it's a you know, it's always a weird spot.
Even if you're excited for what something can be that
you know people there is some disappointment, and obviously real
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life is affected. So I kind of stayed out of
all of that. I am only even acknowledging it now
because I think people might be like, oh, all of
a sudden, you know, Fox says the old barstool and
Nick is gonna talk up pardon my take. That's not
what's happening here. I'm just going to be totally fair, honest,
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and I think accurate here. Doing the top one hundred
podcasts of all time, having sports podcasts on there and
not having pardon my take on there means invalidates the list.
You want to do the ten best podcasts of all time,
you can kind of leave out whoever you want because
there's only ten. You want to do the twenty five
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best podcasts of all time and only include one sports podcast,
then give it to Bill Simmons and then keep it moving.
So be it. You're gonna have one hundred podcasts on
a list and not have pardon my take on there.
It means your list is not to be taken seriously
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and then and again because I must just be fair
and honest. Even though I have listened to zero of
these episodes, I am you know, you get me in
more of a private setting and ask me, hey, net
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positive or negative on the Republic as a whole, this
podcast existing, what do you think? I'd probably have some
spicy takes With all that said, Joe Rogan's podcast not
making the top hundred podcasts ever when it's maybe the
single most successful podcast ever is lunacy and it makes
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people think your list is just And it's Time Magazine.
I know Time Magazine isn't what it once was, but
the brand is still strong. It's still Time Magazine and not.
It would be as if you did the top hundred
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basketball players ever and you leave off Wilt. It's like, well,
anybody that could that would get votes for if you
were did the best podcast ever, pardon my take would
get a couple votes Joe Rogan's podcast, but we get
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more than a couple votes. And if you're gonna make
a list and it's not the best podcast ever. It's
the one hundred best podcasts ever, and you found room.
And by the way, credit to him because it is
real journalism. You know, my uh what I like? What
do I call him? Not enemy?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What do I call Pablo rival? My sworn rival. No,
I won't elevate him to nemesis. But my credit to
Pablo because it's real journalism. It's affected some real change
of the NFLPA and it feels like his his podcast
got in right under the wire. Good for them, seriously,
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And I mean that's sincerely. And if you want to
say Lebotard Show is ineligible because it's a radio show
and not podcast only, fine, but you cannot have a
top one hundred podcast list and not include pardon my take,
and not include Joe Rogan Show. And I say that,
and I'm kind of glad it's those two shows I'm
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focusing on because one of those shows and pardon my take,
I've been on multiple times. I like both those guys
I think is awesome. The other show and Joe Rogan
Show I've never listened to. I've never been on, I
have no connection to. And like I said, I'm not
really sure it's a net positive for the media ecosystem.
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But my opinion, I still if I were to list
one hundred grade, I think there's some what's a good
sports example of this? I said Wilt before. Oh yeah,
so no, that's not fair either. You've got to I'm
not even gonna use any real examples because it gets
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to Harry. You've got to include guys even if you
don't like what they say, or even if you don't
like what they represent, so to speak. If you're just
trying to say the one hundred greatest podcasts ever, you
can't do the fifty greatest running backs in the history
of the NFL and leave off O. J. Simpson. And again,
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I'm not comparing anyone on this list to an alleged
double murderer. But right, Aaron Rodgers, that's a better example.
Top Yeah, that's an even better example. You can't again,
if you want to do a top five and be like, eh,
Aaron annoys me tygos to Dan Marino, fine, like whatever,
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like the but you just lose you just totally lose
any credibility there. So uh, that just my two cents.
I obviously did not actually expect us to make the podcast,
but if they had seen that really heartfelt moment between
me and Deanna sending off to camp. Maybe we'd have
gotten some boats. I don't know. Reminder like rate subscribe review,
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have you written her?
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the red envelope one, not the overnight stamp thirty dollars,
saying the way you send me cards, sometimes it feels
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me this morning, she was like, she was like, I
need to write Deanna. And I said to her, I'm
said to Jerk. I was like, you haven't written her yet,
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
All that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, we have semi breaking news that is actually
going to maybe not be breaking news, but let's get
into it. Go ahead, Deman.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Day, So as we know camp's been going on for
a few days. We might already have a pretty bad
injury in Justin Fields. He was carted off with a
lower leg injury. And this is probably non contact. So
here's the same question.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So don't do the probably and also please take that
breaking off the screen because and I should have given
the prusers the heads up. So now Aaron Glenn has
come out and said it's a toe, and then the
further reporting is was sitting in the cart and this
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is a problem every training camp, and I beg and again,
maybe it's toe. Injuries can be significant. I'm not acting
like we know Justin Field is going to be fine.
I am saying this. NFL beat writers, we need precise language.
(10:16):
We need the difference between carted off and rode a
cart off. You follow me. Carted off implies like in
a football game in the regular season, when a guy
suffers something horrific, they bring out the cart. He's either
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prone to a board or if it's lower leg, you know,
leaning back, towel on his head, air cast something, you know, immobilized.
Ride a cart means ooh ah, I don't want to
walk all the way back there? Can I hop on
this golf cart next to the PR guy. And so
it's the further details were to Fields was sitting in
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the front seat of the cart. They got to the facility,
he limped off. Now again, if you're a Jets fan,
it's still not good news. I'm not acting. I'm not
saying it is. But everybody knows carted off connotates oh
my god, season over road, A cart off is very different.
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So we just need to be a little more precise
with our language on it. I will say this, if
he were and obviously you hope he's not. If he
were demons like truly injured, that to me is an
interesting Kirk Cousins destination. Like we've all forgotten that Kirk
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Cousins just sitting out there available. Yeah, Like I think
Kirk Cousins is gonna be somebody's starting quarterback this year. Now,
the Jets might be like, we're not gonna go from
one old guy coming off with achilles to another old
guy coming off achilles. I understand, but it is the Jats,
and and I think that the you know, obviously Kirk
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would bring none of the other stuff, the baggage that
Aaron brought. But again, PSA and and put this on
the put this on our social feeds. Training can't beat reporters.
We need to delineate between being carted off and writing
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a cart off. Carted off is you are You couldn't
walk off if you wanted to, and we're terrified of
what has happened. Writing a card off can be a
whole litany of possibilities, also including I don't really want
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to walk so again. I because this happened to me
once with who was it. I think it was Chris Jones.
I know, not with me personally, but it was some
key Chiefs contributor Week one of camp a couple of
years ago, a few years ago, and it was I
think it was Chris Jones. Chris Jones has been carted
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off at camp. I'm like, oh my god. And then
I see the video and he's sitting in the front
seat like talking to people, just like right, and I'm like, well,
this isn't carted off, but he was technically carted off,
all right, Speaking of the Chiefs, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh So, Mahomes has come out and said that he
once can't see to get back to that deep passing game.
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, I think that for me, I gotta be better
at throwing the ball down the field. I mean obviously
that we weren't good enough there. We've had success in
prior years, with these last few years we haven't done that.
And in order for our offense to be great, you
have to be able to complete those passes. It opens
up everything else. And so the teams are gonna challenge
us that the line of scrimmag If teams are gonna
challenge us throw the ball deep, we have to show
that we can do that. And if we can't do
that starts with me and giving guys chances. But if
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we can do that, I think it's gonna really open
up the office and make us a better team in general.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So the combination of him saying that an Xavier worth
these comments from a little bit ago, if they can't
do it this year, is it time to sound the
alarm is a little bit of a problem because it's
clear that they want to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Uh yeah, I think that's fair that if they can't,
So it's it's very interesting. So let me kind of
go through the timeline of the Mahomes. What we on.
First things, First call light show in the Mahomes eras right,
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so obviously twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,
it's just laser show throwing deep, you know all this stuff.
Twenty twenty one ends with overtime against the Bengals. Mahomes
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throws deep to Tyreek Kill, hits Tyreek in the hands
on third and long, and Tyreek pops it in the air.
Bengals pick it off. Bengals go to the Super Bowl.
Then Tyreek gets traded twenty twenty two with a Juju
Smith led receiving corps along with obviously Travis Kelce. Patrick,
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Mahomes throws for more yards in a single season than
any player in the history of the league. Is the
first player to win League MVP and Super Bowl MVP
in the same season since Kurt Warner and the Chiefs
win their second Super Bowl, scoring thirty eight points against
the league's number one defense in the Super Bowl. Okay,
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that year, they were a prolific offense, but it was
a lot of short stuff. It wasn't so much bombs
because they didn't have the personnel, but the yardage and
touchdowns and scoring was crazy, so nobody really paid attention
to it. Twenty twenty three, there is and obviously I
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don't know if I said this part. They trade Tyreek Hill,
you know, after twenty twenty one, and so the offense
changes in that regard twenty twenty three, the Chiefs have,
you know, their first bad two months of the Mahomes eer.
They lose five out of eight. I think it was
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they have to play on the road. The receivers, you know,
set records for drops. And then despite that, Mahomes plays
a perfect postseason, culminating in and back to back drives
in the Super Bowl at the end of regulation and
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then in overtime that are just surgical dink and dunk
shortses up the field resulting in the walk off touchdown.
Right then last year happens, and last year's a little
bit of everything. Beginning of the year, Demanse Mahomes was
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just off. If you remember, it was like five games
in a row where he threw a pick, but they
were they weren't unlucky picks. They weren't all like he
was trying to do too much. It was like where
were you throwing it? Like what did you see that?
You know? It was it was very un Mahomes like,
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but they won all the games anyway. They then they
went into last year saying, we're gonna have, you know,
a legitimate receiving corps again. They signed Hollywood Brown, they
really liked what Rashie Rice was doing. At the end
of the year, they draft Xavier Worthy and then by
week four, Hollywood Brown's been out. Hasn't played for him yet.
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She blows out his knee. And Xavier Worthy, God love him.
But at that time of the year, if you remember,
couldn't figure out where the out of bounds line was
on the field. They when they did go deep Mahomes
throw it, he would catch it, and they need to
have a foot out of bounds or not, you know,
not get his feet in whatever it is on. So
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you had Mahomes struggling for the first time in his
career of his own doing. You had the most injured
receiving corps in football where they have to bring Juju
back after he gets cut from the Patriots. You also
have a rotation at your left tackle position and the
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Chief's worst tackle play of the Mahomes era. And then
you also have on top of all of it, this
quest for a three peet and this odd season where
the defense kept as long as the offense didn't kill him,
and even when the offense did kill him, the defense
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kept him in every game. And then Mahomes was Mahomes late,
and it seemed like he was just like, you know what,
I don't want to I can't trust the offensive line,
Kelsey's getting older. Yeah, all of this and I'm just
gonna dink and dunk and I'm not gonna take any
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all of that. So it was a perfect storm of
a boring offense for a fifteen to one team, and
that the scene, by the way, to change immediately come
to the playoffs when they put up big numbers against
Houston and Buffalo and then all fell apart in the
Super Bowl. So all of those things, to me, had
to happen. The pressure of going for the three peat,
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the rotation at left tackle, the wide receiver, injuries, Mahomes,
and again, fair's fair. I would imagine of Mahomes' entire
career the off season where he was, maybe if we
were to rank him from most dialed into least, I
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would imagine the off season after the back to back championships. Nobody,
you know, the we everybody thought we were drawing dead,
couldn't win on the road, and then I clipped everyone.
And by the way, my best friend is now dating
the world's most famous woman and we're all partying together,
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you know what I mean. And maybe there was a
little feeling of nothing could go worse than last year
in twenty twenty three for us, and we won the
Super Bowl anyway, you know. So all of that to
me led to the offense that we saw. So I
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would think, and I would hope that none of these
things apply this year. So how dialed in will Mahomes be? Well?
How dialed in has he been in the few seasons
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that haven't ended in massive success?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Cut his hair.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Twenty he cut his hair, but also twenty eighteen, lost
in the playoffs. The next year, came back one league
MVP twenty twenty, got the craft kicked out of him
in the Super Bowl, came back and was awesome, and
then had you know, that bad half against Cincinnati and
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at the end of the AFC Championship game, and came
back in twenty twenty two and had one of the
greatest seasons any quarterbacks ever had. So I think Mahomes
will be dialed I think the Chiefs getting Josh Simmons
at pick thirty two as a potential franchise left tackle
is as big of an offseason move as any team made.
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Xavier Worthy came into his own at the end of
the year, Hollywood Brown is now healthy, they will at
some point have Rashie back, and it feels like Kelsey
should be a little sprier than last year. All of
the and I didn't even mentioned last year the Chiefs
were down to their fourth string running back so quickly
they had to bring back Kareem Hunt. So, you know,
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barring a spate of injuries or me being wrong about Simmons,
I say all that to say, yeah, if the offense
is mediocre and boring again, then yeah, I probably where
would I sound the alarm? Probably the coordinator, Okay, because
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I don't think anyone's gonna think like, oh, Mahome's not
good anymore, and so but I don't think that's gonna happen.
And I think that there was and it was such
a weird thing demands last year because it was it
would have been. The offense was not playing great, Mahomes
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was not playing his best. They had all these issues,
but they had the best record in the league every
single week of the season, So it would have kind
of felt weird to be like, let's change it up significantly,
you know what. I mean, what they were doing was working,
and they were peaking at the end of the year,
and then it all came crashing down.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
In the same Again, that was a big debate, like
them playing all those close games, it was like, what's
going on? But I mean that because you said that
you would put it on the coordinators if you had
to make an accountability pie on who was responsible, like
if the on the deep game.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, I to be clear,
I'm saying, if it happens again, I would put it
maybe on the coordinator because so last year, to me,
the single biggest culprit was actually the tackle play. So
that's because Mahomes just didn't get people and say, ah,
the receivers got hurt, and that's true, but I've seen
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Mahomes when he has time throwing bombs to Justin Watson
and DeMarcus Robinson. So I would say the biggest slice
goes to the tackle play, which is why they made
a big investment in that. In their biggest offseason signing
was Jalen Moore, and they drafted Josh Simmons in the
first round. The second biggest reason would be the Rashi
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rice injury and the other receiver injuries. The third biggest
to me would be Mahomes not being as sharp as
he wanted at the beginning of the year, And the
fourth biggest would be just kind of the building pressure
of the three peep. By the way, this is a
great example of what I'm talking about. Demonsey, tell the
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audience what Rappaport just said, the just and fields injuries.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He's got a dislocated toe. It's not fractured, and it's
also not as big toe, which is huge. I feel
like not being his big toe.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, I mean so yeah, I agree, and so they
So much of this panic would have been removed simply
by say road to cart instead of cart it off.
Nobody thinks when you say carted off, Nobody thinks you
have dislocated your fourth toe.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Nobody thinks that there is still some recovery, Like what
is that two weeks?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's like, I gotta be honest with you. I have
no idea. You could tell me he's back tomorrow. I
have no idea. I also I'll tell you something else.
I don't even know how you dislocate any toe other
than pinky toe. Well, pinky toe too, you know what
I mean. You feel like you would have to be
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one on the end, and I really don't know how.
So I don't know. Maybe he got his footstepped on
in a really weird way. I'm not sure, Okay. Whatever.
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Speaker 1 (27:47):
All right, demanse, Let's go to the team that beat
the Chiefs in the Super Bowl the Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Eagles here, guys, So Sirianni does not want to think
of this year as going for a repeat. Jalen Hurts
is also focus on the present. He won't even wear
his Super Bowl ring. He's saying that moment is behind us.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
On real quick, before we get to the other thing.
What's your take on Jalen Hurts? Not him refusing to
put on the Super Bowl r He.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Sounds like Dan O's or something in that in that quote.
But uh, but yeah, I mean he's put it on,
he's warned.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He says he hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He's he's warned. I mean, that's definitely he's put the
ring off.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
He's saying he hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Why not it's not I don't know, I mean, maybe
not wear it out, but like I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You know, of course, but like put it on once,
press a little, but until the stupid wings come out,
like I don't know, like whatever, all right, keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So he is now in a one sided debate with
Cam Newton. What's what's your take on this whole?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Okay, So when I say one sided, I mean he
hasn't chimed in, but Cam Cam has. So this is
kind of the back and forth of it and full
disco again. I really like Cam. Cam was one of
my me Betting on Cam was pre What's Right Show
betting on the Jags, where I just couldn't Every week
(29:14):
I was like, you know what line I like, I
think the Panthers are underrated or undervalue. I also think
Cam had the single greatest college season of all time,
and I think that fifteen and one year in the
Pros was one of the greatest individual accomplishments any players
ever had given his supporting cast. So Cam didn't have
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Jalen In's top ten quarterbacks and then people got mad
at them and Cam, you know, it's it's the old
It's another version of the Charles Barkley or a bus
driver or bus rider discussion is what we're having here.
And I do these two players, Cam Newton versus Jalen
(30:06):
Hurts debate fascinating just because it really reveals a lot
about what you value, because I don't think there is
definitively Demond's a wrong answer, right. But and what I
think is interesting is I am certain to my core
(30:34):
that Jalen Hurts could not have gotten that Panther's team
to fifteen wins in the Super Bowl. I don't think
that's unfair. I don't think that is me taking a shot.
I don't think there's ten quarterbacks twelve quarterbacks in NFL
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history that necessarily could have gotten that Panthers team to
have that season. With that said, I also am not
sure that Cam could have had this sustained success that
Jalen has had with the Eagles. And so obviously these
are all hypotheticals.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Similar players like. I mean, I feel like Cam Newton
is a little bit more of a of an athletic
freak than Yes, then Jalen hurts.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, I mean, he's just so huge and he was
faster now Jalen has. Cam didn't have a lot of
years of high level passing numbers, but neither does Jalen. Right,
It's really interesting. I also think I mean, again, the
(31:53):
year they went fifteen and one, his receivers were Ted
Gin Jericho Contrary, Devin Funtius and Corey Brown. Any won
league MVP, and obviously Greg Olsen was an awesome tight end,
but that you know, his receiving corps. I I think
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Cam looks at it as man put me on that
type of team and we're the greatest team ever. And
I understand that line of thinking. Again, Jalen's not commenting
on this, but if I were Jalen, I would be like, well,
(32:40):
I was on that team, and we were pretty good.
We won the Super Bowl in the NFC Championship game,
like one hundred to forty. We we won thirteen games
in a row to finish the year, if you exclude
the game that I got hurt, Like, what what more
(33:01):
do you did you want from us? From a team perspective?
And so I understand now I do do I think
that there has been a weird media I don't know
if over correction is the right word there. There has
been to me a there's been some patronizing, almost as
(33:30):
the word I would use in the discussion of Jalen.
So like I saw Orlovsky's video about Jalen Hurts. Now
Orlovsky's video, he is not calling Jalen Hurts the best
quarterback in football, to be clear, but his caption of it,
and this isn't like a newspaper where you know, you
(33:52):
don't write your own headlines. His' let me see if
I can find this ad on the and and I'm
trying to find sorry, I just clicked on it, And
do you guys still have my audio? Am I still
good that I just clicked on something? Okay? Good? Sorry?
Let me find the exact caption, because it was he
(34:14):
wasn't calling him the best quarterback in football, and but
the caption was really, don't care where you rank Hurts.
He sits at one. So if somebody was like, wait,
are you saying he's the best quarterback in football? Like that? Again,
if you watch the video, he's not saying that. But
there is to me a there has been an interesting, uh,
(34:45):
what's the right word, an interesting shift in how we
have talked about quarterbacks the last decade or so when
it comes to Jalen specifically, which is usually if people
(35:11):
think quarterbacks good, the team is amazing, then we lead
with the team as the driving force. And that's what
I think Cam is getting at. I think with Jalen there,
and I think understandably it's because some of his best
(35:35):
games ever have been these monster Super Bowl performances. There
has been a reclassification of well, maybe Jalen is way
better than his numbers suggest, and he simply is kind
(35:55):
of suppressing his own individual Accola aids four team success,
which I understand that line of thinking, but it does
kind of contradict his own teammate from the end of
(36:19):
last year. It's like, hey, we gotta get better in
the passing game, and it kind of goes against what
we saw when the Eagles were unbelievable in twenty twenty two.
They won the Super Bowl in twenty twenty four and
the one dip twenty twenty three was a year that
they really tried to open up the passing game more.
And so it is this is one of the fun
(36:41):
things to me about kind of sports debate, is this
isn't really defied, like it's not provable, at least in
the short term. And here and now, we don't know
what Jalen would look like if he played for the
twenty fifteen Panthers, and we don't know what Cam would
look like if he had played for the twenty twenty
(37:03):
four Eagles. I do think that there is an element
of even for a lot of Jalen's biggest supporters. If
you were just asking, be like, hey, who's the better quarterback,
Cam Newton or Jalen Hurts, I think most people are like, well,
(37:24):
Cam Newton and if the question is why or what's
your evidence? I honestly think the answer is he's just better.
And sometimes, like I know, that can feel like a
cop out, but it does feel real here and where
(37:47):
I will, and I know it might sound like I
don't know I should. I don't usually go back and
listen to the pods, but I might go back and
listen to this segment because there's a possibility I'm not
making a lot of sense, but I am. I uh,
I find this Tommish fascinating because it is to me
(38:10):
layered and nuanced, because, like I said, if you asked
me who was better Cam or Jalen, my snap answer
is like, obviously it's Cam. But with that said, if
you asked me, am I certain that Cam would be
(38:36):
better for this Eagles team, I don't know that I
would say yes. I think when you have a team
as stacked as the current Eagles, having a quarterback who
doesn't seem that focused on his individual accolades or success
could really play in your favor. And I think Jalen
(38:59):
deserves it's a huge credit.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For that push man. I don't sorry, well.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, I think that's probably a bad example because
Cam Cam was arguably the greatest short yardage player in
NFL history. Now what they wouldn't do a toush push.
They just did regular jump jump over the line or
quarterback sneak, you know what I mean. So it was
it was different. But I I am really interested because
(39:33):
one day in Jalen's career, he's not going you know,
you're not gonna have Saquon Ajdavante. You're not going to
have this amazing supporting cast. And there will be a
time where the Eagles are in a position where it's like, listen, man,
our defense isn't you know what we had hoped. We
(39:55):
don't have this great running game. If we're gonna win,
we're gonna need you to do it, you know, the
old school quarterback style, drop back thirty sometimes and throw
the ball. I think there's real question, like there is
a real question over whether or not he can do that,
and so we This is my ultimate endpoint on this,
(40:19):
and I am definitely at times guilty of this, which
is why probably I'm a little circular in my reasoning here.
We give guys a ton of credit for doing more
with less. The lebron dragging the seven Calves to the finals,
(40:44):
you know that type of thing like, look at you,
you had so little help, look at what you did.
We don't always do a good enough job of recognizing
just because you can do more with less doesn't mean
you can do the most with a ton. And Jalen
(41:06):
has proven he can do the most with this great situation,
and not everybody can do that, And so, and this
is something I'd be interested at some point in talking
to Cam about. I also really screwed up because Cam,
(41:28):
I hope he wouldn't get mad at me saying this.
I don't think he would. Cam reached out to me
a couple months ago about him and I doing something together.
Did I tell you this? Demanse is a very funny story.
So Cam and I briefly linked at the Super Bowl,
just like walking past each other. I walked over and
introduced myself. He knew me, and then said something incredibly
(41:54):
kind to me, like oka like shockingly kind about kind
of the way I broadcast and formulate arguments and about
his broadcasting. I don't want to share of that, but
it was. It was disarmingly kind, right. And then a
few months later he reached out to me. And what
(42:16):
I will say is Cam texts in that same Fontee
instagrams that like wing things weird font, Like if you
ever see the Cam instagram, it's like all the letters
are weird. He texts in that font, which can be
like I didn't have his number, but I saw the
text and I was like, this has to be Cam Newton.
(42:38):
Then I confirmed it was Cam Newton, that he wanted
he and I to do something together, and I was like,
one hundred would love to. Like he's in Atlanta hard,
you know, it's hard for me to get down to Atlanta,
but I thought I might be down Atlanta for Baseball
All Star. It's like absolutely. So there's two funny elements
(42:58):
of this story. First one is he's like, all right, great,
who does your scheduling? I'll have my person reach out
and we can set something up. I was like, Cam,
you're talking to the person who does my scheduling. I
am not quite as fancy as you, buddy, I don't
I don't have I don't have a scheduler one day
(43:21):
maybe but the person but uh but yeah, demons, look
in the doc real quick and look at Cam's Instagram
caption with Kevin Hart. See the wow. Yeah, so so
(43:42):
he so this is really and so this is embarrassing.
So I was like, I was like, let's I was like,
let's just talk. Uh. I don't know. I think I
said Saturday afternoon or whatever it was. It's like, all right, cool.
And about twenty minutes before we were supposed to talk
(44:05):
is when I got that car wreck and I text
him and I was like, hey, man, I just wrecked
my car. I sakers in the car, my dog's in
the car. That I was like, I can't. I was like,
let me, you know, let's let me hit you back.
And he's like, all right, no problem. And I have.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean, but I will still.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I will if anybody, if anybody, if anybody's watching this, uh,
send this to camp, tell him I apologize. It's a
bad job by me. All right, let's go. Uh, let's
go to the Dolphins for a minute.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Tua isn't exactly welcoming Tyreek back with open arms. After
Tyreek did that little thing at the end of twenty
twenty four, Terreek took some accountability and saying I need
to be better as a leader. I feel like he
probably should have said as a star player. But with
things already off to a bad start. How do you
see miamis season going.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I want to believe in Miami a little bit. I
think that they are. You know, I like the team
that used to be overvalued that now I think people
have gone too far in the other direction on I
tend to like those teams and Miami. I really like
the Jalen Ramsey, Minka Fitzpatrick trade. I think they got
(45:29):
better there, Tyreek, I think will be better this year.
So there, and I think that that last playoff spot
in the AFC should be pretty open. So there are
some reasons that I kind of was leaning. You know,
maybe maybe I'll believe in the Dolphins as a playoff
team this year, especially because speaking of the hot seats,
(45:50):
I think, you know, Mike McDaniel, the GM, I think
they know we got to start putting some pelts on
the wall, you know what I mean. We got to
get back on the right track. This is where you
might think I'm being unfair. So Toua's comments yesterday were basically, yeah,
(46:15):
they speaking for me and for the team. He wasn't
speaking for himself. He's like, you know, Tyreek, what Tyrek
did is not something that you just say my bad
about and you know we're all good like you gotta
you know, work on yourself. You gotta earn back. Trust
I'm paraphrasing, but he said all this publicly to the media.
(46:38):
So here's where I mean the exact quote is, when
you say something like that, you don't just come back
with my bad. You gotta work that relationship up. He's
working on himself. I didn't love that being a public
comment from Tua. So here's what I'll say, and demon's
(47:00):
that you can tell me no, That's why I thought
you were gonna say I'm being unfair, So just hear
me out on this. Okay. What Tyreek did was way
out of line. There is no excusing it. He was
a bad teammate, he was immature, it was you know,
it was bad. He's also Tyreek Hill. He's he's cut,
(47:29):
he's he's he's he's a receiver. He's a kind of
known at times knucklehead. He he has he he you know,
just this week, he was like, you know, I talked
with my dad, and you know, I thought it was
(47:49):
really important that this offseason I just do football and
family stuff. Meanwhile, you know, I'm pretty sure he's in
a legitimate beef with I show speed and like about
the racing and like, so Tyreek is just a superstar,
(48:10):
which dude, Yeah, like a bit of a dufis, a
bit of a dufis and got a lot of stuff. Okay,
it does not excuse what he said, but we're also
I don't think you're not getting in the Tyreek Kill
business for maturity, professionalism, and leadership. You're getting in the
(48:30):
Tyreek Kill business because he's freaking awesome. Right, Tua is
your quarterback, and Tua and Tyreek have to work for
the team to work. So I wouldn't care at all
if at the first day of training camp, Tua got
up in front of the team and was like, Tyreek,
(48:52):
you betrayed all of us. You have a lot of
you know, making up to do. That was you know,
red him the Riot act privately, but publicly, I think
the answer has to be either, uh yeah, listen, I
think Tyreek's addressed that any feelings I have on that
(49:14):
I'm gonna keep between me and Tyreek and me and
the team. But you know, we know that he and
I got to get back to what we were two
years ago for this team to have a chance. And
I believe we're gonna do that. You either do that
or and to it might not be comfortable with this
because I know he's like a deeply religious guy. You
just flat lie. Oh no, Tyreek, Tyreek, We're all good.
(49:36):
We knew it was emotional right after the season. Nobody cared.
I think those are your two best options rather than
telling the media. No. Everyone was really bothered by that,
and actually it we're still working on it because then
it continues like I'm gonna need an update on that,
you know what I mean. And so again, Tyreek to
(50:00):
in a terrible position.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
And throughout that like it seemed like he he seemed
pretty nervous, I don't want to say nervous, but constantly
walking back stuff and like thinking super hard about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
He was saying, Oh, you're talking about Tyreek at the
interview year.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
No, I'm talking about two in the in the pressor.
I mean I felt like he was sweaty.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
But yeah, well, I mean he was Miami right off
practice field. But yes, I agree, I agree with you
on that regard. But I also thought Tyreek when he
gave this initial thing right after the playoffass didn't exactly
know what he was trying to say, and then was like, ah,
I'm out. I just think that there is sometimes when
(50:40):
you are the face of an organization and you get
put in bad spots by people and publicly, you got
to just present a united front. That's the you know,
That's all that I'm or you can go Peyton Manning
(51:02):
about was it Mike vander jack the kicker? So this
you'll love this demonse because you have no recollection of
this whatsoever. Mike Vanderjat, who's a pretty good kicker for
the Colts and the Aughts, went on some radio show
after another Colts playoff loss and took shots at Peyton
(51:24):
the kicker, and then yeah, the kicker. And then Peyton
was asked about it at the Pro Bowl, like during
a sideline interview, and Peyton's like, yeah, I mean, I
really didn't expect that I was gonna get asked about
our idiot kicker getting all liquored up and popping off
(51:46):
at the mouth on the radio. I'll deal with that
if he's still a teammate in the future, Like this
guy's gone, this guy's gone, I'm not dealing with him.
I have no interest in him. And so that that's
the other that's the other option. The other option is
(52:09):
if Tua would have been like, yeah, I don't think
it's gonna be a problem because I don't think Tyryk's
gonna be on the team. Like that's the nuclear option.
But so but if he's going to be on the team,
then you gotta you gotta sometimes clean up somebody else's mess.
That's the only even if it's not fair that.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Titled with the first topic, it sounds like the Chiefs
and Tyreek Hill kind of miss each other.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Well, I told you I I told you guys a
year ago that I'm very excited for Tyreek Hill wearing
a Chiefs uniform in twenty twenty six because that's I
think going to happen. It's not gonna happen this year,
but that I think is going to happen. So you're
(52:54):
pretty likely maybe that's enough to get Kelsey to come
back for one more year. A little final tie Rea
bring band right often the sunset together. Yeah, I think
that's absolutely on the board. All right, this is a
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(54:03):
let's jump to the Cowboys and Micah. Actually, no, we're
gonna do the Von Miller Jayden Daniels thing. Let's do
that here, the thing we were supposed to do here.
We're just gonna have to go fast through these because
I actually have a meeting with our Blue Duck boss,
Gabe good One. He's in New York City. Oh yes, sir,
see I'm seeing Gabe for the first time in a while,
(54:25):
so we'll we'll speed through these.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Okay, So Commander's new edition. Von Miller was singing some
high praises to his new quarterback, Jade and Daniels. We're
gonna get out of the Coote war here, he said, you
can't leave Josh Allen to just go anywhere. Josh Allen
was MVP of the league last year. I feel like
Jayden Daniels has MVP potential as well. My question to
you is what's more likely for Jaden a sophomore slump
or an MVP caliber season.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I mean, I mean, this is unfair my my strut.
The more likely is a bit of a sophomore slump.
I'm I mean that more likely is similar to what
CJ went through last year, where you have this unbelievable
rookie year. Some people are like, You're gonna go win
(55:09):
league MVP and instead you kind of taper or maybe
slightly regressed, but people still feel great about you. That's
more likely now. Listen, Mahomes won MVP a second year
as a starter. Lamar one MVP his second years. No,
Mahomes won MVP his first year as a starter second
year in the league. Lamar won MVP his first year,
(55:31):
starting all you know, the full season. Burrow went to
the Super Bowl a second year as a starter. Russell
Wilson won the Super Bowl second year as a starter,
you know. So it certainly can be done. But I
think Washington Washington had too many unbelievable wins last year
(55:55):
for me to think they're gonna be quite as good
this year. There were too many. A part of what
made Jaden great last year was how how amazing he
was in the clutch and how great they were in
those close games, you know, not just the Hail Mary,
other stuff, and usually that corrects a bit. I also
worry about their defensive fair amount, and the McLaurin hold
(56:18):
out for the time being is concerning. So it wouldn't be.
It's not like it's off the board that Jaden wins
League MVP, but I would I wouldn't have him. I
think it's more likely that he's slightly worse than he
was last year than it is that he's better.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
I mean, because he's better super Bowl, well.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
The team is super Bowl, but better for you know,
MVP can just be if they win twelve games and
you know he puts up these crazy numbers. Yeah, the
I obviously, I think Mahomes this is a great bet
for MVP. I I don't know. I mean, Mahomes at
(57:10):
seven to one feels like you should just bet that
every year. I mean, that's what cousin Sal talks about,
and he's right, like, if you just bet Mahomes when
he at seven to one every year, he's gonna win
more than one and seven. I wonder is there like
a dark horse MVP that I think is realistic. Baker's
(57:36):
not a bad one. Baker twenty five to one, Thanks
for our friends at DraftKings. Baker. When I think the
Bucks could be good, Baker at twenty five to one
is not a bad one. I don't think Herbert's gonna
have the numbers, uh. I don't think the Bengals are
gonna be good enough. Josh and Lamar obvious, I don't
(57:59):
think the Bears are gonn be You really got to
win like twelve games. I don't know that. I I'd
love to pick Caleb, but I think that's probably a
bridge too far. Kah, Josh and Lamar are good bets
every year. Where's my sa?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
I think that's a little crazy. They did just say Stafford,
I think he's like twenty five to one or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Thirty five to one, thirtyty five to one. That I
like that one. What's crazy?
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Well, you were like Caleb Williams first year in the NFL.
You're like, he's going to go to the super Bowl
his second year. MVP is a bridge too far?
Speaker 1 (58:34):
I think, Well, first of all, it's two different things,
I mean, individual success, and then is it one of
them harder? Well, yes, and no. Here's the thing I my.
You know, I had a lot of misses related to
the Bears last year, but the one that didn't get
(58:56):
any attention was I drastically overrated their defense and they
didn't spend resources getting the defense better this year. And
so because of that, I just think it's gonna be
hard for them to have, you know, a gaudy record
this year, even if Caleb is excellent. I so, I
(59:18):
do think Caleb will one day win a league MVP.
I don't think, you know, he wouldn't be my bet
this year. Stafford at thirty five to one is a
fun one. I think that's pretty fair value. All right,
let's go to Micah and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
So Micah showed up to camp without a new deal,
but he's still practicing. What a solid guy man. But
Tray Hendrickson is in Florida while he waits to get
his deal finalized or an extension. So last year we
saw Brad and Ayuk hold in and we saw that win.
What do you think the best way to go about
this these types of situations is.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
I think hold In is probably the smartest. And I
don't know that Micah is doing that because Mike is practicing,
but he had back back tightness, you know. I think
he's kind of taking it day by day. The new
CBA rules with the fifty thousand dollars a day fine
is just brutal. I think personally, I think Micah is
(01:00:23):
handling this really really well. Yeah, I think Jerry is
handling it, I think poorly. I think Micah had whoever's
giving Micah advice on the messaging and how he's doing this,
and like, I'm here for my teammates, I want to
be a leader. All this stuff. I think it's really smart,
(01:00:43):
and I think some of the way the Cowboys you know,
have done this is just so silly. They're obviously like
we all know TJ. Watt just got one hundred and
eight million guaranteed forty one million a year. So Micah
is going to get one hundred and ten million garant
and forty two million a year. We all know it.
(01:01:04):
And the fact that there have been more than a
dozen guys from Micah's draft class to get contract extensions
and he's not one of them is just mortifying. Here's
the other thing for the Cowboys that I just think
is indicative. And I tried to explain this on TV yesterday,
but I did a kind of ham fisted job about it.
And it's the way the hold on your mom just
(01:01:28):
walked in here, what's up? Ed Okay, well, okay, I'll
see it. I love you baby. The he let Deanna
come in one time to say goodbye to camp, but
now your mom is just like just peering in. Um
but uh um. So I tried to explain this on
(01:01:51):
the show yesterday and I didn't do a very good
job of it. So Trayvon Diggs, the Cowboys just clawed
back half a million dollars from him for not working
out with the team enough in the offseason, and he's
upset about it and It's truly just a matter of perspective.
(01:02:17):
So the way most contracts work demanse. Let's just say
you make you know ANFL player, you make ten million
dollars a year they might put in, and you get
an extra five hundred thousand dollars if you complete the
full off season workout program, like Lamar has given up
(01:02:40):
nearly a million dollars in workout bonuses because he's not
doing like the full off season over the last few
years with Baltimore. So that's so most teams pay you
a ten million, give you an extra five hundred thousand
for working out. The Cowboys structure these as we're paying
(01:03:00):
you ten point five million, but if you don't work out,
we're taking the five hundred thousand back. Those are effectively
demands identical results. I work out all off season with you,
I get ten and a half million. I don't work
out all off season with you, I get ten million.
(01:03:22):
But they psychologically feel differently. Do you understand what I
mean as opposed to I am opting against earning this
bonus rather than your taking from me. And so Trayvon's
pissed and this is like an all This isn't just
conjecture that psychologically it lands differently. It's proven like there's
(01:03:46):
I'm gonna give the This is one of the things
I think I screwed up on the TV show yesterday.
But this is a real proven study, which is if
you walk up to someone on the street, demonse, and
you hand them fifty dollars and then and say that's yours,
and then say but if you want you hand it
(01:04:10):
to them they put in their pocket. Would you like
to flip a coin for fifty dollars meaning you get
it right now, you get one hundred, you get it wrong,
you gotta give me that back. The vast majority of
people say no, no, no, no, I'll take the fifthy
you just gave me. But if you walk up to
people on the street and say, hey, what would you
(01:04:33):
rather do right now? Flip a coin and if you win,
I give you one hundred bucks or I'll just give
you fifty dollars, the vast majority of people will flip
the coin. Even though those are identical things. Yeah, because
a weird thing happens once it's in your pocket, you
(01:04:54):
know what I So, even though those are the exact
same offer, just the sequence of when you get the
money changes how you view it and the Cowboys that's,
in my opinion, what they screwed up with Trayvon. All right,
there's a lot of other stuff that we go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Sorry, no, no, no, go ahead. It was a small D two.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I was gonna say. There's a lot of other stuff
we were going to get to today, including whether or
not cam Ward is the least talked about number one
overall pick ever. And my answer that question is yes,
because we're actually going to skip that topic as well.
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(01:05:57):
time Summer League record hold for three pointers. And that's
Cole Swider. So this is is this in part because
he's spent a year at Syracuse, sure, but it's also
a very interesting story. He's undrafted in twenty twenty two,
and here's what he's done. Played for the Lakers, then
played for the South Bay Lakers, then played for the Heat,
(01:06:19):
then played for the suit Fall Sky Force, then played
for the Pistons, then played for the Motor City Crews.
Those are their G League teams. Then played for the
South Bay Lakers again, then played for the Raptors. This
summer was on the Lakers Summer League team. And what
you know in Summer League hit six threes, four threes,
four threes, two threes, two threes for a total of
(01:06:41):
eighteen threes this year at Summer League. He's the all
time Summer League leader in three pointers. And I just
wonder if there might be a bad team somewhere that's like,
you know what, let's give this twenty six year old
six foot eight inch three point shooter or a try
(01:07:03):
and see if he can turn into something. Uh. He
obviously has gotten a bunch of tries, as evidence by
the fact that he was undrafted four years ago and
is still bouncing around. He has played a grand total
in his career of thirty five NBA games across three years.
But I.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's dedication.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
It's dedication. He just wants, you know, and he doesn't
want to go to Europe, Like a lot of those
guys would just be like, all right, I'm just gonna
be playing Europe. He wants to make the NBA. I
thought he handled himself well in Summer League, and size
and shooting are at such a premium. Maybe he gets
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a shot somewhere. I don't think it'll be with the Lakers,
but maybe he gets a shot somewhere. That is a
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Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
On, Edwards says, simple thought, if the Eagles could win
by throwing the ball, they will win by throwing the ball.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I don't Here's the thing. I understand that argument, but
they it's not like they struggled last year winning so
I would agree with you if they were. You know,
they had one of the greatest running seasons in the
history of the league last year. So it's just kind
of an unfair in my opinion, way to look at it.
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And so I don't know. I I my gut says
they are limited throwing the ball, but it's just not
fair to kill him for it because they won the
Super Bowl doing and it's not like they won the
Super Bowl thirteen to ten. They were the offense was
absolutely annihilating people. All right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Next, just Man's ass. Do you think he'll could get
traded at the deadline of Miami is bad? He's excited
about it too.
Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I think it's unlikely but possible. Cap wise, they could
trade him and it doesn't kill him. So I think
it is unlikely, but it is possible. Let's get to
the other two ones quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
U Scott says what rookie quarterback is the best this season?
And does JJ count?
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I would count JJ because he missed the entirety of
last year, and JJ would be my pick, Like you
know what I mean. I would think JJ will have
the best rookie season of it. But I didn't love
this rookie quarterback class. But I think JJ will have
the best year, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Last Cameron asked Nick, if Gino Smith is as good
as you think he is, then why did Seattle get
rid of him? Is John Schneider just a moron?
Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I don't think John Schneider is a moron, but I
think Seattle got worse at quarterback. I just don't think
Samnold's better than Geno Smith. I thought that was a
big mistake. They made this offseason flat like all right,
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All right?
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
See you guys. Bye,
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it is. And it's also one hundred best podcasts of
all time season. More on that in a moment, but
my takeaway was Deman' say you need to do more.
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I was gonna say.
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I know, but I also think it's possible. They're like, sorry,
here's what we need to do today. We need to
make sure this goes viral. You need to fall in
the water. All right, let's get in to the top
one hundred podcasts quickly. Because I'm I'm joking about us
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being snubbed. I am not joking about two kind of
indefensible snubs. And now, obviously there has been reporting and
it's been announced that Fox Sports, my primary employer, is
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partnering with Barstool Sports. I haven't really commented much on that.
It's not really my business and It's also I think
whenever there's new shows, it means, you know, shows that
were there are no longer there. People lose their jobs,
and so it's a you know, it's always a weird spot.
Even if you're excited for what something can be that
you know people there is some disappointment, and obviously real
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life is affected. So I kind of stayed out of
all of that. I am only even acknowledging it now
because I think people might be like, oh, all of
a sudden, you know, Fox says the old barstool and
Nick is gonna talk up pardon my take. That's not
what's happening here. I'm just going to be totally fair, honest,
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and I think accurate here. Doing the top one hundred
podcasts of all time, having sports podcasts on there and
not having pardon my take on there means invalidates the list.
You want to do the ten best podcasts of all time,
you can kind of leave out whoever you want because
there's only ten. You want to do the twenty five
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best podcasts of all time and only include one sports podcast,
then give it to Bill Simmons and then keep it moving.
So be it. You're gonna have one hundred podcasts on
a list and not have pardon my take on there.
It means your list is not to be taken seriously
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and then and again because I must just be fair
and honest. Even though I have listened to zero of
these episodes, I am you know, you get me in
more of a private setting and ask me, hey, net
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positive or negative on the Republic as a whole, this
podcast existing, what do you think? I'd probably have some
spicy takes With all that said, Joe Rogan's podcast not
making the top hundred podcasts ever when it's maybe the
single most successful podcast ever is lunacy and it makes
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people think your list is just And it's Time Magazine.
I know Time Magazine isn't what it once was, but
the brand is still strong. It's still Time Magazine and not.
It would be as if you did the top hundred
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basketball players ever and you leave off Wilt. It's like, well,
anybody that could that would get votes for if you
were did the best podcast ever, pardon my take would
get a couple votes Joe Rogan's podcast, but we get
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more than a couple votes. And if you're gonna make
a list and it's not the best podcast ever. It's
the one hundred best podcasts ever, and you found room.
And by the way, credit to him because it is
real journalism. You know, my uh what I like? What
do I call him? Not enemy?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
What do I call Pablo rival? My sworn rival. No,
I won't elevate him to nemesis. But my credit to
Pablo because it's real journalism. It's affected some real change
of the NFLPA and it feels like his his podcast
got in right under the wire. Good for them, seriously,
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And I mean that's sincerely. And if you want to
say Lebotard Show is ineligible because it's a radio show
and not podcast only, fine, but you cannot have a
top one hundred podcast list and not include pardon my take,
and not include Joe Rogan Show. And I say that,
and I'm kind of glad it's those two shows I'm
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focusing on because one of those shows and pardon my take,
I've been on multiple times. I like both those guys
I think is awesome. The other show and Joe Rogan
Show I've never listened to. I've never been on, I
have no connection to. And like I said, I'm not
really sure it's a net positive for the media ecosystem.
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But my opinion, I still if I were to list
one hundred grade, I think there's some what's a good
sports example of this? I said Wilt before. Oh yeah,
so no, that's not fair either. You've got to I'm
not even gonna use any real examples because it gets
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to Harry. You've got to include guys even if you
don't like what they say, or even if you don't
like what they represent, so to speak. If you're just
trying to say the one hundred greatest podcasts ever, you
can't do the fifty greatest running backs in the history
of the NFL and leave off O. J. Simpson. And again,
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I'm not comparing anyone on this list to an alleged
double murderer. But right, Aaron Rodgers, that's a better example.
Top Yeah, that's an even better example. You can't again,
if you want to do a top five and be like, eh,
Aaron annoys me tygos to Dan Marino, fine, like whatever,
(07:53):
like the but you just lose you just totally lose
any credibility there. So uh, that just my two cents.
I obviously did not actually expect us to make the podcast,
but if they had seen that really heartfelt moment between
me and Deanna sending off to camp. Maybe we'd have
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I've not written her yet.
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Oh yeah, your mom said to me. Your mom said
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don't don't. You don't have to just send it regular.
It'll get there. I mean you, if you do express it,
then just do the regular like nine dollars two day express,
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the red envelope one, not the overnight stamp thirty dollars,
saying the way you send me cards, sometimes it feels
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need to write Deanna. And I said to her, I'm
said to Jerk. I was like, you haven't written her yet,
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
All that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
All right, we have semi breaking news that is actually
going to maybe not be breaking news, but let's get
into it. Go ahead, Deman.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Day, So as we know camp's been going on for
a few days. We might already have a pretty bad
injury in Justin Fields. He was carted off with a
lower leg injury. And this is probably non contact. So
here's the same question.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So don't do the probably and also please take that
breaking off the screen because and I should have given
the prusers the heads up. So now Aaron Glenn has
come out and said it's a toe, and then the
further reporting is was sitting in the cart and this
(09:55):
is a problem every training camp, and I beg and again,
maybe it's toe. Injuries can be significant. I'm not acting
like we know Justin Field is going to be fine.
I am saying this. NFL beat writers, we need precise language.
(10:16):
We need the difference between carted off and rode a
cart off. You follow me. Carted off implies like in
a football game in the regular season, when a guy
suffers something horrific, they bring out the cart. He's either
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prone to a board or if it's lower leg, you know,
leaning back, towel on his head, air cast something, you know, immobilized.
Ride a cart means ooh ah, I don't want to
walk all the way back there? Can I hop on
this golf cart next to the PR guy. And so
it's the further details were to Fields was sitting in
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the front seat of the cart. They got to the facility,
he limped off. Now again, if you're a Jets fan,
it's still not good news. I'm not acting. I'm not
saying it is. But everybody knows carted off connotates oh
my god, season over road, A cart off is very different.
(11:22):
So we just need to be a little more precise
with our language on it. I will say this, if
he were and obviously you hope he's not. If he
were demons like truly injured, that to me is an
interesting Kirk Cousins destination. Like we've all forgotten that Kirk
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Cousins just sitting out there available. Yeah, Like I think
Kirk Cousins is gonna be somebody's starting quarterback this year. Now,
the Jets might be like, we're not gonna go from
one old guy coming off with achilles to another old
guy coming off achilles. I understand, but it is the Jats,
and and I think that the you know, obviously Kirk
(12:08):
would bring none of the other stuff, the baggage that
Aaron brought. But again, PSA and and put this on
the put this on our social feeds. Training can't beat reporters.
We need to delineate between being carted off and writing
(12:32):
a cart off. Carted off is you are You couldn't
walk off if you wanted to, and we're terrified of
what has happened. Writing a card off can be a
whole litany of possibilities, also including I don't really want
(12:54):
to walk so again. I because this happened to me
once with who was it. I think it was Chris Jones.
I know, not with me personally, but it was some
key Chiefs contributor Week one of camp a couple of
years ago, a few years ago, and it was I
think it was Chris Jones. Chris Jones has been carted
(13:17):
off at camp. I'm like, oh my god. And then
I see the video and he's sitting in the front
seat like talking to people, just like right, and I'm like, well,
this isn't carted off, but he was technically carted off,
all right, Speaking of the Chiefs, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh So, Mahomes has come out and said that he
once can't see to get back to that deep passing game.
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, I think that for me, I gotta be better
at throwing the ball down the field. I mean obviously
that we weren't good enough there. We've had success in
prior years, with these last few years we haven't done that.
And in order for our offense to be great, you
have to be able to complete those passes. It opens
up everything else. And so the teams are gonna challenge
us that the line of scrimmag If teams are gonna
challenge us throw the ball deep, we have to show
that we can do that. And if we can't do
that starts with me and giving guys chances. But if
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we can do that, I think it's gonna really open
up the office and make us a better team in general.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So the combination of him saying that an Xavier worth
these comments from a little bit ago, if they can't
do it this year, is it time to sound the
alarm is a little bit of a problem because it's
clear that they want to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Uh yeah, I think that's fair that if they can't,
So it's it's very interesting. So let me kind of
go through the timeline of the Mahomes. What we on.
First things, First call light show in the Mahomes eras right,
(14:38):
so obviously twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,
it's just laser show throwing deep, you know all this stuff.
Twenty twenty one ends with overtime against the Bengals. Mahomes
(15:01):
throws deep to Tyreek Kill, hits Tyreek in the hands
on third and long, and Tyreek pops it in the air.
Bengals pick it off. Bengals go to the Super Bowl.
Then Tyreek gets traded twenty twenty two with a Juju
Smith led receiving corps along with obviously Travis Kelce. Patrick,
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Mahomes throws for more yards in a single season than
any player in the history of the league. Is the
first player to win League MVP and Super Bowl MVP
in the same season since Kurt Warner and the Chiefs
win their second Super Bowl, scoring thirty eight points against
the league's number one defense in the Super Bowl. Okay,
(15:47):
that year, they were a prolific offense, but it was
a lot of short stuff. It wasn't so much bombs
because they didn't have the personnel, but the yardage and
touchdowns and scoring was crazy, so nobody really paid attention
to it. Twenty twenty three, there is and obviously I
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don't know if I said this part. They trade Tyreek Hill,
you know, after twenty twenty one, and so the offense
changes in that regard twenty twenty three, the Chiefs have,
you know, their first bad two months of the Mahomes eer.
They lose five out of eight. I think it was
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they have to play on the road. The receivers, you know,
set records for drops. And then despite that, Mahomes plays
a perfect postseason, culminating in and back to back drives
in the Super Bowl at the end of regulation and
(16:54):
then in overtime that are just surgical dink and dunk
shortses up the field resulting in the walk off touchdown.
Right then last year happens, and last year's a little
bit of everything. Beginning of the year, Demanse Mahomes was
(17:15):
just off. If you remember, it was like five games
in a row where he threw a pick, but they
were they weren't unlucky picks. They weren't all like he
was trying to do too much. It was like where
were you throwing it? Like what did you see that?
You know? It was it was very un Mahomes like,
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but they won all the games anyway. They then they
went into last year saying, we're gonna have, you know,
a legitimate receiving corps again. They signed Hollywood Brown, they
really liked what Rashie Rice was doing. At the end
of the year, they draft Xavier Worthy and then by
week four, Hollywood Brown's been out. Hasn't played for him yet.
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She blows out his knee. And Xavier Worthy, God love him.
But at that time of the year, if you remember,
couldn't figure out where the out of bounds line was
on the field. They when they did go deep Mahomes
throw it, he would catch it, and they need to
have a foot out of bounds or not, you know,
not get his feet in whatever it is on. So
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you had Mahomes struggling for the first time in his
career of his own doing. You had the most injured
receiving corps in football where they have to bring Juju
back after he gets cut from the Patriots. You also
have a rotation at your left tackle position and the
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Chief's worst tackle play of the Mahomes era. And then
you also have on top of all of it, this
quest for a three peet and this odd season where
the defense kept as long as the offense didn't kill him,
and even when the offense did kill him, the defense
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kept him in every game. And then Mahomes was Mahomes late,
and it seemed like he was just like, you know what,
I don't want to I can't trust the offensive line,
Kelsey's getting older. Yeah, all of this and I'm just
gonna dink and dunk and I'm not gonna take any
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all of that. So it was a perfect storm of
a boring offense for a fifteen to one team, and
that the scene, by the way, to change immediately come
to the playoffs when they put up big numbers against
Houston and Buffalo and then all fell apart in the
Super Bowl. So all of those things, to me, had
to happen. The pressure of going for the three peat,
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the rotation at left tackle, the wide receiver, injuries, Mahomes,
and again, fair's fair. I would imagine of Mahomes' entire
career the off season where he was, maybe if we
were to rank him from most dialed into least, I
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would imagine the off season after the back to back championships. Nobody,
you know, the we everybody thought we were drawing dead,
couldn't win on the road, and then I clipped everyone.
And by the way, my best friend is now dating
the world's most famous woman and we're all partying together,
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you know what I mean. And maybe there was a
little feeling of nothing could go worse than last year
in twenty twenty three for us, and we won the
Super Bowl anyway, you know. So all of that to
me led to the offense that we saw. So I
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would think, and I would hope that none of these
things apply this year. So how dialed in will Mahomes be? Well?
How dialed in has he been in the few seasons
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that haven't ended in massive success?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Cut his hair.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Twenty he cut his hair, but also twenty eighteen, lost
in the playoffs. The next year, came back one league
MVP twenty twenty, got the craft kicked out of him
in the Super Bowl, came back and was awesome, and
then had you know, that bad half against Cincinnati and
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at the end of the AFC Championship game, and came
back in twenty twenty two and had one of the
greatest seasons any quarterbacks ever had. So I think Mahomes
will be dialed I think the Chiefs getting Josh Simmons
at pick thirty two as a potential franchise left tackle
is as big of an offseason move as any team made.
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Xavier Worthy came into his own at the end of
the year, Hollywood Brown is now healthy, they will at
some point have Rashie back, and it feels like Kelsey
should be a little sprier than last year. All of
the and I didn't even mentioned last year the Chiefs
were down to their fourth string running back so quickly
they had to bring back Kareem Hunt. So, you know,
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barring a spate of injuries or me being wrong about Simmons,
I say all that to say, yeah, if the offense
is mediocre and boring again, then yeah, I probably where
would I sound the alarm? Probably the coordinator, Okay, because
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I don't think anyone's gonna think like, oh, Mahome's not
good anymore, and so but I don't think that's gonna happen.
And I think that there was and it was such
a weird thing demands last year because it was it
would have been. The offense was not playing great, Mahomes
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was not playing his best. They had all these issues,
but they had the best record in the league every
single week of the season, So it would have kind
of felt weird to be like, let's change it up significantly,
you know what. I mean, what they were doing was working,
and they were peaking at the end of the year,
and then it all came crashing down.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
In the same Again, that was a big debate, like
them playing all those close games, it was like, what's
going on? But I mean that because you said that
you would put it on the coordinators if you had
to make an accountability pie on who was responsible, like
if the on the deep game.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, I to be clear,
I'm saying, if it happens again, I would put it
maybe on the coordinator because so last year, to me,
the single biggest culprit was actually the tackle play. So
that's because Mahomes just didn't get people and say, ah,
the receivers got hurt, and that's true, but I've seen
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Mahomes when he has time throwing bombs to Justin Watson
and DeMarcus Robinson. So I would say the biggest slice
goes to the tackle play, which is why they made
a big investment in that. In their biggest offseason signing
was Jalen Moore, and they drafted Josh Simmons in the
first round. The second biggest reason would be the Rashi
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rice injury and the other receiver injuries. The third biggest
to me would be Mahomes not being as sharp as
he wanted at the beginning of the year, And the
fourth biggest would be just kind of the building pressure
of the three peep. By the way, this is a
great example of what I'm talking about. Demonsey, tell the
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audience what Rappaport just said, the just and fields injuries.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He's got a dislocated toe. It's not fractured, and it's
also not as big toe, which is huge. I feel
like not being his big toe.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, I mean so yeah, I agree, and so they
So much of this panic would have been removed simply
by say road to cart instead of cart it off.
Nobody thinks when you say carted off, Nobody thinks you
have dislocated your fourth toe.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Nobody thinks that there is still some recovery, Like what
is that two weeks?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's like, I gotta be honest with you. I have
no idea. You could tell me he's back tomorrow. I
have no idea. I also I'll tell you something else.
I don't even know how you dislocate any toe other
than pinky toe. Well, pinky toe too, you know what
I mean. You feel like you would have to be
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one on the end, and I really don't know how.
So I don't know. Maybe he got his footstepped on
in a really weird way. I'm not sure, Okay. Whatever.
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Speaker 1 (27:47):
All right, demanse, Let's go to the team that beat
the Chiefs in the Super Bowl the Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Eagles here, guys, So Sirianni does not want to think
of this year as going for a repeat. Jalen Hurts
is also focus on the present. He won't even wear
his Super Bowl ring. He's saying that moment is behind us.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
On real quick, before we get to the other thing.
What's your take on Jalen Hurts? Not him refusing to
put on the Super Bowl r He.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Sounds like Dan O's or something in that in that quote.
But uh, but yeah, I mean he's put it on,
he's warned.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
He says he hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
He's he's warned. I mean, that's definitely he's put the
ring off.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
He's saying he hasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Why not it's not I don't know, I mean, maybe
not wear it out, but like I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You know, of course, but like put it on once,
press a little, but until the stupid wings come out,
like I don't know, like whatever, all right, keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So he is now in a one sided debate with
Cam Newton. What's what's your take on this whole?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Okay, So when I say one sided, I mean he
hasn't chimed in, but Cam Cam has. So this is
kind of the back and forth of it and full
disco again. I really like Cam. Cam was one of
my me Betting on Cam was pre What's Right Show
betting on the Jags, where I just couldn't Every week
(29:14):
I was like, you know what line I like, I
think the Panthers are underrated or undervalue. I also think
Cam had the single greatest college season of all time,
and I think that fifteen and one year in the
Pros was one of the greatest individual accomplishments any players
ever had given his supporting cast. So Cam didn't have
(29:41):
Jalen In's top ten quarterbacks and then people got mad
at them and Cam, you know, it's it's the old
It's another version of the Charles Barkley or a bus
driver or bus rider discussion is what we're having here.
And I do these two players, Cam Newton versus Jalen
(30:06):
Hurts debate fascinating just because it really reveals a lot
about what you value, because I don't think there is
definitively Demond's a wrong answer, right. But and what I
think is interesting is I am certain to my core
(30:34):
that Jalen Hurts could not have gotten that Panther's team
to fifteen wins in the Super Bowl. I don't think
that's unfair. I don't think that is me taking a shot.
I don't think there's ten quarterbacks twelve quarterbacks in NFL
(30:57):
history that necessarily could have gotten that Panthers team to
have that season. With that said, I also am not
sure that Cam could have had this sustained success that
Jalen has had with the Eagles. And so obviously these
are all hypotheticals.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Similar players like. I mean, I feel like Cam Newton
is a little bit more of a of an athletic
freak than Yes, then Jalen hurts.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, I mean, he's just so huge and he was
faster now Jalen has. Cam didn't have a lot of
years of high level passing numbers, but neither does Jalen. Right,
It's really interesting. I also think I mean, again, the
(31:53):
year they went fifteen and one, his receivers were Ted
Gin Jericho Contrary, Devin Funtius and Corey Brown. Any won
league MVP, and obviously Greg Olsen was an awesome tight end,
but that you know, his receiving corps. I I think
(32:17):
Cam looks at it as man put me on that
type of team and we're the greatest team ever. And
I understand that line of thinking. Again, Jalen's not commenting
on this, but if I were Jalen, I would be like, well,
(32:40):
I was on that team, and we were pretty good.
We won the Super Bowl in the NFC Championship game,
like one hundred to forty. We we won thirteen games
in a row to finish the year, if you exclude
the game that I got hurt, Like, what what more
(33:01):
do you did you want from us? From a team perspective?
And so I understand now I do do I think
that there has been a weird media I don't know
if over correction is the right word there. There has
been to me a there's been some patronizing, almost as
(33:30):
the word I would use in the discussion of Jalen.
So like I saw Orlovsky's video about Jalen Hurts. Now
Orlovsky's video, he is not calling Jalen Hurts the best
quarterback in football, to be clear, but his caption of it,
and this isn't like a newspaper where you know, you
(33:52):
don't write your own headlines. His' let me see if
I can find this ad on the and and I'm
trying to find sorry, I just clicked on it, And
do you guys still have my audio? Am I still
good that I just clicked on something? Okay? Good? Sorry?
Let me find the exact caption, because it was he
(34:14):
wasn't calling him the best quarterback in football, and but
the caption was really, don't care where you rank Hurts.
He sits at one. So if somebody was like, wait,
are you saying he's the best quarterback in football? Like that? Again,
if you watch the video, he's not saying that. But
there is to me a there has been an interesting, uh,
(34:45):
what's the right word, an interesting shift in how we
have talked about quarterbacks the last decade or so when
it comes to Jalen specifically, which is usually if people
(35:11):
think quarterbacks good, the team is amazing, then we lead
with the team as the driving force. And that's what
I think Cam is getting at. I think with Jalen there,
and I think understandably it's because some of his best
(35:35):
games ever have been these monster Super Bowl performances. There
has been a reclassification of well, maybe Jalen is way
better than his numbers suggest, and he simply is kind
(35:55):
of suppressing his own individual Accola aids four team success,
which I understand that line of thinking, but it does
kind of contradict his own teammate from the end of
(36:19):
last year. It's like, hey, we gotta get better in
the passing game, and it kind of goes against what
we saw when the Eagles were unbelievable in twenty twenty two.
They won the Super Bowl in twenty twenty four and
the one dip twenty twenty three was a year that
they really tried to open up the passing game more.
And so it is this is one of the fun
(36:41):
things to me about kind of sports debate, is this
isn't really defied, like it's not provable, at least in
the short term. And here and now, we don't know
what Jalen would look like if he played for the
twenty fifteen Panthers, and we don't know what Cam would
look like if he had played for the twenty twenty
(37:03):
four Eagles. I do think that there is an element
of even for a lot of Jalen's biggest supporters. If
you were just asking, be like, hey, who's the better quarterback,
Cam Newton or Jalen Hurts, I think most people are like, well,
(37:24):
Cam Newton and if the question is why or what's
your evidence? I honestly think the answer is he's just better.
And sometimes, like I know, that can feel like a
cop out, but it does feel real here and where
(37:47):
I will, and I know it might sound like I
don't know I should. I don't usually go back and
listen to the pods, but I might go back and
listen to this segment because there's a possibility I'm not
making a lot of sense, but I am. I uh,
I find this Tommish fascinating because it is to me
(38:10):
layered and nuanced, because, like I said, if you asked
me who was better Cam or Jalen, my snap answer
is like, obviously it's Cam. But with that said, if
you asked me, am I certain that Cam would be
(38:36):
better for this Eagles team, I don't know that I
would say yes. I think when you have a team
as stacked as the current Eagles, having a quarterback who
doesn't seem that focused on his individual accolades or success
could really play in your favor. And I think Jalen
(38:59):
deserves it's a huge credit.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For that push man. I don't sorry, well.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, I think that's probably a bad example because
Cam Cam was arguably the greatest short yardage player in
NFL history. Now what they wouldn't do a toush push.
They just did regular jump jump over the line or
quarterback sneak, you know what I mean. So it was
it was different. But I I am really interested because
(39:33):
one day in Jalen's career, he's not going you know,
you're not gonna have Saquon Ajdavante. You're not going to
have this amazing supporting cast. And there will be a
time where the Eagles are in a position where it's like, listen, man,
our defense isn't you know what we had hoped. We
(39:55):
don't have this great running game. If we're gonna win,
we're gonna need you to do it, you know, the
old school quarterback style, drop back thirty sometimes and throw
the ball. I think there's real question, like there is
a real question over whether or not he can do that,
and so we This is my ultimate endpoint on this,
(40:19):
and I am definitely at times guilty of this, which
is why probably I'm a little circular in my reasoning here.
We give guys a ton of credit for doing more
with less. The lebron dragging the seven Calves to the finals,
(40:44):
you know that type of thing like, look at you,
you had so little help, look at what you did.
We don't always do a good enough job of recognizing
just because you can do more with less doesn't mean
you can do the most with a ton. And Jalen
(41:06):
has proven he can do the most with this great situation,
and not everybody can do that, And so, and this
is something I'd be interested at some point in talking
to Cam about. I also really screwed up because Cam,
(41:28):
I hope he wouldn't get mad at me saying this.
I don't think he would. Cam reached out to me
a couple months ago about him and I doing something together.
Did I tell you this? Demanse is a very funny story.
So Cam and I briefly linked at the Super Bowl,
just like walking past each other. I walked over and
introduced myself. He knew me, and then said something incredibly
(41:54):
kind to me, like oka like shockingly kind about kind
of the way I broadcast and formulate arguments and about
his broadcasting. I don't want to share of that, but
it was. It was disarmingly kind, right. And then a
few months later he reached out to me. And what
(42:16):
I will say is Cam texts in that same Fontee
instagrams that like wing things weird font, Like if you
ever see the Cam instagram, it's like all the letters
are weird. He texts in that font, which can be
like I didn't have his number, but I saw the
text and I was like, this has to be Cam Newton.
(42:38):
Then I confirmed it was Cam Newton, that he wanted
he and I to do something together, and I was like,
one hundred would love to. Like he's in Atlanta hard,
you know, it's hard for me to get down to Atlanta,
but I thought I might be down Atlanta for Baseball
All Star. It's like absolutely. So there's two funny elements
(42:58):
of this story. First one is he's like, all right, great,
who does your scheduling? I'll have my person reach out
and we can set something up. I was like, Cam,
you're talking to the person who does my scheduling. I
am not quite as fancy as you, buddy, I don't
I don't have I don't have a scheduler one day
(43:21):
maybe but the person but uh but yeah, demons, look
in the doc real quick and look at Cam's Instagram
caption with Kevin Hart. See the wow. Yeah, so so
(43:42):
he so this is really and so this is embarrassing.
So I was like, I was like, let's I was like,
let's just talk. Uh. I don't know. I think I
said Saturday afternoon or whatever it was. It's like, all right, cool.
And about twenty minutes before we were supposed to talk
(44:05):
is when I got that car wreck and I text
him and I was like, hey, man, I just wrecked
my car. I sakers in the car, my dog's in
the car. That I was like, I can't. I was like,
let me, you know, let's let me hit you back.
And he's like, all right, no problem. And I have.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean, but I will still.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
I will if anybody, if anybody, if anybody's watching this, uh,
send this to camp, tell him I apologize. It's a
bad job by me. All right, let's go. Uh, let's
go to the Dolphins for a minute.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Tua isn't exactly welcoming Tyreek back with open arms. After
Tyreek did that little thing at the end of twenty
twenty four, Terreek took some accountability and saying I need
to be better as a leader. I feel like he
probably should have said as a star player. But with
things already off to a bad start. How do you
see miamis season going.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I want to believe in Miami a little bit. I
think that they are. You know, I like the team
that used to be overvalued that now I think people
have gone too far in the other direction on I
tend to like those teams and Miami. I really like
the Jalen Ramsey, Minka Fitzpatrick trade. I think they got
(45:29):
better there, Tyreek, I think will be better this year.
So there, and I think that that last playoff spot
in the AFC should be pretty open. So there are
some reasons that I kind of was leaning. You know,
maybe maybe I'll believe in the Dolphins as a playoff
team this year, especially because speaking of the hot seats,
(45:50):
I think, you know, Mike McDaniel, the GM, I think
they know we got to start putting some pelts on
the wall, you know what I mean. We got to
get back on the right track. This is where you
might think I'm being unfair. So Toua's comments yesterday were basically, yeah,
(46:15):
they speaking for me and for the team. He wasn't
speaking for himself. He's like, you know, Tyreek, what Tyrek
did is not something that you just say my bad
about and you know we're all good like you gotta
you know, work on yourself. You gotta earn back. Trust
I'm paraphrasing, but he said all this publicly to the media.
(46:38):
So here's where I mean the exact quote is, when
you say something like that, you don't just come back
with my bad. You gotta work that relationship up. He's
working on himself. I didn't love that being a public
comment from Tua. So here's what I'll say, and demon's
(47:00):
that you can tell me no, That's why I thought
you were gonna say I'm being unfair, So just hear
me out on this. Okay. What Tyreek did was way
out of line. There is no excusing it. He was
a bad teammate, he was immature, it was you know,
it was bad. He's also Tyreek Hill. He's he's cut,
(47:29):
he's he's he's he's a receiver. He's a kind of
known at times knucklehead. He he has he he you know,
just this week, he was like, you know, I talked
with my dad, and you know, I thought it was
(47:49):
really important that this offseason I just do football and
family stuff. Meanwhile, you know, I'm pretty sure he's in
a legitimate beef with I show speed and like about
the racing and like, so Tyreek is just a superstar,
(48:10):
which dude, Yeah, like a bit of a dufis, a
bit of a dufis and got a lot of stuff. Okay,
it does not excuse what he said, but we're also
I don't think you're not getting in the Tyreek Kill
business for maturity, professionalism, and leadership. You're getting in the
(48:30):
Tyreek Kill business because he's freaking awesome. Right, Tua is
your quarterback, and Tua and Tyreek have to work for
the team to work. So I wouldn't care at all
if at the first day of training camp, Tua got
up in front of the team and was like, Tyreek,
(48:52):
you betrayed all of us. You have a lot of
you know, making up to do. That was you know,
red him the Riot act privately, but publicly, I think
the answer has to be either, uh yeah, listen, I
think Tyreek's addressed that any feelings I have on that
(49:14):
I'm gonna keep between me and Tyreek and me and
the team. But you know, we know that he and
I got to get back to what we were two
years ago for this team to have a chance. And
I believe we're gonna do that. You either do that
or and to it might not be comfortable with this
because I know he's like a deeply religious guy. You
just flat lie. Oh no, Tyreek, Tyreek, We're all good.
(49:36):
We knew it was emotional right after the season. Nobody cared.
I think those are your two best options rather than
telling the media. No. Everyone was really bothered by that,
and actually it we're still working on it because then
it continues like I'm gonna need an update on that,
you know what I mean. And so again, Tyreek to
(50:00):
in a terrible position.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
And throughout that like it seemed like he he seemed
pretty nervous, I don't want to say nervous, but constantly
walking back stuff and like thinking super hard about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
He was saying, Oh, you're talking about Tyreek at the
interview year.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
No, I'm talking about two in the in the pressor.
I mean I felt like he was sweaty.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
But yeah, well, I mean he was Miami right off
practice field. But yes, I agree, I agree with you
on that regard. But I also thought Tyreek when he
gave this initial thing right after the playoffass didn't exactly
know what he was trying to say, and then was like, ah,
I'm out. I just think that there is sometimes when
(50:40):
you are the face of an organization and you get
put in bad spots by people and publicly, you got
to just present a united front. That's the you know,
That's all that I'm or you can go Peyton Manning
(51:02):
about was it Mike vander jack the kicker? So this
you'll love this demonse because you have no recollection of
this whatsoever. Mike Vanderjat, who's a pretty good kicker for
the Colts and the Aughts, went on some radio show
after another Colts playoff loss and took shots at Peyton
(51:24):
the kicker, and then yeah, the kicker. And then Peyton
was asked about it at the Pro Bowl, like during
a sideline interview, and Peyton's like, yeah, I mean, I
really didn't expect that I was gonna get asked about
our idiot kicker getting all liquored up and popping off
(51:46):
at the mouth on the radio. I'll deal with that
if he's still a teammate in the future, Like this
guy's gone, this guy's gone, I'm not dealing with him.
I have no interest in him. And so that that's
the other that's the other option. The other option is
(52:09):
if Tua would have been like, yeah, I don't think
it's gonna be a problem because I don't think Tyryk's
gonna be on the team. Like that's the nuclear option.
But so but if he's going to be on the team,
then you gotta you gotta sometimes clean up somebody else's mess.
That's the only even if it's not fair that.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Titled with the first topic, it sounds like the Chiefs
and Tyreek Hill kind of miss each other.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Well, I told you I I told you guys a
year ago that I'm very excited for Tyreek Hill wearing
a Chiefs uniform in twenty twenty six because that's I
think going to happen. It's not gonna happen this year,
but that I think is going to happen. So you're
(52:54):
pretty likely maybe that's enough to get Kelsey to come
back for one more year. A little final tie Rea
bring band right often the sunset together. Yeah, I think
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let's jump to the Cowboys and Micah. Actually, no, we're
gonna do the Von Miller Jayden Daniels thing. Let's do
that here, the thing we were supposed to do here.
We're just gonna have to go fast through these because
I actually have a meeting with our Blue Duck boss,
Gabe good One. He's in New York City. Oh yes, sir,
see I'm seeing Gabe for the first time in a while,
(54:25):
so we'll we'll speed through these.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Okay, So Commander's new edition. Von Miller was singing some
high praises to his new quarterback, Jade and Daniels. We're
gonna get out of the Coote war here, he said, you
can't leave Josh Allen to just go anywhere. Josh Allen
was MVP of the league last year. I feel like
Jayden Daniels has MVP potential as well. My question to
you is what's more likely for Jaden a sophomore slump
or an MVP caliber season.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I mean, I mean, this is unfair my my strut.
The more likely is a bit of a sophomore slump.
I'm I mean that more likely is similar to what
CJ went through last year, where you have this unbelievable
rookie year. Some people are like, You're gonna go win
(55:09):
league MVP and instead you kind of taper or maybe
slightly regressed, but people still feel great about you. That's
more likely now. Listen, Mahomes won MVP a second year
as a starter. Lamar one MVP his second years. No,
Mahomes won MVP his first year as a starter second
year in the league. Lamar won MVP his first year,
(55:31):
starting all you know, the full season. Burrow went to
the Super Bowl a second year as a starter. Russell
Wilson won the Super Bowl second year as a starter,
you know. So it certainly can be done. But I
think Washington Washington had too many unbelievable wins last year
(55:55):
for me to think they're gonna be quite as good
this year. There were too many. A part of what
made Jaden great last year was how how amazing he
was in the clutch and how great they were in
those close games, you know, not just the Hail Mary,
other stuff, and usually that corrects a bit. I also
worry about their defensive fair amount, and the McLaurin hold
(56:18):
out for the time being is concerning. So it wouldn't be.
It's not like it's off the board that Jaden wins
League MVP, but I would I wouldn't have him. I
think it's more likely that he's slightly worse than he
was last year than it is that he's better.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
I mean, because he's better super Bowl, well.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
The team is super Bowl, but better for you know,
MVP can just be if they win twelve games and
you know he puts up these crazy numbers. Yeah, the
I obviously, I think Mahomes this is a great bet
for MVP. I I don't know. I mean, Mahomes at
(57:10):
seven to one feels like you should just bet that
every year. I mean, that's what cousin Sal talks about,
and he's right, like, if you just bet Mahomes when
he at seven to one every year, he's gonna win
more than one and seven. I wonder is there like
a dark horse MVP that I think is realistic. Baker's
(57:36):
not a bad one. Baker twenty five to one, Thanks
for our friends at DraftKings. Baker. When I think the
Bucks could be good, Baker at twenty five to one
is not a bad one. I don't think Herbert's gonna
have the numbers, uh. I don't think the Bengals are
gonna be good enough. Josh and Lamar obvious, I don't
(57:59):
think the Bears are gonn be You really got to
win like twelve games. I don't know that. I I'd
love to pick Caleb, but I think that's probably a
bridge too far. Kah, Josh and Lamar are good bets
every year. Where's my sa?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
I think that's a little crazy. They did just say Stafford,
I think he's like twenty five to one or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
Thirty five to one, thirtyty five to one. That I
like that one. What's crazy?
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Well, you were like Caleb Williams first year in the NFL.
You're like, he's going to go to the super Bowl
his second year. MVP is a bridge too far?
Speaker 1 (58:34):
I think, Well, first of all, it's two different things,
I mean, individual success, and then is it one of
them harder? Well, yes, and no. Here's the thing I my.
You know, I had a lot of misses related to
the Bears last year, but the one that didn't get
(58:56):
any attention was I drastically overrated their defense and they
didn't spend resources getting the defense better this year. And
so because of that, I just think it's gonna be
hard for them to have, you know, a gaudy record
this year, even if Caleb is excellent. I so, I
(59:18):
do think Caleb will one day win a league MVP.
I don't think, you know, he wouldn't be my bet
this year. Stafford at thirty five to one is a
fun one. I think that's pretty fair value. All right,
let's go to Micah and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (59:38):
So Micah showed up to camp without a new deal,
but he's still practicing. What a solid guy man. But
Tray Hendrickson is in Florida while he waits to get
his deal finalized or an extension. So last year we
saw Brad and Ayuk hold in and we saw that win.
What do you think the best way to go about
this these types of situations is.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
I think hold In is probably the smartest. And I
don't know that Micah is doing that because Mike is practicing,
but he had back back tightness, you know. I think
he's kind of taking it day by day. The new
CBA rules with the fifty thousand dollars a day fine
is just brutal. I think personally, I think Micah is
(01:00:23):
handling this really really well. Yeah, I think Jerry is
handling it, I think poorly. I think Micah had whoever's
giving Micah advice on the messaging and how he's doing this,
and like, I'm here for my teammates, I want to
be a leader. All this stuff. I think it's really smart,
(01:00:43):
and I think some of the way the Cowboys you know,
have done this is just so silly. They're obviously like
we all know TJ. Watt just got one hundred and
eight million guaranteed forty one million a year. So Micah
is going to get one hundred and ten million garant
and forty two million a year. We all know it.
(01:01:04):
And the fact that there have been more than a
dozen guys from Micah's draft class to get contract extensions
and he's not one of them is just mortifying. Here's
the other thing for the Cowboys that I just think
is indicative. And I tried to explain this on TV yesterday,
but I did a kind of ham fisted job about it.
And it's the way the hold on your mom just
(01:01:28):
walked in here, what's up? Ed Okay, well, okay, I'll
see it. I love you baby. The he let Deanna
come in one time to say goodbye to camp, but
now your mom is just like just peering in. Um
but uh um. So I tried to explain this on
(01:01:51):
the show yesterday and I didn't do a very good
job of it. So Trayvon Diggs, the Cowboys just clawed
back half a million dollars from him for not working
out with the team enough in the offseason, and he's
upset about it and It's truly just a matter of perspective.
(01:02:17):
So the way most contracts work demanse. Let's just say
you make you know ANFL player, you make ten million
dollars a year they might put in, and you get
an extra five hundred thousand dollars if you complete the
full off season workout program, like Lamar has given up
(01:02:40):
nearly a million dollars in workout bonuses because he's not
doing like the full off season over the last few
years with Baltimore. So that's so most teams pay you
a ten million, give you an extra five hundred thousand
for working out. The Cowboys structure these as we're paying
(01:03:00):
you ten point five million, but if you don't work out,
we're taking the five hundred thousand back. Those are effectively
demands identical results. I work out all off season with you,
I get ten and a half million. I don't work
out all off season with you, I get ten million.
(01:03:22):
But they psychologically feel differently. Do you understand what I
mean as opposed to I am opting against earning this
bonus rather than your taking from me. And so Trayvon's
pissed and this is like an all This isn't just
conjecture that psychologically it lands differently. It's proven like there's
(01:03:46):
I'm gonna give the This is one of the things
I think I screwed up on the TV show yesterday.
But this is a real proven study, which is if
you walk up to someone on the street, demonse, and
you hand them fifty dollars and then and say that's yours,
and then say but if you want you hand it
(01:04:10):
to them they put in their pocket. Would you like
to flip a coin for fifty dollars meaning you get
it right now, you get one hundred, you get it wrong,
you gotta give me that back. The vast majority of
people say no, no, no, no, I'll take the fifthy
you just gave me. But if you walk up to
people on the street and say, hey, what would you
(01:04:33):
rather do right now? Flip a coin and if you win,
I give you one hundred bucks or I'll just give
you fifty dollars, the vast majority of people will flip
the coin. Even though those are identical things. Yeah, because
a weird thing happens once it's in your pocket, you
(01:04:54):
know what I So, even though those are the exact
same offer, just the sequence of when you get the
money changes how you view it and the Cowboys that's,
in my opinion, what they screwed up with Trayvon. All right,
there's a lot of other stuff that we go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Sorry, no, no, no, go ahead. It was a small D two.
Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I was gonna say. There's a lot of other stuff
we were going to get to today, including whether or
not cam Ward is the least talked about number one
overall pick ever. And my answer that question is yes,
because we're actually going to skip that topic as well.
We do need to tell you, though about one of
our favorite segments, Boost on the Rise, Time for on
(01:05:34):
the Rise, presented by Boost Mobile, breaking down players who
found a way to stand a part of the NBA
Summer League, just like Boost Superior Network and five G
Towers and I am throwing in there a guy who
has bounced around G League NBA has tried to find
his footing and is now also one of the all
(01:05:57):
time Summer League record hold for three pointers. And that's
Cole Swider. So this is is this in part because
he's spent a year at Syracuse, sure, but it's also
a very interesting story. He's undrafted in twenty twenty two,
and here's what he's done. Played for the Lakers, then
played for the South Bay Lakers, then played for the Heat,
(01:06:19):
then played for the suit Fall Sky Force, then played
for the Pistons, then played for the Motor City Crews.
Those are their G League teams. Then played for the
South Bay Lakers again, then played for the Raptors. This
summer was on the Lakers Summer League team. And what
you know in Summer League hit six threes, four threes,
four threes, two threes, two threes for a total of
(01:06:41):
eighteen threes this year at Summer League. He's the all
time Summer League leader in three pointers. And I just
wonder if there might be a bad team somewhere that's like,
you know what, let's give this twenty six year old
six foot eight inch three point shooter or a try
(01:07:03):
and see if he can turn into something. Uh. He
obviously has gotten a bunch of tries, as evidence by
the fact that he was undrafted four years ago and
is still bouncing around. He has played a grand total
in his career of thirty five NBA games across three years.
But I.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's dedication.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
It's dedication. He just wants, you know, and he doesn't
want to go to Europe, Like a lot of those
guys would just be like, all right, I'm just gonna
be playing Europe. He wants to make the NBA. I
thought he handled himself well in Summer League, and size
and shooting are at such a premium. Maybe he gets
(01:07:46):
a shot somewhere. I don't think it'll be with the Lakers,
but maybe he gets a shot somewhere. That is a
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you do that. Couple quick NBA or questions from the
audience to a before we move.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
On, Edwards says, simple thought, if the Eagles could win
by throwing the ball, they will win by throwing the ball.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I don't Here's the thing. I understand that argument, but
they it's not like they struggled last year winning so
I would agree with you if they were. You know,
they had one of the greatest running seasons in the
history of the league last year. So it's just kind
of an unfair in my opinion, way to look at it.
(01:08:37):
And so I don't know. I I my gut says
they are limited throwing the ball, but it's just not
fair to kill him for it because they won the
Super Bowl doing and it's not like they won the
Super Bowl thirteen to ten. They were the offense was
absolutely annihilating people. All right.
Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Next, just Man's ass. Do you think he'll could get
traded at the deadline of Miami is bad? He's excited
about it too.
Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I think it's unlikely but possible. Cap wise, they could
trade him and it doesn't kill him. So I think
it is unlikely, but it is possible. Let's get to
the other two ones quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
U Scott says what rookie quarterback is the best this season?
And does JJ count?
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I would count JJ because he missed the entirety of
last year, and JJ would be my pick, Like you
know what I mean. I would think JJ will have
the best rookie season of it. But I didn't love
this rookie quarterback class. But I think JJ will have
the best year, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Last Cameron asked Nick, if Gino Smith is as good
as you think he is, then why did Seattle get
rid of him? Is John Schneider just a moron?
Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I don't think John Schneider is a moron, but I
think Seattle got worse at quarterback. I just don't think
Samnold's better than Geno Smith. I thought that was a
big mistake. They made this offseason flat like all right,
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Volume to Blue Duck, to everyone involved. I will see
you guys on Tuesday. What's right?
Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
See you guys. Bye,
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