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Nick Wright recaps Week 18 of the NFL season, starting with the Baltimore Ravens being eliminated after losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers. What's next for Lamar Jackson and John Harbaugh as tensions continue to rise in Baltimore? Are Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers the dark horse team to watch out for in the NFL Playoffs? Then, Nick debates whether or not Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks deserve to be the Super Bowl favorites heading into the playoffs. After, Nick recaps “Black Monday” and decides what the best head coaching vacancies in the NFL are. Later, Nick and Damonza answer your questions. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in. We'll drive in the great episode for eleven.
This episode is always is brought to you by our
good friends at boost Mobile. Now, typically right now is
when I introduce we slide the camera over Demanse. Demanse
is not here at the moment, and there are two
possible explanations for that. One is he knew we were
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going to start the show discussing another just gut wrenching,
horrifying Ravens loss to end an otherwise promising season. The
other explanation is, for the first time in the four
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plus years he's been doing this show in the two
years he's been doing this show from Los Angeles, Demonse
brand new father of an eleven week gold or no
sorry incorrect, seven week old eight week old to be exact,
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for the first time overslept and is running late. Now.
Typically I would just cover for him and say it's
the Ravens, and I might have even told him and
I talked to him. Don't worry. I'm just gonna say
you're too emotionally distraught to discuss the Ravens side of it. However,
I think it is even more relatable and endearing to
(01:31):
know that we are about to see a bleary eyed
on you know, something like ninety minutes, sleep up with
a new born, all night demands. When he rolls into
the studio in the next fifteen or twenty minutes, I'd
have given him the day off, he said, no, I
gotta be there, so he'll be here shortly to discuss
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what is going to be an unbelievable NFL wild Card
weekend and a open postseason. Before we get to all
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working on a trade. This is not surprising. And again
(02:15):
my three way Southeastern point guard, much maligned Southeastern point
guard trade of Trey John Lamello that has been sitting
there that I've talked about for more than a year
is still there. Matta is Fia backs Dylan Brooks. That's fine.
Folks talking about Dylan Brooks as if he's a legitimate
All Star, and folks determining that if Dylan Brooks and
(02:39):
first of all, you Boogey Cousins trade ideas are outrageous,
you wouldn't trade Austin Reeves for Dylan Brooks first of all.
Second of all, the idea. This is now just like
last year, people were like, won't people think about who
was the Norman Powell if Lebron James got an All
Star bitten didn't play. Now folks are trying to discuss
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as if Lebron James shouldn't be on the All Star team,
and go check Kobe and Mike's stats their final All
Star years and get back to me if we're talking
about who should and shouldn't be on All Star teams,
and also if Lebron weren't on there, Dylan Brooks is
not the first guy out and last, but not least,
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you guys, wrote brew Ouce Nick as a shoeless flyer,
Here's the deal. Wilds outed me as this months ago,
and I want to be very clear I have no
qualms or shame in that whatsoever. I wear fresh, brand
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new out of the package socks, nice shoes, and when
I get on a plane, I very often take my
shoes off, and so damn neara health thing. Ankles can
swell gets. Seriously, I've heard up there a man of
my age, I don't take my socks off. That would
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be abhorrent, and I don't have and I have brand
I make sure I wear brand new socks. I have
no shame in that whatsoever. Now time for the actual show.
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guys subscribe there as well. Okay, the Steelers beat the
Ravens in just an epic final game two seventy two
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of the twenty twenty five NFL season. And before I
get to how seriously I'm taking the steel the real
story is, of course, this season from Baltimore, and the
developing story is that at the moment, it's ten forty
five am Eastern on January sixth, what was happening five
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years ago today at this time, it's ten forty five
eastern six years ago at this time, I should say,
and John Harbaugh still has a job. So right now
it's status quo in Baltimore, and we'll get into that
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piece of it as well. But first I do want
to show actual empathy, and I mean this. This isn't
tongue in cheek. This isn't me being a smart ass,
this isn't me doing any It's subtle. I told you
so stuff about Lamar, who had such an interesting game
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Sunday Night. But over the last ten years, it is
hard to find a franchise that it's dealt with more
end of season stomach punches than the Baltimore Ravens. And
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it's literally nine of the last ten years. So if
I may go through it just quickly, because this does
the Ravens because they've had such success compared to mediocre
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or bad franchises, and because they've got to two time
MVP and a coach people historically have really liked, and
they've won two Super Bowls this decade. I'm sorry this
century people don't look at them as like a curse
cursed franchise. But here are how the last ten seasons
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have ended in Baltimore. Twenty sixteen, the eight and six
Baltimore Ravens are playing the nine and five Pittsburgh Steelers.
It is on Sunday Night Football with the de facto
division title on the line. The Ravens have a three
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point lead. I don't know if it was a three
or a four point lead. I'm gonna check to get
because I want to make sure I have it right.
They have a three point lead with ten seven weeks left,
and Ben Roethlisberger throws just short of the goal line
to Antonio Brown, who gets hit and stopped and Pittsburgh
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has no timeouts. He stopped short of the goal line
and as he's going down, he turns around reaches the
ball over the back of his head touchdown division title.
Baltimore loses the next week and misses the postseason. The
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next year, Baltimore is in a win and in scenario
in Week seventeen against that got nothing to play for
Cincinnati Bengals and Andy Dalton. They have them in a
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fourth and twelve with forty seconds remaining, and the Bengals
hit a sixty plus yard game winning insane touchdown pass
to end the Ravens season. The next year is the
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one year the reason I said nine out of ten
with heartbreak, the one year that didn't end in heartbreak.
The next year, the team's not good throws a figurative
Hail Mary by going to Lamar Jackson at the mid
You know, late in the year, Lamar rips off a
bunch of wins, they sneak into the playoffs. They get
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absolutely crushed in round one. But you had real reason
for optimism. Didn't expect necessarily, you didn't expect to look
as bad as you did in Round one against the Chargers.
But whatever. But twenty sixteen, you lose a Week sixteen
game for the division in the final seconds. Twenty seventeen,
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you lose a winning you're in game on a fourth
and twelve to Andy Dalton. Twenty nineteen, you have the
number one seed, you have the unanimous MVP, and you
get dog walked by the Tennessee Titans in your first
playoff game. Twenty twenty, it is a ten to three snowy,
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cold weather defensive battle in the divisional round. You are
inside the ten yard line going in for the game
tying touchdown as the waning moments of the fourth quarter
approach of the third quarter. In the waning moments of
the third quarter, Lamar Jackson picks six. You lose the
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game right there. Twenty twenty one, you're eight and three.
Lamar Jackson gets banged up. His coach thinks he'll be
back soon. He never comes back. You finish eight to nine.
Twenty twenty two, you're having another solid year. You're nine
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to four. Lamar Jackson gets banged up, his coach thinks
he's coming back. You limp to the finish line, but
make the playoffs anyway, and you're seventeen to seventeen in
a playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals with Tyler Huntley
at quarterback. You're on the goal line. You run a
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quarterback sneak fumble return touchdown ninety nine yards. Lose that
playoff game. Twenty twenty three, you're the number one seed again.
You have a home playoff game. You're the number one
DVOA team, the number one DVOA defense. You have the
MVP of the league at quarterback. You turn the ball
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over three times in that game, including a goal line
fumble by Isaay Flowers an end zone pick by Lamar Jackson.
You lose seventeen to seven. Twenty twenty four. Lamar is
the best year of his career, arguably despite not winning MVP.
You get the Buffalo Bills again. You have a furious
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second half comeback culminating in a two point conversion attempt
to a wide open Mark Andrewsy fumbles. And twenty twenty five,
you have a season from hell, but you can make
up for all of it by beating your hated rival
Pittsburgh Steelers. And you have another unbelievable fourth quarter by Lamar,
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including a fourth and seven conversion to Isaiah likely to
give you a chip shot field goal, and your rookie
kicker Tyler loop Gaxit. That is nine out of ten
years of utter heartbreak, and the one year that was
not included in the heartbreak was getting just annihilated in
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a playoff game Lamar's rookie season. That is torture. And
I got real empathy for Ravens fans, honestly, and it's
one of the reasons I'm so surprised John Harbaugh's still
the coach, because even if that's not his fault, there's
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too much scar tissue at this point and it sure
feels like a change needs to be made now. On
the game itself, how do we evaluate Lamar's play such
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a weird game because for the first three quarters and
Collinsworth set it on the broadcast early in the fourth quarter,
Lamar was five of ten for sixty seven yards and
wasn't running the ball and had done nothing. And then
in the fourth quarter he played the best quarter of
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his life, including two of the best plays of his
entire career, the two free rushers sandwiching him, him him
avoiding that sack, and then hitting Zay Flowers on a
fifty plus yard touchdown. As amazing as that was, I
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don't know if that was a better play than the
fourth and seven season on the line, perfect throw and
even better catch by likely to set up the chip
shot field goal. So Lamar he in sports, it doesn't
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matter how big of a hole you dig yourself. Ask
my guy Trevor with his foreign interception playoff game, if
your brilliance digs you out of it. The last two years,
the game ending losses for Baltimore, it is felt like
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Lamar helped dig them a big hole and then dug
them this close to out of it with brilliant play,
and then mistakes by other people cost him the full vindication.
Mark Andrews cost him a shot at overtime and Tyler
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loop cost him a win. But how do we do
the math on that? It be ridiculous to pin the
loss on Lamar, but it would also be ridiculous to
give him credit for coming through in a game that
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they lost, and in part they lost because in the
Bills game last year and the Steelers game this year
really really shaky first half performances including a turnover or
in the Bills game, a couple turnovers. So that part
is hard to parse and history probably won't remember the
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details as much as more big games that the Ravens
were favored in. And that's the other piece that I
didn't even mentioned in this Favored in that game against
the Chiefs, favored in the game against the Bills, favored
in the game against Pittsburgh, lost loss loss. Now, the
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very end of the game, should John Harbaugh have attempted
to put Tyler Loop in a better position? The easy
answer is yes, why didn't he? The uncomfortable answer is
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because Derrick Henry had a fumbling problem this year, and
all of that matters. The fact that the Ravens moved
on from Justin Tucker to a rookie kicker mattered this year.
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The fact that Derrick Henry fumbled early in the year
and seemed to be in his head about it, despite
how brilliant he was. If it wasn't in his head,
it wasn't Harball's because you at fourteen seconds, you had
one time out, and you were staring at a forty
one yard field goal in the toughest stadium to kick
in the sport. And instead of asking Derrick Henry to
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make it a thirty five yard field goal or maybe
a zero yard field goal if he pops one, you
made it a forty four yard field goal because you
don't want to risk the turnover. Also, Lamar told us
that not long before Tyler looped, and I don't know
if Harbaugh knew this. Not long before Tyler loop goes
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to take the kick that will define his entire NFL career,
most likely Lamar flipped out on him on the sidelines.
He kicked the ball out of bounds. That's got to
be tough for the rookie kicker. I don't know how
confident he was walking into that kick, and we only
the cameras didn't catch that. Lamar told us that after
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the game. But ultimately the reason the Ravens lost was
because they were not a good team this year. They
were an eight to nine team. In every fashion, they
had moments of brilliant defense and moments of horrific defense.
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And that was over the course of the season, and
in the final game of the year, their quarterback had
moments of brilliant play and moments of the shakiest play
of his career. That was all season, and in Week eighteen.
They were coached by a special teams coach, and the
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special teams were shaky throughout the season, and then they
lost it for him in Week eighteen. That was not
a great football team, and that was not a team that,
had they won, they were gonna be super Dans, even
though people tried to convince themselves they would be. That
was a team that needed the Cleveland Browns and Shardoor
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Sanders to win a Week seventeen game just to make
Week eighteen matter for them. And so why will this
team be different next year? Well, right now, as I
keep checking my phone for an update, it doesn't look
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like they're going to be. Which Lamar was asked after
the game if he wants Harbaugh back next year, and
he said, I can't focus on that right now. We
just lost, which is a damning and telling answer. And
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I have been of the informed belief that Lamar is
over John Harbaugh. Lamar's answered to that question just furthered
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that belief, which again is not naked speculation. And if
I were the Ravens, I'd almost always picked the player
over the coach. It doesn't seem like they have any
interest in moving on from Lamar, so I just assumed
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they knew they had to move on from Harball. And again,
by the time you listen to this, maybe that will
have happened, but it has not happened yet. And the
Lamar contract situation becomes very tricky because he has got
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two years left on what is now a drastically under
market deal that averages fifty two million dollars a year,
the top of the market's now sixty. Also, they need
to rework that deal because it's got a cap hit
of seventy five million dollars next year and the year after,
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which is completely untenable. And Lamar, who turns twenty nine
tomorrow and is coming off his worst year as a
pro and a year with five injuries, is going to
want a top of market, fully guaranteed contract. And if
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the Ravens keep John harm what was already going to
be a very tough contract negotiation for the Baltimore Ravens
With Lamar, I think we'll get that much tougher. So
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I don't want to spend too much time right now
on the Lamar future Harball future angle, just because I
still feel like this could become dated in hours, because
I still feel like the Ravens are probably moving on
from Harball, but it hasn't happened yet. We will get
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Demands's thoughts on this, and I will explain why I
think the Steelers are an actual threat in just a moment.
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Demons is here, pal. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm good. How you doing, Pops?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm doing well?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Uh weird day.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Your baby is fat man.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
She's a big baby. Yeah, you keep.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
These pictures you sent me or you're Maddie sent me
last night. I mean she's she's approaching her two month birthday.
She is a chunky, gorgeous baby. Please thank Maddie for
those pictures. Because of the time difference, I didn't I
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didn't respond.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Immediately the but good to see you, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
How are you dealing doing with and dealing with the
Raven's loss?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, it's it's unfortunate. I would have never seen
it coming down to to our new kicker. But I
can't blame it on the guy. I think Lamar Lamar
did well and I think in a big time spot.
I think I love that likely caught a pass to
keep us in it, having the year that he's had.
But and I also think, you know, the Lamar not
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being able to comment on Harball after the game probably
means that he's more out on him than he is
in But uh well, yeah, it's it's unfortunate way to
go out. But they fought, they fought, But yeah, it's
it's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I want to say one thing to the audience on
Lamar being out on Harball more out than it Okay,
and I shouldn't you know how they say like if
you have to explain a joke, it's not funny. Yep,
there is ah this I don't quite have my finger
on how to phrase this, but there's a sports talk
(28:01):
version of that same lesson, okay that I'm going to
violate here when I have spent countless segments on this
show and on TV of pointing out the public record
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of the curious John Harbaugh Lamar Jackson relationship and the
uncertainty about injury status and the different disconnects, and shined
as bright of a light as I could have on
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that Mike Preston column, which was it might have all
been accurate, but still a hit piece on Lamar. Maybe, folks,
I'm doing that because there are certain elements to this
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story that I am not able to divulge publicly, but
that corroborate all of the what we would call circumstantial
evidence that there is a real problem with that relationship.
And so I keep trying to point at the at
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the at the publicly known things, right And another one
was of the publicly known things, was Lamar being asked
do you want your coach back? And him saying I
can't talk about this right now, because and Brew put
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this perfectly on the show yesterday, as distraught as he was.
If that question was, Hey, do you want Derrick Henry Back.
Do you think he would have Like, I can't talk
about that right now, exactly, Jamison. You can't ask me
that right now, of.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Course, not right. And I feel like you get into
those types of arguments with like your spouse or something,
and it's like, I don't want to talk about it
right now. It means that it's like the answer that's
more complicated.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, and so so I just I the Ravens keeping Harball,
if they do, Deman say, is a massive development. I
would argue the Ravens keeping him is a bigger story
than them firing him, okay, because I think the Ravens
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keeping Harball puts Lamar's future with the team in question,
and I think that I'm not again, I don't want
to spend too much time on that piece of it
right here, because I don't know. They might fire him
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today and then this all becomes moot. But if by
the time we're together on Thursday, Hardball still the coach,
that is still the biggest non playoff story. Now, just
quickly on the Steelers, if I may.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, contender, I think this, I say it again, content
you said they'd be a sneaky contender team in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Kinder is I don't think they could win four playoff games,
but I think they can beat the Texans. And this
was as weird and you guys, listen. I am not
an Aaron Rodgers guy, but I have to be fair
about what I'm seeing in the last five weeks. Save
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the Cleveland game, which was an abomination, he's been excellent.
They now get DK Metcalf back. They scored twenty six
against what had been a red hot for two months
Ravens defense, despite missing extra point and getting stuffed at
the one yard line that easily could have been a
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thirty point game for them. Gain Well is an excellent player.
Jalen Warren is an underrated player. TJ. Watt is back.
They are now home against a Texans team that has
not been great down the stretch, a Texans team that
just it's not they've been bad. It feels like they
peaked like Week fourteen fifteen ish and have been holding
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on to a degree. I I'm not dismissing Pittsburgh. I
did for the most of the year. I'm not dismissing
them at this point. I think you're dismissing them.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But I mean, I do think at the Texans is
where it would stop.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But yeah, if they again, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They didn't even have DJ mecalf last week and they
they're getting them back. Got DK back why and then
some more rest with his lung.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
If if they beat the if they beat the Texans,
do I think they would have a shot going to Denver?
I would do. I think they would have a shot
if they ended up being the team that went to
New England. They already beat New England.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You don't think he can no early and so this
is a.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This is a take based purely on speculation. I think
there is a chance that we see in Aaron Rodgers
that is more willing to get hit once the playoffs start.
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That part of his quick, quick, quick, quick trigger was
I need I cannot right be injured for the postseason.
And you even saw in the second half of that
Ravens game. Yeah, he hung in there a little bit
longer and he ended up taking one big shot, scrambled down.
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He took one big shot, was grabbing his wrist and
that could be dangerous. And Houston's front is extraordinary. But
I think there's an element of he might be willing
to hang it, hang in there a little bit more
when he knows, in all likelihood, these are my last
playoff moments, and so I find that intriguing. All right,
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let's go to the NFC and Saturday Night's game.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
All right, Saturday Night, Donald and the Seahawks they secured
the one seed beating the Niners in that game. Donald
is back the postseason, back to back seasons with fourteen games,
the second quarterback, only second quarterback ever to do that.
You've been pretty high on them all year, but now
their favorites. How do you feel about them being Super
Bowl favorites?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, listen, I think it's a testament to that there
is no perfect team this year. That a I hate
to be this simplistic, but it is remarkable that a
team with Sam Donald as its quarterback can be the
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favorites to win the Super Bowl. And I know some
folks might be like Nick, what more does Darnald have
to prove back to back fourteen win seasons. Here is
here's the cold truth on Donald. He has not been
the same player since the first Rams game. First nine
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games of the year to monse a one to seven
team rating, one seventeen seven touchdowns, six picks, ten yards,
per attempt, just super elite play. Since that Rams game,
which we're talking about, eight games, eight touchdowns, eight picks,
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an eighty three rating, seven point two yards per attempt,
So the production has plummeted. And you might say, oh,
that's that one Rams game in there. If you take that,
if you just go after that, it's still in seven games,
eight touchdowns, four picks, a ninety one rating, seven point
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four yards per attempt. Darnold did not play well down
the stretch. That concerns me with that said, that team
is awesome, flatly awesome. The defense is great. Donald at
least is not. You know, he'll take shots, he plays
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with confidence. I think Mike McDonald is excellent, and right
now I I would pick the Rams to beat them,
but the Rams gotta get there and it's gonna be
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a tough path. Now, the Rams obviously should handle Carolina
in round one, but they lost in Carolina this year.
I mean, I think they'll win that game.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I don't think Carolina is better that they lost initially. Huh,
So maybe they won't overlook him this time because it's
the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I yes and no, yes, I understand that, but also
I don't think they're gonna overlook a playoff.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That the Seahawks finishing the way they did. And let
me say one other thing, because we talked about it
last week, Donald found himself in the exact same position
who was in last year winning be the one seed,
losing all to five, and they won. Now, that was
again a game much more about the Seahawks defense and
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what it did to Brock Purdy than it was about Donald.
But Donald didn't melt. And for the Niners, I think
that was a season is too. I don't want to
say season ending because I think they can win their
first playoff game, but I think the Niners needed to
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somehow steal that game against Seattle, get rest, get the
one seed, be in good weather at home to have
a real shot to find a way back to the
super Bowl. Now starting the playoffs in Philly, and then
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if you win that game, going either to Seattle or
to Los Angeles is just too much and so and
folks might be like, why are you not saying they
could go to Chicago because the sixth seed can't play
the two seed in round two of the playoffs. Everybody
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gets this confused about the NFL reseeding. It's also why
if you're a Pats fan the Pats, the way the
seeding fell, it's impossible for them to play Buffalo until
the conference championship game, which I'm If I'm the Pats,
I love because if the Pats win, then the seven
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seeds out the sixth seed, and if Buffalo wins, they
would be by definition, if the Pats have won, the
worst seed remaining, so they would go to Denver. So
the only thing that you know after about the round
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two of the NFL Playoffs is that the three seed
cannot play the one seed in round two, and the
sixth seed cannot play the two seed in round two.
Obviously the two seed can't play the one seed round two.
So I'll say that again. When you're talking about potential
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round two matchups, you know, no matter what, the two
or the three can't play the one, and the six
can never play the two. And I'll add one other thing,
if the seven wins, they all always play the one.
Those are the things you know about when the NFL
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Playoffs are going to reseed. If that helps you think
about what potential round two matchups we could get.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
All right, let's talk MVP but a week ago it
seemed like MVP was locked up in May's favor. But
after another week of football and May and Stafford blowing
their two opponents out, Stafford is back at the lead
at minus one seventy and Drake is plus one forty five.
Does this surprise you that this happening?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
We can think, right, here's what surprised me. I think
the sports books screwed this up. The sports books to me,
acted with far too much confidence a week ago when
they had May like minus four hundred. This isn't something
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that is easy to handicap without actually hearing from the voters.
It's fifty voters and you don't know what they're going
to value, and when it's a two man race, having
(42:12):
just the snap reaction. And this is to me going
to because we have talked about it all, you know,
all year long, and because we have discussed the odds
as if those are actually predictive in this marketplace, Folks
(42:35):
are I think going to be like man Stafford lighting
up the Cardinals one MMVP because they're going to assume
that Drake May was this huge leader after week seventeen
based on nothing other than it's where the sports book
set it, and when it comes to voting setting odds
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for something that is done by a vote where there
is no polling, they're just guessing. And I said a
week ago, I spent a lot of time about how
I did not want MVP to become December Player of
the Month, and that's what it felt like. It was
leaning towards I think Matt Stafford is the rightful MVP,
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and I don't think strength of schedule is everything. But
I also think that if the best argument may has
is we're the two seed and he's the five seed,
that's where strength of schedule to me, does matter, Like,
all right, if you flip their schedules, could the Rams
have won fourteen games in the Patriots of one twelve?
(43:48):
And then the the one seed versus five seed argument? Also,
if you're saying or two seed versus five seed, the
other truth is the Rams are not the five seed.
They're the one seed if they can hold a touchdown
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in overtime lead against Seattle when Stafford's on the bench
the whole time, they're up thirty seven thirty in overtime,
and Stafford's the one seed if they hold that game.
And I just think Stafford's numbers against very stiff competition
(44:33):
are and I understand Drake May's got great numbers.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
A Drake makes better numbers than Stafford. I think up
until like a week or maybe two weeks ago, and
Stafford obviously had the harder schedule.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Can I can I just make this point, he still
does not have better numbers than Stafford. I understand that
some of the advanced metrics favored Drake May. But Matt
Stafford this year threw for forty seven hundred yards. Drake
May threw for forty four hundred yards. They both had
eight interceptions. Matt Stafford through fifteen more touchdowns. Matt Stafford
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had forty six touchdowns. Drake May had thirty one. Now,
Drake May's passer rating is four points higher, he has
a higher yards per attempt, and he obviously has been
the more prolific rusher. He rushed for four point fifty
and four touchdowns, so total yards, he barely clips Stafford.
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But even when you add the rushing touchdowns, Stafford has
eleven more. And it's the Internet's claiming Matt Stafford is
thirteen one yard touchdown passes. He does not. He has
eight one yard touchdown passes, and Drake may I believe
(45:56):
has four and the Rams were not a good power
running team. They needed to like It wasn't just like
stat patting, It was pretty sick. Throws to Devonte Adams
was the best way to score. I just guys, got
forty six touchdowns eight picks in the best division in
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football against a really tough schedule. Is won the passing
title in yards by one p fifty and the passing
touchdown title by a dozen and only threw eight picks.
I don't I think it's Stafford. If it's may So
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be it, it's not a travesty. But I think it's
Stafford and Demons real quick. Who do you think is
going to finish third? M Look at the smile on
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my face and see if you can guess.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Oh, is it Trevor?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I think so. I think Trevor's going to finish third? Thirteen?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Is that an accolades.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
It is?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Honestly well, I was just about to say that third
and MVP is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Third and MVP is pretty sick.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
So they went thirteen and four. But more importantly than that,
Trevor Lawrence over the final six games of the season,
nineteen touchdowns, one turnover, and let me get this exactly right,
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two hundred and ninety yards per game. Nineteen touchdowns, one turnover,
two hundred ninety yards per game. They finished the year
on an eight game winning streak. Pretty pretty unbelievable finishing kick.
They won the division. They went to Denver and kicked
the shit out of them. Yeah, the only like pretty
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let's talk a little black Monday lost jobs.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
We got the Raiders Falcons Browns and the Cardinals all
fired their coaches yesterday, and let's not forget the Giants
and Titans also fired their coaches earlier in the season.
Of those six openings, what do you think is the
most attractive job?
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I mean, those are some of the worst jobs in football. Yeah,
I mean, I think the Jets is the only like
job that's in contention that's to be worse than the Browns,
(49:37):
maybe Giants. I guess the Giants. But here the problem
with the Giants is this, Yes, they're a prestige franchise,
but Joe Shane stayed. I don't get that. And they
(49:57):
have since they fired Tom Coughlin. It's been ten seasons, Demonse.
They had Ben McAdoo who lasted a season and a half,
(50:18):
Pat Shermer two years, Joe Judge two years, Brian Dable
three and a half years. It's been a pretty quick trigger.
And I don't know if they do or don't have
(50:38):
the quarterback, and.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So that is I feel like there's the most something there. Well,
I guess the Browns with shadur In chadur In h Dart,
I feel like are damn near the same thing. Huh.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
So I'm not a huge dart guy. I think he's
a bit of a knucklehead. Yeah, and maybe and maybe
Shadoor is going to with a full off season turn
into something. I know this is like not a popular take,
but again, I have to just be honest about what
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we saw. Even by quarterback standards, Shador was really like
rookie quarterback standards, Shoudor really struggled. Shoudor finishes this year
amongst thirty seven qualifying quarterbacks, thirty third or worse in
(51:41):
passer rating QBR, touchdown interception ratio, completion percentage. He threw
for one hundred and seventy five yards per game, had
seven touchdowns, ten interceptions. I'm not sure how many lost fumbles,
a sixty eight rating and dead LAS nineteen point zero
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QBR if you care about QBR that is. And the
Browns have the sixth pick, so I think maybe Shaudor
goes into next year as the incumbent. But I am
if Shaudor becomes a very high quality backup that is
(52:24):
a huge success as a fifth round pick. Like if
Shaudor becomes what's a good If Shador has Jacoby Brissette's career,
that is awesome, That is amazing, values a fifth round pick,
and that would be great for him.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
It is.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Surprising how many people, and maybe a'll end up being wrong,
how many people see bigger and better than that for him.
I don't, I don't. But also the Browns might you know,
might just not know what they're doing. Uh, But I
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guess if I were power ranking the jobs, demanse, I
would go the Titans. Job is dependent on do you
believe in cam Ward. If you think cam Ward is
gonna be a star, then that's a good job. I'm
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gonna go Giants one, I guess, Falcons two, Titans, three Cardinals,
four Raiders, five brown six. These are It's why maybe
this is why. I don't know if there's an argument
(53:57):
for Baltimore to keep Harbar or get rid of them.
They argument to get rid of it is you become
the best job available by ten country Miles. The argument
to keep him is if you fire him, you might
have to just hire Kevin Stefanski, who the Browns just fired.
So I don't even I don't know what you do.
(54:18):
Speaking of the Browns, let's get to Miles Garrett breaking
the sack record.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Miles Garrett broke the single sack record. On Sunday. Where
does this rank among the top pass rushing seasons you've
ever seen?
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Listen, I didn't see it. But Reggie White in nineteen
eighty seven had twenty one sacks, Demonse, he played twelve games,
So that to me is the best. And this is
right at us. Like twenty one sacks and twelve games
by Reggie White. It's just so sick. But Garrett doing
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this for a team that always trailed, that didn't face.
It's the fewest pass it stempts for a team is
faced for a season in which they had a twenty
one plus SAT guy. He was also great against the run,
so I you know it is. I think it's the
best pure pass rushing season in thirty years. I'll go
(55:14):
at least that far. And what else do you have
on this name?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Do you think the Bengals will begin sore losers? When
when the Browns stopped the game to celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I I'm stupefied that the Bengals made a big deal
of this.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well, like it's their they're in their division. Like, man,
we don't care about it.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, but the NFL suck. I mean it's the I
mean we got Zach Taylor's like, we're fighting for our life,
all this nonsense, Like, first of all, no, you're not.
Second of all, how are you not aware that they're
going to stop the game if he breaks this record.
There's only a handful of single season or career records
(56:07):
that are noteworthy. All time receiving yards, it's Jerry Rice,
it's never getting touched. All time rushing yards, it's emmittt Smith,
it's never getting touched. So you just like that's you
just don't have to worry about, Oh man, like what's
gonna happen if our team's involved in something like that? Like,
(56:29):
let me just tell you what those records are. Any
touchdown record, single season, rushing, receiving or career you don't
have to worry about either because you know what happens
after a touchdown. Game stops anyway, so like it's not
gonna happen in the flow of play. So there's it's
a very select few record Like career rushing yards. Emmett
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has eighteen three hundred and fifty five. Second place is
Walter Payton at sixteen to seven. Highest active is Derrick
Henry at thirteen thousand. So Derrick Henry would need another
five thousand yards to break Emmett's record. I don't put
anything past Derrick Henry. I don't think that's happening. Derrick
(57:18):
Henry is thirty one years old. I don't think he's
giving you a thousand yard seasons in the age thirty six.
So that record seems pretty safe. By the way, if
you want to know an even safer record, Jerry Rice's
receiving yards, which is twenty two thousand and eight ninety five.
Second place is Larry Fitzgerald at seventeen thousand.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
And change was Larry.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
That's crazy, Yeah, he played for.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Most most active is DeAndre Hopkins, who has thirteen thousand.
He's more than nine thousand shy and I don't know
if you saw DeAndre Hopkins last two years with the
Chiefs and the Ravens, I don't think he's getting there.
Then it's Mike Evans at thirteen thousand, Travis Kelcey at
thirteen thousand. I don't think either one of those guys
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is adding another ninety eight hundred, So that record seems safe.
The only records are oh, and let me what career
passing yards. Just so we're all on the same page,
it's Tom Brady at eighty nine thousand. Okay. The second
most is Drew Brees at eighty so he's nine thousand clear.
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Aaron Rodgers is the highest active. He's at sixty six.
He's twenty three thousand away. Stafford's at sixty four. He's
twenty five thousand away. I think it's pretty safe. Highest
up on the list of a quarterback still in his prime.
Mahomes and Dak both have thirty five to nine, so
(58:53):
they both need fifty five thousand more. We don't have
to worry about that record for a while. So the
only records they can be broken where they might stop
a game are single season rushing Eric Dickerson. If Saquan
would have done it last year, they'd have stopped the game.
Single season receiving Calvin Johnson when he got it, they
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stopped the game. Single season passing Peyton Manning he got
it on a touchdown pass, they stopped the game and
the sacks record, and when Strahan got it, they stopped
the game. Whiney baby Bengals and Jamar Chase being like
(59:38):
man and back into my career. They better when I
get ten catches or something, Buddy, I love you, Jamar Chase,
shut up. I promise you, Jamar Chase, I absolutely promise you.
If you ever break Calvin Johnson's single season yardage record,
they will stop the game. And if you get any
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of the other records, they'll stop the game for you. Unfortunately,
all the records are held by Jerry Rice, and no
one's coming close. Jerry Rice one one hundred and ninety
seven career receiving touchdowns. Second place is Moss with one
fifty six. Highest active is Davante Adams at one seventeen.
(01:00:22):
To give you context for that, if you took Davante
Adams one seventeen and added Travis Kelcey's eighty two, you
would beat Rice by two touchdowns. Nobody's touching Rice's records,
So you don't have to worry about any of that,
Jamar Chase, quit whining. And so I just I can't this,
(01:00:46):
just can't. I couldn't believe these guys being like, we
didn't expect it, What did you expect? They just be
like third down. I can talk about this record all year.
All right, let's do the quick. Let's quickly get to
these other games.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Oh, Buccaneers defeat the Panthers, sixteen to fourteen didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Didn't matter. What a shameful end of season swoon by Tampa. Yeah,
and what a shameful preseason prediction by me had him
in the suit? Was super Bowl teams missed the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
That's that part is isn't great my two.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Super Bowl teams. Demons started the year off five and
three and six and one, and then finished the year
two and seven and one in eight respectively. Just just pathetic.
By the way, we're not talking draft today, but thanks
(01:01:48):
to that one and eight finish, the Chiefs are drafting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Ninth. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Jeeves got a better draft pick than the Bengals. Burrow
miss half the year. It's really remarkable, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Next, Falcons defeat the Saints nineteen to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, that won the Panthers their division. Might have cost
Tyler Schuck Offensive Rookie of the Year, and it wasn't
enough for Raheem Morris to keep his job. I thought
that was a curious firing, by the way, firing. Raheem
finished eight to nine, finished tied for division lead. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Next, Raiders defeat the Chiefs fourteen to twelve. Do you
also think that's Kelsey's last game? Possibly?
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I don't want to talk about Kelsey thing because I
don't know, and we've talked like we've talked about it before.
It's a good thing. De mon say, I don't have
a league MVP ballot because my ballot would read number one,
Matt Stafford number two, Drake May number three, Trevor Lawrence
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number four, Christian McCaffrey number five. After seeing the Kansasity
Chiefs lose to the Tennessee Titans and not score a touchdown,
lose to the Denver Broncos and score one touchdown, and
(01:03:17):
lose to the Las Vegas Raiders and not score a touchdown,
my fifth most Valuable Player of the League of twenty
twenty five would have been Patrick Mahomes because holy shit,
have you ever seen a worse offense than this team?
Without my God, just instantly, just snap became the worst
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team in the league. That the Raiders lost to the Titans,
I mean just instantly became impossibly like couldn't get yards,
just could do nothing. It just the it's really unbelievable
if you look at what the Chiefs did those final
three games. I'm just gonna tell it to you real quick.
(01:04:01):
Against the Tennessee Titans, who are awful, the Chiefs ran
forty three plays for one hundred and thirty yards, had
nine first downs converted one third down. Against the Denver Broncos,
(01:04:22):
who admittedly have a very good defense, the Chiefs ran
I was looking at that, I was like, no, oh wow,
no wrong stat forty two plays for one hundred and
thirty nine yards. So again, the first game they had
one hundred and thirty three yards, the second game they
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had one hundred and thirty nine yards. And against the
and against the Las Vegas Raiders, the Chiefs ran sixty
two plays, a lot of plays for one hundred and
sixty eight yards. They averaged three yards per play without Mahomes.
(01:05:05):
I'm not acting like there were some juggernaut this year
with him, but.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
My god, it is the only games that they had
after Patrick went out really did shine a light because opponents, Yeah,
my god, next Jaguars defeat the Titans forty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Listen, we the Trevor's just been on such a heater,
and now we get Bill's Jags in round one, and
I you know what I was gonna say, I'm just
saying it right now. I believe the winner of that
game is gonna go to the super Bowl. That's my pick.
(01:05:47):
Winner of Bill's Jags goes to the super Bowl. We'll
have the the but we'll talk a lot more about
that on Thursday. Also, So Thursday we'll do our playoff preview.
Friday will do our playoff gambling show end, our preseason
over unders recap, and our preseason gambling show recap where
(01:06:10):
I compiled it. I compiled it this morning, and you
will see the real integrity of this show because we
pay the big on this show. So all of that
coming up later this week. Let's get to these other
games quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Texans defeat the Colts thirty eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Weird game because the Texans wanted to win it, but
then bench CJ. Stroud they wanted anyway. The Colts kept
it close.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Next, Vikings defeat the Packers sixteen to three.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
The Packers did not care about winning this game. The Packers, however,
here's the thing. Matt Lafour last year with Aaron Rodgers,
they are playing in week seven to eighteen to win
and be the seventh seed. They lost The next year
(01:06:59):
the Green Bay with Jordan Love were the seventh seed.
The next year, the Green Bay Packers with Jordan Love
were the seventh seed. This year, the Green Bay Packers
with Jordan Love are the seventh seed. They nobody has
benefited from this expanded playoff field more than Matt Lafleur,
who I think objectedly is a good coach. But there's
(01:07:19):
a seventh seed every year. Last year with the Rogers,
they they just barely missed out on it, and then
each of the last three years they were the seventh seed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Next Giants to feed the Cowboys thirty four to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Nobody listen, Jackson Dart doesn't the Giants. Jackson Dart most
nobly was like, Man, I'm ruining our draft pick. You
don't even think about drafts. And Fernando Mendoza, we're gonna
beat the Raiders, that we're gonna beat the Cowboys and
we're gonna fall. You're gonna draft me an offensive lineman
and like it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Next uh, the Commanders defeat Eagles twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
So that's noteworthy because the Lions ended up beating the
Bears in another game where the Bears offense was non
existent for three quarters, came alive late, but it happened
to not be enough because the Bears lost. If the
Eagles had won, they would be the two seed. And
the Eagles rested all their guys and thought they could
win anyway and lost, And that to me matters. Like
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the Eagles, Sirianni's never lost a playoff game at home.
He's also never won a playoff game on the road.
That's Hey and Jalen, So that is interesting that they
have set it up to where round two they're on
the road. If they win and the Bears win.
Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Next is so we got lines defeating the Bears nineteen
to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, that was kind of included in what I just did.
Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Broncos defeat Chargers nineteen to three.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Chargers backups, Broncos defense, you know, made Trey Lance look bad.
I'd be a little squeamish about how bo Nicks is
going into the playoffs. So it was awesome against Green Bay.
In the three games since then, two touchdowns, two picks,
a seventy nine rating, and bo Nicks, I understand he's
(01:09:13):
been clutch, but the final half of the year ten touchdowns,
six picks and eighty five rating, And if you remove
this is wildly unfair. You can't remove it, but I'm
just saying, if you remove the Green Bay game. Over
the final half of the season, bow Knicks in eight
(01:09:38):
games has six touchdowns, six picks, and a passer rating
in the seventies. Not great, and that would make me
a little nervous. But they get into the playoffs healthy.
They're the one seed, that's what matters. And the Bills
beat the Jets with their backups in a game where no, yeah,
(01:10:01):
the Jets went the whole season without an interception, which
is just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Fall into an interception.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
It's impossible to believe. Also, it is not lost on
me when I am you know, making the Matt stafford.
Is the league MVP case that Drake may against the
Jets throws for two point fifty five touchdowns, no picks,
(01:10:30):
and the very next week, Mitch Trubisky against the Jets
throws for two point fifty four touchdowns no picks. Again,
I think Drake May ad an unbelievable season, but those
Jets games are doing a lot of the statistical heavy
lifting for his MVP case. Bitch. Sorry, just just is
(01:10:57):
what it is. The go to Felix's question on this
real quick Demanse Felix.
Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Felix as, why does Drake May not get more credit
for turning the Patriots around? Stafford and the Rams were
already very good last year and won two more games
than last year. The Pats won ten more.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I I keep seeing people ask that type of question.
I don't That question is written and asked as if
Drake May was not on the Patriots last year. He was,
he got a lot better, No doubt, he's been awesome
this year. But you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
The rookie season though.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I get it when you.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Say, but when they're like he turned them around, that
to me applies for Vrabel and Coach of the Year,
like they were awful. Rabel came there, cleaned them all up,
like you know, and Josh McDaniel's all that. I just
the I so Drake, And again, this is the last
thing I want to say about the MVP thing. Saying
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someone is not the league MVP is not denying them credit.
Saying I don't think you deserved the single highest honor
the league gives out is not saying is not depriving
someone of credit. And so if I said he's overrated,
if I said he's not a Pro Bowl, or if
I said he's not, you know, in the top three
(01:12:29):
of MVP, that would be depriving him of credit. I
just think Stafford had the better year. That's all. Go
to Jeremy's question.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Jeremy asked, what do you think would be an ideal
Super Bowl for the NFL Bills Bears?
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Question Mark, I think the NFL the ideal super Bowl
definitely involves the Bills with you know what a close
second of the Bills is in the AFC. From the
NFL's perspective, demands is the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Oh, the Steelers, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Well, because they are a prestige franchising March following and
Rogers it's not that big of a market. It's just auge,
you know, a historic team with a huge following in Rogers.
But Bill's would be one. And on the other side,
I think the NFL would be probably equally pleased with
(01:13:28):
Bill's Rams or Bill's Eagles with from the NFL's perspective,
nout from ratings, okay, the and I I think Bill's.
(01:13:51):
I think Bill's Rams or Bill's Eagles would be the
league's top choice, with Bill's Bears being third. I think
the nut for the league. If we're removing Carolina as
any possibility. As far as the Super Bowl matchups that
could actually happen, that would be the least sexy is
(01:14:12):
one that I think is really on the board. Seahawks Jaggs.
I think Seahawks Jacks really could happen, and probably as
the least casual appeal. But again it's the super Bowl.
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when I introduce we slide the camera over Demanse. Demanse
is not here at the moment, and there are two
possible explanations for that. One is he knew we were
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going to start the show discussing another just gut wrenching,
horrifying Ravens loss to end an otherwise promising season. The
other explanation is, for the first time in the four
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plus years he's been doing this show in the two
years he's been doing this show from Los Angeles, Demonse
brand new father of an eleven week gold or no
sorry incorrect, seven week old eight week old to be exact,
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for the first time overslept and is running late. Now.
Typically I would just cover for him and say it's
the Ravens, and I might have even told him and
I talked to him. Don't worry. I'm just gonna say
you're too emotionally distraught to discuss the Ravens side of it. However,
I think it is even more relatable and endearing to
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know that we are about to see a bleary eyed
on you know, something like ninety minutes, sleep up with
a new born, all night demands. When he rolls into
the studio in the next fifteen or twenty minutes, I'd
have given him the day off, he said, no, I
gotta be there, so he'll be here shortly to discuss
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what is going to be an unbelievable NFL wild Card
weekend and a open postseason. Before we get to all
of that, though, straight to voicemail brought to you by
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working on a trade. This is not surprising. And again
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my three way Southeastern point guard, much maligned Southeastern point
guard trade of Trey John Lamello that has been sitting
there that I've talked about for more than a year
is still there. Matta is Fia backs Dylan Brooks. That's fine.
Folks talking about Dylan Brooks as if he's a legitimate
All Star, and folks determining that if Dylan Brooks and
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first of all, you Boogey Cousins trade ideas are outrageous,
you wouldn't trade Austin Reeves for Dylan Brooks first of all.
Second of all, the idea. This is now just like
last year, people were like, won't people think about who
was the Norman Powell if Lebron James got an All
Star bitten didn't play. Now folks are trying to discuss
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as if Lebron James shouldn't be on the All Star team,
and go check Kobe and Mike's stats their final All
Star years and get back to me if we're talking
about who should and shouldn't be on All Star teams,
and also if Lebron weren't on there, Dylan Brooks is
not the first guy out and last, but not least,
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you guys, wrote brew Ouce Nick as a shoeless flyer,
Here's the deal. Wilds outed me as this months ago,
and I want to be very clear I have no
qualms or shame in that whatsoever. I wear fresh, brand
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new out of the package socks, nice shoes, and when
I get on a plane, I very often take my
shoes off, and so damn neara health thing. Ankles can
swell gets. Seriously, I've heard up there a man of
my age, I don't take my socks off. That would
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be abhorrent, and I don't have and I have brand
I make sure I wear brand new socks. I have
no shame in that whatsoever. Now time for the actual show.
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guys subscribe there as well. Okay, the Steelers beat the
Ravens in just an epic final game two seventy two
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of the twenty twenty five NFL season. And before I
get to how seriously I'm taking the steel the real
story is, of course, this season from Baltimore, and the
developing story is that at the moment, it's ten forty
five am Eastern on January sixth, what was happening five
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years ago today at this time, it's ten forty five
eastern six years ago at this time, I should say,
and John Harbaugh still has a job. So right now
it's status quo in Baltimore, and we'll get into that
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piece of it as well. But first I do want
to show actual empathy, and I mean this. This isn't
tongue in cheek. This isn't me being a smart ass,
this isn't me doing any It's subtle. I told you
so stuff about Lamar, who had such an interesting game
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Sunday Night. But over the last ten years, it is
hard to find a franchise that it's dealt with more
end of season stomach punches than the Baltimore Ravens. And
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it's literally nine of the last ten years. So if
I may go through it just quickly, because this does
the Ravens because they've had such success compared to mediocre
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or bad franchises, and because they've got to two time
MVP and a coach people historically have really liked, and
they've won two Super Bowls this decade. I'm sorry this
century people don't look at them as like a curse
cursed franchise. But here are how the last ten seasons
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have ended in Baltimore. Twenty sixteen, the eight and six
Baltimore Ravens are playing the nine and five Pittsburgh Steelers.
It is on Sunday Night Football with the de facto
division title on the line. The Ravens have a three
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point lead. I don't know if it was a three
or a four point lead. I'm gonna check to get
because I want to make sure I have it right.
They have a three point lead with ten seven weeks left,
and Ben Roethlisberger throws just short of the goal line
to Antonio Brown, who gets hit and stopped and Pittsburgh
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has no timeouts. He stopped short of the goal line
and as he's going down, he turns around reaches the
ball over the back of his head touchdown division title.
Baltimore loses the next week and misses the postseason. The
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next year, Baltimore is in a win and in scenario
in Week seventeen against that got nothing to play for
Cincinnati Bengals and Andy Dalton. They have them in a
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fourth and twelve with forty seconds remaining, and the Bengals
hit a sixty plus yard game winning insane touchdown pass
to end the Ravens season. The next year is the
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one year the reason I said nine out of ten
with heartbreak, the one year that didn't end in heartbreak.
The next year, the team's not good throws a figurative
Hail Mary by going to Lamar Jackson at the mid
You know, late in the year, Lamar rips off a
bunch of wins, they sneak into the playoffs. They get
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absolutely crushed in round one. But you had real reason
for optimism. Didn't expect necessarily, you didn't expect to look
as bad as you did in Round one against the Chargers.
But whatever. But twenty sixteen, you lose a Week sixteen
game for the division in the final seconds. Twenty seventeen,
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you lose a winning you're in game on a fourth
and twelve to Andy Dalton. Twenty nineteen, you have the
number one seed, you have the unanimous MVP, and you
get dog walked by the Tennessee Titans in your first
playoff game. Twenty twenty, it is a ten to three snowy,
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cold weather defensive battle in the divisional round. You are
inside the ten yard line going in for the game
tying touchdown as the waning moments of the fourth quarter
approach of the third quarter. In the waning moments of
the third quarter, Lamar Jackson picks six. You lose the
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game right there. Twenty twenty one, you're eight and three.
Lamar Jackson gets banged up. His coach thinks he'll be
back soon. He never comes back. You finish eight to nine.
Twenty twenty two, you're having another solid year. You're nine
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to four. Lamar Jackson gets banged up, his coach thinks
he's coming back. You limp to the finish line, but
make the playoffs anyway, and you're seventeen to seventeen in
a playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals with Tyler Huntley
at quarterback. You're on the goal line. You run a
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quarterback sneak fumble return touchdown ninety nine yards. Lose that
playoff game. Twenty twenty three, you're the number one seed again.
You have a home playoff game. You're the number one
DVOA team, the number one DVOA defense. You have the
MVP of the league at quarterback. You turn the ball
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over three times in that game, including a goal line
fumble by Isaay Flowers an end zone pick by Lamar Jackson.
You lose seventeen to seven. Twenty twenty four. Lamar is
the best year of his career, arguably despite not winning MVP.
You get the Buffalo Bills again. You have a furious
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second half comeback culminating in a two point conversion attempt
to a wide open Mark Andrewsy fumbles. And twenty twenty five,
you have a season from hell, but you can make
up for all of it by beating your hated rival
Pittsburgh Steelers. And you have another unbelievable fourth quarter by Lamar,
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including a fourth and seven conversion to Isaiah likely to
give you a chip shot field goal, and your rookie
kicker Tyler loop Gaxit. That is nine out of ten
years of utter heartbreak, and the one year that was
not included in the heartbreak was getting just annihilated in
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a playoff game Lamar's rookie season. That is torture. And
I got real empathy for Ravens fans, honestly, and it's
one of the reasons I'm so surprised John Harbaugh's still
the coach, because even if that's not his fault, there's
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too much scar tissue at this point and it sure
feels like a change needs to be made now. On
the game itself, how do we evaluate Lamar's play such
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a weird game because for the first three quarters and
Collinsworth set it on the broadcast early in the fourth quarter,
Lamar was five of ten for sixty seven yards and
wasn't running the ball and had done nothing. And then
in the fourth quarter he played the best quarter of
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his life, including two of the best plays of his
entire career, the two free rushers sandwiching him, him him
avoiding that sack, and then hitting Zay Flowers on a
fifty plus yard touchdown. As amazing as that was, I
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don't know if that was a better play than the
fourth and seven season on the line, perfect throw and
even better catch by likely to set up the chip
shot field goal. So Lamar he in sports, it doesn't
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matter how big of a hole you dig yourself. Ask
my guy Trevor with his foreign interception playoff game, if
your brilliance digs you out of it. The last two years,
the game ending losses for Baltimore, it is felt like
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Lamar helped dig them a big hole and then dug
them this close to out of it with brilliant play,
and then mistakes by other people cost him the full vindication.
Mark Andrews cost him a shot at overtime and Tyler
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loop cost him a win. But how do we do
the math on that? It be ridiculous to pin the
loss on Lamar, but it would also be ridiculous to
give him credit for coming through in a game that
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they lost, and in part they lost because in the
Bills game last year and the Steelers game this year
really really shaky first half performances including a turnover or
in the Bills game, a couple turnovers. So that part
is hard to parse and history probably won't remember the
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details as much as more big games that the Ravens
were favored in. And that's the other piece that I
didn't even mentioned in this Favored in that game against
the Chiefs, favored in the game against the Bills, favored
in the game against Pittsburgh, lost loss loss. Now, the
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very end of the game, should John Harbaugh have attempted
to put Tyler Loop in a better position? The easy
answer is yes, why didn't he? The uncomfortable answer is
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because Derrick Henry had a fumbling problem this year, and
all of that matters. The fact that the Ravens moved
on from Justin Tucker to a rookie kicker mattered this year.
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The fact that Derrick Henry fumbled early in the year
and seemed to be in his head about it, despite
how brilliant he was. If it wasn't in his head,
it wasn't Harball's because you at fourteen seconds, you had
one time out, and you were staring at a forty
one yard field goal in the toughest stadium to kick
in the sport. And instead of asking Derrick Henry to
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make it a thirty five yard field goal or maybe
a zero yard field goal if he pops one, you
made it a forty four yard field goal because you
don't want to risk the turnover. Also, Lamar told us
that not long before Tyler looped, and I don't know
if Harbaugh knew this. Not long before Tyler loop goes
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to take the kick that will define his entire NFL career,
most likely Lamar flipped out on him on the sidelines.
He kicked the ball out of bounds. That's got to
be tough for the rookie kicker. I don't know how
confident he was walking into that kick, and we only
the cameras didn't catch that. Lamar told us that after
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the game. But ultimately the reason the Ravens lost was
because they were not a good team this year. They
were an eight to nine team. In every fashion, they
had moments of brilliant defense and moments of horrific defense.
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And that was over the course of the season, and
in the final game of the year, their quarterback had
moments of brilliant play and moments of the shakiest play
of his career. That was all season, and in Week eighteen.
They were coached by a special teams coach, and the
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special teams were shaky throughout the season, and then they
lost it for him in Week eighteen. That was not
a great football team, and that was not a team that,
had they won, they were gonna be super Dans, even
though people tried to convince themselves they would be. That
was a team that needed the Cleveland Browns and Shardoor
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Sanders to win a Week seventeen game just to make
Week eighteen matter for them. And so why will this
team be different next year? Well, right now, as I
keep checking my phone for an update, it doesn't look
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like they're going to be. Which Lamar was asked after
the game if he wants Harbaugh back next year, and
he said, I can't focus on that right now. We
just lost, which is a damning and telling answer. And
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I have been of the informed belief that Lamar is
over John Harbaugh. Lamar's answered to that question just furthered
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that belief, which again is not naked speculation. And if
I were the Ravens, I'd almost always picked the player
over the coach. It doesn't seem like they have any
interest in moving on from Lamar, so I just assumed
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they knew they had to move on from Harball. And again,
by the time you listen to this, maybe that will
have happened, but it has not happened yet. And the
Lamar contract situation becomes very tricky because he has got
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two years left on what is now a drastically under
market deal that averages fifty two million dollars a year,
the top of the market's now sixty. Also, they need
to rework that deal because it's got a cap hit
of seventy five million dollars next year and the year after,
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which is completely untenable. And Lamar, who turns twenty nine
tomorrow and is coming off his worst year as a
pro and a year with five injuries, is going to
want a top of market, fully guaranteed contract. And if
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the Ravens keep John harm what was already going to
be a very tough contract negotiation for the Baltimore Ravens
With Lamar, I think we'll get that much tougher. So
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I don't want to spend too much time right now
on the Lamar future Harball future angle, just because I
still feel like this could become dated in hours, because
I still feel like the Ravens are probably moving on
from Harball, but it hasn't happened yet. We will get
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Demands's thoughts on this, and I will explain why I
think the Steelers are an actual threat in just a moment.
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Demons is here, pal. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I'm good. How you doing, Pops?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I'm doing well?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Uh weird day.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Your baby is fat man.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
She's a big baby. Yeah, you keep.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
These pictures you sent me or you're Maddie sent me
last night. I mean she's she's approaching her two month birthday.
She is a chunky, gorgeous baby. Please thank Maddie for
those pictures. Because of the time difference, I didn't I
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didn't respond.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Immediately the but good to see you, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
How are you dealing doing with and dealing with the
Raven's loss?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, it's it's unfortunate. I would have never seen
it coming down to to our new kicker. But I
can't blame it on the guy. I think Lamar Lamar
did well and I think in a big time spot.
I think I love that likely caught a pass to
keep us in it, having the year that he's had.
But and I also think, you know, the Lamar not
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being able to comment on Harball after the game probably
means that he's more out on him than he is
in But uh well, yeah, it's it's unfortunate way to
go out. But they fought, they fought, But yeah, it's
it's tough.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I want to say one thing to the audience on
Lamar being out on Harball more out than it Okay,
and I shouldn't you know how they say like if
you have to explain a joke, it's not funny. Yep,
there is ah this I don't quite have my finger
on how to phrase this, but there's a sports talk
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version of that same lesson, okay that I'm going to
violate here when I have spent countless segments on this
show and on TV of pointing out the public record
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of the curious John Harbaugh Lamar Jackson relationship and the
uncertainty about injury status and the different disconnects, and shined
as bright of a light as I could have on
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that Mike Preston column, which was it might have all
been accurate, but still a hit piece on Lamar. Maybe, folks,
I'm doing that because there are certain elements to this
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story that I am not able to divulge publicly, but
that corroborate all of the what we would call circumstantial
evidence that there is a real problem with that relationship.
And so I keep trying to point at the at
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the at the publicly known things, right And another one
was of the publicly known things, was Lamar being asked
do you want your coach back? And him saying I
can't talk about this right now, because and Brew put
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this perfectly on the show yesterday, as distraught as he was.
If that question was, Hey, do you want Derrick Henry Back.
Do you think he would have Like, I can't talk
about that right now, exactly, Jamison. You can't ask me
that right now, of.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Course, not right. And I feel like you get into
those types of arguments with like your spouse or something,
and it's like, I don't want to talk about it
right now. It means that it's like the answer that's
more complicated.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Yeah, and so so I just I the Ravens keeping Harball,
if they do, Deman say, is a massive development. I
would argue the Ravens keeping him is a bigger story
than them firing him, okay, because I think the Ravens
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keeping Harball puts Lamar's future with the team in question,
and I think that I'm not again, I don't want
to spend too much time on that piece of it
right here, because I don't know. They might fire him
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today and then this all becomes moot. But if by
the time we're together on Thursday, Hardball still the coach,
that is still the biggest non playoff story. Now, just
quickly on the Steelers, if I may.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, contender, I think this, I say it again, content
you said they'd be a sneaky contender team in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Kinder is I don't think they could win four playoff games,
but I think they can beat the Texans. And this
was as weird and you guys, listen. I am not
an Aaron Rodgers guy, but I have to be fair
about what I'm seeing in the last five weeks. Save
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the Cleveland game, which was an abomination, he's been excellent.
They now get DK Metcalf back. They scored twenty six
against what had been a red hot for two months
Ravens defense, despite missing extra point and getting stuffed at
the one yard line that easily could have been a
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thirty point game for them. Gain Well is an excellent player.
Jalen Warren is an underrated player. TJ. Watt is back.
They are now home against a Texans team that has
not been great down the stretch, a Texans team that
just it's not they've been bad. It feels like they
peaked like Week fourteen fifteen ish and have been holding
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on to a degree. I I'm not dismissing Pittsburgh. I
did for the most of the year. I'm not dismissing
them at this point. I think you're dismissing them.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But I mean, I do think at the Texans is
where it would stop.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But yeah, if they again, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
They didn't even have DJ mecalf last week and they
they're getting them back. Got DK back why and then
some more rest with his lung.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
If if they beat the if they beat the Texans,
do I think they would have a shot going to Denver?
I would do. I think they would have a shot
if they ended up being the team that went to
New England. They already beat New England.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You don't think he can no early and so this
is a.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This is a take based purely on speculation. I think
there is a chance that we see in Aaron Rodgers
that is more willing to get hit once the playoffs start.
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That part of his quick, quick, quick, quick trigger was
I need I cannot right be injured for the postseason.
And you even saw in the second half of that
Ravens game. Yeah, he hung in there a little bit
longer and he ended up taking one big shot, scrambled down.
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He took one big shot, was grabbing his wrist and
that could be dangerous. And Houston's front is extraordinary. But
I think there's an element of he might be willing
to hang it, hang in there a little bit more
when he knows, in all likelihood, these are my last
playoff moments, and so I find that intriguing. All right,
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let's go to the NFC and Saturday Night's game.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
All right, Saturday Night, Donald and the Seahawks they secured
the one seed beating the Niners in that game. Donald
is back the postseason, back to back seasons with fourteen games,
the second quarterback, only second quarterback ever to do that.
You've been pretty high on them all year, but now
their favorites. How do you feel about them being Super
Bowl favorites?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, listen, I think it's a testament to that there
is no perfect team this year. That a I hate
to be this simplistic, but it is remarkable that a
team with Sam Donald as its quarterback can be the
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favorites to win the Super Bowl. And I know some
folks might be like Nick, what more does Darnald have
to prove back to back fourteen win seasons. Here is
here's the cold truth on Donald. He has not been
the same player since the first Rams game. First nine
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games of the year to monse a one to seven
team rating, one seventeen seven touchdowns, six picks, ten yards,
per attempt, just super elite play. Since that Rams game,
which we're talking about, eight games, eight touchdowns, eight picks,
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an eighty three rating, seven point two yards per attempt,
So the production has plummeted. And you might say, oh,
that's that one Rams game in there. If you take that,
if you just go after that, it's still in seven games,
eight touchdowns, four picks, a ninety one rating, seven point
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four yards per attempt. Darnold did not play well down
the stretch. That concerns me with that said, that team
is awesome, flatly awesome. The defense is great. Donald at
least is not. You know, he'll take shots, he plays
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with confidence. I think Mike McDonald is excellent, and right
now I I would pick the Rams to beat them,
but the Rams gotta get there and it's gonna be
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a tough path. Now, the Rams obviously should handle Carolina
in round one, but they lost in Carolina this year.
I mean, I think they'll win that game.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I don't think Carolina is better that they lost initially. Huh,
So maybe they won't overlook him this time because it's
the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I yes and no, yes, I understand that, but also
I don't think they're gonna overlook a playoff.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That the Seahawks finishing the way they did. And let
me say one other thing, because we talked about it
last week, Donald found himself in the exact same position
who was in last year winning be the one seed,
losing all to five, and they won. Now, that was
again a game much more about the Seahawks defense and
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what it did to Brock Purdy than it was about Donald.
But Donald didn't melt. And for the Niners, I think
that was a season is too. I don't want to
say season ending because I think they can win their
first playoff game, but I think the Niners needed to
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somehow steal that game against Seattle, get rest, get the
one seed, be in good weather at home to have
a real shot to find a way back to the
super Bowl. Now starting the playoffs in Philly, and then
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if you win that game, going either to Seattle or
to Los Angeles is just too much and so and
folks might be like, why are you not saying they
could go to Chicago because the sixth seed can't play
the two seed in round two of the playoffs. Everybody
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gets this confused about the NFL reseeding. It's also why
if you're a Pats fan the Pats, the way the
seeding fell, it's impossible for them to play Buffalo until
the conference championship game, which I'm If I'm the Pats,
I love because if the Pats win, then the seven
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seeds out the sixth seed, and if Buffalo wins, they
would be by definition, if the Pats have won, the
worst seed remaining, so they would go to Denver. So
the only thing that you know after about the round
(40:21):
two of the NFL Playoffs is that the three seed
cannot play the one seed in round two, and the
sixth seed cannot play the two seed in round two.
Obviously the two seed can't play the one seed round two.
So I'll say that again. When you're talking about potential
(40:42):
round two matchups, you know, no matter what, the two
or the three can't play the one, and the six
can never play the two. And I'll add one other thing,
if the seven wins, they all always play the one.
Those are the things you know about when the NFL
(41:04):
Playoffs are going to reseed. If that helps you think
about what potential round two matchups we could get.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
All right, let's talk MVP but a week ago it
seemed like MVP was locked up in May's favor. But
after another week of football and May and Stafford blowing
their two opponents out, Stafford is back at the lead
at minus one seventy and Drake is plus one forty five.
Does this surprise you that this happening?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
We can think, right, here's what surprised me. I think
the sports books screwed this up. The sports books to me,
acted with far too much confidence a week ago when
they had May like minus four hundred. This isn't something
(41:52):
that is easy to handicap without actually hearing from the voters.
It's fifty voters and you don't know what they're going
to value, and when it's a two man race, having
(42:12):
just the snap reaction. And this is to me going
to because we have talked about it all, you know,
all year long, and because we have discussed the odds
as if those are actually predictive in this marketplace, Folks
(42:35):
are I think going to be like man Stafford lighting
up the Cardinals one MMVP because they're going to assume
that Drake May was this huge leader after week seventeen
based on nothing other than it's where the sports book
set it, and when it comes to voting setting odds
(43:02):
for something that is done by a vote where there
is no polling, they're just guessing. And I said a
week ago, I spent a lot of time about how
I did not want MVP to become December Player of
the Month, and that's what it felt like. It was
leaning towards I think Matt Stafford is the rightful MVP,
(43:26):
and I don't think strength of schedule is everything. But
I also think that if the best argument may has
is we're the two seed and he's the five seed,
that's where strength of schedule to me, does matter, Like,
all right, if you flip their schedules, could the Rams
have won fourteen games in the Patriots of one twelve?
(43:48):
And then the the one seed versus five seed argument? Also,
if you're saying or two seed versus five seed, the
other truth is the Rams are not the five seed.
They're the one seed if they can hold a touchdown
(44:11):
in overtime lead against Seattle when Stafford's on the bench
the whole time, they're up thirty seven thirty in overtime,
and Stafford's the one seed if they hold that game.
And I just think Stafford's numbers against very stiff competition
(44:33):
are and I understand Drake May's got great numbers.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
A Drake makes better numbers than Stafford. I think up
until like a week or maybe two weeks ago, and
Stafford obviously had the harder schedule.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Can I can I just make this point, he still
does not have better numbers than Stafford. I understand that
some of the advanced metrics favored Drake May. But Matt
Stafford this year threw for forty seven hundred yards. Drake
May threw for forty four hundred yards. They both had
eight interceptions. Matt Stafford through fifteen more touchdowns. Matt Stafford
(45:12):
had forty six touchdowns. Drake May had thirty one. Now,
Drake May's passer rating is four points higher, he has
a higher yards per attempt, and he obviously has been
the more prolific rusher. He rushed for four point fifty
and four touchdowns, so total yards, he barely clips Stafford.
(45:36):
But even when you add the rushing touchdowns, Stafford has
eleven more. And it's the Internet's claiming Matt Stafford is
thirteen one yard touchdown passes. He does not. He has
eight one yard touchdown passes, and Drake may I believe
(45:56):
has four and the Rams were not a good power
running team. They needed to like It wasn't just like
stat patting, It was pretty sick. Throws to Devonte Adams
was the best way to score. I just guys, got
forty six touchdowns eight picks in the best division in
(46:16):
football against a really tough schedule. Is won the passing
title in yards by one p fifty and the passing
touchdown title by a dozen and only threw eight picks.
I don't I think it's Stafford. If it's may So
(46:41):
be it, it's not a travesty. But I think it's
Stafford and Demons real quick. Who do you think is
going to finish third? M Look at the smile on
(47:06):
my face and see if you can guess.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Oh, is it Trevor?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I think so. I think Trevor's going to finish third? Thirteen?
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Is that an accolades.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
It?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
For me?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
It is?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Honestly well, I was just about to say that third
and MVP is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Third and MVP is pretty sick.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
So they went thirteen and four. But more importantly than that,
Trevor Lawrence over the final six games of the season,
nineteen touchdowns, one turnover, and let me get this exactly right,
(47:53):
two hundred and ninety yards per game. Nineteen touchdowns, one turnover,
two hundred ninety yards per game. They finished the year
on an eight game winning streak. Pretty pretty unbelievable finishing kick.
They won the division. They went to Denver and kicked
the shit out of them. Yeah, the only like pretty
(48:16):
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let's talk a little black Monday lost jobs.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
We got the Raiders Falcons Browns and the Cardinals all
fired their coaches yesterday, and let's not forget the Giants
and Titans also fired their coaches earlier in the season.
Of those six openings, what do you think is the
most attractive job?
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I mean, those are some of the worst jobs in football. Yeah,
I mean, I think the Jets is the only like
job that's in contention that's to be worse than the Browns,
(49:37):
maybe Giants. I guess the Giants. But here the problem
with the Giants is this, Yes, they're a prestige franchise,
but Joe Shane stayed. I don't get that. And they
(49:57):
have since they fired Tom Coughlin. It's been ten seasons, Demonse.
They had Ben McAdoo who lasted a season and a half,
(50:18):
Pat Shermer two years, Joe Judge two years, Brian Dable
three and a half years. It's been a pretty quick trigger.
And I don't know if they do or don't have
(50:38):
the quarterback, and.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
So that is I feel like there's the most something there. Well,
I guess the Browns with shadur In chadur In h Dart,
I feel like are damn near the same thing. Huh.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
So I'm not a huge dart guy. I think he's
a bit of a knucklehead. Yeah, and maybe and maybe
Shadoor is going to with a full off season turn
into something. I know this is like not a popular take,
but again, I have to just be honest about what
(51:18):
we saw. Even by quarterback standards, Shador was really like
rookie quarterback standards, Shoudor really struggled. Shoudor finishes this year
amongst thirty seven qualifying quarterbacks, thirty third or worse in
(51:41):
passer rating QBR, touchdown interception ratio, completion percentage. He threw
for one hundred and seventy five yards per game, had
seven touchdowns, ten interceptions. I'm not sure how many lost fumbles,
a sixty eight rating and dead LAS nineteen point zero
(52:01):
QBR if you care about QBR that is. And the
Browns have the sixth pick, so I think maybe Shaudor
goes into next year as the incumbent. But I am
if Shaudor becomes a very high quality backup that is
(52:24):
a huge success as a fifth round pick. Like if
Shaudor becomes what's a good If Shador has Jacoby Brissette's career,
that is awesome, That is amazing, values a fifth round pick,
and that would be great for him.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
It is.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Surprising how many people, and maybe a'll end up being wrong,
how many people see bigger and better than that for him.
I don't, I don't. But also the Browns might you know,
might just not know what they're doing. Uh, But I
(53:12):
guess if I were power ranking the jobs, demanse, I
would go the Titans. Job is dependent on do you
believe in cam Ward. If you think cam Ward is
gonna be a star, then that's a good job. I'm
(53:33):
gonna go Giants one, I guess, Falcons two, Titans, three Cardinals,
four Raiders, five brown six. These are It's why maybe
this is why. I don't know if there's an argument
(53:57):
for Baltimore to keep Harbar or get rid of them.
They argument to get rid of it is you become
the best job available by ten country Miles. The argument
to keep him is if you fire him, you might
have to just hire Kevin Stefanski, who the Browns just fired.
So I don't even I don't know what you do.
(54:18):
Speaking of the Browns, let's get to Miles Garrett breaking
the sack record.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Miles Garrett broke the single sack record. On Sunday. Where
does this rank among the top pass rushing seasons you've
ever seen?
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Listen, I didn't see it. But Reggie White in nineteen
eighty seven had twenty one sacks, Demonse, he played twelve games,
So that to me is the best. And this is
right at us. Like twenty one sacks and twelve games
by Reggie White. It's just so sick. But Garrett doing
(54:54):
this for a team that always trailed, that didn't face.
It's the fewest pass it stempts for a team is
faced for a season in which they had a twenty
one plus SAT guy. He was also great against the run,
so I you know it is. I think it's the
best pure pass rushing season in thirty years. I'll go
(55:14):
at least that far. And what else do you have
on this name?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Do you think the Bengals will begin sore losers? When
when the Browns stopped the game to celebrate it.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
I I'm stupefied that the Bengals made a big deal
of this.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Well, like it's their they're in their division. Like, man,
we don't care about it.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, but the NFL suck. I mean it's the I
mean we got Zach Taylor's like, we're fighting for our life,
all this nonsense, Like, first of all, no, you're not.
Second of all, how are you not aware that they're
going to stop the game if he breaks this record.
There's only a handful of single season or career records
(56:07):
that are noteworthy. All time receiving yards, it's Jerry Rice,
it's never getting touched. All time rushing yards, it's emmittt Smith,
it's never getting touched. So you just like that's you
just don't have to worry about, Oh man, like what's
gonna happen if our team's involved in something like that? Like,
(56:29):
let me just tell you what those records are. Any
touchdown record, single season, rushing, receiving or career you don't
have to worry about either because you know what happens
after a touchdown. Game stops anyway, so like it's not
gonna happen in the flow of play. So there's it's
a very select few record Like career rushing yards. Emmett
(56:55):
has eighteen three hundred and fifty five. Second place is
Walter Payton at sixteen to seven. Highest active is Derrick
Henry at thirteen thousand. So Derrick Henry would need another
five thousand yards to break Emmett's record. I don't put
anything past Derrick Henry. I don't think that's happening. Derrick
(57:18):
Henry is thirty one years old. I don't think he's
giving you a thousand yard seasons in the age thirty six.
So that record seems pretty safe. By the way, if
you want to know an even safer record, Jerry Rice's
receiving yards, which is twenty two thousand and eight ninety five.
Second place is Larry Fitzgerald at seventeen thousand.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
And change was Larry.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
That's crazy, Yeah, he played for.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (57:48):
Most most active is DeAndre Hopkins, who has thirteen thousand.
He's more than nine thousand shy and I don't know
if you saw DeAndre Hopkins last two years with the
Chiefs and the Ravens, I don't think he's getting there.
Then it's Mike Evans at thirteen thousand, Travis Kelcey at
thirteen thousand. I don't think either one of those guys
(58:09):
is adding another ninety eight hundred, So that record seems safe.
The only records are oh, and let me what career
passing yards. Just so we're all on the same page,
it's Tom Brady at eighty nine thousand. Okay. The second
most is Drew Brees at eighty so he's nine thousand clear.
(58:33):
Aaron Rodgers is the highest active. He's at sixty six.
He's twenty three thousand away. Stafford's at sixty four. He's
twenty five thousand away. I think it's pretty safe. Highest
up on the list of a quarterback still in his prime.
Mahomes and Dak both have thirty five to nine, so
(58:53):
they both need fifty five thousand more. We don't have
to worry about that record for a while. So the
only records they can be broken where they might stop
a game are single season rushing Eric Dickerson. If Saquan
would have done it last year, they'd have stopped the game.
Single season receiving Calvin Johnson when he got it, they
(59:17):
stopped the game. Single season passing Peyton Manning he got
it on a touchdown pass, they stopped the game and
the sacks record, and when Strahan got it, they stopped
the game. Whiney baby Bengals and Jamar Chase being like
(59:38):
man and back into my career. They better when I
get ten catches or something, Buddy, I love you, Jamar Chase,
shut up. I promise you, Jamar Chase, I absolutely promise you.
If you ever break Calvin Johnson's single season yardage record,
they will stop the game. And if you get any
(59:59):
of the other records, they'll stop the game for you. Unfortunately,
all the records are held by Jerry Rice, and no
one's coming close. Jerry Rice one one hundred and ninety
seven career receiving touchdowns. Second place is Moss with one
fifty six. Highest active is Davante Adams at one seventeen.
(01:00:22):
To give you context for that, if you took Davante
Adams one seventeen and added Travis Kelcey's eighty two, you
would beat Rice by two touchdowns. Nobody's touching Rice's records,
So you don't have to worry about any of that,
Jamar Chase, quit whining. And so I just I can't this,
(01:00:46):
just can't. I couldn't believe these guys being like, we
didn't expect it, What did you expect? They just be
like third down. I can talk about this record all year.
All right, let's do the quick. Let's quickly get to
these other games.
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Oh, Buccaneers defeat the Panthers, sixteen to fourteen didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Didn't matter. What a shameful end of season swoon by Tampa. Yeah,
and what a shameful preseason prediction by me had him
in the suit? Was super Bowl teams missed the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
That's that part is isn't great my two.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Super Bowl teams. Demons started the year off five and
three and six and one, and then finished the year
two and seven and one in eight respectively. Just just pathetic.
By the way, we're not talking draft today, but thanks
(01:01:48):
to that one and eight finish, the Chiefs are drafting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Ninth. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Jeeves got a better draft pick than the Bengals. Burrow
miss half the year. It's really remarkable, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Next, Falcons defeat the Saints nineteen to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, that won the Panthers their division. Might have cost
Tyler Schuck Offensive Rookie of the Year, and it wasn't
enough for Raheem Morris to keep his job. I thought
that was a curious firing, by the way, firing. Raheem
finished eight to nine, finished tied for division lead. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Next, Raiders defeat the Chiefs fourteen to twelve. Do you
also think that's Kelsey's last game? Possibly?
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I don't want to talk about Kelsey thing because I
don't know, and we've talked like we've talked about it before.
It's a good thing. De mon say, I don't have
a league MVP ballot because my ballot would read number one,
Matt Stafford number two, Drake May number three, Trevor Lawrence
(01:02:56):
number four, Christian McCaffrey number five. After seeing the Kansasity
Chiefs lose to the Tennessee Titans and not score a touchdown,
lose to the Denver Broncos and score one touchdown, and
(01:03:17):
lose to the Las Vegas Raiders and not score a touchdown,
my fifth most Valuable Player of the League of twenty
twenty five would have been Patrick Mahomes because holy shit,
have you ever seen a worse offense than this team?
Without my God, just instantly, just snap became the worst
(01:03:38):
team in the league. That the Raiders lost to the Titans,
I mean just instantly became impossibly like couldn't get yards,
just could do nothing. It just the it's really unbelievable
if you look at what the Chiefs did those final
three games. I'm just gonna tell it to you real quick.
(01:04:01):
Against the Tennessee Titans, who are awful, the Chiefs ran
forty three plays for one hundred and thirty yards, had
nine first downs converted one third down. Against the Denver Broncos,
(01:04:22):
who admittedly have a very good defense, the Chiefs ran
I was looking at that, I was like, no, oh wow,
no wrong stat forty two plays for one hundred and
thirty nine yards. So again, the first game they had
one hundred and thirty three yards, the second game they
(01:04:43):
had one hundred and thirty nine yards. And against the
and against the Las Vegas Raiders, the Chiefs ran sixty
two plays, a lot of plays for one hundred and
sixty eight yards. They averaged three yards per play without Mahomes.
(01:05:05):
I'm not acting like there were some juggernaut this year
with him, but.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
My god, it is the only games that they had
after Patrick went out really did shine a light because opponents, Yeah,
my god, next Jaguars defeat the Titans forty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Listen, we the Trevor's just been on such a heater,
and now we get Bill's Jags in round one, and
I you know what I was gonna say, I'm just
saying it right now. I believe the winner of that
game is gonna go to the super Bowl. That's my pick.
(01:05:47):
Winner of Bill's Jags goes to the super Bowl. We'll
have the the but we'll talk a lot more about
that on Thursday. Also, So Thursday we'll do our playoff preview.
Friday will do our playoff gambling show end, our preseason
over unders recap, and our preseason gambling show recap where
(01:06:10):
I compiled it. I compiled it this morning, and you
will see the real integrity of this show because we
pay the big on this show. So all of that
coming up later this week. Let's get to these other
games quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Texans defeat the Colts thirty eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Weird game because the Texans wanted to win it, but
then bench CJ. Stroud they wanted anyway. The Colts kept
it close.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Next, Vikings defeat the Packers sixteen to three.
Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
The Packers did not care about winning this game. The Packers, however,
here's the thing. Matt Lafour last year with Aaron Rodgers,
they are playing in week seven to eighteen to win
and be the seventh seed. They lost The next year
(01:06:59):
the Green Bay with Jordan Love were the seventh seed.
The next year, the Green Bay Packers with Jordan Love
were the seventh seed. This year, the Green Bay Packers
with Jordan Love are the seventh seed. They nobody has
benefited from this expanded playoff field more than Matt Lafleur,
who I think objectedly is a good coach. But there's
(01:07:19):
a seventh seed every year. Last year with the Rogers,
they they just barely missed out on it, and then
each of the last three years they were the seventh seed.
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Next Giants to feed the Cowboys thirty four to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Nobody listen, Jackson Dart doesn't the Giants. Jackson Dart most
nobly was like, Man, I'm ruining our draft pick. You
don't even think about drafts. And Fernando Mendoza, we're gonna
beat the Raiders, that we're gonna beat the Cowboys and
we're gonna fall. You're gonna draft me an offensive lineman
and like it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Next uh, the Commanders defeat Eagles twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
So that's noteworthy because the Lions ended up beating the
Bears in another game where the Bears offense was non
existent for three quarters, came alive late, but it happened
to not be enough because the Bears lost. If the
Eagles had won, they would be the two seed. And
the Eagles rested all their guys and thought they could
win anyway and lost, And that to me matters. Like
(01:08:17):
the Eagles, Sirianni's never lost a playoff game at home.
He's also never won a playoff game on the road.
That's Hey and Jalen, So that is interesting that they
have set it up to where round two they're on
the road. If they win and the Bears win.
Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Next is so we got lines defeating the Bears nineteen
to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, that was kind of included in what I just did.
Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Broncos defeat Chargers nineteen to three.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Chargers backups, Broncos defense, you know, made Trey Lance look bad.
I'd be a little squeamish about how bo Nicks is
going into the playoffs. So it was awesome against Green Bay.
In the three games since then, two touchdowns, two picks,
a seventy nine rating, and bo Nicks, I understand he's
(01:09:13):
been clutch, but the final half of the year ten touchdowns,
six picks and eighty five rating, And if you remove
this is wildly unfair. You can't remove it, but I'm
just saying, if you remove the Green Bay game. Over
the final half of the season, bow Knicks in eight
(01:09:38):
games has six touchdowns, six picks, and a passer rating
in the seventies. Not great, and that would make me
a little nervous. But they get into the playoffs healthy.
They're the one seed, that's what matters. And the Bills
beat the Jets with their backups in a game where no, yeah,
(01:10:01):
the Jets went the whole season without an interception, which
is just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Fall into an interception.
Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
It's impossible to believe. Also, it is not lost on
me when I am you know, making the Matt stafford.
Is the league MVP case that Drake may against the
Jets throws for two point fifty five touchdowns, no picks,
(01:10:30):
and the very next week, Mitch Trubisky against the Jets
throws for two point fifty four touchdowns no picks. Again,
I think Drake May ad an unbelievable season, but those
Jets games are doing a lot of the statistical heavy
lifting for his MVP case. Bitch. Sorry, just just is
(01:10:57):
what it is. The go to Felix's question on this
real quick Demanse Felix.
Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Felix as, why does Drake May not get more credit
for turning the Patriots around? Stafford and the Rams were
already very good last year and won two more games
than last year. The Pats won ten more.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I I keep seeing people ask that type of question.
I don't That question is written and asked as if
Drake May was not on the Patriots last year. He was,
he got a lot better, No doubt, he's been awesome
this year. But you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
The rookie season though.
Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
I get it when you.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Say, but when they're like he turned them around, that
to me applies for Vrabel and Coach of the Year,
like they were awful. Rabel came there, cleaned them all up,
like you know, and Josh McDaniel's all that. I just
the I so Drake, And again, this is the last
thing I want to say about the MVP thing. Saying
(01:12:06):
someone is not the league MVP is not denying them credit.
Saying I don't think you deserved the single highest honor
the league gives out is not saying is not depriving
someone of credit. And so if I said he's overrated,
if I said he's not a Pro Bowl, or if
I said he's not, you know, in the top three
(01:12:29):
of MVP, that would be depriving him of credit. I
just think Stafford had the better year. That's all. Go
to Jeremy's question.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Jeremy asked, what do you think would be an ideal
Super Bowl for the NFL Bills Bears?
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Question Mark, I think the NFL the ideal super Bowl
definitely involves the Bills with you know what a close
second of the Bills is in the AFC. From the
NFL's perspective, demands is the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Oh, the Steelers, okay.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Well, because they are a prestige franchising March following and
Rogers it's not that big of a market. It's just auge,
you know, a historic team with a huge following in Rogers.
But Bill's would be one. And on the other side,
I think the NFL would be probably equally pleased with
(01:13:28):
Bill's Rams or Bill's Eagles with from the NFL's perspective,
nout from ratings, okay, the and I I think Bill's.
(01:13:51):
I think Bill's Rams or Bill's Eagles would be the
league's top choice, with Bill's Bears being third. I think
the nut for the league. If we're removing Carolina as
any possibility. As far as the Super Bowl matchups that
could actually happen, that would be the least sexy is
(01:14:12):
one that I think is really on the board. Seahawks Jaggs.
I think Seahawks Jacks really could happen, and probably as
the least casual appeal. But again it's the super Bowl.
Everybody watches, all right, Demanse, great job, thank you for
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