Bree Melanson

LeAnn welcomes intuitive and spirituality expert Bree Melanson to share her thoughts on expanding our own intuition to help tap into our own greater creativity and purpose.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hello, My Love's welcome to this very intuitive
episode of Holy Human with a very intuitive guest. Brima
Lanson is a spiritual facilitator with a surprisingly practical approach

(00:24):
to tapping into the transformative power of our true potential,
which is by tuning into our intuition. I think you'll
find her way of viewing our spirituality and purpose really unique,
refreshing and insightful. And she's here today to share her
wisdom with us all on Holy Human. Yeah, yeah, bring,

(01:12):
thank you so much, thank you for coming on here.
I'm so excited to talk to you because I've been
I've been dabbling in your work and your your offerings
for a while now. And yeah, it's just all of
your offerings seems so loving. There's just so much beautiful
energy behind them. Thank you. What a magnificent honor. And

(01:32):
uh yeah, I'm already gonna I'm just like, heads up,
this bee's gonna cry. Well, join the club, because it
happens all the time. I don't I just cried before
we got on here. I have a thing. I don't
know what it is. I usually go through some sort
of grief process before I get on a podcast. It's
really interesting for me, and it's just been I usually

(01:55):
went through. I used to go through a fear process
where I was just terrified, and now I've switched from
fear to grief. Cry for I mean, do you think
it's grief or do you because I mean, I We've
talked very briefly about this and I experienced it all
the time where I feel like there is a higher
love coming through in which my body short circuits, right,

(02:18):
and it's me processing that greater love, And it's part
of being the witness, right, And so I'm not I'm
not like I'm just asking. I mean maybe maybe you've
already identified it and you know that it's interesting. Well no,
so wow, that's really interesting for me because that happens
to me when I sing. There's a lot of emotion
that comes through, and I find myself crying often and

(02:42):
I try to stay out a judgment for that because
sometimes I feel like, oh, this is my unprocessed emotional
ship getting in the way of my job. And at
the same time, I know that is also how tapped
in and tuned and I am to emotion, And it's
just that openness of creativity that flows through is it

(03:04):
brings on, it brings on intense feelings and they just
I feel like that's part of what I'm here to share,
is that authenticity and to show people that it's okay,
it's okay to be in these feelings even when you're
yeah yeah, and maybe especially I mean, I I think,
you know, we're obviously so conditioned to stuff it like

(03:28):
the barrels of yourself for later and for like when later. Um,
but but this last couple of years, whatever shift I
am experiencing whenever I teach larger classes, especially if they're
you know, looking at me and I'm really in that moment,
I will ball and like, if you know you've come

(03:51):
to a couple of my classes, you know she's gonna cry.
But it's just it's from love. I feel. The other
thing that I consider sometimes, which may apply to this
as well, is I'm feeling the magnitude of maybe what
people in class will experience, but it's not conscious, right, like,

(04:13):
and because time really is an illusion and we're rooting
in the intention of whatever it is to make people
feel right, but not me right. I'm supposed to be
the wizard that doesn't feel anything right. So I really,
you know, learned to surrender to it because it just
wasn't an option, and it really gave permission. Other people

(04:36):
were like, yeah, I you know, gave them permission to
feel or cry or and then I make fun of
myself all the time, but then I'll cry on like
a big stupid baby. Like but it is, and it's
such an emotional release for people. I know when I sing,
when people are at my concerts, I am creating that
space for people to feel the things that they don't

(04:57):
normally feel. And music does that so well. Breath when
you're facilitating breath work, breath does that. And so it's
you really are creating that space. And like you're saying,
if you're holding that, it will come through you. You're like,
this is how it's done. Let her up. Maybe that's
a new ritual. Maybe maybe that's what's happening. I should

(05:18):
just roll with it. Well, now that I've talked about that,
let's wind up, backup, press second. How do how do
you explain what you do to people when they meet you,
Because sometimes it depends like I'll kind of, you know,
gauge it, but I also don't dance around it because
I've just over the years, I've just I've done too
much dancing. Yeah, and now I'm just rooted in it,

(05:41):
and I'm like, you could or leave it. And also
I've created a vibrational field where I don't encounter that
many people to where it's uncomfortable or they don't understand
or they don't believe or whatever it is, it's really interesting.
So I mean, I did readings for years, and even
when I did readings, I was like, you can see me, Frice,

(06:01):
And I was just like, because I wanted them to,
you know, and then call me when you have another
great shift in your life. But I didn't want to
be anybody to be dependent on me. If I can
do this, you can do this. And so I think
a larger part of my passion or maybe all of
it is supporting others and empowering others and accessing our

(06:27):
potential or access to a field that we all have
access to, just most of us have forgotten. And so
if I were to really basic it up, you know,
I'm a meditation teacher or um but usually you know
the nails, Yeah, I just say, well, I help people
to uh, you know, move past their blocks and and

(06:50):
reconnect with their inherent intuition and yeah, the self heal,
which we all have the capability of. Um, you find
do you find that when people? Do you find when
you say I'm a psychic medium or do you use
those words? Are people super triggered by that? Not anymore?
I think that's when I first started. I had to
fight for it because my beliefs were that right, Um,

(07:14):
And it was great because then it also it helped
me to stand more firm and not in a place
of any type of fighting against But if I'm holding it,
you don't really question it, right, If I'm wavering, I
think I've I've moved moved through that to where I
just like literally don't encounter it anymore, which is yeah,
just it's a trip. I love that. I love that

(07:38):
you're talking about holding holding our beliefs around what we
what we believe we are, Like, how do we when
we when we wanted to were wanting to move into
a space of true belief of the thing that we wanted,
the person that we are, but we feel like we're
not quite there yet, how do we start to really

(08:00):
move in that direction of of of belief around the
thing that we're not quite but really no we are.
Does that make sense? Give me an example. Is it
that I can embody? Yes, that I can embody? I mean, well,
for me, it's been interesting because I've been singing my
whole life and so I I used to have this

(08:22):
really powerful belief and I still do, of course, but
there's this something that shifted for me over the years,
this powerful belief that I could do anything. And I
had no question in my mind about what I can
do with my voice. And you know, going through life
UM and it's ups and downs, it got into my

(08:42):
mind that I was somehow less than and it that
was the one place in my life that the less
than like didn't creep in. UM was was my music,
and somehow along the way with all the ship I
went through publicly, it did. And so it's really been interesting,
you know, as that ego piece of me UM, which

(09:06):
I love and it serves its purpose, and I still
have to have it in order to do my job.
As that's kind of dissolved into UM and a deeper
sense of humanity has come into play. I'm finding myself
really towing the line between the two of those. And
when we need to step into our power and this
belief of I can do anything, I can be anything,

(09:27):
I can have anything. How do we step into that
more fully when we there's a piece of us that's
and I'm not so sure about that, I mean, and
that to me, the humanity of that piece it serves
so beautifully too, So we don't want to demonize that
other side of it. Yeah, tot, what I believe to
be true is that So if we're talking about that

(09:52):
resistance or doubt, right, usually it's in direct correlation from
which even a lot of times we're not conscious of it,
of where we're allowing the ego to be the motivation.
And again a lot of times it's not on the surface.
M And the same could be said as for our
suffering right or where we perceive to be lack in

(10:15):
our lives. Those are the areas in which the ego
is driving a little bit more. And as you've said, perfectly,
it's a vehicle for our expansion and we need it
and it's great, and let's celebrate the lee also love
that it's is it leally, let's love it. It's it's
land brake, you know, just still celebrate that essence of

(10:39):
the self and not yeah, and not try to totally
wipe it out because it is fun, it is glorious,
and it's allowed you to create a lot of things.
So you know, what I always like to take things
from is in a dualistic way. Is that perspective of
the ego and soul, and that can be love and fear,
and that can be you know, you can use a
lot of different words. You know. True, it's an illusion.

(11:01):
And so when we're looking at what we perceive an
issue and or something that we just want to shift.
So I'm gonna super quickly break down a process that's
that I feel that you could have kind of apply
to everything to get clarity and to embody because change
doesn't happen, right. We can know it. We can now

(11:21):
forgiveness is an act of self love. We can know
these things, but until we actually are able to root
in it, we don't. We can't transcend, right. We have
to pull forth that that higher knowing into us. So
when you're looking at the thing, the belief, the doubt,
the first step is just noticing that it's an invitation.

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And as you said, again, we don't want to look
at it as a problem and it's something that we
have to fix. And I'm so broken because because that's
what happens when we try to fix it. From the ego,
you're just in a wrestling match with the same sonsciousness
that I create. We're like we we love love totally.
But so realizing that okay, this is an invitation and

(12:04):
and that's essentially the choice, right, that is our power
of our will, which is our greatest power. We can
will the divine force that is within us, or we
can you know, continue to learn through the pattern and
will the ego, which again not bad, take as long
as we want, but noticing it as and this is

(12:24):
an invitation somehow. And then as soon as you begin
to switch that and change you know that inner dialogue
of whatever the story has been or life is happening
to me, you shift into empowerment. Essentially the transcendence can begin.
And so realizing it's an invitation to expand even more?

(12:46):
Can you imagine even more into your brilliance? Um, And
then the second step is the inquiry. So the other
thing about the ego that I have found most helpful,
and what I always like to offer, is that we
don't hold on to limitation for no reason. There's a

(13:07):
there's a payoff. Right, Everything in the frigan universe serves
a purpose, and so we just need to understand the
deeper purpose that it's serving, and we want to get
on board with the higher purpose. So the ego, because
it believes itself to be separate. It's the part that
you know, deviates from our wholeness and allows us to
co create. And that's great. We love it, we love

(13:29):
it's great, but it also is stuck in the constructs
of a linear world and therefore conditional world. So it's
obsessed with conditions. Right, I need that thing in order
to feel this. If I had that, then I'd be sued.
If they did this, then I know I love me.
So I like to call it to help switch. It

(13:50):
is the negotiator, and so just gently being aware of
not only how is my ego at play, not because
we tend to think that our like bondom beliefs are
that we're not worthy, but it's more so what the
ego is doing to negotiate its worth and or it's
conditional worth, or it's usually around love or safety, like
we think we have all these issues around money or
our body or our love or whatever. But it really

(14:12):
is quite simple and all those things are just their manifestations,
you know of kind of like the more root core beliefs.
So the roots, so the root core belief because I
have kind of believed and I think I still do
that my core beliefs are around here, I hear by affirmed, Well, yes,

(14:33):
but I think a lot of people's core beliefs are
does base around like I'm not good enough? So you're
saying and love and safety? What are we doing? So
I'm not good enough? So what do I have to
do to get the good enough? And that that's the
world of the ego. It's that love comes from outside

(14:54):
of us, safety comes from outside of us, everything comes
from outside of us. And therefore that's where limitations come from.
And so just gently considering because we know we are
not the ego. We know it. I don't care where
you are and your spiritual bad there is a place
inside of you. I like mumbles some names. I'm like no,

(15:15):
I was like, you know it well, but so so
not needing to make yourself wrong, but just taking that
gentle gaze of how is my ego um in negotiation?
So what does it believe that it has to do
in order to feel you know, um safe in the

(15:37):
world or whatever it is. And usually it's like around
approval or And so if you just look at the condition,
I mean, I'm not I don't want to like, I
don't mean to be like. And now we're gonna talk
about your childhood, that sounds good. But even if if
you weren't even just to like give it a really

(15:57):
general like take a stab at it, like I have
to blank in order to blank, so or the ego
I have to perform in order to be loved. Well,
she's I got it, baby luck. And it's been a
beautiful belief, like it's look what it's I mean, not
that you've created everything from that, but also yeah, it's

(16:18):
been a lot of it. And but that's what's so
beautiful and I think it's so interesting is there is
a gift in the wounding, Like there there you can
take that wounding and create beautiful things from it until
you can't, like, well, and it's not sustainable exactly because

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when are you ever going to get it right? Yeah? No, no,
one can never make us feel love, thank God. Yeah,
and then you receive it, you what you think is love.
You receive the for me, you know, using my own experience,
I received all the success in adoration, and then it's
like turns on you and then it's like, well, if

(17:02):
it's not coming for me up to me from out there,
then then I feel empty and that is the invitation
then to to create it from somewhere else. And then yes,
so you're saying, which I love this because I I'm
still in the understanding of creating it from the inside,

(17:22):
Like I still feel like, yeah, I mean that's true.
I still feel like though the you know, we talked
about being connected to something bigger, do you still feel
like that's on Like when I think of that, I
still feel like that's on the outside of me. And
it's so interesting that you were doing that with your
hand was something bigger people can't people at see when

(17:46):
I was going on the right side of my head,
it was like all my hand making a circle all
up in the air, and yeah, it does. It's very
that's a very childlike, I think thing for us to think,
especially when we've been raised in religion and all the
kind of stuff, that it's still still that love is
on the outside of us, right, Yeah, even God all
of it everything. Yeah, but so then that third step

(18:10):
is the shift and then you want to just try
on what would be the perspective of my soul or
my greater knowing or I was called God g O
D because I feel like it's like don't say the
D word or like there's just like people don't like it.
It's not trending. But like it doesn't mean we have
to be there in that moment. But when we when

(18:30):
we consider the soul and God, like all of these
things are for us to explore. I'm not like, this
is what your soul is and this is what God is.
It's like it's really a beautiful um like dance and
exercise to just look at you're So if we're looking
at the soul, it's like who you have always been,

(18:52):
the essence that has been you throughout even just this
body in time, it is that self and the essence
that you feel maybe after breathwork or you could even
just ask if I had a soul, when do I
feel the essence of my soul? A lot of times
it's going to be in nature, in creativity, when it
is not attached outcome, when you are in that flow

(19:16):
of creation and really feeling into defining your soul for
yourself and but essentially for all of us. It is
our unconditional essence. It is a part of us that
has not been conditioned and therefore is you know, the
ethereal and is all loving and is all knowing. Just

(19:37):
taking like a soft consideration is how what would my
soul know to be true within that? So we start
to just shift and just ask. And another way that
I like, beyond the spiritual stuff, you can just say,
which my guides said to me once where I was,
they're always dragging like dragged me. It's like always the
best loving way. But they said, what is true on

(20:00):
your perceptions of lack? Or what is true when you
take your identity out? They said, They've told me that before.
They said, take yourself out of the equation? And I said,
what do you mean? So when we're looking at that
piece around I have to perform to be loved or
feel loved? What what would your soul or God say

(20:25):
or see about that? What is the higher truth? Well,
I mean the first thing that comes to me is
that's what I am. I am love, So I can't
I don't have to perform to be anything. I am
the love I seek. I am the light I am
in reality, I am feeling the light that I am.

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When I am on stage, I am resonating truth so deeply.
I am feeling the reflection of all that I am.
I am feeling the oneness that is. And that's so huge.
I think a lot of us have a hard time
letting that in because I think a lot of people
can relate to the I need to perform to receive

(21:08):
love like that is said. I mean, then look at
look at social media, look at everywhere that's all around us.
Of performance. In order to feel, you know, we have
to wear the mask in order to to be liked
and um. But then we do get into these places
where we for me it's stage. For some people that

(21:28):
might be meditation, it might be creating art where we
do drop into this deeper sense of self. And I
know for me, one of the most challenging pieces in
my life right now is allowing that to fully come
into play, like to feel, to really embody the joy
that that brings or sometimes and I think also that's

(21:51):
why I cry so much on stage. It's like, holy
sh it, It's like this overwhelming force of love that
is joyful, and I'm like, I don't know what to
do with this, Like my nervous system doesn't know what
to do with it. I think people might get into
that space and almost resist the higher piece of them
because it's we've we've conditioned ourselves so deeply to feel

(22:14):
the suffering that that almost feels like baseline. Yeah. Yeah,
And because it's a linear well, first I want to
I'll go right back to the suffering, but before I forget,
my little brain a little hungry. Um. But those moments,
it's like how much is lean there? She's not? So

(22:35):
how could it be? You know what I mean? It's
like it is actually the most easiest thing is to
just be and to have that. You know. The other
thing I like to think of is like a references
when you think of how does your soul feel embodied?
You know, when we're and it may be in those moments.
It maybe when you're standing in front of a tree,

(22:57):
like and you're like basking in and you're like when
you have those moments where and you're so relaxed and
you're such in a state of being, that is our
natural state, and it's also the truth of every like
it's where truth lives, is where your soul lives. That
where it's where in tuition lives. It's like and our

(23:18):
ego is not there, and like and doesn't that give
us enough prove of you know, of how real that are? Are? Unreal?
Our suffering is if the present cannot hold it? How
because when you are fully present, your suffering is not
there because your ego isn't there, And so how real

(23:39):
can it be? But yes, you know, and even the
suffering is essentially the same. I have to I have
to be in lack in order to receive. I have
to be at love or you know, mostly love. Most
of love um or safety, right, like a sense of safety.

(23:59):
So it's just the other thing I like to think too,
about beliefs instead of taking ownership of them, because like
pain is nothing to take ownership of, it's something to feel.
We have to move through all of these things. But
it's just a linear concept, right, It's like, oh yeah,
I was like thinking that love came from other things

(24:20):
where I was believing in like this this linear perception
and then just looking at what is what we said
is you know, how would my soul see this? But
it could also be what is the unconditional truth of
this essence? You know, in this case, you're looking for love.
So if nobody ever told me what love was, how
would I define it? What are the moments when I

(24:43):
have felt the highest states of love? All right, I'm
gonna let that question sink in as we cut away
for a quick break, but we'll be right back with more.
Brie Melanson, welcome back, my love. Bree has just asked
me to share the moments when I have felt the

(25:04):
highest states of love. Wow for a second, Yeah, because
you know I love is something that I talk about often.
I know you talked about it often. And that's a
great question because I've really I have asked myself how
would I define it? But it's sometimes I have fine
words for it. It is if it's such a feeling,

(25:25):
but that's good. Then you have that anchor, right, you
have that you say then once you really maybe you're
visiting it and doing it in meditation, but you anchor
it in yourself and you're like, Okay, this is the
feeling of love. So in this so when then when
you go out into the world and we get you know,
it's all very enticing. The allusions um then if then

(25:51):
you use it as your anchor, just like truth, right,
because truths felt, it is, it is a it's it's
a it's similar to love or the essence of the
soul in that it is based in oneness. Right, what
is true is with a capital ty, like a divine
truth is going to be true to all beings, right,

(26:11):
that that had the higher truth and that is going
to be in the same kind of expanse of almost
like an expansiveness or a neutrality or knowing or yeah,
resonance with oneness. And so then you use that as
your anchor, be a truth or love. And then when
you go out into the world, Okay, now where am
I because of how I'm feeling? Where am I in

(26:36):
relation to truth and in awareness to that? You know,
our motions are just feedback. They're literally it's just information
about where we're standing in relation to our inherent truth.
And then we can look at oh, and then we
get to we get to use um our experience for
our expansion. It's like beyond in the mind are feeling

(27:00):
is okay, I'm feeling this, so I must have kiltered
off my truth and that's okay, And then you can
kind of go through this process truth all the time.
I mean, well, I mean doing here right. Well, you
know what. You know. What I've been playing around with
that I really love is I've been speaking of anchoring. UM.

(27:22):
I've been really finding what I call my home frequency,
which I think is the what I what I feel
like is very expansive UM. And I've been yeah, I've
been playing I wish, I wish it's there all the time. Yes,

(27:44):
I'm creating a home and I it is there all
the time that I do know, but I do venture
off from it all the time, and which we all do.
But it's a daily practice to start remembering to return to.
And some days, um, some days that expansive if it's
it feels like there's a cloud like it feels like

(28:06):
cloud cover, and I know that it's there, but it
seems so challenging to tap into because I have all
this emotional turmoil going on on the inside that it's
like I said, I know it's there, I can feel it,
but it's it's a little bit harder to come home.
And so that's been my new play that I've been

(28:28):
having with myself. What does my home frequency feel like?
And can I remember throughout the day, little touch in
points of trying to feel or I guess it wouldn't Yeah,
I guess it would be just remembering, remembering what that
feels like, right, And I think too when we are

(28:49):
feeling low to like stay away from the condition because
that's what the linear mine wants to do. It wants
to fix something, you know, with problem with another condition.
And so maybe it's a stepping stone and that's okay,
but can you relax enough into presence or observing beauty

(29:11):
or you know, it's like it's getting out of the
head and really into your body too. You know, I
always kind of joke, but it's really good because Tony
Robbins says it like he's like, if you're get in
your head, you're dead, you know, like the way you deliver,
just like you think of him like you it's like
getting back into the body, getting back into the present

(29:32):
and in truth and then approaching it later because again
that wrestling matches is not fun. Um what do you
what do you would you know? No, you say getting
back into the body. But I think for me and
I'm sure a lot of people out there too, like
the body sometimes doesn't feel safe. M m so, yes,
I understand the getting back into the body and getting

(29:55):
into presence. But sometimes for some of us who have
really store and a lot of trauma in the tissues
which most of us have um in some way, shape
or form like that, bodily feeling can be very uncomfortable,
which is why I just want to go back up
to my head and be like, I can exist here.
It's which easier, right, I'm like, how's that working out? No? No, no, no,

(30:19):
It's an infinite process. But I think also reframing um anything,
but it could be the body, because again we tend
to think that the soul lives out there, the soul
is also ingrained within the body, and our body is
actually our greatest anchor to truth. And when we feel anxiety,

(30:41):
that is a call back to presence. But what we
then do you know, Oh, the anxiety is a problem.
I don't know what it is. We're not taught how
to just have a conversation. And it's really amazing how
quickly the answers can come up to the surface. And
I don't say that because I say it, because I'm like,
I walk people through it, people that have never done

(31:03):
it before, and even me having like this head cold
the other day, I realized how I was giving my
body all the things. And then then I did a
meditation and I was writing. I just did some free writing, said, uh,
if my healing was the healing of God, I would
because I like to try that on if my body
was the body of God, if myself my emotions and

(31:23):
you just like you can play with it in meditation
and then also free right on it. And I just
saw that I was like treating my body as separate
like here body, that my healing wasn't a collaborative like experience.
I'm like, hello, l babe, you're a part of this.
When it comes to maybe reframing the emotions um and

(31:44):
remembering that there are no good and bad emotions. There
are unpleasant emotions, but those stored things are in there
to be felt and processed and turned into greater freedom.
And so even doing free riding around emotion that you
experience a lot, what would be the perspective of anxiety

(32:08):
from the perception of my soul? If you know, if
all emotions are in fact neutral information and feedback, how
is how is this emotion? Emotion and invitation? And sometimes
even just you'll be really surprised. It doesn't have to
be some great in depth visualization, but just literally holding

(32:33):
your heart or your belly or wherever you're feeling it
and taking some breaths and just saying what is it
that you need for me, my beloved or babe, and
just being really gentle and you may hear you know.
I did it the other day, just like not even
connected because I was from this cold. I've been able
to sleep, and then I was like watching something and

(32:53):
then I was like, I felt like my heart racing
and I was like, what is this? And then my
body was like this isn't relaxing, Like this doesn't count
as a relaxing because I'm like Netflix dad, And I
was like, oh okay, but I'm you know, I'm evade.
I'm essentially trying to evade the present. So I think, yeah,

(33:17):
seeing it as an invitation because I feel like, yeah,
we have stored things, but everything exists to serve our
ultimate expansion. So it's not like the body and you're
not saying this, but you know, it's not like the
body is storing things against us or oh no, it's
it's it's doing its job right, And yeah, they're freedom.

(33:43):
Would you like somehere freedom? All right? That would be great? Um,
And yeah, you're right. I mean everything, ultimately, what I
hear is everything is an invitation back into presence. And
I was just talking to my friend about this because
you know, I'm I'm prepping for a tour, and there's
like my whole life is planning, and I think there's
so many people out there, moms, like everybody's got to
plan something. You're looking ahead always in life, and I've

(34:09):
noticed in the last couple of days that I can
look ahead, but it's like I don't want to look
ahead and worry, and then I just get caught in
this loop of and then I'm so far out there
I'm not coming back into presence. And so it's it
really has been this dance of and that I still
yet to figure out how to plan and plan ahead

(34:31):
for my life. So I can you know, take care
of myself and be quote unquote safe as much as possible.
How can I control as much as possible in front
of me so that I that I don't feel uncomfortable
when I'm out there, and then come back into presence
when I'm done with it. I mean, I think that's
there's this like dance, and it's if I let myself

(34:52):
get too far out there, then I'm I'm screwed. I think, yeah,
maybe so that the last use of this process is
the expansion, which is essentially the embodiment. And it could
apply to this in different ways. So when we look
at like, how my soul to see this? You know
that I am love, that I am like, or that

(35:13):
I am held. If we're looking at okay, I have
a lot of you know, circulating thoughts about what could
happen or the worry or whatever it is, and so
you know, trying on the perspective of the soul in
regards to that, and what is true. What is true
is that I have always been held. What is true
is that when I let go, I can be carried.

(35:33):
What is true is that you know, what if you're
accessing that shift, that higher perception, and then what is
the embodiment of that in this moment or or today?
What would it look like two actualize that? I mean,
it could be like a list of things like sometimes

(35:55):
if I have this on my plate, the same feeling
of oh there's a lot going on, I will sit
and meditate and free right around what does it look
like if I were to see this day from from source,
from the light that I am from harmony? Then how
do I approach it? And then there's your clarity. Then

(36:16):
you get to let go of those other two dues
that you've just that you're bringing up right, you can
give yourself permission to let it go, or you're having
somebody else to take care of something, or you're whatever
it might be. But you get the clarity and what
that that embodiment is. Yeah, so I guess I would ask, like,
you know, even we've switched topics a little bit, but

(36:39):
they're all yeah, totally. So if you, yeah, if you
think about what you've been experiencing as you get ready,
what would your soul tell you? Like, what is the
truth about what is? See, here's where I'm like, I
feel like I have truth that wants to come about
what is and then I just don't want to believe it.

(37:02):
Resistant I mean, ultimately, ultimately I know I am. I
will be taken care of, Like I think that's no
matter where I go, like, I will I will be
taken care of. And that's been really coming up for
me loud and clear, and it's like I still want
to resist it. Well, tell me what, um, what makes

(37:27):
it easier? So I'm like, I have the answer in
my head, but I like for you to try it on. UM.
I'm able to trust more when I'm carried, when I
or when I'm blank, everything works out trust and when

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I'm trusted, when I'm in trust, when I'm surrendered. M
And what helps you to be in that space? UM?
I mean ultimately that home frequency of expansion, that is
the trust in that is what helps me be in
that space. Yeah. And I think also, um, the intention,

(38:10):
What is my intention when we're when we're dropped in
the what you said for sure, because it's in there.
But the purity of service when I am in service,
it's like how much do we which is the same
thing to say is when I come from my honing
home or you know, from my soul, right, But what

(38:30):
does it look like for me to be in service
in this day? Which is really just like getting that
ego out the way. Maybe it's also just like listening
to that song get out the way exactly, but yeah,
just sitting with it and trying it on um. And

(38:51):
then yeah, what does this meeting look like? What is
this schedule look like, um, because I'm not suggesting to
be like whatever, you know, like your hell, well that's
what I That's interesting you say that because I think
when people hear surrender, and this is something we've been
talking about um a bit on this podcast through the

(39:12):
through the season as surrender, and when people, I know,
my little kid mind, sometimes when I hear that word,
it's like, oh, we just give everything up and and
just open arms and it'll all come. And I know
that's not the case. Like what is for you? What
is surrender? How does that take form? How do you
embody surrender in your life? Well? I think surrender is

(39:34):
giving up the fight, right, It's that what I know.
But it's not giving up the thing. It's giving up
the the linear and limited perceptions about the thing. Really quick.
When you when you talk about obviously know what linear

(39:56):
is linear perception? And then what's the opposite of that,
the more expansive perception like that kind of or the unconditional,
like what is the unconditional essence of this thing? And
then another way to look at it is still looking
at that ego soul. So if I'm like I really
want this thing, then I want to what am I

(40:16):
actually looking for through this thing or this person? And
I think it's the thing, but we know around and
will go to the next thing. So it's like, if
I can consider what is the deeper like unconditional truth
I'm actually searching for because it's what I want, it's
what I it's my great desire is yeah, is to

(40:38):
feel it and to embody it. And I'm actually never
going to get it through those conditions people whatever, And
so what does it look like then to embody that
in this moment, that higher knowing or that I am
love And yeah, you don't like snap your fingers. And
it is a process, but it's training. It's just a

(41:02):
reconditioning the mind right to be able to see it
for what it really is in reverence, Like you look
at kids and they're clear a f they're just like
magic and love and I love you and you and
you and you and they're just like and that's our
inherent being. We're not withholding because we're not in fear.
Love is and I give you all love and there's

(41:24):
play of where that came from, right, And so yeah,
I think it's also easier to look at what concept
can I let go of versus letting go of this
thing that I really really want, because it doesn't mean
that you have to let go of that. It just
means it can probably be greater, easier, greater. Yeah, I

(41:45):
love giving up the fight because I've noticed recently that
that is the fight. I felt like I've had to
fight for everything my whole life. And so there's this
real deep belief and I think a lot of people
will do, you know, with this the sense of lack
and the need to always wrestle with life. Because for me,

(42:07):
it's like, oh, if I fight for it, then I
I know or I think that I've really accomplished something.
If it comes easy to me, then I haven't accomplished anything.
Like there's always has to be some kind of hurdle
to get over in order to feel like I've worked
for it. Right, And what a beautiful thing too, to

(42:29):
move past and to honor again like um, loving that
belief into oblivion like thank you, like belove it like you,
just because again it needs it's got a purpose. It's
like you want to feel worthy of receiving, okay, like
and so then when we can shift the higher, we

(42:50):
can shift the purpose into like that higher perspective. Um,
because we know on some level that you know, abundance
has nothing to do with receiving or giving or you know,
necessarily hard work. But we love the journey, Like how
amazing has it been to like commit to things and
to do that work. It's not about just like laying

(43:11):
around and eating cheetos and like being like I don't
know a little work out, but um yeah, just looking
at how beautiful that's been and what it's created and
really loving it so that it can go, not like
because we want to get read to get ready of
our blacks, you know, like but just be like just
like love it, like sit in a meditation and or

(43:34):
do yoga class, like in adoration of of that what
we may have perceived as like a negative belief for
block and what beauty and just like honor it and
her and all the things that it's come from it.
And now what to like, um yeah, because I think
you know, when I when we surrender to our inherent self,

(44:00):
and maybe that's another way of looking at it. It's
like how do how do I surrender into my soul?
And because our soul and our inherent self is like
the tether too good co creative field, so that it's
gonna flow. Like you look at nature perfectly freaking balance,
like when we don't touch it, it is insane, like

(44:21):
to like the micro micro like it's just it's incredible.
And that is also our inherent state. And so surrendering
the struggle, surrendering into our inherent state so that we
can be guided and carried and so that we can
catch the inspiration that will be the shortcut, so that

(44:42):
we don't have to do all the things to get
to that one place right totally. It's interesting because I
think that's why a lot of people shy away from meditation,
and because we've been taught that like that's being surrendered
in a state of being is we're not doing anything,
and I know that we're not, but we are, like

(45:04):
there's so much to be done. That's one of the
things I've really learned about rest for myself and I'm
still learning it, is that there's so much going on
in the being state. And you know, we've we have
this condition mind around being with being in meditation and
this being state, and it's people just don't we don't

(45:24):
know how to be. We just don't know how to
sit in it honestly, Like I there's a I don't mean,
I don't want to be negative, but I'm like it
was on purpose because within the being is that incredible
co creative power. Like if you think about it, we

(45:45):
can understand it. Like as I just said, like the
souls are tethered to the co created field. It's what
actually creates. And then you look, you know, and you
see your doing self. You know, basically it just looks
like you're pushing around papers and organizing things and instead
of resting and being so that you catch Yeah, that
flow of inspiration that is a slight. It's a slight

(46:07):
doing all of our conditioning and all of the linear stuff.
You know, I have to do that to get This
keeps us away from the magic that we're like seeking
that we know is there, and we're like, well is
it in that person? Like is it in this money?
Is it? If we're like looking under all the things
like yeah, and and within that paradigm of thought, we're

(46:32):
kind of like, I don't want to say, wasting life force,
but it's And we are going to replenish here with
a brief pause, but we'll be right back in just
a minute. Hello again, my friends Brie and I were

(46:53):
discussing ways in which we hold ourselves in our creativity
back comparison judgment, because with the ego believes it's limited,
We're like, well, I need to judge them in order
to know I can have it, or you know, or
to feel better about myself. Yeah, totes, and it's all
this like undercurrent but um, yes, and that's how interesting.

(47:16):
The undercurrent is exhausting. I've always I will talk about,
you know, how thought forms, certain thoughts make us feel
certain things, that kind of loop that goes on. And
I've said to many of my therapist I'm like, it's
not for me. It's not a thought necessarily. It's like
an energetic current that has no I can I can

(47:39):
even be, I can be in meditation, and that current
can still be going through there and it is. It's
that's the exhausting part of it for me is that
there's this always this kind of this this current in
the background that has been created by many different thought forms.
But sometimes the thought form can go away and that

(48:00):
current can still be there and it's and that's yeah,
that's I think what I'm starting to play with with
that home frequency. It's like, Okay, how how do I
how do I get into a different current? Yeah? Yeah,
for sure. And so it's it's both. It's it's within
the being and then it's taking that thought just like
we're talking about with emotions and saying, hey, babe, what

(48:22):
do you got? What are you really looking for? At
which you need? Oh? You wanted this? You want That's
like that's at all that inner child work. It's like,
oh you are love like, bab you get totally got this.
And so when you're in a higher state to maybe
have a conversation with that thought or just have the
awareness of oh, I see it's a greater purpose now,

(48:43):
and then it can served that versus the the lower
vibrational yeah, because there is no like good or bad
or you know like higher lower really but yeah, just yeah, yeah,
there's a more productive well even that and I'm like,
there's a there's a gentler way that. Yeah. Then the heaviness,

(49:03):
So that can feel like that the current that we're
normally in and it is uncomfortable because we're not used
to it, but like don't feel good when we just
like relax into it. And I've really been playing with that,
like the past couple of years in like you know
flow or no, like you know, even if it's a
nice shiny opportunity, but it's not, it doesn't light me up,

(49:27):
and it feels like you dum be like you're not
going to say yes to this and yeah and then
be like now but then it's so wild to see
then what can come through and beyond that the doing
self like even you asking me to be on this

(49:47):
podcast and like and the same week, like I had,
I've spent a couple of weeks. Um, I'm not good
with um like medita, I'm like m meditation and I'm
usually I'm not consistent with it. But I did like
this twenty one day thing where I connected with myself
wow freaking wow, like so much opened up and so

(50:11):
much like serendipity where I was like looking around like
what the actual left and like within the week like
not you know, having practiced, I'm not going to reach
I'm not gonna I want to watch hone in on
my my light so that people can find me right
like instead of I love that. Yeah, just doing all

(50:33):
the things and reaching out and getting ready. I don't know,
like I haven't done anything to essentially grow my business.
And I'm not saying that's the greatest business advice, but
in this chapter, so anyway, you and then you asked
me to be on this, and then this like a
couple of days later, um, like TV producers contacted me
about and I was, and then there was like something else,

(50:54):
and I'm like, I love that though, I mean, I
love the growing your lights of that people can find you.
Like that's so powerful, so powerful, and when you think
about it from that perspective, like I think about rest,
like what my what is going on at a cellular
level on my body when that happened. Um, yeah, I

(51:15):
think there's a big reframe for all of us two
recognize that it is, you know, that internal light. The
more we grow that, the more we take care of ourselves,
Like the more the things that we truly desire are
they show up, Like they really do show up, and
you do have to you don't have to be too

(51:37):
I mean, like I know when I meditate and I'm consistent,
the things that just pop in, you know, constantly there's
pop pop in ideas and then things do just start
showing up and so much so that it does test
you on if it's not aligned are you going Are
you going to say no? Um? Which I I find

(51:58):
so interesting because it's like all these things can start
to show up and that you can start to feel like, oh,
I have to take if you've been in a if
you've been in a drought, or you've been in a
place where you haven't been tapped into are you feel
like you haven't been tapped into that? Um? It's so
easy to jump on the bandwagon of whatever shows up
in my life because it's an opportunity, you know. And

(52:19):
that's okay too, like however long it takes for us
to ye to learn, but um, yeah, and just I'm like,
just try universes Like try me though, why don't you
try it? It's like just give it a little bit
of a go and yeah, it is uncomfortable, and I think, Um,
the other thing that it is is doing it just

(52:42):
to be in flow, like because again the eagle will
like seep into end of greasy little hands on anything.
So it's like, oh, you want to do flow and
he goes like, let's do flow. So we didn't get
the thing and day but absolutely, yeah, just read my mind,
like let's go do this things so I can get
the thing totally and you will. But it's you know,

(53:05):
when you're in that state and you're actually in reverence
and in appreciation, it's like, what is richer than that? Zero?
Zero things are better than just being fully in that
presence and reverence for for what is? Because those other
highs are so quick, right, you're like totally, and then

(53:26):
the egos like, well let's evaluate. You're like okay, yeah,
well and then you all all you want is more
of that thing mostly yeah, and eventually runs out, Yeah,
it's tiring, it's tiring, and yeah, I'm so excited. Um,
I want to really follow and I'm going to I'm

(53:46):
gonna just keep following this path and see what happens
because it's like, yeah, it's so beautiful that trust, and yeah,
how else are we to actually learn it? Right? We're
like we want to attendance, like we want like flattering July.
And then we're like we're like, but we ain't gonna
let go of the way we were absolutely absolutely don't

(54:08):
you love I love that when you get re taught
the things in your life that you teach you know
what I mean, I think, and it just comes back
around all the time. Two, A new understanding, a deeper understanding,
and you know, when you step out of that for
a moment, it's like when you show back up in it,
like you you relearn in a new way all the

(54:31):
magic that's there. Yeah, it's really an infinite process. And
I l O l at myself all the time. It
go just like yeah, seeing myself struggling, and then I
let go and then things are provided and I feel
like the universe is like here are you stupid? Be
like when is this? Isn't this everything you wanted? And

(54:51):
more like, yeah, you gotta have a sense of humor
about it. I mean if you don't have a sense
of humor, then we're seriously speaking of lacking, like you know,
it would be it would be a horrible, horrible world
to not have a sense of humor about all of this.
And you know it's puny a material too, Oh for sure. Absolutely, Well,

(55:13):
thank you for coming on here. This is really fun.
I loved it. Like talking to you, I am go
ahead and I was just gonna be like you're amazing,
because you are, and I just uh yeah, I mean
it's really incredible too. I I I hope you give
yourself credit for being so young and being in the

(55:35):
limelight like that is hard. I think about that all
the time, people that have reached any level of fame
when they're young, like but they haven't even gotten their
footing and then they're in this arena. Um yeah, I
mean that is like some intense learning and you've really yeah,

(55:59):
just some n yeah go o D in your heart. Man. Yeah,
I think you're right about that. Um yeah. Someone asked
me the other day of like how I when I
was younger, Like how I We were talking about religion
and how I new to question things so young about

(56:21):
me feeling like there was this real sense of hypocrisy.
This is totally indifferent subject, but also bringing back to
what you just said, Um, there was. I felt like
there was a lot of hypocrisy in what I was seeing.
And I was like six and um someone asked me
what at that age like made me question things, and
I said, I think my heart, Like I believe it

(56:43):
was just it boils down to like, yeah, it was
just my my heart. The things that are there that
the and maybe it was the creativity and the creative
energy of you know, just being able to have this
voice so young that was I was able to touch
and up on it UM so deeply. UM. And I

(57:04):
I'm really more than ever, like I think, grateful for that,
so grateful for that piece of me because it really
does allow me even though I want to, like I
want to shut it off and shut it down sometimes
because it's like, oh I feel so much. It's UM,
it's such a it's such a beautiful piece. And I'm
I'm really grateful that it's taken me through hell and back.

(57:32):
And we will be back to wrap up my conversation
with Brie right after this break, Welcome back everyone. Brie
and I were just discussing going through discomfort to find
greater peace. Well, how else do you get to bless

(57:54):
you know? I was like, how does the awaken one
get to the other side? Well, yes, it's so true.
It's real, real talk. And I shared with you too
that I, you know, I had that vision of you
and that you know, all of us are essentially always
yearning for the light and yearning for that feeling of

(58:16):
um grace and oneness and God and it's in what
It's in everything that we look for and everything that
we desire UM, and you're just seeing that piece of you, Like, yeah,
that was your call, like that's the calling and then
through the voice. But I was like, oh my, yeah,
so beautiful. So the other day someone I saw someone
say that we have a God shaped whole in our heart,

(58:38):
we all do, and I thought that was so beautiful.
I'm like, because it's what basically you just said, it's
like getting we all want to fill that hole with
with something, but ultimately we're looking for that connection and
that feeling and that feeling of oneness. And I love
that idea of that is something that within the oneness
that we all, um we all connect did through is

(59:00):
this God shape whole. Hey, I have an album out
coming out called God's Work, so I totally understand the God.
Oh God, I just I just want to say it
all the time, gott got got got got God. It was.
I used to be so triggered by that, like growing
up the way I did and now and then like
there's a whole reclamation of that word for myself un

(59:25):
noticed too when I like, if I channel something and
then I go to like record it on those channel
transmissions or they're kind of like meditations, and sometimes when
I take the word got out, it just like it
feels so different It's so funny because I'll try to
replace it with like wholeness or source or and sometimes
I can, but I sometimes I and then I'll hear

(59:47):
it and I go, oh, baby, shouldn't just rest God?
Re insert God? Well? Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I have before you leave. I have. I always asked
my guests this, Um, I have something called the Holy Five,
which is all about music. So if you can hit
me up with like five songs either that you're loving

(01:00:08):
right now or that maybe over your lifetime, have become
your favorites, thank you. I loved this. It was so
cool to like think about it. You really understand a
person by doing this and like asking them their their
five songs. It's like and it's like such vulnerability. You're
like sharing a playlist. You're like, well, I guess this

(01:00:29):
is who I am. That says it does. It says
a lot about people, and that's why I love it
so much because I can learn a lot about people
on their music. I love it. I also like love
hip hop and like just like trapped, like Ratchet, and
I also like love like cheesy French and Spanish pop

(01:00:49):
and my it's all over the place. My first one
that I is not. I'm like, in no particular order.
Grace Land by Paul Simon, I, you know, going to Grace,
Grace for families, and we are going to Grace. I

(01:01:16):
don't think I know that's Oh, it's so good. It's
such a high vibe and I just yeah, it's it's joy. Um.
It also kind of reminds me of Elvis. Which do
you love Elvis? I was going to ask that obsessed.
I feel like all my soulmates are not on this
plane anymore. Like right, I can understand that feeling. That's amazing.

(01:01:38):
Into the Mystic by Van Morrison, just that went back
in the day of the move. Yeah, guess that's sweet. Yeah,
and it's also spiritual notes but keep it earthy and

(01:02:01):
Garth Brooks if Tomorrow never comes. I cry every damn
time I hear that song. If morow will you know
how much a dry every Some of those songs he

(01:02:22):
has are just heartbreaking that the dance like, I mean,
I love so many of his and I could be
interchangeable about that one, like yeah, that really rips muscle out,
and then partition might be once roll up the Partition please,
I don't need to your say on how niece took

(01:02:42):
What if I'm minutes took it? I'll just even oh
my God to scot have a running red listick mood, nice,
a moment, scorpio moment, Are you scorpio? Yeah? Yeah, and yeah.
I also used to have a burlesque company. Fun. Now

(01:03:06):
that's fun. And I've listened to this song an unhealthy
amount of times. It's called whole a lot of money,
A whole lot of money, A lot of money. Is
that the artist or is that the song? That's the song?
Is I put on my jury just to go to
the Botego and I keep it women to show that
I'm feeling safe for sending on my body. But my

(01:03:28):
feet is in Botego, which I'm getting money give a
funk about? Is that your manifestation song? Not like in
my bank account, but like that we are abundant. That's fun.
I'm gonna start. Yeah, okay, thank you for fun and
not easy and also an act of vulnerability. Yes, well,

(01:03:51):
thanks for sharing with us. I appreciate it. Wait, can
I ask you one question? Yes? Um, if you could
do a duet with any buddy dead or laugh all
those terms are relative, but right on this plane or not. Oh,
I don't know. That was so hard because it's like three,

(01:04:15):
because you don't want to offend anybody exactly. I don't
want them to hunt me in my dreams at night.
I mean I would always I've been compared to Patsy
Climb my whole life, so I think that would definitely
be one of them. Um, I'm gonna go with all
the dead people for a moment. So the other plane people, Um,
I would say, Um, oh my god, the who's the

(01:04:39):
guy from hold On? He was an audio slave. He
passed away a couple of years ago. Chris Cornell. I
don't know Chris Cornell. You don't know Chris Cornell, Chris
Christmas in um black holes Son, Well whence you come?
Sound Garden? Oh? I love his voice? His voice is

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so um And then who else would I? I might
bring back some Judy Garland I loved, Yeah, I love like,
I mean just her voice was. It was stunning, such
a control, such a gorgeous singer. So yeah, those are
the first three that come to mind. Okay, I love it. Yeah,

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I was curious. There are many. There are many, I'm sure,
I'm sure. Yeah, And then you can like call them
into right, like absolutely. I mean, we can always do
a hologram, can always do the hologram. They can be
right there on stage with me. I don't know, call
in their essence you like be with me, that's true.

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I think I do that anyway. I think I do
that with many female voices because I don't feel like
any of us are original anyway, like we're we're all.
I mean we are. And at the same time, when
it comes to what we've been influenced by, we've been
We've I've pulled from so many people that I feel
like the essence, like of all of these women are

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live on through what I how I create. So, yeah,
there's there's a lot of people that are always with
me when I sing. Yeah, I know, I'm sure, Yeah,
I'm sure. Off to take a little gander behind the curtain,
but the physical curtain. No, But thank you and thank
you for your light and all the work that you've
done within. Thank you m yeah, and your courage and

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just what you're sharing with the world and what you
will continue to and it's strong and it's felt and
we have no idea, we will just never know. Always
you know that our light affects others and yeah, I
see you and thank you for your path and your courage.
Thank you, thank you for being here. That was fun

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and that wraps up this episode of Holy Human. I
want to thank me for joining me for a very
thought provoking chat. And please don't forget to share your
thoughts me and the comments wherever you're listening, because you,
guys know, I love hearing your feedback. And the next
Holy Human is our season three finale, and we're gonna

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go out in spectacular style. My special guest will be
the beautiful and uncomfortable Mickey Guidan. In addition to being
a country superstar, she's truly one of my most favorite
people on earth and I can't wait for you to
get a glimpse into why. I can promise you a
lively and entertaining conversation filled with laughter. I'm sure if

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your tears, and who knows, we might even break out
into this song. You never know, but no matter what,
it's going to be one that you won't want to miss.
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