Wholly Human with LeAnn Rimes: Mel Robbins Part 2

LeAnn and acclaimed motivational speaker and author Mel Robbins wrap up their epic and intimate talk with honesty, wit and wisdom.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I
Heart Radio. Welcome my loves to this special two part
episode of Holy Human. We are back again with the
second half of my truly compelling conversation with the dynamic
force of energy that is Mel Robbins. In addition to

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being a prolific motivational speaker, Mel is a former lawyer
who has made helping others her life's work. She is
a mega best selling author whose books include The International Phenomenon,
The Five Second Rule, and The High Five Habit Take
Control of your Life with one Simple Habit. It's Mel's
latest book and one I got a ton of life

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changing information from and I had a ton of fun
getting to know this awesomely authentic woman. Here, my friends,
is part two of My Talk with Mel Robbins. Yea, okay.

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When we wrapped up our first episode, we were talking
about the importance of understanding exactly why you and the
people that you care about need to know that they
are supported in love. I'll give you an example. So, um,
we live in this old farmhouse outside of Boston. Uh,
and you know we're also building a place in southern

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Vermont right now, and amazing by the way so and I, um,
we are garage is kind of yeah. You pull into
the house, you can park up top or you go
down and the garage is like on the lower level,
basement level. And whenever Amazon shows up, cardboard boxes arrive

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and so I open them up and I stack everything
on the kitchen counter and then I stack, like a
Jenga puzzle, a tower of cardboard boxes next to the
stairs going down to the basement. And Chris had a
number of times Chris is my husband, had had asked
on numerous occasions, could you not tower that stuff there?

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And it sounds like yeah, I'd be like, but I
don't want to, Like, you know, I know how you
are about this. You want them slit, you want them
like folded down flat. It's a pain in the ass.
I don't want to have to do that. Then go downstairs.
I want to batch everything. I could do my emails
and do it all at once. I'll take it down.
And he's like, but you have a d D and

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you make a tower and then you leave and then
you blow your nose in the klinis and you put
it on the counter and you mean to throw it
in the trash and then you walk away from it
and then you open up a cupboard and he's like,
and so we would have this conversation forever, probably a year,
and finally Chris put it in words around feeling versus

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knowing that I'm loved. He said, whenever I see a
cardboard box at the top of those stairs, it makes
me feel like you think I'm your maide m, And
I'm like, but that's not what I mean. You know,
I don't mean that. He's like, I don't. I don't

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want to have to go through the exercise in my
mind to tell myself that Mel's not being disrespectful. She
does love you, she doesn't mean to be rude, she
doesn't mean to I want you to take care of
this because I've asked, because it will make me feel
like you actually care about love me. And when he

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put it in those terms, because for me, it's like
inconvenience it is. It's not an existential crisis, it's not
about love. But when I understood it on that level,
everything was like, Oh, I get it now, I get
it now, that's beautiful. I love that you mentioned your
a d H D at, which I would love to

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touch on because you have been. You've been really open
about taking medication for your d h D, and which
I I find really beautiful and brave. And I because
I think a lot of people in the self help,
like you know, spiritual space, I think the the ideas
that we we should be we shouldn't have to take medication.

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I take medication for depression and anxiety, and I've been
very open too. I just you see medication as a tool,
and I would love for you to speak on that
because I found that such a I was like, oh, yeah,
that is a tool. Because ultimately, like for instance, I
take medication at night to sleep, and and I ultimately

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would like to not take medication to sleep. But in
the interim, because um, I think I would personally, I
would like to. I think I've spent a lot of
my life on something, whether because I've had crisis, I've
spent you know, a lot of my life injecting my
body with the biologic which I still do. I um,

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I've just spent a lot of time with medicine, and
for me, I would love to not have to if
but right now, my nervous system, with all I've been
through in my life, my nervous system wakes me up
four hours in and if I want to sleep, I
have to take something. And I'm not ashamed of it
at all. Now maybe down the road I won't have to,
but it's not like I'm beating myself up for it.

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And that's what I say. I think you are really Yeah,
I think you're beating yourself up for taking medication. Why
even having the someday I need I I I'm not
going to take this mm hmm brings judgment into the
moment that you are. That there's a there's a piece

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of you that's broken and needs it right and when
you're fixed and whole, you won't need it. And I
believe that's true. I mean I can see that. I
believe that if you were to take that off the
horizon m and just say I fucking love my medication,

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because I can say period that I do. I agree, Yeah,
like I love it. Are you kidding? There's a medication
that allows me to sleep? This is this is incredible.
Sleep is one of the most important habits in the world.
Most people don't know that that that that people that
are geniuses and wildly successful in what they do, whether

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it's athletics or it's like business or art or whatever.
They not only practice ten thousand hours or more to
become an expert, they get on average two hours more
sleep a night than the average person. Really, sleep is
one of the most Yes, sleep is one of the
most important things for your mental health, for your physical health,

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for your metabolism, for your nervous system. A disrupted sleep
can lead to anxiety, lack of focus, depression. And so
you getting sleep right helps you feel like yourself. And
so if you take that horizon off, it brings acceptance

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for exactly where you are and exactly where you're not,
and it doesn't hold out someday I'll get to this point,
and that means I'll be better. No, you're You're absolutely
amazing where you are right now. And so for me,
I took Zoloft for two and a half decades two
and a half decades, and it saved my life. I

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had severe generalized anxiety. By the time I was in
law school, I had severe postpartum depression. The only time
I didn't take Zoloft in almost twenty five years was
when I was pregnant with our first daughter, who's no.
Twenty three, and when she was born, I had the

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kind of postpartum depression that was so scary. I couldn't
be left alone with her, so they turned me into
a zombie with at a van let. This put me
back on Zoloft, and once Zoloft was back in my system,
two weeks later, I was stable again. Like it. Literally
two of my kids have taken Zoloft to climb out
of holes they've been in with anxiety. It has been

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a life saving tool. And when I started to understand
anxiety truly about eight years ago, as the five second
Rules started to spread around the world and I went
to work attacking the thinking that was triggering a lot
of anxiety. I got to a point where I felt

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like myself and safe enough to come off the medication.
But it wasn't because I I felt like there was
anything wrong with it. It's because I felt like, oh,
it's not additive anymore, because the thing that the medication
used to do, I'm realizing I'm doing just with new

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habits and skills. And so I went off of it.
And what was interesting is that that was interesting because
you know, I was off of zolof I'm actively managing
my mind, which is a lot of work and We're
going through the process with our son of having him

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evaluated because the school's life there's something up and we
think it's a behavioral thing. And I'm like, I don't
think it's behavioral. I think there's something else going on.
Sure enough, the kids like super dyslexic, dysgraphic executive function, saying,
he's like a whole cast role of stuff. And as
I'm sitting there with his pediatrician, who I've known for
a decade, Land You're gonna love the story. I turned

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to my this pediatrician, I say, hey, Mark, do you
think I might be a d h D. I mean, like,
I'm I'm like sitting with him as he's doing these tests.
I'm like, yes, yes, yes, I'm like taking it behind him.
I'm like getting all the same answers. He turns to
me and he goes, are you asking me if you're
a d h D? And I said yes. He said,
Mel Robbins, you are the most a d h D

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adult I have ever met in my entire life. I'm like,
what do you mean? He's like, do you realize years
go by and you miss wellness exams? I'm like, well,
my kids are healthy. Why do they need to come.
He's like, you know, you say you're gonna call me back,
you don't. You say you're gonna send it into form,
you don't. And yet here you are, this crazy successful person.
Of course you're a d h D. And I'm like,
why didn't you tell me? He's like, I'm not your doctor.

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And so I went to, uh, my doctor, I said,
I think I am. They're like, you definitely are, but
let's go through the testing protocol I did. They're like
off the charts and your dyslexic and all of which
I never knew. Now I know why law school was
so awful, trying to process that much real writing, which

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my brain just maken't work that way. So here's the
thing I want to share with you, because every time
I share this, particularly with another woman, in particularly when
women are listening, you will get flooded with messages about this. Okay,
there is a generation of women spanning from the age

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of thirty to who were diagnosed with anxiety in their
teens and their twenties when really the underlying issue was
a d h D MHM. When they made a d
h D a formal diagnosis in the late seventies, they

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only study boys. When a boy is struggling with a
d h D, they present with hyperactivity, an inability to focus.
They interrupt people, they're very physical. Typically when a girl
has a d h D, she daydreams, she's hard on herself,

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she withdraws a little bit. And what happens when you
have a d h D, which is an issue of
not being able to direct your attention. You see a
lot of us that have a d h D. I
can hyper focus if I'm super interested. My my son
can play video games for nine hours. If he's not interested,

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it's really hard for him to direct his focus at something.
Same thing for me, and so it never made sense
to me because I wasn't jittery, I wasn't jumping around.
And so at the age of forty five, I finally
got the proper diagnosis, which was a d h D.
And if you have a d h D and you

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sit in a classroom, you can't do what's being asked
of you, and you can't direct your focus, and then
you start to worry, I'm not going to get this done,
and why can't I focus on what? You develop anxiety,
but a secondary and because that's the physical thing that
you can see in girls. That's what girls get diagnosed with.
And so they call us the Lost generation. And every

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time I talk about it, women come out of the
woodwork and are like, oh my god, I struggle with
anxiety forever. I think this might be me. They go
to their doctor and like, holy sh it, I have
a d h D. And I started taking UM like
a short acting add a roll. In the beginning, I
didn't like how it makes you kind of like intense,

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and now I just take I think it's called concert.
I think it is, and I just take a dose
that lasts all. It's amazing, and all that it is
is it's like, I don't my works so fast, I
drain all the fuel in the gas tank. That's what
you choose. I have no gasoline left to go anywhere.
And so all that the medication does for me is
it slows down the engine so that I can serve

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the fuel so I can focus longer. That's all that
it does for me, and it's life changing. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah,
thank you for pointing out, because there there definitely is
some some judgment there, I do believe, but for me UM, definitely,
thanks for calling me out on But it's it's so
interesting how you think, like the judgment doesn't you can

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almost like smooth it over, or it can be so
insidious because it's you know, it shows you on the
levels that in which we judge ourselves. And I just
when you talked about medication, I was like, bravo, because
I think that that's a conversation that needs to be
had and it needs to be normalized. And I'm all
for to each their own, take care of yourself, know yourself,

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whatever works for you, and so yeah, I'm just I
was excited to see you have that conversation. Well, there
is so much stigma, and you know, I think that
it's very pc to be like mental health awareness until
you have a mental health issue, right, And it's really
easy to go, oh, yeah, be compassionate with somebody with depression,

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until you're married to somebody who has it. And you know,
it's like, oh, change your parenting because your kids are anxious,
until you have a kid who's anxious, and then all
of a sudden, all the tools that are out there
that are fine for everybody else, but if you have
to take medication or it's offered to one of your kids, now,
all of a sudden, that tool that makes me weak

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and broken and fuck that. And I saw this first
stand with my husband, No, seriously, land like this was
really eye opening. So my husband, um, we've been married
twenty five years. He was in the restaurant business. Um
when we were kind of ten years into our marriage,
and like of restaurants, it did not go according to plan.

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In fact, it left us eight hundred thousand dollars in
debt and we nearly lost our house. And when Chris
left the restaurant business in two thousand eleven, he was
our two thousand fourteen, he was a shell of a
human being. He was an alcoholic. He was buried in

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shame because he had lost so much of our money.
He felt like a complete failure, the world's worst father,
the world's worst. At all of this, I went into
hyper drive mode because I there was no way we're
gonna lose our house. And so I started working three jobs.
I did whatever it took. That's where the five second
ball came in to push me through all of the

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anger and resentment and fear and embarrassment and all of it.
And so fast forward two years, it's two thousand sixteen,
and we still have lanes on our house just five
years ago. Everybody, and we are um making the ends
meet though, and I got a full time job and

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we've got health care. Chris has been sober for two years.
He is not working. He has become a yoga instructor.
He has started a men's retreat because it's something he
needed to take men, you know, out in the woods
to process and talk and bond about emotions and feelings
and trauma. And meanwhile, I'm thinking, this is great. Look

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at this. We've turned our lives around. Like Chris has
found his calling. I am out there like making a difference.
I love my life. I love the money I'm making.
Five more years past land, he has now got weightless
for his retreats. He's also a certified Buddhist meditation instructor.
So we're talking about a man who loves what he's doing.

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He is in the wellness industry. We have no financial
problems whatsoever because I am killing it in business and
I'm putting of everything I bring home in savings. So
we are taken care of business. Our marriage is solid,
like we've worked on it. So like I'm standing next

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to this guy in the bathroom sink, every morning, and
I'm thinking, thank god that restaurant failed. Thank god you
had a breakdown that led to all of this. You are,
you found your calling. I wouldn't be where I am
if we hadn't had had that rock bottom moment together.

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That is not how my husband felt. My husband would
look in the mirror as of twelve months ago, Land
and he didn't see it that way. He saw a
man who had failed. He had failed his family, he
had failed in his career, he had failed to provide,

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He had made major mistakes that he regretted. He literally
saw somebody he hated. I did not know this, and
I stood next to the guy right and we kind
of like, you know, as the High five habits happening.
I'm I said, Chris, you know you seem really does

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you should try this thing. He decided that is the
stupidest thing, like you've gone. So he said it was stupid.
I'm like, well, would you just try for five days
for me? I'm sure you think it's yeah, like fuck
you you know, like this is part of the program, buddy,
And so he does. And he shared with me after

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that all of what he was feeling, the shame, the failure,
the judgment, and he said, the reason why I thought
high fiving myself was stupid was because you only high
five somebody you believe in. M Oh, my God. That
breaks my heart. And when we return from this break,

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you will find out what helped Mel's husband break out
of his depressive rent Welcome Back Love's. Mel was just
so vulnerably sharing her husband's struggle with depression. So we
start to unpack it. I'm like, I want you to

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talk to somebody. He gets into therapy, he gets diagnosed
with dystinia, which is a form of long term depression,
something his father had. I know for a fact, if
my husband weren't meditating every day, if he weren't doing yoga,
exercising cardio every day, if he didn't have an incredible
relationship with me and the kids, if he didn't have

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a calling, we probably would have lost him to the
disease of hopelessness and depression. That's how bad it was.
And when the doctor said, I'm a psychotherapy piss so
I don't prescribe medication, but I actually think it would

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be a useful tool for you because you're in such
a dark hole mentally. My husband resisted it for three
months now. This is a guy whose entire life is
about wellness and mindfulness and mental health. Why did he
resist it? Because he believed the bullshit that is out

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there in society, the bullshit that makes you think that
there's something wrong with you if a pill helps you
sleep better, based on all the trauma you've survived in
the nervous system disregulation, he believed that the pill meant
he was weak, that he was broken, And I'm like,
are you kidding? It's the fucking opposite. If you're willing

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to stare at yourself in the mirror despite all the
ship that you've done, and you're willing to forgive yourself
and do the work to get healthy and happy again
because you deserve it, that's an act of strength. Weakness
is hiding and running and beating the ship out of
yourself and drinking yourself into the ground. Strength is forgiveness, love,

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and doing whatever it takes to get yourself out of
the hole that you're in and into a place where
you finally feel like yourself again. I love that. Thank
you for sharing that story because I know, yeah, I'm
glad we had that conversation, and that definitely did open

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up some some stuff from me. I want to just
ask you one quick question about something that you just
experienced recently, which is the whim Hoff ice bath, because
I just did the same a couple of months ago. Okay,
so I'm terrified of cold water, like terrified. And my
husband and I did it in our backyard together, and uh,

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I know what container did you do as far as
like the tub? What did you get into? I was
it just in basically a tub. The lady that took
us through it, she brought this big tub to the
back and we filled it up with water and ice,
and she made you, like, which I love, put your
own ice in, so it's like you're walking the plank,
is what I felt like. But my husband did it

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before I did, and I um to hear him, to
hear him go through his own process of of terror. Um,
there was such a primal thing within me that I
was like, I want to save him. I want to
save him, and I was crying. And then when it
goes to, you know, be my turn, it was I

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think the probably the worst thing he could have done
was go before me. Because of that, I was now
I was in like a whole different headspace. So I
just start bawling, and I I'm like, I'm going to
do this. I know I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
at least get in. So I got in and I
had I mean, there is a moment of like I'm dying,
I'm going to die, and then thank God, the woman

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who was there with us was um. She was walking
me through it, like I almost jumped out a couple
of times, but about a minute in she was like, Okay,
she got me to kind of calm down. Um, and
I when I got out, I mean, I felt like
I had just I felt like I just opened up
a new world for myself because it made me realize
like how uncomfortable I can be and not die. And

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so I started to look at all these other areas
of my life, was like, Okay, where am I not
making myself uncomfortable? Where can I get a little more uncomfortable?
And it's literally shifted like so many places in my
life now where I'm like, Okay, I'm willing to walk
into that discomfort because I know now my capacity for
discomfort is much higher. And so I was just wondering
how if you had what your experience was with that,

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like what did What were your takeaways? Did you enjoy it?
Would you do it again? Well, I have one question
and I'll tell you my experience. Okay, how is your
sleep that night? Amazing? I have an or or ring
and I my heart rate variability was like off the charts.
So I've actually been continuing to do I don't always

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put my whole body in UM, depending on what part
of my cycle. I mean, I'll sometimes just put my
like up to my knees and our pools like fifty
degrees now at even in l A and UM, I've
been continuing to do it a couple of times a
week UM, just because I I love the way I
love I love the power that I feel after I

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do it, because I feel like I've overcome something and
I'm and I continue to take myself back there like
I'm walking myself back there to do it every time,
and I have to. I have to overcome something and
it's I don't know, it's really really shifted something massive
for me. I don't don't. I don't doubt it because

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I had a very similar experience and UM. We did
a workshop kind of near our place in Vermont, and
I went first. There were We did it with a
group of like fourteen people, and as soon as they
walked us out to the deck and there's like chickens
walking around, and there was like kind of some jankee

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freezer with tons of ice, and it like it's like
a chest feezer you'd seen somebody's garage. And I'm like,
I'm going in, Like I didn't. I knew that I
would get myself totally worked up watching everybody else, and
so I just went in and um, the same thing
terror going in. There are kind of moments where I

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was standing there and it was a super cold day
and I'm in my bathing suit and the wind is
blowing like crazy, and the chickens are running around, and
so I just go five four through two one, and
they coached you through going in. So I went down
to my shoulders and my first instinct was I said, Okay,
I got this, And then in me imediately, as I'm

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sitting there in a chest freezer full of ice water
at thirty four degrees temperature, I had a full body
five alarm fire response. And the only other time that
I consciously remember feeling like that was one or two

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moments in child labor where I felt I can't handle this,
and I can't handle this. The pain was too much,
and I my mind started to spin. I gotta get out,
I gotta get out. And what's what was fascinating to

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me was how quickly I went from I think I
can do this to holy funck, I'm out of here.
And I started lama's breathing. I'm like and then they
get made to just slow down own, and I about
a minute in felt the shift from panic to oh, okay,

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I'm gonna be okay. The entire time it was freezing,
It never got warm, it never got comfortable. I just
slowed the panic and the the just firestorm in my
body through the breathing um. And then when I got out,

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you do the kind of moving around to kind of
keep your thing going. Um. I was exhilarated, and I
was warm, and I write, yeah high. I stayed outside
for a number of you know, for ten minutes, and
cheered on everybody else in my wet bathing suit, and
then I slept like a freaking baby. And then for

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the holidays, I bought my husband a big plastic ice
barrel and he went in yesterday for the first time,
took a hammer and chipped all the ice off that
it naturally formed up in Vermont where it was ten
degrees and he went in it for I think it's
forty five seconds and he's making I have done cold showers,

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but now that we have not cold showers, like I'm showering,
I've done the chicken version where I shower a nice
warm water and then I finished with the cold and
I'm like, oh, that's too much. But I plan on
making it part of my weekly routine because there is
something about I love the vision of you marching yourself
back to that pool that's fifty degrees and knowing I'm

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going in and I'm going to breathe through it and
I'm gonna set a timer and I'm doing this. Yeah,
thank you for sharing that, because I am. I love
that we're talking about how painful it is, and we
highly recommend everyone doing I why do you recommend that
people do well? Because I because, like I said, I
think it's the expansiveness of and the knowing that I

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can and I mean we say that I can do
hard things, like I can be uncomfortable, and that discomfort.
I mean, we all know we grow in discomfort, and
so it's recognizing for me that I could have this
larger capacity to hold my whole experience, including the discomfort.
I don't have to run away from it. And it's

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funny that you mentioned child labor, because I as soon
as I got out of the TUBO go, that's the
closest I'm ever going to get to the pain of labor.
That's exactly what I thought, I go, this must be it,
it must be how it feels. Um. So yeah, though
I I when I saw you post that, I was like, oh,
I can't wait to see what her experience was. Well,
you know the other The reason why I think it's

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an interesting thing for anyone to try, if you feel
drawn to try it, is that you see to quote
floating around all over the place, that you can't control
what's going on around you, but you can choose how
you respond totally. And when you put yourself in thirty

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four degrees of water and say I'm going to sit
there for ninety seconds, you can't control the temperature of
the water, and you cannot control the automatic response of
your nervous system in your brain. What the experience taught
me is that you can change your response through the

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breathing and the actions that you take. And so you're
learning this skill of being able to calm, soothe, and
take control of your nervous system in a situation that
is wildly triggering. Yeah. Absolutely, all right. We're gonna pause

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here for a breath before coming right back with more
Mel Robbins. Hi, friends, we are back with more Mel Robbins.
I could talk to you forever. I so love talking
to you. Thank you so much for coming on and
you're talking to you. I have UM. I always ask

(32:17):
my guest about music because I love music. Obviously it's
my life, and I'm always interested to see what songs
people choose. So I have this thing called the Holy Five,
and I hope people have warned you, but I would
love to know. Oh good, good good, Okay, So five songs.
It could be something these songs that have that you've

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loved your whole life. It could be something you're loving now.
Just what are your tough I had a hard time
limiting it to five. Oh cool, A very hard time. Yeah. Um.
I have a daughter who is a singer songwriter and
studying it at Thornton and um. Music is a huge

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part of our family's life and so I immediately realized
I went into people pleasing mode, like Okay, what one's
gonna make me look good? And what's the biggest range
of music? And I'm like, what the funk are you doing?
And so these are songs and there's more than five,
but I'll just read them to you. These are songs
that I just play on repeat and love. So number one, Sir,

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Duke Stevie Wonder music is a world with then net
So did the language Duff. That is the that's what
we call the floor clearer, meaning everybody clears from their
tables and starts dancing. Um, we are a big daft

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punk family. Get lucky in particular song one more time. Um,
I recently saw that you did it do wet with
one of my favorite artists, who John Mayer. Oh, yes, yes,

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you know. Our family's favorite is in the Blood. But
there is a song that he has not put on
an album, and the outro is my all time favorite
little lyric thing, and that is in your Atmosphere. I
don't know that one it's not on an album is
only the only recording is the I think two thousand
eight live recording. The outro and the lyrics on the

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outro are absolutely amazing. Wherever I go, whatever I do,
I wonder where I am in relation to you, wherever
you go, wherever you are. I watched that pretty life
play out in pictures from Afar, and it goes on
and on and literally it just summons every heartbreak I love.

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My number one listened to song of this year was
What a Time by Julia michaels like you wanted it forever,
but it's on. It's on. I don't know that one, neither,
Oh my God, or maybe I do. Maybe I just
don't know the title Say Goodbye Dave Matthews, which a
lot of people think is the song number forty one

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because on the album Crash it goes straight from forty
one into a flute solo. So we Are, and it
blends right in to say Goodbye, which is sort of
one of those songs that if I have tons of
beer or bourbon and me I just quarrel for hours,

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I'd love Dave Matthews. And speaking of flute, good as hell.
I love a little Lizzo do my head, Yes, I
love Lizzo so fun. Yeah, I love you have a
lot of joy in your music. I like that there's

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a lot of there's a lot of dancing and joy there.
That's very cool. Yes, when we were building this new
house in Vermont, we needed to like literally go no, no, seriously,
this island has to support ten people like we are
a kitchen island, hop on the stage, karaoke, dance party. Come,
oh my god, that's way to get everybody judicition. I

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want to come to your house for party. This sounds
like a blast. Absolutely, I can. I can provide music.
I can totally do that. You would love that, And
I'm gonna find you when I'm in l A next Yes, please,
I would love I would love to continue this conversation.
Thank you for being here with me. All right. I
think she actually got seven songs. But that wraps up

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this very special season premiere two part episode with the
charismatic and powerful Mel Robbins again. Her new book is
called The High five Habit. Take control of your life
with one simple habit, and I know you find it
just as transformative as I have. So enjoy and please
remember to leave your thoughts wherever you listen because I

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truly love reading your feedback. And also feel free to
share this episode with someone in your life who might
be helped by listening. On the next Holy Human, I'll
be joined by author and anxiety coach Nancy Jane Smith.
I stumbled upon her book The Happier Approach and found

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it very enlightening. I adore this woman. She's so sweet
and so wise, and I know that you'll love her too.
So until then, everyone take care of each other. Bye.
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