May 13, 2021 • 32 mins
In recent years, the world has been hit by crises with immense human tolls—from larger and more frequent natural disasters and the devastating consequences of climate change, to armed conflict and political instability that has forced millions of refugees to flee their homes, to the COVID-19 pandemic and resulting economic insecurity. In the wake of these crises, responding quickly and understanding the challenges and needs facing communities is critical. Often, the first and most basic need for those suffering is access to a meal.
This week, as the COVID-19 surge in India reaches catastrophic levels and we all look for ways to make a difference, we revisit a conversation between President Clinton and José Andrés. José, already a world renowned chef, started World Central Kitchen to ensure that people in crisis are treated with dignity, respect, and nourishment. Whenever and wherever disaster strikes, José and his team can be counted on to be on-site, building massive relief operations from the ground-up.
Since the start of the pandemic, World Central Kitchen has partnered with more than 2,500 small restaurants to help them keep their doors open while feeding vulnerable members of their communities. When the onset of pandemic closed schools and services in Little Rock, World Central Kitchen joined with the Clinton Presidential Center to prepare and serve more than 700,000 meals for people in need in Central Arkansas. And now in addition to their efforts at vaccination sites, hospitals, and medical centers across the U.S., World Central Kitchen is providing food and hydration to the medical staff working around the clock in India.
Even while feeding millions during the pandemic, World Central Kitchen has also continued to respond to natural disasters, like the recent volcanic eruption on St. Vincent, the largest Atlantic hurricane season on record last year, and the unprecedented wildfires in the American West.
In this episode, José Andrés shares the stories of founding World Central Kitchen in response to the Haiti earthquake, his work in Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Mozambique to provide hot meals, human dignity, and hope after catastrophe hits—and how he found his passion in cooking.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
As the COVID nineteen surge in India reaches catastrophic levels
and we all look for ways to make a difference.
I want to revisit a conversation about disaster relief I
had in with one of the most innovative and inspiring
humanitarians I've ever known, Jose Andre Jose, a World Remound chef,
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started his organization in World Central Kitchen to ensure that
people in crisis are treated with dignity and respect and
have good food to eat. Whenever and wherever disaster strikes.
Jose and his team can be counted on to be
on site building massive relief operations from the ground up.
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As you'll hear in our conversation, he and I've worked
together often, most recently using the restaurant at my presidential
center in a Little Rock to prepare more than seven
hundred thousand meals for people in need in Central Arkansas
during the pandemic. Since the beginning of the pandemic, World
Central Kitchen has partnered with more than small restaurants to
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help them keep their doors open while feeding vulnerable members
of their communities. They've also continued to respond to natural
disasters like the recent volcanic eruption on St. Vincent, the
largest Atlantic hurricanes he's non record last year, and the
unprecedented wildfires in the American West. Now they're providing food
and hydration to the medical staff working around the clock
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in India in a time when there's so much needed
home and abroad. I hope he'll be inspired by listening
to us as I described how he came to do
this work, and by realizing that we all have unique
gifts that can be put to use in service of others.
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Bill Clinton is expected to be named a special United
Nations Envoy to Haiti. A spokesman for the Haiti earthquake
was really tough for a lot of us. I had
been there a year working for the United Nations, and
a bunch of our people, including the head of our delegation,
were killed. January twelve, two thousand ten, a catastrophic earthquake
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ravaged Haiti's capital, Court of Prints, shaking whole neighborhoods to
bits and leaving one and a half million people homeless. Now,
the White House says it has asked former Presidents Bill
Clinton and George W. Bush to help in the relief effort,
and President Clinton when we went down there about ten
days later. If there was a park where in the
good weather, they had ten after ten after ten of
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craftsman doing wooden metalwork. It was a great place. Unbelievably,
we came down there in the middleist records and there
was that counted them. There were eight people who had
their pictures up. Again, it's a difficult time. There'd be
somewhere tween seventy and a hundred. Now I had this
long kind of view and Convoy I said, stuff, I
want everybody to get out and buy something. We got
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to buy something. These eight people, we got to support them.
So I went over and bought a couple of pictures.
And this guy is the way way, President Clinton. You
can't go come here. You have to come here. So
I came around and he said in two thousand three,
when you came here, he said, you came here, you
stopped here, and you bought a picture from me. So
he said, I hope you'll do it again. So I
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bought another picture and I said to the guy, said,
you know, I just I cannot believe you guys are here.
This must be so hard. He said, it's not hard
for me. I have nothing else to do. I lost
my wife and children. I'm alone now, and I said,
how can you do this? He said, it's the only
way I can honor them. Look around, we're a little
family here. They know if I can be here, they
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should be too. And we have to begin again. I mean,
that's the kind of stuff you come up against, just
unbelievable courage and goodness and decency. You know, somebody is
not at different from you, is broken and still standing
and still going on and sharing one more precious day
of life. A lot of these people are lucky to
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be alive, but they don't feel very fortunate. We need
some waters, some food, everything, and we need some medicine.
You know what. Now along the short stretch of just
this one street, we find disaster next to disaster where
there used to be people's homes. So why am I
telling you this? Because if you've never been in a
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natural disaster, if you've never been in a town that
was leveled by a tornado or a hurricane, if you've
never been in a community that was totally flooded out,
if you've never been there, you forget. These are people
just like you and me. They're worried about their children,
or their grandchildren, or their parents or their grandparents either.
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They don't know what to do. You go into a
disaster area where people are flatting their back and their
children are dead, and there they've lost every letter they
ever safe and their loved ones. They have no family
pictures left, or you know, you name it. There's a
story every where you go. Today, I'll be talking with
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Jose Andre, who is an American emigrant success story. Jose Andres,
who's already well known to food loving television audiences, is
also becoming increasingly known for his work to help in
the wake of natural disasters like Florence Walls. Andra Kitchen,
which is the organization I created around the Haiti earthquake,
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is a very simple adia. We make sure that what
there are is hungry people, especially under very difficult circumstances,
that people are going to have a decent plate of
hot foot. You know, I always have this enduring image
of Jose sort of standing with broken concrete blocks and
wire and mango medal all around him, flipping fried eggs
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just because it's somehow he always finds a way to
find a kitchen. That's where we're speaking to him. That
I was like let's just jump right in. How did
you decide to become a chef? I always believe in
following life. Life has a plan for all of us.
Sometimes we decide to listen, and sometimes we follow, and
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sometimes we find it. I'm the type of guy that
listens to life. And my father would love to cook.
Men cook in Spain. It's like if you are not
a chef, if you don't feed your family, if you
don't feed your friends, you are not at the at
the right social socialist status. Cooking is part of who
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you are, makes you better and I always for my
dad cooking at home obviously my mother who she was
a great cook. And I was not doing very well
at school, let's say, in the traditional education system. But
it's not like I felt because I didn't care. I
was spending more time hands on working in restaurants around
Barcelona every hour I had free, then going to school again,
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the traditional education systems was not something I was the
best way for me to learn, and I always was
trying to find other ways that I could be better.
That's how I became a cook who I became in
love um with food. But probably the moment Mr President
was when helping my father in one of those sundays
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that he would cook for all his friends. One day
we could be twenty, other days we could be hundreds.
My father will put me always in charge of the fire.
He will send me to the forest to gather the
wood and I will make a fire. He will have
this very big pie, a pen, a gigantic pen where
we make rice dishes in Spain. And that day I
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wanted to cook. I didn't want to make the fire anymore.
I was doing the fire for too long. Say that
I when I cook. My dad said, no, you have
to make the fire. You are the only one that
knows how to do it. It's a big pa. He
sent me away because I got very upset, so we
will speak later. When the bier was made, he got
me aside and he told me, my son, I understand
you wanted to do the cooking, to put the spoon,
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to steer the pot, but actually you were in charge
of the most important which is making the fire and
controlling the fire. If you control the fire, you can't
do any cooking. You want control the fire and you
will be in control of your destiny. I think that
probably was the moment that they saw that yes, cooking
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was in my future, not just physically that was going
to be my profession, but understanding that if we all
learn and understand what our fire is, we can achieve
anything we want in the world. What a wonderful story.
You know. We started working together a better decade ago
in Haiti. Ever since then, when we come in contact,
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it's usually because somebody is in trouble and you're they're
trying to help them. It's true that I began working
with the Clinton Global Initiative right after the earthquaking Haiti
bad But now because I'm here and this is your
podcast and you're the president and this is your show,
and I'm trying used to to look like I want
to impress you, but you had a huge impact on me,
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Mr President. I need to go back to six Washington,
d C. I arrived Washington myself, and you were coming
every year around Thanksgiving time, even you show a few
other times with Mrs Clinton. And you came to a
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place which is still is one of the most amazing
organizations called d C Central Kitchen, where Robert Eggert, the founder,
one of the of the guys that has had had
a huge influence in me, created this kind of badly
called soup kitchen because it's much more fits a nine
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people a day. And you you were there billy potatoes
and cooking turkeys and and but also we take homeless
out of the streets and then we cleaned them, and
then we trained them to be cooks, and then we
graduate them and then we find them jobs in the community.
It's the type of organizations that we need to be
telling America about because they are really effective and his
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organizations that they don't throw money at the problem, but
they invest into solutions. And in one of your visits,
you you you were working hard like anybody else. But
one time you kind of gave a speech because it
was senators and congressmen coming also. And on your speech,
I was twenty six years old. For some reason, you
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put me in that speech and you mentioned Jose addressed
as an example of volunteers in America. Every year listen
to this. Every single year, here five thousand volunteers roll
up their sleeves and give something back to their community.
People like Josiandre is one of the premier young chefs
in America. See here today, stand up here holiday. Despite
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the literally crazy demands at his job, he comes here
every single week to share his passion and his skills
with all the students, and he encourages other friends to
join him every time he comes. And I'm telling you
that that had a huge influence on me because you
know you you you did recognize me, even I didn't
spent that because I was used one more person, because
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he takes a village to to feed them empower a
lot of people. And that I remember forever the day
that President Clinton kind of recognize uh hosan dress when
he's six year old boy. So you had a big
influence on me in that sense of service to the
community and going be John your duty to serve folders,
and I've never stopped quite frankly, stay tuned for more
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of the conversation after this short break. You just arrived
before we started this conversation from Mozambique, where you've been
helping people in response to the terrible cyclone either which
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a lot of Americans, I have the feeling, don't have
any idea how truly horrible it is, partly because it
hit a lot of places in England Africa and we
haven't gotten enough film of it, but it's one of
the worst natural disasters to hit the lower part of
Africa in a very long time. So give us an update.
What do you do in Mozambique? How are they doing
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all right? So, in the moment we heard about the
cyclone uh seven, two hours later we had the team.
We opened a kitchen, then we open a second kitchen.
We're feeding on fourteen fifteenth referee camps, schools and hospital.
I'm here in a calm called Peacock. Here in the
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city of Merat. They were serving a chicken with rice.
Um you see uh bidlines or two three, four hours,
three takes around the people here. I see a lot
of time. Yesterday we reached almost twenty thousand meals a day.
We already reached our hundred fifty thousand mills. And that's
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why I went there to make sure my team was
doing good, that we were doing the right thing with
the color a break. Actually, I'm very happy because we're
super clean. The way we work, the way we make
people wise their hands before they get the food, et cetera,
et cetera, and in the process we feed as many
people as we can. So we partnered with World Food Program.
We partner obviously United Nations and and it's going well.
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I don't feel we're helping. I feel we're still learning.
Every time I show up, I show up with all
people that they've been before with us in missions, but
always we tried to bring new people. Why because he's
very important that we make people learn. How do you
learn by being there? Handsome? This is a truly global
organization and it's UH the World Central Kitchen, and how
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you have been able to mobilize people. This has been
a busy time for you because I want to come
back to Puerto Rico in a minute. But after the
terrible hurricane damage in Puerto Rico, Jose was there and
we started working together again there. But he's also been
to the Venezuelan border to feed people, to the Nebraska
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foodlands to feed people. And one of his World Central
Kitchens UH Kitchens was in the parking lot of my
Presidential Library in Arkansas because we had an unusual number
of people and in and around Little Rock affected by
the government shutdown. A load employees get to enjoy a
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chef made meal. It's part of the World's Central Kitchen,
which sends food trucks to natural disasters or where there's
some kind of need. We've got the need here. It's
all over the country for most partsback and Jeffree shows
us what's on the menu for a lot of for
a little folks and for how long? So the government
shutdown was a national emergency to a lot of people
who weren't getting paid and didn't have any other way
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to feed themselves. How much trouble do you have getting
adequate supplies to do what you're supposed to do? Well? Yeah,
the truth is that let me bring it to America.
One place that I have nine mares because he wish
I was there. It's almost a place like I wish
I was able to go back in time and be
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there and being able to call you and say I
need to help Katrina. The Super Dollar thousands are still
corralled here at the City Sports Arena the Superdome. Soldiers
from Oklahoma and Texas have piped in music, but it
doesn't seem to lift the mood, one of utter despair.
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We remember the nine married stories were coming up at
the Superdome. Thousands of Americans in a place without basic water, supplies, showers, food,
woman being read all these stories we heard. Do you
know what entire stadium is? Entire arena, a sports complex. Yeah,
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people will describe it as a place that you go
to watch an NBA team or a concert. But let
me tell you who I describe it. It's a gigantic
restaurant that entertains with NBA. That means you sent two
trucks and you said a little army of cooks. In
two hours, we open all the all the places that
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serve you, the hot dogs and the borgers, and in
two hours we are feeding every single person. America is
a gigantic restaurant. The only thing we do is we go.
We oversee what is left. What can't we have debate?
Do we have a kitchen, do we have to bring
a generator? Do we need to bring us? It's always
something around you. What we try to do is maximize
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what is around us. So when I go to more
difficult places like Muszambek or like Venezuela, Colombia in the border,
is not any different. It's always a restaurant somewhere. It's
always somebody with a generator that is not using. Is
somebody always with LPG. It's always is always the resources
out there. Only you need to be very quickly in adapting.
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That's what world central kitchen does We don't own hard assets,
we don't own har work, we own software. We can
go anywhere and adapt. If I am waiting for a
kitchen that is supposed to be deployed by the military
or by mars kor who knows who. Sometimes it's a week,
two weeks, three weeks later and you're still waiting for
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the kitchen. We don't wait, we don't plan, and we
don't meet. We arrived, we find the kitchen, we start cooking,
and we start feeding. In the process, the plan shows up.
When you go into a disaster zone, is the first
thing you do actually actressment of what the cooking capacity
is right now? Is that what you do first? Yeah,
we will very quickly assays where are we cooking? Who?
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Who has control of of goods, dry goods, any vestballs,
any anything is available, will make sure electricity through your
narrators will cover And obviously, guys, those are kind of
the four areas and the five which is the most important.
Besides the people that fly in first, who who are
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the local the local leaders that can't help us? And
the great thing is that, as you know, the wall
has to eat every day, so is is millions, hundreds
of millions of people that they are cooks, and we
realize that people love to come together and become one
and that's what we do. Um. So yes, the cooking facility,
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it's very important for us, and that's usually before we land.
We already now right now and thanks to your initiative,
Mr President, obviously for Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. Every
time we have a better idea of what are the
facilities we may use in case, for example of of
another hurricane. So, um, we have more than twenty thirty
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food trucks that we can be activating immediately. We have
many kitchens around the island, for example in Puerto Rico,
that we know which ones are the ones that if
they are safe from the hurricane, because you cannot just
say one kitchen. You have to prepare for the wars
of the wars, so you have to have many so
you're safe from all of them being badly damaged. So
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very much, that's what we're doing. Places we've been before.
Now I know what to do around and take away
the volcano explodes again. We know what to do in
Puero Rico if something happens again, we know what to
do in Florida, we know what to do, uh in
in in Nebraska, we know what to do the fires
in California. So every time we answer to one of those,
he's very important for us. He's is that all dec information,
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all these know how U doesn't disappear. We'll be right back.
Let me ask you this, when when you leave a
place World Central Kitchen and then I want to come back,
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specifically to Puerto Rico, because I don't think still people
in the United States fully understand the dimensions of the
challenge and how we have responded poorly. I think, But
when you leave a place, do you do an inventory
of the kinds of supplies that should be I think
the term of art is prepositioned, that's stockpiled so that
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if there's something else that happens, someone who knows less
than you do can show up and figure it out
in a hurry. We are we are talking about that then, specifically,
thanks to the the different groups you've created around that issue.
But sometimes I feel like, and don't misunderstand me with that,
but too much planning sometimes is too much. We need
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to do the right planning. And with that, I mean
the most important is obviously showing up, and the most
important is to start doing what you're supposed to do.
Let's say generators. A lot of the people that die
in Puerto Rico, is a President. They die because lack
of electricity. Why because it's many otherly that they had
issues breathing. They needed machines to help them breathe. My
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mom had one. I know he needs electricity and recharging
if she's going away away from home. When people had
no electricity for weeks and months in different parts of
Puerto Rico high up in the mountains, or they had
a generator and somebody could provide them gas, or those
people were going to eventually get in trouble and maybe die.
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I can't tell you that we had hundreds of generators
pile in some one for weeks, but nobody was doing
the distribution. Sometimes to have assets, that's an equal good response, Mr. President.
To have the assets alone, it's not good enough. Distribution
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is key, and distribution you need people that really are
very much willing to do whatever it takes to bring
that generator, that play, the food, those medicines, or whatever
it takes to the people that need them. So distribution,
to me is more important than the prepositioning of the assets.
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Even do misunderstand me. Wilmington, we did a very good job.
I was very happy with my team y because before
the hurricane came in, we already had four kitchens preposition
around the state. But more important in Wilmington, we had
two tracks because we knew that the hurricane was coming
that way. We had two and higher tracks full of
food worth ten days for at least ten thousand people. Hello,
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people of America here uh Hossian address. Already from our
headquarters in Wilmington. We have another kitchen in Rally. We're
gonna be producing today between both kitchens on the north
of fifteen thousand, if it's needed, probably will reach twenty thousand.
I think we're gonna be fitting a total of around
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twenty five shelters. We are doing the map so yes,
to understand the assets and pready position those assets is
very important. But what is more important at the end
of the day is the willingness to adapt and then
the willingness to do distribution. If you don't do this solution,
that's no matter how much how many assets you have
in hand, is if they don't reach the people equals
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zero zero relief. We'll talk about Puerto Rico this a
little bit. It's amazing. Maybe apparently a lot of Americans
don't even know that Puerto Rico is part of the
United States. It's a territory, but as a terror tory,
it has different rules in terms of how it gets healthcare.
For example, they're not in Medicaid, they don't get the
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snap food assistance programs. They get block grants, and lately
there's been a a fair amount of confusion about how
much aid they've gotten. So so, I mean, we know
about that. I don't want to get into politics, but
let's just talk about facts. I mean, you and I've
been there. I'm interested in the people. The American people
need to know this. Last year, before the Democrats had
one House of Congress, when both houses were Republicans, they
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voted to give six hundred million dollars in food aid
to Puerto Rico, which has still not been released. We
still need help in Puerto Rico just feeding people because
of money that has been appropriated by our Congress on
a totally by part of the basis has not been released.
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So we need to think about going forward for Puerto Rico,
how they cannot be hungry again, and there are lots
of other health and development issues. But this is crazy.
But there are Americans. But I know that you believes
as many that Probrequly is a huge opportunity for for America.
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It's a rich island, it is rich in human and
natural resources. It's an ecological miracle and it should be
a very prosperous place. And to go back to what
you said, I know there have been some problems in
the past, but recently we went to Puerto Rico together
to look at what is being done. We're helping hon
Or maybe could help on And you took me to
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meet this astonishing young couple who could be making a
lot more money doing something else, who decided they wanted
to do environmentally sustainable for me and run important part
of the family. Yeah, and how much land the uthfarm
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fertually So we have an acre and a half of land,
and we started only cultivating half an acre, and after
Maria we have taken our commitment even further and we
grow to the other acre. We have ability, so now
we have an acre and a half. A freeman And
who are your customers? My customers are basically direct consumers.
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So we have been growing the business on the farms
through word of mouth. So now we have like a
big network of people, family and people that know people
that have come to support us and buy our products locally.
And I think a subscriber in two years, yes, yes,
uh so basically we delivered direct to them either in
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their houses. I thought a lot about that young couple
you took me to see. Yeah, that was Franco Italia,
Franco and Italia. You know the people I help in Africa.
They want their children to go to school so they
can do better. And all I've got is a half
acre of land or an acre of land, and it's
a joyful thing. But the thing that was encouraged by
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the Puerto Rico project is these people were young and
educated and they were taking a hit to become farmers
for the first few years of their married life, their
family life. They won't do as well probably as that.
Whatever if they done, they were probably ten of the
things they could have done. They did it because they
know that they had to learn to feed themselves on
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that island. They know that sustainable agriculture and small farmers
are the future of the region, which is one of
the two most vulnerable in the world to climate change
and rising sea levels. They know this, and that's something
you should be really proud of that you're involved in
something where young, articulate, educated, far sided people say I'm
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gonna stay here and we're gonna make this a farm,
just a place on the side of the hill, and
will you selp me. Sur President is what we call
Ploat to Plate, where we did in the first eight
nine months UH during UH give grants between five thousand
and to round forty farmers, and then just recently after
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your trip to Puerto Rico with your foundation, we announced
with partners that we're going to increase the total number
up to four million dollars to impact another two hundred farms.
So those two farmers you're talking are used a big
family of farmers all across the island that we hope
to make sure that those farmers are part of a
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new Puerto Rico where Puerto Rico will stop importing nine
of the food they consume. This is crazy. We're gonna
try to reach at least of the foods Puerto Ricans
eat to be produced in Puerto Rico, creating a local economy,
creating jobs, creating an identity and make sure that in
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the process we keep pushing Puerto Rico forward. First, I
want to thank you because I know much you do
and so many places you're always there. But I thank
you for also being willing to stay in places until
they don't make you anymore. So bless you for that
and all else, and thanks for everything you've done. Thank
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you for super and little farms like this show us
the way for puer Rico being food independent. So right
now I Wasn't a Kitchen has invested giving grants to
more than forty farms. I'm very soon we're gonna be
announcing many more with c AI as our partners, and
I want to make sure that Wasn't Kitchen in a
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way exist because we've seen the work of CEI over
the years how ci go is community to community, country
to country and use partners with local initiatives to make
them stronger. To degree with General Kitchen, what we are
is a foot arm of many of these initiative CEI does.
We we are chefs for the people, so we help
to make sure that the places we are they become
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food independent after hurric or well be young Where foy
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As the COVID nineteen surge in India reaches catastrophic levels
and we all look for ways to make a difference.
I want to revisit a conversation about disaster relief I
had in with one of the most innovative and inspiring
humanitarians I've ever known, Jose Andre Jose, a World Remound chef,
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started his organization in World Central Kitchen to ensure that
people in crisis are treated with dignity and respect and
have good food to eat. Whenever and wherever disaster strikes.
Jose and his team can be counted on to be
on site building massive relief operations from the ground up.
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As you'll hear in our conversation, he and I've worked
together often, most recently using the restaurant at my presidential
center in a Little Rock to prepare more than seven
hundred thousand meals for people in need in Central Arkansas
during the pandemic. Since the beginning of the pandemic, World
Central Kitchen has partnered with more than small restaurants to
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help them keep their doors open while feeding vulnerable members
of their communities. They've also continued to respond to natural
disasters like the recent volcanic eruption on St. Vincent, the
largest Atlantic hurricanes he's non record last year, and the
unprecedented wildfires in the American West. Now they're providing food
and hydration to the medical staff working around the clock
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in India in a time when there's so much needed
home and abroad. I hope he'll be inspired by listening
to us as I described how he came to do
this work, and by realizing that we all have unique
gifts that can be put to use in service of others.
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Bill Clinton is expected to be named a special United
Nations Envoy to Haiti. A spokesman for the Haiti earthquake
was really tough for a lot of us. I had
been there a year working for the United Nations, and
a bunch of our people, including the head of our delegation,
were killed. January twelve, two thousand ten, a catastrophic earthquake
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ravaged Haiti's capital, Court of Prints, shaking whole neighborhoods to
bits and leaving one and a half million people homeless. Now,
the White House says it has asked former Presidents Bill
Clinton and George W. Bush to help in the relief effort,
and President Clinton when we went down there about ten
days later. If there was a park where in the
good weather, they had ten after ten after ten of
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craftsman doing wooden metalwork. It was a great place. Unbelievably,
we came down there in the middleist records and there
was that counted them. There were eight people who had
their pictures up. Again, it's a difficult time. There'd be
somewhere tween seventy and a hundred. Now I had this
long kind of view and Convoy I said, stuff, I
want everybody to get out and buy something. We got
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to buy something. These eight people, we got to support them.
So I went over and bought a couple of pictures.
And this guy is the way way, President Clinton. You
can't go come here. You have to come here. So
I came around and he said in two thousand three,
when you came here, he said, you came here, you
stopped here, and you bought a picture from me. So
he said, I hope you'll do it again. So I
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bought another picture and I said to the guy, said,
you know, I just I cannot believe you guys are here.
This must be so hard. He said, it's not hard
for me. I have nothing else to do. I lost
my wife and children. I'm alone now, and I said,
how can you do this? He said, it's the only
way I can honor them. Look around, we're a little
family here. They know if I can be here, they
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should be too. And we have to begin again. I mean,
that's the kind of stuff you come up against, just
unbelievable courage and goodness and decency. You know, somebody is
not at different from you, is broken and still standing
and still going on and sharing one more precious day
of life. A lot of these people are lucky to
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be alive, but they don't feel very fortunate. We need
some waters, some food, everything, and we need some medicine.
You know what. Now along the short stretch of just
this one street, we find disaster next to disaster where
there used to be people's homes. So why am I
telling you this? Because if you've never been in a
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natural disaster, if you've never been in a town that
was leveled by a tornado or a hurricane, if you've
never been in a community that was totally flooded out,
if you've never been there, you forget. These are people
just like you and me. They're worried about their children,
or their grandchildren, or their parents or their grandparents either.
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They don't know what to do. You go into a
disaster area where people are flatting their back and their
children are dead, and there they've lost every letter they
ever safe and their loved ones. They have no family
pictures left, or you know, you name it. There's a
story every where you go. Today, I'll be talking with
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Jose Andre, who is an American emigrant success story. Jose Andres,
who's already well known to food loving television audiences, is
also becoming increasingly known for his work to help in
the wake of natural disasters like Florence Walls. Andra Kitchen,
which is the organization I created around the Haiti earthquake,
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is a very simple adia. We make sure that what
there are is hungry people, especially under very difficult circumstances,
that people are going to have a decent plate of
hot foot. You know, I always have this enduring image
of Jose sort of standing with broken concrete blocks and
wire and mango medal all around him, flipping fried eggs
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just because it's somehow he always finds a way to
find a kitchen. That's where we're speaking to him. That
I was like let's just jump right in. How did
you decide to become a chef? I always believe in
following life. Life has a plan for all of us.
Sometimes we decide to listen, and sometimes we follow, and
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sometimes we find it. I'm the type of guy that
listens to life. And my father would love to cook.
Men cook in Spain. It's like if you are not
a chef, if you don't feed your family, if you
don't feed your friends, you are not at the at
the right social socialist status. Cooking is part of who
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you are, makes you better and I always for my
dad cooking at home obviously my mother who she was
a great cook. And I was not doing very well
at school, let's say, in the traditional education system. But
it's not like I felt because I didn't care. I
was spending more time hands on working in restaurants around
Barcelona every hour I had free, then going to school again,
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the traditional education systems was not something I was the
best way for me to learn, and I always was
trying to find other ways that I could be better.
That's how I became a cook who I became in
love um with food. But probably the moment Mr President
was when helping my father in one of those sundays
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that he would cook for all his friends. One day
we could be twenty, other days we could be hundreds.
My father will put me always in charge of the fire.
He will send me to the forest to gather the
wood and I will make a fire. He will have
this very big pie, a pen, a gigantic pen where
we make rice dishes in Spain. And that day I
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wanted to cook. I didn't want to make the fire anymore.
I was doing the fire for too long. Say that
I when I cook. My dad said, no, you have
to make the fire. You are the only one that
knows how to do it. It's a big pa. He
sent me away because I got very upset, so we
will speak later. When the bier was made, he got
me aside and he told me, my son, I understand
you wanted to do the cooking, to put the spoon,
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to steer the pot, but actually you were in charge
of the most important which is making the fire and
controlling the fire. If you control the fire, you can't
do any cooking. You want control the fire and you
will be in control of your destiny. I think that
probably was the moment that they saw that yes, cooking
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was in my future, not just physically that was going
to be my profession, but understanding that if we all
learn and understand what our fire is, we can achieve
anything we want in the world. What a wonderful story.
You know. We started working together a better decade ago
in Haiti. Ever since then, when we come in contact,
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it's usually because somebody is in trouble and you're they're
trying to help them. It's true that I began working
with the Clinton Global Initiative right after the earthquaking Haiti
bad But now because I'm here and this is your
podcast and you're the president and this is your show,
and I'm trying used to to look like I want
to impress you, but you had a huge impact on me,
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Mr President. I need to go back to six Washington,
d C. I arrived Washington myself, and you were coming
every year around Thanksgiving time, even you show a few
other times with Mrs Clinton. And you came to a
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place which is still is one of the most amazing
organizations called d C Central Kitchen, where Robert Eggert, the founder,
one of the of the guys that has had had
a huge influence in me, created this kind of badly
called soup kitchen because it's much more fits a nine
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people a day. And you you were there billy potatoes
and cooking turkeys and and but also we take homeless
out of the streets and then we cleaned them, and
then we trained them to be cooks, and then we
graduate them and then we find them jobs in the community.
It's the type of organizations that we need to be
telling America about because they are really effective and his
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organizations that they don't throw money at the problem, but
they invest into solutions. And in one of your visits,
you you you were working hard like anybody else. But
one time you kind of gave a speech because it
was senators and congressmen coming also. And on your speech,
I was twenty six years old. For some reason, you
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put me in that speech and you mentioned Jose addressed
as an example of volunteers in America. Every year listen
to this. Every single year, here five thousand volunteers roll
up their sleeves and give something back to their community.
People like Josiandre is one of the premier young chefs
in America. See here today, stand up here holiday. Despite
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the literally crazy demands at his job, he comes here
every single week to share his passion and his skills
with all the students, and he encourages other friends to
join him every time he comes. And I'm telling you
that that had a huge influence on me because you
know you you you did recognize me, even I didn't
spent that because I was used one more person, because
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he takes a village to to feed them empower a
lot of people. And that I remember forever the day
that President Clinton kind of recognize uh hosan dress when
he's six year old boy. So you had a big
influence on me in that sense of service to the
community and going be John your duty to serve folders,
and I've never stopped quite frankly, stay tuned for more
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of the conversation after this short break. You just arrived
before we started this conversation from Mozambique, where you've been
helping people in response to the terrible cyclone either which
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a lot of Americans, I have the feeling, don't have
any idea how truly horrible it is, partly because it
hit a lot of places in England Africa and we
haven't gotten enough film of it, but it's one of
the worst natural disasters to hit the lower part of
Africa in a very long time. So give us an update.
What do you do in Mozambique? How are they doing
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all right? So, in the moment we heard about the
cyclone uh seven, two hours later we had the team.
We opened a kitchen, then we open a second kitchen.
We're feeding on fourteen fifteenth referee camps, schools and hospital.
I'm here in a calm called Peacock. Here in the
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city of Merat. They were serving a chicken with rice.
Um you see uh bidlines or two three, four hours,
three takes around the people here. I see a lot
of time. Yesterday we reached almost twenty thousand meals a day.
We already reached our hundred fifty thousand mills. And that's
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why I went there to make sure my team was
doing good, that we were doing the right thing with
the color a break. Actually, I'm very happy because we're
super clean. The way we work, the way we make
people wise their hands before they get the food, et cetera,
et cetera, and in the process we feed as many
people as we can. So we partnered with World Food Program.
We partner obviously United Nations and and it's going well.
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I don't feel we're helping. I feel we're still learning.
Every time I show up, I show up with all
people that they've been before with us in missions, but
always we tried to bring new people. Why because he's
very important that we make people learn. How do you
learn by being there? Handsome? This is a truly global
organization and it's UH the World Central Kitchen, and how
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you have been able to mobilize people. This has been
a busy time for you because I want to come
back to Puerto Rico in a minute. But after the
terrible hurricane damage in Puerto Rico, Jose was there and
we started working together again there. But he's also been
to the Venezuelan border to feed people, to the Nebraska
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foodlands to feed people. And one of his World Central
Kitchens UH Kitchens was in the parking lot of my
Presidential Library in Arkansas because we had an unusual number
of people and in and around Little Rock affected by
the government shutdown. A load employees get to enjoy a
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chef made meal. It's part of the World's Central Kitchen,
which sends food trucks to natural disasters or where there's
some kind of need. We've got the need here. It's
all over the country for most partsback and Jeffree shows
us what's on the menu for a lot of for
a little folks and for how long? So the government
shutdown was a national emergency to a lot of people
who weren't getting paid and didn't have any other way
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to feed themselves. How much trouble do you have getting
adequate supplies to do what you're supposed to do? Well? Yeah,
the truth is that let me bring it to America.
One place that I have nine mares because he wish
I was there. It's almost a place like I wish
I was able to go back in time and be
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there and being able to call you and say I
need to help Katrina. The Super Dollar thousands are still
corralled here at the City Sports Arena the Superdome. Soldiers
from Oklahoma and Texas have piped in music, but it
doesn't seem to lift the mood, one of utter despair.
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We remember the nine married stories were coming up at
the Superdome. Thousands of Americans in a place without basic water, supplies, showers, food,
woman being read all these stories we heard. Do you
know what entire stadium is? Entire arena, a sports complex. Yeah,
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people will describe it as a place that you go
to watch an NBA team or a concert. But let
me tell you who I describe it. It's a gigantic
restaurant that entertains with NBA. That means you sent two
trucks and you said a little army of cooks. In
two hours, we open all the all the places that
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serve you, the hot dogs and the borgers, and in
two hours we are feeding every single person. America is
a gigantic restaurant. The only thing we do is we go.
We oversee what is left. What can't we have debate?
Do we have a kitchen, do we have to bring
a generator? Do we need to bring us? It's always
something around you. What we try to do is maximize
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what is around us. So when I go to more
difficult places like Muszambek or like Venezuela, Colombia in the border,
is not any different. It's always a restaurant somewhere. It's
always somebody with a generator that is not using. Is
somebody always with LPG. It's always is always the resources
out there. Only you need to be very quickly in adapting.
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That's what world central kitchen does We don't own hard assets,
we don't own har work, we own software. We can
go anywhere and adapt. If I am waiting for a
kitchen that is supposed to be deployed by the military
or by mars kor who knows who. Sometimes it's a week,
two weeks, three weeks later and you're still waiting for
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the kitchen. We don't wait, we don't plan, and we
don't meet. We arrived, we find the kitchen, we start cooking,
and we start feeding. In the process, the plan shows up.
When you go into a disaster zone, is the first
thing you do actually actressment of what the cooking capacity
is right now? Is that what you do first? Yeah,
we will very quickly assays where are we cooking? Who?
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Who has control of of goods, dry goods, any vestballs,
any anything is available, will make sure electricity through your
narrators will cover And obviously, guys, those are kind of
the four areas and the five which is the most important.
Besides the people that fly in first, who who are
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the local the local leaders that can't help us? And
the great thing is that, as you know, the wall
has to eat every day, so is is millions, hundreds
of millions of people that they are cooks, and we
realize that people love to come together and become one
and that's what we do. Um. So yes, the cooking facility,
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it's very important for us, and that's usually before we land.
We already now right now and thanks to your initiative,
Mr President, obviously for Puerto Rico and the Caribbean. Every
time we have a better idea of what are the
facilities we may use in case, for example of of
another hurricane. So, um, we have more than twenty thirty
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food trucks that we can be activating immediately. We have
many kitchens around the island, for example in Puerto Rico,
that we know which ones are the ones that if
they are safe from the hurricane, because you cannot just
say one kitchen. You have to prepare for the wars
of the wars, so you have to have many so
you're safe from all of them being badly damaged. So
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very much, that's what we're doing. Places we've been before.
Now I know what to do around and take away
the volcano explodes again. We know what to do in
Puero Rico if something happens again, we know what to
do in Florida, we know what to do, uh in
in in Nebraska, we know what to do the fires
in California. So every time we answer to one of those,
he's very important for us. He's is that all dec information,
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all these know how U doesn't disappear. We'll be right back.
Let me ask you this, when when you leave a
place World Central Kitchen and then I want to come back,
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specifically to Puerto Rico, because I don't think still people
in the United States fully understand the dimensions of the
challenge and how we have responded poorly. I think, But
when you leave a place, do you do an inventory
of the kinds of supplies that should be I think
the term of art is prepositioned, that's stockpiled so that
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if there's something else that happens, someone who knows less
than you do can show up and figure it out
in a hurry. We are we are talking about that then, specifically,
thanks to the the different groups you've created around that issue.
But sometimes I feel like, and don't misunderstand me with that,
but too much planning sometimes is too much. We need
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to do the right planning. And with that, I mean
the most important is obviously showing up, and the most
important is to start doing what you're supposed to do.
Let's say generators. A lot of the people that die
in Puerto Rico, is a President. They die because lack
of electricity. Why because it's many otherly that they had
issues breathing. They needed machines to help them breathe. My
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mom had one. I know he needs electricity and recharging
if she's going away away from home. When people had
no electricity for weeks and months in different parts of
Puerto Rico high up in the mountains, or they had
a generator and somebody could provide them gas, or those
people were going to eventually get in trouble and maybe die.
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I can't tell you that we had hundreds of generators
pile in some one for weeks, but nobody was doing
the distribution. Sometimes to have assets, that's an equal good response, Mr. President.
To have the assets alone, it's not good enough. Distribution
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is key, and distribution you need people that really are
very much willing to do whatever it takes to bring
that generator, that play, the food, those medicines, or whatever
it takes to the people that need them. So distribution,
to me is more important than the prepositioning of the assets.
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Even do misunderstand me. Wilmington, we did a very good job.
I was very happy with my team y because before
the hurricane came in, we already had four kitchens preposition
around the state. But more important in Wilmington, we had
two tracks because we knew that the hurricane was coming
that way. We had two and higher tracks full of
food worth ten days for at least ten thousand people. Hello,
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people of America here uh Hossian address. Already from our
headquarters in Wilmington. We have another kitchen in Rally. We're
gonna be producing today between both kitchens on the north
of fifteen thousand, if it's needed, probably will reach twenty thousand.
I think we're gonna be fitting a total of around
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twenty five shelters. We are doing the map so yes,
to understand the assets and pready position those assets is
very important. But what is more important at the end
of the day is the willingness to adapt and then
the willingness to do distribution. If you don't do this solution,
that's no matter how much how many assets you have
in hand, is if they don't reach the people equals
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zero zero relief. We'll talk about Puerto Rico this a
little bit. It's amazing. Maybe apparently a lot of Americans
don't even know that Puerto Rico is part of the
United States. It's a territory, but as a terror tory,
it has different rules in terms of how it gets healthcare.
For example, they're not in Medicaid, they don't get the
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snap food assistance programs. They get block grants, and lately
there's been a a fair amount of confusion about how
much aid they've gotten. So so, I mean, we know
about that. I don't want to get into politics, but
let's just talk about facts. I mean, you and I've
been there. I'm interested in the people. The American people
need to know this. Last year, before the Democrats had
one House of Congress, when both houses were Republicans, they
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voted to give six hundred million dollars in food aid
to Puerto Rico, which has still not been released. We
still need help in Puerto Rico just feeding people because
of money that has been appropriated by our Congress on
a totally by part of the basis has not been released.
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So we need to think about going forward for Puerto Rico,
how they cannot be hungry again, and there are lots
of other health and development issues. But this is crazy.
But there are Americans. But I know that you believes
as many that Probrequly is a huge opportunity for for America.
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It's a rich island, it is rich in human and
natural resources. It's an ecological miracle and it should be
a very prosperous place. And to go back to what
you said, I know there have been some problems in
the past, but recently we went to Puerto Rico together
to look at what is being done. We're helping hon
Or maybe could help on And you took me to
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meet this astonishing young couple who could be making a
lot more money doing something else, who decided they wanted
to do environmentally sustainable for me and run important part
of the family. Yeah, and how much land the uthfarm
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fertually So we have an acre and a half of land,
and we started only cultivating half an acre, and after
Maria we have taken our commitment even further and we
grow to the other acre. We have ability, so now
we have an acre and a half. A freeman And
who are your customers? My customers are basically direct consumers.
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So we have been growing the business on the farms
through word of mouth. So now we have like a
big network of people, family and people that know people
that have come to support us and buy our products locally.
And I think a subscriber in two years, yes, yes,
uh so basically we delivered direct to them either in
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their houses. I thought a lot about that young couple
you took me to see. Yeah, that was Franco Italia,
Franco and Italia. You know the people I help in Africa.
They want their children to go to school so they
can do better. And all I've got is a half
acre of land or an acre of land, and it's
a joyful thing. But the thing that was encouraged by
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the Puerto Rico project is these people were young and
educated and they were taking a hit to become farmers
for the first few years of their married life, their
family life. They won't do as well probably as that.
Whatever if they done, they were probably ten of the
things they could have done. They did it because they
know that they had to learn to feed themselves on
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that island. They know that sustainable agriculture and small farmers
are the future of the region, which is one of
the two most vulnerable in the world to climate change
and rising sea levels. They know this, and that's something
you should be really proud of that you're involved in
something where young, articulate, educated, far sided people say I'm
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gonna stay here and we're gonna make this a farm,
just a place on the side of the hill, and
will you selp me. Sur President is what we call
Ploat to Plate, where we did in the first eight
nine months UH during UH give grants between five thousand
and to round forty farmers, and then just recently after
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your trip to Puerto Rico with your foundation, we announced
with partners that we're going to increase the total number
up to four million dollars to impact another two hundred farms.
So those two farmers you're talking are used a big
family of farmers all across the island that we hope
to make sure that those farmers are part of a
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new Puerto Rico where Puerto Rico will stop importing nine
of the food they consume. This is crazy. We're gonna
try to reach at least of the foods Puerto Ricans
eat to be produced in Puerto Rico, creating a local economy,
creating jobs, creating an identity and make sure that in
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the process we keep pushing Puerto Rico forward. First, I
want to thank you because I know much you do
and so many places you're always there. But I thank
you for also being willing to stay in places until
they don't make you anymore. So bless you for that
and all else, and thanks for everything you've done. Thank
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you for super and little farms like this show us
the way for puer Rico being food independent. So right
now I Wasn't a Kitchen has invested giving grants to
more than forty farms. I'm very soon we're gonna be
announcing many more with c AI as our partners, and
I want to make sure that Wasn't Kitchen in a
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way exist because we've seen the work of CEI over
the years how ci go is community to community, country
to country and use partners with local initiatives to make
them stronger. To degree with General Kitchen, what we are
is a foot arm of many of these initiative CEI does.
We we are chefs for the people, so we help
to make sure that the places we are they become
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food independent after hurric or well be young Where foy
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solving required the active partnership of government, business, and civil society.
Over the years, are proven model has grown to include
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