"VILLAIN SUPPORT SYSTEM!" w/ Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Will you accept This Rose? A production of
I Heart Radio. Oh, somebody just got tested for cold.
Things are pretty good, you know what. You might want
to wait till I get my test backs where you
ask me that question? And it's not because I'm living

(00:25):
my best life. Oh no, I'm a full mole person.
My tire pop and I went to the mechanic. That's
my sexy rich. I did have a doughnut on my
car for eight weeks and that was starting to leak,
so I had to go get a new tire. Hello,
welcome to Well except this Rose. My name is Arta Marine,
coming to you for my fancy garage in Los Angeles, California. Guys, journeyman,

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I'm so excited to have our guests here today, and
I feel a little bit like a complete garbage person,
bait and switcher in that I knew the assignment sucked.
I knew generally when I bring somebody in, when I
bring a rookie into the podcast, I'm excited for them
because I actually know they're going to have fun watching

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The Bachelor. I can't say with any honesty that that
is the case on these greatest of all time episodes,
because the editing and the three hour unnecessary time filler
length coming out of Chris Harrison's Romata in of a
study operated by his son who hates him is truly
this is not the greatest of all time. This is

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really testing my patients. That being said, the podcasts have
been a blast, and I feel maybe they're trying to
make better podcasts so we're so angry that we're like
looking for a place to have attention release out. So yes,
these are my new friends, and this is my first
betrayal towards them. I have tricked to them. I learned
them with candy and they got trickery and shadow play

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and witchcraft and black magic, and that's on me. But
now at least I've owned it. And we're gonna have
a sacred circle where we can we can have a
like a fight club. We could just leave it on
the field with There's two gentlemen here today and what
I love I love both of them individually. What I
love about them together is that their best friends who
are men that just where their best Because I love

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my friends too hard and I feel like they openly
love each other so hard. Um. I was recently on
their podcast Less Culture Stas, which is can I just
say the greatest podcast ever? And as really i'd be
like their podcast and anything. Brian Softye is on I
worked getting me to do this quarantine. I'll just throw

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one of them on and I walk around and I
feel like everything's gonna be okay. Um. By the way, yeah,
I only got I only got COVID tested because on
my flat tire. I wish it was for an exciting,
sexy reason. The first gentleman you might know him, he's
He was a writer for many years and now he's
a cast member on the television phone Saturday Night Live.

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He also is a cast member on Aquafina is Nora
from Queens, which is incredible. Um. He is the host
of US called Rastas. I'm gonna say he's a media darling.
He's fucking hilarious. He's a joy, he just woke up
from a nap, and he's my precious treasure from Colorado.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Bowen Yang, Hello, how are you? I'm good.
I'm sorry I was zonked out when you were first
checking in with me. Want you as you are. I'm
so happy. We don't need you to be anything other
than how you are. That's that's the truth. How I
am as happy? Are you? That's good? Yes? I feel

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how I am right now? I feel okay, right now,
I'll be honest with you. I put on some lip gloss.
That's feeling good. I've got I've cut my own hair
a three times. Have you guys, have you got a
pro hair cut yourself? Not yet, I'm not doing it.
It's not happening until the vaccine. I bought myself some
high end clippers and I got a razor, and uh,

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it's starting to get a little wide. I'm not gonna lie.
I feel like my last one is not as exciting
as I want. My last cut wasn't as much. I
cut too much from I bobbed it and I was
fishing with us. Also, he also hosts the wonderful podcast
Let's called Theresta's, which is a joy and you should
listen to it and it's so fun. And they have

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a thing called I Don't Think So honey, and it's
the greatest thing ever. And I might have to do
one today. Um. He is also the host of Gay
the game show on Quimby Um. He was a writer
on the other two. He's been on shrill. He is adorable,
a g D. Delight Ladies and gentlemen, American treasure. Matt Rogers, Well,

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going into tonight, I was really excited. This is this
is such a blast, and I have to say I'm
I'm thrilled, and I have been awake all day wide
awake ready for this. Oh my god, were you just
slamming Bowen? And I hope you No. It wasn't a slam.
It was just it was just really an observation on
how people can go about doing days so differently. You

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know a lot of people they wake up in the
morning and they sort of like survived for a few
hours throughout the day, and then they'll take what's called
a nap or a siesta. I sleep in very late,
some would say socially unacceptable amount of time to sleep in,
and then I'm awake throughout the day. I've done both
of those in my life. I've done that and a nap.

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And I think I was fessed in that college. What
time do you wake up? Matt Roger, Well, here's the thing.
I actually was really impressive. So after living in New
York for ten years, I find that it's impossible to
wake up in the morning in New York, and then
I moved to Los Angeles and something about just the
l a like maybe it's the dryness or like natural
light that's happening. I will wake up naturally every day

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eight am. However, now with the COVID of it all,
I have been sort of sleeping until like eleven eleven thirty,
which I which I hate for me, I hate, Oh
my god, I love that for you. I find that
that actually because I feel like that's what my body
clock wants to do. And I drag her out of
bed early like no art, and people who like themselves

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get up early. And I say, people who like themselves good,
up early, but but they're tired. And then I I
given my druthers. The problem is I nap too hard,
and then it's really for at night. But when how
do nap every day? I have? I don't nap every day.
I used to nap so well, and in the last
I would say five years, it's really deluded. My nap

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strength is deluded. And now I'm just taking like these
little nothing naps that don't make me feel rested. But
like supposedly it's the twenty minute naps that are supposed
to like be the perfect length, and it's not sticking.
I'm such a master of nap it to anybody out there.
And if you're listening to this at a later day,
I want to say, if it's winter time and you
decide to take a nap, which you should because you've
earned it, nap with the lights on so you don't

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wake up confused wondering in case you sleep too hard.
I don't want you to my precious babies out there
to worry that you slept through Thursday. Put the lights
on so you have some idea with us. Also, are
a woman who should be getting a tan about now?
This is the time of year. Should we go out
in bikinis and go hiking and whatnot? And Anna should
now be officially Anna Tanna? How are you? How's your

(07:34):
how's your tanning situation happening? I haven't been tanning at all.
I'm not I'm not classic Tanna right now. I'm we
need to do a kickstarter for a tanning bed for you. Yeah,
please please quick? Are you usually like a tan queen
because I am too. I get fairy tan? Yeah, me too.
It's the Greek in me, oh Mediterranean. If I just

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get wrinkly, burned and freckled like pink. But I appre
I wish I had a little Greek. Katie Levine is
also here, you guys, here we go. Let's get to it.
Let's just break it down. I'm so sorry you had
to watch three hours of Ben Higgins. Overall thoughts, tell me,
I want you to know that the show was really
fun when you don't watch it in one terrible long

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edit with weird things of Chris Harrison's house and his
son and checking it like it's just all I felt
like was somebody on the on the orchestra on the
side being like fill it, stretch it out, and feel
like ABC is run out of programming and they're just
stretching it out. It really needs to be said, how
horrible Chris Harrison is, Like he sucks so bad, Like

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he is just so boring, He's so nothing. And I realized,
I sort of vocalized last night why it's right that
he's nothing, because so often the bachelors are also nothing.
They are not scared of a spicy bachelor, right, and
so Ben is he's a handsome guy, but ultimately nothing,
and so in or two like not detract from the

(09:03):
fact that they have a not engaging person as the
lead of the show selling the franchise. You can't have
someone that's in any way going to show him up.
And so that's why I think they've cast what is
like a total cipher. It's completely bad, Like he's truly wallpaper,
and I've actually seen wallpaper. I'm more interested in than him,

(09:24):
like like Ardens, Like like for example, Arden's in her
podcast studio. That's like if that if that podcast studio
wanted to apply to host the show, I think it
would actually not get the job because clearly what I'm
saying is they don't want anyone taking away from the
person that's supposed to be the most interesting person in
the world, and that's why they have the least interesting

(09:44):
person in the world hosting it. I will say I
think they do pick very safe mail leads. Um, I'm
gonna take us through the episode and feel free. Here
we are and we are in once again, and Chris
Harrison's like, like, awful. It looks like a Ramada in lobby.
This guy must have all the money in the world.

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And then he has his one book that he's written,
the perfect letter displayed behind him over his shoulder. I
looked it up. It is out of print. It's not
you can't get a new cop advertising it. I actually
bought one, and I'm curious. I have sent one. It's
on its way. It's gonna take a while because it's
not new, so it's not there were no prime options.
You couldn't prime it to anyone. I'm sending it to

(10:27):
Jerry Trainer, who does our podcast, who was on I Carly.
He doesn't know that it's coming. Don't tell anybody who's listening.
I he does our podcast, and he's tortured by Chris Harrison.
So at some point in his life there'll be no note.
I couldn't wrap it, but but the Perfect Letter will
be arriving at Jerry Train. It's a novel. He wrote
a novel. It's sort of like a Nicholas Sparks book
where she like breaks up with the guy of her

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dreams and then she goes back to her home. That's
what Chris Harrison wrote. It's called the Perfect Letter. There's
an undertone of Christianity. I think there has to be. Now.
I don't know if you noticed, but when Ben Higgins
took a shirt off, he had a tattoo on his
ribs at the scripture He had scripture tattoo. Yeah, of
course did. Honestly, he is so perfectly what they were

(11:11):
looking for in the Bachelor, and it's so it's really
is you can see in sort of the Ben Higgins
Bachelor model, like really, what's where we've arrived at with
like capitalism. It's like this is an aspirational person. It's
like a vaguely attractive because you know what he is attractive,
but it's like sort of like who cares attractive with

(11:32):
vague Christian imagery on there? Probably if you actually asked
him what the stuff he has written on his body means,
he may not be able to tell you, etcetera. Have
you guys ever watched the show, because I know you
watched Survivor well, but when what's your experience with Batch?
I watched the Rachel Lindsay season, but I kind of
petered out towards the end. Peter. Yeah, we love Peter.

(11:58):
When Peter and she was like when she actually chose Brian,
she was such a great bachelorette, but then her like
digging in the heels and I've actually developed more complicated
feelings about this recently, very recently, because when you were
on last culture resas, we did talk about how me
and Bowen saw the Rachel Lindsay season, and I I've

(12:20):
realized that I actually think she made the right decision.
And here's why I'm I'm actually probably shock a lot
of people with this. But fact of the matter is
I was thinking about this day literal one. She was
on fire for Brian. She was on fire, and this
is a and the reason I watched her season is
because I could tell from like an interview that she

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did that she was smart. I wanted to support the
fact that they had finally chosen a black lead. And
not only that, but like she was smart, she's funny,
she's like politically active and not afraid to say what
she thinks. She's beautiful, she's engaging. I was like, I
could watch her go all around the world. I want
to be on her journey here as she finds this guy.

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And the fact of the matter is when someone is
like this incredible person, I believe that that she really
was on fire for Brian, and that ultimately at the
end of the day, I was disappointed in her because
I think I sort of felt for the Peter edit,
because Peter is a dream boat and a great girl.
But she didn't want to. She didn't want to, like,
in her bones fuck Brian for the rest of I

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mean Peter for the rest of her life, be with Peter.
She and I believe Rachel, I think she did and
her bones want to fuck him. But I think she
wanted to be with a guy that wanted her. But
here's the thing, and bow and tell me if you
agree with this. After the fantasy suits, if it's like
close between two guys and she's banged both those guys

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and it's like I know what I want to do,
then pretty much you can have a sense of But
she wanted him to want to propose. I think she
wanted Peter Katie right like she wanted Peter. That Peter
was like, I just want to be your boyfriend, and
she was like, I didn't come here to get a boyfriend.
He was He was like you. She was like, you

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have to propose or I won't, Like you're not going
to be He was like, well, I only want to
propose once and I really like you. But this is
new And but the way that she says it now
and I don't think she's lying about this because she
seems to me like she seems to me to be
like a real like a real girl like she is.
She says exactly what she means. I love her. I

(14:23):
love her and I still do. And I think that
she's been amazing about being so outspoken about being like
I will leave this franchise if there is not a
person of color lead we need. It's it's crazy and
it's in in watching this three hour episode. The lack
of diversity is shocking. It is unacceptable. It is it
is so is the fact that we had We'll get there,

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But that's true. Fact that we had the amazing Jubilee
and Jubilee. They didn't check him with. Jubilee was disengaged
and didn't want to. I know that. My only prayer
is that Julie didn't want to be there like she
wanted She was on Bachelor Paradise, so I mean, she
wasn't done with the franchise immediately. But we loved Jubile,
all right. So here we go. Ben up top. He's

(15:06):
in Indiana. He's shooting basketball. Is he feels unlovable? That
is the thinglab You've got this hot tag guy that
feels unlovable, like that was the perfect thing. Sorry, he's
been rejected, and he stated a couple of women, yes, Bowen.
Sorry sorry, sorry sorry sorry, Like, like was that Ben's
entire identity because like in the past, we have like
the Virgin Bachelor, you have the pilot Bachelor. Like Ben's

(15:27):
whole thing was he was on season eleven Bachelorrette and
he was he was on Caitlin season. She was a
great bachelorette, and he was on Caitlyn And that's when
I started. I'm only in starting, I must look a
late to the franchise. He was in Caitlyn season. Ben
was actually our first podcast season we broke down and
and he confessed to her in a moment that was

(15:49):
very charming that he secretly believed that he was not
lovable and that's his whole thing in his season of
the Bachelor. Now, like, yes, that is his main although
I that was his damage. But I didn't feel like
they dragged it through Katie. What do you say, Like,
I wouldn't say they didn't really drag it through the

(16:09):
whole thing, but that was what I think maybe got
him the title. Yeah, and then also remember he like
the next season of the season after he went to
Paradise and did that whole thing where he like dressed
like a Marriotchie player and like went on the beach
and was like, oh lovable. Do you remember that? He
played it up after he milt it so that he
became that he went from the guy who's unlovable to

(16:31):
the guy who said I love I'm in love with
you to two women. Was like that he sort of switched.
But so then this season he actually had pretty fun ladies.
We've got We've got the twins, Olivia the news anchor, Um.
We had Jubilee, Uh Kayla with her bouncy hair. So
Kayla got the first date and they're both in software

(16:51):
sales and she had like full breck hair. And they
go with Kevin harton ice Cube to like a dirty,
cracked old spa store in the valley with party lights,
and they showed like the whole date and I was like, Oh,
we're in for a night like this is they don't
have anything to air. Matt, what did you think of
the Kevin Hart ice Cube date. I mean, I thought

(17:12):
it was a great excuse to get Kevin Hart and
ice Cube on the show. I mean they certainly booked
them on the show, and they definitely did it. I mean,
Kevin Hart definitely farted in that tub and it probably
was the funniest thing that a lot of people that
I've watched the show I've ever seen. So I celebrate
the show for their ability to book celebrity guests. I

(17:33):
think that, um, I once saw I think it was
another season and they had Ashton and Mila one was it, Rachela.
Amy Schumer has been on the They had was hilarious
on the show. Amy Schumer is great. Nick Offerman and
Megan Malayalia been on the There was a really good

(17:55):
part of it when Amy Schumer was on where the
guy was like, I just don't want to like because
they were like right like comedy stand up bits and
he was like. The guy was like, I just don't
want to be like too smart for the audience, and
Amy Schumer goes, I'm going to stop you right there.
You're not. Don't worry about that, you are not. Yes, Well,
I feel like there's like weird super fans of this show. Um,

(18:17):
we see the crazy twins clogging the sheer a fact
that they cast identical hot twins from Vegas. The twins
who are a real casting find. I mean they they
I was thinking to myself, like I wonder if there's
a world where they would have been okay with him
picking both of them. I even you kind of get

(18:40):
the feeling watching this that they they've been in Vegas
and like create like, I don't know, Anna, what do
you think that there there's like a that you kind
of feel that they've been sold as like this package
in Vegas in the past, the toll twins thing. I
can't really wrap my mind around. It's so inappropriate to
people in this situation where you have to pick one

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girl who looks exactly like another girl, Like there's something
so dark about that that I can't And then they're
also like performers where they perform as twins, like when
they were like hello, nice to meet you at the
same time that I mean, they clogged together. So it's
like it's not even just like twins. It's like weird,
like sort of this they essentially cast the same person.

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It's weird. They're weird and paradise. I remember watching one
of them. I remember watching them get each other ready
for a date, and they had like they had like
Tanner wipes like self Tanner wipes, and I remember watching
one of them put like down the ass whole like
of the other one, like wiping into the ass crack,

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Like do you remember that? Do you remember that? I
remember it. I can never forget something like that. Yeah, Like,
can I have a sibling. I can't imagine my brother ever,
like wiping my ass crack with Tanner? No, but did
they did they? Did they get sent home at the
same on the same day. No, Yeah, that was That's
what confused me. The whole thing is so crazy. Then

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we have a little so then they're like, okay, okay,
I really feel like ABC is trying to be woke,
and they're like, remember we had Jubilee, like didn't get
her back, but like she was so great, She's so beautiful.
She's an army veteran. She and she was cool and
she was like I have trouble talking around you sometimes.
She's obsessed with hot dogs. Um, and that she was

(20:30):
her entire family had died and like she said that
she worried that she wasn't lovable. She was adopted, she
was in an orphanage, and she was the only surviving
person of her family. And I just loved her. I
wish she was a bachelorette. I would like to know how, Like,
were you surprised that they didn't cut to her Anna,

(20:51):
Like I was waiting for a check in with Jubile.
I feel like Jubilee has turned away from this this
franchise after her turn in uh Paradise, where they didn't
even she was cook right away, or like she just
left and they didn't explain why she left. Maybe that

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was the second time she went back, but she just
was like at one point, they're like, Jubilee and Venmo
John didn't work out, Jubilee left and we're all like
what and then it was like, gone, don't worry about it,
that's right. I forgot that she was with Venmo John
for a second. Venmo John. There was a guy named
John who worked at Venmo Then that's the classy name

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Venmo John. I love that. I feel like Jubilee honestly
was probably approached to do a check in and she
was like, if you think that right now, I am
coming on Bachelor your three hour Bachelor Corporate asked Garbage
to like talk about the ways in which I think

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that she probably is incredibly smart and has moved on
from this, and I think they filmed this months ago.
I guarantee you that, because Kayla says that she's been
engaged since January and it's been a few months. It's
been a few months. I think these were all filmed
in one weird weekend with Chris Harrison and his son Um.

(22:18):
I think they banged this out when they're like, okay,
ship Claire is not going to get to Okay, let's
do it in April. Like, I think they banged it
all out in one weekend, well before anything went down
with any like you, I wouldn't be surprised if, like
her viewpoint on the franchise is similar to Rachel's, which

(22:41):
is like, what the hell I mean? Like, I think
that if she was not asked to be the Bachelorette,
that's a mistake because she very clearly is the most engaging,
most unique, followable person that they depicted last night in
this show. And I wouldn't be surprised if she kind
of feels like hind typing. Maybe she's still a fan

(23:03):
of the show. I know she like still watches it
and tweets about it, but she's got a private Instagram. Yeah,
she she has really disappeared from like public life for her.
But she but she is I think, like anyone else
in the world who has a brain, like I've read
it really like sort of galvanized and like really is
working hard right now in this in this cultural moment.

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So I wouldn't be surprised if, like maybe she did
they did check in with her and she was like,
I don't want to be used, like or something like that,
because it was odd that they did not follow up
with her, and they did follow up with like Lace.
I know, I did think this all happened before. I
do think this, any of this happened before. But like
I bet they would have begged Jubilee. Yeah, o god,

(23:53):
they should have. She would be the most interesting bachelorette,
Like I think about hometowns, like just shot. It would
just be like it would be like a study on grief.
It would be a study on like resilience. And she's
so hot and she's a veteran. She's like she's like
a like black woman. She's a veteran, she's interesting, she

(24:14):
has a dynamic past. She but the fact of the
matter is like and Rachel talks about this a little
bit too liked. Did you know there was a ratings
dip when Rachel was the Bachelor. It's so fucked up
because she's so obviously the best bachelorette, but there was
a ratings dip because the viewing audience is racist, and
I think that they they don't, they just don't. There's

(24:35):
a lot. So I think that the way you do
that is, like, you have to get this viewing audience
used to seeing a more diverse cast and that's not
something they've done until recently. Because you look at this
cast when you're like, yeah, no, wonder they're shocked when
you have a black lead. You haven't like, you haven't
had any black cast members. And you also like, I know,
and there's there's actually we always talk We've been talking
about this every week, but there's a great Instagram account

(24:58):
called Batch Diversity that has petition going, that had the
petition going that I think helped get the first black
Bachelor cast. But they're also petitioning to have thirty five
representation of like, you know, a diverse cast. They want
people behind the scenes. They want to be equitable screen time.
So even if the cast is like, they want fair

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equal screen time, they want mental health resources to help
support um, you know, any minority people that go on
and have to help deal with the because it's like
an unusual situation. So go to Badge Diversity and sign
the petition and post about it. Think about also, like
what Jubilee had to deal with in the house, being

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the only black woman there in the house with all
these women, Like like, that's another thing. It's not even
just about like Oncomera representation, it's about the experience she
must Yeah, I think there was like two other wasn't Jamie.
There's like two other African American women there. Maybe there
was one girl who didn't like belive, uh Jamie Jamie

(26:02):
and I don't remember. Unfortunately, don't show them, you don't.
I recall she came in and my crazy and I
feel like there was two women. But yeah, I can't
even imagine. It's And what's interesting is like Paradise has
actually gotten much more like I feel like Paradise is

(26:22):
looks more like the rest of the world a little
bit like because but Paradise looks like the rest of
the world. It really does. Guys, it's getting better. Um, okay,
So then we have uh, they go to the pig Island.
I remember this group date and there was his pigs
swimming and then the pigs just start attacking all the women.
The pigs were like attacking Jojo and I remember this

(26:45):
was like a disaster of a group date, which I
very much enjoyed. Um, and then we get the beauty.
I have to say Lace was an incredible character because
what was funny was you thought Lace was going to
be the villain and then and then Olivia ended up
being the villain. But Lace came out hard. It was
so fun as a villain because she just was hammered,

(27:06):
like from the get go, and her eyes are closed.
She's like close your eyes like the first kiss, you know,
and he's like, well you got it, you know. And
then she's like I just want then want me? Do
you notice me? Do you even know that? I mean,
you didn't even look at me. I talked to your saying,
it's so fun to watch, like I felt like my

(27:26):
drunk aunt at Thanksgiving. But like he was hot and
like a real estate agent her deaver w was like
trying to corner Ben Higgins and she's so hot, but
then like clearly his hands were full. Did you enjoy Lace?
Matt rogers. Um, did I enjoy lace? Yeah, I identify
um with someone being like, Hi, you didn't look at me.

(27:48):
I get her. Um. I also ultimately felt really sad
for her because her realization that she is like not
well completely, I think. And also I think that probably
she came off weird to the audience, but I don't know, like,
knowing what I know about the way it's produced and everything,

(28:10):
I think that she was genuinely coming to the realization that, like,
I need to step away from this because it's not
good for me and probably good for people watching this
to see me like this. I don't like the message
and sending. I don't like this psychologically what it's doing
to me, and I need to remove myself. And even
though I might look crazy in the moment doing this,
it's better I do this now than I continue to spiral,

(28:31):
because I need help. She's the only character that's been
on it that had the wherewithal to actually pull herself
out of like by the scruff of the neck, Like
she actually had enough wherewith a pretty early on, because
she made a high impact low episodes like pretty early on,
made a big impression and was the only person I've

(28:52):
ever seen who was like, you know what, this probably
isn't for the best of everybody, Like as my tattoo says,
if you can't love yourself, ain't nobody gonna love you?
Like I was like, you know, she was like the
and but it was just amazing. It was like we
have eye contact glory where I fucking these bitches because
suck it. And then she was like, I was very dork.
Let me I was very dork When can I tell

(29:15):
you a picture? Bow and let me tell you a picture.
I was very dorky looking when I was a kid.
I had two sets of bangs Wassanta dana. And then
she starts crying like I ruined my chance. And because
this was at the lace, I promised myself I would
be the bad lace came out and I just thought
and then she was mad at herself and and it

(29:36):
was and then and then we saw her today. Well,
and Yang, how did you feel about seeing the present
day lace? I was happy to see present day lace.
The ring light against her makeup on her face, her
no favors. It was a different tone from her neck
and her shoulders. Yes, um, but she seems remarkably she

(29:57):
seems really well adjusted now though, I really do I see.
I feel like she's like a best case scenario what
happens to a reality show person who kind of makes
a fool of themselves and then his like and then yeah,
I mean it speaks to like her self awareness and
her agency to like first of all, pull away from
the show in the moment, and then second of all
to like come back to it years later and be like, yeah,

(30:19):
like I'm not even like that. That's that's not who
I want. That's not who I am, and I've changed.
It was kind of cool. I I enjoyed the lace
check in and were you gm it on life? Man?
Lanes is such an interesting character to me because did
you also know she denied that's what her tattoo sat
at the end of hers like, that's not what it
started your own tattoo and she was like, what is it?

(30:40):
Kind of Harrison, she was like, she was like, that's
what it said as my tattoos does who were just
going off the info you gave us. Yeah, Also, what
you guys don't know is she went on to Paradise
and was engaged to that guy Grant, and Grant turned
out an interesting character her. Yeah, they got a grace tattoo,

(31:02):
Grant lace, that's the whole thing. And then Grant and
her broke up, and Grant went on Bachelor in Paradise,
Australia and then hooked up with this girl Ali, this
Australian girl Ali, but then ended up breaking up with
Ali after he walked in on her on a night
where they'd been drinking in l A getting eaten out

(31:22):
in his stairway by his friend, and so he walked
in on her. She wouldn't kiss anyone, and then she
came to a late to visit and then and then
allegedly he found her like getting eaten out in the
Sarah and then told everyone. He told everyone, and he
went on a podcast and told everyone, Yeah, and that's
why they broke up. And then she became the bachelorette.

(31:45):
She became Bachelor at Australia. And I love that she
became the bachelorette though, because I think that that is
the kind of person I would like to see on
television more. It's like, no, I'm not kissing you, eat
my pussy, Like that's the kind of ship I want.
I think we can benefit from that type of lead
more than like the Ben Higgins is of the world.

(32:07):
Women are more The women are more like that. I
feel like the guys are so vanilla, and I find
that the female leads are more fun like, They're a
little more they got more excitement. The guys are so
these are not got The only sexy guy they had
turned out to be such a piece of ship one Pablo.
You think he was the sexiest one. I think at

(32:29):
first he was the only one that had any game,
and then like like he was the only one that
any sex appeal, But then he turned out to be
such a dirt ball. I don't know why I'm so
attracted to Nick Vile. Okay, he he's a lovely guy.
He's a friend of the podcast. I'm going to say
I didn't think he was a great bachelor because he
I think he'd been through the machine. He'd seen behind

(32:49):
the curtain so many times. You saw the lightly of
his eyes after a while, Yeah, he was checked out.
He was like road hard and put away wet. Have
you met him? He's very hot in person. No, I've
never met him, but be he's got big dick energy. Yeah.
I mean, for anyone that Rachel thought she was in
love with I'm in love with Yeah, who would you pick?

(33:10):
Brian with his cheekbones and his mom, Peter with a
salty heritage teeth gap or nick Vale and his b D. Honestly,
I think that, like it's a scary answer, Like I
think I think I might be down for Brian the
most because he I think he's got like the most
sexy energy, but very long island. Brian's very long. That's

(33:32):
the thing is. It's like it's a thing like intrinsic
in me, Like that's sort of like what's his last name?
Abo Solo dr Abs. He has like a mug that's
his doctor Abbs. The thing about him though, was chiropractors
are not doctors. Um, but it's funny that he calls
himself the doctor um. But doctor Abs. I love um.
The thing is I actually, out of the four that

(33:54):
were Rachel's top four, my favorite was it was it
would be between Dean and Eric. I like, is hot?
Dean is so hot? Okay, well let's talk about that.
So Dean comes back and we see Dean and Kaylin
and they're like in the van and I have to
tell you we've met Dean. He is so fucking hot,

(34:21):
Like you see where he needed to put that ring
on because he's not going to stop people like his eyes,
he's something. He's really tall. Can we just that he's tall.
He's a tall guy. His eyes are so mesmerizing and
he's had a little twinkle in his eyes. And do

(34:41):
you remember from her season he's got that terrible dad
is at s where his mom is. His dad became
a seek after his mom died and like and then
like I remember they had them at like the yur
and they were like feeding like nick vile mung beans. No,
it was and I'm sorry it was as Rachel. They

(35:01):
laid on the floor and she told him that she
loved him. Did she told her she was in love
with him. So we met him right after that before
Paradise where and it was literally we did Outside Lands
and we were concerned because we were the earliest show
of the entire Outside Lands Festival of any It was
a broad daylight, you know, and like competing against like

(35:23):
like a musical act like and so we're like no
one's and tickets are expensive. We're like, literally no one
is going to come. It's like eight am. It was
so crowded because of Dean I truly believe it was
as if it was like, um, Robert Pattinson at the
height of twilight and I had to go get him

(35:43):
and lock him through the crowd. That it took me
like five minutes to walk him to our our tent
because so many girls will be like even I gotta
keep going, we gotta keep going. Yeah, because he smartem
you didn't leave, So I don't know. I I thought
he was this this is the thing. I this was

(36:04):
my pull in watching in watching his interview with his
now fiance or whatever is happening. It's like he has
stumbled upon like this idea that you don't have to
get married to wear a ring or be committed, and
you could tell this was like something that he had
worked for years to arrive at. And I'm like, this
is like not that intellectual of a place to arrive,

(36:27):
but he had when she had treated it like it
was this thing, like this major breakthrough he had made,
and I was like, cool, dude, you have a girlfriend.
But they spent like truly so long last night and
explaining that they wear rings and are committed to each
other but are not getting married. It was just like,
do we need any more time understanding they're not going
to get married. Okay, he doesn't want to marry this

(36:47):
girl like his dad about like wanted to not get
the government involved in a little like libertarian seed bank
and that like like Idaho, there was a little seed
bank quality of like the gun, it's not gonna I'm
not gonna let the man know who's legally married to
me the way Calin said, Um, we don't have to
get the government involved, screamed libertarian. I was like, and

(37:10):
it's like she was a beauty pageant queens beauty. She
was the beauty queen. Honey, you want that way? Now
she has like Instagram face so like fully like cheekbones,
flips cat face, like can we talk about the Instagram
face and we can get there a little like we
there was a text about happening last night. They all
kind of although Jojo is pretty much stayed Jojo for

(37:33):
the but like I like jo I love Jojo. Lauren's face,
Laura's new face, like the girl that we saw last
night who failed for Ben Higgins and then the present
day Laura. It's literally like to completely let me see
if I could hold up Facebook. This is like her,
this was her like a week ago. This is Laura
a week ago. That's a complete different human. The drawline

(37:59):
is sad down for filth, the jawline, the new teeth.
I think it knows job. Maybe we should say it's
the patriarchy that did this to her and that before
and after. Yeah, I mean, though they don't look the same.
But the fact of the matter is, like, regardless of
like what she's looking like now, I could not believe
that she was the one that he thicked. What is

(38:21):
her deal? Like? What what is interesting about her? Tell
Us are truly stunned, literally, I think for I think
that he I think the side of him that thought
he wasn't lovable. This is my this is my armchair psychologists.
I think the side of him that thought he wasn't
lovable for whatever reason, she reminded him of the dream

(38:44):
girls in high school that he couldn't get like that
were kind of like and I think it was I
can't believe she's with me for whatever reason, like his
high school brain. This is my armchair psychologist of like
she's the virgin. Maybe she looked like the girl and
like I think she was the prom queen. And even

(39:04):
though Jojo is a stunner and cool. I think she's
also kind of waify. She felt a little bit like
wifey material. I don't think he wanted anything like threatening
or he didn't want the he didn't want the interesting one.
No no jojo was great. Okay, before we get to that,
then we have Olivia before before we get Olivia, we'll

(39:28):
take a little quick break. Oh yeah, sex time out. Okay,
So Olivia comes back. Olivia, we find she was a
fun villain. She really was an interesting one because usually

(39:49):
if somebody gets the first impression Rose, they make it
pretty far. And they've actually said historically with the females
when there's a bachelorette, whoever they give their first impressions
who they end up kicking, which was Brian dr apps Um.
So Olivia got the first impression Rose, and she was
she was a news anchor. She was beautiful, she was
continent girl, but she was a little crazy with the

(40:13):
other gals. And she did have a face she would
make that was like like she got a little the
competition got the best of her. She was like sort
of hissed. It was like a devil eye, like she
got a little much. But but this was where we
really saw how mean the franchise could be. And like
I remember the gals being mean about her cankles, Like
they were talking about her ankles and like they were

(40:35):
so mean. I think mostly because she kept getting the roses,
like I think, and she was very competitive and uh,
this poor gal. And then when she jumped out of
the cake, it's like, Okay, well that's awkward and if
you're not a dancer, Like it wasn't that bad bad
when she broke down after that, because that was like

(40:55):
about more than yeah, they made her do that. She
felt self conscious, She tried to have fun with it.
Didn't thought that she looked stupid. All the women were
probably look you know, that probably was a much thicker
experienced I think because she's also been so she was
very she was all like bravado. She was super confident,
and I think watching that it reminded me of like

(41:18):
a terrible stand up show I had once, like a
showcase for like Warner Brothers, you know what I mean,
where we like you know, where like the I remember
like the other comics like couldn't look me in the eye.
You know, this was like twelve years ago, Like she
bombed for the first Yeah, she bombed, and you know
you ate ship and everyone knows you ate ship. Yeah,
it's a terrible Have you mean bombing, I've I've bombed

(41:42):
when it's really counted, and me too. How do you
shake that? Like when you've bombed when it's counted, like
it's one of the worst feelings in the world. It's
like it's like when I there's certain environments, like there's
certain things I still think of that, it's like, I
just want to take a shame shower. I just want
to wash it off. Well that's what you You act
crazy when you're not someone who bombs, and then you bomb,

(42:03):
you act crazy afterwards because you're like, but you guys
know right, I mean come on, that was like and
that that's I think where she went where It's like
that's why she went over to him and was like,
I want to start over, and he was like kind
of like what because I would imagine that that was
not necessarily as bad in his eyes as it was
in her head. So I think that she and also

(42:24):
remember they're doing this for months. The other women in
the house don't like her. The only people she's got
to talk to other producers. Um so it's like and
they want her to go crazy, and so I feel
really bad for her because I could identify what she
was doing. And also the fact of the matter is
like when they were saying the whole time, like the

(42:44):
way that Chris Harrison was saying the whole time in
the episode, and of course Olivia they would it was
like she was a serial killer or something. And then
they got to her and I'm like, Oh, what's this
girl's big thing? Like she's like winning and the other
girls don't like her, and she's kind of annoying. Like
they didn't edit and I think because they didn't want

(43:07):
to look too much like the bullies that they are.
Like even though they did kind of bully like, I
felt like they did kind of like, oh, hey, how
are you a living? Like it was still checking it
really bad they had edited her. I mean, she was
she was a person who even though it was which

(43:28):
is interesting because she made her career on camera, but
who had no awareness of she was so thirsty for
him and so extra that she would literally be like
like and to watch somebody be like top dog but
like not be able to roll um, it felt like
punching down annoying yeah, yeah, but they could say they

(43:51):
also did really like if I would went through what
she went through, I would have such like horrible body
dysmorphia because they would funk with her and be like, well,
the other girls are like, well, she doesn't eat anything,
that's why her breath smells so bad, and like being
like that's why Ben keeps trying to feed her mint.
Like it's like all this funked up stuff where it's
like what they were just theyggested anything they could. And

(44:16):
then this poor young lady who looked so cute, nast
and I loved her haircut. I felt she seemed to
have I mean it was the underbelly of seeing the
amount of therapy and like not just like heartache like Jojo,
like oh I didn't get picked, but like I got
beat up by America and humiliated and then left on

(44:38):
the beach as a helicopter drove away, like it was
so much that too on by the blowhole that like
the island. He was not a two on one. He
picked one of the twins. I remember, Oh God, would
you could tell that? You could tell that once the
check and started and she's like, I'm so nervous and shaking.
It's like, oh, this is a trauma, Like this is
traumatic seven pete yess and then having to apologize. I

(45:06):
actually felt that he well, there's a part of him
and wants to run for office. I actually felt that
he was classy, Like I felt that he did the
right thing apologizing. Yeah, but I was he wasn't addressing
her though. Did you notice that he was addressing the

(45:27):
audience and not her the entire time? He was like, guys,
come on, like, go easy on Lace, this woman is amazing.
It's like you're not talking to her, and also like
it's not us that needs to chill, Like I mean, yes,
there are fans that are abusive to her, but it's
like you were a part of this situation. You're the
person that's in a power position here and you're the

(45:50):
one who, in the television show we're watching has been
introduced to apologize, so you apologize. Yeah. It also felt
it's been interesting all these people, including the leads, are like, oh,
I can't believe you're airing, Like nobody seems excited to
have their season. Did you notice that everyone's everyone wants

(46:11):
to forget about it. Everybody wants to forget about it,
so then we have um alright, so oh yeah, that
was the blowhole in the wind and she was shaking,
poor Olivia. I was I'm glad that it was actually
funny because we were watching it and my boyfriend was
sitting next to me, and while he's while she was
talking and doing the check in, he was like, I
love her, and I was like, I was like, yeah,

(46:33):
I mean I like her too. And then I looked
over at the end of her interview and I peeked
over my boyfriend. My boyfriend is very funny. Yeah, he
just like the way he behaves. It is in the world.
I looked over his shoulder and he was following her
on Instagram. I mean, she was like a beautiful kind
of cool. I love that she She also has a
podcast called Mouthing Off where she reaches out to other villains.

(46:57):
There's a villain support group. That's a really cool. I yeah,
I would listened to that. Has anyone listened to that?
I browsed the episodes and she doesn't do just bachelor people.
She does like ninety Day Fiance villains. It was all
It's a whole podcast of villains of like romance reality
show villains. That's fun. That's a fun idea for a podcast. Yeah.

(47:19):
I think she she came out a lot. I mean
because I remember reading that she was like suicidal afterwards
and came a way you get you feel worthless everyone, everyone,
and you know that people were in her m telling
her to herself and I kind of hate that that
what's his name, Harrison, Chris Harrison was all I just yeah,
like he was like, well, I'm really sorry about that.

(47:39):
It's like, are you kidding you ruined her? Yes, exactly,
but you also wonder like, okay, so she had she
was clearly like presentable enough, like a put together and
smart enough to be like a reporter, you know, like
was that her whole chances? I feel like once people
enter to this franchise, everyone gives up any career they

(48:02):
had before. Like it's just immediately, like take your career
out of your pocket, leave it in the bag at
the door. You'll never see that again. You're going to
become an influencer. It's like, yeah, my boyfriend brought that up.
He was like, I feel like this is going to
ruin their lives. And he was like he was like,
I hate this show. This is so mean. This is
the worst thing ever. And I looked at him and
I was like, Jared, they're getting what they wanted out

(48:26):
of this, which is to become a social media influencer,
like essentially like so, but but also at the same time, like,
I think that a lot of the people that they
get to get on this show really do believe in
the fairy tale of it, and that's sad um. Sometimes
it works out some sometimes it works You need to
come when it's a normal thing and not a horrible

(48:47):
um time goblin just eating your mondy. Like, well, I've
seen the whole season. I've seen the Rachel's season, which
was like, you know, I think a great representation of
the show, did you like? I loved the most of
the reason and then on the last episode I thought
she kind of lost it for me. In the last
two episodes when she told Dean that she loved him,
I thought that was a little fucked up, and when

(49:08):
she clearly was just feeling bad and maybe in her feelings,
but also you can't expect it to be perfect all
the time. And then when she didn't pick Peter, I
was upset because I didn't understand why she went if
she was just gonna pick Brian. Why did she need
to weep her eyelasters off with him in the hall
with Peter in the hallway and like beg him to
stay and like beg him whatever, and then say, just kidding,

(49:29):
I was going to pick Brian the whole time. So
the hypocrisy of that I didn't like. But ultimately this
season I loved. I guarantee Um that Matt James season
is going to be fantastic. You think, Yeah, I do,
because we don't know anything about Matt James, right, Because
I actually think that's great. Like I think there's a

(49:49):
beauty of a reset of because they used to do that,
they used to go find eligible people and bring someone new. Yeah,
I think it's good to press reset on the franchise.
Somebody outside. He's best friends with one of the one
of the most beloved contestants there ever, was um Tyler Cameron,
who was so adorable. Who's a nice guy who loved

(50:10):
his mom, Like he's a stand up guy and they're
best friends. Anyway. Okay, so here we are we have
so we're at the Fantasy Sweets. There's three women. Oh
there was also Amanda. Amanda was a single mom. Um
she made it to hometown and um, and she's got
two little kids. I mean, Amanda was very popular. She

(50:33):
did a lot of rounds on this franchise. It was interesting.
She was so cute. It was like, like, to be
fair to Amanda. I think she had two little kids
and her husband dumped her, Like I think she got
left high and dry. Her kids were three and two. Yeah,
and he just laughed so brutal. So it's um. So

(50:58):
then she left those kids two for three months to
go to the battle. Yeah, that's exactly right, but she
did do that. It's definitely it's hard because you can
see where Ben says he's not scared and he goes
to go meet and I remember when he went to
go meet them, like the whole episode, they were like
crying and in like a minivan. You can see the terror,
the water like the Titanic water rising of just like panic. Um.

(51:22):
That is I'm always conflicted when there's like little people
involved in that they and that they meet them on
the show. That's hard. Yeah, that's another thing. Jared said.
He was like, I cannot believe that she is putting
these kids through and I was like, yeah, but she
really believes that like she I mean, she obviously wants
like a father figure for them, and I think she's

(51:43):
just going about it in an odd way. And the
kids were adorable, and I said to him, I'm like,
they're not going to remember that they were little enough
in some ways, because we've seen other there was another
really cute mom that was on one Pablo season and
her son Ben was a little older, but he was
a dad too. It's hard. Your only hope is that
these gals, these little girls, don't remember they were little enough.
He's just going to be a cool guy they played

(52:04):
with one time and they were kind of in the
back of their mind. It's hard to watch, so you're like,
oh God, Okay. So she gets cut and then we
have Kayla with a bouncy hair and he calls her
a sex panther. We learned last week that Ben Higgins
was a sex ed miner in college, which is insane,

(52:25):
which means he's bad in bed. Yes, the sex said miner. Um,
Kayla's whole thing. She's a tigriss, She's a sex panther.
She can't express herself. She's crying her friends that she's
having a hard time opening up. Um and I remember
loving her mom when we went to hometown. I remember

(52:47):
her mom. Her mom was Asian queen. She was, she
was a queen, Asian queen. She was like, she goes, well, honey,
if you really love him, even run downstairs and jump
on him and tell him that you love him. I
remember me, like, I loved her mom. Yeah, I love
any I love any parent figure that's like real. Yeah

(53:08):
she had she fully had adult races. She was super cool.
She was like, go get at it, and she was fun. Yeah.
I loved her. She was she was an Asian queen.
She was. I loved her. I loved her. So then
we have her um crying. She's ready to get married,
she's ready to be his wife. Like he cuts her,

(53:31):
and I remember, like I remember they were at Jamaica. Sandals.
Isn't that right, Katie, isn't sell it Sandals Jamaica. Yeah,
like the last like those last three episodes were all
in Sandals Jamaica. Okay, which actually e strangely nice, which
was confusing. And I'm going to tell Bowen. I'm going
to tell Bowen and Met something that we're going to
cut out. Okay, we're back. This is the just we're back,

(53:54):
but we just spoke about fantasy and this is the
thing I want to say about the fantasy suite though,
that is a huge deal, And the fact of the
matter is like the viewing audience has to understand, like,
you're watching this and watching this and watching this, but
what happens behind closed doors that we don't see we
just have to accept as a huge narrative hole because

(54:15):
it's like you are going to act like a different
person when the cameras aren't there and be like how
you physically and sexually, emotionally in that way open up
to someone and connect to someone is huge. So I'm
not surprised at all to hear that the results of
that closed door experience weigh in heavily. I think, particularly

(54:36):
on The Bachelor, the burden is on the ladies. I
fear that like to put on the show of your life,
like but not too much of it, Like you still
want to be like wifey material because these are nice
like Christian boys and like, well, you've heard about what
happened with Rachel and Nick, right, No, okay, so this
is I think this is on the record, so this

(54:56):
is real. Um, But Rachel inn Zy was a contestant
and had gotten a fantasy suitet date and was was
going to go the day after the two thousand sixteen election.
So she was in a bar the night before her
fantasy suite date watching the election and got trashed because

(55:18):
Trump won and was devastated. So the next day was
the fantasy sweet date. So if you watch her Fantasy
sweet date, she kind of seems like very like dropped
in and like sleepy and a little out of it
because she is because she was hungover. Then she says
that they went to the fantasy suite at her and
Nick and she pretty much passed out right away and

(55:40):
they hadn't gotten a chance to really talk. They definitely
didn't have sex, and she kind of knew anyway that
he was going to pick um Vanessa. So the next day,
like when she gets cut, she was like upset because
she didn't win. But you can kind of see when
she gets cut, she's like, yeah, of course. Yeah. One
of my favorite fantasy suite like behind the scene stories,

(56:02):
it is apparently Rachel and hers had a list of
questions to ask the guys remember this of like do
you have debt um? You know, like like what is
your thought on this one is your thought on that,
and like asking them about like actually like how they are,
because I mean, if you're going to marry someone, if
you're gonna get engaged, like what if you canna engage
someone and they go, oh, I'm five dollars in debt

(56:22):
and you're like, oh my fucking god. You know, Like well,
also like you need to be asking about what they
believe politically because you're not allowed to talk about it
on the air, and they like because the producers aren't
going to use it and it's wasting time, so you
better believe the second that door is closed. One of
my questions is like, Hi, what's what's the t on
like your political beliefs? Because because you know that happened

(56:45):
to Becca who chose Garret, who ended up being like
what that means? They're still I feel like someone told
that that was one of the questions that she asked,
like who did you vote for? And stuff like that.
I think also in Bachelor at New Zealand because I
gotta watch every country's bachelotte franchise if you guys want

(57:06):
to watch, We're watching New Zealand is great, but that one,
like they'll be like, are you an anti vaxer like
on the show because I mean New Zealand though that guy.
But still it's like, stop bringing up being because I
would hate to end up with a guy and he's like,
we're not vaccinating our kids, Okay. I would be like, no, yeah,

(57:29):
that's talks about climate change. They're actually seeing if you're compatible.
So we caught up with Kayla and where she is,
and she's was doing the equivalent of I'm living my
best life, like I moved to New York. I became
a fashion blogger. It's really important work. Um, and you're
like a lifestyle blogger because it's really important work. And

(57:50):
I'm like, is it like and that's the thing, like
and then she's she got engaged to this guy. Hot
guy though was hot. He seemed nice. Yeah, he did
seem nice. But but she she got what she wanted
with with what Mamoi singer, like, she wasn't gonna sell
software for the rest of her Like now she's probably

(58:12):
genuinely happy, like blogging about she lives in New York,
she has a husband, she like got to talk about
stuff that she wants to talk about. She probably has
a loyal following because she came off really well on
the show's free Ship. I bet she gets free Ship
up the butt. Yeah. Um, okay, before we get to
Lauren B and Joe Joe, we're gonna take one more break.

(58:40):
What is your fantasy? You? Hi? Everybody? All right, So
we're doing Lauren B. So we're down to the final two.
Lauren b. Um, he said this and this to answer
your question, Bowen, I feel like a little schoolboy trying
to chase after his crush. That to me, he kept

(59:01):
he couldn't believe he got her for whatever reason. She
I think partially because she's a little dull. So there
was like I think sometimes when like I've done this
where somebody who was dull, I kept thinking, Oh, they're
just shy. They're just shy, and so you fabricate them.
And I think he made her the girl he couldn't

(59:22):
get and the guy inside of him that like I
thought he wasn't lovable. I think this was it, Like
I'm gonna feel okay, so there. I remember them releasing
these little turtles, which was so fucking cute, and like
it's funny hearing her talking now about herself then like
it's I feel that she's she's like, I like the
simple things, like my dad. He's obsessed with this yard

(59:43):
and like like, oh my god, and they were so
basic and this hearing and like so we took her
on a drive and the Zeo Hotel used to be
a movie theater and this's where he got his first
kiss and he didn't know how to make the move
and he recreated it. And then she's like, and I
remember them doing this a lot, like I think you're
my person. I can't. She's like, I'm in love with Ben,

(01:00:06):
not Ben the Bachelor. I'm in love with Ben from
Warsaw Indiana. I love Ben. I'm completely in love with you.
And I remember like being happy for him. And then
we watched there was like a show after this, like
of them as New Louis, and she hated him so
fucking and she just was she wanted like I think
she was so disappointed by the reality of like a
small house in Denver and not being like like remember that, Katie,

(01:00:30):
And do you hated Do you remember there was an
entire episode we watched this whole fucking thing because it
was terrible. There was a whole episode where he wanted
to use an old garage door as a headboard from
like his first house, and the whole episode was about
how she was just like absolutely way and then and
then she really was a BC had offered for them

(01:00:52):
to get married on TV, and like she really wanted to.
He was like, I don't really, even though now he's
kind of like Ulee in on the franchise and like
that's it's just interesting how like she wanted the cameras rolling,
she wanted a helicopter, she married a country country star. Like,
but just seeing the beginning of this, it's like, I

(01:01:12):
just like Ben from Indiana, I like simple things. It
was weird because like the conversations that they would have
were so cringe. And then when he would talk to
Jojo or hang out with Jojo, or like that moment
when she made him come into the bathroom with her
and like have a real conversation with there, I was like,
it seems like you have some real rapport with this girl,

(01:01:35):
and she seems to be the one that is actually
it's something is happening between you and her. And when
he dumped her, you could see in his eyes like
he knew he had made a huge mistake. I mean there,
I think immediately it was terrible. Oh okay, watching their date,
their Wrigley Field date was so cute, watching her do

(01:01:59):
their little like a book of like her being a
house flipper, and like trying to tell her, like what
they were so cute together and that she was such
a and just even their chemistry, like them in the
under the waterfall. Then making out like when she when
she came in with the horse's head on her head,
I was like, I like her. She's stupid. Yeah, the
unicord she she had a little like she had a

(01:02:20):
little pepper and her pot. Yeah, she was like stupid
in a fun way that I connect with me too,
and wear a horse's head on my head and be
like nay, anyway, see you later. And then like she
did it and like he when when she said, I
I've been trying to not say this, but like I
am falling. I was falling in love with you, and
now I can actually say I am in love with you,
and he goes, jojo, I love you too, And look

(01:02:42):
at her little face when she says, what you do.
It was so cute. It was hopeful, and then finding
out like it was she was very honest. I felt
like in her interview because I feel like a lot
of these people now after the factor, now with somebody
else and there, so there's are weird about it, like
getting interviewed, they're like no, no, I mean it's fine,

(01:03:04):
And I feel like she was like when she had
the next date with him and he said he was conflicted,
and she found out that he also said it to
This was the big controversies. He said he's the first
one to say I'm in love with you to two
women too, and that she felt like she'd been cheated on.
I don't blame her. I felt so bad. I mean,

(01:03:26):
you can't. Here's the thing. It's like, when I was
watching it, I was like, so, there's a world where
you know, all these women are in the house together
this whole time, so they really know each other better
than they know him. Yes, when is it going to
happen that he can't decide between the two of them
because he's legit in love with both of them And
they're like, we'll be together and the three of them

(01:03:49):
all just go off and live polly existence. And I
personally would be in support of it, Oh my god.
I mean I except for I wouldn't want Jojo to
be stuck with Laura Lauren. No, I mean, ultimately, Jojo
can do better, and I'd be fine with that. That um,
I just when he she they let her give the

(01:04:11):
like at the actual proposal, she gave the longest speech
and they let her the entire speech, and it's like,
I love you, I love you with my whole heart,
I trust you. And then when he goes I it
was it sucked. And then you'll notice that on her
season when she was the bachelorette, she did not allow

(01:04:32):
that she like like he started talking, she was like, stop, yes,
because she's a kind person. I agree with you. I
have to say. He clearly was in love with Jojo,
but he wanted to pick the girl he couldn't believe
he got, and I would imagine for he and Lauren
it was probably hard to get past like he was

(01:04:54):
gooded watching how he felt when Jojo walked, what it
was like, he clearly, I agree with you. He knew
he made a mistake. He loved her, they were happy together,
they were so cute. He wasn't emotionally intelligent enough to
understand what he had just done, but I think he

(01:05:16):
knew enough to know that he had felt great despair
because even when he was then like you would think
would be this thing where it would be really hard
to say goodbye to the runner up, but you would
then have a second win because you know you're going
to like start your life with the winner who actually
are in love with. But he is he it looked
like never got over doing that to her. He looked

(01:05:38):
fucked up from it. He really like fucked up from it.
And and I felt watching her get interviewed from her
everybody's backdrop looks the same, but her house looks the
grandest of everybody. She has a house. She's got a
huge house. She was a lead, you know what I mean.
She probably has bachelorette money, has real endorsement money. And

(01:05:59):
she's also so half Persian, comes from some money. I've
seen her. All Persians know where other people's Persian money
comes from. We're all aware. I love too that there's
I also like that they actually had they had a
Persian baslorette and never really that was huge for me,
And I was like, well, he was white passing, and

(01:06:20):
they that they at the time probably felt nervous about
saying she was because like you'd be shocked, like like
I'll mention that I have Iranian friends to like basic
white older people, and they were like what, Like, it's
like it's like a crazy thing to them to even
mention the word Iran because they're in their imagination it's
like a brown person who like is flinging spices at

(01:06:44):
you and ship. The most racist conception of it was
funny because when they went to her hometown in her
season or no, I guess it was this season, her
mom was just like her Persian assue. Mom kept like
she's a princess. It's like she was just chucky Champagne
did like a coin, just drinking champagne straight from the bottle.
And I was like, this is every family member I've

(01:07:05):
ever had, just like well, like man home, her brothers ran.
They were a giant cowl next sweaters and they kissed
her on the mouth, and we're like rude to him.
They both they kissed, they both kissed her right on

(01:07:26):
the lips and then were immediately awful to him. So
it's also come to a real season where it's fun. No,
I'm telling you, I was, are you going to do
the Rachel's season? Yeah? Do you want to? I mean
this one? Yeah? You want to do it, I'll be back. Okay.

(01:07:47):
Do you want to do the Rachel season? Yeah? Okay,
what are they hearing that? Couples not next week? They're
probably interested in having other guests, so are you and
do the Rachel's season. We would love to have you
for the Rachel's season. Bowen, you don't have to, but
we would love to have you again. But if you
if you can't handle it, I understand. If you can't

(01:08:09):
handle another doing, I get it. I'll just know that
I am going to watch that in two weeks when
it happens. Yes, yes, we want you for whenever the
Rachel as soon as we know when the Rachel one is,
it's yours okay, and you'll either be with Bowen or
somebody else depending on a bow Okay. So then um, Lauren?

(01:08:30):
So then so then he cuts Joe Joe and he said, um,
I love Lauren, but I could have been very I
could have been married. I could When Lauren saw that, yeah,
and then she says he's the last first kiss I
ever wanted to have. Your made, Harrison, I love you,
And then they got engaged. Last week, they didn't even
show Caitlin's getting proposed to by Sean, Like, I'm surprised

(01:08:54):
they showed all of this, and then we see him
now and he's got his huge young lady that he
slid into her d MS and she's twenty five and
they're very cute. We found out that they don't sleep
into they're staving each other for marriage, and they don't
share a bed allegedly. Jesus, this is so antiquated, Like
it's just so crazy. It's like, I really I'm happy

(01:09:15):
that the Bachelor fantrase is finally like having a person
of color lead, But can we please like get a
interesting lead, like like Rachel Lindsay was a dynamic person
and you find out ever since her season ended, like
she's even better than she was on the season. Actually,
so let's just like shake it up, Like was great,
Caitlin was great. Give us Matt James looks really fucking hot,

(01:09:38):
Like he's he's certainly hot. He's so hot. I'm from James.
I think Claire kind of sucks. We're going to have
to get through Claire's season. Oh, I think she asked
first that she's thirty nine. That's exciting. I love, but

(01:09:59):
I wink they chose a cooler one. But I do
think I think she's like at this point ever since
seeing her again on Winner Games where she got in
to a fight with a German guy about the hot
tub appointment for a hot tub that she didn't make,
and he was he's very German and he was very
upset by it because Germans take everything so literally. But

(01:10:23):
pub and you miss it. You have appointment with the
hot pub. You must be there for the appointment for
the hot pub. It was unreal. I will send you
guys a link to the clip. I think like her
energy of like what are you fucking talking about? Like,
I like that she brings that sort of no nonsense energy,

(01:10:43):
and so I think she'll be good on this show
where these dudes who are at this point may not
get a paradise so they're like, you know, if you're
not going to win her heart, like what are you
really doing on there if you don't have a reason
to try and get Instagram followers. So I think it'll
be an interesting season with her. It's just I mean
that only they've had some moments where like like I
guess like they think they've had like a hashtag girl

(01:11:04):
boss moment, like when Hannah was like, I fucked in
a windmill. Like like when she finally took her space
and said that she sucked Peter four times on the windmill,
that was kind of cool. Like that she had like
a misogynist guy in the house. That was like, if
you've had such with any other guys, like, let me
know now, And she was like, I absolutely have an
ey would again and again and again. I loved that. Um,

(01:11:25):
but girls are more fun though it's more far from
the women and also sort of fun because the guys.
There's weird bromances in the house like that, guys really
fall for each other. I think that I think Bachelor's
more fun than the Bachelor. I would agree. Um, will
you help us pick a tweet of the week? Yes, Okay,
So what we're here's the name of the game. I'm
going to tell you five or six tweets, We're going

(01:11:45):
to narrow it down to two, and then we're going
to pick the number one. Okay, okay. This is from
Chaz at Thorium Dragon. Going from Van Hippie to Beauty
Queen is a lifetime movie. Going from Beauty Queen to
Van Hippie is a cry for help. That's Honny. That's Monny. Okay.
This is from I don't know who it's from. I'll
find out later. Biggest boner in Batch history been not

(01:12:08):
picking Jojo or that waterfall scene. Look at his bonera.
Oh my god, I have to see this here. I'll
text it to you guys as well. Honestly I get
it though he's probably horned up and honestly like she
was hot in the bikini. He was so hot. That's

(01:12:30):
the thing too. That was Jojo, right, that was Jojo.
She to me, she was like, way, way, way, way
more desirable than anyone else. She's so hot in the
top section. It's like that. I mean, she obviously was
the pick for me. Nanna, who did that? It's from
Bachelor archive. Oh that's exciting. Okay, Um, this is from

(01:12:53):
Liz You guys, do you guys see it in your
did she text? Here? We go number three? Liz too.
Don't go a Jizzy Lizzie. Their apps? Does any woman
who's been on the show not have Instagram face? Now? Wow? Okay,
so we're all clocking the same we're all clocking the
same day. This is also from Jessy Lizzie Raps would
love to be a fly on the wall at the

(01:13:14):
Bachelor Villain support group that Olivia apparently right. Uh and
this is uh Anna, you're gonna have to tell me
who this is from. Ben looks like he's about to
ring some doorbells and tell people about Joseph Smithy. Okay,
so I'm gonna narrow it down to um, let's see

(01:13:36):
what do we enjoy be like bone Er? Do we
like Van Hippie? I like Van Hippie. I like Van
Hippie and Boner. I think those are the two. Or
faith Instagram face will go Van Hippi and Boner. Okay,
so this is from chazz A Thorium Dragon. Going from
Van Hippy to Beauty Queen is a lifetime movie. Going
from Beauty Queen to Van Hippy is it cry for help?

(01:13:58):
And then this is from Bachelor Archived. Hey, Bachelor Archive,
we're so grateful for you. You might want to check.
We think that your website might be giving everybody viruses
by accident. I think just be aware there's some crazy
ads that keep infecting just and I don't you mean
not know it because I know your heart is pure
that somebody might have come in and put some weird

(01:14:20):
spy where boiler your computer? But we love you and
we wouldn't be able to do what we do without you.
So this is from Bachelor archive. Biggest bon or in
Batch history? Been not picking Jojo or that waterfall scene.
Do we want biggest boner in history? Or do we
want Van Hippie Bowe and Van Hippie or Boner Van Hippie.

(01:14:42):
I'm gonna also go Van Hippie. Um, we'll go. We'll
let Matt be the decider or do you want to
go first? Matt? Matt you go? I mean I was
going to pick the Boner one because I feel like
I feel like I really just want this show to
sort of get to it and became imporn. So this
is the closest way about it has. But I appreciate

(01:15:03):
that you guys like the comedy of Van Hippie, Katie,
Van Hippie or Bone or Bonner. You know, I'm always
a family. We can see their boners, Katie to see
I mean, I want I want the gratification. Okay, Anna,
So that's a time We've got two for bon or
two for Van Hippy. Anna. Oh, I think I'm gonna
go with Boner because it's so funny to me, like, alright,

(01:15:27):
Batch Archive is Bachelor Archive is transmitting viruses time like this.
It's terrible. I cancel Bachelor Archives. But we love That's
where Archive and we just want them to go in
and maybe kick out. We don't think they're doing it
on purpose. I know they need to get their cookies together.
They just got to get their cookies together because they

(01:15:48):
might be giving everybody viruses. But you did get the
tweet of the week Batch Archive with your biggest boner
in batch history. Been not picking jokes out or that
waterfall scene. You guys like us on iTunes? You can
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(01:16:09):
I just wanted to say, will you accept this? Roses
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The communic chemistry between the guests on every episode keeps
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(01:16:30):
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(01:16:50):
noticed during Caitlin's throwback episode, but painting in Chris Harrison's
office looks like an abstract of the Texas state flag,
which makes it a million times wre hacking and annoying
that if it were just any ruther than ugly rainbow painting.
Thanks for making me laugh during these ap apocalyptic scary
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(01:17:12):
from Ali PS. I have to admit I've been wanting
to listen to previous seasons in the pod, but Jerry
is so hilarious I'm nervous it wouldn't feel the same
without him, although I'm sure it still would be amazing. Ali,
that's such a great email. I would recommend going who
got Aaron Folly is so funny? Maybe start with Joejoe's season.
I feel like Joejoe's season was a really funny season

(01:17:35):
and we really hit our stride. Do you guys agree
on that? Anna and Katie? Yeah? I think so because
Aaron Folly was on part and we had a funny
ones with Steve Heightener, I feel like that's a good
one to go to. And I did not notice that
it looked like an abstract painting of the Texas tape
flag that What do you guys think of that? I
didn't notice, But that's I'm gonna have to go check
it out, all right. This one's from Jessica ham Um

(01:17:58):
and her subject is puzzle me please. That's coming up
in two weeks and I hope you got it, Jessica,
Hi will accept this Rose Family. I started listening in
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my first time being in an office with all ladies.
The office chatter indicated I needed to catch up on
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(01:18:18):
is the highlight of my studying. I love every single
one of the voices that comes on one of my
roommates who doesn't have a car, off and asked me
for rides, and I forced her to listen to y'all
and she's so hooked that she's now joining me on
Mondays for the goat Bachelor festivities. Most of my favorite
shows are on Bravo, so I'm thrilled that you're doing
Real Housewives of New York on Patreon. I used to
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(01:18:41):
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but now I think it is a necessary cost to
be able to hear my favorite funny pod friends talk
about yet another new show I'm addicted to is One
Worth it ps My bff and I think I missed
Sonya and she ease a pre this season. Dorenda. I'm

(01:19:02):
so new because I don't often get drunk, whe I do,
I go hard. I'm also a bit of an arts
emotional train wreck, if I'm being totally honest. And she
pre ordered my book from a black owned bookstore in
d C and um and we are, Yes, Jesse, I
finally got the puzzles, so we're gonna be mailing we
have really cute topebags. It's next week. We're gonna give
away totebag. Anna, you've seen them, the little miss Little

(01:19:24):
They're high quality too. And then the puzzle. Can Anna,
can we put a picture of the puzzle up on
our Facebook page today. I don't want to put it
on my Instagram because I'm gonna be sending it out
to people and I don't want them to see it yet,
but I would love our listeners to be able to
see what they're hoping to win, because it's so I
made these puzzles that I'm gonna like send out with
the book in September to like Chelsea Handler gave you quote,

(01:19:47):
Nami Humor gave me quotes. I'm going to send them
all like a book and a puzzle and so as
like a surprise. So that's I'm not gonna put it
on my Instagram page, but this will be the same
puzzle that they're getting. I made a couple of extra
puzzle to do giveaways to you guys, and they're pretty
fucking crazy, aren't they. Anna. I love them I want
one to I have one for you. I'm a puzzle.
It's me and Mittens and it says meet the authors,

(01:20:11):
and I'm dressed up. I've recreated my sixth grade photo
and I have braces made and I look like barbed
from strangers thing. I look crazy. I look actually like
I'm mentally ill. Would you agree with that assessment, Anna,
I would never say that. I think you are living
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(01:20:31):
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(01:20:51):
from M d M D M d M. I'm from
Iran and I find the culture of the Bachelor somewhat confused,
saying there are so many moments when I'm thinking this
can't be real life. This sounds so scripted. Then again,
as an outsider, I can't be sure, but your podcast
has provided me a window into unfiltered and authentic thoughts
on the show. You're a delightful social butterfly who brings

(01:21:14):
interesting groups of people together to discuss the episodes. And
I love to hear all the different perspectives, specifically Jerry Trainers,
who first impressions of The Bachelor echoes a lot of mine.
I wouldn't lose sleep over missing the show itself, but
I stay up to listen to your podcast. Thank you
so much. Anna, I mean Anna from Iran? Did you
know that her parents are Iranian? Or do you know that?

(01:21:36):
Did you? When you watch The Bachelor, Anna, are you
like when you first watched it when you were younger?
I mean, I know you grew up in the U S.
But did you did you find anything that I was like, Wow,
this is this? This seemed like did it? Was there
any a of a culture shock or anything versus the
world you've grown up in. I mean I knew, like

(01:21:57):
I was like, this is this is not this is
the American way of like dating like in Iran. It's
so much. It's so different how you like get together
with a guy. I mean, I think it's a little
bit more um the younger you are, like the generations,
it's more maybe a little bit closer to what we
do in America. But for the most part, like you

(01:22:18):
basically your parents meet you. You can't date an Iran
is the situation. So you would never see something like this,
And so like growing up, what would your cousins think
of this show? I mean they would watch it because
you know, westernized culture is big there, but like it's
you wouldn't ever think like I could go on a
show like that, Like it's not I would never in

(01:22:38):
my life think that I could go on a show
like that because one of my parents would kill me.
They'd be like, no, absolutely not. You can't date a
guy who's dating all these women. Also, like you can't
be showing that much skin on TV, and oh god,
you can't be like putting yourself out there. Someone's going
to turn the evil eye on you because you're not
being humble enough. And you're like, oh my god, there's
so much going on, like culturally not possible, turney, but

(01:23:02):
I have in when I've been in Iran, I'll watch
like Turkish programming and they have like in Turkey, it's
a lot, you know, it's a lot more westernized, or
at least it used to before Dagon but um or
urda Wan but um, Yeah, they have like Turkish dating
shows like this that I would watch because there's like
nothing else on that I could watch. I being okay,
well they're they seem to be doing it where all

(01:23:23):
the women and men live in a house together and
like date each other. And that's like even wilder to
me because it's in Turkey. But yeah, not not commonplace
in Iranian culture. I love that we can help you
a window, if it makes you feel any better. I
grew up here, and uh, I grew up and I'm
my I think I'm like my great grandparents were sort

(01:23:47):
of like I'm like third Like I still can't even imagine.
There is no part of my upbringing. I cannot imagine
ever fitting in at the mansions I have. I have
fantasies of cloning myself and trying to like put myself
through the experience of it as like a social science experiment,
but there I so don't. It is so far removed

(01:24:07):
from the world that I personally grew up in I
cannot imagine anything more. I mean, I'm just new ladies
who cleared acres of brush with their bare hands and
drove tractors and uh, you know, just wore chapstick and
dungarees and so it's a different world. But it's so
fun and we're so glad you're here. So thank you. Yeah,

(01:24:28):
that's pretty cool to know there's another Iranian listening. All right,
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little Miss Little Compton topebag. I have meet the author's
puzzles coming up. The person getting a T shirt today

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is Holly horror ah Relly, Holly, you just want a
T shirt? Mat at Rogers? What do you have to promote?
Where can people find you? My precious trades? Wow? Um,
you guys can listen to bone a nice podcast called
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Where can people find you? I have nothing to promote.
Accept my podcast that I co host with Matt Rodgers.
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Would you say, it's so good, it's it's so fun,

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it's so funny with you when you came on, Oh
my god, it was such a joint with poverty. Everything
you wanted her to be a more poverty was wonderful.
She watched I don't even watch Survivor. I just know
about your love from your podcast. How much you were
so excited she was coming on and so excited everything. Yes, um, great,

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that's it. Anna tan Uh, Katie, Where can people find you?
I'm at on Twitter and yes, check out Law School
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we want more Anna and Arten on Patreon right now,
we're redoing it. Two shows, not one, but two. You
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tear stripper. Who's it's just so much too. You're really
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