September 24, 2025 • 37 mins
Rut Fresh Radio is back for 2025! We’re kicking off the season with fresh reports from hunters on the ground. This week, Cameron Derr (Ohio), Joe Cater (Missouri), and Mitch Stamm (Wisconsin) join the show to share what they’re seeing and hearing across their regions. From early-season deer movement to local conditions, you’ll get the intel you need to make the most of your hunts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, folks, welcome back to another episode of the
Wired to Hunt podcast, and we are back for another
season of our rut Fresh radio mini series. This is
like season eight, maybe it's been a long time running.
It's a fan favor every season. Come the fall, we
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do this extra drop, which if you are not familiar,
I want to give you a very fast rundown of
what this show will entail this week and every week
from now on through the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What we're doing is.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We are chatting with a handful of different deer hunters
from across the country every single week to find out
what they've been seeing in the woods, what kinds of
behavior they have been noticing, how recent weather factors or
conditions or atmospheric conditions, whatever be, how that stuff's impacting
deer movement, how the changing habitat out there is impacting
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deer movement, deer behavior and hunting strategy, and how all
of this can help you he was a hunter in
your coming hunts over the next three, four or five, six,
seven days. That's what we do, quick hits with people
all across the country to get the most recent relevant
information to help you as a deer hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This week.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So that's what the show is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And it's been like that for like I said, seven
or eight or nine years now. Now what is different
this year is that we have a new captain for
the rough Fresh ship. This year, my good buddy mister
j Koefer is taking the reins from our palace Tyler
and Casey, who've ran the show for the last two
or three years. Jake just ran an awesome mini series
(01:36):
called the Back forty Podcast, which hopefully you heard, that
is wrapping up and now rutfresh is kicking off. So Jake,
great work with a Back forty and welcome to rot
Fresh Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Hey, it's great to be here, and it's gonna be
an exciting fall and it's gonna be a roller coaster.
There's gonna be things that we can predict and there's
gonna be things we can't predict, and it's gonna be
great to get and idea what's going on across the country.
And I would say this too, key weather fronts. You
can listen to a guy that's maybe further west and
what was he seeing just a couple of days ago,
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and how can it apply to your neck of the
woods or north to south.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So really excited for it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, and so you've heard this episode, You've heard this
show as a listener, you've tuned in as a listener
of the year, so you know what it's all about.
But you've never been in the captain's seat having to
find these people, talk to these people, extract useful information
from them. How are you feeling about this new responsibility
that you bear, having to be the conduit for tens
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of thousands of people to get the information they need
this week to have success in the field.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Do you feel that pressure maybe a little bit now.
I mean, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
It's going to be great to hear the success of
you know, people having throughout the season, or maybe the
struggles or just the anticipation of the season builds up.
I mean, I feel like it's going to be contagious
and I'm looking forward to it. I Mean, we have
some really good guests here for this week, and we
actually have one if a guy that shot a really wide,
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awesome buck and so as a as a deer hunting fan,
I'm excited to hear the story firsthand and see what
he keyed it on. And so it's great to be here,
grateful for the opportunity, and it's gonna be a lot
of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So is there anything new that we should be watching
for this year? With you running the show? And you know,
I'm here this episode, but I'm I probably won't be
around for most of the episodes. You'll be running the
whole show from here on out. I'll drop in as
a guest here and there. But do you have any
changes you're wanting to make? Is there anything new coming
down the pipeline that we should be watching.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
For The plane is gonna get built in the air,
so as it sits expect some really good information.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know why. It's been a favorite in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And I feel like once I get my sleeves up
and maybe ankle deep in some mud, there's very possible
there's gonna be some audibles or some different approaches here.
So that's that's my foreshadowing without an idea of what
the foreshadowy really is. And there that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
One thing, though, am I right?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Are you still planning on having video for all of
these interviews?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
This is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
All of them are still gonna be video.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
There'll be some challenges, yeah, there'll be some challenges throughout here,
so that is one of the biggest changes. And I
feel sometimes it's crazy just how many people watch podcasts
on YouTube now. And I think that audio is great.
But to see the excitement or maybe see the dark
circles under my.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Eyes or guest eyes.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
They've been out, you know, in the in the woods
chasing deer for three weeks, four weeks or a week solid,
it's going to be fun to look at my face.
I guess week one here in September, September, and then
by the end of December, see what I look like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, you know what you should try to do. Here's
a little stretch goal for you. If we could somehow
get some of our successful guests, you know who just
kill the deer. We got to get some of these
guys to like take us out to the truck or
to the barn or to wherever they've got there. Did
I want to see some of these deer in real life.
That'd be pretty fun, a great story. So if that
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works for anyone, try to get that. I'd love to
see some video of these deer that we're getting the
recent stories and recent information from or another good one.
Maybe we can get someone to report to us from
a tree. I don't think that's ever happened before. We've
never hit anyone calling before from a hunt where they
can actually show us what things are looking like right now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Maybe that won't work because it'll be whispering on a podcast,
which doesn't sound ideal.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But brainstorming here I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I might be hosting from the tree at one point,
so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I love it, so okay, so that's the game plan.
That's what we have to look forward to. What else
do you want to cover here before we get to
the interviews?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think that's that's the premise. I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Hopefully everyone is just chomping at the bit for this
upcoming season. I know some folks are still waiting for
that October one date to hit the calendar, but there's
people that are up and going and we've been talking
with them, and uh, that's pretty much all the housekeeping
I can think of for the time being. And I
know you recently just got back from a trip and
I haven't I don't know how it went, and so
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I'm really eager to hear your Western adventures slash fishing
trip too, like hunting and fishing trip.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, the cast and the last we're going to be
doing a full podcast on it, so I won't give
away too much, but I can tell you that probably
one of the big things that we experienced on this
trip is something that a lot of folks are going
to be experiencing over the next week as they're listening
to this, which is still a lot of these hot
and dry conditions. And I'm really curious to hear from
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the other guests that you have on the show today
about how they are dealing with this weather, don't I
don't think this is unique to me. I think that
this has been a very dry, hot, you know, late
summer and early fall for a lot of people, and
I gotta believe that's going to be impacting deer and
deer hunting strategies. I'm I'm you know, seeing this with
my food plots. I've never had a worse food plot year.
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I don't know if you had the same problem, but
it has been horrible by us. So I'm just very
curious how is that going to impact people's food plots
and they're hunting strategies around green plots and stuff like that.
How is this dry weather going to impact people with
mass crops this year? Are the mass crops going to
be impacted by that? What about water sources? Are the
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little isolated water holes maybe people usually depend on in
the early season, are those going to be dried up
and not you know, available for us to hunt over?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
What about EHD?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've been hearing more and more reports of EHD in
certain parts of the country. Is that going to be
popping up and really impacting people's seasons? All of that
is very much on my mind right now, based on
what I've seen and heard. I don't know if you've
heard any of this with your interviews so far, but
I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, that's that's already been a common occurrence. EHD has
been brought up the just the level of dryness from
failed food plots, potentially acorn dropping maybe a little bit earlier.
In some parts of the country, crops got in late,
so they say that crop's going to be out, you
know a little bit later this fall, and obviously that
can change things.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And then.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
For some of it too, it's so dry that some
of the crops are going to come out early. So
it's it feels like we're getting a little shaky start
to the season, like the stage is not set as
of right now to be.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This amazing thing. We had a really wet July.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know, It's like there was a lot of things
that we're setting up a really exciting year, and now
mother nature seems to be even the playing field as
we get closer to a lot of these season openers.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm I hate I feel like many seasons we're
kicking it off with a lot of excitement, and for
some reason, I'm kicking off this season with like some apprehension. Yeah,
because of some of those things we just talked about.
So I just don't know. I'm a little bit nervous.
I'm feeling nerves from people right now given some of that,
especially the EHD thing, I think, yeah, it's getting that's
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getting scary for a lot of folks.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So I actually I call I called my local game
boarden yesterday just to see have you heard any rumblings
of a BHD in this area, and he said no,
not at this time. I talked to not in regard
to refresh, but just talk to some folks where not
you know, southern Ohio, places outside of there that are
experiencing them some EHD or people getting nervous that deer
are disappearing. And then you know, we did that podcast
(09:20):
on the back forty about failed food plots and I
had I had bragged that I typically had don't have
failed food plots. I do have a failed food plot
here where I live. And I went out there last
week and I said, why is there no germination? But
on some of the other ones, they're they're coming up, okay,
But man, we need we need some rite.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
We need rain so bad, so bad. Well, I'll be
doing rain dances over here. I hope you'll be doing
the same. And maybe between all of us here, uh
listening to the Wired Hunt podcast and deer hunters all
over the country, of all of our rain dances are
done at the right times, enough times, maybe we'll finally
get some of that pre sip that we so desperately need. So, uh, Jake,
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who who are we hearing from today?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Who are we hearing from?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Where are they from?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What's coming up next? We have Cameron Dirt.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
He had success in North Dakota earlier this month, and
he's gonna be You had to listen on how excited
he is about the Ohio opener.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
We have Joe Cater from Missouri.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Their season opened up September fifteenth, and his approach and
what he's keen in on. He's had success in the
early season when when conditions are right, and it doesn't
sound like he's as bullish as it sits right here now.
And then we have our gentleman from Wisconsin who killed
a beautiful deer is and his name is Mitch Stam
and the Deer Society posted recently it's a very very
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impressive frame deer and he shot that on the first
sit of the season. So we're gonna hear how all
that came together, and it's gonna be a great kickoff
to Refresh, and I hope everyone tunes in every single
week because it's gonna get it's gonna get more exciting.
We're gonna things are gonna fall into our lap and
there's gonna be some positive bounces along the way.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I'm very, very excited. So we have some great guests.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Awesome, well, Jake, thank you for taking my baby and
stewarding it into this next phase of its life. I'm
excited for the Jake.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Kofer era of Retfresh Radio. And let's get to those interviews. Thanks.
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
All right.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
We got Cameron Der on the line. He recently tagged
a buck in North Dakota. He's back home in Ohio
and your season is opening up this weekend. But you
kicked off the season. How everyone dreams with a buck
tagged out on an out of state trip.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where were you and what were you doing?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I was in Minnesota. No, I'm just kidding. I was
in North Dakota. Went out there for the archery opener
this year. It opened earlier than it's ever opened. August
twenty ninth was the opener. So we were like, man,
we could really honing in on a deer doing something consistency,
with some consistency, And I actually took a trip out
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there in July, at the end of July to cameras
and kind of figure out what the deer we're doing.
The way it goes is when you take those trips
out early and think you have something pinned down, you
get out there to hunt at that time deer shedding
and they start doing crazy things and you lose them.
So it was a game of game of glass and
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a game of time, and I was able to connect.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What was one or two key things that puts you
an opportunity But to be you know, sub twenty yards
with with a buck that you're happy to shoot, you know,
target buck.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
So we've been going out there for five years and
I learned a lot in those progressions. But out in
those scenarios, glasses, the time behind glass and really figuring
out what deer are doing. It's so open that it
may seem like a deer doesn't have a trail or
a pattern or something that you can hone in on.
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But if you spend enough time behind the glass watching them,
there are areas where they're vulnerable. They're will be some
type of terrain pinch or some type of something that
you can take advantage if you spend enough time behind glass.
If I watch this deer do something one time and
I was like, Okay, well I'm gonna go kill him,
I wouldn't get it done. And I learned that over
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the time of being out there. So watch them do
the same thing on camera three times, physically watched them
with glass twice, and then I made my strategic move.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You come from a tree, comeing from the ground. What
is your strategy If it's really open. I have to
imagine traditional Midwest. I'm going to be getting a tree
or wise off twenty feet up. It's probably not in
your playbook.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
No, No, this area, it doesn't have This particular farm
that we were on, there are no trees. There's not
a tree on the farm. It's a fourteen acre piece
that does not have a single tree on it. There's
some shrubby brush things that would be like head high
that if they were in the right position, you could
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make a hide out of it. But in this particular area,
I had a standing corn field behind me, standing beans
in front of me, and I had a draw that
was going down into a lake below me. In between
the beans and the corn, there's a bunch of sage.
So the sage is like if you get into it,
it's like head high strategy we've used in the past.
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Is taken like a t post or a fence post
or something in there with us and like zip tying
some of that sage to it, just to give you
some sort of structure in front of you. And then
the standing corn was kind of like my backdrop and
some sage. So it's a fantastic hide. It's worked for
me twice in the same exact little sage pinch. When
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you get that crop rotation of corn and beans, you
have that edge out there, it's just dynamite And below
me was a cattail slew. If you have cattails standing corn,
standing beans in the first week of September in Dakota State,
you're in a pretty good situation.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What about you know, we're near the end of the
month of September, would you say, beast, same strategy and
advice would ring true if someone had a tag in
their pocket and they're in the Dakota's or they're in
a plain state, you know, ready to go this weekend.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
If there are trees in the area, like oak trees
and stuff, oaks are dropping and deer are are going
to prefer the oaks. But in those ag areas where
the beans are still green, the Dakota's were wet this year,
so they got a really good stand crop stand. If
the beans are still green, Yeah, that's that's exactly what
I would still be doing it. But if you are
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in other areas that are going to have oaks, oaks
are dropping and bucks are switching for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Hm. Okay, So now Ohio is going to be opening
this weekend. What's your what's your strategy? You know you
already have one down, right, so what is your strategy?
An outlook over the next seven days for Ohio's opener,
A lot of people are excited. I'm sure there given
to be a lot of people that are going to
go out there and scratch that edge. They've been waiting
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a long time to hunt for the first time in
their respective home state. If it's Ohio, what would you
say or what are you paying attention to as the
season is about to open.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Temperatures and oaks for this weekend? But depending on what
part of Ohio you're in right now, I severely feel
for you. If you're in the southeast portion, I don't
know what you do down there, don't I don't know
what you plan to do. Do you even hunt this year?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Is that Have you heard it being that severe?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah? There was a report it's like on Facebook and
I didn't validate it, but they said they were over
seven thousand deer reported reported in ten Times. Gosh, that's
not what hasn't been reported or hasn't been found. So
it's really ugly in the southeast portion right now. So
you probably are going to get yourself in a situation
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where you're going to travel or go somewhere, And if
you're in that boat right now, I would be paying
attention to oaks. Oaks are starting to drop. It's been
so dry there seems like they're dropping a little earlier
then maybe typical, So yeah, oaks. For me, I'm gonna
pay attention to the weather. I have that tag filled,
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so I'm not itching or dying to get out there.
And right now the outlook doesn't look too great for
temperatures mid mid to high seventies. A couple of weeks
ago it was in the sixties and feeling right, and
then we had this warm spell pop up. So in
the outlook that I have right now, there's not that
cold front. But when we get that cold front, if
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you have a deer still doing some sort of pattern
on on some oaks, or if you still have green beans,
they're yellowing up really quick. But right now it's all
bed to food and temperatures.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
If you had to put a scale one to ten
for the next seven days with your guys season opening Saturday,
ten being electric best it's ever been, and one being
you're not going to probably send an alarm on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Where does it fall.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Time of year plays into a lot of this, But
I'm gonna say like a five. I'm in the middle.
I don't feel great about it because you're not getting
the most optimal temperatures. But if you're in a position
where you have a deer doing something with some sort
of consistency, he's not been pressured yet. This first week
of the season, for a lot of people is go time.
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It is the time to take advantage of that. So
for me personally, I don't have that situation. The deer
are switching into smokes and I got to move some
ultary cameras around and figure them out a little bit more,
spend too much time focusing on North Dakota. But yeah,
I would put it at like a five. But if
you're in a situation where you have a deer pinned
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down and you know what he's doing, it's probably a
little higher on that scale.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For the first week of the season.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, the time is here, congratulations once again on a
successful Dakota's buck. It's always great to It's almost like,
is the sun going to come up? Is camera going
to shoot a buck in the Dakota's it's almost you
shoot it, you shoo it in. So congratulations with that. Awesome,
awesome to hear that story. And good luck this season,
good luck this weekend if you head out, and thank
you so much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All Right, we got Joe Cater on the line.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
He's in Missouri and their season has already been opened.
How is everything going in Missouri? It's a little hot,
it's a little dry. What have you been seen or
not seen?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
So it's kind of been all over the place. I've
got a couple of shooters that have been on my
dad's form, but it's one of those spots where it's
it's a duck hunt farm. He's a duck hunter, so
he's always up there being retired and doing whatever he wants,
scaring the hell out of everything. But so I haven't
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those deer have not been regular in any way, shape
or form. And I'm really concerned that you know that
three letter word we all fear when the drought comes
is EHD. So I haven't had pictures either one of
those deer for three weeks, two three weeks at least,
and haven't had any rain of any measurable content over there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
For probably six weeks. I want to say, yeah, six weeks.
My fault plot's over there, complete loss.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So here at home, we had a half inch the
other day, but again before that, it was I mean
I haven't had any rain since July. So I redrilled
fault plots Saturday. When cereal grains because they just I
mean it's hard, you know, unless you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Really good way to irrigate.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And I'm busy trying to married and reason my family,
so that's uh, that's priority number one. So uh, it's
just been kind of tough. Uh had one years, probably
a shooter here at my house at least one, and
there's another one that it's kind of hard because at
my home home farm there, you know, I'm I'm kind
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of in the hills off of the river bottoms, and
until they cut those crops in the bottom, I don't
see a whole lot of activity as far as mature
bucks go.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So that's kind of that's kind of where we're.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, what would you say, are you anticipating crops to
get out on time this year? If you had a
guess when they might eventually get out? I mean, what's
kind of your prediction for that? If if for folks
that have similar situation.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, they're gonna be a little bit behind of where
what we would consider normal.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Here in north central Missouri.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
We had a rotary club dinner Monday night, and I'm
surrounded by farmers of that thing, and you know, they're
probably gonna start cutting here this weekend. Is the word
on the street. As far as cutting. There's you know,
because a lot of those crops. We had a very
wet spring and summer. We had a very wet springing summer,
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and you know, they didn't get a lot of those
crops in the time that they normally do.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So that's just kind of what the cars that we're
dealt right now.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So so looking you know, looking at the extended forecast,
looks like it's still going to be warm this upcoming weekend.
You know, your season at that point had been open
for you know, almost two weeks or so. Are you
are you gonna be out and doing dope patrol? Are
you gonna be sitting back and waiting? What is your
strategy going into this upcoming weekend? You know, like the
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twenty fifth or twenty sixth of September.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Un left, I got a deer that's doing something.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Silly on a fault plot that's doing well the first
few weeks of the season. I'm just kind of a
hurry up and wait kind of guy. I mean, if
you're one of those guys that's got a deer on
camera doing something in daylight, I mean, get after him,
because uh, well the deer on the wall behind me.
I killed him on September twentieth. You just got to
have you just got to have the right cards played,
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and you know, the deer have to exist and be
in order to be able to hunt mature buck. So
you know, if you're if you're getting consistent pictures of one,
even though it's hot, I mean, get out there, you know.
But that's that's kind of what's you know, I've had
limited early season success only because the opportunity was there.
And if the opportunity is there and you got cameras
(23:33):
out or any MRI, you know, get after him. But
but I'm kind of My farm's mostly CRP and it
got sixty acres September, but it's that's my home form.
But it's just kind of one of those spots to
where once I get those crops out, it really picks up.
After the first of October, tenth of October, that's kind
of when things start getting real. I just took my
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electric fence down off my beans last week, so and
there the beans did, I mean the crop, the spring
plots did incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I think we I don't want.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
To speak for the whole entire area, but I loft
something like twelve and fourteen inches of rain in July
in Missouri. It is like crazy, it's crazy, it's you know,
so my soy beans are not up to my chin,
but you know, they're incredible. And those were late ones,
just because I had I had a wrong variety of
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beans and I messed up and spray two four D
on them. But just I when in the spring, I'm
like super busy with all the different plots and things, and.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Grabbed the wrong bottle. That's all it was to it.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
So I smoked them and had to replant them. I
replanted some for a buddy on July fourth, and they're
up almost up to my waist. So just because I
how much moisture and that's not very good dirt either.
So but just go go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, if you had to for someone listening, if there
was one specific food source with you know this warm
temperatures that's been dry or I guess one one terrain feature,
one one focal point to fill a tag on a
buck and you had to and you had to look
at it over the next seven days. You know, twenty
second on what is the one thing that you'd be
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keenan on the most.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Pay attentionally history in years past. If you've got that
white oakridge that dropping acorns, do not overlook that without
any MRI. If you're just one of those guys that's
got to get in the woods, even though you don't
have any intel, gost it gostit and white overridge or
something were historically you've had acorns drop.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because even though around here anyway.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Even though we didn't have a whole heck of a
lot of rain recently, you know we are still going
to have a really good acorn drop on timber farms.
I don't have a ton of timber on my form,
but I've got some permission spots to do. And if
I get a wild hair and the family's all good,
you know, I'll still go sit in eighty five degrees
on a white oak bridge on a spot that I
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got and which is actually up very far from where
that deer came from behind me. So yeah, that's that's
kind of something I would key in on if you're
somewhere that just got to get in the tree without
the MRI.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So love it all right.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So in the next seven days, ten being the best
week of hunting of your entire life and one being yeah,
you'd be just fine if you don't go h that
would be one one to ten.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Where does the next seven days fall.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
For me or for everybody, or for you?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
For you and for Missouri. You're you're speaking for the
state of Missouri right now?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
I mean three maybe? Yeah, you know, I mean I did.
I did get into recurve a little bit. I got
a recurve a few months ago, and I've been jam
and arrows into the haybial with that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I might get a whild hair to go try and
spek a dough.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
But other than that, I'm kind of I'm kind of
laid back in the early season. You know, if something
shakes out to where I got some MRI, I got
to make sure that Jesus is worth the squeeze when
I leave the family, you know, with a four year
old and an eight year old to to Finn for
my wife fends for so well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Joe, Well, good luck, appreciate the insight, and uh, it's
gonna get better. So if so, hopefully someone doesn't get discouraged.
It's a long season and we're gonna get some cold fronts.
You know, everything's gonna happen the way it's supposed to do.
But you know, we're in the very first leg of
the race here.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I mean, yeah, I still got gear there, packing velvet,
so I mean, it's not you know, it's kind of
one of those things that where you know, hurry up
and wait and then go like hell when it gets
you right for you in your particular situation.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thank you so much, Joe. Good luck this season.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You bet you too, buddy.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Next up on the line, we have Mitch, and Mitch
is fresh off killing a giant in Wisconsin. How does
it feel, Mitch, You're kicking off the season with a
lot of intensity.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
It feels pretty incredible and not gonna lie like getting
her done on eighty three degree weather is almost unheard
of without a cold front or anything that early. But
got lucky that he was still sticking to that summer pattern.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Kind of and got after him.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I love it, so give us set the stage for us.
So it was eighty eighty some degrees and he was
sticking to a summer pattern. Where was he going to?
How far do you think he was coming out of
a bedding area? And I'd love to hear those those details.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
So actually the night before I was filming a wedding
that Saturday of opening day, and he came through on
daylight about an hour before like last legal shooting light.
So I'm sitting I'm like, oh man, he's still moving
an eighty three degree weather. So that's it's good to know.
I will get up there and maybe try to hunt him.
So the next day we had a birthday party and
I was trying to get my dad to go all day.
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I was like, Dad, I think they should go after him.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
He's like, yeah, maybe we'll go.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
And then after a while it kind of got hotter
and hotter out He's like, you can go out if
I want to go.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I'm like, well, I'm gonna go after him. He's like
all right, well, good luck, and we went up.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
The spot is actually where I've killed my last couple
of bucks. It's up on top of a ridge. This
is in Buffalo County, so the infamous bluffs and everything
around is pretty much right on the top of one
of those. Got a water hole up there, and we
have probably about a half acre food plot, and actually
a tree just went down in that food plot. We
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had a big storm like a month ago or so
and a huge oak tree fell over. So we had
a gate up there and reconstruct that whole food plot.
I think it was like August twenty second or something
like that. So we went in there and planted a
bunch of rye and clover and got it coming up
pretty well, and he was on it almost immediately and
got pretty excited right after that because at Young Rye
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they love that this time heere, especially when I mean
the opening week and there's a bunch not only that
acorn or oak tree, there's a bunch of other oak
trees around. And that night when I was sitting out there,
there was six Sols probably fifteen yards away from me,
just launching on acorns. So I'm sure that had quite
a bit of a draw as well, because I could
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hear him the whole night when I was sitting there,
just falling and hitting my blind.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The whole night.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
It was pretty pretty comical just hearing them just continue
to hit the blind too.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Man, so it was raining acorns, you had fresh, tender
new growth. How far do you think that buck went
from when he got up out of his bed that
evening if you had a.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Guess, Well, there's a huge cornfield on the neighbors to
the south there, and I'm almost positive he came from
out of there, And I wouldn't say if he was
betting in there somewhere. I don't think he traveled less
than one hundred yards. He just better than that cornfield.
And I kind of rolled the dice. Normally we have
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a pond setup that we normally sit like early season
or whatever, but seutheast wind is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Almost dead wrong for that spot.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
So because of winds blowing right to that pond, and
normally they like to come out on that point more.
But I from the pictures the night before, it looked
like he was coming from the corn the other way
instead of that point. So I'm like, well, by go
and sit in this blind instead of down by that
water hole. I'll have a good shot at maybe seeing him,
and the wind would be perfect for that.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And ended up getting lucky and.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Came out and then within the daylight and had a
quite the hassle getting drawn back in that blind. I
had to draw back three different times before I shot him.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But what was going on?
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Well, I was in this blind, It's well, this is
pretty much my gun stand that I only sit in,
and we have a tree stand probably fifteen yards away
from it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But it's hard to sell film out of. So I
was like, I don't know if on a roll.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
The dice go up there and it's a little bit
more self and the wind would have been a little
bit more wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So I was like, I got a chance it out
of that blind.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
And as soon as I got in that blind that night,
I wanted to practice drawn back and everything. But twenty minutes,
probably after I got in, a dough in a fawn
came to that food lot and didn't give me a
chance to mess around with anything or draw back, and
that kind of screwed me over. But man, I got
lucky that I was able to finally draw back and
release an arrow at him.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
No, that's that is amazing what you've had success early.
So for someone listening, you know, let's just say for
the last eight days of September. So you know, picture
the last eight days of September, last nine days of September.
What's one thing that you think would be very important
for people to key in on hopefully have a you know,
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similar success to yourself.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, definitely, Uh, this time of year, a lot of
times those Braskas are holding so much moistury yet in
those leaves, and they don't really need to go to
the ponds to get all that water, but because they
can just get it right from the Braska leaves. And
actually Friday night he was out daylight and a whole
different food plot munched in front of a big old
Braskt plot that we had. So I'd say definitely keying
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on those Braskas especially. I think there's a cold front
i'ment through here in the next couple of days, so
I'm sure they'll be moving pretty well there. And definitely
the acorns were a drawing card on Sunday night when
I killed my buck too.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
How risky did the hunt feel based off of access?
Were you were you nervous about going in there or
did you feel that was a pretty bowlproof setup?
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I thought, I mean I was a little nervous because
of where he was coming from the corn I kind
of got to well, I literally got to drive our
ranger all the way up that bluff and come around
from the opposite side. We park up kind of on
this hillside and walk in that way. But I knew
it's kind of hidden from the top of the cornfield.
It's probably like thirty forty feet down below, so you
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can't really see the ranger if they're betting in that
corn there. And I had multiple different times.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We'd be out working this year.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
We made a new pond for him and put in
a blind, and he seemed to not care at all.
He came out a couple hours after we were all
messing around and digging in a new water hole. So
I think he got pretty used to the ranger over
time because he just still come up and daylight and
ACKed like nothing was new. But uh, yeah, I think
it was kind of risky, but I figured I had
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to give it a chance because the night before he
was out there broad daylight.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, so you know, conventional wisdom would say, man, it's
eighty some degrees, don't even bother. But you went out
there and made it happen. You had really good intel
that you had. You had a really real chance and
you made it happen. How have you measured the inside
with it that deer yet?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I did?
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Actually I took it over to a good friend of mine,
Shane Innerbow. He does a lot of antler stuff with
sheds and scores a lot of deer, and he I
think he got it at twenty five and seven.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
A's Oh my god, yeah, pretty unreal. I called him.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
I had nicknamed him the two footer last year when
I first got pictures of him, I'm like, holy crap,
that's got to be the widest deer I've ever had
on camera. And I guess I was underplane how wide
he was. It was pretty awesome getting that tape on him.
After we got them all tracked down and got them
out of the woods. That's the first thing we were
We got to get a tape on him. See how
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why this guy is?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Unreal?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
H No, totally totally unreal. Uh congratulations. If you had
to skit, you know, give a scale one to ten
on what the last eight days of September may look like,
ten being to kill a deer's widest two feet wider
than two feet wide, and one being it's gonna be
really tough. Where would you rank that one to ten.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
September?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I mean, they're still kind of in their summer patterns
before they start breaking up, and normally around this time
here we get new bucks that are showing up from
I don't know, a mile a mile and a half away,
kind of getting out of their summer ranges. But it
seems like there's another drawing card that I was on.
I put a mock straight uh rub and got a
couple oak branches hanging off there too, And he was
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coming e b lined right for that scrape tree too,
and I kind of noticed some trail camera pictures that
he was certain his dominance. Whenever he'd come up to
the plot, you get all a little bristled up and
show off the other younger bucks what he's made of.
And yeah, he game be lined right for that scrape
tree too. So those scrapes are starting to.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Heat up now too, now that all the belt's.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Gone, and I don't know, that's one thing that I
know everybody's starting the key and on more is those scrapes,
because they're not only good for pictures and hunting over,
but they're just yeah, they're a game changer.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So one to ten. You got to give us a number.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
If you get a cold good cold front in late October,
late September, I give it's high up or I give
it a probably a eight or nine.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I really liked late September.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Awesome, man.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well, I hadragulations. I had another buck that I shot
a couple of years ago. I probably had one of
my best hunts ever and that was on September twenty
second in a clover field on a cold front and
probably saw fifteen to twenty deer that night, including that
giant buff.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Never got a shot at him that night, but it
was awesome night.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Oh that's that's super cool. Well, those great advice. Congratulations
once again, and yeah, just an incredible deer. And I
encourage everyone to go check out that they have to
see this deer to believe it, because when I saw it,
I said, I got to talk to Mitch and congratulating.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So thank you so much and good luck the rest
of the year.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Appreciate it, Jake, thank you here.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
You guys have it. Welcome back to retfresh.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
We had some common advice of if you have a
buck that is doing the same thing, you can take
advantage of it. Go out and do it even if
the conditions aren't perfect. Mitch is the example of this
and I hope you guys have a great week and
if you're waiting on the sideline for October First, your
time is coming. Stay strong, keep scouting, and get ready
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to enjoy a fun and exciting fall. We will see
you next week on Retfresh.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
See you
All right, folks, welcome back to another episode of the
Wired to Hunt podcast, and we are back for another
season of our rut Fresh radio mini series. This is
like season eight, maybe it's been a long time running.
It's a fan favor every season. Come the fall, we
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do this extra drop, which if you are not familiar,
I want to give you a very fast rundown of
what this show will entail this week and every week
from now on through the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What we're doing is.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We are chatting with a handful of different deer hunters
from across the country every single week to find out
what they've been seeing in the woods, what kinds of
behavior they have been noticing, how recent weather factors or
conditions or atmospheric conditions, whatever be, how that stuff's impacting
deer movement, how the changing habitat out there is impacting
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deer movement, deer behavior and hunting strategy, and how all
of this can help you he was a hunter in
your coming hunts over the next three, four or five, six,
seven days. That's what we do, quick hits with people
all across the country to get the most recent relevant
information to help you as a deer hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
This week.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So that's what the show is.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And it's been like that for like I said, seven
or eight or nine years now. Now what is different
this year is that we have a new captain for
the rough Fresh ship. This year, my good buddy mister
j Koefer is taking the reins from our palace Tyler
and Casey, who've ran the show for the last two
or three years. Jake just ran an awesome mini series
(01:36):
called the Back forty Podcast, which hopefully you heard, that
is wrapping up and now rutfresh is kicking off. So Jake,
great work with a Back forty and welcome to rot
Fresh Radio.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Hey, it's great to be here, and it's gonna be
an exciting fall and it's gonna be a roller coaster.
There's gonna be things that we can predict and there's
gonna be things we can't predict, and it's gonna be
great to get and idea what's going on across the country.
And I would say this too, key weather fronts. You
can listen to a guy that's maybe further west and
what was he seeing just a couple of days ago,
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and how can it apply to your neck of the
woods or north to south.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So really excited for it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, and so you've heard this episode, You've heard this
show as a listener, you've tuned in as a listener
of the year, so you know what it's all about.
But you've never been in the captain's seat having to
find these people, talk to these people, extract useful information
from them. How are you feeling about this new responsibility
that you bear, having to be the conduit for tens
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of thousands of people to get the information they need
this week to have success in the field.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Do you feel that pressure maybe a little bit now.
I mean, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
It's going to be great to hear the success of
you know, people having throughout the season, or maybe the
struggles or just the anticipation of the season builds up.
I mean, I feel like it's going to be contagious
and I'm looking forward to it. I Mean, we have
some really good guests here for this week, and we
actually have one if a guy that shot a really wide,
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awesome buck and so as a as a deer hunting fan,
I'm excited to hear the story firsthand and see what
he keyed it on. And so it's great to be here,
grateful for the opportunity, and it's gonna be a lot
of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So is there anything new that we should be watching
for this year? With you running the show? And you know,
I'm here this episode, but I'm I probably won't be
around for most of the episodes. You'll be running the
whole show from here on out. I'll drop in as
a guest here and there. But do you have any
changes you're wanting to make? Is there anything new coming
down the pipeline that we should be watching.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
For The plane is gonna get built in the air,
so as it sits expect some really good information.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know why. It's been a favorite in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
And I feel like once I get my sleeves up
and maybe ankle deep in some mud, there's very possible
there's gonna be some audibles or some different approaches here.
So that's that's my foreshadowing without an idea of what
the foreshadowy really is. And there that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
One thing, though, am I right?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Are you still planning on having video for all of
these interviews?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
This is that right?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
All of them are still gonna be video.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
There'll be some challenges, yeah, there'll be some challenges throughout here,
so that is one of the biggest changes. And I
feel sometimes it's crazy just how many people watch podcasts
on YouTube now. And I think that audio is great.
But to see the excitement or maybe see the dark
circles under my.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Eyes or guest eyes.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
They've been out, you know, in the in the woods
chasing deer for three weeks, four weeks or a week solid,
it's going to be fun to look at my face.
I guess week one here in September, September, and then
by the end of December, see what I look like.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, you know what you should try to do. Here's
a little stretch goal for you. If we could somehow
get some of our successful guests, you know who just
kill the deer. We got to get some of these
guys to like take us out to the truck or
to the barn or to wherever they've got there. Did
I want to see some of these deer in real life.
That'd be pretty fun, a great story. So if that
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works for anyone, try to get that. I'd love to
see some video of these deer that we're getting the
recent stories and recent information from or another good one.
Maybe we can get someone to report to us from
a tree. I don't think that's ever happened before. We've
never hit anyone calling before from a hunt where they
can actually show us what things are looking like right now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Maybe that won't work because it'll be whispering on a podcast,
which doesn't sound ideal.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
But brainstorming here I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I might be hosting from the tree at one point,
so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I love it, so okay, so that's the game plan.
That's what we have to look forward to. What else
do you want to cover here before we get to
the interviews?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think that's that's the premise. I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Hopefully everyone is just chomping at the bit for this
upcoming season. I know some folks are still waiting for
that October one date to hit the calendar, but there's
people that are up and going and we've been talking
with them, and uh, that's pretty much all the housekeeping
I can think of for the time being. And I
know you recently just got back from a trip and
I haven't I don't know how it went, and so
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I'm really eager to hear your Western adventures slash fishing
trip too, like hunting and fishing trip.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, the cast and the last we're going to be
doing a full podcast on it, so I won't give
away too much, but I can tell you that probably
one of the big things that we experienced on this
trip is something that a lot of folks are going
to be experiencing over the next week as they're listening
to this, which is still a lot of these hot
and dry conditions. And I'm really curious to hear from
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the other guests that you have on the show today
about how they are dealing with this weather, don't I
don't think this is unique to me. I think that
this has been a very dry, hot, you know, late
summer and early fall for a lot of people, and
I gotta believe that's going to be impacting deer and
deer hunting strategies. I'm I'm you know, seeing this with
my food plots. I've never had a worse food plot year.
(07:03):
I don't know if you had the same problem, but
it has been horrible by us. So I'm just very
curious how is that going to impact people's food plots
and they're hunting strategies around green plots and stuff like that.
How is this dry weather going to impact people with
mass crops this year? Are the mass crops going to
be impacted by that? What about water sources? Are the
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little isolated water holes maybe people usually depend on in
the early season, are those going to be dried up
and not you know, available for us to hunt over?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
What about EHD?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I've been hearing more and more reports of EHD in
certain parts of the country. Is that going to be
popping up and really impacting people's seasons? All of that
is very much on my mind right now, based on
what I've seen and heard. I don't know if you've
heard any of this with your interviews so far, but
I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, that's that's already been a common occurrence. EHD has
been brought up the just the level of dryness from
failed food plots, potentially acorn dropping maybe a little bit earlier.
In some parts of the country, crops got in late,
so they say that crop's going to be out, you
know a little bit later this fall, and obviously that
can change things.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And then.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
For some of it too, it's so dry that some
of the crops are going to come out early. So
it's it feels like we're getting a little shaky start
to the season, like the stage is not set as
of right now to be.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
This amazing thing. We had a really wet July.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You know, It's like there was a lot of things
that we're setting up a really exciting year, and now
mother nature seems to be even the playing field as
we get closer to a lot of these season openers.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm I hate I feel like many seasons we're
kicking it off with a lot of excitement, and for
some reason, I'm kicking off this season with like some apprehension. Yeah,
because of some of those things we just talked about.
So I just don't know. I'm a little bit nervous.
I'm feeling nerves from people right now given some of that,
especially the EHD thing, I think, yeah, it's getting that's
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getting scary for a lot of folks.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So I actually I call I called my local game
boarden yesterday just to see have you heard any rumblings
of a BHD in this area, and he said no,
not at this time. I talked to not in regard
to refresh, but just talk to some folks where not
you know, southern Ohio, places outside of there that are
experiencing them some EHD or people getting nervous that deer
are disappearing. And then you know, we did that podcast
(09:20):
on the back forty about failed food plots and I
had I had bragged that I typically had don't have
failed food plots. I do have a failed food plot
here where I live. And I went out there last
week and I said, why is there no germination? But
on some of the other ones, they're they're coming up, okay,
But man, we need we need some rite.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
We need rain so bad, so bad. Well, I'll be
doing rain dances over here. I hope you'll be doing
the same. And maybe between all of us here, uh
listening to the Wired Hunt podcast and deer hunters all
over the country, of all of our rain dances are
done at the right times, enough times, maybe we'll finally
get some of that pre sip that we so desperately need. So, uh, Jake,
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who who are we hearing from today?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Who are we hearing from?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Where are they from?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What's coming up next? We have Cameron Dirt.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
He had success in North Dakota earlier this month, and
he's gonna be You had to listen on how excited
he is about the Ohio opener.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
We have Joe Cater from Missouri.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Their season opened up September fifteenth, and his approach and
what he's keen in on. He's had success in the
early season when when conditions are right, and it doesn't
sound like he's as bullish as it sits right here now.
And then we have our gentleman from Wisconsin who killed
a beautiful deer is and his name is Mitch Stam
and the Deer Society posted recently it's a very very
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impressive frame deer and he shot that on the first
sit of the season. So we're gonna hear how all
that came together, and it's gonna be a great kickoff
to Refresh, and I hope everyone tunes in every single
week because it's gonna get it's gonna get more exciting.
We're gonna things are gonna fall into our lap and
there's gonna be some positive bounces along the way.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I'm very, very excited. So we have some great guests.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Awesome, well, Jake, thank you for taking my baby and
stewarding it into this next phase of its life. I'm
excited for the Jake.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Kofer era of Retfresh Radio. And let's get to those interviews. Thanks.
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
All right.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
We got Cameron Der on the line. He recently tagged
a buck in North Dakota. He's back home in Ohio
and your season is opening up this weekend. But you
kicked off the season. How everyone dreams with a buck
tagged out on an out of state trip.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Where were you and what were you doing?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I was in Minnesota. No, I'm just kidding. I was
in North Dakota. Went out there for the archery opener
this year. It opened earlier than it's ever opened. August
twenty ninth was the opener. So we were like, man,
we could really honing in on a deer doing something consistency,
with some consistency, And I actually took a trip out
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there in July, at the end of July to cameras
and kind of figure out what the deer we're doing.
The way it goes is when you take those trips
out early and think you have something pinned down, you
get out there to hunt at that time deer shedding
and they start doing crazy things and you lose them.
So it was a game of game of glass and
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a game of time, and I was able to connect.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
What was one or two key things that puts you
an opportunity But to be you know, sub twenty yards
with with a buck that you're happy to shoot, you know,
target buck.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
So we've been going out there for five years and
I learned a lot in those progressions. But out in
those scenarios, glasses, the time behind glass and really figuring
out what deer are doing. It's so open that it
may seem like a deer doesn't have a trail or
a pattern or something that you can hone in on.
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But if you spend enough time behind the glass watching them,
there are areas where they're vulnerable. They're will be some
type of terrain pinch or some type of something that
you can take advantage if you spend enough time behind glass.
If I watch this deer do something one time and
I was like, Okay, well I'm gonna go kill him,
I wouldn't get it done. And I learned that over
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the time of being out there. So watch them do
the same thing on camera three times, physically watched them
with glass twice, and then I made my strategic move.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You come from a tree, comeing from the ground. What
is your strategy If it's really open. I have to
imagine traditional Midwest. I'm going to be getting a tree
or wise off twenty feet up. It's probably not in
your playbook.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
No, No, this area, it doesn't have This particular farm
that we were on, there are no trees. There's not
a tree on the farm. It's a fourteen acre piece
that does not have a single tree on it. There's
some shrubby brush things that would be like head high
that if they were in the right position, you could
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make a hide out of it. But in this particular area,
I had a standing corn field behind me, standing beans
in front of me, and I had a draw that
was going down into a lake below me. In between
the beans and the corn, there's a bunch of sage.
So the sage is like if you get into it,
it's like head high strategy we've used in the past.
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Is taken like a t post or a fence post
or something in there with us and like zip tying
some of that sage to it, just to give you
some sort of structure in front of you. And then
the standing corn was kind of like my backdrop and
some sage. So it's a fantastic hide. It's worked for
me twice in the same exact little sage pinch. When
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you get that crop rotation of corn and beans, you
have that edge out there, it's just dynamite And below
me was a cattail slew. If you have cattails standing corn,
standing beans in the first week of September in Dakota State,
you're in a pretty good situation.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
What about you know, we're near the end of the
month of September, would you say, beast, same strategy and
advice would ring true if someone had a tag in
their pocket and they're in the Dakota's or they're in
a plain state, you know, ready to go this weekend.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
If there are trees in the area, like oak trees
and stuff, oaks are dropping and deer are are going
to prefer the oaks. But in those ag areas where
the beans are still green, the Dakota's were wet this year,
so they got a really good stand crop stand. If
the beans are still green, Yeah, that's that's exactly what
I would still be doing it. But if you are
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in other areas that are going to have oaks, oaks
are dropping and bucks are switching for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Hm. Okay, So now Ohio is going to be opening
this weekend. What's your what's your strategy? You know you
already have one down, right, so what is your strategy?
An outlook over the next seven days for Ohio's opener,
A lot of people are excited. I'm sure there given
to be a lot of people that are going to
go out there and scratch that edge. They've been waiting
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a long time to hunt for the first time in
their respective home state. If it's Ohio, what would you
say or what are you paying attention to as the
season is about to open.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Temperatures and oaks for this weekend? But depending on what
part of Ohio you're in right now, I severely feel
for you. If you're in the southeast portion, I don't
know what you do down there, don't I don't know
what you plan to do. Do you even hunt this year?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Is that Have you heard it being that severe?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah? There was a report it's like on Facebook and
I didn't validate it, but they said they were over
seven thousand deer reported reported in ten Times. Gosh, that's
not what hasn't been reported or hasn't been found. So
it's really ugly in the southeast portion right now. So
you probably are going to get yourself in a situation
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where you're going to travel or go somewhere, And if
you're in that boat right now, I would be paying
attention to oaks. Oaks are starting to drop. It's been
so dry there seems like they're dropping a little earlier
then maybe typical, So yeah, oaks. For me, I'm gonna
pay attention to the weather. I have that tag filled,
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so I'm not itching or dying to get out there.
And right now the outlook doesn't look too great for
temperatures mid mid to high seventies. A couple of weeks
ago it was in the sixties and feeling right, and
then we had this warm spell pop up. So in
the outlook that I have right now, there's not that
cold front. But when we get that cold front, if
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you have a deer still doing some sort of pattern
on on some oaks, or if you still have green beans,
they're yellowing up really quick. But right now it's all
bed to food and temperatures.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
If you had to put a scale one to ten
for the next seven days with your guys season opening Saturday,
ten being electric best it's ever been, and one being
you're not going to probably send an alarm on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Where does it fall.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Time of year plays into a lot of this, But
I'm gonna say like a five. I'm in the middle.
I don't feel great about it because you're not getting
the most optimal temperatures. But if you're in a position
where you have a deer doing something with some sort
of consistency, he's not been pressured yet. This first week
of the season, for a lot of people is go time.
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It is the time to take advantage of that. So
for me personally, I don't have that situation. The deer
are switching into smokes and I got to move some
ultary cameras around and figure them out a little bit more,
spend too much time focusing on North Dakota. But yeah,
I would put it at like a five. But if
you're in a situation where you have a deer pinned
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down and you know what he's doing, it's probably a
little higher on that scale.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For the first week of the season.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, the time is here, congratulations once again on a
successful Dakota's buck. It's always great to It's almost like,
is the sun going to come up? Is camera going
to shoot a buck in the Dakota's it's almost you
shoot it, you shoo it in. So congratulations with that. Awesome,
awesome to hear that story. And good luck this season,
good luck this weekend if you head out, and thank
you so much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All Right, we got Joe Cater on the line.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
He's in Missouri and their season has already been opened.
How is everything going in Missouri? It's a little hot,
it's a little dry. What have you been seen or
not seen?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
So it's kind of been all over the place. I've
got a couple of shooters that have been on my
dad's form, but it's one of those spots where it's
it's a duck hunt farm. He's a duck hunter, so
he's always up there being retired and doing whatever he wants,
scaring the hell out of everything. But so I haven't
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those deer have not been regular in any way, shape
or form. And I'm really concerned that you know that
three letter word we all fear when the drought comes
is EHD. So I haven't had pictures either one of
those deer for three weeks, two three weeks at least,
and haven't had any rain of any measurable content over there.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
For probably six weeks. I want to say, yeah, six weeks.
My fault plot's over there, complete loss.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So here at home, we had a half inch the
other day, but again before that, it was I mean
I haven't had any rain since July. So I redrilled
fault plots Saturday. When cereal grains because they just I
mean it's hard, you know, unless you have a.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Really good way to irrigate.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And I'm busy trying to married and reason my family,
so that's uh, that's priority number one. So uh, it's
just been kind of tough. Uh had one years, probably
a shooter here at my house at least one, and
there's another one that it's kind of hard because at
my home home farm there, you know, I'm I'm kind
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of in the hills off of the river bottoms, and
until they cut those crops in the bottom, I don't
see a whole lot of activity as far as mature
bucks go.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So that's kind of that's kind of where we're.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, what would you say, are you anticipating crops to
get out on time this year? If you had a
guess when they might eventually get out? I mean, what's
kind of your prediction for that? If if for folks
that have similar situation.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, they're gonna be a little bit behind of where
what we would consider normal.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Here in north central Missouri.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
We had a rotary club dinner Monday night, and I'm
surrounded by farmers of that thing, and you know, they're
probably gonna start cutting here this weekend. Is the word
on the street. As far as cutting. There's you know,
because a lot of those crops. We had a very
wet spring and summer. We had a very wet springing summer,
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and you know, they didn't get a lot of those
crops in the time that they normally do.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
So that's just kind of what the cars that we're
dealt right now.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
So so looking you know, looking at the extended forecast,
looks like it's still going to be warm this upcoming weekend.
You know, your season at that point had been open
for you know, almost two weeks or so. Are you
are you gonna be out and doing dope patrol? Are
you gonna be sitting back and waiting? What is your
strategy going into this upcoming weekend? You know, like the
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twenty fifth or twenty sixth of September.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Un left, I got a deer that's doing something.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Silly on a fault plot that's doing well the first
few weeks of the season. I'm just kind of a
hurry up and wait kind of guy. I mean, if
you're one of those guys that's got a deer on
camera doing something in daylight, I mean, get after him,
because uh, well the deer on the wall behind me.
I killed him on September twentieth. You just got to
have you just got to have the right cards played,
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and you know, the deer have to exist and be
in order to be able to hunt mature buck. So
you know, if you're if you're getting consistent pictures of one,
even though it's hot, I mean, get out there, you know.
But that's that's kind of what's you know, I've had
limited early season success only because the opportunity was there.
And if the opportunity is there and you got cameras
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out or any MRI, you know, get after him. But
but I'm kind of My farm's mostly CRP and it
got sixty acres September, but it's that's my home form.
But it's just kind of one of those spots to
where once I get those crops out, it really picks up.
After the first of October, tenth of October, that's kind
of when things start getting real. I just took my
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electric fence down off my beans last week, so and
there the beans did, I mean the crop, the spring
plots did incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I think we I don't want.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
To speak for the whole entire area, but I loft
something like twelve and fourteen inches of rain in July
in Missouri. It is like crazy, it's crazy, it's you know,
so my soy beans are not up to my chin,
but you know, they're incredible. And those were late ones,
just because I had I had a wrong variety of
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beans and I messed up and spray two four D
on them. But just I when in the spring, I'm
like super busy with all the different plots and things, and.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Grabbed the wrong bottle. That's all it was to it.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
So I smoked them and had to replant them. I
replanted some for a buddy on July fourth, and they're
up almost up to my waist. So just because I
how much moisture and that's not very good dirt either.
So but just go go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Yeah, if you had to for someone listening, if there
was one specific food source with you know this warm
temperatures that's been dry or I guess one one terrain feature,
one one focal point to fill a tag on a
buck and you had to and you had to look
at it over the next seven days. You know, twenty
second on what is the one thing that you'd be
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keenan on the most.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
Pay attentionally history in years past. If you've got that
white oakridge that dropping acorns, do not overlook that without
any MRI. If you're just one of those guys that's
got to get in the woods, even though you don't
have any intel, gost it gostit and white overridge or
something were historically you've had acorns drop.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because even though around here anyway.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Even though we didn't have a whole heck of a
lot of rain recently, you know we are still going
to have a really good acorn drop on timber farms.
I don't have a ton of timber on my form,
but I've got some permission spots to do. And if
I get a wild hair and the family's all good,
you know, I'll still go sit in eighty five degrees
on a white oak bridge on a spot that I
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got and which is actually up very far from where
that deer came from behind me. So yeah, that's that's
kind of something I would key in on if you're
somewhere that just got to get in the tree without
the MRI.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So love it all right.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So in the next seven days, ten being the best
week of hunting of your entire life and one being yeah,
you'd be just fine if you don't go h that
would be one one to ten.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Where does the next seven days fall.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
For me or for everybody, or for you?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
For you and for Missouri. You're you're speaking for the
state of Missouri right now?
Speaker 6 (26:43):
I mean three maybe? Yeah, you know, I mean I did.
I did get into recurve a little bit. I got
a recurve a few months ago, and I've been jam
and arrows into the haybial with that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I might get a whild hair to go try and
spek a dough.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
But other than that, I'm kind of I'm kind of
laid back in the early season. You know, if something
shakes out to where I got some MRI, I got
to make sure that Jesus is worth the squeeze when
I leave the family, you know, with a four year
old and an eight year old to to Finn for
my wife fends for so well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Joe, Well, good luck, appreciate the insight, and uh, it's
gonna get better. So if so, hopefully someone doesn't get discouraged.
It's a long season and we're gonna get some cold fronts.
You know, everything's gonna happen the way it's supposed to do.
But you know, we're in the very first leg of
the race here.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I mean, yeah, I still got gear there, packing velvet,
so I mean, it's not you know, it's kind of
one of those things that where you know, hurry up
and wait and then go like hell when it gets
you right for you in your particular situation.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thank you so much, Joe. Good luck this season.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You bet you too, buddy.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Next up on the line, we have Mitch, and Mitch
is fresh off killing a giant in Wisconsin. How does
it feel, Mitch, You're kicking off the season with a
lot of intensity.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
It feels pretty incredible and not gonna lie like getting
her done on eighty three degree weather is almost unheard
of without a cold front or anything that early. But
got lucky that he was still sticking to that summer pattern.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Kind of and got after him.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I love it, so give us set the stage for us.
So it was eighty eighty some degrees and he was
sticking to a summer pattern. Where was he going to?
How far do you think he was coming out of
a bedding area? And I'd love to hear those those details.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
So actually the night before I was filming a wedding
that Saturday of opening day, and he came through on
daylight about an hour before like last legal shooting light.
So I'm sitting I'm like, oh man, he's still moving
an eighty three degree weather. So that's it's good to know.
I will get up there and maybe try to hunt him.
So the next day we had a birthday party and
I was trying to get my dad to go all day.
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I was like, Dad, I think they should go after him.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
He's like, yeah, maybe we'll go.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
And then after a while it kind of got hotter
and hotter out He's like, you can go out if
I want to go.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I'm like, well, I'm gonna go after him. He's like
all right, well, good luck, and we went up.
Speaker 7 (29:05):
The spot is actually where I've killed my last couple
of bucks. It's up on top of a ridge. This
is in Buffalo County, so the infamous bluffs and everything
around is pretty much right on the top of one
of those. Got a water hole up there, and we
have probably about a half acre food plot, and actually
a tree just went down in that food plot. We
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had a big storm like a month ago or so
and a huge oak tree fell over. So we had
a gate up there and reconstruct that whole food plot.
I think it was like August twenty second or something
like that. So we went in there and planted a
bunch of rye and clover and got it coming up
pretty well, and he was on it almost immediately and
got pretty excited right after that because at Young Rye
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they love that this time heere, especially when I mean
the opening week and there's a bunch not only that
acorn or oak tree, there's a bunch of other oak
trees around. And that night when I was sitting out there,
there was six Sols probably fifteen yards away from me,
just launching on acorns. So I'm sure that had quite
a bit of a draw as well, because I could
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hear him the whole night when I was sitting there,
just falling and hitting my blind.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
The whole night.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
It was pretty pretty comical just hearing them just continue
to hit the blind too.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Man, so it was raining acorns, you had fresh, tender
new growth. How far do you think that buck went
from when he got up out of his bed that
evening if you had a.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
Guess, Well, there's a huge cornfield on the neighbors to
the south there, and I'm almost positive he came from
out of there, And I wouldn't say if he was
betting in there somewhere. I don't think he traveled less
than one hundred yards. He just better than that cornfield.
And I kind of rolled the dice. Normally we have
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a pond setup that we normally sit like early season
or whatever, but seutheast wind is.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Almost dead wrong for that spot.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
So because of winds blowing right to that pond, and
normally they like to come out on that point more.
But I from the pictures the night before, it looked
like he was coming from the corn the other way
instead of that point. So I'm like, well, by go
and sit in this blind instead of down by that
water hole. I'll have a good shot at maybe seeing him,
and the wind would be perfect for that.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And ended up getting lucky and.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Came out and then within the daylight and had a
quite the hassle getting drawn back in that blind. I
had to draw back three different times before I shot him.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But what was going on?
Speaker 7 (31:30):
Well, I was in this blind, It's well, this is
pretty much my gun stand that I only sit in,
and we have a tree stand probably fifteen yards away
from it.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But it's hard to sell film out of. So I
was like, I don't know if on a roll.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
The dice go up there and it's a little bit
more self and the wind would have been a little
bit more wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So I was like, I got a chance it out
of that blind.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
And as soon as I got in that blind that night,
I wanted to practice drawn back and everything. But twenty minutes,
probably after I got in, a dough in a fawn
came to that food lot and didn't give me a
chance to mess around with anything or draw back, and
that kind of screwed me over. But man, I got
lucky that I was able to finally draw back and
release an arrow at him.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
No, that's that is amazing what you've had success early.
So for someone listening, you know, let's just say for
the last eight days of September. So you know, picture
the last eight days of September, last nine days of September.
What's one thing that you think would be very important
for people to key in on hopefully have a you know,
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similar success to yourself.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, definitely, Uh, this time of year, a lot of
times those Braskas are holding so much moistury yet in
those leaves, and they don't really need to go to
the ponds to get all that water, but because they
can just get it right from the Braska leaves. And
actually Friday night he was out daylight and a whole
different food plot munched in front of a big old
Braskt plot that we had. So I'd say definitely keying
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on those Braskas especially. I think there's a cold front
i'ment through here in the next couple of days, so
I'm sure they'll be moving pretty well there. And definitely
the acorns were a drawing card on Sunday night when
I killed my buck too.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
How risky did the hunt feel based off of access?
Were you were you nervous about going in there or
did you feel that was a pretty bowlproof setup?
Speaker 7 (33:18):
I thought, I mean I was a little nervous because
of where he was coming from the corn I kind
of got to well, I literally got to drive our
ranger all the way up that bluff and come around
from the opposite side. We park up kind of on
this hillside and walk in that way. But I knew
it's kind of hidden from the top of the cornfield.
It's probably like thirty forty feet down below, so you
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can't really see the ranger if they're betting in that
corn there. And I had multiple different times.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
We'd be out working this year.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
We made a new pond for him and put in
a blind, and he seemed to not care at all.
He came out a couple hours after we were all
messing around and digging in a new water hole. So
I think he got pretty used to the ranger over
time because he just still come up and daylight and
ACKed like nothing was new. But uh, yeah, I think
it was kind of risky, but I figured I had
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to give it a chance because the night before he
was out there broad daylight.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, so you know, conventional wisdom would say, man, it's
eighty some degrees, don't even bother. But you went out
there and made it happen. You had really good intel
that you had. You had a really real chance and
you made it happen. How have you measured the inside
with it that deer yet?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I did?
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Actually I took it over to a good friend of mine,
Shane Innerbow. He does a lot of antler stuff with
sheds and scores a lot of deer, and he I
think he got it at twenty five and seven.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
A's Oh my god, yeah, pretty unreal. I called him.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
I had nicknamed him the two footer last year when
I first got pictures of him, I'm like, holy crap,
that's got to be the widest deer I've ever had
on camera. And I guess I was underplane how wide
he was. It was pretty awesome getting that tape on him.
After we got them all tracked down and got them
out of the woods. That's the first thing we were
We got to get a tape on him. See how
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why this guy is?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Unreal?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
H No, totally totally unreal. Uh congratulations. If you had
to skit, you know, give a scale one to ten
on what the last eight days of September may look like,
ten being to kill a deer's widest two feet wider
than two feet wide, and one being it's gonna be
really tough. Where would you rank that one to ten.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
September?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I mean, they're still kind of in their summer patterns
before they start breaking up, and normally around this time
here we get new bucks that are showing up from
I don't know, a mile a mile and a half away,
kind of getting out of their summer ranges. But it
seems like there's another drawing card that I was on.
I put a mock straight uh rub and got a
couple oak branches hanging off there too, And he was
(35:54):
coming e b lined right for that scrape tree too,
and I kind of noticed some trail camera pictures that
he was certain his dominance. Whenever he'd come up to
the plot, you get all a little bristled up and
show off the other younger bucks what he's made of.
And yeah, he game be lined right for that scrape
tree too. So those scrapes are starting to.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Heat up now too, now that all the belt's.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Gone, and I don't know, that's one thing that I
know everybody's starting the key and on more is those scrapes,
because they're not only good for pictures and hunting over,
but they're just yeah, they're a game changer.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So one to ten. You got to give us a number.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
If you get a cold good cold front in late October,
late September, I give it's high up or I give
it a probably a eight or nine.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I really liked late September.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Awesome, man.
Speaker 7 (36:42):
Well, I hadragulations. I had another buck that I shot
a couple of years ago. I probably had one of
my best hunts ever and that was on September twenty
second in a clover field on a cold front and
probably saw fifteen to twenty deer that night, including that
giant buff.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Never got a shot at him that night, but it
was awesome night.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Oh that's that's super cool. Well, those great advice. Congratulations
once again, and yeah, just an incredible deer. And I
encourage everyone to go check out that they have to
see this deer to believe it, because when I saw it,
I said, I got to talk to Mitch and congratulating.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
So thank you so much and good luck the rest
of the year.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Appreciate it, Jake, thank you here.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
You guys have it. Welcome back to retfresh.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
We had some common advice of if you have a
buck that is doing the same thing, you can take
advantage of it. Go out and do it even if
the conditions aren't perfect. Mitch is the example of this
and I hope you guys have a great week and
if you're waiting on the sideline for October First, your
time is coming. Stay strong, keep scouting, and get ready
(37:46):
to enjoy a fun and exciting fall. We will see
you next week on Retfresh.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
See you
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