December 17, 2025 • 38 mins
This week on Rut Fresh, we’re ranging the country with hunters who are developing new game plans as weather begins to shift from nasty cold to more mild winter temperatures. Tyler Jones of The Element kicks things off with a big picture look at what sustained cold and hunting pressure are doing to mature buck movement and why this time of year still holds real opportunity if you stay disciplined especially in Texas. David Powell checks in from Kansas and West Virginia, breaking down how he plans to use historical data and a oak flat to connect with his target buck! Wrapping things up, Beau Martonik of the East Meets West Podcast shares an Eastern perspective on grinding through snow, wind, and post gun season pressured deer can be challenge.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What is going on? Welcome back to Refresh. I'm Jake Hoofer.
In this week. We have a great episode as we
are inching in on the end of December, and we
have some great intel and information for anyone that stills
tagging the pocket or wants to know what's going on
across the country. As you know, rough Fresh is brought
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estate marketplace to find your perfect rural recreational I have
(00:25):
cultural hunting properties here in the US. It's been cold,
it's been frigid. We've had a really really strong winter
up to this point. Looks like there's going to be
some warmer temperatures here throughout this week. And what does
that mean to you? What can you do? We're gonna
have a variety of different guests here. We're going to
kick things off with Tyler Jones, who's in Texas and
(00:48):
hunts all over, but today he's in Texas. Here we go,
all right, first up on the line, guy that travels
a bunch, and so I'm just gonna ask Tyler, where
in the world are you right now?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm in Texas right now, been in Arkansas recently, so
most of our time has been spent in the South
the last week or two, maybe maybe two weeks, three weeks,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Time flies, Yeah, I mean the for deer hunters, the
world kind of resolves revolves around the Midwest. At least
that's just me because I live here and so the South.
You guys are down there right now, you're headed to
go check out a property. What have you been hearing
and seeing in terms of rud activity, because I know
it's getting more exciting there and more food centric here.
(01:39):
So you guys are getting to see what deer're supposed
to do and all the exciting things. Have you been
noticing that or seeing anything like that on camera?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I mean, so, you know, the Texas is a huge state,
so and super geographically diverse. Habitat is you know, crazy
different from the coast to the Transpagas region, to the
brush country of South Texas to the Panhandle which is
the Great Plains, to the you know, Black Lamp Prairie,
which is kind of where I live, all the way
(02:09):
into the piney Woods, which is like what you're see
in the South. So there's so many different things going on.
There's a ton of different ruts. The South is full
of different ruts all the way through out to Florida,
you know, and where I have been recently, what we're
seeing mostly our.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Mid November rut dates, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So we're starting to get to where deer getting back
onto food sources pretty heavy, probably much like what you're seeing.
In fact, I've one of our camera guys, Greg, he
said that he's had in the last like two days,
he's had like three shooter Bucks show up, one that
he hasn't seen since last year on feeders. So you know,
they're getting back into you know, trying to gain a
(02:52):
little bit of that that fat reserve back I guess
from the rut.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah. Yeah, So they're they're licking their jog here looking
you know, at this time of the year, and people
are still at it and they're not completely burnt out.
Because I think if you did a if you did
a survey family feud style of you know, are you
burnt out? Ninety nine five one hundred people said they're
burnt out and they're looking their own chops from deer season.
(03:19):
Where are you at in terms of motivation and excitement
as we close out the year of twenty twenty five,
I know season's going to twenty six here. But where
are you at in terms of excitement or being a
little rundown.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
That's a really good question. I would say if you
asked me two days ago, I was a little rundown.
I slept pretty good last night, and so I'm like,
it's been four days since I've really hunted, which I
haven't had a four day stretch probably since September sometime.
So I mean, really I'm kind of itching to get
(03:52):
back out and do some hunting for sure. I actually
three or four days ago put out a feeder on
different property to get my son, you know, some action
out in the woods.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And so I'm actually pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I would say there's a lot of people, you know,
I have a mutual friend out in Alabama that you know,
their their ruts are just I mean, this is like,
this is the exciting time of year for them. Their
ruts are gonna kick off in January, right, So, like
in the same way we've got in like I was
talking about earlier, the brush country South Texas, it's it's
starting to cook down there. I mean, the rut is
picking up. If you are blessed enough to have access
(04:31):
to brush country property like now as the Super Bowl
from now till through Christmas, you know, is really just good,
good stuff. And the thing about the South is that
we have huge shoulders on our ruts because the there's
not really a need for those to breed in a
certain tight window based off of like cold weather or whatever.
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The funds don't necessarily have to be born in a
tight window because of weather, so the same way, the
rut can be spread out a little bit more and
so it makes for like a less intense rut, but
it also makes for a potential that any day you
go out right now you can see rut in action.
(05:13):
And in fact, even at home where we have a
mid November you know, I'd say November fourteen or so,
it's been like just the best the best day on
trail camera at home for us. We've seen a buck
that was just dog and doze in late February on
trail camera even at home. So you know, it can
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happen at any time, and especially with those windows, you
have these fawns that are born later than normal, which
then they come in to heat in December or January
sometimes and so you know, it can kick the whole
thing back off on any random day. So I guess
I would say it's pretty exciting still to be hunting
in the rut. It's a lot different than the traditional
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Midwest white tail where Bill Winki was saying after November
said you might as well hang it up.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
You know, he wasn't really saying that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But it's you know, you could tell there was an
urgency prior to that date, you know. So it's a
little different, and it's exciting. I'm excited. And we still,
you know, me and k C at the Element, we've
got quite a bit of hunting left to do. In fact,
we're you know, post Christmas, We've got several things lined
up and we've been booking all this Airbnbs.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And everything, you know, and we're we're excited to go
back out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So with the with the plan here post Christmas, and
you know, people can maybe move those dates around a
little bit, maybe they have time during Christmas time. What
is kind of your guys' punch list or strategy, so
hopefully you know, connect with connect with the buck here
in the South.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, I i'd say if you're if you're coming up
into a rut, I'm probably not supposed to say this,
but there's a there's a version of a can call
that actually we used to laugh about a lot, and
I've seen work really well in the South the last
few years.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That can call can work, uh for guys that are
coming into their ruts, coming up when you get into
the heart of the rut. It's crazy how effective that thing.
I've seen it be at times. I like that a lot,
especially a lot of guys they see it may be
from them, it may be from any yeah, yeah, like yeah,
(07:21):
that's the sound. It sounds a lot like a like
a pink or a woodcock, you know. But those like
I like that, especially for guys because a lot of
times people in your neck of the woods they make
these big, huge buck roars and these giant grunts that
sound like, you know, the deepest burp a human can make,
you know, And it's like, well, a Southern deer, it
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weighs one hundred and sixty pounds, might not actually sound
like that, right, So these guys see it on TV.
They go to you know, just making these huge deep
roars and stuff. It's like, ah, that's there's not as
many deer in the South sounding like that, you know,
So if you're using that that can call. It's got
it's a little more realistic than what a guy might
have seen on TV. And you can't change the pitch
(08:04):
or anything like that to to sound like, you know,
Michael Waddell or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I think that's a that's a good thing for
the rut now if you're if you're on the back
end of the rut here, I think, uh, wheat, wheat
is just hard to beat right now. Corn feeders obviously,
if you're in a state that allows that, which a
lot of the South does. Uh, the deer going to
be carving up, you know, post rut, I think. And
so we're seeing a lot of deer come back to
(08:30):
feeders right now. And I just I still think, uh,
like we were talking about a piece of public in
our home state. I was talking about it with Greg
yesterday and I was like, Man, if there's wheat there.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This, this would be a good spot.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And so in other words, we're looking at deer that
we're trying to pattern to deer moving and you want
to be closer to their.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Betting at this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think, then you do that food source unless you
really get a cold blast, which we just I think
it's a lot nina year, so we haven't had much
cold weather at all.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Real quick with the with the can call, are you
every twenty minutes flipping that thing over or every hour
or what you see a deer and you flip it
over to see how it reacts? Kind of what what
is the calling sequence for that?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, we hunt a lot and so you know, for.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You, you're pretty good strategist when it comes to like
having a target buck and a private property, and sometimes
we have some of that, and sometimes we end up
just you know, we're in this state for a week,
so let's hunt and find a hear and be aggressive.
So like for me, I would say, it didn't necessarily
work for everybody, but we're pretty aggressive.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I would call like I would.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, I'd call every fifteen minutes during the rut like
I would. I mean, if you're going to rattle same
thing like in the South, you may not make, you know,
your rattling sequence sound like two one sixties fight, and
you may make it sound a little thinner horned or whatever.
You may be a little less aggressive personally, like using
especially on still days. It will get this time of
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year in the evenings when we have south winds or
east winds. I like sounding like two little dinkers that
are just messing around. And if you've ever watched it,
or you've never watched it, you should try to find
a YouTube clip of a couple of one to two
year olds just kind of not really fighting, but sparring.
And I think that that carries through the woods and
doing that every fifteen minutes or whatever for one or
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two minutes, it's a good idea. I think it's a
good idea. Same with the can call doing it often.
But I do think, yeah, testing it on bucks, even
if it's not a target buck, as long as you
don't want to blow you know, you got to be
careful not to call a one year old over and
then he blows the entire woods out. You know, once
he once, he wins you. So that's the one, the
(10:46):
one thing you got to watch for there. But yeah,
I mean seeing it how they react. But I mean
I can tell you in the South that that can
call works pretty good when the rut's pretty high.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, I really do like it, I really do.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I You're right, it does seem like those things get
made fun of. But if they work. Nothing funny about that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh, we've laughed our heads off and talked about it
for years.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And then you know, we did the buck Truck series
for me Eater in twenty twenty two and if you
can go watch in the Arkansas episode, I can't call
two bucks, and I mean one of them comes to
I think thirty seven or something like that and the
other one is like fifty five.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But I mean it worked really well.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's on public land, you know, that's where they
hear calling every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, but they probably don't hear that because everyone they
say to do something works, I know. Maybe that's why
that does the trick.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, you go, you know, go go to the trends
that were popular in the nineties and or early two thousands,
and people aren't using anymore and they probably stand a
chance of working and nobody else is using them, right.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, well, no, that's exciting, so real quick. The seventeenth
to Christmas Eve scale one to ten in your neck
of the woods, ten being the best, one being one
of the worst weeks of the year. Where are you
gonna put.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It in my neck of the woods, I'd say.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Man, I'm not gonna give it the Midwest six.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
What's called a seven if you have food? I think
it's a seven. Okay, Yeah, I think there's like I
think that you're going to be coming back to feeders.
They're gonna be on wheat fields. If we can get weather,
which I hadn't looked at the weather. I know we
have some kind of stable weather the first part of
this week. But if we can get a little bit
of weather, I think that it's a really good time
(12:39):
to find a big buck, maybe checking for the last doze,
but knowing that the food source is there to really
kind of be the destination.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I like it. Well, Tyler, if people want to fall
along with your guys the season and all the hunts
that you guys have done literally across it feels like
the entire country, and that probably is a pretty fair
word to say say it. Where can they go watch
all those?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you allow me to do this,
but uh, the Element Hunting is a good search on
YouTube and you'll you'll find our channel.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
If you search the Element you might find a skateboard brand.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So Putting Hunting in there is a pretty good idea
and you can just yeah, you can follow along with
what we've been doing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We're, uh, we're putting out videos.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know, the rut November is pretty tough for us
to get videos out sometimes, so but we're back to
putting out videos pretty regularly right now.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And uh, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Just travel all over and hunt stuff and you know,
sometimes we shoot them, sometimes we don't. But you can
follow us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Too.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Awesome. Thank you so much, Tyler. Good luck the rest
of the year, and I hope you and your family
have an awesome Christmas.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Thanks you too, Jake.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
All right, next up, I have my good friend David Powell.
David a lot of places. He's been spending a lot
of time in Kansas. How's it going going well, Jake?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
How about yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's going great, It's it's going great. It's actually snowing
right here in Illinois right now. We're supposed to get
more snow and more cold weather. So as a deer
hunter this time of year, that's that's okay with me.
What's been going on here? I know you're traveling here
a little bit for the holidays, but how has the
hunting been specifically in Kansas here recently?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You know big bucks have still been hitting the ground.
Rifle season just closed down a week or so ago.
I have noticed that it seems like the bucks are
getting back to food sources to try to replennge some
of that that body weight was lost maybe during the
chasing phase. So I'm concentrating my efforts on and around
food sources. I think that you know I've been chasing
(14:51):
a big deer. I confided in you earlier in the
season that there's a big deer while out that's chase
still continues. Oh, but I wasn't able to catch up
with him early in year, like I hope. Typically he
makes a journey an excursion to the south right I
don't have access, but usually about this time he comes
back home. As a matter of fact, in twenty twenty three,
(15:13):
I encountered that deer on the twenty second of December,
bumped him from out of a travel corridor.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And I remembered that.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And then a few days later I was in the
tree and he came down that travel corridor again on
his way to food. Unfortunately, I was managed to miss
that dear at seventeen yards. But the good news is
he's survived and this year he's you know, two years later,
he's even more significant than he was that year.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Wow. And so you mentioned a really interesting thing there.
You were hunting a travel corridor to food. I feel
like a lot of times people want to hunt over food.
With that said, obviously there's added benefits there, potentially easier
to get out of there. Do you want to talk
a little bit about the strategy now that you have,
you know, a couple of years of history at an encounter,
(16:00):
you know, within within the danger zone. Is that still
top of mind as we you know, are looking deeper
into December, you know that. Do you think history will
repeat itself in that same pinch?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I'm certainly hoping so. So I mentioned to you that
the deer takes an excursion. I left Kansas yesterday, flew
to central Ohio and back in the east for some
some holiday uh get together with the.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Family and others. But as I was leaving, I did get.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Some photo overnight and I had hung a new camera
uh in in that same corridor. I hung that camera
the first series of pictures I got. After I left,
I realized that it needed to be lowered just a bit.
But the deer is a very distinctive fork on the
left side of his on the left side of his rack.
And uh, yesterday morning as I was head of the airport,
(16:48):
I got a photo of that distinctive left fork.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I'm sure it's him. He's returned.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
History is hopefully you know, he's back in his traditional
winter area. And my hope is that whenever I get back,
I'll be able to get back in that travel corridor
and maybe catch up with it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That that's spot where he had an opportunity in the past.
How far off of the food source was that it
is one hundred yards two hundred yards seventy yards.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm about two two hundred to two hundred and fifty
yards off the main food source. The food source I'll
describe for you is an oakmont. It's about it's about
twenty two acres of pinoaks at the end of about.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The travel corridor is about one point three miles.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Betting area is all along that travel corridor, but oftentimes
throughout the year it's it's towards the lower end of that.
So they're coming somewhere from anywhere from a quarter mile
to nearly a mile away.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And I because that because that Oakmont is so large.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know, twenty two acres isn't overly large, but it's
it's big when you're trying.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
To bet an narrow and a deer.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
And so I'd rather focus on I'd rather focus on
his travel to that area as to which specific tree
I need to be in within that twenty two acres
And that's that's that worked out well for me previous
sleep and let's hope that that can happen again this year.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, So you know, I think a lot of people
here are wondering and trying to strategize when is the
time to go and apply pressure, right Like these deer
have been pressured, you know, in some areas pretty heavily
throughout the year. Knowing windows of opportunity are frankly closing
for this season. When you're going to be looking here
(18:24):
in the next week when you when you get back
to Kansas to do a little bit more hunting, are
you watching the weather most specifically or or is the
wind more important for the deer to travel with the
wind you know, poor into or in favor to like
what's kind of the plan? Like, Okay, I'm going to
go in there and I'm going to try and I hope,
I hope it comes together, Like what's the hierarchy of
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decisions there?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The window was closing, as you said, And I don't
want to throw I don't want to throw time in there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
That would be detrimental to future efforts.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But at the same time, there's only so many days
left in the season, so wind is going to be
a factor. It's not going to be determining factor if
I hunt that day. It's going to be the determining
factor on which side of that travel corridor I.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Happen to be on it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Also, weather, I'd love to have cold weather, so he
gets on his feet early and wants to get in.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
There and and and begin to.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Feed before before it gets too late, or maybe even
feed throughout the day. But if if we've got eighty
degree depatures, I hope that's not the case. But because
I've got just a few days left, I will be
in there.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Somch what just jumping around here a little bit. So
obviously you grew up in West Virginia. Is that you
grew up there, right? So I want you to I
want you to jump back to someone that's listening in
West Virginia. They still have a tag in their pocket?
(19:45):
What was your what was your back of tricks for
this time a year in West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So I've got a good friend who's kind of in
a similar situation. He's been chasing a deer all year
long back in West Virginia. It's a very significant deer.
This guy is a big buck killer. Uh at to Jamie.
But he is a big buck killer and he knows
what he's doing. This deer has been given him the slip.
I think that he is, like, like I am planning
(20:10):
to do, is going to start concentrating more on the
food sources out of the areas where he has been
trying to catch up with the deer chasing chasing does
and I would encourage him to put the time in
whenever he has opportunity to be in the stand. Make
sure he's cognizant of the wind, but don't let him
keep him from hunting. But really focus on those food sources,
(20:31):
and if you're able to narrow down how they're accessing
those food sources, particularly on days where that might not
be ideal and they might not be wanting to get
up until right at dark, I encourage Jamie to move
off that food source down down the travel way a
bit so that he can intercept them before shooting black expires.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It is often a little fascinating if you're in a
spot where you can see the deer travel. They can
cover three, four or five hundred yards pretty quickly when
it's cold, and you know, you see him like you're
watching the clock. Oh man, we only have fifteen twenty
more minutes. And you look back up and they're like, oh,
they're half the distance. You look back up again. Now
they're they're getting in within a striking zone. So I
feel that depending on setups and cover and everything else
(21:13):
in between there, But I wouldn't like, personally, I wouldn't
feel terrible if it's like, Okay, I think he's six
seven hundred yards away, betted here, the weather's right, pretty
darn good chance. If you have to correct food source,
he'll be there. Would you say that's a fair way
to describe it, because I'm I'm picturing your Kansas set
up there miles kind of far. But they can cover
that pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, especially if the weather has them on their feet.
You know, cold, cold temperatures will be in our favor.
I believe my hope is that it plays out that way,
even if we can get a little skiff of snow
on the ground where you've got to come up there
and begin to pall at the ground and look for
those acres.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
But we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
But I think that that mile, you know, not only
that the deer that I'm interested in, but every deer
around the area is going to be focusing on food
and they're going to be trying to their way to
that oakmoth that I talked about.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
MM, is that pretty much the main food source for
that you know general area?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Like is there like a winter wee field that obviously
there's feeders in Kansas? Like how much is that detrimental
to you know, your particular setup.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
So we've got we've got some ag in the area,
but cornfield has been picked, Beanfield has been picked. They
do get in there at night and scavenge some of
the some of the drop that's that's left in the field,
but by and large, they seem to be the particular
agfields I'm thinking of are somewhat exposed, and I think
they're very hesitant to be out there during daylight hours.
(22:40):
There the oak moth that I'm talking about is very secluded.
It gets virtually no pressure other than the pressure that
I might put on it. And uh, it seems to
be an open smortas board form throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Wonderful, wonderful. So looking here ahead of a head of schedule,
you know, the holidays, uh sometimes gives people a little
bit opportunity to maybe sneak out hunt. You know, the
seventeenth to Christmas Eve known the weather, known the conditions,
time of year on a scale one to ten, ten
being the very best week of the year, one being
one of the worst weeks of the year. Where do
(23:12):
you throw the next seven days at?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
You know, if we get the right weather, I'm going
to say it should be seven to eight. I feel
that good about it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, that's great. So do you think you'll be in
that tree on the twenty second?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I anticipate being in that tree, maybe the twenty second
through the end of the year, if necessary, in and
around that tree. I don't want to overhook one spot,
but yes, I and to the point that even though
I I'm primarily a saddle hundred these days, my platform
is hanging in that tree right now. My saddle platform
is hanging in that tree right now with anticipation when
(23:47):
I get back, I'll be in there.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Here's this side tangic question, how many saddle platforms do
you have? Because I wonder that's I like, I talked
to a lot of guys obviously, and it's like, I
no quite a few that have like two or three
saddle platforms to where they can kind of rotate. Is
that do you fall in that category?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I have four. I have three that I use primarily.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I've got one that is a it's carbon fiber, the
large stand that Tether makes in carbon fiber, and that's
the one I leave in the tree if I know
that it's going to be a place and I'm going
to revisit. But I really prefer they're small carbon fiber predator.
I carry that with me pretty pretty religiously. And then
I've got a I've got the old car, the old predator,
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the metal version that when I need something extra, I
can fall back on it. But I'm typically packing that
small carbon fiber predator. I've got one stick that that
is available to me, but I don't use all that often.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, it's it's funny just the transition of saddle hunting.
It's like it's almost somewhat reverting back to to having
like obviously multiple multiple spots. But I think having multiple
platforms makes total and perfect sense instead of having to
fully tear up and tear down every single time, especially
spot you plan and returning.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
One of the things I've been doing is, and I
kind of got this from from Eberhart.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I know that he preps trees in advance.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
So one of the things I've been doing I bought
a big spool of pair cord and throughout the season,
early in the season especially, but throughout the season, if
it's a spot I want to return back to, I'm
putting a pair of cord loop in that tree over
over a branch ahead, over a branch up ahead, and
I will get there that morning time.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I tether too that.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
I use a full length repair repel rope and I
do this, pull it up and over loop it in there,
and I can get back up that tree very quietly
without having to get in there and cut limbs and
make a path through the through the understory to get
up to the canopy.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
It works out very very well for me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Well, David, I hope you have
a great holiday, a great uh travel here, and I hope,
like heck, you get to seal you get to seal
the final chatter in the story. I'm really rooting for you.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Thank you, Jake, I appreciate that. Merry Christmas to you
and your listeners. Before we run, are you have you
had some success this year? Tell me about the one
that I know that you've been chasing.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, so the one of it chasing he he's still alive, which, honestly,
now at this point of the season, I'm hopeful that
he Honestly, it's kind of sick. You were trying to,
like heck to kill him and now you're like, well,
maybe maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing on earth
if he lives another year. And then I actually shot
a buck last weekend during our firearm season, a mature
buck that I was hoping to kill. I basically built
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my season into two different legs. Leg one is one
of two bucks till the end of Thanksgiving. Week of Thanksgiving,
if I'm unsuccessful, I'm going mature buck hunting, And frankly,
that was a lot easier than trying to kill just
darn one deer. So it's been good.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You mentioned that it wouldn't disappoint you if that deer
makes it through. That kind of coincides with something that
hurt Don. You can say earlier this week on the
white Tail Masterclass.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That I heard, Yeah, yeah, they make it this far.
It's like, well, gosh, maybe they'll make it the rest
of the way. And it is. It's always fluid, and
you can't be married to an idea. But now it's
been a really fun and exciting season and I hope
I get a text message enter around the twenty second
that they connect with that deer.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Thank you, Jake, I really appreciate once again married Christmas.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
On all right. Next up on the line, we have
Bo Martonic with eats East meets West.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
How's it going good, Jake, It's good to catch up
with you man.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, We're we're getting deeper and deeper into December,
and for people to have a tag in their pocket,
they're probably getting more and more nervous. But we've had
some good conditions. Pennsylvania's closed for the next seven days,
so I know you still have a tag in West Virginia,
but as you know, overall, I know you were just
in Ohio. What have you been seeing as far as
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deer activity, you know, through cameras, observation, friends, buddies, kind
of across the board.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Man, it's been. It's actually been pretty dang good across
the board. The weather has been. I mean, we have
a pretty early winner as when you look at the
average over the last you know, five six years. Last
year we have some snow, but this year is like
snow all of December here, cold weather. Right now it's
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six degrees at my house, so it's like it's pretty
pretty cold weather. And been seeing the deer putting on
the feedbags a little bit more and moving even after
gun season here in Pennsylvania, just closing still seeing deer
on their feet in daylight camera activity for the most part.
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I haven't been out here, but yeah, it's been. It's
been pretty good as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And so for someone that's hunting, you know, more eastern easterly, yeah,
you know, very little ag just for just for a
dummy like me. What is the primary food source in
your neck of the woods for this time of year?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Snow on the ground, So honestly, acorns are are probably
top of that where that could get a little bit
more difficult here coming probably in the in the coming weeks,
is we have a little bit of a thaw coming
up towards the end of this week, and then it's
gonna get cold again, so you start getting that freezing layer,
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it's harder to dig down for the deer to get
to those acorns. So my personal opinion, if I were
to be hunting this week, I'd be wanting an area
that did have acorns still, but also a ton of brows,
you know, green brier, BlackBerry briers, things like that that
they're nipping on and being able to to you to
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browse on in the area where there's acorns. In addition,
places that have spring seats stuff like that that might
stay thought a little bit longer as far as they're
not going to completely freeze up and they can still
dig some of those, you know, the acorns and food
that's on the ground.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
And so if you had a rank your favorite acorn
for this time of year, do you have one or
is it just a matter of finding acorns?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
They're eating whatever's there, honestly, but it seems like red
oak and chestnut oak seemed to be the ones that
are left on the ground.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I know you recently shot a deer in Ohio
with snow on the ground. How did that come together?
It's non you know out of state hunt. Was that
a new area area you've hunted in the past, and
how did it all come together?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
So I'd hunted the area in October for like two
days during bo season, went back to that area. I
had three days to hunt with a gun and didn't
the area I was in, the acorns were kind of
scooped up already. I'd sat all day the first day
gun season. I don't like walking around and bumping deer
to other people. So I sat all day nothing and
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went back the next morning after some snow, and then
I realized, I was like, there's.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
The acorns are gone.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
I kind of went in blind and just set up
based on what I saw in October. And so I
moved to a completely new area that I hadn't been
before and started finding a ton of acorns. And really,
to make a long story short with it, what it
came down to is there was digging everywhere. There's a
lot of acorns on these ridges, and I just kept
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kind of pushing to where it was starting to get thicker.
And I think the thing is that makes it difficult,
especially when you going out to state hunt this time
of year is like when you see snow is such
a great teacher. You can learn so much by seeing
where they're feeding at, seeing the tracks, seeing the beds,
where you can almost get over excited because you'll see
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beds all over in the oak trees and where they're
feeding at, but it's likely nighttime activity. So and figuring
out what that area looks like for quote unquote thickness
is also very different. There's some areas that you can
go that's very thick everyone, and that's different than an
area that's just mature timber. And then all of a
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sudden you get a green brier patch and some vines
and some other blowdowns that start to create better security
habitat as well as brows around that. So where I
ended up catching up with this buck was I got
into this big bowl system.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
So there's a.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
Couple of finger ridges that ran off a main ridge
in a bowl that had a bunch of like kind
of spring seeps running through it and created some more vegetation.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
So there was a ton of green brier in there.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
There was some oak trees acorns that were kind of
like funneling down because of the way the terrain that
acorns had rolled down into some of those little gullies
and created like a concentrated spot for it. And up
above was just a nasty thicket that was on top
of the ridge. And when i'd snuck in there that
day it was about one o'clock, I'd seen three different
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bucks bedded down actually in the center of that bowl,
on this little tiny bump or high spot of greenbrier,
and they were actually fighting and doing stuff middle of
the day, just you know, a couple of younger bucks
in one. It was a pretty decent one that I
took a lot of self control for me not to
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pull the trigger on, and I just ended up still hunting.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
My way through there.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Came back and I went out, and I thought I'd
kind of blown up the area. And this is a
lesson that I think is something I've learned before and
I had to relearn on this hunt. Was I was
going through there, and when you get into a bowl,
wind swirl, and so I've got wind going up to
where I think the rest of the deer might be bedded.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I've got it going down I'm like, all right, I
blew out that area.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
So I went back out to the point of the
ridge and sat for the evening. And I was sitting
there and I'm just like, there's not a deer coming
in here. You know, you just get that feeling of
like you're just sitting here just to sit here. And
I was like, I need to go back to that bowl.
And I'm like, I knew I already kind of blew
it up two and a half three hours before that.
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But I mean, they're always getting wind of things that
are danger It doesn't mean they're.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Gonna run or not do anything.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
I haven't been there in a while, so I snuck
back in there before last night, and uh, the biggest
year that I had seen in the area came out
of that thicket and walked into fifty yards for me,
where I shot them with the with the muzzloader.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But yeah, there's a lot of a lot of good
lessons in there. You find the spot in the spot,
I guess, you know, yeah, no, that's really.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
It's right, And I was.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
It was the last day I had to hunt, so
I was like kind of trying to push the envelope
a little bit and be a little more aggressive with
it instead of just you know, sitting there all day.
But that would have been the right move once I
saw those bucks in there, like all right, I found
the concentration of the year where they feel good.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Maybe I should just sit here the rest of the day.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
But the whole the whole point, and you know, even
telling that story is I think when it comes to
late season, something that I've been hunting of the last
four or five years is and when you're in big Timber,
not a lot of ads finding that food, but also
that security and browse cover that's all in that one spot.
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Being able to decipher the sign between nighttime and daytime,
and especially when you don't have cameras to run or
you're not using cameras in there, it's it's kind of
feeling it out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, And so you know, looking here for the next
seven days, you call it seventeenth to Christmas Eve. For
someone that is going to be able to hunt this
weekend or maybe they have, you know, the work schedule
a little bit is a little bit lighter over the
next seven days, what would you tell them to focus
on kind of no matter where they're at in the country.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Yeah, so personally, like it depends. I'm going to say
one thing, It depends a little bit. Honestly, No, it
doesn't depend. But I do like the fact that there
is a little bit of a warm up coming. It
seems like in late season when you have you know,
single degree temps depending on where you're at, Like for
us here, that's not typical this time of year, and
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you know, we usually have snow on the ground, maybe
a little colder.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
But really cold temps.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
It it almost seems like it not locks them down,
but they're conserving their energy a little bit more. But
once you get some warm up, you get some mid
thirties into that forty degree a little bit, it feels
like in some some ways out it feels like a
heat wave to it, and it almost seems like those
deer get up and are feeding more earlier moving around.
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So if that's happening in your area, definitely take advantage
of it. But I mean, food, you hear it all
the time when it comes to late season, doesn't matter
if you're an ad country where you're at, food is
definitely king in a lot of that spot. But definitely
don't overlook the cover aspect of it. And covers easier
to find now with the leaves being off the trees,
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it's a little more concentrated. So that's that's what I
would look at to find an area to go to.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, that's great now, scale one to ten, one being
one of the worst weeks of the year, ten being
one of the best weeks of the year over the
next seven days December seventeenth of the twenty fourth. Where
do you put it for you yourself? If you're going
to be able to get out and go to West Virginia.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Or something, Yeah, I am not going to be able to.
But how I would.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Put it is I'd probably give it a seven. I
would rank it higher, but in most of these states
here gun season had just closed, so that does add
a little bit more on the pressure aspect of it.
So yeah, I would put it at seven.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And if people want to tune into your podcast and
follow along for the remainder of the season, or maybe
they had a tough season and they want to learn more,
where should they go and listen to your podcast?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, you can find it a Spotify, Apple East Meats
West Hunt, or on YouTube just under my name Bomartnic.
You can find podcasting there and all the links to
everything that East meets us hun dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Awesome. We thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Bo Yeah, thanks Jake.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
There, you guys have it. I hope you have a
great week. I hope you guys have a great Christmas.
I hope you get all your Christmas shopping done and
get a chance to sneak out and either bear the
elements or enjoy a mini heatwave and hopefully connect with
the deer, or just get out there and ultimately enjoy it.
We will see you next week. See you
What is going on? Welcome back to Refresh. I'm Jake Hoofer.
In this week. We have a great episode as we
are inching in on the end of December, and we
have some great intel and information for anyone that stills
tagging the pocket or wants to know what's going on
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cultural hunting properties here in the US. It's been cold,
it's been frigid. We've had a really really strong winter
up to this point. Looks like there's going to be
some warmer temperatures here throughout this week. And what does
that mean to you? What can you do? We're gonna
have a variety of different guests here. We're going to
kick things off with Tyler Jones, who's in Texas and
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hunts all over, but today he's in Texas. Here we go,
all right, first up on the line, guy that travels
a bunch, and so I'm just gonna ask Tyler, where
in the world are you right now?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm in Texas right now, been in Arkansas recently, so
most of our time has been spent in the South
the last week or two, maybe maybe two weeks, three weeks,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Time flies, Yeah, I mean the for deer hunters, the
world kind of resolves revolves around the Midwest. At least
that's just me because I live here and so the South.
You guys are down there right now, you're headed to
go check out a property. What have you been hearing
and seeing in terms of rud activity, because I know
it's getting more exciting there and more food centric here.
(01:39):
So you guys are getting to see what deer're supposed
to do and all the exciting things. Have you been
noticing that or seeing anything like that on camera?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I mean, so, you know, the Texas is a huge state,
so and super geographically diverse. Habitat is you know, crazy
different from the coast to the Transpagas region, to the
brush country of South Texas to the Panhandle which is
the Great Plains, to the you know, Black Lamp Prairie,
which is kind of where I live, all the way
(02:09):
into the piney Woods, which is like what you're see
in the South. So there's so many different things going on.
There's a ton of different ruts. The South is full
of different ruts all the way through out to Florida,
you know, and where I have been recently, what we're
seeing mostly our.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Mid November rut dates, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So we're starting to get to where deer getting back
onto food sources pretty heavy, probably much like what you're seeing.
In fact, I've one of our camera guys, Greg, he
said that he's had in the last like two days,
he's had like three shooter Bucks show up, one that
he hasn't seen since last year on feeders. So you know,
they're getting back into you know, trying to gain a
(02:52):
little bit of that that fat reserve back I guess
from the rut.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah. Yeah, So they're they're licking their jog here looking
you know, at this time of the year, and people
are still at it and they're not completely burnt out.
Because I think if you did a if you did
a survey family feud style of you know, are you
burnt out? Ninety nine five one hundred people said they're
burnt out and they're looking their own chops from deer season.
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Where are you at in terms of motivation and excitement
as we close out the year of twenty twenty five,
I know season's going to twenty six here. But where
are you at in terms of excitement or being a
little rundown.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
That's a really good question. I would say if you
asked me two days ago, I was a little rundown.
I slept pretty good last night, and so I'm like,
it's been four days since I've really hunted, which I
haven't had a four day stretch probably since September sometime.
So I mean, really I'm kind of itching to get
(03:52):
back out and do some hunting for sure. I actually
three or four days ago put out a feeder on
different property to get my son, you know, some action
out in the woods.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And so I'm actually pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I would say there's a lot of people, you know,
I have a mutual friend out in Alabama that you know,
their their ruts are just I mean, this is like,
this is the exciting time of year for them. Their
ruts are gonna kick off in January, right, So, like
in the same way we've got in like I was
talking about earlier, the brush country South Texas, it's it's
starting to cook down there. I mean, the rut is
picking up. If you are blessed enough to have access
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to brush country property like now as the Super Bowl
from now till through Christmas, you know, is really just good,
good stuff. And the thing about the South is that
we have huge shoulders on our ruts because the there's
not really a need for those to breed in a
certain tight window based off of like cold weather or whatever.
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The funds don't necessarily have to be born in a
tight window because of weather, so the same way, the
rut can be spread out a little bit more and
so it makes for like a less intense rut, but
it also makes for a potential that any day you
go out right now you can see rut in action.
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And in fact, even at home where we have a
mid November you know, I'd say November fourteen or so,
it's been like just the best the best day on
trail camera at home for us. We've seen a buck
that was just dog and doze in late February on
trail camera even at home. So you know, it can
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happen at any time, and especially with those windows, you
have these fawns that are born later than normal, which
then they come in to heat in December or January
sometimes and so you know, it can kick the whole
thing back off on any random day. So I guess
I would say it's pretty exciting still to be hunting
in the rut. It's a lot different than the traditional
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Midwest white tail where Bill Winki was saying after November
said you might as well hang it up.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
You know, he wasn't really saying that.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But it's you know, you could tell there was an
urgency prior to that date, you know. So it's a
little different, and it's exciting. I'm excited. And we still,
you know, me and k C at the Element, we've
got quite a bit of hunting left to do. In fact,
we're you know, post Christmas, We've got several things lined
up and we've been booking all this Airbnbs.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
And everything, you know, and we're we're excited to go
back out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So with the with the plan here post Christmas, and
you know, people can maybe move those dates around a
little bit, maybe they have time during Christmas time. What
is kind of your guys' punch list or strategy, so
hopefully you know, connect with connect with the buck here
in the South.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, I i'd say if you're if you're coming up
into a rut, I'm probably not supposed to say this,
but there's a there's a version of a can call
that actually we used to laugh about a lot, and
I've seen work really well in the South the last
few years.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That can call can work, uh for guys that are
coming into their ruts, coming up when you get into
the heart of the rut. It's crazy how effective that thing.
I've seen it be at times. I like that a lot,
especially a lot of guys they see it may be
from them, it may be from any yeah, yeah, like yeah,
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that's the sound. It sounds a lot like a like
a pink or a woodcock, you know. But those like
I like that, especially for guys because a lot of
times people in your neck of the woods they make
these big, huge buck roars and these giant grunts that
sound like, you know, the deepest burp a human can make,
you know, And it's like, well, a Southern deer, it
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weighs one hundred and sixty pounds, might not actually sound
like that, right, So these guys see it on TV.
They go to you know, just making these huge deep
roars and stuff. It's like, ah, that's there's not as
many deer in the South sounding like that, you know,
So if you're using that that can call. It's got
it's a little more realistic than what a guy might
have seen on TV. And you can't change the pitch
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or anything like that to to sound like, you know,
Michael Waddell or something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So I think that's a that's a good thing for
the rut now if you're if you're on the back
end of the rut here, I think, uh, wheat, wheat
is just hard to beat right now. Corn feeders obviously,
if you're in a state that allows that, which a
lot of the South does. Uh, the deer going to
be carving up, you know, post rut, I think. And
so we're seeing a lot of deer come back to
(08:30):
feeders right now. And I just I still think, uh,
like we were talking about a piece of public in
our home state. I was talking about it with Greg
yesterday and I was like, Man, if there's wheat there.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This, this would be a good spot.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And so in other words, we're looking at deer that
we're trying to pattern to deer moving and you want
to be closer to their.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Betting at this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think, then you do that food source unless you
really get a cold blast, which we just I think
it's a lot nina year, so we haven't had much
cold weather at all.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Real quick with the with the can call, are you
every twenty minutes flipping that thing over or every hour
or what you see a deer and you flip it
over to see how it reacts? Kind of what what
is the calling sequence for that?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, we hunt a lot and so you know, for.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You, you're pretty good strategist when it comes to like
having a target buck and a private property, and sometimes
we have some of that, and sometimes we end up
just you know, we're in this state for a week,
so let's hunt and find a hear and be aggressive.
So like for me, I would say, it didn't necessarily
work for everybody, but we're pretty aggressive.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I would call like I would.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yes, I'd call every fifteen minutes during the rut like
I would. I mean, if you're going to rattle same
thing like in the South, you may not make, you know,
your rattling sequence sound like two one sixties fight, and
you may make it sound a little thinner horned or whatever.
You may be a little less aggressive personally, like using
especially on still days. It will get this time of
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year in the evenings when we have south winds or
east winds. I like sounding like two little dinkers that
are just messing around. And if you've ever watched it,
or you've never watched it, you should try to find
a YouTube clip of a couple of one to two
year olds just kind of not really fighting, but sparring.
And I think that that carries through the woods and
doing that every fifteen minutes or whatever for one or
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two minutes, it's a good idea. I think it's a
good idea. Same with the can call doing it often.
But I do think, yeah, testing it on bucks, even
if it's not a target buck, as long as you
don't want to blow you know, you got to be
careful not to call a one year old over and
then he blows the entire woods out. You know, once
he once, he wins you. So that's the one, the
(10:46):
one thing you got to watch for there. But yeah,
I mean seeing it how they react. But I mean
I can tell you in the South that that can
call works pretty good when the rut's pretty high.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, I really do like it, I really do.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I You're right, it does seem like those things get
made fun of. But if they work. Nothing funny about that.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh, we've laughed our heads off and talked about it
for years.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And then you know, we did the buck Truck series
for me Eater in twenty twenty two and if you
can go watch in the Arkansas episode, I can't call
two bucks, and I mean one of them comes to
I think thirty seven or something like that and the
other one is like fifty five.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But I mean it worked really well.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's on public land, you know, that's where they
hear calling every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, but they probably don't hear that because everyone they
say to do something works, I know. Maybe that's why
that does the trick.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, you go, you know, go go to the trends
that were popular in the nineties and or early two thousands,
and people aren't using anymore and they probably stand a
chance of working and nobody else is using them, right.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, well, no, that's exciting, so real quick. The seventeenth
to Christmas Eve scale one to ten in your neck
of the woods, ten being the best, one being one
of the worst weeks of the year. Where are you
gonna put.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It in my neck of the woods, I'd say.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Man, I'm not gonna give it the Midwest six.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
What's called a seven if you have food? I think
it's a seven. Okay, Yeah, I think there's like I
think that you're going to be coming back to feeders.
They're gonna be on wheat fields. If we can get weather,
which I hadn't looked at the weather. I know we
have some kind of stable weather the first part of
this week. But if we can get a little bit
of weather, I think that it's a really good time
(12:39):
to find a big buck, maybe checking for the last doze,
but knowing that the food source is there to really
kind of be the destination.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I like it. Well, Tyler, if people want to fall
along with your guys the season and all the hunts
that you guys have done literally across it feels like
the entire country, and that probably is a pretty fair
word to say say it. Where can they go watch
all those?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you allow me to do this,
but uh, the Element Hunting is a good search on
YouTube and you'll you'll find our channel.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
If you search the Element you might find a skateboard brand.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So Putting Hunting in there is a pretty good idea
and you can just yeah, you can follow along with
what we've been doing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We're, uh, we're putting out videos.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know, the rut November is pretty tough for us
to get videos out sometimes, so but we're back to
putting out videos pretty regularly right now.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And uh, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Just travel all over and hunt stuff and you know,
sometimes we shoot them, sometimes we don't. But you can
follow us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Too.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Awesome. Thank you so much, Tyler. Good luck the rest
of the year, and I hope you and your family
have an awesome Christmas.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Thanks you too, Jake.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
All right, next up, I have my good friend David Powell.
David a lot of places. He's been spending a lot
of time in Kansas. How's it going going well, Jake?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
How about yourself?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's going great, It's it's going great. It's actually snowing
right here in Illinois right now. We're supposed to get
more snow and more cold weather. So as a deer
hunter this time of year, that's that's okay with me.
What's been going on here? I know you're traveling here
a little bit for the holidays, but how has the
hunting been specifically in Kansas here recently?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You know big bucks have still been hitting the ground.
Rifle season just closed down a week or so ago.
I have noticed that it seems like the bucks are
getting back to food sources to try to replennge some
of that that body weight was lost maybe during the
chasing phase. So I'm concentrating my efforts on and around
food sources. I think that you know I've been chasing
(14:51):
a big deer. I confided in you earlier in the
season that there's a big deer while out that's chase
still continues. Oh, but I wasn't able to catch up
with him early in year, like I hope. Typically he
makes a journey an excursion to the south right I
don't have access, but usually about this time he comes
back home. As a matter of fact, in twenty twenty three,
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I encountered that deer on the twenty second of December,
bumped him from out of a travel corridor.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And I remembered that.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
And then a few days later I was in the
tree and he came down that travel corridor again on
his way to food. Unfortunately, I was managed to miss
that dear at seventeen yards. But the good news is
he's survived and this year he's you know, two years later,
he's even more significant than he was that year.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Wow. And so you mentioned a really interesting thing there.
You were hunting a travel corridor to food. I feel
like a lot of times people want to hunt over food.
With that said, obviously there's added benefits there, potentially easier
to get out of there. Do you want to talk
a little bit about the strategy now that you have,
you know, a couple of years of history at an encounter,
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you know, within within the danger zone. Is that still
top of mind as we you know, are looking deeper
into December, you know that. Do you think history will
repeat itself in that same pinch?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I'm certainly hoping so. So I mentioned to you that
the deer takes an excursion. I left Kansas yesterday, flew
to central Ohio and back in the east for some
some holiday uh get together with the.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Family and others. But as I was leaving, I did get.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Some photo overnight and I had hung a new camera
uh in in that same corridor. I hung that camera
the first series of pictures I got. After I left,
I realized that it needed to be lowered just a bit.
But the deer is a very distinctive fork on the
left side of his on the left side of his rack.
And uh, yesterday morning as I was head of the airport,
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I got a photo of that distinctive left fork.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I'm sure it's him. He's returned.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
History is hopefully you know, he's back in his traditional
winter area. And my hope is that whenever I get back,
I'll be able to get back in that travel corridor
and maybe catch up with it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That that's spot where he had an opportunity in the past.
How far off of the food source was that it
is one hundred yards two hundred yards seventy yards.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
I'm about two two hundred to two hundred and fifty
yards off the main food source. The food source I'll
describe for you is an oakmont. It's about it's about
twenty two acres of pinoaks at the end of about.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The travel corridor is about one point three miles.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Betting area is all along that travel corridor, but oftentimes
throughout the year it's it's towards the lower end of that.
So they're coming somewhere from anywhere from a quarter mile
to nearly a mile away.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
And I because that because that Oakmont is so large.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know, twenty two acres isn't overly large, but it's
it's big when you're trying.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
To bet an narrow and a deer.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
And so I'd rather focus on I'd rather focus on
his travel to that area as to which specific tree
I need to be in within that twenty two acres
And that's that's that worked out well for me previous
sleep and let's hope that that can happen again this year.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, So you know, I think a lot of people
here are wondering and trying to strategize when is the
time to go and apply pressure, right Like these deer
have been pressured, you know, in some areas pretty heavily
throughout the year. Knowing windows of opportunity are frankly closing
for this season. When you're going to be looking here
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in the next week when you when you get back
to Kansas to do a little bit more hunting, are
you watching the weather most specifically or or is the
wind more important for the deer to travel with the
wind you know, poor into or in favor to like
what's kind of the plan? Like, Okay, I'm going to
go in there and I'm going to try and I hope,
I hope it comes together, Like what's the hierarchy of
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decisions there?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (18:46):
The window was closing, as you said, And I don't
want to throw I don't want to throw time in there.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
That would be detrimental to future efforts.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
But at the same time, there's only so many days
left in the season, so wind is going to be
a factor. It's not going to be determining factor if
I hunt that day. It's going to be the determining
factor on which side of that travel corridor I.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Happen to be on it.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Also, weather, I'd love to have cold weather, so he
gets on his feet early and wants to get in.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
There and and and begin to.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Feed before before it gets too late, or maybe even
feed throughout the day. But if if we've got eighty
degree depatures, I hope that's not the case. But because
I've got just a few days left, I will be
in there.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Somch what just jumping around here a little bit. So
obviously you grew up in West Virginia. Is that you
grew up there, right? So I want you to I
want you to jump back to someone that's listening in
West Virginia. They still have a tag in their pocket?
(19:45):
What was your what was your back of tricks for
this time a year in West Virginia.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
So I've got a good friend who's kind of in
a similar situation. He's been chasing a deer all year
long back in West Virginia. It's a very significant deer.
This guy is a big buck killer. Uh at to Jamie.
But he is a big buck killer and he knows
what he's doing. This deer has been given him the slip.
I think that he is, like, like I am planning
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to do, is going to start concentrating more on the
food sources out of the areas where he has been
trying to catch up with the deer chasing chasing does
and I would encourage him to put the time in
whenever he has opportunity to be in the stand. Make
sure he's cognizant of the wind, but don't let him
keep him from hunting. But really focus on those food sources,
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and if you're able to narrow down how they're accessing
those food sources, particularly on days where that might not
be ideal and they might not be wanting to get
up until right at dark, I encourage Jamie to move
off that food source down down the travel way a
bit so that he can intercept them before shooting black expires.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
It is often a little fascinating if you're in a
spot where you can see the deer travel. They can
cover three, four or five hundred yards pretty quickly when
it's cold, and you know, you see him like you're
watching the clock. Oh man, we only have fifteen twenty
more minutes. And you look back up and they're like, oh,
they're half the distance. You look back up again. Now
they're they're getting in within a striking zone. So I
feel that depending on setups and cover and everything else
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in between there, But I wouldn't like, personally, I wouldn't
feel terrible if it's like, Okay, I think he's six
seven hundred yards away, betted here, the weather's right, pretty
darn good chance. If you have to correct food source,
he'll be there. Would you say that's a fair way
to describe it, because I'm I'm picturing your Kansas set
up there miles kind of far. But they can cover
that pretty quick.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, especially if the weather has them on their feet.
You know, cold, cold temperatures will be in our favor.
I believe my hope is that it plays out that way,
even if we can get a little skiff of snow
on the ground where you've got to come up there
and begin to pall at the ground and look for
those acres.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
But we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
But I think that that mile, you know, not only
that the deer that I'm interested in, but every deer
around the area is going to be focusing on food
and they're going to be trying to their way to
that oakmoth that I talked about.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
MM, is that pretty much the main food source for
that you know general area?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Is there?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Like is there like a winter wee field that obviously
there's feeders in Kansas? Like how much is that detrimental
to you know, your particular setup.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
So we've got we've got some ag in the area,
but cornfield has been picked, Beanfield has been picked. They
do get in there at night and scavenge some of
the some of the drop that's that's left in the field,
but by and large, they seem to be the particular
agfields I'm thinking of are somewhat exposed, and I think
they're very hesitant to be out there during daylight hours.
(22:40):
There the oak moth that I'm talking about is very secluded.
It gets virtually no pressure other than the pressure that
I might put on it. And uh, it seems to
be an open smortas board form throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Wonderful, wonderful. So looking here ahead of a head of schedule,
you know, the holidays, uh sometimes gives people a little
bit opportunity to maybe sneak out hunt. You know, the
seventeenth to Christmas Eve known the weather, known the conditions,
time of year on a scale one to ten, ten
being the very best week of the year, one being
one of the worst weeks of the year. Where do
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you throw the next seven days at?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
You know, if we get the right weather, I'm going
to say it should be seven to eight. I feel
that good about it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, that's great. So do you think you'll be in
that tree on the twenty second?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I anticipate being in that tree, maybe the twenty second
through the end of the year, if necessary, in and
around that tree. I don't want to overhook one spot,
but yes, I and to the point that even though
I I'm primarily a saddle hundred these days, my platform
is hanging in that tree right now. My saddle platform
is hanging in that tree right now with anticipation when
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I get back, I'll be in there.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Here's this side tangic question, how many saddle platforms do
you have? Because I wonder that's I like, I talked
to a lot of guys obviously, and it's like, I
no quite a few that have like two or three
saddle platforms to where they can kind of rotate. Is
that do you fall in that category?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I have four. I have three that I use primarily.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
I've got one that is a it's carbon fiber, the
large stand that Tether makes in carbon fiber, and that's
the one I leave in the tree if I know
that it's going to be a place and I'm going
to revisit. But I really prefer they're small carbon fiber predator.
I carry that with me pretty pretty religiously. And then
I've got a I've got the old car, the old predator,
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the metal version that when I need something extra, I
can fall back on it. But I'm typically packing that
small carbon fiber predator. I've got one stick that that
is available to me, but I don't use all that often.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, it's it's funny just the transition of saddle hunting.
It's like it's almost somewhat reverting back to to having
like obviously multiple multiple spots. But I think having multiple
platforms makes total and perfect sense instead of having to
fully tear up and tear down every single time, especially
spot you plan and returning.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
One of the things I've been doing is, and I
kind of got this from from Eberhart.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I know that he preps trees in advance.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
So one of the things I've been doing I bought
a big spool of pair cord and throughout the season,
early in the season especially, but throughout the season, if
it's a spot I want to return back to, I'm
putting a pair of cord loop in that tree over
over a branch ahead, over a branch up ahead, and
I will get there that morning time.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I tether too that.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
I use a full length repair repel rope and I
do this, pull it up and over loop it in there,
and I can get back up that tree very quietly
without having to get in there and cut limbs and
make a path through the through the understory to get
up to the canopy.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
It works out very very well for me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Well, David, I hope you have
a great holiday, a great uh travel here, and I hope,
like heck, you get to seal you get to seal
the final chatter in the story. I'm really rooting for you.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Thank you, Jake, I appreciate that. Merry Christmas to you
and your listeners. Before we run, are you have you
had some success this year? Tell me about the one
that I know that you've been chasing.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, so the one of it chasing he he's still alive, which, honestly,
now at this point of the season, I'm hopeful that
he Honestly, it's kind of sick. You were trying to,
like heck to kill him and now you're like, well,
maybe maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing on earth
if he lives another year. And then I actually shot
a buck last weekend during our firearm season, a mature
buck that I was hoping to kill. I basically built
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my season into two different legs. Leg one is one
of two bucks till the end of Thanksgiving. Week of Thanksgiving,
if I'm unsuccessful, I'm going mature buck hunting, And frankly,
that was a lot easier than trying to kill just
darn one deer. So it's been good.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
You mentioned that it wouldn't disappoint you if that deer
makes it through. That kind of coincides with something that
hurt Don. You can say earlier this week on the
white Tail Masterclass.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That I heard, Yeah, yeah, they make it this far.
It's like, well, gosh, maybe they'll make it the rest
of the way. And it is. It's always fluid, and
you can't be married to an idea. But now it's
been a really fun and exciting season and I hope
I get a text message enter around the twenty second
that they connect with that deer.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Thank you, Jake, I really appreciate once again married Christmas.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
On all right. Next up on the line, we have
Bo Martonic with eats East meets West.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
How's it going good, Jake, It's good to catch up
with you man.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, We're we're getting deeper and deeper into December,
and for people to have a tag in their pocket,
they're probably getting more and more nervous. But we've had
some good conditions. Pennsylvania's closed for the next seven days,
so I know you still have a tag in West Virginia,
but as you know, overall, I know you were just
in Ohio. What have you been seeing as far as
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deer activity, you know, through cameras, observation, friends, buddies, kind
of across the board.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Man, it's been. It's actually been pretty dang good across
the board. The weather has been. I mean, we have
a pretty early winner as when you look at the
average over the last you know, five six years. Last
year we have some snow, but this year is like
snow all of December here, cold weather. Right now it's
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six degrees at my house, so it's like it's pretty
pretty cold weather. And been seeing the deer putting on
the feedbags a little bit more and moving even after
gun season here in Pennsylvania, just closing still seeing deer
on their feet in daylight camera activity for the most part.
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I haven't been out here, but yeah, it's been. It's
been pretty good as far as that goes.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And so for someone that's hunting, you know, more eastern easterly, yeah,
you know, very little ag just for just for a
dummy like me. What is the primary food source in
your neck of the woods for this time of year?
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Snow on the ground, So honestly, acorns are are probably
top of that where that could get a little bit
more difficult here coming probably in the in the coming weeks,
is we have a little bit of a thaw coming
up towards the end of this week, and then it's
gonna get cold again, so you start getting that freezing layer,
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it's harder to dig down for the deer to get
to those acorns. So my personal opinion, if I were
to be hunting this week, I'd be wanting an area
that did have acorns still, but also a ton of brows,
you know, green brier, BlackBerry briers, things like that that
they're nipping on and being able to to you to
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browse on in the area where there's acorns. In addition,
places that have spring seats stuff like that that might
stay thought a little bit longer as far as they're
not going to completely freeze up and they can still
dig some of those, you know, the acorns and food
that's on the ground.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
And so if you had a rank your favorite acorn
for this time of year, do you have one or
is it just a matter of finding acorns?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
They're eating whatever's there, honestly, but it seems like red
oak and chestnut oak seemed to be the ones that
are left on the ground.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I know you recently shot a deer in Ohio
with snow on the ground. How did that come together?
It's non you know out of state hunt. Was that
a new area area you've hunted in the past, and
how did it all come together?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
So I'd hunted the area in October for like two
days during bo season, went back to that area. I
had three days to hunt with a gun and didn't
the area I was in, the acorns were kind of
scooped up already. I'd sat all day the first day
gun season. I don't like walking around and bumping deer
to other people. So I sat all day nothing and
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went back the next morning after some snow, and then
I realized, I was like, there's.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
The acorns are gone.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
I kind of went in blind and just set up
based on what I saw in October. And so I
moved to a completely new area that I hadn't been
before and started finding a ton of acorns. And really,
to make a long story short with it, what it
came down to is there was digging everywhere. There's a
lot of acorns on these ridges, and I just kept
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kind of pushing to where it was starting to get thicker.
And I think the thing is that makes it difficult,
especially when you going out to state hunt this time
of year is like when you see snow is such
a great teacher. You can learn so much by seeing
where they're feeding at, seeing the tracks, seeing the beds,
where you can almost get over excited because you'll see
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beds all over in the oak trees and where they're
feeding at, but it's likely nighttime activity. So and figuring
out what that area looks like for quote unquote thickness
is also very different. There's some areas that you can
go that's very thick everyone, and that's different than an
area that's just mature timber. And then all of a
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sudden you get a green brier patch and some vines
and some other blowdowns that start to create better security
habitat as well as brows around that. So where I
ended up catching up with this buck was I got
into this big bowl system.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
So there's a.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
Couple of finger ridges that ran off a main ridge
in a bowl that had a bunch of like kind
of spring seeps running through it and created some more vegetation.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
So there was a ton of green brier in there.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
There was some oak trees acorns that were kind of
like funneling down because of the way the terrain that
acorns had rolled down into some of those little gullies
and created like a concentrated spot for it. And up
above was just a nasty thicket that was on top
of the ridge. And when i'd snuck in there that
day it was about one o'clock, I'd seen three different
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bucks bedded down actually in the center of that bowl,
on this little tiny bump or high spot of greenbrier,
and they were actually fighting and doing stuff middle of
the day, just you know, a couple of younger bucks
in one. It was a pretty decent one that I
took a lot of self control for me not to
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pull the trigger on, and I just ended up still hunting.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
My way through there.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Came back and I went out, and I thought I'd
kind of blown up the area. And this is a
lesson that I think is something I've learned before and
I had to relearn on this hunt. Was I was
going through there, and when you get into a bowl,
wind swirl, and so I've got wind going up to
where I think the rest of the deer might be bedded.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I've got it going down I'm like, all right, I
blew out that area.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
So I went back out to the point of the
ridge and sat for the evening. And I was sitting
there and I'm just like, there's not a deer coming
in here. You know, you just get that feeling of
like you're just sitting here just to sit here. And
I was like, I need to go back to that bowl.
And I'm like, I knew I already kind of blew
it up two and a half three hours before that.
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But I mean, they're always getting wind of things that
are danger It doesn't mean they're.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Gonna run or not do anything.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
I haven't been there in a while, so I snuck
back in there before last night, and uh, the biggest
year that I had seen in the area came out
of that thicket and walked into fifty yards for me,
where I shot them with the with the muzzloader.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But yeah, there's a lot of a lot of good
lessons in there. You find the spot in the spot,
I guess, you know, yeah, no, that's really.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
It's right, And I was.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
It was the last day I had to hunt, so
I was like kind of trying to push the envelope
a little bit and be a little more aggressive with
it instead of just you know, sitting there all day.
But that would have been the right move once I
saw those bucks in there, like all right, I found
the concentration of the year where they feel good.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Maybe I should just sit here the rest of the day.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
But the whole the whole point, and you know, even
telling that story is I think when it comes to
late season, something that I've been hunting of the last
four or five years is and when you're in big Timber,
not a lot of ads finding that food, but also
that security and browse cover that's all in that one spot.
(35:12):
Being able to decipher the sign between nighttime and daytime,
and especially when you don't have cameras to run or
you're not using cameras in there, it's it's kind of
feeling it out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, And so you know, looking here for the next
seven days, you call it seventeenth to Christmas Eve. For
someone that is going to be able to hunt this
weekend or maybe they have, you know, the work schedule
a little bit is a little bit lighter over the
next seven days, what would you tell them to focus
on kind of no matter where they're at in the country.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Yeah, so personally, like it depends. I'm going to say
one thing, It depends a little bit. Honestly, No, it
doesn't depend. But I do like the fact that there
is a little bit of a warm up coming. It
seems like in late season when you have you know,
single degree temps depending on where you're at, Like for
us here, that's not typical this time of year, and
(36:07):
you know, we usually have snow on the ground, maybe
a little colder.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
But really cold temps.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
It it almost seems like it not locks them down,
but they're conserving their energy a little bit more. But
once you get some warm up, you get some mid
thirties into that forty degree a little bit, it feels
like in some some ways out it feels like a
heat wave to it, and it almost seems like those
deer get up and are feeding more earlier moving around.
(36:34):
So if that's happening in your area, definitely take advantage
of it. But I mean, food, you hear it all
the time when it comes to late season, doesn't matter
if you're an ad country where you're at, food is
definitely king in a lot of that spot. But definitely
don't overlook the cover aspect of it. And covers easier
to find now with the leaves being off the trees,
(36:54):
it's a little more concentrated. So that's that's what I
would look at to find an area to go to.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, that's great now, scale one to ten, one being
one of the worst weeks of the year, ten being
one of the best weeks of the year over the
next seven days December seventeenth of the twenty fourth. Where
do you put it for you yourself? If you're going
to be able to get out and go to West Virginia.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Or something, Yeah, I am not going to be able to.
But how I would.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Put it is I'd probably give it a seven. I
would rank it higher, but in most of these states
here gun season had just closed, so that does add
a little bit more on the pressure aspect of it.
So yeah, I would put it at seven.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And if people want to tune into your podcast and
follow along for the remainder of the season, or maybe
they had a tough season and they want to learn more,
where should they go and listen to your podcast?
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Yeah, you can find it a Spotify, Apple East Meats
West Hunt, or on YouTube just under my name Bomartnic.
You can find podcasting there and all the links to
everything that East meets us hun dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Awesome. We thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Bo Yeah, thanks Jake.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
There, you guys have it. I hope you have a
great week. I hope you guys have a great Christmas.
I hope you get all your Christmas shopping done and
get a chance to sneak out and either bear the
elements or enjoy a mini heatwave and hopefully connect with
the deer, or just get out there and ultimately enjoy it.
We will see you next week. See you
Host
Mark Kenyon
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