August 4, 2025 • 27 mins
In her interview with Lecrae, Nyla Symone dives into the rapper’s journey, creative evolution, and upcoming album Reconstruction (out August 22). Lecrae opens up about breaking into mainstream hip hop with Church Clothes, navigating the “Christian rapper” label, and choosing authenticity over chasing fame. He unpacks the meaning behind Reconstruction, emphasizing that broken people can be rebuilt, and shares personal stories—including the loss of his cousin to fentanyl. The conversation also touches on Lecrae’s faith-driven approach to music, his thoughts on collaborating across genres, and a humorous moment involving Kendrick Lamar mentioning him during the Drake beef. Lecrae reflects on his growth, saying he’s at peace being in the tension between worlds, as long as he stays true to who he is. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to we need to talk with production of the
Black Effect podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on, guys, now, let's go on here with
another episode we need to talk, and today I have
a very special guest in the building. We got Lacreze here.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm caffeinated at six pm. Okay, great, you're.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A crazy man for that.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
By the way, that's what they said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know why you would do that. It is
New York City.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
See, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's what I think I forgot. Where I was at
is still hot and sunny. I'm sorry, so, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm actually kind of over in slow human, but glad
you're in town. I'm super excited to talk to you.
I've actually have a lot of questions, but I'm start
with the beginning and then take it to where we
are now. But your sound has evolved a lot over
the years. What inspired your creative direction today?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What inspired my creative direction today?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think I just like I'm a student always, so
I'm always in the culture, and I want to be effective,
an effective culture culture maker. I don't want to just
critique culture. I don't want to copy it. I want
to create it, And in order to create culture, you
(01:14):
got to like study where people are going with the thinking,
and so the sound changes as the world changes it.
An ancient poet by the name of most Death once said,
if you want to know where hip hop is going, ask.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yourself, where are you going? You know what I'm saying,
We are hip hop. So that's that's kind of what
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That shout out to the ancients. What would you say
is a turning point in your career where you felt
like you would reach beyond church walls?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Oh oh yeah, no, no, hands down. So my first mixtype,
Church Clothes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, I did it with a with My Brain
is Frozen.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, I did it with DJ Don Cannon, and you
know hadn't been done before I had production by like
Ninth Wonder, I had, you know, bun Bee Give Some
Love and just different things like that s one who
did Kanye's Power and all of that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So that.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Did really well as a mixtape. And then after that
was the BT Cipher for BT Awards, and I was
nervous and I didn't know, you know, they didn't even
know what category to.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Put me in.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
So there was like they literally put me in a
category with the international rappers like oh he's an alien,
just put them with you. We don't know what to
do with you. So they name spelled wrong everything. So
but when I saw like legendary lyricists after I wrapped
like tweeting about me and stuff, I said, oh, well
(03:01):
when we have gone beyond the church walls.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So it was a moment, you know, I was actually
going to ask you about like labels and boxes being
a Christian rapper because there are a lot of rappers
who include spirituality in their music and a lot of
songs low key feel like gospel songs but aren't necessarily
like in that box. Does that bother you at all?
Or not necessarily bother you? But I guess, like why
(03:26):
is it that they'll not group that you know gospel?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think how people meet you is how they keep you,
you know what I'm saying. So where do.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
They meet you at?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
If they met you in the church walls, then that's
what they know you as if they met you like
outside of that. So I think of like certain artists
like even Toby we Wagh, you know what I'm saying,
Like people he's a Christian talks about a lot of
faith stuff in his music. But they didn't meet him
inside the church walls. They met him doing a feature
(03:58):
with like Chance the Rapper or some like that, so
he doesn't get put in that category.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So I think that's where they met me.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And so they're like, well, yeah, that's what you do
and I don't I really are you used to bother me,
but now I don't care, Like now, like call me
what everyone called. As long as you're listening, you know
what I'm saying, Just listen to the music.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, now that's true. And I like in your
earlier answer, how you kept saying like, you know, you
just want to have an impact on culture. And obviously
Kendrick Lamar has been definitely leaving his stamp and his
impact on culture within the past two years. I mean
obviously it's a legacy. Yeah, specifically within the last two years,
(04:35):
it's been up on another level. So how did it
feel to be mentioned, you know and peak once a
lifetime rap big history?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh man, it's funny because so funny story. I had
just gone viral for talking about the Kendrick Drake beef right,
So I didn't even know I went viral, right, because
I saying in my viral comment, I said, Drake is
a student of hip hop, Kendrick's a product of hip hop.
(05:07):
There's a difference, right, So that clip goes viral. Of
course all the Drake fans.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Was, yeah, it's so viny.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was on my headtop. So I it was funny
to me because I was like, you know, I had
just gone viral for that, and then I get home
and my phone is buzzing buzz and buzzing, buzzing, buzzing,
and I'm you know, I'm like, is this about that
comment again? You know, like what's going on? But they're like, yo,
they just Kidrick just mentioned you in a song, and
(05:36):
I was like what. And then my next thing is
like what did he say? You know what I'm saying,
because he didn't Why would he even mention me in
the middle of a beef, Like, I didn't know what
could it have been. So of course I went to
listen to it, and you know, I thought it was man,
it was just it was dope.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's like a great it was a good tip of
the hat, you know, shout out to Kok for that,
and we got I got a lot of love for
you know what I'm saying, I'm not biased. I just
appreciate love.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Just vi it. I wouldn't be too I have to
be too, no, I mean. And it's also the winning's
no disrespect. I feel like Drake, I love that New
Drink record, you know, with centrality, but what a moment
like I love that for you. And also I like
that just as a fan because for those who aren't familiar,
(06:27):
like those who are like Knee Deep and hip hop
and rap aren't necessarily paying attention to other subcultures and music.
So I thought it was just a great way to
shine to light.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I appreciate that. So that's super dopen here. So I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So how do you balance being authentic in your and
your lyrics but still staying visible in today's industry? Uh
been challenging.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm trying to think like staying I guess like it
depends on what you what your aim is. Right, So
early in my career, at the beginning of my career,
I never imagined that I would have a footprint in
the mainstream hip hop space. It never even dawned on
me because no one was paying attention to me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what, I'm saying, So I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I never even thought. I just was like, Yo, can
I reach my neighborhood? You know, they'll say, can I
go to bigger than that? Then you know, you get
gassed up. I got I got gassed up. My head
got gassed. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm like, oh, maybe I can be you know, the
next whoever.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know what I'm saying. I was gonna say, yay,
but that's I don't want to be it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It just aged badly.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, So you get gassed up, and then you know
reality sets in that like, oh, y'all, there's things I'm
not willing to do to be there, and there's things
y'all will not accept, which is ironic because it's like
(08:02):
we'll sell packs to people, will molly it up, you
know what I'm saying, We'll misogynize, but he wants to
talk about Jesus about that, you know what I'm saying.
So I thought that was interesting, But I wouldn't say
it was hard. I just say it was more like
more of a reality check, like okay, and now as
(08:25):
you get older, you just I just don't care. I'm like,
I'm gonna be me, like everybody's being them eventually maybe
they'll be room. And if there's not as all good
like I'm still gonna be me, you know what I'm saying,
Like Kanye water Backpack Drake was soft and light skin.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It's right, I'm gonna be me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Understood, Which album are you songs do you feel most
personally connected to and why?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
On this particular project that I'm dropping right now, Reconstruction,
the song probably most personally connect to.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's tough.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's between Bless You and Headphones. So Headphones is a
song me t I and Killer Mike where we're talking
about the people we've lost and like if if if
they if they had headphones in heaven, could they could
they hear us?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And the reason why that song is very personal to
me is because last year at this time, I lost
my my cousin. We were blood, we were like three
days apart, but I lost.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Them to affettan our overdose.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And you know it was just a painful thing because
he had just gotten clean. We was planning all stuff,
we was processing his life change. And you know, man,
that that that that addition is a beast. So you
know his next time was his last time, and so
just just talking through that in the song for him
(09:50):
was really was really hard, but it was uh he
was personally it was hard, but it was it was
necessary healing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, very very healing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Why did name reconstruction for this project?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Good question? Why the name reconstruction? Because I think oftentimes
we deny we're broken, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I think we imagine that we're fixed. We got it together.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
If I wear the right clothes, if I own the right.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Things, I'm together. And the truth of the matters were broken.
But I don't believe that broken people cannot be reconstructed,
can be rebuilt. So case and point, and it's spiritual
as well, So I'm gonna get to that. But case
in point, the Coldplay concert went down.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The CEO due hr lady.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean, they did their thing, but everyone took
so much joy in tearing them down. And my man
was telling a story of him disassembling his treehouse in
the backyard for his kids, but he did not just
tear it down break it. He gently took the pieces
of wood apart because he wanted to reuse those. He
(11:06):
planned on reconstructing something with that would. And I think
the way we tear broken people down is destructive because
they can be reconstructed that I can use them for
something in the future, and you just don't know what
that could be. Our work in prisons all the time
I've seen reconstructed individuals. We throw them away, we destroy
them because of the things they've done. But God doesn't
(11:29):
do that with us, right, He uses us. He makes
a masterpiece out of our mess oftentimes. So this album
is showing people how I've been reconstructed, how my faith has.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Been reconstructed, and how other people can be reconstructed with.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it's so fire. Ye I love that. So let's
talk about because I feel like the climate that we
live in right now, especially on social media, isn't so forgiving,
you know, like they'll cancel you without giving you grace.
And but what you're saying, I feel like, is this
a correct approach? You know on I guess having an
(12:04):
opinion on Public Live. But do you see that becoming
a thing or you think that is a lost cost?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like I think for as long as humanity has been around,
we have enjoyed the destruction of others. You know what
I'm saying, Like I think you go back to I mean,
you go back to chattel slavery, you go back to
people being lynched and everyone's standing around watching it like yeah,
kill on watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Shame, shame.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You know, she's walking up like like we there's a
self righteousness in us that wants to see other people suffer.
And it is also a brokenness in us that we
don't want to look at ourselves. We want to look
at someone else who's worse off so we feel better
about ourselves. And you know, when a bunch of dudes
(12:56):
was about the stone a woman, Jesus said he was
without saying, cast the first storm. So it's like we're yeah,
but your rocks down. So I think when we mature,
if we're humble enough, we get enough therapy, you know
what I'm saying, Like maybe we can see things differently,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That means we got along way.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
We got a long way to go.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh Man agreed and understood. You have collaborated with both
Christian and mentioned artists. What do you look for in
a collaboration these days?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
A common ground? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Like common ground, Like what are we going to talk
about you know what I mean. And a lot of
times they come to me to curate it because they're.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like, we want to be respected, but.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Uneven, b bro like, because I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So generally it's common ground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
It's like, man, what where do we share common ground?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Me and Killer Mike?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
That's my guy, you know what I'm saying. So we've
gone back and forth about faith and our disagreements and
you know, on and on. And we had a song
years back that we never put out because I was like, bro,
we do Nazi out of Eye and there's no way
we can do this song because it's.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Like it's too much clashing.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Y'all was going against each other in the song.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
He wasn't intentionally, but it was like, yo, bro, when
is it? Yeah, Like it's like, yo, we can't. We
can't do that, you know what I mean. So we
can't have the Red Blue Team and the Blue Bloods
and Cribs on the same song talking about killing each other.
That it don't work. But as we've matured, as we've grown,
(14:31):
as we developed more understanding of each other, there's more
common ground, and there's more of a mutual respect for
our differences and like and what we see the same.
So now it was a great time for us to collaborate,
and I think that's what I look for. It's like, man,
if your whole life is all you do is sip
ling and pop Molly's, and it's like, bro, I don't
(14:52):
know what we got to talk about, you know what
I'm saying. But if you're willing to talk about the
wholeness of your humanity, did you lose your mom? Are
you struggling with depression? Like, let's maybe there's some music
that MA can be created.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, it makes sense. I always, personally when listening to music,
enjoy like relatability or admirability, you know, like Golda my
two and if you're not really giving me more of
the other, I don't know if it's gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But do you oftentimes feel like I don't know, do
you feel a way sometimes being in between both worlds? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean now I accept it, you know, my
I think I try to accept it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
In the past, I named my album Anomaly, like I
don't fit in anywhere. I'm an anomaly, and.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's because I wanted to accept it. It's more like
it was more wishful thinking aspirational music. I think, now, yeah,
I just this is who I am, and I'm okay
with it. And it's like, it's fine. You just don't know,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's fine, Like I'm
comfortable in attention. You know, you just don't know that
(16:06):
I'm comfortable in attention. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But it's fine for me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
What role does prayer and spirituality clay in your creative process?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Or yeah, no, plays a massive bro in my creative process,
you know, as a as a Christian, I believe that
you know, everything is held in the balance, like we
have free will, but I believe that God is, you know,
offering us the opportunity to exercise our free will.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Within his yeah and his power and his strength.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
And he's saying, hey, you got it, but I'll give
you guidance if you desire it, I'll give you wisdom,
I will lead you. And so I don't ever think
any prayer is too small, you know. So if I'm
writing a song, I'm like, yo, you give me what
I need. And I got kids, So I look at
God as a father. There's nothing I would hate if
(17:06):
my kids came to me. Like, oh, wonderful and blessed father,
May I have a cookie? Please? Scoffather Dad, I would
be like if you don't, right, So I don't treat
God like that, like like they asked me for everything.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
They asked me like can I go outside?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Can I use this book? Can I take your thing?
And so that's how I treat it. I'm just like, hey, Lord,
is there is it possible that you can give me
some words I have? I don't know what I'm talking about.
Is it possible that you can allow us to go smooth? Like?
I just whatever it is. So it plays a massive role.
And then the spiritual impact part is the most important
for me because the tangible, I don't know, terrestrial ends
(17:51):
of everything are not satisfying, you know, out of sad
with Will Smith, he said it out of sad way.
All the biggest artists they'll say like the Plantinum record
didn't satisfy, the money didn't satisfy. So if it's not
the impact of other human beings, I mean, I don't
know what else. Like, that's what I do it for.
(18:11):
So spiritually, I want to see other people come alive,
be awakened, be inspired, grow, Yeah, yeah, I like.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The balance that you're doing because some people would say
like or not say, but you know, Christian rep can
be looked at as porny. So like the way that
you're blending in like a chameleon in both worlds, it's
just like we need it either be normalized. How do
you deal with backlash from fans when you're activism challenges
(18:43):
their belief or poetics? Is it like, oh, I got
time today over then like do you feel like you
have to expe you know what?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
One day, I'm gonna be honest, Like I mean, like
there was a moment I had one day when this
woman she made a video about like political affiliations and
La craze is this and that sheeses?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I was just like you all know me.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then the other thing I thought to myself was
like you think I am so safe, and I just
I'm really from the hood and I don't want to
show this to you. I don't you know. That's where
my brain was thinking. And I literally made a video
responding and then I didn't post it. But the video
was so bad because it was just like you wasn't
(19:35):
with me at none of these prisons. You ain't like,
none of these things. But then I just have to remember,
like people want you to be who they want you
to be, you know what I'm saying now, who you
actually are, and they don't want to have a conversation
and understand you. They want you to embrace their worldview
(19:57):
and the way they see the world. So you know,
they're not good at nuance. So I'm like, okay, so
I engage the curious, you know what I mean, But
I ignore the critics because it's like, you don't You're
not kept trying to understand. You just want to critique.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
What a headache? A headache?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, who you telling me?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
There's no there's no convincing the truth. Even if the
truth is the truth, they they.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Will make up their own they will make up their
own thing about it.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I know, yeah, oh yeah, I know why you did that, Like, oh,
I don't even know why I did that, but you
due thank you for it light to me.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That is funny. What would you say is one of
the biggest misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
That people have about Lacrage biggest misconceptions that people have
about La Craye. I would say, on both ends of
the spectrum, on one of the spectrum that I am.
I am more righteous and and yeah I'm I'm I'm
(21:05):
better than you think I am. I'm not as good
as you think I am. And I'm not as bad
as you think I am.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So it's on both ends of the spectrum. So there's
there's some people who I'm the worst right because of
whatever they cakes me.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
How can you call yourself a Christian? But you're doing
songs with them and you're talking about this and you're
engaged in this, and you don't Why didn't you tell
them about Jesus more than this? You know, I'm not
as bad as you think I am. But then on
this spectrum, you know I can't be around him.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know some other stuff I know?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Oh my bad do?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I know?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You this and you that?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And you've got it all together, you got and I'm like,
I'm not as good as you think I am. I'm
in the middle with my arms up surrender and saying.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
God, I don't have it together. I need you to
walk me through this.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So human human nothing more than nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, yeah, makes sense, Okay. On the show, we played
game crop questions that need answers and you're just feeling
the blink. Okay, all right, the older I get, the
less I right, you would never believe me if I
told you.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Uh, you would never believe me if I told you
I wish I could like I wish I could be
like a dancer like Jabbawaukee's type of dancer like I
wish I do like I'll be watching The Less Twins
and Jada.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I wish I could do that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, you got rhythm.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I got rhythm, but guys, technical, I got the rhythm,
but the coordination.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
May not be.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay, so separately got it for sure. Sometimes I look
back at my life.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
And sometimes I look back at my life and I
thank God, boy, I know you real, I should not
be where I'm at today.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Him into that ten years from now. I want my
legacy to be.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Ten years from now, I want my legacy to be
people are carrying out their god given calling and gifting
because I gave them the opportunity to do so. I
inspired them to do so, or challenged them to do so.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, Blank is one movie I can watch with the
sound off.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Friday Cool. I was Friday with the sound.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I should know that.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
One my favorite album of all time is miss editation
of classic classic thing. It's abster that also by the
end of twenty twenty five, I hope too.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Into twenty twenty five, I hope to.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Inspire. That's a lie. What all do I edity twenty five?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
May sur I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
All right? Relatable?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, eggs four dollars in New York right now? You
know for per egg like you just want a dolo one,
that's crazy een peen dollars. If you want a cart
it is rich. I had to break the forth wall,
like I'm not lying, guys. It's bad out here.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
That real bull, real bull was ten bucks. You got
the little one that was the little control out here,
out of control?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right. My last two is the hardest lesson I
learned about.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Fame is oh, Man, the hardest lesson I learned about
fame is is fake.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's not real.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
It's chasing the air, is grasping for wind.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's not a real thing, grasping for wind. Not the
poetic that was good, all right, I believe you. I agree, actually,
And then my last question is, oh, the craziest thing
that's happened to me on tour had to be the
time when.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Where do we begin?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
It's that many oh man, Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Craziest thing that happened to me on tour had to
be the time.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
When in Toronto and some girl who was a super
fan decided to lay in front of our tour bus.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And not leave until we came out. It was like, yeah,
I was like, why.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Are you doing this? Lay in front, laid down like
she's protested, like in front of the bus, Like if
you don't come off the bus, I go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Wow. So I'm actually impressed by her commitment to the task,
Like that is impressive.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like, come on, shorty, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
She said, I'm a meet with pretty today. What it's
me or him?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Listen, you got the same access to God that I got.
If you eat a prayer that bad, you could pray
your own prayer, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh that man, that is crazy. Okay, And oh that
was a nice one. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
For I was liking that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Gay. I appreciate you so much. It's really nice to
meet you. So reconstruction is on the way.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
August twenty second.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
August twenty second, Yeah, okay, perfect. Your birthday no, no, no, no, oh,
my birthday just passed August. I mean July twenty fifth. Okay, yes, yeah,
but I mean August is still great month. It's the summertime.
I'm excited for it to drop. Yeah, shout out to BAM.
Let everybody know where they can follow you.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Make sure you follow me at locreze l E, c
R A E and if you follow me, I'll need
you somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Until next time, Guys talks and peace.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's going on, guys, now, let's go on here with
another episode we need to talk, and today I have
a very special guest in the building. We got Lacreze here.
How are you.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm doing wonderful. I'm caffeinated at six pm. Okay, great, you're.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
A crazy man for that.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
By the way, that's what they said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know why you would do that. It is
New York City.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
See, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
That's what I think I forgot. Where I was at
is still hot and sunny. I'm sorry, so, yes it is.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm actually kind of over in slow human, but glad
you're in town. I'm super excited to talk to you.
I've actually have a lot of questions, but I'm start
with the beginning and then take it to where we
are now. But your sound has evolved a lot over
the years. What inspired your creative direction today?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
What inspired my creative direction today?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think I just like I'm a student always, so
I'm always in the culture, and I want to be effective,
an effective culture culture maker. I don't want to just
critique culture. I don't want to copy it. I want
to create it, And in order to create culture, you
(01:14):
got to like study where people are going with the thinking,
and so the sound changes as the world changes it.
An ancient poet by the name of most Death once said,
if you want to know where hip hop is going, ask.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yourself, where are you going? You know what I'm saying,
We are hip hop. So that's that's kind of what
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That shout out to the ancients. What would you say
is a turning point in your career where you felt
like you would reach beyond church walls?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Oh oh yeah, no, no, hands down. So my first mixtype,
Church Clothes.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know, I did it with a with My Brain
is Frozen.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah, I did it with DJ Don Cannon, and you
know hadn't been done before I had production by like
Ninth Wonder, I had, you know, bun Bee Give Some
Love and just different things like that s one who
did Kanye's Power and all of that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So that.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Did really well as a mixtape. And then after that
was the BT Cipher for BT Awards, and I was
nervous and I didn't know, you know, they didn't even
know what category to.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Put me in.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
So there was like they literally put me in a
category with the international rappers like oh he's an alien,
just put them with you. We don't know what to
do with you. So they name spelled wrong everything. So
but when I saw like legendary lyricists after I wrapped
like tweeting about me and stuff, I said, oh, well
(03:01):
when we have gone beyond the church walls.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So it was a moment, you know, I was actually
going to ask you about like labels and boxes being
a Christian rapper because there are a lot of rappers
who include spirituality in their music and a lot of
songs low key feel like gospel songs but aren't necessarily
like in that box. Does that bother you at all?
Or not necessarily bother you? But I guess, like why
(03:26):
is it that they'll not group that you know gospel?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think how people meet you is how they keep you,
you know what I'm saying. So where do.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
They meet you at?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
If they met you in the church walls, then that's
what they know you as if they met you like
outside of that. So I think of like certain artists
like even Toby we Wagh, you know what I'm saying,
Like people he's a Christian talks about a lot of
faith stuff in his music. But they didn't meet him
inside the church walls. They met him doing a feature
(03:58):
with like Chance the Rapper or some like that, so
he doesn't get put in that category.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So I think that's where they met me.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And so they're like, well, yeah, that's what you do
and I don't I really are you used to bother me,
but now I don't care, Like now, like call me
what everyone called. As long as you're listening, you know
what I'm saying, Just listen to the music.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, now that's true. And I like in your
earlier answer, how you kept saying like, you know, you
just want to have an impact on culture. And obviously
Kendrick Lamar has been definitely leaving his stamp and his
impact on culture within the past two years. I mean
obviously it's a legacy. Yeah, specifically within the last two years,
(04:35):
it's been up on another level. So how did it
feel to be mentioned, you know and peak once a
lifetime rap big history?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Oh man, it's funny because so funny story. I had
just gone viral for talking about the Kendrick Drake beef right,
So I didn't even know I went viral, right, because
I saying in my viral comment, I said, Drake is
a student of hip hop, Kendrick's a product of hip hop.
(05:07):
There's a difference, right, So that clip goes viral. Of
course all the Drake fans.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Was, yeah, it's so viny.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was on my headtop. So I it was funny
to me because I was like, you know, I had
just gone viral for that, and then I get home
and my phone is buzzing buzz and buzzing, buzzing, buzzing,
and I'm you know, I'm like, is this about that
comment again? You know, like what's going on? But they're like, yo,
they just Kidrick just mentioned you in a song, and
(05:36):
I was like what. And then my next thing is
like what did he say? You know what I'm saying,
because he didn't Why would he even mention me in
the middle of a beef, Like, I didn't know what
could it have been. So of course I went to
listen to it, and you know, I thought it was man,
it was just it was dope.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's like a great it was a good tip of
the hat, you know, shout out to Kok for that,
and we got I got a lot of love for
you know what I'm saying, I'm not biased. I just
appreciate love.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Just vi it. I wouldn't be too I have to
be too, no, I mean. And it's also the winning's
no disrespect. I feel like Drake, I love that New
Drink record, you know, with centrality, but what a moment
like I love that for you. And also I like
that just as a fan because for those who aren't familiar,
(06:27):
like those who are like Knee Deep and hip hop
and rap aren't necessarily paying attention to other subcultures and music.
So I thought it was just a great way to
shine to light.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I appreciate that. So that's super dopen here. So I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So how do you balance being authentic in your and
your lyrics but still staying visible in today's industry? Uh
been challenging.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I'm trying to think like staying I guess like it
depends on what you what your aim is. Right, So
early in my career, at the beginning of my career,
I never imagined that I would have a footprint in
the mainstream hip hop space. It never even dawned on
me because no one was paying attention to me.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
You know what, I'm saying, So I didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I never even thought. I just was like, Yo, can
I reach my neighborhood? You know, they'll say, can I
go to bigger than that? Then you know, you get
gassed up. I got I got gassed up. My head
got gassed. You know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm like, oh, maybe I can be you know, the
next whoever.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
You know what I'm saying. I was gonna say, yay,
but that's I don't want to be it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It just aged badly.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, So you get gassed up, and then you know
reality sets in that like, oh, y'all, there's things I'm
not willing to do to be there, and there's things
y'all will not accept, which is ironic because it's like
(08:02):
we'll sell packs to people, will molly it up, you
know what I'm saying, We'll misogynize, but he wants to
talk about Jesus about that, you know what I'm saying.
So I thought that was interesting, But I wouldn't say
it was hard. I just say it was more like
more of a reality check, like okay, and now as
(08:25):
you get older, you just I just don't care. I'm like,
I'm gonna be me, like everybody's being them eventually maybe
they'll be room. And if there's not as all good
like I'm still gonna be me, you know what I'm saying,
Like Kanye water Backpack Drake was soft and light skin.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It's right, I'm gonna be me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Understood, Which album are you songs do you feel most
personally connected to and why?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
On this particular project that I'm dropping right now, Reconstruction,
the song probably most personally connect to.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
That's tough.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's between Bless You and Headphones. So Headphones is a
song me t I and Killer Mike where we're talking
about the people we've lost and like if if if
they if they had headphones in heaven, could they could
they hear us?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And the reason why that song is very personal to
me is because last year at this time, I lost
my my cousin. We were blood, we were like three
days apart, but I lost.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Them to affettan our overdose.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
And you know it was just a painful thing because
he had just gotten clean. We was planning all stuff,
we was processing his life change. And you know, man,
that that that that addition is a beast. So you
know his next time was his last time, and so
just just talking through that in the song for him
(09:50):
was really was really hard, but it was uh he
was personally it was hard, but it was it was
necessary healing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, very very healing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Why did name reconstruction for this project?
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Good question? Why the name reconstruction? Because I think oftentimes
we deny we're broken, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I think we imagine that we're fixed. We got it together.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
If I wear the right clothes, if I own the right.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Things, I'm together. And the truth of the matters were broken.
But I don't believe that broken people cannot be reconstructed,
can be rebuilt. So case and point, and it's spiritual
as well, So I'm gonna get to that. But case
in point, the Coldplay concert went down.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The CEO due hr lady.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, I mean, they did their thing, but everyone took
so much joy in tearing them down. And my man
was telling a story of him disassembling his treehouse in
the backyard for his kids, but he did not just
tear it down break it. He gently took the pieces
of wood apart because he wanted to reuse those. He
(11:06):
planned on reconstructing something with that would. And I think
the way we tear broken people down is destructive because
they can be reconstructed that I can use them for
something in the future, and you just don't know what
that could be. Our work in prisons all the time
I've seen reconstructed individuals. We throw them away, we destroy
them because of the things they've done. But God doesn't
(11:29):
do that with us, right, He uses us. He makes
a masterpiece out of our mess oftentimes. So this album
is showing people how I've been reconstructed, how my faith has.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Been reconstructed, and how other people can be reconstructed with.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it's so fire. Ye I love that. So let's
talk about because I feel like the climate that we
live in right now, especially on social media, isn't so forgiving,
you know, like they'll cancel you without giving you grace.
And but what you're saying, I feel like, is this
a correct approach? You know on I guess having an
(12:04):
opinion on Public Live. But do you see that becoming
a thing or you think that is a lost cost?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like I think for as long as humanity has been around,
we have enjoyed the destruction of others. You know what
I'm saying, Like I think you go back to I mean,
you go back to chattel slavery, you go back to
people being lynched and everyone's standing around watching it like yeah,
kill on watch Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Shame, shame.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
You know, she's walking up like like we there's a
self righteousness in us that wants to see other people suffer.
And it is also a brokenness in us that we
don't want to look at ourselves. We want to look
at someone else who's worse off so we feel better
about ourselves. And you know, when a bunch of dudes
(12:56):
was about the stone a woman, Jesus said he was
without saying, cast the first storm. So it's like we're yeah,
but your rocks down. So I think when we mature,
if we're humble enough, we get enough therapy, you know
what I'm saying, Like maybe we can see things differently,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
That means we got along way.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
We got a long way to go.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Oh Man agreed and understood. You have collaborated with both
Christian and mentioned artists. What do you look for in
a collaboration these days?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
A common ground? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Like common ground, Like what are we going to talk
about you know what I mean. And a lot of
times they come to me to curate it because they're.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like, we want to be respected, but.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Uneven, b bro like, because I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So generally it's common ground.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
It's like, man, what where do we share common ground?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Me and Killer Mike?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
That's my guy, you know what I'm saying. So we've
gone back and forth about faith and our disagreements and
you know, on and on. And we had a song
years back that we never put out because I was like, bro,
we do Nazi out of Eye and there's no way
we can do this song because it's.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Like it's too much clashing.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Y'all was going against each other in the song.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
He wasn't intentionally, but it was like, yo, bro, when
is it? Yeah, Like it's like, yo, we can't. We
can't do that, you know what I mean. So we
can't have the Red Blue Team and the Blue Bloods
and Cribs on the same song talking about killing each other.
That it don't work. But as we've matured, as we've grown,
(14:31):
as we developed more understanding of each other, there's more
common ground, and there's more of a mutual respect for
our differences and like and what we see the same.
So now it was a great time for us to collaborate,
and I think that's what I look for. It's like, man,
if your whole life is all you do is sip
ling and pop Molly's, and it's like, bro, I don't
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know what we got to talk about, you know what
I'm saying. But if you're willing to talk about the
wholeness of your humanity, did you lose your mom? Are
you struggling with depression? Like, let's maybe there's some music
that MA can be created.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, it makes sense. I always, personally when listening to music,
enjoy like relatability or admirability, you know, like Golda my
two and if you're not really giving me more of
the other, I don't know if it's gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But do you oftentimes feel like I don't know, do
you feel a way sometimes being in between both worlds? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, I mean now I accept it, you know, my
I think I try to accept it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
In the past, I named my album Anomaly, like I
don't fit in anywhere. I'm an anomaly, and.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
It's because I wanted to accept it. It's more like
it was more wishful thinking aspirational music. I think, now, yeah,
I just this is who I am, and I'm okay
with it. And it's like, it's fine. You just don't know,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's fine, Like I'm
comfortable in attention. You know, you just don't know that
(16:06):
I'm comfortable in attention. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But it's fine for me.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
What role does prayer and spirituality clay in your creative process?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Or yeah, no, plays a massive bro in my creative process,
you know, as a as a Christian, I believe that
you know, everything is held in the balance, like we
have free will, but I believe that God is, you know,
offering us the opportunity to exercise our free will.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Within his yeah and his power and his strength.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
And he's saying, hey, you got it, but I'll give
you guidance if you desire it, I'll give you wisdom,
I will lead you. And so I don't ever think
any prayer is too small, you know. So if I'm
writing a song, I'm like, yo, you give me what
I need. And I got kids, So I look at
God as a father. There's nothing I would hate if
(17:06):
my kids came to me. Like, oh, wonderful and blessed father,
May I have a cookie? Please? Scoffather Dad, I would
be like if you don't, right, So I don't treat
God like that, like like they asked me for everything.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
They asked me like can I go outside?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Can I use this book? Can I take your thing?
And so that's how I treat it. I'm just like, hey, Lord,
is there is it possible that you can give me
some words I have? I don't know what I'm talking about.
Is it possible that you can allow us to go smooth? Like?
I just whatever it is. So it plays a massive role.
And then the spiritual impact part is the most important
for me because the tangible, I don't know, terrestrial ends
(17:51):
of everything are not satisfying, you know, out of sad
with Will Smith, he said it out of sad way.
All the biggest artists they'll say like the Plantinum record
didn't satisfy, the money didn't satisfy. So if it's not
the impact of other human beings, I mean, I don't
know what else. Like, that's what I do it for.
(18:11):
So spiritually, I want to see other people come alive,
be awakened, be inspired, grow, Yeah, yeah, I like.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The balance that you're doing because some people would say
like or not say, but you know, Christian rep can
be looked at as porny. So like the way that
you're blending in like a chameleon in both worlds, it's
just like we need it either be normalized. How do
you deal with backlash from fans when you're activism challenges
(18:43):
their belief or poetics? Is it like, oh, I got
time today over then like do you feel like you
have to expe you know what?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
One day, I'm gonna be honest, Like I mean, like
there was a moment I had one day when this
woman she made a video about like political affiliations and
La craze is this and that sheeses?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I was just like you all know me.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then the other thing I thought to myself was
like you think I am so safe, and I just
I'm really from the hood and I don't want to
show this to you. I don't you know. That's where
my brain was thinking. And I literally made a video
responding and then I didn't post it. But the video
was so bad because it was just like you wasn't
(19:35):
with me at none of these prisons. You ain't like,
none of these things. But then I just have to remember,
like people want you to be who they want you
to be, you know what I'm saying now, who you
actually are, and they don't want to have a conversation
and understand you. They want you to embrace their worldview
(19:57):
and the way they see the world. So you know,
they're not good at nuance. So I'm like, okay, so
I engage the curious, you know what I mean, But
I ignore the critics because it's like, you don't You're
not kept trying to understand. You just want to critique.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
What a headache? A headache?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, who you telling me?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
There's no there's no convincing the truth. Even if the
truth is the truth, they they.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Will make up their own they will make up their
own thing about it.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I know, yeah, oh yeah, I know why you did that, Like, oh,
I don't even know why I did that, but you
due thank you for it light to me.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That is funny. What would you say is one of
the biggest misconceptions.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
That people have about Lacrage biggest misconceptions that people have
about La Craye. I would say, on both ends of
the spectrum, on one of the spectrum that I am.
I am more righteous and and yeah I'm I'm I'm
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better than you think I am. I'm not as good
as you think I am. And I'm not as bad
as you think I am.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
So it's on both ends of the spectrum. So there's
there's some people who I'm the worst right because of
whatever they cakes me.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
How can you call yourself a Christian? But you're doing
songs with them and you're talking about this and you're
engaged in this, and you don't Why didn't you tell
them about Jesus more than this? You know, I'm not
as bad as you think I am. But then on
this spectrum, you know I can't be around him.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know some other stuff I know?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Oh my bad do?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I know?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You this and you that?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
And you've got it all together, you got and I'm like,
I'm not as good as you think I am. I'm
in the middle with my arms up surrender and saying.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
God, I don't have it together. I need you to
walk me through this.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
So human human nothing more than nothing.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, yeah, makes sense, Okay. On the show, we played
game crop questions that need answers and you're just feeling
the blink. Okay, all right, the older I get, the
less I right, you would never believe me if I
told you.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Uh, you would never believe me if I told you
I wish I could like I wish I could be
like a dancer like Jabbawaukee's type of dancer like I
wish I do like I'll be watching The Less Twins
and Jada.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
I wish I could do that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Okay, you got rhythm.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I got rhythm, but guys, technical, I got the rhythm,
but the coordination.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
May not be.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay, so separately got it for sure. Sometimes I look
back at my life.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
And sometimes I look back at my life and I
thank God, boy, I know you real, I should not
be where I'm at today.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Him into that ten years from now. I want my
legacy to be.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Ten years from now, I want my legacy to be
people are carrying out their god given calling and gifting
because I gave them the opportunity to do so. I
inspired them to do so, or challenged them to do so.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, Blank is one movie I can watch with the
sound off.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Friday Cool. I was Friday with the sound.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I should know that.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
One my favorite album of all time is miss editation
of classic classic thing. It's abster that also by the
end of twenty twenty five, I hope too.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Into twenty twenty five, I hope to.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Inspire. That's a lie. What all do I edity twenty five?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
May sur I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
All right?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
All right? Relatable?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, eggs four dollars in New York right now? You
know for per egg like you just want a dolo one,
that's crazy een peen dollars. If you want a cart
it is rich. I had to break the forth wall,
like I'm not lying, guys. It's bad out here.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
That real bull, real bull was ten bucks. You got
the little one that was the little control out here,
out of control?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right. My last two is the hardest lesson I
learned about.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Fame is oh, Man, the hardest lesson I learned about
fame is is fake.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It's not real.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
It's chasing the air, is grasping for wind.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It's not a real thing, grasping for wind. Not the
poetic that was good, all right, I believe you. I agree, actually,
And then my last question is, oh, the craziest thing
that's happened to me on tour had to be the
time when.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Where do we begin?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
It's that many oh man, Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Craziest thing that happened to me on tour had to
be the time.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
When in Toronto and some girl who was a super
fan decided to lay in front of our tour bus.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And not leave until we came out. It was like, yeah,
I was like, why.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Are you doing this? Lay in front, laid down like
she's protested, like in front of the bus, Like if
you don't come off the bus, I go nowhere.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Wow. So I'm actually impressed by her commitment to the task,
Like that is impressive.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like, come on, shorty, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
She said, I'm a meet with pretty today. What it's
me or him?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Listen, you got the same access to God that I got.
If you eat a prayer that bad, you could pray
your own prayer, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh that man, that is crazy. Okay, And oh that
was a nice one. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
For I was liking that.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Gay. I appreciate you so much. It's really nice to
meet you. So reconstruction is on the way.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
August twenty second.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
August twenty second, Yeah, okay, perfect. Your birthday no, no, no, no, oh,
my birthday just passed August. I mean July twenty fifth. Okay, yes, yeah,
but I mean August is still great month. It's the summertime.
I'm excited for it to drop. Yeah, shout out to BAM.
Let everybody know where they can follow you.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Make sure you follow me at locreze l E, c
R A E and if you follow me, I'll need
you somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Until next time, Guys talks and peace.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
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