Cleo Trappa, the formidable voice behind the hit single "Everybody 8," joins us in a refreshing conversation, where she shares her journey from scandal to stardom. Hear how Cleo, with her unyielding authenticity, turned public misconceptions into a creative triumph, fueled by DJ Honeybee's remix. Her story isn't just about music; it's about facing life's hurdles head-on and choosing to narrate her experiences through her own narrative lens.
We also explore Cleo's musical evolution and her aspirations beyond rap, diving into the diverse genres that capture her eclectic spirit. With a hint of rock star rebellion, Cleo dreams of blending genres like alt rap and country into her repertoire, challenging traditional labels. This episode teases the potential of her podcast venture, where her vibrant storytelling and rich experiences promise to captivate audiences.
Finally, Cleo opens up about navigating the often tricky waters of personal relationships and business within the music industry. Her candid insights on authenticity and managing public perception offer valuable lessons in self-love and resilience. As we wrap up, Cleo's infectious enthusiasm invites you to connect with her musical journey, leaving you inspired by her boundless energy and love for creativity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
After like the whole scandal, I feel like the Internet
was like broken into like either team whatever or team whatever.
I'm not surprised though, when I decided to do the
parts in the series, I already knew what was gonna
come with it, but I didn't give a fuck. Y'all
are familiar with one person, and y'all looking at me like, oh,
she's just trying to That's not the case, because if
you know me, you know I say what the fuck
(00:21):
I want, regardless of who's inside the situation. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's the girl Cleo Trapper and my new single everybody
Ate is out? Now? What's up? Not?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I love?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We need to talk?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's going on? Guys? Now, let's go on here with
another episode.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We need to talk? And today I got a very
special guest in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Cleo Trapper is here. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm doing good, I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good, I'm looking good. Yes you are. You had a
really good year, a great year. Thank you so much. Yes,
And I want to start with I know you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You walked in and said that you were hungry and
here on the nil Swan show. We like to make
sure everybody feels comfortable. All right, So I got your
chicken salad?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You goad ass? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh my god. Wait did you get in like a
sandwich form?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah? Oh you didn't want you wanted a salad.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, it's okay, I'm hungry. Let me take a bite.
No check, Oh my god, okay, good see I wanted it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I wanted you to feel welcome that. Oh wow, this
is good.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, period good it's on a roll. I don't know,
see reference. I could have asked, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I could have asked, but okay, good see.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I told you it was like it's a like joke,
not hitting, Oh my god, not hitting. It's a man.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh it is I told.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, thank you so much, of course, of course, of course,
but I do want to like commend you on how
you took that moment and turn it into a hit record,
as I should, as God's playing a baby.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You think so, I think so, because obviously it was
meant to do what it did. And you know, but
out of the negative came a positive, and yes, that
is God's Was that your idea to flip it?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Or did somebody like flipp it? Send it? To you,
and you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A lot of people thought it was my idea to
flip it, like baby, I just told the story. You
you you know what I'm saying. But no, the girl
she just made what's her name, DJ Honeybee, she just
made like a remix to it, and people were telling me, girl,
you need to rap on that. I'm like, okay, and
that's what I'm gonna do. And I tore that and
everybody's eating it up and it's doing really good right now,
and I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
For me, it's fire.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, don't don't act like it wouldn't have been a
good idea for you to come up with too, just
because it's a layup.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Why not? No?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about that, honestly, Like I
from the situation. I ain't think to myself, oh yeah,
I'm about to drop a song about this, Like no,
I really just wanted people to just not connect me
in that way. You know, when people don't know shit,
it's like they'll still be like, Okay, well yeah, when
y'all gonna and I'm just like, all right, here's the story,
so y'all will understand you feel me, and y'all could
(03:09):
know what's going on, because I really don't. I don't
give a fuck. I'm not one of them people that'll
be like I'm gonna keep it quiet. I'm gonna just
keep it pushing. No, bitch, you violated, and I'm gonna
let everybody know that you violated. Yeah, I'm gonna be
honest the way being my homegirls literally took the time
out and sat and watched the whole thing. We all
are like, and cahoof said, you should start a podcast,
you know, I want to.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Ain't nobody fucking with you a storyteller right now? I
really feel like you just be so good.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I really want to. I always wanted to do that.
I just feel like I have so it's like so
much on my plate. But I don't mind having podcasts
on the plate. Like it'll be fun and it's really
nothing to me. It's really like it would be easy,
like just tell stories. And cause you're already already traveling,
you're already making music, you're already like run. Yeah, it's
a lot, it's a lot of shit to tell.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
For real, what would you name it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I would name it? Hm, you already got a name
for her?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh wait, what's the name now you don't get a
nad No, girl.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I I forgot, but yes we did have a name.
Is I beg your party?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I beg your party? Cause that's like something I used
to Actually I do still say it, and like my
videos and stuff, I be like, I beg your party.
That's actually that would that would eat that gotta be
heavy on the priority list for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, Like, no, you're right, it's there. And honestly, even
before like that whole little viral situation, you're already like
viow for your personality, like viral for stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So that's why I feel.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Like, Yeah, and that's not in that kid that will
never fade, you feel me. It's it's that's there. That's
a permanent thing. Looks fade. Everything else fade. Money might
run out too for some, but that personalities there are.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, what what I wanna know?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like, were you always like this? Did you grow into
this type of woman? Like what is like your villain
origin story? I feel like I was always like this,
you gonna acts pretty much anybody that I've grown up with,
and they always felt like I was gonna be this person.
So I feel like it was always it was always
it's always written for me. I don't know. It's kind
of crazy too, cause it's like, even like growing up,
(05:12):
I always wanted to be like in the front, like
I wanted to be on TV. I wanted to be
known and all this other stuff. But it kind of
like fell into place in its own way, and like
being as like popular as I am just from being myself.
I loved that it played out real right, And after
seeing all that other shit that them kids was going
(05:34):
through on Disney Channel and shit and Nickelodeon and shit
that documentaries, I'm like, wait, hold on, thank you for
not picking me? Yeah, no, for real, it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah. So was it always given rap girly?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I always wrote music, okay, but it didn't give rap
girly until like I turned eighteen nineteen and I can
actually go to the school on my own and be
like I'm about to. But it was kind of like
fueled by like drama at the time. I'm like I'm
feeling this record. I'm like, I'm FeelA make a dish
track which is blowing mine. So that's how it kind
of started. That's like how I went into the studio
(06:10):
and them from there. I was like, Oh this is fun.
Why nobody ever took me here?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You released it?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
This record I did. It was called let It to
My Haters? Let It to My Hater is gonna SoundCloud?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Did it? Did it like spark anything?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It sparked me doing music.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Did the person who you were sending for did they?
Did they receive the song?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean, it wasn't like the person I was sending
for was a rap hole, you know what I'm saying.
So it wasn't gonna give like, oh yeah, this is
rap beef. It really just I just want to release
and say how I feel on a track already be her,
it was neither hear nor the end.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Oh my god. No, you are definitely a personality. Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Though you wrap, you dabble and like sounds that aren't
necessarily under the rap genre.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Cause I really love your Miley Cyrus flipped one of
my favorite songs is rock Star I love.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was like, oh, this is tough.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That that that's like, oh, I feel like that's like
alt rap. But like I honestly like I love music.
So it's like I want to do everything. I want
to do everything. If I could do it, I'm gonna
do it. Yeah, yeah, I love music. Okay, so you
wanna do allt rap? You wanna do country? I know
we're headed like towards like a country.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know what I.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Wouldn't I wouldn't beach. I would have shot away from
country like it's music. M I mean, that wouldn't be
the first thing I would think. Irn B pop rock
for sure. I totally see you pop rock. Would I
would eat that? Yeah, because I you know, we grew
up on in that era, that Disney rock type of
(07:45):
a fucking yeah, that's where you know rock star came
about too, from that kind of like vibe. Yeah, okay,
I'm not mad at that rock star. And you see
yourself as a rock star, like if you had to
what you mean, like, do you consider yourself a rock Yeah?
But you know my definite you know, I'm not like
a you know it don't give had but it's like
(08:07):
my definition of a rock star, though it may be
a little different from other people. It don't give not
to get hot coke and lines. But yeah, my definition,
my definition of a rock star is more just like
being you just authentically yourself and yeah, do you think
that's a New York thing?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
What being you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, because I feel like all the New York City
rap girls they are very like themselves, very outspoken, like Carney,
very outspoken, Maya, very outspoken.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Like I feel like maybe it's something in the era
up here.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No, No, I feel like, yeah, maybe that's the select feel,
But I don't think everybody's a real last bitch. You're
not gonna act like everybody's a real last bitch or
people want to be getting fucked up every now and
then you feel what I'm saying. So Okay, okay, everybody's
the real last bitch. But but that's the major is
realize Okay, no, not even majority.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But I guess, like you said, this is like few. Okay,
well those are those are the people.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But you see, those are people in the limelight. So
when you look at them date they get the representation
of New York. So you think, okay, all New Yorks
meentures is like this, But no, as you can see,
we got weirdos.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We got girls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So after after like the whole scandal, I feel like
the Internet was like broken into like two. It's like
you're either team whatever or team whatever. But I would say, like,
I think it was a learning lesson for a lot
of new artists who are starting to tour and like
stuff like that. How do you feel in response to
the people who are districtly looking at it from like
(09:42):
a business standpoint. I'm not surprised though, when I when
I decided to duel the parts in the series, I
already knew what was gonna come with it, but I
didn't give a funk.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm saying, like the music industry part, like.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I already knew they was gonna people do people Dick Roten,
and I already knew that. You get what I'm saying,
Like y'all are familiar with one person, and y'all looking
at me like, oh, she's just trying to That's not
the case, cause if you know me, you know I
say what the fuck I want regardless of who's inside
the situation. You know what I'm saying. But I'm not
surprised by people looking at it from that standpoint because
(10:18):
obviously we and her both do music, but.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We were friends.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So it's like, if you want to look at it
like that, that's good for you, baby, But I'm gonna
look at it the same way I told the story.
I felt like my friend did some funny shit. That's
how I told it. I never said, oh, this was
some business shit going on. No, because if it was
some business shit going on, my managers would have been
reached out to from the very beginning instead of you
(10:42):
calling my phone like man, yeah, you see what I'm saying,
and other people was looking like wait, why are you
gonna get paid? Or why you in da da da?
I mean I mentioned those things if you must know,
like those things were mentioned, but when they was mentioned,
it was more so like oh, you know, this is
not only thing that we're getting paid for us or
like a lot of money going into it, a da dah.
(11:04):
So I leveled it out. I'm like, you know what
one my bitch, So I'm gonna do that for you too,
bringing me out that's cute for me. So it was
like I looked at it like that from the jump.
If I wasn't looking at it like that would have
been like where's mine coin, where's my things? Like No,
that wasn't what it was. But regardless of that, that's
(11:25):
really the past for me. I'm just looking forward. I'm
just ready for what the future holds for me? And
you know, from the storm comes to rainbow. So the
rainbow has been the rainbow has been bringing rainbow. I've
just seen your ass everywhere fucking Boston last week, La,
the week before, and I'm like, how does it How
does it feel to be this damn busy now?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like the demand is high?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, the demand is high. But I ain't gonna lie
a bitch been busy. It's just when you have more
eyes on you, it's looking like, oh shit, she's a
busy bitch. No, you just wasn't watching me before. And
that's okay, I look at to watching me now, thank
you very much. But we never gonna take away from
the fact that a bitch been busy for a long time,
for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, and I'm my apologies.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's good, okay, I understand that, but I just have
to clock that intu and remind people whenever they do
forget that part, you know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Search fair enough.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Does does or do you feel like you attack business differently? Now? Definitely, definitely.
So I've always had my select you bitches. You know
what I'm saying. I'm not really looking to be up. No,
like no, you feel me. I really, I'm kind of
(12:42):
distant from that now. And if it's business is business,
and if it's something else, it's something else. But you know,
people are mass the manipulator are still happy thinking one thing.
Both the industry is yes, it's a messy play. I've
learned a lot from the situation and I like that.
For me, that's fine. It was a blessing in disguise,
like I said, so I think we all learned honestly,
Yeah everybody, Oh I didn't even Did you ever get
(13:05):
that lesson for yourself? Like you know that wake up
exactly at the time. Everybody gets that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you feel do you feel or do you see
yourself in the future like ever taking it back to
the internet, or do you like taking it back to
the internet like what like do you see yourself ever
explaining to the internet? Why moving forward in the future.
My thing is, this is what people don't understand, right,
So me me going on the internet and doing all
of that. That's strictly because at that point you tried
(13:33):
to play with me. You get what I'm saying. And
if people actually looked and went into it, you would
see that bitch just tried to play with me in
that message. And that's coming from a friend who I
thought was a friend. So if you try to play
with me like that, boom, And that was like, all right,
stake friend you you wasn't really my friend. All best
is off. If I want, if I feel like doing that,
I feel like doing that. And that's not the That's
(13:55):
not the first time I violated somebody on social media.
That's kind of what a bituals actually, don't. I even
got on Instagram and made videos. It was known for
going on love and violating bitches, keeping it the bean
like that's what I was doing. So people back home
know me for going online and violey and when I
need to. So that's kind of like I feel like, damn,
(14:15):
I'm kind of sad. Yeah, it was okay because at
the end of the day, I feel like people had
to fucking know that. Like I said, we're born truth,
We're both known. She wasn't gonna say shit, I'm gonna
be the one to say something, so arebo I don't care.
I'm like, that's just that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So moving forward, do you think you're gonna continue to do.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like this wave of records, cause it kind of has
like the the Jersey or not even Jersey, more like
what is.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That vogue type sound like house? Yeah? Are you leaning
more into that?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Hour? I love house? I like house music, yeah, because
I first of all, I love the gay community. I
love the lgbt Q plus all of them, love them down.
So making music that caters to them, I love that.
I'm definitely gonna make more of that kind of music.
I'm gonna make more of anything the fuck I want
(15:06):
to make, you know what I'm saying. But I definitely
love that sound. I love that sound, and people should
definitely look forward to more of that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Are we in album mode?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
We're in album mode?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
We are? I got a project on the way EP Okay,
something very cutey before the album okay, And yeah, who
are we.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Working with producer wise to to put this together?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The BP Right now, I'm working with Malcolm Flax and
he produced rock Star. He's the one that created the
rock Star Okay. Yeah, he's really he's really good with
like listening to like the kind of sound I'm trying
to go for because honestly, I want to produce tool.
I want to produce tool, like I be having sounds
in my heads all day, but happen. Malcolm is like
(15:51):
he gets that out for me, you know what I'm saying,
Like he understands. So like when I have something and
I'm like, wait, hold on, this is good, and I
tell him and he executed. Figure that really good.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's good. Good partner to have. Okay, So y'all locked
in with that.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And then for the album, do you already have it
done or is that still like, well, that's not done, Okay,
that's not you have a concept already, or like I
don't have a concept. I don't have a content one
step by the time. Okay, okay, but the E is
coming out this year hopefully, Oh my god, oh my god.
She wants that. I let the demand is dead, I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No pressure because I wanted to be good, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to, but I don't
want to rush.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah yeah, no, don't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But honestly, I feel like by the end of the week,
my EP could be done.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Oh Lloyd, I to be done. Say yet oh oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
The name is super nover Girl.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Cute? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Why why super and over Girl? Well?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It honestly came to me what I'm thinking about? You
have a wat zen on? Yeah, yeah, my heart, Yeah,
that whole I love that whole movie. I feel like
every time I think of that movie, I just think
about my childhood and I'm like, I just want something
out that just makes me think about my childhood. And
I'm like super Nova girl, and Supernova is like a
(17:17):
star that's coming to the end of its life, but
you know, starts getting reborn, so it's like a phoenix.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I like that. I actually really like that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Are you actually sampling from that movie? That would be crazy,
That would be cute. That would that would be crazy.
You know, Hey, I ain't gonna say too much. You
got features surprise. I don't want to say too much
in the studio because I just feel like your energy
is so everywhere, bouncing off the wall.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like what is your recording process?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like I will say, I can't get too high in
a studio or everything. Everything It's clear because raptors that
really can get mad high and shit and really like
me baby get stuck coming out. Like But besides that,
I feel like the process is really cute. I come
there usually with a song already of mine, and then
(18:12):
I just finish it in the song.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I like me a little drink or two one day,
and so that really gets me started. Okay, good drink
or too good to me? Is it the same on stage?
Too well a drinker to get me started? Uh huh No,
I like to be so born stage. Oh okay, yeah
I'm not. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm
not that kind of rock star. Yeah, I don't. I
don't do those things to get on stages. A lot
of people that do those things to get on stage,
(18:35):
but I can't. I can't be shmacked, can't do can't
do no MJ go for a stage or drink. Maybe
a shot right before I get on will be cute,
but I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah you got you got a great stage presence.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Where did you learn that? I've always been a stage girl.
Always I've been, That's what I'm trying to say. But
I've always been like dance screwed you feel me like
all of that step team, all of that. So I've
always been like on stage, like since a child, that
was always my thing. I loved that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Were you in the drama club?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I was? I've been in high school. Yeah, then I
love that. Shit, that's crazy. I just remember that. Do
you see yourself doing like movies TV shows? I've always
wanted to do movies TV shows.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You have a dream roll?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Dream roll? Hmmm, I want to roll that is literally
just like me.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh my god, that'd be fun, like.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Some high school ship.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay, I would love that. That would be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's fun. I feel like you already got that in
real life we watch you.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That would be fun. I want to roll that really
like depicts me as a person. That's just like, oh
but you ate them because it was easy girls me,
it's really me. Okay, I get that, but like a killer.
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Why why?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I don't know. I just wanted to add that, and
they had people confused. Want some Jennifer body ship, but.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Then it's like, is it really her?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is it really her Jennifer Body?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's just the character or what.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But okay, let's play a game called Questions that need answers.
All you gotta do is fim the blak.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, all right, the older I get, the less I.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The older I get, the less I give a fuck.
That just came around naturally, but actually give a fuck,
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Hmm, oh, it makes that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The older I get people that I give a fuck
mm hmm about what it's just have to say about me. Okay,
but you give a fuck more about But I give
a fuck more about the people I love, even though
I always give a fuck about y'all. But as I
get older, it's like I always be thinking about it too.
(20:48):
I was just telling my boyfriend this, I'm like, yo,
I always think about that. Is that weird? I mean,
it's not weird per se, but as I don't know,
I don't know. I don't really like if I'm the
only person I think about that ship all the time.
But why annoying?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Actually, have you just recently gone through it?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Like no, I just think about like living your entire life,
and then it ends have you made your peace with it?
I'm still living, girl.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, I'm saying, have you made your peace with the
fact that at some point? Because some people are like.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, no, it's not like I'm afraid of me dying.
It's like I'm afraid of everybody around me, okay dying,
And it's like I'm just I don't like that feeling.
I'd rather me die first. Before anybody.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I'm thinking the same shit.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Actually, that's my whole thing about that. I'd rather me
take me before. But then it's like, damn, y'all gonna
be sad. You know. I feel you though, because it's
like you love them so much that you are I'm
we gonna go somewhere all together. Are we gonna be together? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But no, you shouldn't be thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Don't even girlss like boo. I know, but I'm just saying, alright, alright,
I'm being real.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I'm real, I'm not bad at it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Okay, So, if you could say three words to your
eighteen year old self, what.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Would it be?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Three words? Lives?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Love?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Laugh, girl, I'm sorry that just came on that. Fuck
your tough response, Okay, three words is like words. Okay, Well,
just if you could talk to your eighteen year OLDLF,
if I can tell my eighteen year old self three
things I would tell her.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, fuck these.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Niggas, no shade, like fuck beads niggas, because they gonna
be on your dick and like just a few more years,
they gonna be on your deck real bad. So just
fuck these niggas, girl, don't stress some okay.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Second thing is stop buying all this shit that you're
not gonna wear more years like, but I mean it
was cute in that moment you looked good, but you
did waste your money. The count make you count, they'll
waste your money. Okay. And three is love yourself. Love
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yourself and don't doubt yourself and don't doubt yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah. I love how she's really talking to her younger self.
She's like the voice, change the tone, change talking to her.
Don't doubt yourself. No, that's great.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
At at what age did you say, like you really
started leaning into like loving yourself more?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Mmm, because you change as a woman like.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You, I would you said yesterday, yesterday, I love myself more?
What having y'all? Loved myself more and more every day period,
And that's just that. I don't know what happened yesterday.
I'm like, what, Oh, I thought that was shape for
a second, But I do. I fall in love with
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myself more and more every day. I look in the mirror,
I'm like, damn, girl, you you and you knew you
because look at your mother and then I look, I'm like,
you're her, So it's like she's her and then I'm
I'm her un I'm her junior.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You feel like you got a responsibility to like wave
the flag for your period. Yeah, I like it. You
would never believe me if I told you. You would
never believe me. If I told you you're not getting
too personal your person here for you would never believe
(24:31):
me if I told you my dog, my very first dog,
he died from choking on a bacon bone.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That was yo, you weren't this morbid shit man? Like
damn really sad?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I went to school. It was third grade and
I went to school, and I was just fucked up
about it. Like the guidance counsel try to make me
feel better about saying, oh my cat dog like bitch
fuck a cat. No, Like it is not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The same bool.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was so fucked up. That made me even more mad, Like, baby,
don't try to prepare like my daughter to your cat.
That's not the same book. So there's that, Okay. Sometimes
I look back at my life, and sometimes I look
back at my life and I think, what the fuck
I've been through so much and people just will have
(25:26):
no idea that I even been through it, because I
just you just don't see it. You just I don't
wear it outside. You feel me. But I've been through
a lot of shit. Are you in therapy? I should
be in therapy. Okay, I should be in therapy. You
see my eye and watery thinking about it? Oh my god,
should i've been through. I'm gonna write a book though,
(25:47):
that's my whole thing. Look, I'm looking to see the
water in my My whole thing is I'm just gonna
because I'm gonna write a book, and the book is
gonna be t so we gotta make coin over that pain.
I think you should you know what I'm saying. Sure,
some people's not gonna like that book either, or it
could be.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
In the damn podcast. I really want you to start
a podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't think I'm gonna put that in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, too deep?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Definitely deeper steeper than deep?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is it like family relationships? Friendships? Book? Okay, you ain't
give me nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Book good?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay? From time to time, it's good to do.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
From time to time, it's good too. It's good to
read some books and work out and nature yourself in
your brain. What you be reading, girl, I'll stop reading
the last book I read was what's this book called?
Oh it was a good one, trying to remember, give
me one, give me one minute, think and grow bridge.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh yeah, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
One.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a great one one.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yes, I like that book.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Are you applying it? Did it makes you like change
your lifestyle at all the time?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah? Definitely. Did I read that book like two or
three years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's a great one. Okay, you read that will.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And there's that. Oh, oh, there's that, there's that Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
My personality trait is.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
My personality trait is outspoken. Yes, I'm very outspoken.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'm gonna say what the fuck I want. I feel
bad for people that aren't outspoken, and they learned to
be say what you want, say whatever you want, even
if nobody gives a fuck, because sometimes nobody gives a
fuck either. But you know, when people give a fucking
make you want to say more shit. That's me. That's
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why I talk so fucking much.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, don't ever change.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We love it. Thank you, yes, Cleo, thank you for
coming shout out your grandma.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Like, everybody know where they can follow you if they
don't already.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Make sure you guys stream everybody a TA It's Cleo
trap Up. Follow me at I Am Cleo trap Up
on everything, Baby, look at music. Everybody ate eight.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Talk soon before you go? What would you say?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's like a certified sleeper that you love listening to,
like ups your spirit, ups my spirit. Damn, I have
so many that's too hard at Definitely, there's so many
songs I just listen to over and over and over
and over and over. I'm just glad like that we
(28:37):
have like streaming services now, because if it was like
a tape or something, it would be done.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Just pick one. It could be new old.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh it's so hard. Can I say an album? Yeah,
I'm like obsessed with Want to Die Forever ever since
I heard it. It's just something that I just can't.
I just it's just so good. It's such a classic.
I love that album.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
She still made it morbid indirectly. That's crazy. That's crazy.
After like the whole scandal, I feel like the Internet
was like broken into like either team whatever or team whatever.
I'm not surprised though, when I decided to do the
parts in the series, I already knew what was gonna
come with it, but I didn't give a fuck. Y'all
are familiar with one person, and y'all looking at me like, oh,
she's just trying to That's not the case, because if
you know me, you know I say what the fuck
(00:21):
I want, regardless of who's inside the situation. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
It's the girl Cleo Trapper and my new single everybody
Ate is out? Now? What's up? Not?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I love?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We need to talk?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's going on? Guys? Now, let's go on here with
another episode.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We need to talk? And today I got a very
special guest in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Cleo Trapper is here. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm doing good, I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good, I'm looking good. Yes you are. You had a
really good year, a great year. Thank you so much. Yes,
And I want to start with I know you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You walked in and said that you were hungry and
here on the nil Swan show. We like to make
sure everybody feels comfortable. All right, So I got your
chicken salad?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You goad ass? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh my god. Wait did you get in like a
sandwich form?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah? Oh you didn't want you wanted a salad.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No, it's okay, I'm hungry. Let me take a bite.
No check, Oh my god, okay, good see I wanted it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I wanted you to feel welcome that. Oh wow, this
is good.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, period good it's on a roll. I don't know,
see reference. I could have asked, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I could have asked, but okay, good see.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I told you it was like it's a like joke,
not hitting, Oh my god, not hitting. It's a man.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh it is I told.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Okay, thank you so much, of course, of course, of course,
but I do want to like commend you on how
you took that moment and turn it into a hit record,
as I should, as God's playing a baby.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You think so, I think so, because obviously it was
meant to do what it did. And you know, but
out of the negative came a positive, and yes, that
is God's Was that your idea to flip it?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Or did somebody like flipp it? Send it? To you,
and you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A lot of people thought it was my idea to
flip it, like baby, I just told the story. You
you you know what I'm saying. But no, the girl
she just made what's her name, DJ Honeybee, she just
made like a remix to it, and people were telling me, girl,
you need to rap on that. I'm like, okay, and
that's what I'm gonna do. And I tore that and
everybody's eating it up and it's doing really good right now,
and I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
For me, it's fire.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, don't don't act like it wouldn't have been a
good idea for you to come up with too, just
because it's a layup.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Why not? No?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, but I wasn't thinking about that, honestly, Like I
from the situation. I ain't think to myself, oh yeah,
I'm about to drop a song about this, Like no,
I really just wanted people to just not connect me
in that way. You know, when people don't know shit,
it's like they'll still be like, Okay, well yeah, when
y'all gonna and I'm just like, all right, here's the story,
so y'all will understand you feel me, and y'all could
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know what's going on, because I really don't. I don't
give a fuck. I'm not one of them people that'll
be like I'm gonna keep it quiet. I'm gonna just
keep it pushing. No, bitch, you violated, and I'm gonna
let everybody know that you violated. Yeah, I'm gonna be
honest the way being my homegirls literally took the time
out and sat and watched the whole thing. We all
are like, and cahoof said, you should start a podcast,
you know, I want to.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Ain't nobody fucking with you a storyteller right now? I
really feel like you just be so good.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, I really want to. I always wanted to do that.
I just feel like I have so it's like so
much on my plate. But I don't mind having podcasts
on the plate. Like it'll be fun and it's really
nothing to me. It's really like it would be easy,
like just tell stories. And cause you're already already traveling,
you're already making music, you're already like run. Yeah, it's
a lot, it's a lot of shit to tell.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
For real, what would you name it?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I would name it? Hm, you already got a name
for her?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh wait, what's the name now you don't get a
nad No, girl.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I I forgot, but yes we did have a name.
Is I beg your party?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I beg your party? Cause that's like something I used
to Actually I do still say it, and like my
videos and stuff, I be like, I beg your party.
That's actually that would that would eat that gotta be
heavy on the priority list for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, Like, no, you're right, it's there. And honestly, even
before like that whole little viral situation, you're already like
viow for your personality, like viral for stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So that's why I feel.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Like, Yeah, and that's not in that kid that will
never fade, you feel me. It's it's that's there. That's
a permanent thing. Looks fade. Everything else fade. Money might
run out too for some, but that personalities there are.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, what what I wanna know?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Like, were you always like this? Did you grow into
this type of woman? Like what is like your villain
origin story? I feel like I was always like this,
you gonna acts pretty much anybody that I've grown up with,
and they always felt like I was gonna be this person.
So I feel like it was always it was always
it's always written for me. I don't know. It's kind
of crazy too, cause it's like, even like growing up,
(05:12):
I always wanted to be like in the front, like
I wanted to be on TV. I wanted to be
known and all this other stuff. But it kind of
like fell into place in its own way, and like
being as like popular as I am just from being myself.
I loved that it played out real right, And after
seeing all that other shit that them kids was going
(05:34):
through on Disney Channel and shit and Nickelodeon and shit
that documentaries, I'm like, wait, hold on, thank you for
not picking me? Yeah, no, for real, it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah. So was it always given rap girly?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I always wrote music, okay, but it didn't give rap
girly until like I turned eighteen nineteen and I can
actually go to the school on my own and be
like I'm about to. But it was kind of like
fueled by like drama at the time. I'm like I'm
feeling this record. I'm like, I'm FeelA make a dish
track which is blowing mine. So that's how it kind
of started. That's like how I went into the studio
(06:10):
and them from there. I was like, Oh this is fun.
Why nobody ever took me here?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You released it?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
This record I did. It was called let It to
My Haters? Let It to My Hater is gonna SoundCloud?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Did it? Did it like spark anything?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It sparked me doing music.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Did the person who you were sending for did they?
Did they receive the song?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean, it wasn't like the person I was sending
for was a rap hole, you know what I'm saying.
So it wasn't gonna give like, oh yeah, this is
rap beef. It really just I just want to release
and say how I feel on a track already be her,
it was neither hear nor the end.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Oh my god. No, you are definitely a personality. Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Though you wrap, you dabble and like sounds that aren't
necessarily under the rap genre.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
What do you attribute that to?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Cause I really love your Miley Cyrus flipped one of
my favorite songs is rock Star I love.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was like, oh, this is tough.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
That that that's like, oh, I feel like that's like
alt rap. But like I honestly like I love music.
So it's like I want to do everything. I want
to do everything. If I could do it, I'm gonna
do it. Yeah, yeah, I love music. Okay, so you
wanna do allt rap? You wanna do country? I know
we're headed like towards like a country.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know what I.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Wouldn't I wouldn't beach. I would have shot away from
country like it's music. M I mean, that wouldn't be
the first thing I would think. Irn B pop rock
for sure. I totally see you pop rock. Would I
would eat that? Yeah, because I you know, we grew
up on in that era, that Disney rock type of
(07:45):
a fucking yeah, that's where you know rock star came
about too, from that kind of like vibe. Yeah, okay,
I'm not mad at that rock star. And you see
yourself as a rock star, like if you had to
what you mean, like, do you consider yourself a rock Yeah?
But you know my definite you know, I'm not like
a you know it don't give had but it's like
(08:07):
my definition of a rock star, though it may be
a little different from other people. It don't give not
to get hot coke and lines. But yeah, my definition,
my definition of a rock star is more just like
being you just authentically yourself and yeah, do you think
that's a New York thing?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
What being you?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, because I feel like all the New York City
rap girls they are very like themselves, very outspoken, like Carney,
very outspoken, Maya, very outspoken.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Like I feel like maybe it's something in the era
up here.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No, No, I feel like, yeah, maybe that's the select feel,
But I don't think everybody's a real last bitch. You're
not gonna act like everybody's a real last bitch or
people want to be getting fucked up every now and
then you feel what I'm saying. So Okay, okay, everybody's
the real last bitch. But but that's the major is
realize Okay, no, not even majority.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But I guess, like you said, this is like few. Okay,
well those are those are the people.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But you see, those are people in the limelight. So
when you look at them date they get the representation
of New York. So you think, okay, all New Yorks
meentures is like this, But no, as you can see,
we got weirdos.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We got girls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So after after like the whole scandal, I feel like
the Internet was like broken into like two. It's like
you're either team whatever or team whatever. But I would say, like,
I think it was a learning lesson for a lot
of new artists who are starting to tour and like
stuff like that. How do you feel in response to
the people who are districtly looking at it from like
(09:42):
a business standpoint. I'm not surprised though, when I when
I decided to duel the parts in the series, I
already knew what was gonna come with it, but I
didn't give a funk.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'm saying, like the music industry part, like.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I already knew they was gonna people do people Dick Roten,
and I already knew that. You get what I'm saying,
Like y'all are familiar with one person, and y'all looking
at me like, oh, she's just trying to That's not
the case, cause if you know me, you know I
say what the fuck I want regardless of who's inside
the situation. You know what I'm saying. But I'm not
surprised by people looking at it from that standpoint because
(10:18):
obviously we and her both do music, but.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We were friends.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So it's like, if you want to look at it
like that, that's good for you, baby, But I'm gonna
look at it the same way I told the story.
I felt like my friend did some funny shit. That's
how I told it. I never said, oh, this was
some business shit going on. No, because if it was
some business shit going on, my managers would have been
reached out to from the very beginning instead of you
(10:42):
calling my phone like man, yeah, you see what I'm saying,
and other people was looking like wait, why are you
gonna get paid? Or why you in da da da?
I mean I mentioned those things if you must know,
like those things were mentioned, but when they was mentioned,
it was more so like oh, you know, this is
not only thing that we're getting paid for us or
like a lot of money going into it, a da dah.
(11:04):
So I leveled it out. I'm like, you know what
one my bitch, So I'm gonna do that for you too,
bringing me out that's cute for me. So it was
like I looked at it like that from the jump.
If I wasn't looking at it like that would have
been like where's mine coin, where's my things? Like No,
that wasn't what it was. But regardless of that, that's
(11:25):
really the past for me. I'm just looking forward. I'm
just ready for what the future holds for me? And
you know, from the storm comes to rainbow. So the
rainbow has been the rainbow has been bringing rainbow. I've
just seen your ass everywhere fucking Boston last week, La,
the week before, and I'm like, how does it How
does it feel to be this damn busy now?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like the demand is high?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, the demand is high. But I ain't gonna lie
a bitch been busy. It's just when you have more
eyes on you, it's looking like, oh shit, she's a
busy bitch. No, you just wasn't watching me before. And
that's okay, I look at to watching me now, thank
you very much. But we never gonna take away from
the fact that a bitch been busy for a long time,
for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, and I'm my apologies.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's good, okay, I understand that, but I just have
to clock that intu and remind people whenever they do
forget that part, you know, because it's.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Search fair enough.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Does does or do you feel like you attack business differently? Now? Definitely, definitely.
So I've always had my select you bitches. You know
what I'm saying. I'm not really looking to be up. No,
like no, you feel me. I really, I'm kind of
(12:42):
distant from that now. And if it's business is business,
and if it's something else, it's something else. But you know,
people are mass the manipulator are still happy thinking one thing.
Both the industry is yes, it's a messy play. I've
learned a lot from the situation and I like that.
For me, that's fine. It was a blessing in disguise,
like I said, so I think we all learned honestly,
Yeah everybody, Oh I didn't even Did you ever get
(13:05):
that lesson for yourself? Like you know that wake up
exactly at the time. Everybody gets that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Do you feel do you feel or do you see
yourself in the future like ever taking it back to
the internet, or do you like taking it back to
the internet like what like do you see yourself ever
explaining to the internet? Why moving forward in the future.
My thing is, this is what people don't understand, right,
So me me going on the internet and doing all
of that. That's strictly because at that point you tried
(13:33):
to play with me. You get what I'm saying. And
if people actually looked and went into it, you would
see that bitch just tried to play with me in
that message. And that's coming from a friend who I
thought was a friend. So if you try to play
with me like that, boom, And that was like, all right,
stake friend you you wasn't really my friend. All best
is off. If I want, if I feel like doing that,
I feel like doing that. And that's not the That's
(13:55):
not the first time I violated somebody on social media.
That's kind of what a bituals actually, don't. I even
got on Instagram and made videos. It was known for
going on love and violating bitches, keeping it the bean
like that's what I was doing. So people back home
know me for going online and violey and when I
need to. So that's kind of like I feel like, damn,
(14:15):
I'm kind of sad. Yeah, it was okay because at
the end of the day, I feel like people had
to fucking know that. Like I said, we're born truth,
We're both known. She wasn't gonna say shit, I'm gonna
be the one to say something, so arebo I don't care.
I'm like, that's just that.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So moving forward, do you think you're gonna continue to do.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like this wave of records, cause it kind of has
like the the Jersey or not even Jersey, more like
what is.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That vogue type sound like house? Yeah? Are you leaning
more into that?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Hour? I love house? I like house music, yeah, because
I first of all, I love the gay community. I
love the lgbt Q plus all of them, love them down.
So making music that caters to them, I love that.
I'm definitely gonna make more of that kind of music.
I'm gonna make more of anything the fuck I want
(15:06):
to make, you know what I'm saying. But I definitely
love that sound. I love that sound, and people should
definitely look forward to more of that.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Are we in album mode?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
We're in album mode?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
We are? I got a project on the way EP Okay,
something very cutey before the album okay, And yeah, who
are we.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Working with producer wise to to put this together?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
The BP Right now, I'm working with Malcolm Flax and
he produced rock Star. He's the one that created the
rock Star Okay. Yeah, he's really he's really good with
like listening to like the kind of sound I'm trying
to go for because honestly, I want to produce tool.
I want to produce tool, like I be having sounds
in my heads all day, but happen. Malcolm is like
(15:51):
he gets that out for me, you know what I'm saying,
Like he understands. So like when I have something and
I'm like, wait, hold on, this is good, and I
tell him and he executed. Figure that really good.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's good. Good partner to have. Okay, So y'all locked
in with that.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And then for the album, do you already have it
done or is that still like, well, that's not done, Okay,
that's not you have a concept already, or like I
don't have a concept. I don't have a content one
step by the time. Okay, okay, but the E is
coming out this year hopefully, Oh my god, oh my god.
She wants that. I let the demand is dead, I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No pressure because I wanted to be good, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to, but I don't
want to rush.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah yeah, no, don't.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
But honestly, I feel like by the end of the week,
my EP could be done.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Oh Lloyd, I to be done. Say yet oh oh yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
The name is super nover Girl.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Cute? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Why why super and over Girl? Well?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It honestly came to me what I'm thinking about? You
have a wat zen on? Yeah, yeah, my heart, Yeah,
that whole I love that whole movie. I feel like
every time I think of that movie, I just think
about my childhood and I'm like, I just want something
out that just makes me think about my childhood. And
I'm like super Nova girl, and Supernova is like a
(17:17):
star that's coming to the end of its life, but
you know, starts getting reborn, so it's like a phoenix.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I like that. I actually really like that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Are you actually sampling from that movie? That would be crazy,
That would be cute. That would that would be crazy.
You know, Hey, I ain't gonna say too much. You
got features surprise. I don't want to say too much
in the studio because I just feel like your energy
is so everywhere, bouncing off the wall.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like what is your recording process?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like I will say, I can't get too high in
a studio or everything. Everything It's clear because raptors that
really can get mad high and shit and really like
me baby get stuck coming out. Like But besides that,
I feel like the process is really cute. I come
there usually with a song already of mine, and then
(18:12):
I just finish it in the song.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I like me a little drink or two one day,
and so that really gets me started. Okay, good drink
or too good to me? Is it the same on stage?
Too well a drinker to get me started? Uh huh No,
I like to be so born stage. Oh okay, yeah
I'm not. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm
not that kind of rock star. Yeah, I don't. I
don't do those things to get on stages. A lot
of people that do those things to get on stage,
(18:35):
but I can't. I can't be shmacked, can't do can't
do no MJ go for a stage or drink. Maybe
a shot right before I get on will be cute,
but I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah you got you got a great stage presence.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Where did you learn that? I've always been a stage girl.
Always I've been, That's what I'm trying to say. But
I've always been like dance screwed you feel me like
all of that step team, all of that. So I've
always been like on stage, like since a child, that
was always my thing. I loved that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Were you in the drama club?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I was? I've been in high school. Yeah, then I
love that. Shit, that's crazy. I just remember that. Do
you see yourself doing like movies TV shows? I've always
wanted to do movies TV shows.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You have a dream roll?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Dream roll? Hmmm, I want to roll that is literally
just like me.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh my god, that'd be fun, like.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Some high school ship.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I would love that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay, I would love that. That would be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's fun. I feel like you already got that in
real life we watch you.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That would be fun. I want to roll that really
like depicts me as a person. That's just like, oh
but you ate them because it was easy girls me,
it's really me. Okay, I get that, but like a killer.
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Why why?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I don't know. I just wanted to add that, and
they had people confused. Want some Jennifer body ship, but.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Then it's like, is it really her?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Is it really her Jennifer Body?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's just the character or what.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
But okay, let's play a game called Questions that need answers.
All you gotta do is fim the blak.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, all right, the older I get, the less I.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The older I get, the less I give a fuck.
That just came around naturally, but actually give a fuck,
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Hmm, oh, it makes that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The older I get people that I give a fuck
mm hmm about what it's just have to say about me. Okay,
but you give a fuck more about But I give
a fuck more about the people I love, even though
I always give a fuck about y'all. But as I
get older, it's like I always be thinking about it too.
(20:48):
I was just telling my boyfriend this, I'm like, yo,
I always think about that. Is that weird? I mean,
it's not weird per se, but as I don't know,
I don't know. I don't really like if I'm the
only person I think about that ship all the time.
But why annoying?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Actually, have you just recently gone through it?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Like no, I just think about like living your entire life,
and then it ends have you made your peace with it?
I'm still living, girl.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
No, I'm saying, have you made your peace with the
fact that at some point? Because some people are like.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, no, it's not like I'm afraid of me dying.
It's like I'm afraid of everybody around me, okay dying,
And it's like I'm just I don't like that feeling.
I'd rather me die first. Before anybody.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I'm thinking the same shit.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Actually, that's my whole thing about that. I'd rather me
take me before. But then it's like, damn, y'all gonna
be sad. You know. I feel you though, because it's
like you love them so much that you are I'm
we gonna go somewhere all together. Are we gonna be together? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
But no, you shouldn't be thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Don't even girlss like boo. I know, but I'm just saying, alright, alright,
I'm being real.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I'm real, I'm not bad at it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Okay, So, if you could say three words to your
eighteen year old self, what.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Would it be?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Three words? Lives?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Love?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Laugh, girl, I'm sorry that just came on that. Fuck
your tough response, Okay, three words is like words. Okay, Well,
just if you could talk to your eighteen year OLDLF,
if I can tell my eighteen year old self three
things I would tell her.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, fuck these.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Niggas, no shade, like fuck beads niggas, because they gonna
be on your dick and like just a few more years,
they gonna be on your deck real bad. So just
fuck these niggas, girl, don't stress some okay.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Second thing is stop buying all this shit that you're
not gonna wear more years like, but I mean it
was cute in that moment you looked good, but you
did waste your money. The count make you count, they'll
waste your money. Okay. And three is love yourself. Love
(23:07):
yourself and don't doubt yourself and don't doubt yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah. I love how she's really talking to her younger self.
She's like the voice, change the tone, change talking to her.
Don't doubt yourself. No, that's great.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
At at what age did you say, like you really
started leaning into like loving yourself more?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Mmm, because you change as a woman like.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You, I would you said yesterday, yesterday, I love myself more?
What having y'all? Loved myself more and more every day period,
And that's just that. I don't know what happened yesterday.
I'm like, what, Oh, I thought that was shape for
a second, But I do. I fall in love with
(23:54):
myself more and more every day. I look in the mirror,
I'm like, damn, girl, you you and you knew you
because look at your mother and then I look, I'm like,
you're her, So it's like she's her and then I'm
I'm her un I'm her junior.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You feel like you got a responsibility to like wave
the flag for your period. Yeah, I like it. You
would never believe me if I told you. You would
never believe me. If I told you you're not getting
too personal your person here for you would never believe
(24:31):
me if I told you my dog, my very first dog,
he died from choking on a bacon bone.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That was yo, you weren't this morbid shit man? Like
damn really sad?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
And I went to school. It was third grade and
I went to school, and I was just fucked up
about it. Like the guidance counsel try to make me
feel better about saying, oh my cat dog like bitch
fuck a cat. No, Like it is not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The same bool.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was so fucked up. That made me even more mad, Like, baby,
don't try to prepare like my daughter to your cat.
That's not the same book. So there's that, Okay. Sometimes
I look back at my life, and sometimes I look
back at my life and I think, what the fuck
I've been through so much and people just will have
(25:26):
no idea that I even been through it, because I
just you just don't see it. You just I don't
wear it outside. You feel me. But I've been through
a lot of shit. Are you in therapy? I should
be in therapy. Okay, I should be in therapy. You
see my eye and watery thinking about it? Oh my god,
should i've been through. I'm gonna write a book though,
(25:47):
that's my whole thing. Look, I'm looking to see the
water in my My whole thing is I'm just gonna
because I'm gonna write a book, and the book is
gonna be t so we gotta make coin over that pain.
I think you should you know what I'm saying. Sure,
some people's not gonna like that book either, or it
could be.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
In the damn podcast. I really want you to start
a podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't think I'm gonna put that in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, too deep?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Definitely deeper steeper than deep?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Is it like family relationships? Friendships? Book? Okay, you ain't
give me nothing.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Book good?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Okay? From time to time, it's good to do.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
From time to time, it's good too. It's good to
read some books and work out and nature yourself in
your brain. What you be reading, girl, I'll stop reading
the last book I read was what's this book called?
Oh it was a good one, trying to remember, give
me one, give me one minute, think and grow bridge.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Oh yeah, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
One.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a great one one.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yes, I like that book.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Are you applying it? Did it makes you like change
your lifestyle at all the time?
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah? Definitely. Did I read that book like two or
three years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's a great one. Okay, you read that will.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
And there's that. Oh, oh, there's that, there's that Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
My personality trait is.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
My personality trait is outspoken. Yes, I'm very outspoken.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'm gonna say what the fuck I want. I feel
bad for people that aren't outspoken, and they learned to
be say what you want, say whatever you want, even
if nobody gives a fuck, because sometimes nobody gives a
fuck either. But you know, when people give a fucking
make you want to say more shit. That's me. That's
(27:49):
why I talk so fucking much.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, don't ever change.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
We love it. Thank you, yes, Cleo, thank you for
coming shout out your grandma.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Like, everybody know where they can follow you if they
don't already.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Make sure you guys stream everybody a TA It's Cleo
trap Up. Follow me at I Am Cleo trap Up
on everything, Baby, look at music. Everybody ate eight.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Talk soon before you go? What would you say?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's like a certified sleeper that you love listening to,
like ups your spirit, ups my spirit. Damn, I have
so many that's too hard at Definitely, there's so many
songs I just listen to over and over and over
and over and over. I'm just glad like that we
(28:37):
have like streaming services now, because if it was like
a tape or something, it would be done.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Just pick one. It could be new old.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh it's so hard. Can I say an album? Yeah,
I'm like obsessed with Want to Die Forever ever since
I heard it. It's just something that I just can't.
I just it's just so good. It's such a classic.
I love that album.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
She still made it morbid indirectly. That's crazy. That's crazy.
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