April 14, 2025 • 52 mins
On this episode of We Need To Talk, Nyla Symone sits down with the legendary Smif-N-Wessun for a powerful conversation that bridges hip-hop’s golden era and the present day. Celebrating the release of their new project Infinityand the 30th anniversary of their classic album The Shinin’, the duo reflects on life in 90s Brooklyn, the energy of the era, and how the streets shaped their sound. They open up about their creative process, the influence of storytelling in their music, and the changes in both hip-hop culture and community safety over the years. With honesty and love for the craft, they discuss what it means to grow independently, carry the legacy of iconic labels, and stay rooted in a culture that continues to evolve. This episode is a celebration of resilience, reflection, and the power of passing wisdom to the next generation. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Growing up on your moan and yours. I'm trying to
get it down with you.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
We'll get your boys know what's.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Your girl?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Money long and you need to talk my girl.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
In the nineties, it was dangerous and exciting. Like now
it's just skilled cameras.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
After my first rap check, I.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Never got another one.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right, so what are we competing for? All right?
Why did you just buy that bottle and to pour
it on the floor?
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Just now I understand her Instagram?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Okay, that was that was okay?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right, a little my little friend. We used to
have a saying call yo, just a little bit higher,
but we were talking about just a little bit higher.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
Yeah, before we had content.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We can have a conversation without having a competition.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Mmmm, why you like?
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Here, what's happening? What's happening? Is tech is still representing
balked tone?
Speaker 8 (02:14):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Go get that new project infinity A yo, Nyla, we
need to talk.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
What's good?
Speaker 7 (02:21):
What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 8 (02:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's on here with another episode of We need to Talk.
I just say a special episode. We need to talk
because I have some legends in the building. We got
Smith and Wesson here.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
How are you going?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What's happening? Yo?
Speaker 7 (02:33):
I'm so happy to have y'all on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, it's a blessing. Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Of course we run all my fish.
Speaker 8 (02:42):
This is real, this is what catch.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
No singing Frank Ocean was amazing. That is totally being
included in the interview.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
He didn't catch it.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
We didn't catch it. At the Frank.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
He was recording that, Come on, tell me, was recording that.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
How are y'all feeling amazing?
Speaker 8 (03:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Feeling well?
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Then?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I'm good y'all got a new project out Infinity.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
What made you guys want to drop now?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
We actually wanted to drop in before COVID, but due
to circumstances and things. I mean, it's God's speed, It's
God's timing, you know. For us, it's it's been a
blessing because like we've learned too. Why that's saying patience
is a virtue is true to statement because we had
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the stuff we had gained afterwards, it's perfect for us.
And then being in to drop at this time thirty
years celebrating the shining, so we coincide and then you know,
even down to our artwork.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So just talking about the continuation of the journey.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
I did not know this was thirty years or the shining.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Wait, you dropped it on the same day or just
the same year. You're saying, it's the thirty years the.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Same year with the single out the same the same
the same days. And we did a show, a performance, uh,
commemorating that project on that day. So I mean to us,
you know, in the human world, we was dropped it
right there on that day. But it's like, you know,
(04:41):
God's speed again the most like relax, let the shining
breathe perform that. Let everybody who was around and those
new ones that's trying to get on board, let them,
how you say, embrace that and then something new. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
So it's a great set up for us because we
still have.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No that's smart one feet to the other. I want
to get into infinity before I get into the shine.
And I wasn't expecting to have that brought up so soon.
But the features on this crazy and stacked Ralph Ralph Tresmont.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Now sweater.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
If this is who I think it is, this is
a new person, right producer out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I just met him in Brooklyn. I'm sorry, so I
just assumed that. But Prodigy Conway the machine too many people,
but talk to me I'm interested in Sweater just because
he's one of the newer people that's on here.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
How'd you guys connect with him?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Sweater was from a man, our brother, Ninth Wonder. That's uh,
he's signed to ninth that's a new artist that he's
working with. And Sweater is a dope young and that's
taking it, taking it by their horns right now. And
you can see he added some joints. And that's our
brother who's transcended from the boot camp helped the Skelter
(06:18):
Sean price. Of course, our brother prodig you rest in
peace and everything is is a family affair, from Conway
to Pharaoh to Sweater. So to miss JULYSSA, thank you.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Who else produced on this project?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, the Ninth Wonder is a whole conglomerate of different
super producers, which is like soundtracks E Jones, Crisis Cash,
Who else am I missing? Not from v A, So
they they got they heavy hitting over there.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's who did the Black Imminence joint?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
M okay, And then how long did you guys take,
you guys to put this project together?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Like, what was the process initially?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Initially we went down there. Yeah, Carolina. Yeah, we went
to Raleigh. Knife picked us up from the airport and
he was excited, and you know, we were just talking
about what we was gonna do in the car and
we drove. I'm not mistaken. We drove straight to the studio, right.
I don't think we worked that day first, the very
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first year. We went straight to the studio and just
the vibe. I mean, the studio is like going to
the apartment.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
His spaces is the couch and watched some television. We
could sit and eat some Bowl Jangles. I think we
went to Bowl Jangles first.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
We got.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Breakfast, flying biscuit.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Lying, flying biscuit.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, we was in the flying biscuit. Okay, but it
was it was great. The weather was beautiful. It's a
different change from New York. So the vibe was already
different for us. And they they received us with open arms.
So we came there. We had blank campus. We had
no plan, no idea, we'd nothing, no no agenda. We
(08:10):
listened to the music, listen to what it said to us.
We got right to recording when we could. The first
probably three or four joints didn't make the cut, and
I can't tell you what they're called. But the process
of the process, you know, and it's great to kind
of filter it out and they go, wow, this is
all right. Now I see where it's going. And a
lot of credit has to go to Knife Wonder. That's
(08:31):
why we say Knife Wonder and the Soul Council because
he orchestrates these things. He curates it in a way
where it's like he has a higher understanding and.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Call him the Jedi.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
That's fire a.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Lot of these features and the production on the largest scale,
he produces like a Doctor Dre type of vibe. He
produces the whole probably.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
He's in you know, nice.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So with that, y'all, first time back recording together, was
it in Carolina or you guys are still like actively in.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
As far as us n we record, we record quite
a bit together, Like we knock out features, we do
dub plates that come through. And we had just came
off of another album to all that also was produced
by nine Wandering the Soul Cancil. So this was this
was a hat trick for us to triple fact.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Yeah, for us, like the first time we went we
went there in three three installments, right the first time
we went through and once we got repped up, I
think we banged out like eleven songs, so we was hot.
We was like, yo, we're gonna drop it top of
the year, right, and the top of the year, like
some madness happened in COVID or something like that. We
had a tour schedule. We're gonna do it, still shining
(09:41):
and all of these type of things. A lot of
things happened, were shut down, so it was stress, it
was pressure. And then I think towards the end of
the year we went back out.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We was like, all right, we're gonna need to do
some more work, some more songs or whatever the case
may be. And then we banged out another probably like seven, right,
So it's a different energy after being held up for
that time and going back and then it's like, all right,
we've made I think at that time that's when we
made like elephant in the room and chut.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
We came with a different vibe.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
So and then we was like, you know, we still
was planning and we had these different things we wanted
to do. We want to you know, line it up.
But again, this is how it is, how it worked out.
So it's great.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'm a fan, I'm going to ask some questions about
the Shining. What is it about the album that makes
it a underground classic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
The beats, the beats, it's not just uh drums, beats,
it's a vibe, you know, and the lyrics accommodate the
sound to to beat. Minus mister wall Evil, you know,
and the rest of the guys that was part of
the team at the time, Like these guys created a
sound like this underground basement my food sound. And then
(11:00):
it's also how New York sounds. New York is noisy,
it's like abstract, it's direct, it's all these different things.
And that was created in the climate when a lot
of things was going on in ninety five, ninety four,
ninety five, but they.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Was kind of what calling the Golden years of hip hops.
So for sure it was it was incredible albums dropping.
I think everything that might have dropped in ninety five
has been labeled a classic.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And yeah, we might be racid from the east to
the west, but you know, we was able to coming
straight from where we was coming from the streets primarily
and bringing that poetry like so we had no knowledge
of being stars like rap stars. We were just were
talking about what we were talking about, what we knew,
the community stuff and was going on the hood and
(11:46):
I experience over those type of peas, so it's like
a marriage.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And it was like after that was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So I want to know about the day you guys
created Bucktown? Where were you you? How who introduced the beat?
Like the kitchen literally weated the.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Song the song. We was in the kitchen when we
wrote the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Whose kitchen We might have been in the basement of
Uncle Drake for the Rest in Peace when we came.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Up with no I'm talking about the song.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When we recorded and there, oh yeah, that song in
the kitchen, delivering in.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
The kitchen, in the basement, in his kitchen, full basement kitchen.
So we was writing our lyrics in the kitchen literally.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
On other album covers, that was the whole walls.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
For the album. The concept was to come up with
an anthem, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
We was We was like, you know, listening to guys
like Onyx and and know by Nature, and it's like, yeah,
we need an anthem and calling responses is normally the
way to go. But before that we messed up probably
like two three times. And that was like recognized was great,
but it's like it wasn't kind of hitting, Like, how
do you want to about the cast?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Still nothing more but the money.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We were trying to go with these calling responses and
it's like, I, that's that's cool, but it's not that
we came with a buck time like ooh and and
and also again under the tutelage of mister walk because
as Ebu d was on the road with Black Moon
at the time, and so he took us under the
crib and rest in peace, Mama do guard who allowed
us to come into space.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
He was like, yeah, that's you know. We we fished
around until we found it, till we till we got
it right.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Let's talk about sound boul Burial. I want to know
the origin story behind that one too.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sound Boy Barrier. We lucked up on that one because
that was a beat. Again the beat miners had gave
to Helter Skelter and they didn't like to beat. They
didn't want to beat, so they kind of chucked it
to the side and h we was like, yo, let
us get that once. We heard it again in the
kitchen Bushwick in the freezing winter time. We put our
(14:09):
our pins to the pad, and that's what we came
up with, sound Boy Burial.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
What made you guys do two different versions because there's
two versions of it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
A sound Boy I think what really made us do
a second version because we had to edit the first one.
It was kind of too raunchy for people rubbing people
the wrong way. So we learned from our big little brother, Buckshot,
where you do a clean version. He would go in
and almost do a completely new song with new lyrics
(14:40):
and everything, and we just kind of picked that work
ethic up and he actually produced the remix with a
sound boy joint and then they both was on track,
Big Up Black of Jaddne, Black Hearted Scavenger.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
How would you guys say street culture influenced your storytelling?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean one hundred percent, one thousand percent really, because
that's coming from being young knuckleheads in the street, running
with decept cars and being just from Brooklyn, traveling from
Brooklyn to Manhattan and high schools and Hell's Kitchen. That's
that's what our life was. That's I mean, you know,
it's it's what shape does have made us to the
men we are today. So just being able to be
(15:24):
able to tell that story from our point of view,
it was easier to relate to our peers because as
we was coming up, we was looking at these rapper dudes,
but we didn't know any of them. We wasn't really
they wasn't coming reportant to us. So when it was
our turn, we just you know, followed the footsteps being
students of the game.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think that was just by add on.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
That was a great question because it just made me think, Like,
It's why I like doing interviews, because it makes you
think about what even whit he thinks about that?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Street culture, how how much does it influence That's like
really though, because like this gentleman, it grows up in
a family of musicians, So how much did that influence?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:08):
And then like before we even get to the street park,
what are we doing now?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
In hindsight, like my moms.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Influenced me, my pops influenced me, and then like being
like a recluse in the crib, the trauma, abusive home, alcoholism,
drug addiction, all that influenced me before I even got outside,
you know. And then I get to talk about these
things and like true experiences, right, and then we start
(16:39):
to go and walk with this and the street culture
is obviously there because we're in the street, we're going
to school, back and forth, and it's like it's all encompassing.
It's when it's symbiatic relationship. But I think that when
we sit in our rooms, that's where we really.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Get to like process it all right in that silence.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
It's a blessing to be able to output it healthy
way right, and people are receiving and go yo, world,
I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
That fam yo.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Preachy and right right, this is what you add.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Right, pay attention to that.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And then it's it's it's an education lesson for us
to leave the hood and go somewhere like somewhere simple
like a Seattle. Right, We've never been there, and like
what is that culture?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Like? Like what is that street culture?
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Like?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Then they go they be like wow, this is similar
to so you know, it's like okay, so we open
up the veilers down and we can build and then
see what they really have.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The saying of Bucktown is everywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Right ah.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I like that, And I love how reflection like is
like the decompressing put in it in the music. What
was the energy like in Brooklyn specifically, uh, New York
in the nineties. It's so much different now just going
to Brooklyn in general obvious, you know, way more gentrified.
But like you know what, I like the fact about
(18:07):
classic albums you feel like you're in that world. Like
I feel like I was there in the nineties. But
just in comparison to like Brooklyn in the nineties, Brooklyn
rap scene in the nineties, compared to it now, what's
the difference.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
No, you just said it. Yeah, like that feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But Brooklyn has always been such a huge melting pot.
You got every race, every ethnicicity, ethnicity. Yeah, you got
everything in Brooklyn that you would need to grow. I
mean you have your white you have your Jews, Yeah,
your Jamaicans, you have your Panamanians, and they're all We're
(18:47):
all like right on top of each other.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, exactly when I used to have the Eastern Parkway
Day parades. This was crazy back in the nineties. This
was Ocean iv in. They rocks. So the hip hop
was was so.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Alive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It was electrifying. Now because you us, when I say
you us, we're in the game now, so we actually
seeing what's going on and we're around those other piers
that's coming out and rocking, and it's it's a whole
different atmosphere now. So when you go from now to today, now,
I think today is a little bit more because so
(19:28):
many artists has been coming out since over the years,
and again it is like nine billion people in the city,
so everyone is a little bit more accessible. Back then,
you couldn't just pop out and see a teching still
on your block unless we was hanging out in that
certain area or whatever the case. But now it's a
little bit more. You got reachable social media. You see
(19:51):
people here, they putting their locations, so you could just
shoot there and you're right there.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I missed that. I missed the I missed the Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
In the nineties, it was dangerous and fun, that's what
you missed.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
That.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, no, but now it's just scary, you know what
I'm saying, Like it was dangerous and exciting, Like now it's.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Just scary cameras, camera people stepping out of the dark crevices.
It's like, you know what I'm saying, Like it's scary.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Like it's like, yo, you don't even have to have
like people would rob you before, like people people would
rob you before. Now people just kill you, right, Like
what what Jay said and don't want.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
To rob they just want to kill you. They record,
So it's scary.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's like to know to no benefit, you know, like
when we lose that, when we lose the purpose and
we have an intent to not benefit, Like that's scary,
you know. So I missed like being able to go.
I knew it was dangerous. Somebody might have got stabbed
like at the at the at the parade, but.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
You know that junction, you know, flat in junction.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
It was wild.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It was like right now, like dudes is a McDonald's
and it's like yo, like three people get blown away
because like the intent is different right now.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's crazy not to cut your wisdom. I was just
watching the news. They're checking your ID to get into McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
See that's wrongs is crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I bet I don't go there anymore. It's bad enough.
They got nineteens in.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The French and went over like like church, and I
want to say.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, they started, they're gonna start there. But that's how y'all,
that's how the Waiian's got it.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
You gotta hide, y'all.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's not fun like you, that's fun to you to
hote up the spot where you can't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Go no more like you missed them.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
We had dangerous clubs like the Tunnel. It was dangerous, like,
but we all wanted to go. It was it was
dangerous stuff like we was going on a prison visit.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Right. They was like yo, my nuts yo yo.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, like every man and women like so, but we
still went in there, you know, performed in there.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You was, this isn't it you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
So it was like we flocked to that like and
it was like yeah it was And that was just
one you know, it was like I remember seeing outside, right, Yeah,
we go to these but but you know.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It wasn't scary, right, were going there like wow, this
is it's hot here. Yo, it's man, you know it's
crazy yo, yo, this is dope.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And you know, we had a club that we would
go to with this is where the rappers were convenient
called the Lions.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Then like that sounds dangerous.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Lions that you're going in the Lions then yeah, you know,
let's go to the Lions. Then the night and you
see all these different underground rappers and all these like geniuses,
these these aspiring geniuses.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
They're like, you know, it's just exciting.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Now you go to places and everybody is like, yo,
they either your jewelry gotta be bigger than his jewelry.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Even the females like what are we talking about? Like?
Why is what?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What is? What are we competing for? Because all y'all
look beautiful. Let's let's be clear. Yo, you look fly,
You look fly? All right, so what are we competing for?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
All right? Why did you just buy that bottle and
poured it on the floor?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Just now, I understand Instagram?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, that was that was okay? All right, cool, I
get it. Now you gotta now and everybody's slipping somebody
on boot and now you got a p P P
or a p P Y'll help your film?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Is your help?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Take this flick? Bro?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We're working hashtag were working?
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Not for real though, No, y'all not lying.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I'm not saying for Instagram is right either, That's not
what I'm saying. But what is something about like the
nineties you wish the new generation could experience, you know,
within our round?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's a great question.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I mean, man, it's like the food, even our junk
food was better.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
What like a kick cat? You know what I'm saying,
Like taste horrible.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Don't do that things that have been some manufactured so
many different times that they like, you don't know what
you're eating right now, like even even a garbage is garbage.
Like right now, it's like now we're counting the colors,
collar bars on the on the on the fruit, like
we are messed up, like not eating trash right now,
like you like, come on, man, like we like we
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still survived. I gotta mean something, you know, I mean,
were still some of us are still here unless we
inhale some dope or something.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And it's like, yo, you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Just well some looked crazy like that was around like
let's keep it a hunted like people was our error
was like.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Dude, it was you know what I'm saying smoking, Some
was and some wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Some some was getting tricked out of they said was
getting tricked out and some thought it was cool.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Look at this error. Look what these guys are doing,
like yo, it's cool to go just we used to
have a saying call yo, just a little bit higher.
But we were talking about just a.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Little bit higher before we had content just to get
a little but okay, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
We were from the hood. We didn't we did. We
had no access.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well I ain't gonna say that we had access to stuff,
but our choice was marijuana, right, And but I think
it was hot boxing and we ain't. I ain't never
heard no hot box until I got in the industry,
and I hear people talk about hot box.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Maybe that's something with we was doing that.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
The closet were doing the most dumbest things, right, Just
seven guys in the closet, like people were passing out everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
That was funny.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Seven seven people, seven bloods going around.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That's about it, right, that's a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
That's a lot mercy.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Y'all was just a little bit hard.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Now it makes.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
This is this is smoking out of Dutch masters and
white eye, no paper planes.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
And if you open that door, you had to get out.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You might get might but needs to.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Get out at the seven blesbean passed around.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yes, Now I think y'all ain't got as good sunflower seeds. Yeah,
y'all got disgusting flavors and all this that I've been
hearing a cream and ranch out of nowhere. It was
just original sunflower seeds.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Wait, no, you're being serious about some flower seeds.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Oh, I thought you was using that as a as
like a PC way of saying tree like but okay, okay, okay, no.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
We still got that, but now we got notch.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That is crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I'm a fan. I'm a fan of it all. Don't
know mind me. I gotta big back sometimes.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
But okay. What does it feel like to be a
part of two iconic labels?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Two iconic labels?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It feels regular regular, well, because it's all you know, nah, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Just like we built this sh you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It's like we're not celebrating, going, Hey, we got the
champagne in the back, like it's us working, you know,
Salute the Jew, Salute the Noah, Salute to the queen's
cynical smith, queens, get the money, salute the zenobia like
everybody is working and you know, it's tough, but it
feels good because we know what we what we're working towards,
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and we know what we're working for and who we're
working for, and it gives us an opportunity to appreciate
the relationships.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And it also gives you a little gives you a
little edge up on what's out there because now you've
been around for so many years, Like you said, two
different labels. Now you know every mistake is not unavoidable,
but you know there's some that you can avoid and
you know which way to turn or you can not
do this or do that more and not do this
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lesson do so it helps you on your mental ground
for front as well.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Also, Yeah, we learned independently, like we was doing independent
stuff when we first came into the game. So I
respect the independent the youngest that's doing it right now,
because it's great to have the overhead of like these corporations.
But you need to know that you are the walking,
breathing media. You are the into, you are the property
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that's you. You are the wealth, you're the value, You're
the gym. And of course they can they have the
great relationships to get you exposed, but don't sell your
intellectual property for that. Like you're a cloud chaser, like
I don't care on what level it is. That's the
same thing like don't don't disrespect Mighty on the level
of Instagram because you on the red carpet, like we
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we came from a place where we grew this content
from where right, and then we can barter that later
on we find out that we can bother that as
opposed to just going like take me here and have
and keep my content. Like a lot of artists, we
keep hearing these nightmare stories of artists now fighting for
this stuff, you know, and then we like fast forward
(29:27):
to this day we hear about artists getting their stuff,
or we celebrate those those stories like why.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Are you holding my stuff for these many years?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Anyway, Like you made the money over and over and
over again, and it's good to look forward to having
something that you can pass on that's more than just
having a record out.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's legacy. Now some of us are having kids, kids
having kids.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah, I do love that for us.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I do.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
I feel like hip hop at least for me.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I feel like it's like a one big extended family tree.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Absolutely, and it opens so many different doors, Like you
can start out as an MC or a DJ and
just put your family on, or you could just put
your mind to out of and get behind the camera
or the computers, the engineer board. It's very vast business.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We was in when we was in North Carolina. We
should get Krispy Kreme donuts, Like I don't eat that up.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Here, I know, But I know you were talking about Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, so it's a different whole different scene. And then
I ain't know about the light when the light come on,
that's me.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
So it's like like Tech has a line where he says,
I feel new, like the reboard fresh, like with the
Krispy Kree donors with the light on. So it's like
when you asked me how I feel, that's how I feel,
you know, I feel new. I get to meet new
people like I don't want you to be like this
old head old music, like this is something that you
can vibe to.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
All right, So we could talk, right, we can. We
can party together, we can enjoy it like we didn't have.
Like my father didn't put me on the rap.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
My father put me onto the stuff that would soon
become rap later on.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But I had to find this on my own. But
our conversation still has yet to be had. Right, we
can we can build here. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I feel No.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
No, I really love that, because that's all I'm trying
to do as well.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, well you're doing a great job, you know what
I'm saying and connecting with.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, my dad definitely put me onto rap. I feel
like people be like that question that's like when did
you fall in love with hip hop? And it be
like I feel like I was born into it, you know,
getting drove to school where listening to Kanye fifty J.
You know what I'm saying, not this classic there was
no other lifestyle that's.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Dope because we've been picking up on that at our
shows lately, like it's been a generation outpour and you
see the father and a son or a mother and
a daughter between thirties to fifties or sixties even older,
but the son or daughter is like sixteen, seventeen and
the twenties, and just to see they mesmerize and into
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the music. Not just here because my mom brought here whatever, whatever,
but they're really into what's going down and they're following
and knowing it as that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Now I'm so here for it.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think we need to see more of it, like
more of the bridge being Bill. My dad used to
be like, yo, if you don't know the words to this,
you can't get a d ride to school, you know
what I mean? Like I'm under pressure learning trip card
quest lyrics like let me get this together?
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Of course he's just joking, but like that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Was like, that's how I used to do my son's
hoodie put it on me, Like, who's saying this?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Nope, I had my my youngins my son. My son
was born in ninety seven, right, and this is me,
the hip hop, hardcore rapper, underground guy. I'm playing nothing
but bal marl he roots and culture and classical music.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I don't want him to even revive that him.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Are you serious?
Speaker 6 (33:07):
That's a fact. But because I do it, he's not
going to escape it. But I'm also playing original track,
some you know, original music, so he's hearing it a
little bit of that I'm producing. I got him in
the studio. They're not bring him around, these guys, and
it's like he's just a sponge for it. So and
then it's like, I forget, what's the name of that
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song that Red mefin Red song microphone check up. When
that came on, it was like hip and hypnotized them.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Right.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It's like it's not like I played this in the crib,
but if it comes on in the car, he's like
stand up in a call. I was like, Yo, if
they're going to go to they're going to go to it.
Just have this exposui.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I mean, anybody can go to that record. What what
Since we're on the subject, what was the moment that
made y'all love.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Hip hop when it came out? Yeah, when they found.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wasn't forced into it? And were he in order lunch
room tables and in school? I mean in the streets
literally in the streets literally parties. Like my mom was
a minister in the church, so I couldn't really listen
to hip hop. But my dad was a musician, player
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for a lot of people, so he was into rock
and roll and him and my uncle made they owned
forty five inch back in the day, so they had
to shake off that dream joint that they would just
it would just be blasting through the house every day.
So like he was born into it, but we wasn't
forced into it, And I think that's what the love
of it comes from. Were not forced to do something.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I grew up in the projects and I lived on
the fourteenth floor and they used to have like.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Park gems in the.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
School and in the school part in the school park.
Now New York ain't gonna let us do that.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
S Like I would look at my post wasn't having it.
I wasn't going down there because he knew somebody was
gonna get shot at or stab and so I had
to watch it. I'm on the fourteenth floor, So I
felt like this is you hear all of the music,
and it's not just hip hop. It's still hip hop.
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Is is birth from somewhere else. It's still spoiling from
the disco. There's still a lot of that stuff that's
going on. It's just live down there and it's it's
the neighborhood people. So it's exciting. It's exciting. You want in,
you want in and any chance that you can get in.
Like when they start first playing hip hop on the radio,
like you can you know, just Squirrel on the sugar
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Hill record, it was like you just stare at it.
It's like, this is hip hop, this is what's happening.
The first time you've seen run DMC on the video
like all of that, you said every swirl, I.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Was just gonna say, no Squirrel on the.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Swirrel like Candy on here, Like Yo, this is wow.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you guys feel like there was too much competition
on duck Down in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Not at all, not at all. Still and that's that's
how we came in. We came in as a family.
It was it was deeper than we built this ship.
Your boot can't click was about everybody. You better had
been nice to be on duck down or you wasn't
gonna be up here. Yeah, I mean, you know, dudes,
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we had dudes drop drop it, drop it, get me
fifty way before that.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's like you need to be fit for the job. Yeah,
you know, so it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It was. It was about training each other for sure.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Why did you guys change the name?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I mean, why did you guys change the name of Cocoa.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Because we had to bust a dope move Smith and
Western Gun Company sent us a seat and desists it
wanted to sue us in every publication that promoted us.
It was a bunch of stuff. And the thing in us,
we just we just fresh off the stoop. We didn't
have the attorneys we have we unfortunately we you know,
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we didn't have to know how to really fight that
type of situation, nor the energy, and we just wanted
to make music. So we you know, we just had
to make a hard decision and we was Coco Brothers
because we were just like the guys that brought the.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Marijuana to the studio.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And that name changed it. I think it helped us
more than it hurt us anyway, because it brought us
a whole new core of different listeners. I really hate
to say the word fans. So it brought us a
whole new family and a whole new listening base. So
it was more helpful and impactful than hurtful.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
That makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And for my last question before we get into this game,
But a lot of people or yeah, a lot of
people will use boom back against me as like an insult.
They're like, Oh, you're a boombap lover, and I'm just like, like,
why is that being used as an insult? I like
rap music, Okay, I like Drake just as much as
(38:15):
I like a Kendrick.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
You know what I'm saying. I like both.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But how do you guys feel about the term boom
back being used as an insult?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I think that's just people who don't know a better
word to use, or did they need to expand their vocabulary.
They don't know what they're talking about, so they repeat
what they hear. That's just like how back of the
day they say, oh, they used to shoot you down
for being a backpack rapper. Well, now you're a backpack rapper.
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As soon as you hear the rapper, you like say,
I wish I rapped like that. Backpack rapper. Now that's
a cool thing.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So if you don't really know your history or what
it is that you're talking about, you're going to just
repeat what you hear a lot of things, and that's
how I men can miscommunicate, should get lost in translation.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, I would be like, I'm confused even trying
to answer that one right there, because I feel like
I understand what they mean, but I couldn't explain it.
You know, because if if you, if you, if you
took out boom bap and put another uh terminology in there,
what would it feel like if you said, yo, you're
a drill rapper or you're a you're a conscious rapper,
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or you're you're a sex rapper, Like, how would it
feel like a boom bap? Because everything is boom back Really.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It does have that the boom bap is the walk,
that's the soldier walk, that's that that's that bop, that's
that you know, it had me that head no, and
then you start adding stuff to it. But it also
comes from and that's why I started with sugar Hill
because when you look at these guys records they want
to cover with instruments, you know, it's like music is diverse.
So like like ping C said, like you you your
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vocabulary like expand spread your wings. Man, you're not in
the cell brother, you free?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Listen it's man, your vocabulary yo yo, your taste for
your palate, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Like, man, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
We listened to everything that we was lucky like it's
crazy because I look at the records on your walk.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
We listen to all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You know, and it's like for us, we fell in
love with hip hop and never fell out of love
with hip hop.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Hip hop.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's like when you fall in love with something, you
don't fall out of love with it. It's like you
love it, it gives you, it gives you grief.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I didn't say that you have some fine We love
it again?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Right, So that's it, and that's a beautiful journey because
when you don't love something, you don't love it, you're
over it, over it. But hip hop is not that,
you know. We have to Yeah, we got relationships like that,
you know. So we learned from hip hop how to
deal with people in life. Sometimes because hip hop allows
us to communicate hope fully, freely, sometimes people say they
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took they keeping it real to it sometimes to a fault.
It's like, we can, we can. We can have a
conversation without having a competition.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Mmmm, why do you eat that.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
You got?
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Get that? I got a tweet? It for sure that
that was a bar.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Nah, this is this is I love this. This is
real good combo.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So we play this game on here. Car questions that
need answers. All you guys gotta do is fill in
the blank. Okay, the older I get, the less I
go out.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Oh my god, boom.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Get the less what oh man, I was about to
say some raunchy stuff.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yes, yeah, we love the black minute therapist.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Let's go it that way unless I give a Okay.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
All right, that one had to be said that it
wouldn't have been properly. If it wasn't, you would never
believe me if I told you.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Wow, we never believe call it lifeline. No, you never
believe me. If I told you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Some of the things I want to say, I can't
really say it because people are very sensitive now might
not believe me if I told you I don't listen
listen to I do listen to it.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Oh I'm bunching my pearls. What what is it?
Speaker 6 (42:54):
I don't I don't be blasting that, Like I don't
be blasting my album in the crib like yo, where
we did it? Like I don't be listening to I
listen to all other kind of stuff like it's it's done.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I know it.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
I got to know it inside my heart. But I
don't be in the crib bumping it like that, like
what what?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
What?
Speaker 4 (43:11):
What helps me to know it is that the people
love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
So that goes with all of Like I still listen
to old stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah no, my Spotify replayed there's like two things from
two thousand ten plus maybe right.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
It's difficult because it's like over flex and then it's
like yo, I like what I like. And I still
every once in a while, I go to a gym
and I hear something like ooh, I got to put
that on my right now, like you.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Know, and when we go on the road, I'll play
I'll have like.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Nothing but Smith and Wesson on there. But when I
get home, I am not playing Smith and Wesson. Yo
in the crib, I'll be like yo for real, Yo, Yo,
we just left the party.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
You want to hear now, I'm just seeing the comedy.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Come on, you need have phones.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
That's funny. I love that, though, shout out to her.
Let's see. I want my legacy to.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
Be Oh, my legacy to live. I want my feed
to feed not only my kids, not only their kids,
but I wanted to I wanted to feed people to empower.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yes, I love that, great answer. The hardest lesson I
learned about fame.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Is oh, that's that's a hard that's enough of those
and you're still learning. I think you know you don't know.
The hardest lesson that I can say right now that
you lose people that you love, you know, and not
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death like you lose them and it's like there's nothing
you can do about it.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
You gotta walk, you gotta walk with it.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That is tough.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, same, yeah, pretty much. That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
Blank is a movie I can watch with the sound off.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Scarface.
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Oh my god, I should have known. I could have
picked that. I could have totally picked that.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
It's so many movies I can watch with the sound off.
My Little Friend The spookho sat by the Door?
Speaker 7 (45:46):
You see it that many times?
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Wow, Yeah, that says a lot about you. I'm not
gonna lie. That says a lot about you.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I saw the movie, read the book, and I actually
met uh Sam Greeney before he passed away.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
What well, what was that like?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Luther mar Queen Cynical Smith because she does film work,
and we went to Chicago, uh to meet him, and
it was amazing, right, you know, I don't put the
old man.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It was powerful and strong, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
It was crazy to be in his presence, and he
was he was flirting with sin the whole time, right,
that's why.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
He's coming.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
He had that, he had some Yeah, he had the
Yon means on refrigerator boot up there.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Ready to go.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Super. I was like, yeah, that was cute.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
He let you know, I'm hey, you know, I'm like, man,
he was dropping it and she was like, yo, you
take us to take us to the hood. Nobody want
to take us to the hood. Nobody want take it?
Green was still up right, She's like, nobody want to
take it.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
I'll take you, I'll take you know what he was
with a hole of smoke.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
You know he's like yo, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
So the old g what. Yeah, he took us out there.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
That's fire and it was.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Dope because you know, it just showed you, like I
watched uh this creation and like I was fascinated by
I'm fascinated by the Black Panthers, the whole uh civil
rights and activism.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
It's it's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Exciting to me, to say the least, so meeting this
gentleman who was able to do that through his his art,
and yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
That's that's a great experience.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
After my first rap check, I.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Never got another one.
Speaker 8 (48:01):
My first check.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
After my first wrap check, Uh, I bought the bought
some reefer and went to the hood.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
My lord, No, you're talking about check check. You ain't
talking about you talking.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
About no now, Well to check that matter is when
I was able to uh get a home for my kids,
you know, and then like I lived in Brownsville most
of my life, Brownsville East flat Bush, and then you
know I was living in like I was in crime. Well,
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I guess that's Judica Avenue and uh like Christmas eve My,
they stole some ship off my car, right, I had
a new car to car and I don't care about
no car. But they were stealing like little hut caps
and it's like this more like what are you going
to do with that?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
You could really do something with that. I was just angry, like, yo, bro,
what do you like? I said, I gotta get out
of here like a kid, my kids can't grow up here,
like I lived there all my life. I'm like, my
kids can't grow up here. At Christmas eve Bro, come on, man,
we have so I was able to I was able
to have some money to go.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yo. I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
And like, you know, friends that I thought may have
encouraged me, was like, yo, you should We probably shouldn't
do that right now, you know, because you might not
get another chat that could be like that. I said, Man,
I'm getting out of it. They stole my caps on
Christmas eve Bro. It's a rap, Bro, this is my
kids cannot grow up here.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (49:33):
We got to go, and yeah, we moved to Jamaica.
Queens so it was great.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Hey, shut up to Jamaica queens. I love queens.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I Oh, sometimes I look back at my life and.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
Some time I look back at my life and I
want to break a guitar.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
Mmmm the therapy therapy.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah you know they actually have.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
A smash room. Yeah I would.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yeah, I know, I would love to.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Do the third thing at the wall. They might have
a guitar option. I know they got cups bowls.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, like I always hear like rock, can't I kick
a hole in the speaker? Pull of plugs and not
jet like I want to break the mic?
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (50:24):
What's your son? What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Say that makes sense?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I'm a leo, So what's your son? Spicy love?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
But your your answer?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
What was?
Speaker 7 (50:55):
Sometimes I look back at my life.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Uh, sometimes I look back at my life and wish
I could have done maybe one or two things differently.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Okay that's vague.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I should pull more
or what? Do you want to share in.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
A bullet boom bro like you like putting it right.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
To say too much?
Speaker 7 (51:20):
Okay, well we need to talk.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
We're here for.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Hours.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah okay, Well, thank you all for coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Thank you for having having us.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yes, of course, Infinity out Now make sure you guys
get it. Can you guys just shout out your grandma?
Like everybody know where they should be following.
Speaker 6 (51:44):
Yeah, nah, that was my That was my Sean Price impression.
Come on man real Smith and Wesson on Instagram, Smith
and Wesson dot com. Yeah, I'm general still uh spell
like that, no slinguistics.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Tech smokey lie. Uh well, I have is Instagram and Gram.
I'm on the tax Time lesson. I'm one, I mean street.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
I love it.
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Make you guys tune in new Project Infinity.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
And you guys are listening, Okay.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Growing up on your moan and yours. I'm trying to
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Speaker 3 (01:02):
Your girl?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Money long and you need to talk my girl.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
In the nineties, it was dangerous and exciting. Like now
it's just skilled cameras.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
After my first rap check, I.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Never got another one.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
All right, so what are we competing for? All right?
Why did you just buy that bottle and to pour
it on the floor?
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Just now I understand her Instagram?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Okay, that was that was okay?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right, a little my little friend. We used to
have a saying call yo, just a little bit higher,
but we were talking about just a little bit higher.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
Yeah, before we had content.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
We can have a conversation without having a competition.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Mmmm, why you like?
Speaker 8 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Here, what's happening? What's happening? Is tech is still representing
balked tone?
Speaker 8 (02:14):
What it is?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Go get that new project infinity A yo, Nyla, we
need to talk.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
What's good?
Speaker 7 (02:21):
What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 8 (02:22):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's on here with another episode of We need to Talk.
I just say a special episode. We need to talk
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Smith and Wesson here.
Speaker 7 (02:29):
How are you going?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
What's happening? Yo?
Speaker 7 (02:33):
I'm so happy to have y'all on the show.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, it's a blessing. Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Of course we run all my fish.
Speaker 8 (02:42):
This is real, this is what catch.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
No singing Frank Ocean was amazing. That is totally being
included in the interview.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
He didn't catch it.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
We didn't catch it. At the Frank.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
He was recording that, Come on, tell me, was recording that.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
How are y'all feeling amazing?
Speaker 8 (03:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Feeling well?
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Then?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I'm good y'all got a new project out Infinity.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
What made you guys want to drop now?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
We actually wanted to drop in before COVID, but due
to circumstances and things. I mean, it's God's speed, It's
God's timing, you know. For us, it's it's been a
blessing because like we've learned too. Why that's saying patience
is a virtue is true to statement because we had
(03:54):
the stuff we had gained afterwards, it's perfect for us.
And then being in to drop at this time thirty
years celebrating the shining, so we coincide and then you know,
even down to our artwork.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So just talking about the continuation of the journey.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
I did not know this was thirty years or the shining.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Wait, you dropped it on the same day or just
the same year. You're saying, it's the thirty years the.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Same year with the single out the same the same
the same days. And we did a show, a performance, uh,
commemorating that project on that day. So I mean to us,
you know, in the human world, we was dropped it
right there on that day. But it's like, you know,
(04:41):
God's speed again the most like relax, let the shining
breathe perform that. Let everybody who was around and those
new ones that's trying to get on board, let them,
how you say, embrace that and then something new. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
So it's a great set up for us because we
still have.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No that's smart one feet to the other. I want
to get into infinity before I get into the shine.
And I wasn't expecting to have that brought up so soon.
But the features on this crazy and stacked Ralph Ralph Tresmont.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
Now sweater.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
If this is who I think it is, this is
a new person, right producer out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I just met him in Brooklyn. I'm sorry, so I
just assumed that. But Prodigy Conway the machine too many people,
but talk to me I'm interested in Sweater just because
he's one of the newer people that's on here.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
How'd you guys connect with him?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Sweater was from a man, our brother, Ninth Wonder. That's uh,
he's signed to ninth that's a new artist that he's
working with. And Sweater is a dope young and that's
taking it, taking it by their horns right now. And
you can see he added some joints. And that's our
brother who's transcended from the boot camp helped the Skelter
(06:18):
Sean price. Of course, our brother prodig you rest in
peace and everything is is a family affair, from Conway
to Pharaoh to Sweater. So to miss JULYSSA, thank you.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Who else produced on this project?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, the Ninth Wonder is a whole conglomerate of different
super producers, which is like soundtracks E Jones, Crisis Cash,
Who else am I missing? Not from v A, So
they they got they heavy hitting over there.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
That's who did the Black Imminence joint?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
M okay, And then how long did you guys take,
you guys to put this project together?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Like, what was the process initially?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Initially we went down there. Yeah, Carolina. Yeah, we went
to Raleigh. Knife picked us up from the airport and
he was excited, and you know, we were just talking
about what we was gonna do in the car and
we drove. I'm not mistaken. We drove straight to the studio, right.
I don't think we worked that day first, the very
(07:28):
first year. We went straight to the studio and just
the vibe. I mean, the studio is like going to
the apartment.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
His spaces is the couch and watched some television. We
could sit and eat some Bowl Jangles. I think we
went to Bowl Jangles first.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
We got.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Breakfast, flying biscuit.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
Lying, flying biscuit.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, we was in the flying biscuit. Okay, but it
was it was great. The weather was beautiful. It's a
different change from New York. So the vibe was already
different for us. And they they received us with open arms.
So we came there. We had blank campus. We had
no plan, no idea, we'd nothing, no no agenda. We
(08:10):
listened to the music, listen to what it said to us.
We got right to recording when we could. The first
probably three or four joints didn't make the cut, and
I can't tell you what they're called. But the process
of the process, you know, and it's great to kind
of filter it out and they go, wow, this is
all right. Now I see where it's going. And a
lot of credit has to go to Knife Wonder. That's
(08:31):
why we say Knife Wonder and the Soul Council because
he orchestrates these things. He curates it in a way
where it's like he has a higher understanding and.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Call him the Jedi.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
That's fire a.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Lot of these features and the production on the largest scale,
he produces like a Doctor Dre type of vibe. He
produces the whole probably.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
He's in you know, nice.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So with that, y'all, first time back recording together, was
it in Carolina or you guys are still like actively in.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
As far as us n we record, we record quite
a bit together, Like we knock out features, we do
dub plates that come through. And we had just came
off of another album to all that also was produced
by nine Wandering the Soul Cancil. So this was this
was a hat trick for us to triple fact.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
Yeah, for us, like the first time we went we
went there in three three installments, right the first time
we went through and once we got repped up, I
think we banged out like eleven songs, so we was hot.
We was like, yo, we're gonna drop it top of
the year, right, and the top of the year, like
some madness happened in COVID or something like that. We
had a tour schedule. We're gonna do it, still shining
(09:41):
and all of these type of things. A lot of
things happened, were shut down, so it was stress, it
was pressure. And then I think towards the end of
the year we went back out.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We was like, all right, we're gonna need to do
some more work, some more songs or whatever the case
may be. And then we banged out another probably like seven, right,
So it's a different energy after being held up for
that time and going back and then it's like, all right,
we've made I think at that time that's when we
made like elephant in the room and chut.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
We came with a different vibe.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
So and then we was like, you know, we still
was planning and we had these different things we wanted
to do. We want to you know, line it up.
But again, this is how it is, how it worked out.
So it's great.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I'm a fan, I'm going to ask some questions about
the Shining. What is it about the album that makes
it a underground classic.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
The beats, the beats, it's not just uh drums, beats,
it's a vibe, you know, and the lyrics accommodate the
sound to to beat. Minus mister wall Evil, you know,
and the rest of the guys that was part of
the team at the time, Like these guys created a
sound like this underground basement my food sound. And then
(11:00):
it's also how New York sounds. New York is noisy,
it's like abstract, it's direct, it's all these different things.
And that was created in the climate when a lot
of things was going on in ninety five, ninety four,
ninety five, but they.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Was kind of what calling the Golden years of hip hops.
So for sure it was it was incredible albums dropping.
I think everything that might have dropped in ninety five
has been labeled a classic.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
And yeah, we might be racid from the east to
the west, but you know, we was able to coming
straight from where we was coming from the streets primarily
and bringing that poetry like so we had no knowledge
of being stars like rap stars. We were just were
talking about what we were talking about, what we knew,
the community stuff and was going on the hood and
(11:46):
I experience over those type of peas, so it's like
a marriage.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And it was like after that was gone.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
So I want to know about the day you guys
created Bucktown? Where were you you? How who introduced the beat?
Like the kitchen literally weated the.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Song the song. We was in the kitchen when we
wrote the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Whose kitchen We might have been in the basement of
Uncle Drake for the Rest in Peace when we came.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Up with no I'm talking about the song.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
When we recorded and there, oh yeah, that song in
the kitchen, delivering in.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
The kitchen, in the basement, in his kitchen, full basement kitchen.
So we was writing our lyrics in the kitchen literally.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
On other album covers, that was the whole walls.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
For the album. The concept was to come up with
an anthem, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
We was We was like, you know, listening to guys
like Onyx and and know by Nature, and it's like, yeah,
we need an anthem and calling responses is normally the
way to go. But before that we messed up probably
like two three times. And that was like recognized was great,
but it's like it wasn't kind of hitting, Like, how
do you want to about the cast?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Still nothing more but the money.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
We were trying to go with these calling responses and
it's like, I, that's that's cool, but it's not that
we came with a buck time like ooh and and
and also again under the tutelage of mister walk because
as Ebu d was on the road with Black Moon
at the time, and so he took us under the
crib and rest in peace, Mama do guard who allowed
us to come into space.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
He was like, yeah, that's you know. We we fished
around until we found it, till we till we got
it right.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Let's talk about sound boul Burial. I want to know
the origin story behind that one too.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sound Boy Barrier. We lucked up on that one because
that was a beat. Again the beat miners had gave
to Helter Skelter and they didn't like to beat. They
didn't want to beat, so they kind of chucked it
to the side and h we was like, yo, let
us get that once. We heard it again in the
kitchen Bushwick in the freezing winter time. We put our
(14:09):
our pins to the pad, and that's what we came
up with, sound Boy Burial.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
What made you guys do two different versions because there's
two versions of it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
A sound Boy I think what really made us do
a second version because we had to edit the first one.
It was kind of too raunchy for people rubbing people
the wrong way. So we learned from our big little brother, Buckshot,
where you do a clean version. He would go in
and almost do a completely new song with new lyrics
(14:40):
and everything, and we just kind of picked that work
ethic up and he actually produced the remix with a
sound boy joint and then they both was on track,
Big Up Black of Jaddne, Black Hearted Scavenger.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
How would you guys say street culture influenced your storytelling?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I mean one hundred percent, one thousand percent really, because
that's coming from being young knuckleheads in the street, running
with decept cars and being just from Brooklyn, traveling from
Brooklyn to Manhattan and high schools and Hell's Kitchen. That's
that's what our life was. That's I mean, you know,
it's it's what shape does have made us to the
men we are today. So just being able to be
(15:24):
able to tell that story from our point of view,
it was easier to relate to our peers because as
we was coming up, we was looking at these rapper dudes,
but we didn't know any of them. We wasn't really
they wasn't coming reportant to us. So when it was
our turn, we just you know, followed the footsteps being
students of the game.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I think that was just by add on.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
That was a great question because it just made me think, Like,
It's why I like doing interviews, because it makes you
think about what even whit he thinks about that?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Street culture, how how much does it influence That's like
really though, because like this gentleman, it grows up in
a family of musicians, So how much did that influence?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right?
Speaker 6 (16:08):
And then like before we even get to the street park,
what are we doing now?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
In hindsight, like my moms.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Influenced me, my pops influenced me, and then like being
like a recluse in the crib, the trauma, abusive home, alcoholism,
drug addiction, all that influenced me before I even got outside,
you know. And then I get to talk about these
things and like true experiences, right, and then we start
(16:39):
to go and walk with this and the street culture
is obviously there because we're in the street, we're going
to school, back and forth, and it's like it's all encompassing.
It's when it's symbiatic relationship. But I think that when
we sit in our rooms, that's where we really.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Get to like process it all right in that silence.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
It's a blessing to be able to output it healthy
way right, and people are receiving and go yo, world,
I feel.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
That fam yo.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Preachy and right right, this is what you add.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Right, pay attention to that.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
And then it's it's it's an education lesson for us
to leave the hood and go somewhere like somewhere simple
like a Seattle. Right, We've never been there, and like
what is that culture?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Like? Like what is that street culture?
Speaker 8 (17:27):
Like?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Then they go they be like wow, this is similar
to so you know, it's like okay, so we open
up the veilers down and we can build and then
see what they really have.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
The saying of Bucktown is everywhere.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Right ah.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I like that, And I love how reflection like is
like the decompressing put in it in the music. What
was the energy like in Brooklyn specifically, uh, New York
in the nineties. It's so much different now just going
to Brooklyn in general obvious, you know, way more gentrified.
But like you know what, I like the fact about
(18:07):
classic albums you feel like you're in that world. Like
I feel like I was there in the nineties. But
just in comparison to like Brooklyn in the nineties, Brooklyn
rap scene in the nineties, compared to it now, what's
the difference.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
No, you just said it. Yeah, like that feeling.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But Brooklyn has always been such a huge melting pot.
You got every race, every ethnicicity, ethnicity. Yeah, you got
everything in Brooklyn that you would need to grow. I
mean you have your white you have your Jews, Yeah,
your Jamaicans, you have your Panamanians, and they're all We're
(18:47):
all like right on top of each other.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, exactly when I used to have the Eastern Parkway
Day parades. This was crazy back in the nineties. This
was Ocean iv in. They rocks. So the hip hop
was was so.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Alive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It was electrifying. Now because you us, when I say
you us, we're in the game now, so we actually
seeing what's going on and we're around those other piers
that's coming out and rocking, and it's it's a whole
different atmosphere now. So when you go from now to today, now,
I think today is a little bit more because so
(19:28):
many artists has been coming out since over the years,
and again it is like nine billion people in the city,
so everyone is a little bit more accessible. Back then,
you couldn't just pop out and see a teching still
on your block unless we was hanging out in that
certain area or whatever the case. But now it's a
little bit more. You got reachable social media. You see
(19:51):
people here, they putting their locations, so you could just
shoot there and you're right there.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I missed that. I missed the I missed the Uh.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
In the nineties, it was dangerous and fun, that's what
you missed.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
That.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, no, but now it's just scary, you know what
I'm saying, Like it was dangerous and exciting, Like now it's.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Just scary cameras, camera people stepping out of the dark crevices.
It's like, you know what I'm saying, Like it's scary.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Like it's like, yo, you don't even have to have
like people would rob you before, like people people would
rob you before. Now people just kill you, right, Like
what what Jay said and don't want.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
To rob they just want to kill you. They record,
So it's scary.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's like to know to no benefit, you know, like
when we lose that, when we lose the purpose and
we have an intent to not benefit, Like that's scary,
you know. So I missed like being able to go.
I knew it was dangerous. Somebody might have got stabbed
like at the at the at the parade, but.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
You know that junction, you know, flat in junction.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
It was wild.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It was like right now, like dudes is a McDonald's
and it's like yo, like three people get blown away
because like the intent is different right now.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's crazy not to cut your wisdom. I was just
watching the news. They're checking your ID to get into McDonald's.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
See that's wrongs is crazy.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I bet I don't go there anymore. It's bad enough.
They got nineteens in.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The French and went over like like church, and I
want to say.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, they started, they're gonna start there. But that's how y'all,
that's how the Waiian's got it.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
You gotta hide, y'all.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
That's not fun like you, that's fun to you to
hote up the spot where you can't.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Go no more like you missed them.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
We had dangerous clubs like the Tunnel. It was dangerous, like,
but we all wanted to go. It was it was
dangerous stuff like we was going on a prison visit.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Right. They was like yo, my nuts yo yo.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, like every man and women like so, but we
still went in there, you know, performed in there.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You was, this isn't it you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
So it was like we flocked to that like and
it was like yeah it was And that was just
one you know, it was like I remember seeing outside, right, Yeah,
we go to these but but you know.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
It wasn't scary, right, were going there like wow, this
is it's hot here. Yo, it's man, you know it's
crazy yo, yo, this is dope.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And you know, we had a club that we would
go to with this is where the rappers were convenient
called the Lions.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Then like that sounds dangerous.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Lions that you're going in the Lions then yeah, you know,
let's go to the Lions. Then the night and you
see all these different underground rappers and all these like geniuses,
these these aspiring geniuses.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
They're like, you know, it's just exciting.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Now you go to places and everybody is like, yo,
they either your jewelry gotta be bigger than his jewelry.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Even the females like what are we talking about? Like?
Why is what?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What is? What are we competing for? Because all y'all
look beautiful. Let's let's be clear. Yo, you look fly,
You look fly? All right, so what are we competing for?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
All right? Why did you just buy that bottle and
poured it on the floor?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Just now, I understand Instagram?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Okay, that was that was okay? All right, cool, I
get it. Now you gotta now and everybody's slipping somebody
on boot and now you got a p P P
or a p P Y'll help your film?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Is your help?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Take this flick? Bro?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We're working hashtag were working?
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Not for real though, No, y'all not lying.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I'm not saying for Instagram is right either, That's not
what I'm saying. But what is something about like the
nineties you wish the new generation could experience, you know,
within our round?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That's a great question.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I mean, man, it's like the food, even our junk
food was better.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
What like a kick cat? You know what I'm saying,
Like taste horrible.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Don't do that things that have been some manufactured so
many different times that they like, you don't know what
you're eating right now, like even even a garbage is garbage.
Like right now, it's like now we're counting the colors,
collar bars on the on the on the fruit, like
we are messed up, like not eating trash right now,
like you like, come on, man, like we like we
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still survived. I gotta mean something, you know, I mean,
were still some of us are still here unless we
inhale some dope or something.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And it's like, yo, you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Just well some looked crazy like that was around like
let's keep it a hunted like people was our error
was like.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Dude, it was you know what I'm saying smoking, Some
was and some wasn't.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Some some was getting tricked out of they said was
getting tricked out and some thought it was cool.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Look at this error. Look what these guys are doing,
like yo, it's cool to go just we used to
have a saying call yo, just a little bit higher.
But we were talking about just a.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
Little bit higher before we had content just to get
a little but okay, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
We were from the hood. We didn't we did. We
had no access.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well I ain't gonna say that we had access to stuff,
but our choice was marijuana, right, And but I think
it was hot boxing and we ain't. I ain't never
heard no hot box until I got in the industry,
and I hear people talk about hot box.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Maybe that's something with we was doing that.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
The closet were doing the most dumbest things, right, Just
seven guys in the closet, like people were passing out everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
That was funny.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Seven seven people, seven bloods going around.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That's about it, right, that's a lot.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
That's a lot mercy.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
Y'all was just a little bit hard.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Now it makes.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
This is this is smoking out of Dutch masters and
white eye, no paper planes.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
And if you open that door, you had to get out.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
You might get might but needs to.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Get out at the seven blesbean passed around.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yes, Now I think y'all ain't got as good sunflower seeds. Yeah,
y'all got disgusting flavors and all this that I've been
hearing a cream and ranch out of nowhere. It was
just original sunflower seeds.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Wait, no, you're being serious about some flower seeds.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Oh, I thought you was using that as a as
like a PC way of saying tree like but okay, okay, okay, no.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
We still got that, but now we got notch.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That is crazy.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I'm a fan. I'm a fan of it all. Don't
know mind me. I gotta big back sometimes.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
But okay. What does it feel like to be a
part of two iconic labels?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Two iconic labels?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
It feels regular regular, well, because it's all you know, nah, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Just like we built this sh you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
It's like we're not celebrating, going, Hey, we got the
champagne in the back, like it's us working, you know,
Salute the Jew, Salute the Noah, Salute to the queen's
cynical smith, queens, get the money, salute the zenobia like
everybody is working and you know, it's tough, but it
feels good because we know what we what we're working towards,
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and we know what we're working for and who we're
working for, and it gives us an opportunity to appreciate
the relationships.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And it also gives you a little gives you a
little edge up on what's out there because now you've
been around for so many years, Like you said, two
different labels. Now you know every mistake is not unavoidable,
but you know there's some that you can avoid and
you know which way to turn or you can not
do this or do that more and not do this
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lesson do so it helps you on your mental ground
for front as well.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Also, Yeah, we learned independently, like we was doing independent
stuff when we first came into the game. So I
respect the independent the youngest that's doing it right now,
because it's great to have the overhead of like these corporations.
But you need to know that you are the walking,
breathing media. You are the into, you are the property
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that's you. You are the wealth, you're the value, You're
the gym. And of course they can they have the
great relationships to get you exposed, but don't sell your
intellectual property for that. Like you're a cloud chaser, like
I don't care on what level it is. That's the
same thing like don't don't disrespect Mighty on the level
of Instagram because you on the red carpet, like we
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we came from a place where we grew this content
from where right, and then we can barter that later
on we find out that we can bother that as
opposed to just going like take me here and have
and keep my content. Like a lot of artists, we
keep hearing these nightmare stories of artists now fighting for
this stuff, you know, and then we like fast forward
(29:27):
to this day we hear about artists getting their stuff,
or we celebrate those those stories like why.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Are you holding my stuff for these many years?
Speaker 6 (29:34):
Anyway, Like you made the money over and over and
over again, and it's good to look forward to having
something that you can pass on that's more than just
having a record out.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's legacy. Now some of us are having kids, kids
having kids.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yeah, I do love that for us.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I do.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
I feel like hip hop at least for me.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I feel like it's like a one big extended family tree.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Absolutely, and it opens so many different doors, Like you
can start out as an MC or a DJ and
just put your family on, or you could just put
your mind to out of and get behind the camera
or the computers, the engineer board. It's very vast business.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We was in when we was in North Carolina. We
should get Krispy Kreme donuts, Like I don't eat that up.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Here, I know, But I know you were talking about Carolina.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Okay, so it's a different whole different scene. And then
I ain't know about the light when the light come on,
that's me.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
So it's like like Tech has a line where he says,
I feel new, like the reboard fresh, like with the
Krispy Kree donors with the light on. So it's like
when you asked me how I feel, that's how I feel,
you know, I feel new. I get to meet new
people like I don't want you to be like this
old head old music, like this is something that you
can vibe to.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
All right, So we could talk, right, we can. We
can party together, we can enjoy it like we didn't have.
Like my father didn't put me on the rap.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
My father put me onto the stuff that would soon
become rap later on.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
But I had to find this on my own. But
our conversation still has yet to be had. Right, we
can we can build here. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I feel No.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
No, I really love that, because that's all I'm trying
to do as well.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yeah, well you're doing a great job, you know what
I'm saying and connecting with.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, my dad definitely put me onto rap. I feel
like people be like that question that's like when did
you fall in love with hip hop? And it be
like I feel like I was born into it, you know,
getting drove to school where listening to Kanye fifty J.
You know what I'm saying, not this classic there was
no other lifestyle that's.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Dope because we've been picking up on that at our
shows lately, like it's been a generation outpour and you
see the father and a son or a mother and
a daughter between thirties to fifties or sixties even older,
but the son or daughter is like sixteen, seventeen and
the twenties, and just to see they mesmerize and into
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the music. Not just here because my mom brought here whatever, whatever,
but they're really into what's going down and they're following
and knowing it as that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Now I'm so here for it.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I think we need to see more of it, like
more of the bridge being Bill. My dad used to
be like, yo, if you don't know the words to this,
you can't get a d ride to school, you know
what I mean? Like I'm under pressure learning trip card
quest lyrics like let me get this together?
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Of course he's just joking, but like that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Was like, that's how I used to do my son's
hoodie put it on me, Like, who's saying this?
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Nope, I had my my youngins my son. My son
was born in ninety seven, right, and this is me,
the hip hop, hardcore rapper, underground guy. I'm playing nothing
but bal marl he roots and culture and classical music.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I don't want him to even revive that him.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Are you serious?
Speaker 6 (33:07):
That's a fact. But because I do it, he's not
going to escape it. But I'm also playing original track,
some you know, original music, so he's hearing it a
little bit of that I'm producing. I got him in
the studio. They're not bring him around, these guys, and
it's like he's just a sponge for it. So and
then it's like, I forget, what's the name of that
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song that Red mefin Red song microphone check up. When
that came on, it was like hip and hypnotized them.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Right.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It's like it's not like I played this in the crib,
but if it comes on in the car, he's like
stand up in a call. I was like, Yo, if
they're going to go to they're going to go to it.
Just have this exposui.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I mean, anybody can go to that record. What what
Since we're on the subject, what was the moment that
made y'all love.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Hip hop when it came out? Yeah, when they found.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wasn't forced into it? And were he in order lunch
room tables and in school? I mean in the streets
literally in the streets literally parties. Like my mom was
a minister in the church, so I couldn't really listen
to hip hop. But my dad was a musician, player
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for a lot of people, so he was into rock
and roll and him and my uncle made they owned
forty five inch back in the day, so they had
to shake off that dream joint that they would just
it would just be blasting through the house every day.
So like he was born into it, but we wasn't
forced into it, And I think that's what the love
of it comes from. Were not forced to do something.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I grew up in the projects and I lived on
the fourteenth floor and they used to have like.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Park gems in the.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
School and in the school part in the school park.
Now New York ain't gonna let us do that.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
S Like I would look at my post wasn't having it.
I wasn't going down there because he knew somebody was
gonna get shot at or stab and so I had
to watch it. I'm on the fourteenth floor, So I
felt like this is you hear all of the music,
and it's not just hip hop. It's still hip hop.
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Is is birth from somewhere else. It's still spoiling from
the disco. There's still a lot of that stuff that's
going on. It's just live down there and it's it's
the neighborhood people. So it's exciting. It's exciting. You want in,
you want in and any chance that you can get in.
Like when they start first playing hip hop on the radio,
like you can you know, just Squirrel on the sugar
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Hill record, it was like you just stare at it.
It's like, this is hip hop, this is what's happening.
The first time you've seen run DMC on the video
like all of that, you said every swirl, I.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Was just gonna say, no Squirrel on the.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Swirrel like Candy on here, Like Yo, this is wow.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Do you guys feel like there was too much competition
on duck Down in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Not at all, not at all. Still and that's that's
how we came in. We came in as a family.
It was it was deeper than we built this ship.
Your boot can't click was about everybody. You better had
been nice to be on duck down or you wasn't
gonna be up here. Yeah, I mean, you know, dudes,
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we had dudes drop drop it, drop it, get me
fifty way before that.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It's like you need to be fit for the job. Yeah,
you know, so it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
It was. It was about training each other for sure.
Speaker 7 (36:47):
Why did you guys change the name?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I mean, why did you guys change the name of Cocoa.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Because we had to bust a dope move Smith and
Western Gun Company sent us a seat and desists it
wanted to sue us in every publication that promoted us.
It was a bunch of stuff. And the thing in us,
we just we just fresh off the stoop. We didn't
have the attorneys we have we unfortunately we you know,
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we didn't have to know how to really fight that
type of situation, nor the energy, and we just wanted
to make music. So we you know, we just had
to make a hard decision and we was Coco Brothers
because we were just like the guys that brought the.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Marijuana to the studio.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
And that name changed it. I think it helped us
more than it hurt us anyway, because it brought us
a whole new core of different listeners. I really hate
to say the word fans. So it brought us a
whole new family and a whole new listening base. So
it was more helpful and impactful than hurtful.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
That makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And for my last question before we get into this game,
But a lot of people or yeah, a lot of
people will use boom back against me as like an insult.
They're like, Oh, you're a boombap lover, and I'm just like, like,
why is that being used as an insult? I like
rap music, Okay, I like Drake just as much as
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I like a Kendrick.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
You know what I'm saying. I like both.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
But how do you guys feel about the term boom
back being used as an insult?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I think that's just people who don't know a better
word to use, or did they need to expand their vocabulary.
They don't know what they're talking about, so they repeat
what they hear. That's just like how back of the
day they say, oh, they used to shoot you down
for being a backpack rapper. Well, now you're a backpack rapper.
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As soon as you hear the rapper, you like say,
I wish I rapped like that. Backpack rapper. Now that's
a cool thing.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So if you don't really know your history or what
it is that you're talking about, you're going to just
repeat what you hear a lot of things, and that's
how I men can miscommunicate, should get lost in translation.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, I would be like, I'm confused even trying
to answer that one right there, because I feel like
I understand what they mean, but I couldn't explain it.
You know, because if if you, if you, if you
took out boom bap and put another uh terminology in there,
what would it feel like if you said, yo, you're
a drill rapper or you're a you're a conscious rapper,
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or you're you're a sex rapper, Like, how would it
feel like a boom bap? Because everything is boom back Really.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
It does have that the boom bap is the walk,
that's the soldier walk, that's that that's that bop, that's
that you know, it had me that head no, and
then you start adding stuff to it. But it also
comes from and that's why I started with sugar Hill
because when you look at these guys records they want
to cover with instruments, you know, it's like music is diverse.
So like like ping C said, like you you your
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vocabulary like expand spread your wings. Man, you're not in
the cell brother, you free?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Listen it's man, your vocabulary yo yo, your taste for
your palate, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Like, man, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
We listened to everything that we was lucky like it's
crazy because I look at the records on your walk.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
We listen to all that stuff.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You know, and it's like for us, we fell in
love with hip hop and never fell out of love
with hip hop.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Hip hop.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
It's like when you fall in love with something, you
don't fall out of love with it. It's like you
love it, it gives you, it gives you grief.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I didn't say that you have some fine We love
it again?
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Right, So that's it, and that's a beautiful journey because
when you don't love something, you don't love it, you're
over it, over it. But hip hop is not that,
you know. We have to Yeah, we got relationships like that,
you know. So we learned from hip hop how to
deal with people in life. Sometimes because hip hop allows
us to communicate hope fully, freely, sometimes people say they
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took they keeping it real to it sometimes to a fault.
It's like, we can, we can. We can have a
conversation without having a competition.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Mmmm, why do you eat that.
Speaker 8 (41:17):
You got?
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Get that? I got a tweet? It for sure that
that was a bar.
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Nah, this is this is I love this. This is
real good combo.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So we play this game on here. Car questions that
need answers. All you guys gotta do is fill in
the blank. Okay, the older I get, the less I
go out.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
Oh my god, boom.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Get the less what oh man, I was about to
say some raunchy stuff.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yes, yeah, we love the black minute therapist.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Let's go it that way unless I give a Okay.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
All right, that one had to be said that it
wouldn't have been properly. If it wasn't, you would never
believe me if I told you.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
Wow, we never believe call it lifeline. No, you never
believe me. If I told you.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Some of the things I want to say, I can't
really say it because people are very sensitive now might
not believe me if I told you I don't listen
listen to I do listen to it.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Oh I'm bunching my pearls. What what is it?
Speaker 6 (42:54):
I don't I don't be blasting that, Like I don't
be blasting my album in the crib like yo, where
we did it? Like I don't be listening to I
listen to all other kind of stuff like it's it's done.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I know it.
Speaker 6 (43:06):
I got to know it inside my heart. But I
don't be in the crib bumping it like that, like
what what?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
What?
Speaker 4 (43:11):
What helps me to know it is that the people
love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
So that goes with all of Like I still listen
to old stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah no, my Spotify replayed there's like two things from
two thousand ten plus maybe right.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
It's difficult because it's like over flex and then it's
like yo, I like what I like. And I still
every once in a while, I go to a gym
and I hear something like ooh, I got to put
that on my right now, like you.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Know, and when we go on the road, I'll play
I'll have like.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Nothing but Smith and Wesson on there. But when I
get home, I am not playing Smith and Wesson. Yo
in the crib, I'll be like yo for real, Yo, Yo,
we just left the party.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
You want to hear now, I'm just seeing the comedy.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
Yo.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Come on, you need have phones.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
That's funny. I love that, though, shout out to her.
Let's see. I want my legacy to.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
Be Oh, my legacy to live. I want my feed
to feed not only my kids, not only their kids,
but I wanted to I wanted to feed people to empower.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yes, I love that, great answer. The hardest lesson I
learned about fame.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Is oh, that's that's a hard that's enough of those
and you're still learning. I think you know you don't know.
The hardest lesson that I can say right now that
you lose people that you love, you know, and not
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death like you lose them and it's like there's nothing
you can do about it.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
You gotta walk, you gotta walk with it.
Speaker 7 (45:11):
That is tough.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, same, yeah, pretty much. That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
Blank is a movie I can watch with the sound off.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Scarface.
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Oh my god, I should have known. I could have
picked that. I could have totally picked that.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
It's so many movies I can watch with the sound off.
My Little Friend The spookho sat by the Door?
Speaker 7 (45:46):
You see it that many times?
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (45:48):
Wow, Yeah, that says a lot about you. I'm not
gonna lie. That says a lot about you.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I saw the movie, read the book, and I actually
met uh Sam Greeney before he passed away.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
What well, what was that like?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Luther mar Queen Cynical Smith because she does film work,
and we went to Chicago, uh to meet him, and
it was amazing, right, you know, I don't put the
old man.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It was powerful and strong, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
It was crazy to be in his presence, and he
was he was flirting with sin the whole time, right,
that's why.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
He's coming.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
He had that, he had some Yeah, he had the
Yon means on refrigerator boot up there.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Ready to go.
Speaker 7 (46:45):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Super. I was like, yeah, that was cute.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
He let you know, I'm hey, you know, I'm like, man,
he was dropping it and she was like, yo, you
take us to take us to the hood. Nobody want
to take us to the hood. Nobody want take it?
Green was still up right, She's like, nobody want to
take it.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
I'll take you, I'll take you know what he was
with a hole of smoke.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
You know he's like yo, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
So the old g what. Yeah, he took us out there.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
That's fire and it was.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Dope because you know, it just showed you, like I
watched uh this creation and like I was fascinated by
I'm fascinated by the Black Panthers, the whole uh civil
rights and activism.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
It's it's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Exciting to me, to say the least, so meeting this
gentleman who was able to do that through his his art,
and yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
That's that's a great experience.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
After my first rap check, I.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Never got another one.
Speaker 8 (48:01):
My first check.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
After my first wrap check, Uh, I bought the bought
some reefer and went to the hood.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
My lord, No, you're talking about check check. You ain't
talking about you talking.
Speaker 6 (48:15):
About no now, Well to check that matter is when
I was able to uh get a home for my kids,
you know, and then like I lived in Brownsville most
of my life, Brownsville East flat Bush, and then you
know I was living in like I was in crime. Well,
(48:36):
I guess that's Judica Avenue and uh like Christmas eve My,
they stole some ship off my car, right, I had
a new car to car and I don't care about
no car. But they were stealing like little hut caps
and it's like this more like what are you going
to do with that?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
You could really do something with that. I was just angry, like, yo, bro,
what do you like? I said, I gotta get out
of here like a kid, my kids can't grow up here,
like I lived there all my life. I'm like, my
kids can't grow up here. At Christmas eve Bro, come on, man,
we have so I was able to I was able
to have some money to go.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yo. I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
And like, you know, friends that I thought may have
encouraged me, was like, yo, you should We probably shouldn't
do that right now, you know, because you might not
get another chat that could be like that. I said, Man,
I'm getting out of it. They stole my caps on
Christmas eve Bro. It's a rap, Bro, this is my
kids cannot grow up here.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (49:33):
We got to go, and yeah, we moved to Jamaica.
Queens so it was great.
Speaker 7 (49:38):
Hey, shut up to Jamaica queens. I love queens.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
I Oh, sometimes I look back at my life and.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
Some time I look back at my life and I
want to break a guitar.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
Mmmm the therapy therapy.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Yeah you know they actually have.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
A smash room. Yeah I would.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
Yeah, I know, I would love to.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Do the third thing at the wall. They might have
a guitar option. I know they got cups bowls.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, like I always hear like rock, can't I kick
a hole in the speaker? Pull of plugs and not
jet like I want to break the mic?
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (50:24):
What's your son? What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Say that makes sense?
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I'm a leo, So what's your son? Spicy love?
Speaker 7 (50:51):
But your your answer?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
What was?
Speaker 7 (50:55):
Sometimes I look back at my life.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Uh, sometimes I look back at my life and wish
I could have done maybe one or two things differently.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Okay that's vague.
Speaker 7 (51:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I should pull more
or what? Do you want to share in.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
A bullet boom bro like you like putting it right.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
To say too much?
Speaker 7 (51:20):
Okay, well we need to talk.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
We're here for.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Hours.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah okay, Well, thank you all for coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Thank you for having having us.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yes, of course, Infinity out Now make sure you guys
get it. Can you guys just shout out your grandma?
Like everybody know where they should be following.
Speaker 6 (51:44):
Yeah, nah, that was my That was my Sean Price impression.
Come on man real Smith and Wesson on Instagram, Smith
and Wesson dot com. Yeah, I'm general still uh spell
like that, no slinguistics.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Tech smokey lie. Uh well, I have is Instagram and Gram.
I'm on the tax Time lesson. I'm one, I mean street.
Speaker 7 (52:18):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Make you guys tune in new Project Infinity.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
And you guys are listening, Okay.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
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