December 25, 2024 • 27 mins
This week, Danielle is looking back at some of her favorite conversations from the last few years of Woke AF Daily. Today, Danielle revisits one of her favorite conversations with Democracy-ish co-host Wajahat Ali about the self-destructive nature of white supremacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with me
your Girl, Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home Bunker. Folks.
It is our holiday week at WOKF and as we
wind down seven incredible years of bringing you interviews and
information and content, I've wanted to revisit some of the
most important conversation I think that we've had on WOKF
(00:35):
and so I'm excited to revisit this conversation with my
co host of Democracy Ish, which is live on my
YouTube channel Fridays at twelve pm Eastern, with my friend
jahahat Ali. In this episode from last year, we talk
about the self destructiveness of white supremacy and if you remember,
(00:58):
at this time back in twenty twenty three, the NAACP
had issued a travel advisory on the state of Florida
as Ron DeSantis' fascist agenda began to take hold. The
NAACP and what would follow are some LGBTQ organizations that
(01:20):
would say that Florida ain't safe for us, and so
you may want to be advised. And in this conversation,
Jase and I unpack white supremacy and you know how
we are going to navigate through this very self destructive,
self eating, self defeating ideology. And you know this comes
(01:44):
right now with a couple of weeks until Donald Trump
takes the oath that we know that he will break
as soon as he puts his hand on that Bible
to give a damn about our constitution to uphold it.
And we know that Donald Trump could care less about
our constitution. And frankly, right now it doesn't even seem
(02:05):
like he's actually the president elect. It more so seems
like Elon Muskiz. Has anybody heard from JD Vance? Probably not?
So Buckle up as we revisit this conversation, because sometimes
going backwards helps us figure out our path forward. Folks,
I am always very excited when I get to bring
(02:27):
on my co host, my weekly co host of a
Democracy Ishaha hot al Lee, who is an author, a
columnist and all around badass on Twitter. If you have
not read his book go back to where you come
from and other helpful tips you should And if you're
loving wokf daily on iHeart, you should absolutely check out
(02:50):
Democracy Ish, which drops new episodes each and every Thursday
with Waja Hot and I and some really amazing, amazing
guests that we get into conversation with SOA was you know,
first of all, I just America. You know, I'll just
(03:10):
start there America and then slap my head and we
can just go from there. But over the weekend, the
NAACP issued a really intense warning to black people in
America and members of other marginalized groups in saying that
(03:33):
you should be wary of traveling to the state of Florida,
that Florida is essentially a hate state, that it is
a dangerous state for black people, for LGBTQ people, for women.
It was lengthy, it was necessary, and it harkens back
(03:58):
to essentially a time in this country during Jim Crow
segregation where Black Americans had to if they were traveling,
they got something called a green book Juaja hot Ali.
They got a green book at different gas stations in
different places of respites in between their travels from the
(04:22):
North throughout the South that would signal to them in
providing great detail places that would accept their money and
their presence as black people, whether it was at a
restaurant or a gas station or a hotel. And traveling
was so precarious and could end up resulting in a lynching,
(04:44):
a rape, a robbery, a beating, all of these things,
that the Green Book was necessary created by Victor Green,
a postal worker who created this and printed it himself
and was disseminated throughout the South. And so here we
are fast forward to twenty twenty three, where the nacious,
(05:09):
longest and oldest civil rights organization has made this stark warning.
How did that land with you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I thought The Green Book was a movie where Vigo
Mortensen was taught by Mahershala Ali how to write letters
to his wife and then they and then they had
been Ali Weather. Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. Look. I
think the NAACP should be joined by the National Organization
of Women, who should give an advisory to women who
want to go to Florida because Ron DeSantis, the wet
(05:40):
noodle that we have always said that he is on
our other podcast, has now restricted abortions after six weeks.
I think GLAD or any organization that represents LGBTQ plus
communities should also issue an advisory because don't say gay.
I think educators and librarians should all so issue an
(06:00):
advisory because they're banning books, they're banning ap African American studies,
they're silencing academics and they're threatening librarians. And I also
think any group that tries to protect immigrants, especially on
document immigrants, should also issue an advisory warning because with
the new anti immigration bill, which none enough people are
(06:22):
talking about that he passed, basically they could just stop
anyone who looks mexicany ask them for their papers, and
out of state driver's licenses apparently aren't enough. So it
has led to Danielle as of last week and something
that people should mention massive stoppages in construction in Florida.
Why because just like in the African American community, in
(06:45):
the immigrant community and migrant community, especially the Latino communities
weren't spread and people are like, yo, unless you want
to get detained and deported, don't go to Florida. So
I would say, Danielle, if you go anti woke, you'll
go broke. And another thing I'll say is good on
the NAACP. And we were talking about this earlier. A
(07:07):
tweet came out from a friend of ours, historian Kevin
Cruise of Princeton, who's excellent on Twitter follow him if
you don't and Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, who cares
so much about his constituents that whenever there's trouble, he
goes to can Kun. You know he's now leading the
charge with all these other Republicans. How dare you, nubacap,
how dare you? And he invokes doctor King. Doctor King
(07:32):
would be so embarrassed, and then Camvin Cruz says, ah,
as a historian, I have receipts. Actually, Doctor King back
in the day called for a boycott of this state
called Alabama, precisely because as you described, Danielle, it was
a haven for white violence, white vigilante violence against black
(07:54):
people and those whites who helped black people.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So yeah, So Kevin Cruz and folks, it is Kevin
and Cruz k r U s E. He tweeted this
in response to Ted Cruz, who said, quote, this is
bizarre and utterly dishonest. In the nineteen fifties and sixties,
the NAACP did extraordinary good thing, good good helping lead
(08:23):
the civil rights movement. Today, doctor Kin would be ashamed
of how profoundly they've lost their way. So quote tweeting
that Professor Kevin Cruz tweets this. In nineteen sixty five,
doctor King called for a national boycott of the State
of Alabama saying that the Democratic governor George Wallace's policies
(08:44):
constituted a quote, reign of terror against black Americans. And so,
just so folks don't get it twisted, Ted Cruz knows nothing,
and I know that it is. It is very hard
to dig into the bin of idiots see and lack
of intellectual nimbleness and honesty when we're talking about the
(09:05):
Republican Party writ large, but in particular Ted Cruz much
alike Republicans love to do coming around the Martin Luther
King Junior Holiday, which is to take out the one
quote that they know out of its context. Daniel quotes,
you're right, you're right, and admonish black people for acknowledging
(09:29):
the racist policies that they put together, because US acknowledging
racism is what is racist, not the policies in and
of itself. So Professor Cruse said, let me provide you
with the actual receipts of the New York Times article
that was written in nineteen sixty five. And so I
think was what gets me here is that facts don't
(09:52):
register with the Party of Lies and the Party of hate.
But what should register with Americans and the pop is
that this party hasn't just regressed, it has devolved, right,
It has devolved into something where we thought that the
commentary that we understood around the civil rights movement we
(10:16):
would always look at through a historical lens. But here
we are in present day, twenty twenty three America, following
the successful two terms of our nation's first black president.
We currently have our first black and an Aapi vice
president woman of the United States. That we are still
(10:38):
in the midst of experiencing some extraordinary first But here
we are with the nation's oldest civil rights organization having
to issue travel warnings to black people in America.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And you know, Daniel, I'm going to google this because
I wanted to get the quote right. You know, we
mentioned George Waller for those people who forget George Wallace
ran for president. He was also elected as governor of
Alabama in nineteen sixty three. This is what George Wallace said,
in the name of the greatest people that have ever
trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust
(11:16):
and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny. And
I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. And what
I said during the tyranny of Donald Trump's four years
in the White House is that he has a lot
in comma George Wallace. He's a demagogue. In fact, people
(11:38):
support George Wallace should support Donald Trump. So you say devolved.
I say they're returning back to their roots. This is
who they were, And people say, oh, well, job, that's
too harsh. I want to remind you all that Donald
Trump said when the looting starts, the shooting starts, another
(11:58):
famous pro segregation and dog whistle in those parts right
from the sixties. So these folks Ted Cruz and the
modern Republican Party literally, I mean, do we really think
if they took a Dolorean back to the sixties, would
they be on the side of Doctor King or would
they be on the side of George Wallace. And I'll
give you this, don't say gay banning, any treatment of
(12:21):
transgender kids, banning books written by Tony Morrison, going after
Colin Kaepernick for bending a knee, but supporting white supremacists
and Christian nationalists who tried to literally overthrow our election right,
calling Donald Trump, calling the black officer who defended these
Republican congressmen a thug, but praising Ashley Babbitt, who was
(12:43):
radicalized by QAnon, praising people like Kyle Rittenhouse who shan
killed two white folks at a BLM protest, praising and
the guy, the white guy who got convicted by a
jury of his peers in Texas for shooting another protester
at a BLM protest. Tucker Carlson said, parton them, and
Greg Abbat said, sure, I'll part on this white killer
(13:06):
who was convicted by a jury of his peers, literally
lynching I'm at Arbury for jogging while black in his neighborhood.
And if it wasn't for the video that was released,
they would not be in prison. So you tell me, Danielle.
Would these people, these modern Republicans, be on the side
of doctor King because they only know three of his
(13:27):
quotes and forget everything else, especially the condemnation of corrupt
capitalism and white supremacy? Or would they be on the
side of George Wallace? And I would tell you they'd
be on the side of George Wallace. So NAACP is
finally flexing and the way you go after these folks.
And this is why I've always said that white supremacy
(13:47):
is ultimately self destructive because Ron DeSantis, in order to
feed the magabase that has been radicalized and weaponized, has
to go after Disney. He can't double down, he can't retreat,
even though you and I know on the DL the
Republicans like, whoa, whoa, whoa, there round Santiss. You can
bite the hand that feeds you. Now they've gone all
in to feed this radicalized base that wants to stand
(14:07):
its ground. That Florida is, I'm sorry to say, getting
some karma. Disney flex last week, right, they're actually just
a couple of days ago Disney said, all right, that
huge billion.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Dollar complex pulling it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Peace out. NAACP said, oh, Disney's gonna peace out. We're
gonna peace out. Educators are gonna peace out. I think
what about college athletes, black athletes. Will they go to
university Florida schools for football? You tell me, I'm gonna
say no. So this is one of those situations where
you need this multicultural coalition. And when I see the NAACP,
(14:42):
I was serious. I want now the National Organization of Women,
I want Glad, I want all these groups now to say,
all right, Florida, you want to go anti woke you're
gonna go bro. That's my take on this.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You have to go after, right. I think that it
should be colleges, big sports entities, ticket Master, Live Nation,
all of these places that do business that do multi
million dollar or a billion dollar business like Disney and
say so we're done. And there are people wash who
(15:16):
come out and say, well, you know, you can't harm
the people that live there that are trying to do
the best that they can. And I said, well, you know,
money talks and bullshit walks. So if at the end
of the day, we are still operating under this capitalist regime, right,
and you have the power to sway you know, the
(15:36):
ticket masters of the world and the big names from
going and performing in places like Florida, if you have
the ability to say, you know what, NBA, nc DOUBLEA,
NFL and others that we're not going to support you
if you are playing games and giving money to this state.
(15:57):
Because it isn't just construction that is now faltering in Florida,
it is also guess what, agriculture is faltering in Florida, right,
because they literally have fruits and vegetables dying on the vines.
Because our agriculture market requires, right migrant workers.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Whether or not we want to pay them, acknowledge them,
provide them with dignity and respect. This is how things work.
So you know, when I see the NAACP and Equality Florida,
and I think there is one other organization that I
am remiss at remembering right now who has issued warnings
with regard to Florida. I believe that everyone else, the
(16:41):
Human Rights Campaign, glad ACLU, others, Southern Popular Law. Everybody
should fall in line.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I forgot pen America joined up with Penguin Random House,
one of the Titan publishing corporations, to sue Florida. That
happened last week. Also and the last quick thing before.
It also goes to show you, in this capitalist country
where all that matters is money, the color green trumps
all of the colors. In God, we trust it's right there.
(17:11):
It also goes to show you, Danielle, if these corporations
actually cared about freedom, democracy and human rights overnight, there
would be changes in this country. Disney. Disney's kind of
like the unexpected hero because they pushed Disney to the
point where they finally had to step up. Disney could
have done this on its own right, so it just
goes to show you how much power these organizations have
(17:32):
that if you go after their bottom line, they're going
to go after the Republicans that they also feed. But
it also goes to show you that if they actually
cared overnight, they can rain in the Republicans and the
majority can stop, you know, being hijacked by a minority.
That's the sad part. This could happen overnight, you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Know, speaking of things that happened overnight.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, good, well done, excellent segue.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
With a few minutes that we have left the lone
black Republican Senator Tim Scott has you know, said, you
know he's running for president, and you know he's doing
so wa was by stating that America is not a
racist country. Now, we've just spent the last sixteen minutes
(18:15):
talking about all the ways in which America is absolutely
and totally racist, right from hearkening back to George Wallace
to today's policies that are happening to the NAACP's announcement.
But in Tim Scott's America and the reality that he
lives in, in his hehaw America. He believes that anybody
(18:37):
who tells you that America is racist. They are lying
to you. That's what he said in his announcement speech.
And you know, Tim Scott has been the literal blackface
that the Republican Party has trotted out to deal to
come up with compromise legislation that fell apart after the
murder of George Floyd. He was to be working with
(19:01):
his counterpart, Senator Corey Booker to create legislation that would,
I don't know, stop cops from being able to kill
unarmed black people and use police brutality and wield unimaginable force.
And that all fell apart after about eight months, and
they have yet to come back to the table again
on those issues. But anytime there is an issue with
(19:24):
regard to race or racism, it is Tim Scott that
the Republican parties pushed to the front, and he is
saying that he wants us to get back to a
place of unity right where we can have differences with
one another, but that we are all part of the
same American team. He harkened back to Reagan that America
is this beacon on the hill. He pulled out every
(19:47):
single trope, every single Republican talking point, But the differentiator
here is that he is not referring to his Democratic
opponents as his enemies. He is not calling for them
to be round up and hunted like dogs, like Governor
McMaster just said at a South Carolina Republican convention meeting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Wow that one. Wow Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, rounded up and hunted like dogs. That he wants
them Democrats to be so rare that that is the case,
and Democrats in South Carolina are calling on him for
an apology. I better they wait for hell to freeze over.
What do you make of Tim Scott his announcement and
how he is positioning himself right now with another black
(20:32):
quote unquote rising star Byron Donalds, who is an election denier.
Who's the other black face that Republicans are loving to
trot out.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Every community has a token, a cultural validator, a black
or brown face that acts as a trojan horse for
white supremacy, one who believes that they are either special
and exalted and different from US savages. The Clarence Thomas
wants the ones who hate themselves or the ones who
realize this is a good gig because the money is
(21:04):
lucrative and I can parrot all their talking points and
I'll be the token black I'll be the Candice Owens.
I'll be the Nikki Haley, the vivid Ramaswami. Right. And
the interesting thing is they engage in all these petzel
circusile rational you know, gymnastics in their head. Nikki Haley
said the same thing when she ran for when she
announced her candidacy, and literally right when she did, and
(21:25):
Colter told her to go back to her own country.
People always forget this, right, Literally, Donald Trump said she
has the wrong complexion to be my running mate. Right,
So they're being racist to their face and they sit
there and they eat their shit sandwich, because that's the
fausting bargain. Tim Scott knows what's up, but he's made
this fasting bargain. He's never going to be president. He
(21:45):
effed up. Literally, he took the mic and did a
Howard Dean moment and effed up even making his announcement.
So it's over. He's he's going to be a punch line.
But what he'll get is a lifelong tenure in the
Republican Party as the token black. He'll get a six
to seven figure book deal, he'll get a consulting gig,
and he'll allow Republicans to get away with the fiction
(22:07):
that they're not racist, because look, we support the black yep.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It is a gig as old as time right to
be and I love your phrasing, the embodiment of the
trojan horse for white supremacy. It is it can't possibly
exist because I exist, right, And the reality is Tip Scott,
you know his grandfather, I believe, you know, pick cotton, right,
(22:36):
lived in the lived under the weight of segregation. And
so Tip Scott has a lot to be proud of.
His family has a lot to be proud of. Right,
you go from in two generations from picking cotton to
picking policy, and that is that has always been you know,
his line of thinking. But there's something that got contorted
(22:59):
into did in his mind about because he had said
ability and advantages that then every black person in this
country has had the same ability and advantages And everything
else that we see is just a product of our imagination.
And if we just ignore it, if we just align
with our oppressor and be grateful to share stages with
(23:22):
them and share microphones with them, then all will be well.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Pull your pull yourself up from.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yes right, and don't let your don't let your complexion
be what causes you to not be able to succeed.
That's just an excuse, right, So it is it is
such an incredible place where you named you name checked
all of these black and brown faces. Uh, that the
Republican Party is pushing forward to cloak their white supremacy
(23:53):
in right, And and I just wonder do you think
last question for you, how do we we think this
is gonna fair in the long run? The Decks and
the Nikkis and the Byrons and the Tim Scotts. You know,
is this the new Republican Party or just the same
old ropodope?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know, Colonialism like herpies, lingers forever, and it gets
passed on generation and generation. And it's not just black people,
but it's people of color who've come to this country, right,
They unconsciously, oftentimes chased whiteness for protection and safety. And
I've given this analogy before they came here, like, huh,
who's winning, who's creating the policies, who's on top, who's
(24:35):
on the billboards, who's the hero white folks, who's in jail,
who's hated? Who's beating up black people? Even though my
natural allies will be the black and brown folks, let
me chase whiteness. I'll never be white, but I'll be protected.
I'll be asymptotic to whiteness, right, and then you engage
in all these rationalizations, and I am the good one.
If they only pull themselves up from the bootstraps like me,
(24:57):
if they got rid of their pathology and self loathing,
if they became post racist, then everything would be better.
And yet time and time again, you can't wipe off
the blackness and the brownness. This country reminds you violently
your place in the hierarchy. And so what I think
is going to happen is that whiteness has always evolved
to survive. It is trying to win over Latinos and
(25:20):
Asians and black folks through family values, through the transgender panic.
I think they will win over a minority of our community.
I think they will, and I think you're going to see,
like the Latino white supremacist in Texas who killed eight people,
We're going to see more and more of that. But
I do think the cruelty of white supremacy is finally
(25:42):
animating enough people, Danielle, thanks to the work of Martin
Luther King, the Silver Rights Movement, our ancestors who fought
in bled that they say I'm done with this, and
enough whites. Maybe if enough whites can say, oh, this
is self destructive for our families and this country, we
can get that coalition of about seventy percent. But I
think this will be the norm. You're gonna see more tokens.
(26:03):
You're going to see more Latino, black, brown, white supremacists,
and you're gonna see our community having to call them
out and expose them and do more education. I know
that's not the answer that people want, but that's my
realistic answer as to how white supremacy will evolve to
try to stave off the inevitable minority majority that is America.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, Wajah hot Ali, my good good friend. I thank
you so much for all of your work, for the
continued ways that you use your platform to sound an alarm.
I know that they don't listen to us all the time,
but our track record, as you say on Democracy Ish
every week, we're bat in one hundred over there. If
(26:48):
only we would be wrong, then we would be multi
millionaires and have our own shows on Fox but Friends.
If you enjoy our conversation today on make sure to
check out WA and I each and every Thursday on
Democracy Ish. You can catch Democracy Ish wherever you get
(27:10):
your podcasts. And if you have not read Wah's book,
go back to where you came from. Folks, you are
missing out. Be sure to get your copya. We appreciate you.
That is it for me today. Dear friends on wokf
as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power,
(27:32):
get woke and stay woke as fuck.
Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with me
your Girl, Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the home Bunker. Folks.
It is our holiday week at WOKF and as we
wind down seven incredible years of bringing you interviews and
information and content, I've wanted to revisit some of the
most important conversation I think that we've had on WOKF
(00:35):
and so I'm excited to revisit this conversation with my
co host of Democracy Ish, which is live on my
YouTube channel Fridays at twelve pm Eastern, with my friend
jahahat Ali. In this episode from last year, we talk
about the self destructiveness of white supremacy and if you remember,
(00:58):
at this time back in twenty twenty three, the NAACP
had issued a travel advisory on the state of Florida
as Ron DeSantis' fascist agenda began to take hold. The
NAACP and what would follow are some LGBTQ organizations that
(01:20):
would say that Florida ain't safe for us, and so
you may want to be advised. And in this conversation,
Jase and I unpack white supremacy and you know how
we are going to navigate through this very self destructive,
self eating, self defeating ideology. And you know this comes
(01:44):
right now with a couple of weeks until Donald Trump
takes the oath that we know that he will break
as soon as he puts his hand on that Bible
to give a damn about our constitution to uphold it.
And we know that Donald Trump could care less about
our constitution. And frankly, right now it doesn't even seem
(02:05):
like he's actually the president elect. It more so seems
like Elon Muskiz. Has anybody heard from JD Vance? Probably not?
So Buckle up as we revisit this conversation, because sometimes
going backwards helps us figure out our path forward. Folks,
I am always very excited when I get to bring
(02:27):
on my co host, my weekly co host of a
Democracy Ishaha hot al Lee, who is an author, a
columnist and all around badass on Twitter. If you have
not read his book go back to where you come
from and other helpful tips you should And if you're
loving wokf daily on iHeart, you should absolutely check out
(02:50):
Democracy Ish, which drops new episodes each and every Thursday
with Waja Hot and I and some really amazing, amazing
guests that we get into conversation with SOA was you know,
first of all, I just America. You know, I'll just
(03:10):
start there America and then slap my head and we
can just go from there. But over the weekend, the
NAACP issued a really intense warning to black people in
America and members of other marginalized groups in saying that
(03:33):
you should be wary of traveling to the state of Florida,
that Florida is essentially a hate state, that it is
a dangerous state for black people, for LGBTQ people, for women.
It was lengthy, it was necessary, and it harkens back
(03:58):
to essentially a time in this country during Jim Crow
segregation where Black Americans had to if they were traveling,
they got something called a green book Juaja hot Ali.
They got a green book at different gas stations in
different places of respites in between their travels from the
(04:22):
North throughout the South that would signal to them in
providing great detail places that would accept their money and
their presence as black people, whether it was at a
restaurant or a gas station or a hotel. And traveling
was so precarious and could end up resulting in a lynching,
(04:44):
a rape, a robbery, a beating, all of these things,
that the Green Book was necessary created by Victor Green,
a postal worker who created this and printed it himself
and was disseminated throughout the South. And so here we
are fast forward to twenty twenty three, where the nacious,
(05:09):
longest and oldest civil rights organization has made this stark warning.
How did that land with you?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I thought The Green Book was a movie where Vigo
Mortensen was taught by Mahershala Ali how to write letters
to his wife and then they and then they had
been Ali Weather. Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. Look. I
think the NAACP should be joined by the National Organization
of Women, who should give an advisory to women who
want to go to Florida because Ron DeSantis, the wet
(05:40):
noodle that we have always said that he is on
our other podcast, has now restricted abortions after six weeks.
I think GLAD or any organization that represents LGBTQ plus
communities should also issue an advisory because don't say gay.
I think educators and librarians should all so issue an
(06:00):
advisory because they're banning books, they're banning ap African American studies,
they're silencing academics and they're threatening librarians. And I also
think any group that tries to protect immigrants, especially on
document immigrants, should also issue an advisory warning because with
the new anti immigration bill, which none enough people are
(06:22):
talking about that he passed, basically they could just stop
anyone who looks mexicany ask them for their papers, and
out of state driver's licenses apparently aren't enough. So it
has led to Danielle as of last week and something
that people should mention massive stoppages in construction in Florida.
Why because just like in the African American community, in
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the immigrant community and migrant community, especially the Latino communities
weren't spread and people are like, yo, unless you want
to get detained and deported, don't go to Florida. So
I would say, Danielle, if you go anti woke, you'll
go broke. And another thing I'll say is good on
the NAACP. And we were talking about this earlier. A
(07:07):
tweet came out from a friend of ours, historian Kevin
Cruise of Princeton, who's excellent on Twitter follow him if
you don't and Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, who cares
so much about his constituents that whenever there's trouble, he
goes to can Kun. You know he's now leading the
charge with all these other Republicans. How dare you, nubacap,
how dare you? And he invokes doctor King. Doctor King
(07:32):
would be so embarrassed, and then Camvin Cruz says, ah,
as a historian, I have receipts. Actually, Doctor King back
in the day called for a boycott of this state
called Alabama, precisely because as you described, Danielle, it was
a haven for white violence, white vigilante violence against black
(07:54):
people and those whites who helped black people.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So yeah, So Kevin Cruz and folks, it is Kevin
and Cruz k r U s E. He tweeted this
in response to Ted Cruz, who said, quote, this is
bizarre and utterly dishonest. In the nineteen fifties and sixties,
the NAACP did extraordinary good thing, good good helping lead
(08:23):
the civil rights movement. Today, doctor Kin would be ashamed
of how profoundly they've lost their way. So quote tweeting
that Professor Kevin Cruz tweets this. In nineteen sixty five,
doctor King called for a national boycott of the State
of Alabama saying that the Democratic governor George Wallace's policies
(08:44):
constituted a quote, reign of terror against black Americans. And so,
just so folks don't get it twisted, Ted Cruz knows nothing,
and I know that it is. It is very hard
to dig into the bin of idiots see and lack
of intellectual nimbleness and honesty when we're talking about the
(09:05):
Republican Party writ large, but in particular Ted Cruz much
alike Republicans love to do coming around the Martin Luther
King Junior Holiday, which is to take out the one
quote that they know out of its context. Daniel quotes,
you're right, you're right, and admonish black people for acknowledging
(09:29):
the racist policies that they put together, because US acknowledging
racism is what is racist, not the policies in and
of itself. So Professor Cruse said, let me provide you
with the actual receipts of the New York Times article
that was written in nineteen sixty five. And so I
think was what gets me here is that facts don't
(09:52):
register with the Party of Lies and the Party of hate.
But what should register with Americans and the pop is
that this party hasn't just regressed, it has devolved, right,
It has devolved into something where we thought that the
commentary that we understood around the civil rights movement we
(10:16):
would always look at through a historical lens. But here
we are in present day, twenty twenty three America, following
the successful two terms of our nation's first black president.
We currently have our first black and an Aapi vice
president woman of the United States. That we are still
(10:38):
in the midst of experiencing some extraordinary first But here
we are with the nation's oldest civil rights organization having
to issue travel warnings to black people in America.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And you know, Daniel, I'm going to google this because
I wanted to get the quote right. You know, we
mentioned George Waller for those people who forget George Wallace
ran for president. He was also elected as governor of
Alabama in nineteen sixty three. This is what George Wallace said,
in the name of the greatest people that have ever
trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust
(11:16):
and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny. And
I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. And what
I said during the tyranny of Donald Trump's four years
in the White House is that he has a lot
in comma George Wallace. He's a demagogue. In fact, people
(11:38):
support George Wallace should support Donald Trump. So you say devolved.
I say they're returning back to their roots. This is
who they were, And people say, oh, well, job, that's
too harsh. I want to remind you all that Donald
Trump said when the looting starts, the shooting starts, another
(11:58):
famous pro segregation and dog whistle in those parts right
from the sixties. So these folks Ted Cruz and the
modern Republican Party literally, I mean, do we really think
if they took a Dolorean back to the sixties, would
they be on the side of Doctor King or would
they be on the side of George Wallace. And I'll
give you this, don't say gay banning, any treatment of
(12:21):
transgender kids, banning books written by Tony Morrison, going after
Colin Kaepernick for bending a knee, but supporting white supremacists
and Christian nationalists who tried to literally overthrow our election right,
calling Donald Trump, calling the black officer who defended these
Republican congressmen a thug, but praising Ashley Babbitt, who was
(12:43):
radicalized by QAnon, praising people like Kyle Rittenhouse who shan
killed two white folks at a BLM protest, praising and
the guy, the white guy who got convicted by a
jury of his peers in Texas for shooting another protester
at a BLM protest. Tucker Carlson said, parton them, and
Greg Abbat said, sure, I'll part on this white killer
(13:06):
who was convicted by a jury of his peers, literally
lynching I'm at Arbury for jogging while black in his neighborhood.
And if it wasn't for the video that was released,
they would not be in prison. So you tell me, Danielle.
Would these people, these modern Republicans, be on the side
of doctor King because they only know three of his
(13:27):
quotes and forget everything else, especially the condemnation of corrupt
capitalism and white supremacy? Or would they be on the
side of George Wallace? And I would tell you they'd
be on the side of George Wallace. So NAACP is
finally flexing and the way you go after these folks.
And this is why I've always said that white supremacy
(13:47):
is ultimately self destructive because Ron DeSantis, in order to
feed the magabase that has been radicalized and weaponized, has
to go after Disney. He can't double down, he can't retreat,
even though you and I know on the DL the
Republicans like, whoa, whoa, whoa, there round Santiss. You can
bite the hand that feeds you. Now they've gone all
in to feed this radicalized base that wants to stand
(14:07):
its ground. That Florida is, I'm sorry to say, getting
some karma. Disney flex last week, right, they're actually just
a couple of days ago Disney said, all right, that
huge billion.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Dollar complex pulling it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Peace out. NAACP said, oh, Disney's gonna peace out. We're
gonna peace out. Educators are gonna peace out. I think
what about college athletes, black athletes. Will they go to
university Florida schools for football? You tell me, I'm gonna
say no. So this is one of those situations where
you need this multicultural coalition. And when I see the NAACP,
(14:42):
I was serious. I want now the National Organization of Women,
I want Glad, I want all these groups now to say,
all right, Florida, you want to go anti woke you're
gonna go bro. That's my take on this.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You have to go after, right. I think that it
should be colleges, big sports entities, ticket Master, Live Nation,
all of these places that do business that do multi
million dollar or a billion dollar business like Disney and
say so we're done. And there are people wash who
(15:16):
come out and say, well, you know, you can't harm
the people that live there that are trying to do
the best that they can. And I said, well, you know,
money talks and bullshit walks. So if at the end
of the day, we are still operating under this capitalist regime, right,
and you have the power to sway you know, the
(15:36):
ticket masters of the world and the big names from
going and performing in places like Florida, if you have
the ability to say, you know what, NBA, nc DOUBLEA,
NFL and others that we're not going to support you
if you are playing games and giving money to this state.
(15:57):
Because it isn't just construction that is now faltering in Florida,
it is also guess what, agriculture is faltering in Florida, right,
because they literally have fruits and vegetables dying on the vines.
Because our agriculture market requires, right migrant workers.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Whether or not we want to pay them, acknowledge them,
provide them with dignity and respect. This is how things work.
So you know, when I see the NAACP and Equality Florida,
and I think there is one other organization that I
am remiss at remembering right now who has issued warnings
with regard to Florida. I believe that everyone else, the
(16:41):
Human Rights Campaign, glad ACLU, others, Southern Popular Law. Everybody
should fall in line.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I forgot pen America joined up with Penguin Random House,
one of the Titan publishing corporations, to sue Florida. That
happened last week. Also and the last quick thing before.
It also goes to show you, in this capitalist country
where all that matters is money, the color green trumps
all of the colors. In God, we trust it's right there.
(17:11):
It also goes to show you, Danielle, if these corporations
actually cared about freedom, democracy and human rights overnight, there
would be changes in this country. Disney. Disney's kind of
like the unexpected hero because they pushed Disney to the
point where they finally had to step up. Disney could
have done this on its own right, so it just
goes to show you how much power these organizations have
(17:32):
that if you go after their bottom line, they're going
to go after the Republicans that they also feed. But
it also goes to show you that if they actually
cared overnight, they can rain in the Republicans and the
majority can stop, you know, being hijacked by a minority.
That's the sad part. This could happen overnight, you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Know, speaking of things that happened overnight.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, good, well done, excellent segue.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
With a few minutes that we have left the lone
black Republican Senator Tim Scott has you know, said, you
know he's running for president, and you know he's doing
so wa was by stating that America is not a
racist country. Now, we've just spent the last sixteen minutes
(18:15):
talking about all the ways in which America is absolutely
and totally racist, right from hearkening back to George Wallace
to today's policies that are happening to the NAACP's announcement.
But in Tim Scott's America and the reality that he
lives in, in his hehaw America. He believes that anybody
(18:37):
who tells you that America is racist. They are lying
to you. That's what he said in his announcement speech.
And you know, Tim Scott has been the literal blackface
that the Republican Party has trotted out to deal to
come up with compromise legislation that fell apart after the
murder of George Floyd. He was to be working with
(19:01):
his counterpart, Senator Corey Booker to create legislation that would,
I don't know, stop cops from being able to kill
unarmed black people and use police brutality and wield unimaginable force.
And that all fell apart after about eight months, and
they have yet to come back to the table again
on those issues. But anytime there is an issue with
(19:24):
regard to race or racism, it is Tim Scott that
the Republican parties pushed to the front, and he is
saying that he wants us to get back to a
place of unity right where we can have differences with
one another, but that we are all part of the
same American team. He harkened back to Reagan that America
is this beacon on the hill. He pulled out every
(19:47):
single trope, every single Republican talking point, But the differentiator
here is that he is not referring to his Democratic
opponents as his enemies. He is not calling for them
to be round up and hunted like dogs, like Governor
McMaster just said at a South Carolina Republican convention meeting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Wow that one. Wow Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, rounded up and hunted like dogs. That he wants
them Democrats to be so rare that that is the case,
and Democrats in South Carolina are calling on him for
an apology. I better they wait for hell to freeze over.
What do you make of Tim Scott his announcement and
how he is positioning himself right now with another black
(20:32):
quote unquote rising star Byron Donalds, who is an election denier.
Who's the other black face that Republicans are loving to
trot out.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Every community has a token, a cultural validator, a black
or brown face that acts as a trojan horse for
white supremacy, one who believes that they are either special
and exalted and different from US savages. The Clarence Thomas
wants the ones who hate themselves or the ones who
realize this is a good gig because the money is
(21:04):
lucrative and I can parrot all their talking points and
I'll be the token black I'll be the Candice Owens.
I'll be the Nikki Haley, the vivid Ramaswami. Right. And
the interesting thing is they engage in all these petzel
circusile rational you know, gymnastics in their head. Nikki Haley
said the same thing when she ran for when she
announced her candidacy, and literally right when she did, and
(21:25):
Colter told her to go back to her own country.
People always forget this, right, Literally, Donald Trump said she
has the wrong complexion to be my running mate. Right,
So they're being racist to their face and they sit
there and they eat their shit sandwich, because that's the
fausting bargain. Tim Scott knows what's up, but he's made
this fasting bargain. He's never going to be president. He
(21:45):
effed up. Literally, he took the mic and did a
Howard Dean moment and effed up even making his announcement.
So it's over. He's he's going to be a punch line.
But what he'll get is a lifelong tenure in the
Republican Party as the token black. He'll get a six
to seven figure book deal, he'll get a consulting gig,
and he'll allow Republicans to get away with the fiction
(22:07):
that they're not racist, because look, we support the black yep.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It is a gig as old as time right to
be and I love your phrasing, the embodiment of the
trojan horse for white supremacy. It is it can't possibly
exist because I exist, right, And the reality is Tip Scott,
you know his grandfather, I believe, you know, pick cotton, right,
(22:36):
lived in the lived under the weight of segregation. And
so Tip Scott has a lot to be proud of.
His family has a lot to be proud of. Right,
you go from in two generations from picking cotton to
picking policy, and that is that has always been you know,
his line of thinking. But there's something that got contorted
(22:59):
into did in his mind about because he had said
ability and advantages that then every black person in this
country has had the same ability and advantages And everything
else that we see is just a product of our imagination.
And if we just ignore it, if we just align
with our oppressor and be grateful to share stages with
(23:22):
them and share microphones with them, then all will be well.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Pull your pull yourself up from.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yes right, and don't let your don't let your complexion
be what causes you to not be able to succeed.
That's just an excuse, right, So it is it is
such an incredible place where you named you name checked
all of these black and brown faces. Uh, that the
Republican Party is pushing forward to cloak their white supremacy
(23:53):
in right, And and I just wonder do you think
last question for you, how do we we think this
is gonna fair in the long run? The Decks and
the Nikkis and the Byrons and the Tim Scotts. You know,
is this the new Republican Party or just the same
old ropodope?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know, Colonialism like herpies, lingers forever, and it gets
passed on generation and generation. And it's not just black people,
but it's people of color who've come to this country, right,
They unconsciously, oftentimes chased whiteness for protection and safety. And
I've given this analogy before they came here, like, huh,
who's winning, who's creating the policies, who's on top, who's
(24:35):
on the billboards, who's the hero white folks, who's in jail,
who's hated? Who's beating up black people? Even though my
natural allies will be the black and brown folks, let
me chase whiteness. I'll never be white, but I'll be protected.
I'll be asymptotic to whiteness, right, and then you engage
in all these rationalizations, and I am the good one.
If they only pull themselves up from the bootstraps like me,
(24:57):
if they got rid of their pathology and self loathing,
if they became post racist, then everything would be better.
And yet time and time again, you can't wipe off
the blackness and the brownness. This country reminds you violently
your place in the hierarchy. And so what I think
is going to happen is that whiteness has always evolved
to survive. It is trying to win over Latinos and
(25:20):
Asians and black folks through family values, through the transgender panic.
I think they will win over a minority of our community.
I think they will, and I think you're going to see,
like the Latino white supremacist in Texas who killed eight people,
We're going to see more and more of that. But
I do think the cruelty of white supremacy is finally
(25:42):
animating enough people, Danielle, thanks to the work of Martin
Luther King, the Silver Rights Movement, our ancestors who fought
in bled that they say I'm done with this, and
enough whites. Maybe if enough whites can say, oh, this
is self destructive for our families and this country, we
can get that coalition of about seventy percent. But I
think this will be the norm. You're gonna see more tokens.
(26:03):
You're going to see more Latino, black, brown, white supremacists,
and you're gonna see our community having to call them
out and expose them and do more education. I know
that's not the answer that people want, but that's my
realistic answer as to how white supremacy will evolve to
try to stave off the inevitable minority majority that is America.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Well, Wajah hot Ali, my good good friend. I thank
you so much for all of your work, for the
continued ways that you use your platform to sound an alarm.
I know that they don't listen to us all the time,
but our track record, as you say on Democracy Ish
every week, we're bat in one hundred over there. If
(26:48):
only we would be wrong, then we would be multi
millionaires and have our own shows on Fox but Friends.
If you enjoy our conversation today on make sure to
check out WA and I each and every Thursday on
Democracy Ish. You can catch Democracy Ish wherever you get
(27:10):
your podcasts. And if you have not read Wah's book,
go back to where you came from. Folks, you are
missing out. Be sure to get your copya. We appreciate you.
That is it for me today. Dear friends on wokf
as always, Power to the people and to all the people. Power,
(27:32):
get woke and stay woke as fuck.
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