In Which We Talk About Canada's Indigenous Mass Graves

Today we talk with Lance from The Serfs about the indigenous mass grave found in Canada, and the country's history of genocide and abuse against indigenous people.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart
Radio Together Everything, So don't don't Welcome to the Worst

(00:22):
Year Ever. The podcast that started three minutes in eighteen
seconds ago. Um, we talk about like the news and ship.
What do we do? What do we do? Katie? What
is our job? We talk about the news and ship.
We talked about the New York Cody and Robert. Alright, alright,
you know, it's unclear what our purview is. We set
out with a specific goal. That goal was quickly squashed

(00:46):
and it became something else, and here we are well
past the original Worst Year Ever, but a new and
exciting Worst Year Ever. It's also unclear if the episode
did start three or four minutes ago or if it
started now. I don't know. I don't care. It's going
it's been done started, Cody, we done, did it? Here

(01:09):
we go? Why don't you introduce our guests for first
America's Back. Baby is back Baby. Uh, we're not going
to talk about that. We're not talking about that today.
I did that for Sophie. I hope it was dirty, Okay,
Um today, Uh, we were going to talk about this

(01:31):
last week actually in our little Hodgepodge episode of catching
Katie up on the news. Um, but we felt we
wanted to give it a little more time. Uh and
so we're doing that now. That's what we're doing today.
Um and with us to discuss This is a lance
from the comedy stream sketch duo The Surfs. I think,

(01:55):
thank thank you very much for having me. It's it's
an absolute pleasure and an honor to be here. Hey, Cody,
you did a really good job on that intro. I'm
proud of you. Small note you didn't specify what it
is we're having that it's a surprise. It's all part
of the illusion. I have some some good news from

(02:15):
the internet before we get into things. The Libertarian Party
of New Hampshire just announced that it's it's starting a
crusade to legalize child labor, which very excited about labors.
Talking about ages and what is the appropriate age for
things long been one of uh Robert's causes. So I'm

(02:39):
I'm thrilled for you man. I think if you're if
you're in the upper ten percent of the income bracket,
your kids should have to work in a coal mine
and live in the coal mine. You don't get to
keep them like they become the minds school in the
mind or they could be the canaries. They do whatever
you want with them. They're basically slay. Yes, we can

(03:02):
arry well. When Robert said a good news from the Internet,
I thought I was gonna tell us that we all
can now confirm that Jeff Bezos looks terrible in a
cowboy hat. Oh no, there actually any doubt. Tom cut
cob a second time and I he's dead. Any number
of possibilities came through my head. Who knows. My favorite

(03:23):
thing about that uh that libertarian uh uh child labor
tweet is that you can Gary Johnson replies to it
and he's like, I don't know, guys, come on, uh,
and like everyone's mostly supporting Johnson there, but it's it's
reminds me of that one clip from their debate when
they talk about a driver's license and the guys like,

(03:45):
what I needed one for my toaster and Gary Johnson
is like, I don't know. I think it's reasonable to
ask for some sort of proficiency when you're operating a
motor vehicle. And this is a crowd of booze. That
was the best because that's un ironically the thing I
agree with about libertarians, no driver's licenses, mandatory cars. Mhm

(04:07):
hm No, I have no notes to reduce carbon emissions
because there will be less living drivers after about six weeks.
I mean, there's a positive spin. Yeah, it's not fashion.
A lot of things are going to spin, Katie. Yeah,
oh boy, all right, this is really is setting the

(04:29):
tone for our conversation. I disagree with you completely too.
I just and none of our listeners could see the
face I made, which was a huge, huge cringe. Okay,
let us talk about what we're actually talking about today.
UM so uh, last week, UM, a mass grave was
found of children, UM at a residential school in Canada. Um.

(04:54):
And there's a long history of this and this is
just the school system in Canada. We had we had
some in America too, UM and uh, it's just sort
of ongoing issue and this is um it's the fact
that they found this is wild and it's just like
the tip of the iceberg. It seems that there they
are going to be. There are many more throughout the country. UM.

(05:19):
But Lance, I don't know if you want to sort
of just jump right in and yeah, oh well you
you have just set us up for the greatest premise
of comedy ever, right, this is yeah, this is one
rule of three, this is too and so the third
um Yeah, I don't even know where to start with

(05:39):
this one. I think it's um, it's it's really sad
that this is something that is suddenly awoken. I think
the world to this. But anyone who is well aware
or part of the indigenous communities in Canada. Uh, and
I grew up with an Indigenous mother who I guess
tried to make me familiar with these kind of things,
knows that this is This is absolutely no surprise. This
is one of a d thirty nine schools. So this

(06:02):
is you know, this is school one nine that most
likely have a funk ton of mass graves of children. Unfortunately,
this one wasn't even dug up. It's not as if
they dug up the remains and found a whole bunch
of like little baby skeletons. This was a satellite imagery
photo that allowed them to see that that was down there.
But the I mean, there's no way to talk about

(06:23):
this without this going really tragic from the get go. Um.
The majority of the families of those kids were told
that their kids had ran away. Um, So anyone who's
not familiar with residential school system of Canada, And I'll
try to get into it a bit that that is
what most of the Indigenous families were told, is that
their kids just ran away, when in fact they were

(06:43):
effectively murdered through this program. And this program was going
on for how long it was? This is a long
standing program. I would love to dig into a little
bit of the history here because I think, yeah, go ahead, yeah, no, no,
absolutely so, how much do y'all know about the father
of Canada, Sir Johnny McDonald's. Yeah, bit, we we did

(07:06):
a bastard's episode on the Residential schools um and he
was I remember a cool dude, okay, uh right, yeah,
he's the guy burgers in Canada. Yeah, um so, Sir
john A. McDonald, Which y'all, y'all of the the Yankee

(07:29):
Doodle variety. You guys have had a problem for a
little while with tearing statues down. I've heard that's that's
an offensive thing for for Americans to do to try
to abolish their history. Well, we need to. We need
reminders of all of our historical monsters out in public. Yeah,
that's why, that's why there's a giant Hitler statue right
next door to my house, so that I can look

(07:49):
out and go, oh, yeah, that was a bad idea. Well,
if we don't have we don't have these statues out
in public, then we won't learn from uh these in
this history, um, which we've we've done because of the
statues are there. Yeah, all of the learning we've done
will stope, we exactly forget the statues anyway, we've done

(08:09):
that as a tangent bit. Um. Well, I was I
was gonna say, we're joking, but didn't Marjorie Taylor Green
actually say that out loud recently, something something the effect that, like,
you know, I need to have a Hitler statue so
I can teach my children about Superna. I know, like
I just mean we're doing it as a bit, but

(08:29):
that that's a that's the real thing. I know. It's
hard to do bits these days. So anyways, with sir,
with Sir Johnny, that that's been along standing thing here
obviously in Canada, where you know, their statues of him
are being covered in blood, but for good reason, because
he was an absolute monsters. He's considered the father of

(08:50):
this country in the sense that he he united what
was once a major corporation that's in big company used
to actually own the majority of what we now call Canada.
Um he actually, yeah, the Hudson Bay Company, which was
exclusively used I think mainly for fur treating. That was
that was a big part of the inception in Canada. Anyways. Uh.
He was a genocidal maniac who was more concerned with

(09:13):
the mass dirivation of indigenous people and was also one
of the fathers and architects of the residential school system
in Canada, which from its inception, the purpose of it
was to quote remove the Indian from within. So the
idea was that they would take all these children, they
would put them into residential schools and effectively remove their language,
their culture, their history, the religion, uh, their names, everything

(09:38):
to try and make them more Rian, to try and
make them more white and pure as as a method
of I guess not even culturally erasing them, but effectively
erasing what they deemed to be. Uh. I don't know
if a nice way to put this. I'm sorry, this
entire episode is gonna be so dark. It's not gonna

(09:58):
be a lot of a lot of comedy here. Um
is what it is we have. We had Uh. The
most famous one here is the Carlisle uh in Indian
industrial school. Um here where Uh. It was just that
it was to erase the them, erased them, um. And

(10:19):
basically it's sort of assimilate them, like well, you have
to learn how to talk this way, you gotta learn
how to do this, You gotta learn how to do this.
You gotta stop ignore, like forget everything, um that you
grew up with. Here's uh how you have to act um.
And it is just ethnic cleansing, that's what it is. Yeah.
And it also I mean they just this same year,
stories came out that industrial schools in Ireland were found

(10:42):
with um mass graves in them. Um it's a there's
like a lot that's wrapped up in this, a lot
of cool Catholic church to kill the Indians, save the
man was their phrase, similar to Yeah in Ireland, no no, no, no.
School was like wait a minute, well well well here okay,

(11:05):
Uh yeah, I mean similar things in Australia as well. Uh,
similar programs were were enacted there. Um. What they effectively
were doing in Canada is they were literally taking children
from their mother's arms uh and ripping them from their
families and then forcibly putting them into these schools, sometimes
for a year, sometimes for multiple years, where the children
were indoctrinated to be able to UH effectively erased their language,

(11:28):
their names, they were actually given sometimes serial numbers his
names UH instead of their actual given Aboriginal names redigenous
names UM. And effectively, in these programs UH, they were
systematically tortured UM, both physically as well sexually. There's thousands
upon thousands of cases of kids experiencing sexual abuse and

(11:50):
torture under these schools. And the I mean, I don't
know if there's any way to characterize which was one
of the worst aspects of this, but time and time again,
it would seem that these children UM were effectively unable
to return to to normal life. I mean the level
of trauma that was experienced both to the families and

(12:12):
then intergenerationally to you know, the the the offspring UM
still has not had any way of UM i'd say, UH,
settling itself within UM, you know, the Canadian sphere. I.
I don't know where you would really want to start
in terms of, you know, the history of these schools themselves. UM.

(12:36):
If you want to, like, if you wanted to jumping
off point. Uh, they they effectively were um utilized on
a mass level since, like you know, dearly, I think
nine was one of the first ones that was established. Uh.
They were effectively started by the Catholic Church itself and
then they got taken over by the federal government to
Canada and then effectively it was just government of Canada

(12:58):
that was an acting these around the city. These was
what became known as the sixties coupe in Canada, in
which the Government of Canada was ramping up this entire system,
uh to which the numbers became absolutely abhorrent around that time,
where you're literally taking thousands of thousands of kids from
their families to put into these schools. And these programs
lasted until I mean I read somewhere in mid nineties

(13:24):
was when the last one closed down. That's shockingly recent.
Mm hmm. I mean, you know how Canada is always
associated with hockey. I think the last time we won
the Standling Cup was so Texas has wanted more frequently unfortunately.
Um So, yeah, ninety six. It's one of those things

(13:47):
where people like to talk about this is if it's uh,
it's something that happened long ago. Um, but one of
the reasons that I hopefully we can explore the concepts
of land back and stuff like that a little bit later,
because I know a lot of people in the left
seemed to sometimes office skate uh the land back movement,
with people saying like go back to Europe or something

(14:08):
like that, right that, Like, I wouldn't mind clarifying that
a little bit, um. But when it comes to the
specifics of this program, the ongoing genocide of indigenous peoples
in Canada, it's still ongoing, which is what I really
try to stress to people, like especially in like in
in BC alone. Uh, this year, it came out that
Indigenous kids are getting i U. D s forcibly inserted

(14:30):
into them. I'm talking girls as young as like ten
years old getting d S. I mean, that's that's effectively eugenics, right,
Like if if you wanted to find it, forcibly inserting
something into a child is also assault. Yes, yeah, yeah,
there's a whole program of for sterilization. I mean, I
guess you can call it that program. But I feel

(14:52):
like some of what I've read about that is is
incredibly recent, you know, and trying to force I've read
one story of an Indigenous woman Canada had five children
or whatever, and then the doctor forced her to you know,
have a hysterectomy while she was after she gave birth
to her child, against which is like like just like

(15:15):
doubly like statistic, just like right after you have the
child to like this. It's it's it's not share right
like you. Yeah, it's it's straight up Nazi ship. Uh
it was. It was two thousand and eight when a
class action lawsuit was launched in Saskatchewan where hundreds of
Indigenous women came forward to say that exactly what you're
talking about, that was such a such a systemic problem.

(15:38):
They were actually being told by the the provincial governments
of Canada, under our public health care system that they
had to undergo uh forces, directomeans or stuff of that
nature just receive healthcare. So it's an ongoing issue. When
when people talk about, you know, the genocide of indigenous
people's in this country, I'm assuming there's an element because

(15:58):
I get we just did some coverage of the industrial
schools in Ireland, which you know that that mostly stopped
by the mid nineties. Um there. One of the things
that they started doing from the fifties on was the
Catholic Church would take babies from parents and adopt them
out for money. And so it was both like it
was like a child trafficking thing, and I'm assuming like

(16:20):
that there was some some effort similar to that to
like get kids out of their homes and and make
a profit on it at the same time. Yeah, I mean,
capitalism does play an element to this. I'm sure we
can't talk about this without at some point bringing that up.
That was that was obviously a big issue for um.

(16:41):
John A. McDonald for example, he was he was seen
as what was quote the nation builder, UM, you know,
obviously a big man to to fight against strike movements
and stuff like that. Um. The profit element obviously comes
into this as well, if we're talking about how the
the initial fur trade itself was part of the actual

(17:02):
birth of the country known as Canada today. But I
think the most important thing when exploring the residential school
system in Canada, and especially one that is probably used
for other countries, UM, is to look at it as
as something that was done, um with such intent and purpose.
Especially it came from the government itself, right, Like we're
talking about the federal government of Canada effectively enacting a

(17:27):
policy that had so many Um, I mean, if you
want to add moralogy of this just evil elements to it,
that that that would not only try to erase indigenous heritage, culture, language,
all that kind of stuff, but was also effectively, uh,
just tearing families apart from from you know, their their roots. Yeah.

(17:47):
I mean there's this this thing you keep seeing in
the coverage of it where it's like, you know, this
is a dark moment for Canada. Um as if it's
not a thing that runs throughout the entire history the country,
Like it's not a it's not a dark moment. It's
woven into the fabric of the nation US two here
and there has been no real reckoning with the fact

(18:10):
that this is and has been and continues to be,
especially in these situations genocide, cultural genocide, however you want
to phrase it. I think it's interesting this is from
the New York Times that I saw, Like if you
mentioned this is a couple of times it's been mentioned.
This isn't news. This is a known thing that these

(18:31):
children have been missing. Um, And I thought this was
interesting from New York Times. Mr Judeau said the government
will heap calls from indigenous leaders for money and other
help to use radar and various technologies to search for
the remains of students at other schools. In twenty nineteen,
he budgeted twenty seven million Canadian dollars to look for graves,
but the money was not distributed. So I mean that

(18:54):
was just like I was like, excuse me, wait a minute.
So you've known this to be a problem for long
enough that you had this conversation, not you, the leaders
as they would be as they whoever the time, and
you've even budgeted money for this, but it never got distributed.

(19:15):
So what's your priority here? Where's where's the fire to
deal with this? You know, answer for them land? You
know this this dark moment aside from again like it
was an explicit program, uh, woven into the nation for
decades and decades and decades and decades. The Indian Act

(19:35):
is still a part of Canadian like legislator, just like
there's no h for it to be like a dark moment.
You would show shame and like repentance and like and
uh and repeal these things and uh maybe don't forget
that you said you'd like spend a few million dollars
in um also come on, but exactly, but still use

(20:02):
the money. Yeah. I have a lot of things to
say about Justin Trudeau. I mean, first off, we have
to acknowledge that he is the first black Prime Minister
of Canada. Yeah, that he's working in the comedy it's good.
There was that fun year where we just every month
another politician somewhere in North America would would have photos

(20:23):
of them doing black face came out. That was like
similar times. Yeah, it just kept happening, like it just
kept happening. It was yeah, yeah in America especially, Yeah, yeah, no,
that was wild. Well. The thing with Justin Trudeau and
this whole issue is that I'm sure a lot of
you know, as Americans, how like performatively wokey is right

(20:45):
like that, that's always many of the photos and yeah,
and the early Trump years, a lot of Americans were like,
if only we had a president like that who would
say nice things and then right, I mean we were
everyone was desperate for just like we just nice boy
man to say he's got you know what he has?

(21:06):
He has real strong Jacob Fray energy, the Minneapolis mayor. Yes, yeah,
I mean yeah, yeah. Um. The thing about Trudeau when
he came to all this though, is that he right
now is doing obviously like he's he's kneeling, he's crying

(21:27):
on camera, he's just going to the graves other kind
of stuff. It should be mentioned that he has spent
over a hundred million dollars fighting survivors of residential schools
in court. A hundred million dollars more than his predecessor
us was it Stephen Harper, the one who's well known
as being a Canadian piece of ship conservative Uh again,

(21:48):
the performatively bike Prime Minister of Canada has been an
absolute ship big when it comes to the stuff behind
the scenes. Of course, you're right, really didn't money? Oh yeah, yeah,
I think it's what like million Americans? Okay, yeah, thats um. So,

(22:09):
so that in of itself like should tell you something
about how the government actually treats this. There is what's
called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, and I
do have to put forward that, you know, the government
as of recently has been doing a little bit more
in terms of trying to investigate this kind of stuff
and trying to bring some light to it. But at
the same time, it is uh, in of itself, like
it is very performative if you are doing that well

(22:30):
at the same time actively battling residential school survivors in
court to make sure they don't have their day. Yeah,
that's like, on its face, it's like, so you don't
believe any literally, any of the things you're saying. Um, yeah, absolutely,
that's like the traditional liberal line is you talk about
how horrible the Conservatives are and then you do the

(22:52):
same thing but more so, but you're you're quiet about it, exactly.
You kneel in public and you spend a hundred million
dollars in court. Uh. And the illusion of civility, Yeah,
the illusion of civility actually completely uncivil what they do,
but they say it nicely. Yeah, like that that part
has been ridiculous. There there is some like there is

(23:14):
some good news. I'll obviously try to steer maybe the
end of this to some some opium instead of just
staying quite so dark. But uh, you know, when it
comes to Trudeau's treatment of this, I mean he has
tried to call out the Catholic Church and their complistency
in this entire ordeal, and um that that is bringing
right now a pretty funny scenario in which I don't

(23:35):
know if you saw recently the pope yesterday I had
to give a proclamation of uh, you know, we we
are sorry. Uh well actually sorry, Yeah, I should be
completely clear here. He didn't. He didn't even apologize. He said,
we feel, we feel sorrow for the Canadian people. And
I was like, sir, that is so rich, so rich,

(23:55):
because the Canadian people were the ones running the schools, right, like,
at the very least, please say like, it's not even
like to run those schools. You don't know what he
was apologizing for. He feels sorrow that you guys got caught, right, Yeah,
it felt like one of those bad breakups for the persons,

(24:16):
like I'm sorry that you feel bad. Get out of
here with that bull. I hear your pain, and you
don't like mass graves for your children. This is important
for me to note, doubt. I'm gonna write this and
I'm gonna bury it in the Vatican basement so we
don't forget or posterity. Yes, not like not that I

(24:37):
should be surprised. I mean, he is basically running cover
for the largest pedophile ringing history, So yeah, obviously I wasn't.
You know, can I expect much? But that that's certainly
made for a pretty hilarious moment. And now there's this
whole Spider Man meme of all of them calling each
other out where the Catholic Church is like, well, this
is unfair for Canadians to posture and point the finger
at us when it was the federal government who's doing it.

(24:58):
And to be honest, it's both right, They're both right right, yeah, exactly,
he both have blood in your hands. Um. But like
also like the audacity of like the Canadian government being
like the pope must apologize? Did he make you do this? What? Well?

(25:20):
Together everything, So don't don't don't lance You mentioned wanting
to talk about the land back movement, uh, and I'd
love to hear a bit about what's going on there. Okay,
so for a lot it doesn't have to be a
bit sorry, Yeah, no, absolutely. I think this is something

(25:42):
that unfortunately, like you know, as I'm sure all of
you are probably termally online like myself, Um, you probably
see all all the leftist discourse that's constantly uh you know,
mutating and evolving. And I found one thing that a
lot of people on the left seemed to kind of
stumble over is the idea of land because if it's
somehow like, have we not moved past that idea that

(26:03):
we are supposed to have nation states? And and why
do they want to have their own independent nation state?
Can we all just not work together kind of constants
like this? Uh? And I try to put this in
context that the history of indigenous people and especially them
in relationship both the Canadian and the American governments, is
a lot of treaties that were signed on the behalf
of what we now call like colonizers. Right, Um, the

(26:25):
people who originally colonized indigenous land would sign treaties with
indigenous peoples that would say, uh, you have autonomy over
this own selective piece of land or plot of land.
You are allowed to rule this as an independent nation.
And at the same time, we will have a partnership
in which we are allowed to live in this area,
and we will have an exchange of goods and services,
and we will help each other out that what is

(26:46):
in what is typically in writing, and these treaties still
exist today, however they're never honored on the other side.
And as we go along through history will find that
there's more and more cases and whether it's residential schools,
whether it's just outright genocidal actions, whether it's forcing people
to live on reserves and reservations in like the concept
of reservations and reserves in both the United States and

(27:06):
Canada is you're taking a whole bunch of indigenous cultures
who had separate languages, separate culture, separate separate religions, and
you're forcing them to exist in a small plot of
land together and expect them not to have any kind
of problems with that, not not to fight each other,
not not to have any kind of like interactions and factions.
On top of all this, if you're introducing things like

(27:28):
residential schools where you're literally taking their kids away from them,
where they are raped and murdered, isn't any surprise to
anyone that there's incredibly high rates of drug addiction, incredibly
high rates of suicidal aviation, incredibly high rates of alcoholism, right,
exactly what you expect from this. So on top of that,
we fast forward to today where now these indigenous cultures
are saying, you promised us this like autonomy, You promised

(27:51):
us to have the right to self govern We want that,
and so we are going to battle you in court.
And so in the case of Canada, there's been a
bunch of super court battles in which they have effectively
one because it's in writing right, like you have originally
signed a treaty with us saying that we have the
the autonomous control of our own land and they're getting
their land back. That's what the land back movement is

(28:12):
asking for. It's not saying every single white Canadian get
the funk off and go back to Europe. That's that's
not it at all. It's it's basically at its surface,
stop genesas please like that's that's effectively what the land
back movement is asking for. Uh, and and allow us
to have autonomy over our own our own nation states again, Yeah, um,

(28:34):
as you were talking, I wanted here in the States,
um are indigenous communities have been hit incredibly hard by
covid um. Uh. There has been truly devastating loss of
elders and leaders in those communities, and I'm curious what
that situation has been like in UM Canada. Uh. Very

(29:00):
probably very similar. I was going to assume Candida did
a better job than we didn't. So okay, so so
good news at the end of this. Yes, it's a
it's a dot dot dot all right, so it'll be
a dot dot dot but um. But but unfortunately in Canada,
just like in the United States, like what did COVID
really show to all of us? Right? It really exemplified

(29:20):
and I think it was good because the radicalize a
lot of our friends. You might have liberal friends, you know,
I've been pushed for the left. How we stratify society,
How how we actually classify society. So anyone who is
a frontline worker, you most likely were disproportionately going to
be someone of color. Right, You're gonna be someone who's
uh Latin A, You're gonna be someone who is black,
someone who's indigenous h And as a result of that,
you probably were exposed to COVID more than you would

(29:43):
have had otherwise. So those disproportionate high rates of deaths
are experience in those categories for those reasons. So it
really shows you under capitalism, how we actually literally stratify
ourselves based on race, something that isn't real, right, We
that's how we classify human beings. So that's nice. The
good news is in Canada, um, when we started our
COVID vaccination programs as well as uh, you know, our treatment. Uh.

(30:05):
There was prioritization immediately for indigenous cultures, especially because in
somewhere like British Columbia where where I live up north,
there's a community of indigenous people called the Heideguay and
they have gorgeous, gorgeous land with beaches and all this
kind of stuff. Uh, and they were very heavily hit
by COVID because they specifically said, we do not have
the infrastructure, we don't have hospitals, we don't have, you know,

(30:28):
anything that is going to be able to prevent us
from really getting hit by this. Please don't visit us,
don't like, you know, don't have vacationing trips to the
beaches here, don't do all that kind of stuff, because
we will get devastated by this. And no one listened.
And of course, you know, a whole bunch of you know,
privileged people went over there to vacation and they got
in high rates of COVID and of course they started

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experiencing high rates of death and all that kind of stuff.
But the actual um, let's just say, vaccination programs specifically
addressed indigenous peoples and said that they should get priority
based on that, so that that is a bit of
good news is that there has been a very good
rollout for that in this country. Well that's something at least,
I'm glad to hear it. But what you just described

(31:11):
is yet another example of the importance of the land
back movement of people without their best interest at heart,
uh taking advantage of them, and uh the government continuing
to ignore the needs, you know, the infrastructural needs that
they have, and then when it's over, go in and
be like, oh, well we'll help now a little bit.

(31:32):
Well that's great. I that's wonderful. Prioritize the people that
should be prioritized for vaccination purposes. Sure, but yeah, for sure, Yeah, no, no, absolutely,
I completely agree with you. I'm sure there's cases like
the cases similar to that all across North America. I
don't know how the rollout was in in the US,

(31:53):
like y'all seem to have such rapid vaccination programs that
I'm assuming and did you just people at least got
got some kind of outreach. From what I'm understand, it's
at least gotten somewhat better. In the Southwest. Um, like
the Navajo reservation I know initially had some pretty serious problems. Um,

(32:14):
but they organized like a significant effort to UM to
deal with it, and I think they're like, I'm gonna
double check on that. But what I do know is
within the past month, I had a friend traveling UH
through you know, the Southwest, and UH was in Navajo

(32:35):
country and spoke with somebody and you know, even though
people had most of even the mask the mask mandates,
everything was still shut down. And he got into a
conversation with someone and they said, well, it's because the
elders have been hit really hard, and this is the
community is, you know, out of respect and out of
amundance of caution that they are going, you're taking things

(32:56):
very very slow. They they they outpaced the rest to
the nation and they have six of the Navajo nation
is fully of accidented UM and again earlier on and
like they got hit pretty hard earlier on, there was
a pretty significant effort to no deal with that. That's
really good to hear them at least something. Yeah. Again,
it's like after the fact, like okay, well we'll we'll

(33:18):
fix what we can and we'll help what we can
now instead of doing the work up top, Yeah, a
lot of stuff could have been done up top for example,
I don't know literally anything when it started a bit
of a hot take, but all right, yeah, there's like
there's this frustrating ship going around now to where it's like, Um,

(33:39):
the Faucci was interviewed recently and asked like, what would
you do? You know it's it's not like because one
of his emails, like early on he was saying like, well,
we don't know if it doesn't look like masks help.
And this is before they knew about asymptomatic carriers and stuff,
is like February, and the journalist asked him, like, knowing
what you know now, would you have done anything differently?
And he was like, well, of course, like yes, we

(34:03):
knew nothing about a new disease, and yes, if I
had all of the information about how that these worked
right when it started, of course we would have done
things differently. What a dumb question among us if you
could look back at everything you've done? Yeah, it's like
somebody's like, if you could go back, would you still

(34:24):
ram that miata? Like like would you have worn a seatbelt?
Do you think it went perfectly? Yeah? Um? A side
side question to just bring it up, is there anything
in his every email like I get you see from him,
It's like, yeah, he said that on TV at the time. No,

(34:45):
there's nothing in there, there's nothing like damning. It's like, yeah,
it was like fucked up in a difficult like obviously
there's things to criticize about his role in in his
response job. It's just like everyone everyone's like, oh, can
you believe this? Maile? I read it like, yeah he
said that on TV. Yeah, probably he said that to
millions of people. Yeah, this is I mean, if we're

(35:09):
still in this rabbit hole. Just a quick question, because
I have you all here, what is the deal with
Americans suddenly going down? The wuhan lab theory has been
plaus Why why is and why is that happening? Not
only amongst like liberals in America but also like left
wing media. I'm seeing that pop up on like Rising
and other like we're totally fucked man. I don't have

(35:33):
a better answer than it's chaos here. I'm sorry, because
I feel like this chaos is a contagion that's spreading everywhere.
But yeah, it's just um, you know, like it's it's
become terrifying because like fifty percent of Americans now believe

(35:53):
that it's like was engineered specifically, whereas the like the
actual potentially credible thing involved the lab is like, well,
they were going into these bat caves and getting samples
of coronaviruses and there were imperfect security procedures, and it's
not impossible that that's how it started, which is very
different from how it's being spun by like it was
a bioweapon. Well that's the thing. We're so down deep

(36:16):
in the ship now that like like right, like there's okay,
So we as human beings do science all the time,
and sometimes we do it poorly and then accidents happen. Um,
it's it is being framed not just as like it
was a bioweapon, but it was a bioweapon funded by

(36:37):
Fauci himself and they and they and they made so
that it could get out and then it'll be like
a global pandemic and then they're gonna convince everybody to
wear masks and obey because because because in a world
where like there's no fucking privacy and facial recognition software,
all the governments want people to wear masks. That makes
complete we're all The one thing you can say about

(36:59):
the coronavirus is it was good for all of the governments. Yeah,
they love they love it. They loved it, and like
and then like and then they're gonna and then so
then and then the big the big thing. Then after
they've created this global bioweapon together, then they're going to
do a vaccine and they're gonna make sure that people
get that vaccine cause there's something in there that you

(37:21):
don't want any people every day, all the time, I
have a little bit chip in the flu vaccine. Sorry.
In the last month, I've met a lot of people,
really wonderful people who truly have concerns about the origin
of this and uh, you know, and there's been deep fakes.
There's been lots of stuff circulating of Bill Gates saying

(37:44):
X y Z about how he's going to make money
off of you know, the all the deaths in India
and ship like that. And it's really really, really really
hard to convince somebody to change their mind at this point.
And it's chaos. It's just really hard. So like, yes,
all that stuff about frustrating stuff is true, but at

(38:06):
the end of the day, it's also really tragic. It's
really a huge divide that I don't I don't know
how Fi and I to push back truth right, like
you know, and I push if I try to talk
about it in conversations and like just trying to use reason.
I mean, there is true their Wuhan lab had security

(38:26):
issues like health and safety issues that Donald Trump had
been alerted to like eight months before. I can't remember
the time frame, but it's like very clear relation with
that and Foucci, though I don't understand how that connects Fauci.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure he gets wiped up
with Bill Gates and an idea that he has an
investment funding came from the n i H. And that's

(38:50):
being framed. I've seen people literally say like Fauci funded
Wuhan's research, like like h D ni AH gave some funding,
And that doesn't mean that a bioweapon to start this hoax.
And what always comes down to is it's like, do
you think people would create a bioweapon against themselves, you know,
like threatens their families and and I guess it comes

(39:13):
down to the idea of population control. I don't know,
it's not doing that. It's fairly killed anyone when you
compare it to like the global population. It has not
done a population control. Um, it's just I don't I
don't see how that would be to the benefit of
China because like everyone depends on them for global all

(39:33):
of these rich people who are supposedly responsible don't get
to do their vacations anymore. Like they like flying places.
They are going to be whatever, Like, can't they make money?
Although tons of money last year they made a ton
of money. You know, it's hard to argue again if
you're going to be like, well, they did it for
the money. Why isn't the theory that fucking Jeff Bezos

(39:54):
organized it. He's the guy who made like. It wasn't
fucking who made the most money off of this ship.
It was the It was like, because Jeff Bezos delivers
your fucking face masks. I don't mean the good kind
of like the protect you kind. I just mean whatever
things that you want delivered overnight, your foot scrubs in

(40:16):
your that I turn on when I meet my audio
because Sophie gets mad if I haven't going directly into
the mike and she realizes it. People like Jeff Bezos, well,
we also need you know, there's a lot of there's
a lot of resentment. Um, and angered towards Fauci specifically,
he's been the face of this for all years. So like, okay,

(40:39):
well there's an email says like this this other organization
fund like with partially funny, then they're gonna they're gonna
make that connection. Uh. A lot of people want to
go to war with China. Um, I I was gonna
ask rattling. I think it's I think it's I mean,

(41:00):
range who you're talking and moral saber rattling. I don't
think any of them want to go to because war
with China life on Earth, you know, Yeah, of course absolutely.
I don't think anyone wants to go to wards. But
the posturing of it. But the posturing and the blaming
that is the only thing they know how to do,
and like you can't like you can't make it do

(41:21):
that with Mexico anymore, just doesn't work. People like and
it was like whatever, Uh they're not like it just
isn't It doesn't work as well for the fascist anymore.
So now we're freaking out about China, and in another
ten years, if there's still people, they'll have found another
thing to screech about, like can't wait, like drunken hogs.

(41:41):
Um uh, this has been a fun tangent. I wanna
before we run out of times. You don't be sorry.
This was great, great spirit. I appreciate you apologize. I
just like people apologize to me. Let me feel like
I know. I just love the way you say sorry.

(42:02):
I do you know? It was it was fun. One
of the first places I went outside the US, which
was a bunch of Canadians. We all went down to Guatemala,
and it was nice because Guada, a bunch of Canadian
mining companies, had just committed some horrible crimes against humanity
in Guatemala, and so everyone was angry or at the
Canadians than they were at the Americans, which is not

(42:22):
a thing you encounter often as a traveling It's like, yeah,
all right, America, America, that never fucked with Guatemala together

(42:46):
everything you mentioned. Wanting to talk about some positive yes, yes,
well I try to do that, especially to talk about
things that are quite so important and dark. Um It's
it's okay. So it's quite similar to what has happened

(43:06):
with UM Israel and Palestine in that I have been
dealing with this kind of stuff most of my life,
and I've been dealing with the political stuff pretty pretty
professionally for the last little while, and this year was
probably the biggest shift I've ever seen in terms of
public discourse going towards Israeli war crimes, for example, And

(43:28):
I'm feeling a very similar thing in the undercurrent towards
Canada's treatment of indigenous people's and perhaps the idea of
people simply wanting autonomy over their own land, who, by
the way, benefits all of us. Like, I don't know
if everyone's read National Geographics, um explorer of all this,
but apparently indigenous people's make up about five percent of
the population globally and responsible for eight of the protection

(43:52):
of bio diversity on the entire planet. But I do
believe that, yes, yeah, And one of the things that's
happening right now is kind of every living being on Earth,
uh is in the hands of a group of a
bunch of indigenous militias in Brazil, Chile and Colombia who
are trying to stop the rainforest from being completely destroyed.

(44:16):
Because if just in the Brazilian Amazon, Bolton Yaro succeeds
in the amount of deforestation he has promised, it will
release more carbon annually than the United States and China
put together. How can they just I just don't understand.
You see how bad this is? They know what? Sorry,
but but money Katie, money protect, I can fly money.

(44:42):
But it's not it's not you dear kids or your
kids kids want to place to live. That's it's it's
short term gains. Right, So, yes, they can clear out
the rainforest, but they'll be fine. It's it's your children's
children will not have a life on this planet pretty much. Yeah,
but I mean there's a pretty good chance they'll be dicks. Sure.

(45:03):
Do they really deserve it at that point? Yeah, They're
all gonna be failed suns anywhere at this point. Anyway,
we've taken it away from your positive spin, which really
is positive and I appreciate um. Yeah, And that is
not only being seen obviously in the public discourse the
overtone window being shifted, which is a beautiful thing to
witness in real time, but also within the legal legislations

(45:24):
that's happening across this country. There has been a number
of incredible court cases that have been one in Canada.
The most recent one and this is the biggest little
uh you know, straight up those a phopium I can
give you is the Squamish Nation of British Columbia one
a massive land back settlement. They won the most expensive
bougie and I mean bougie in the peer since property
of Vancouver. Property in Vancouver is the most expensive in

(45:46):
North America right now? Is have seeing how expensive at
all is this lob like little plot of land is
waterfront Like we're talking two to three million dollar houses
on every single like little square that is there has
been won by the Squamist Nation. And what they've decided
to do with it is they're going to build low
income housing for everybody, not just for Indigenous people. Everyone
can live there. On top of which they're doing it

(46:06):
with complete green architecture and they're going to incorporate more
living greenery in it that has ever been built on
any apartment or complex in king history. That's pretty yeah, yeah,
isn't it? And when you see the photos of this,
like their their plans. Have you ever seen those memes
where it's like this is the future that communists want,
if not only for this one? Do you know that future?

(46:28):
It literally looks like that, like it like it is
the pictures of apartments with all these like trees and
animals all over them. It is. It is an absolute
beautiful thing to see. So if anyone listening to this
wants to google that, it'll it'll give you a little
a little jolt of happiness. I think what is the
Squamish Nation in British Columbia. You can look up, you
can google their their development plans in Vancouver and you'll

(46:49):
see news articles with the photos of it pop up.
And again they look straight out of those memes that's
like this is the future that you know socialists want
or something like that. Yeah, or like this is the
world old if there were no lawyers. Oh it's beautiful,
isn't it? Yeah? It m hm. And also it's it's

(47:12):
it's really cute that it's like it's not just for
indigenous people. They're not like, Okay, we got the land
back and now it's our land. Now get the funk
off colonizers or anything. But it's just straight up we
want to make the low income housing for for everybody,
which which goes yeah, there's mhmm about what's good. Yeah,
Cody o Cod thank you so much for joining us today. Um,

(47:39):
can you tell our listeners where they can find you?
Plug your stuff? Etcetera. Uh, yeah, thank you so much.
So I'm lands of the search TV. You can find
us everywhere. Social media is sold at the surfs TV,
so twitter dot com, slash the surf TV, Instagram, you know,
Twitch dot tv such TV only fans slash the search TV. Um,

(48:04):
you got all of the sites, all of them. We
have them one lockdown um and yeah, no, it was.
It was an absolute pleasure to be with all of you.
Like I said, I've been a big fan for a
long time, long long time listener for you Stun Color, well,
we'd love to have you back anytime. We have a
question we like to ask all of our guests before
they leave, which is, if you had to fight a

(48:24):
hippopotamus to the death, what is the oldest hippopotamus you
think you could successfully take out bare handed? What what's
the age of hippo reaches before? That's my question. I mean,
they can live, they can live a decent amount. I mean,
but they're gonna be huge at that for I would yeah,

(48:44):
they have how before they are full grown? I mean
i'd say newborn, you're newborn for the babies, well, yeah,
I mean if you're if you want to kill a hippo,
your best bets a baby. See. For me, I was
the can maybe a lethargic one that had like Alzheimer's
or something and didn't understand what's happening right on the

(49:05):
top tier year old something like that you're trying to
hit and then keeps saying, who are you choke out?
Remember I'm your grandson. Is not fun joking. I don't
like joking. It's not a joke, Katie. You need to
think about these things. Well, did you remember that viral
question that popped up all over the internet that was

(49:25):
like which animals could you successfully beat up? And everyone
was like, oh, I could take out an eagle, I
could I could beat up a bear. When when I
saw that, I was like all of you were clowns.
But then I saw that viral clip of the woman
did you see the one who like was seeing her cats?
And I was like, whoa just like part of her
not even both her arms, She just like there, yeah,

(49:50):
this up and saved all her pets. Well, they need
to that question to be like, what animal do you
take if you had the power of mother Great? And
ten years ago from a guy in British Columbia who
was hiking with his dog, and I think it was
a grizzly attacked him and his dog and he beat

(50:10):
it to death with a tree branch. Now, it also
tore most of a scalp off like it was a
pretty but he did he did successfully take a bear
on in a fight. Um, so it's not impossible. Stick.
Good to know my dad. What my dad has advised me.
You just make yourself as big as possible, which I'm like, really,

(50:30):
you see a bear or another und, you're supposed to
make a lot of noise, right, I've taken When I'm
hiking by myself in wooded areas, I grabbed some big
sticks with me and a big stick click them. I'm
I'm I'm a warrior. It just makes me enjoy my
time a little better to have some stead. You could
get one of those vest but for a human, not

(50:54):
spiky jacket, just full body armor workouts anyway. Oh yeah, sorry,
I was gonna quickly say before you leave, I would
say to any listeners, if you want to buy one
of those orange shirts, which they represent the missing and
murdered Indigenous children, uh, please buy them from Indigenous retailers

(51:15):
and sellers. There's a big problem online right now, if
people selling them who happened to just be like, you know,
white middle income Canadians because they just have to sell
an orange shirt, please specifically buy them from indigenous, don't
Paul dot com or something. Yeah, we'll trying to find one.
Oh god, we'll try to find one. Good unless you
happen to have when you can send us that, we can,

(51:36):
I can send you something. We will share that on
our social media as well. Very cool. Although we are
sponsored by Jake Paul dot yeah, yeah, yeah, we're like,
we're not, you know, so that's another reason why we
shouldn't hawk that, like we hoked the website, not specific
I know, I was, I was, I was really would

(52:00):
void Mayweather the boom boom Mancini treatment. All right, that's it.
That's it. Thank you everybody, Oh no, thank thank you
all so Much's a pleasure. Thank you listening to the
people who are listening. Goodbye, so everything. So I tried.

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