March 5, 2025 • 33 mins
The whole world is talking about it—John Cena is officially a heel! On this week’s WrestleChat Podcast, The AntMan and Michael dive deep into Cena’s shocking turn at Elimination Chamber, the ripple effects it’s having across WWE, and how The Rock played a key role in this historic moment.
We break down the fallout, including Cena’s cryptic “I’m sorry” moment, The Rock’s eerie foreshadowing, and what this means for Cody Rhodes heading into WrestleMania 40. Plus, we talk about Travis Scott’s unexpected involvement (and that brutal slap), CM Punk’s fiery promo, and the surprise title change that shook the women’s division.
And could Stone Cold Steve Austin make a return to help Cody? We speculate on where this storyline is heading and why this might be the best time to be a wrestling fan in decades.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wow, well, let's count the hours. I don't want to
count the hours. Saturday night to Sunday night, to Monday
night to Tuesday night. Here we are on Wednesday on
the wrestle Chat podcast, and it has consumed not only
wrestling fans and probably every podcast that has anything to
do with wrestling coming out, but it's even consume things
that are that are not wrestling and related. I mean,
(00:24):
it's the core fabric of America that John Cena is
a face, except now he's not. In fact, I was
talking to a Buddy Line just today and I said, hey,
just want to give your heads up. We now live
in a world where John Cena is a heel. The
first question he said, what's a heel? I said, that's
a bad guy. He was, That's that's what you call
him in wrestling. He's like, yeah, heel and face He's like, okay,
(00:46):
Face is a good guy, Like yeah, he goes who decides.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That like don smart questions.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're trying to find out, and by god, we're gonna
we're gonna take care of them real, real quick because
John Cena is now. And I don't know there's many
people happy about that. I mean, yeah, storyline. Not happy
about it. Actually, inside I'm I think it's really freaking cool.
But yeah, he is kind of like, we just showed
our texts from Saturday during elimination chamber. People would see
(01:15):
how our heart felt. You know, I went back and
rewatched what happened again because I know that as I'm
texting you and you know, punching my wife's shoulder. Oh
my god, are you saying this? You know, I know
I missed things and I so I was like, I'm
glad I did, and I'm glad it's there to go watch.
But what do you think about the difference between Saturday
(01:36):
to here We are on Wednesday and live in a
different world. Now, It's like we went into a different dimension.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's it's crazy. I mean, I have so many thoughts.
First of all, the whole world is talking about it, everybody,
which is crazy, even to the point that I'm kind
of in I'm a little bit of an trovert. I
don't normally like just say I don't like talking to
(02:03):
people in public. I don't like talking to people I
don't know. But I was out at a restaurant the
other night and I was sitting at the bar eating
some food and the the person tending the bar and
some and a guy sitting on the end was like, yeah,
I mean it's gonna be so cool. He's going on
(02:24):
this run. And when I heard run, my ears automatically
perked up because that's normally a wrestling term. And so
I'm listening and I'm waiting. I'm waiting for confirmation because
like I I feel it, there's like this aura thing
and uh and finally goes, yeah, it's it's crazy that
(02:44):
John Seene is a bad guy now, and I was like,
bro we uh we We chatted it up for a minute,
actually shared uh uh the the our QR code with him.
That's the show, so, you know, street marketing while I'm
at it, But the whole world's talking about it, even
(03:05):
to the extent that I think there was. I saw
some type of add or whatever that John Cena was
trending in like ninety six countries or something random like that,
like just like unprecedented and speaking about it again, if
I read it correctly, the YouTube video from WWE of
(03:28):
that segment has broken every previously standing record that ww
WWE has on YouTube. So now let me get to
the whole thing. Am I jumping ahead. If we're talking
about the whole thing, the segment at.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Large, Yeah, well we do have. I mean, yeah, there's
so much to talk about. First, I want to say,
you said it was trending in ninety six countries or whatever.
That's every country that John Cena has done to make
a wish in. So that's that's why he's trending in
those companies. Ah No, I don't know if he did.
I'm just confessed would makes sense. Let's do this. Let's
start here. Let's start with his win first, he won
(04:05):
the elimination Chamber. Did anything about that win at the
elimination Chamber feel off for you? Because typically, I mean,
John Cena doesn't take advantage of a situation as a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right, Well, I noticed it because he did capitalize on it.
But it was interesting because and kudos to John for
just being just amazing at what he does. Because if
you notice, I saw this on on social media. If
you notice when he goes to apply the submission to
(04:39):
see him punk, right after he capitalized on that moment,
he actually screams.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm sorry he did, didn't he That's right?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And so you see this like, Okay, he took advantage
of it, but he's saying sorry. It's like, well, it
is the elimination chamber. How am I supposed to feel
as the fan? Is it fair? You know, all's fair
in love and war type thing. But it's John Cena
and he's supposed to be squeaky clean. So I caught it.
But it seemed to fit. Maybe it would be a
(05:09):
something down the line story wise, maybe it would be
to set something up for punkin John later in the year.
But I didn't think a whole lot about.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It, and I don't feel that it was really anything.
And I'm glad you brought that up to that, he said,
I'm sorry. That also follows him saying I missed you
and I missed you too. With he and Punk it
felt like that really, John kept to the baby face character,
the normal John Cena we've always come to know and
(05:37):
love or hate throughout the last you know, seventeen eighteen
years of being a good guy in WW. I feel
that he's stuck to it. I think it's the rock
who left us more clues than anyone else, and he's
the one. He's the floater, he's the back and forth.
He's talking about it like it like it's a movie
in the press cond like he went to you know,
he was filming a movie when he talks about it
(05:59):
in the press conference. You know, everybody on set love
what we were doing. Oh it's great that you know
from last week that that bothers me, and it sounds
like it has bothered a lot of people too. Now,
I know there are a ton of places that are
talking about the turn of John Cena, what the rock is,
and what those two are doing together, and we're going
to try to give you at least some of it
in our own takes of it as well, because yes,
(06:20):
like you said, it's being talked about absolutely everywhere. So
congratulations to at that point, John Cena winning the elimination
chamber Man. This is going to be a fun babyface
babyface match at wrestle Mania, because you're gonna have the
one that you know, if you're if you're not a
big Rick Flayer fan, or even if you are, but
you want to see John Cena break the record. You're
cheering on John CeNAT WrestleMania, even though he's going up
(06:41):
against Cody Rhods and then Cody Rhads is Cody Rhods.
I mean you know, a lot of people have talked
about what it would be like when he turns heel,
if he does, and when that happens. But everything WWE
is doing right now is they are doubling down, tripling down,
quadrupling down on this guy being the babyface for the
foreseeable unforseeeable future from the parts like maybe even when
(07:03):
our kids have kids and are you know they're off
to college or something. Now, I feel they are making
this guy the biggest, the biggest babyface in the entire world,
the whole world stacked against against Cody Rhodes was the
rock hinting though all along. They had a couple of
videos and if you follow us on TikTok or on Instagram,
(07:26):
I've talked about this a little bit because I feel
that there are a lot of people just kind of going, well,
I saw a picture of them holding ump aer two.
He did everything he did before he counted one two
and then slash his throat. Well, that's not what he did.
Let's go back to actually bad blood. It was a
bad blood video. This is what we got from him.
(07:47):
You seem count one two and they give the John
Cena looking three. Of course that was it right there?
And then you'll see him slash his throat with two fingers. So,
I mean, is that just how how the rock you
know does the throat slash? I mean, you know it. Look,
(08:08):
I think a lot this is associated with whom undertaker, Undertakers,
thank you so rather than doing this, if you're not
watching us on YouTube, taking my thumb, breaking it across
my throat, that's Undertakers. You know you're going on the
last ride, right, So maybe maybe with the rock it's
two fingers. I'm gonna, you know, cut your jugular. Let's
(08:28):
go to what happened at elimination Chamber. Check this out.
I'm gonna see John Cena be all happy and sappy
and give him a hug and then oh face turned
in more ways than one, the rock still slashes his
throat with two fingers. He doesn't count again, And that's
(08:50):
where I think a lot of people are. He wasn't
count like counting to two people. That's why I think
a lot of the the if we're going to read
into details, let's make sure the details are correct. That's
the only thing I care about it. If we're going to
talk about, oh, look at these places where he foreshadow.
Just make sure it's correct with what you're talking about.
He didn't count. You noticed on that when he did
not count, he just did the two finger throat slash again.
(09:13):
It just happened to end with two fingers in the air.
And that's the still photo that everybody's passing around saying, oh,
he counted too this time. Your thoughts on some of
that now that I've rambled on.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Like, I think none of it is connected, okay at all.
I think they I think in this new eraw they
know that they can bring rock into boost ratings, and
I think the former was really just a way to
(09:43):
get him on the show, get FaceTime, get a bump
in ratings, and then obviously this situation was intentional. To
be honest with you, I don't even think that John
Cena look in three it was really even connected. I
just think it was all just they have a plan.
We know they've been planning this for a long time.
(10:05):
But I don't think it was that interconnected. I think
I think as cool as it is that the Wyatt
six came back, it made everybody have a magnifying glass.
You know, Oh, the production truck is facing north. That
means that you know well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I'll tell you it may shock you. On this part.
I think the exact same way. I don't think that
any of that it was connected in any way whatsoever.
I do, like you, I think that there was a plan.
I do think that they did leave an easter egg
with the beat down outside and John Cena looking over.
So if if, and that's only if they had planned
(10:47):
that far. If they planned that far, I think they
did that that production truck on purpose. If you remember
the beat down outside of the rain where Rock beats
up Cody after and that's how raw ends or whatever,
and then they show online that he continued to beat
down later and was cussing and all this other stuff.
If you notice in one of the shots one of
the production truck has John Cena overlooking everything. If they
(11:11):
knew then they were gonna make John Cena and this
was the plant, make make him a heal, and this
was the plan, I think that could be an easter egg,
and I think that might be the only one. Yeah,
I think the most disturbing part wasn't though John Cena turning.
I think it was actually this right here, This is
(11:33):
Travis Scott Whack Whack I think that right there is
what actually gave Cody the black eye. And if you
are a Dave Meltzer fan, also busted his ear drum.
I haven't heard any report that he's busted his ear drum,
but I could see it happening right there. If you
(11:54):
watched that clip, what was your immediate thoughts seeing that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Watching it live in the moment, I kind of went
that was out of place, yeah, because not only did
it look like a potato, but it sounded like a potato. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, poor Cody. And I don't know. You can't
(12:20):
expect you know, I know there's maybe some rumors of
Travis Scott doing some wrestling things or whatever, but you
can't expect a musical artist to understand the concept of
the dance of wrestling, if you will. And so maybe
(12:43):
they just didn't think to have that conversation of like, hey,
don't punch anybody. You know, maybe it's just assumed. And
this was like the first time in eighty years of
WWE that somebody came here just like, oh, I'm gonna
hit somebody, and then like potatoes. I don't know, there is.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Not a better time than a guy laying at your
feet bloodied that if you're you know what, I'm never
gonna get this again. Let's just if he beats the
living crap out of me, at least I get this
shot in. Did he have that much foresight to think
something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't think so, because you'd have to think. They
were all standing in Gorilla talking about the segment. So
I'm sure they were all being friendly, But I can't
imagine Travis Scott being like, I'm a bunch of guys
in the face.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay. So I also do a podcast with Ross and
Marshall Vaughan Eric. It comes out tomorrow, comes out on Thursday.
I asked them about this segment. I hear, I'm talking
to two guys that are working. Why am I speculating?
I was asking these guys have they ever done anything
like this and what would they think about it? So
here's what they have to say. But before he does,
(13:56):
Travis Scott Cody has his head turned to the side.
Now he's been punched in the face with a with
a rolex. He's been hitting the head and starts bleeding
from getting hit with the title belt. But then Travis
Scott takes it upon himself to open palm from back here.
You can't see that. They see it there back here,
(14:18):
smack Cody in the face and you see, I mean
Cody wasn't expecting it and turns his head in and
afterwards you see he's he'll have a black guy the
next time he's on TV. I mean, he was really
like he hit him in the eyeball. Like I didn't
even see this part, but I guarantee they told him
(14:38):
to just hit him. He said, hit me as hard
as you can. If they had a conversation about this,
he believes that he would have said, just hit me
as hard as you can. Okay, that episode comes out
tomorrow the Clawpod. You should check it out. Well, we
actually talk about lesser known feuds. It's fun conversation. You
(14:58):
can check that out on It's one of the channels
that we love here on this if you're watching on YouTube. However,
after we recorded that, I got a text from Marshall. Okay,
I actually watched that Travis Scott slap. The first time
I saw it was kind of overlooked, But after watching
it again, that crap made me so mad. That was
(15:21):
so unnecessary And if he's not part of the anger
now angled now he should be, because that dude deserves
to get slapped. Change a heart from the Vaughan erics
after seeing probably they saw the second the shot that
I just showed you here on this podcast. He probably
saw that one after we recorded, because the first one
(15:43):
you saw and you noticed, and it was loud enough,
and I saw him hitting, but I thought it was bad,
but I didn't anything it was that bad where Cody
like grimaces and turns its heads like please stop hitting me.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, because I think I think on the WWE feed
it was a little bit more behind Cody, right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
A little more behind Travis where yeah, where Cody's head.
It was on the opposite side of Cody. Yes, hard
camera side. Yeah, but man, listen, if I know the
Rock talked about it in the press conference. He said
that he said that Travis wanted to get his hands
bloody is what he is. What he referenced, and he said,
(16:21):
if you're gonna do something, make it count. I don't
know if that's just an afterwards covering or if I'll
just say this, I hope he is a part of
this angle now because I would love like a good
three minute Cody and Travis Scott in the ring together.
I'm gonna show you a working punch first, and then
(16:42):
I'm gonna show you how to work a non working punch,
a stiff shoot punches, and it's it's gonna be a
lot like yours. I'd love to see that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
As a fan, I think that he deserves that too.
I'm right there and see Marshall works. He's in the
business and he's agreeing with us. Yeah, that's something like
that should happen. Thoughts on where you see this going
in the future. Of course, we've got WrestleMania that will
be with uh, that will be with John Cena and
(17:14):
Cody Rhodes. But where do all the other people fit in?
And is there anybody coming to help because you notice
nobody came to help Cody.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right. To be honest, I'm kind of bewildered, like, uh,
Papa Triple H must read uh you know the I
w c on on X because I think I think
we made him mad, not we as in I was
(17:43):
a part of it. But there's a large section of
the internet like those.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Are the most boring Rousselmania ever.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And so one of two things happened because none of
us were none of us were smarter than Triple H.
So either one he knew people were gonna complain about that,
so he and mentionally set all this up to fall
into place a month beforehand. Yes, or with the natural
(18:09):
evolution of things, he went watch this and did this
to the WrestleMania gitar just.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Shook it out. Yes, absolutely absolutely. I mean the only
person that came to help was Michael Cole. That's it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But where it goes and where all of these other
people fit in six weeks out form Mania? A dude,
I don't know, but I'm so thankful that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Peopleting I read.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Something, I'll say this and it's not my it's not
my idea. Whoever said it on X you can have
the credit. I I wonder if John Cena was saying
that twenty twenty five is the last you'll see of
clean John Cena, and I wonder if we're gonna if
(19:09):
he's gonna stick around. I think he'll win. I think predicting.
I think it makes more sense for Cody to chase
the being the champion.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think John breaking the thing needs to happen. So
I think it all works. But in terms of what
we see after that, I'm not sure because you're gonna
have Roman Reigns. You we were, you know, Roman Reigns
(19:43):
somewhere in the mix. And I'm just talking about the
main event title kind of picture in general. You know,
Punk's gonna want a shot at it. Drew's never been
done with it, you know, Seth. Seth hasn't chased that
title in a long time. Sure, like there's a lot
lot of people in play, but how the story works together, man,
(20:04):
I have no idea, absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
There's another name that comes up every time at WrestleMania.
It just so happens, though this time kind of like
Dallas was where he started and ended. Is that now?
WrestleMania this year is in Las Vegas, just about ninety
minutes where Stone Cold Steve Austin lives, who just had knee,
hip whatever, so he had He's a bionic man now,
(20:28):
so he could possibly. I think it was his knees.
He had both. I don't know if it's both, but
I know at least one knee got replaced, brand new knee.
Is Stone Cold ready to come help Cody Rhodes because
this is right up Stone Cold dally going up against
something like this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yep, sure is that'd be a cool tie in too,
be kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'd like to see that. I still think it's funny
that Michael Cole was the only one that helped. I
mean everybody else. I think Pat McAfee did help, although
Pat McAfee had to stop shake hands before he got
ring to help to help Gody Rhads get out. And
I mean if he did bust his ear drum, he
would definitely need help getting out of the ring. Your
(21:08):
equilibrium was so off by that. Let's talk about some
more stuff. I mean, there's still that's just one match
of two nights. So a few things happened on raw
excited to I was. I absolutely loved. I felt like
we went back in time a little bit with See
Them Punk. It was like a little tease of a
(21:30):
pipe bomb standing on top of the desk calling out
whoever you want me to talk about. And of course,
you know, Pat says the Rock, Okay, cool, you ball
headed fraud. Dwayne never says the Rock. I don't have
to paraphrasing. I don't have to make a fake championship
to carry over my shoulder to tell everybody that I'm
(21:52):
the people's champion. I mean, just truths, truth bomb, truth bomb,
truth bomb for all of them. You said few to
all these kids, John Cena And speaking of truth, I mean,
we haven't seen him on TV, but we've If you're
on X, you've read Truth's thoughts on John Cena turning heel.
You watched any of that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I've seen a few.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, Yes, he's very upset.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He's very upset.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I would like to see his take on all this
and where he pops up. I know he was in
the in the Rock provided dressing room last week for
Cody Rhodes and ate the sushi and the shrimp and
wanted to see if he gets some jelly roll there
for next time. Excited to see how Truth gets involved
in some of this because it could use some levity
(22:37):
I know for sure. Yeah, what do you see happen
with Punk for WrestleMania? Where does he end up in
this whole thing?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I I wish I had something to speculate, And I'm
gonna be honest with you man, like I'm still in
a good way hungover from Saturday night. I mean, I'm
so in awe of just the light switch that we
saw in John Cena and I haven't had time, honestly,
(23:05):
in the limited time that I have to process wrestling things,
I don't know. And it goes back to what I
said it a minute ago, like you have all these
guys in play, but they're obviously connecting Punk to the
Rock and calling him out. So how all that works,
I I don't know. But what I can tell you
(23:25):
is is it feels good to have see him Punk
on TV every week. His promos, his promos are incredible,
and putting him in this position is how we fell
in love with him in the first place. Is him
going against a a authoritative regime that's exactly where we
want him to be, So it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree. And I know that he and Seth
are going against each other next Monday because that's at
Madison Square Guard is Square Garden and doing that inside
of a steel cage. I wonder if a steel cage
is just not a precursor to a hell in a
cell at WrestleMania with he and Seth, I mean, if
you you know, that's how you really keep somebody in
or keeping people out. Although neither one of them have
(24:09):
a crew, you know, there's not somebody coming to save
the day. But you know, if it's those two, would
you be mad seeing them again at WrestleMania other year?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't think so. I think if it was, I
think if we if we build it the right way.
I can't remember did they have one or two matches before?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I think they've They did Raw on the very first
raw on Netflix, right, and see them punk on that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, So I'm assuming that I think that was it,
unless I'm forgetting about another match that would make uh,
that would make the rubber match at Mania, because if.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're right, for some reason, I feel like there was
one before and I'm just not remembering it either. But
you guys can time if we see.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It again at Mania, I don't think. I don't think
you can ever turn that down. I think they'll just
have to be careful to not let it go dale
between now and then, since it's already something that's been
cooked a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Yeah, we've got a brand new Women's World champion.
Eo Sky beat Rhea Ripley. I don't I'll be honest,
I didn't see that coming. I was like, why are
they why are they talking about Bianca bell Lair? Congratulations
to her winning elimination chamber. Why are they talking about
she's going to face one of these two. Of course
it's going to be Rhea Ripley at WrestleMania, clearly not
Rhea Ripley. Do you see this being though turned into
(25:27):
a three way?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think possibly. I don't. I don't quite understand the
booking of it. So hear me. I actually really like
Eo Sky, I always have. She's yeah, great wrestler. I
think her aura overall is really cool. Her entrance is
like amazingly simple to.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Me, and the music's amazing. Yeah that's my favorite music
intro Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, And so I have no problem with her.
I have no problem with Bianca, but I don't understand
and that booking out of nowhere. I agree, And I
think when women's wrestling is more criticized than men's wrestling,
when a lot of times it can be the same quality,
(26:16):
I think it's interesting to mix things up that way
and cause momentum to be lost in a story. So
I'm not sure where they're going with it, but I
feel at the moment that decision hurt only from a
story perspective, not because of from a performer perspective, but
I guess I just need to wait and see kind
(26:38):
of what shakes out.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, the other women's title, You've got Tiffany Stratton going
up against Charlotte. I think if there is a predictable
match and this is that Charlotte's taking home this title.
I feel that for whatever reason, and maybe the chase
of the title with having the briefcase for the money
in the bank for Tiffany and her actually getting it
(27:00):
was the excitement. But I feel like something's dropped off
with Tiffany. Now you know my feelings on Charlotte. I
think the consensus across a lot of WWE fans or
maybe quote unquote smart marks love Charlotte Flair. Thinks she
is absolutely the best do I think she and Becky
are great for each other one percent. I love the tension.
(27:21):
I love the bouts they've had in the past, and
I think they're better with each other. I think that
Charlotte by herself, just standing on her own is I
won't get into it again, She's not my favorite, but
the whole point is that I think you get that
back on Charlotte to then bring back Becky, to bring
back the feud that we actually do care about.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I like that. I like long term, it's just gonna
hurt in the meantime. And maybe that's the point.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, you know, I kind of thought that we talked
about last week or the week before, we talked about
that maybe Jay and Gunter have matched number one of
night number one or night number two, maybe that's the
first match of the other night. Is giving that first
placement to to Charlotte and Tiffy, you know, Tiffy time
starts off the show. That might be kind of cool,
(28:07):
and and it could I mean, it could be possible
just to have this be a squash match too. I
wouldn't be opposed to that.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I think I definitely don't want to hurt Tiffany's
booking or hurt her status. You know, there's been other
squash matches that we've seen, for instance, Goldberg, Bray, Wyatt,
brock Lesnar, Kofi Kingston. You know a lot of these
(28:34):
title squash matches over the last decade, the issu or
so have not really fared well. And so I don't
mind squash, you just gotta be careful with it.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And I think a Daniel, Brian and Seamus.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, but I think that one worked because Daniel Brian
was like mega heel at that point time, Mega superhel.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And he was distracted yeah, by seeing Folk's wife, so
because he had.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Been playing the dirty, slimey, greasy heel. Anyway, So I
like that one, which is why I didn't mention it.
But I feel like that's a small oasis in a
bigger pool of things that did work.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
But if I'm not mistaken, that was at the beginning
of a show too. It was yep, yeah, at at
the beginning of wrestle media that year. Anything else that
we that we missed. I know that it's been talked
to death about rock and h and John Cena, Seena's turn,
what happens next? I mean, I will say that March
seventeenth is what I keep reading as the next time
we'll see John Cena. And I don't think you see
(29:40):
John Cena right now without the.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Rock probably I would say they're probably intertwined. The only
thing that I guess what I hope to see last
thoughts without talking it to death, is I really hope
they lean into John on most being subservient to rock
(30:04):
and rock being this almost like Greek god that has
this like a warrior figure, you know, and almost see
like this not fully there, but this toward the direction
of like a hypnotized John Cena. That's because you know,
if you think back, and I promise I'm gonna wrap
(30:24):
it up, if you think back to Chris Jericho around
two late two thousands, he cut his hair, went to
a suit, had this very and he was world heavyweight champion,
and he had this very like polished, kind of dirty
(30:44):
champion gimmick. I don't think that's gonna work for this.
I think John Cena still has to be John Cena,
but I think he just has to be like the
Rock's my boss, and I'm gonna do whatever the boss says.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I think you're right too, and it's been talked about too,
but we haven't. We didn't dive into it too much.
But I do think you're right about it not being like, yes,
it's the end of the old John Cena in twenty
twenty five, that retirement two. I think now, I don't
think there are any rules to John Cena. I don't.
I don't think that twenty twenty five is it now
either after this, unless something happens crazy, he turns back
(31:19):
face before the end and wraps up a nice, pretty
Christmas package for us before he heads out of twenty
twenty five, I don't see that. I see him running
this as long as he cares to.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I think he's got an end date in mind.
And to be honest with you, with everything we've seen,
I think main we're at forty one or forty two, forty.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Two Mania, No, forty one, we're at forty.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
One, So I think forty two is where, Yeah, is
where he'll wrap it up. I think I think he'll
wrap it up in New Orleans. It doesn't make any
sense for somebody like seeing it to go out, not
at Mania. You're going to go out on it, just
Kember True, You're going to go out in a December
pay per view when WrestleMania Season or you know, Rumble
(32:05):
doesn't happen till January. It never made sense to me
from the start, but I was going to wait and see.
I think he told people the end of twenty twenty five,
he'll do something towards the end of the year that
solidifies a feud that'll go through the first couple months,
and he'll ride off into the sunset at Mania New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
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Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yep, absolutely, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We'll see you next time here on the wrestle Chat podcast.
Wow, well, let's count the hours. I don't want to
count the hours. Saturday night to Sunday night, to Monday
night to Tuesday night. Here we are on Wednesday on
the wrestle Chat podcast, and it has consumed not only
wrestling fans and probably every podcast that has anything to
do with wrestling coming out, but it's even consume things
that are that are not wrestling and related. I mean,
(00:24):
it's the core fabric of America that John Cena is
a face, except now he's not. In fact, I was
talking to a Buddy Line just today and I said, hey,
just want to give your heads up. We now live
in a world where John Cena is a heel. The
first question he said, what's a heel? I said, that's
a bad guy. He was, That's that's what you call
him in wrestling. He's like, yeah, heel and face He's like, okay,
(00:46):
Face is a good guy, Like yeah, he goes who decides.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That like don smart questions.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're trying to find out, and by god, we're gonna
we're gonna take care of them real, real quick because
John Cena is now. And I don't know there's many
people happy about that. I mean, yeah, storyline. Not happy
about it. Actually, inside I'm I think it's really freaking cool.
But yeah, he is kind of like, we just showed
our texts from Saturday during elimination chamber. People would see
(01:15):
how our heart felt. You know, I went back and
rewatched what happened again because I know that as I'm
texting you and you know, punching my wife's shoulder. Oh
my god, are you saying this? You know, I know
I missed things and I so I was like, I'm
glad I did, and I'm glad it's there to go watch.
But what do you think about the difference between Saturday
(01:36):
to here We are on Wednesday and live in a
different world. Now, It's like we went into a different dimension.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's it's crazy. I mean, I have so many thoughts.
First of all, the whole world is talking about it, everybody,
which is crazy, even to the point that I'm kind
of in I'm a little bit of an trovert. I
don't normally like just say I don't like talking to
(02:03):
people in public. I don't like talking to people I
don't know. But I was out at a restaurant the
other night and I was sitting at the bar eating
some food and the the person tending the bar and
some and a guy sitting on the end was like, yeah,
I mean it's gonna be so cool. He's going on
(02:24):
this run. And when I heard run, my ears automatically
perked up because that's normally a wrestling term. And so
I'm listening and I'm waiting. I'm waiting for confirmation because
like I I feel it, there's like this aura thing
and uh and finally goes, yeah, it's it's crazy that
(02:44):
John Seene is a bad guy now, and I was like,
bro we uh we We chatted it up for a minute,
actually shared uh uh the the our QR code with him.
That's the show, so, you know, street marketing while I'm
at it, But the whole world's talking about it, even
(03:05):
to the extent that I think there was. I saw
some type of add or whatever that John Cena was
trending in like ninety six countries or something random like that,
like just like unprecedented and speaking about it again, if
I read it correctly, the YouTube video from WWE of
(03:28):
that segment has broken every previously standing record that ww
WWE has on YouTube. So now let me get to
the whole thing. Am I jumping ahead. If we're talking
about the whole thing, the segment at.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Large, Yeah, well we do have. I mean, yeah, there's
so much to talk about. First, I want to say,
you said it was trending in ninety six countries or whatever.
That's every country that John Cena has done to make
a wish in. So that's that's why he's trending in
those companies. Ah No, I don't know if he did.
I'm just confessed would makes sense. Let's do this. Let's
start here. Let's start with his win first, he won
(04:05):
the elimination Chamber. Did anything about that win at the
elimination Chamber feel off for you? Because typically, I mean,
John Cena doesn't take advantage of a situation as a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Right, Well, I noticed it because he did capitalize on it.
But it was interesting because and kudos to John for
just being just amazing at what he does. Because if
you notice, I saw this on on social media. If
you notice when he goes to apply the submission to
(04:39):
see him punk, right after he capitalized on that moment,
he actually screams.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I'm sorry he did, didn't he That's right?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And so you see this like, Okay, he took advantage
of it, but he's saying sorry. It's like, well, it
is the elimination chamber. How am I supposed to feel
as the fan? Is it fair? You know, all's fair
in love and war type thing. But it's John Cena
and he's supposed to be squeaky clean. So I caught it.
But it seemed to fit. Maybe it would be a
(05:09):
something down the line story wise, maybe it would be
to set something up for punkin John later in the year.
But I didn't think a whole lot about.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It, and I don't feel that it was really anything.
And I'm glad you brought that up to that, he said,
I'm sorry. That also follows him saying I missed you
and I missed you too. With he and Punk it
felt like that really, John kept to the baby face character,
the normal John Cena we've always come to know and
(05:37):
love or hate throughout the last you know, seventeen eighteen
years of being a good guy in WW. I feel
that he's stuck to it. I think it's the rock
who left us more clues than anyone else, and he's
the one. He's the floater, he's the back and forth.
He's talking about it like it like it's a movie
in the press cond like he went to you know,
he was filming a movie when he talks about it
(05:59):
in the press conference. You know, everybody on set love
what we were doing. Oh it's great that you know
from last week that that bothers me, and it sounds
like it has bothered a lot of people too. Now,
I know there are a ton of places that are
talking about the turn of John Cena, what the rock is,
and what those two are doing together, and we're going
to try to give you at least some of it
in our own takes of it as well, because yes,
(06:20):
like you said, it's being talked about absolutely everywhere. So
congratulations to at that point, John Cena winning the elimination
chamber Man. This is going to be a fun babyface
babyface match at wrestle Mania, because you're gonna have the
one that you know, if you're if you're not a
big Rick Flayer fan, or even if you are, but
you want to see John Cena break the record. You're
cheering on John CeNAT WrestleMania, even though he's going up
(06:41):
against Cody Rhods and then Cody Rhads is Cody Rhods.
I mean you know, a lot of people have talked
about what it would be like when he turns heel,
if he does, and when that happens. But everything WWE
is doing right now is they are doubling down, tripling down,
quadrupling down on this guy being the babyface for the
foreseeable unforseeeable future from the parts like maybe even when
(07:03):
our kids have kids and are you know they're off
to college or something. Now, I feel they are making
this guy the biggest, the biggest babyface in the entire world,
the whole world stacked against against Cody Rhodes was the
rock hinting though all along. They had a couple of
videos and if you follow us on TikTok or on Instagram,
(07:26):
I've talked about this a little bit because I feel
that there are a lot of people just kind of going, well,
I saw a picture of them holding ump aer two.
He did everything he did before he counted one two
and then slash his throat. Well, that's not what he did.
Let's go back to actually bad blood. It was a
bad blood video. This is what we got from him.
(07:47):
You seem count one two and they give the John
Cena looking three. Of course that was it right there?
And then you'll see him slash his throat with two fingers. So,
I mean, is that just how how the rock you
know does the throat slash? I mean, you know it. Look,
(08:08):
I think a lot this is associated with whom undertaker, Undertakers,
thank you so rather than doing this, if you're not
watching us on YouTube, taking my thumb, breaking it across
my throat, that's Undertakers. You know you're going on the
last ride, right, So maybe maybe with the rock it's
two fingers. I'm gonna, you know, cut your jugular. Let's
(08:28):
go to what happened at elimination Chamber. Check this out.
I'm gonna see John Cena be all happy and sappy
and give him a hug and then oh face turned
in more ways than one, the rock still slashes his
throat with two fingers. He doesn't count again, And that's
(08:50):
where I think a lot of people are. He wasn't
count like counting to two people. That's why I think
a lot of the the if we're going to read
into details, let's make sure the details are correct. That's
the only thing I care about it. If we're going to
talk about, oh, look at these places where he foreshadow.
Just make sure it's correct with what you're talking about.
He didn't count. You noticed on that when he did
not count, he just did the two finger throat slash again.
(09:13):
It just happened to end with two fingers in the air.
And that's the still photo that everybody's passing around saying, oh,
he counted too this time. Your thoughts on some of
that now that I've rambled on.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Like, I think none of it is connected, okay at all.
I think they I think in this new eraw they
know that they can bring rock into boost ratings, and
I think the former was really just a way to
(09:43):
get him on the show, get FaceTime, get a bump
in ratings, and then obviously this situation was intentional. To
be honest with you, I don't even think that John
Cena look in three it was really even connected. I
just think it was all just they have a plan.
We know they've been planning this for a long time.
(10:05):
But I don't think it was that interconnected. I think
I think as cool as it is that the Wyatt
six came back, it made everybody have a magnifying glass.
You know, Oh, the production truck is facing north. That
means that you know well.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I'll tell you it may shock you. On this part.
I think the exact same way. I don't think that
any of that it was connected in any way whatsoever.
I do, like you, I think that there was a plan.
I do think that they did leave an easter egg
with the beat down outside and John Cena looking over.
So if if, and that's only if they had planned
(10:47):
that far. If they planned that far, I think they
did that that production truck on purpose. If you remember
the beat down outside of the rain where Rock beats
up Cody after and that's how raw ends or whatever,
and then they show online that he continued to beat
down later and was cussing and all this other stuff.
If you notice in one of the shots one of
the production truck has John Cena overlooking everything. If they
(11:11):
knew then they were gonna make John Cena and this
was the plant, make make him a heal, and this
was the plan, I think that could be an easter egg,
and I think that might be the only one. Yeah,
I think the most disturbing part wasn't though John Cena turning.
I think it was actually this right here, This is
(11:33):
Travis Scott Whack Whack I think that right there is
what actually gave Cody the black eye. And if you
are a Dave Meltzer fan, also busted his ear drum.
I haven't heard any report that he's busted his ear drum,
but I could see it happening right there. If you
(11:54):
watched that clip, what was your immediate thoughts seeing that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Watching it live in the moment, I kind of went
that was out of place, yeah, because not only did
it look like a potato, but it sounded like a potato. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, poor Cody. And I don't know. You can't
(12:20):
expect you know, I know there's maybe some rumors of
Travis Scott doing some wrestling things or whatever, but you
can't expect a musical artist to understand the concept of
the dance of wrestling, if you will. And so maybe
(12:43):
they just didn't think to have that conversation of like, hey,
don't punch anybody. You know, maybe it's just assumed. And
this was like the first time in eighty years of
WWE that somebody came here just like, oh, I'm gonna
hit somebody, and then like potatoes. I don't know, there is.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Not a better time than a guy laying at your
feet bloodied that if you're you know what, I'm never
gonna get this again. Let's just if he beats the
living crap out of me, at least I get this
shot in. Did he have that much foresight to think
something like that.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't think so, because you'd have to think. They
were all standing in Gorilla talking about the segment. So
I'm sure they were all being friendly, But I can't
imagine Travis Scott being like, I'm a bunch of guys
in the face.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay. So I also do a podcast with Ross and
Marshall Vaughan Eric. It comes out tomorrow, comes out on Thursday.
I asked them about this segment. I hear, I'm talking
to two guys that are working. Why am I speculating?
I was asking these guys have they ever done anything
like this and what would they think about it? So
here's what they have to say. But before he does,
(13:56):
Travis Scott Cody has his head turned to the side.
Now he's been punched in the face with a with
a rolex. He's been hitting the head and starts bleeding
from getting hit with the title belt. But then Travis
Scott takes it upon himself to open palm from back here.
You can't see that. They see it there back here,
(14:18):
smack Cody in the face and you see, I mean
Cody wasn't expecting it and turns his head in and
afterwards you see he's he'll have a black guy the
next time he's on TV. I mean, he was really
like he hit him in the eyeball. Like I didn't
even see this part, but I guarantee they told him
(14:38):
to just hit him. He said, hit me as hard
as you can. If they had a conversation about this,
he believes that he would have said, just hit me
as hard as you can. Okay, that episode comes out
tomorrow the Clawpod. You should check it out. Well, we
actually talk about lesser known feuds. It's fun conversation. You
(14:58):
can check that out on It's one of the channels
that we love here on this if you're watching on YouTube. However,
after we recorded that, I got a text from Marshall. Okay,
I actually watched that Travis Scott slap. The first time
I saw it was kind of overlooked, But after watching
it again, that crap made me so mad. That was
(15:21):
so unnecessary And if he's not part of the anger
now angled now he should be, because that dude deserves
to get slapped. Change a heart from the Vaughan erics
after seeing probably they saw the second the shot that
I just showed you here on this podcast. He probably
saw that one after we recorded, because the first one
(15:43):
you saw and you noticed, and it was loud enough,
and I saw him hitting, but I thought it was bad,
but I didn't anything it was that bad where Cody
like grimaces and turns its heads like please stop hitting me.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, because I think I think on the WWE feed
it was a little bit more behind Cody, right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
A little more behind Travis where yeah, where Cody's head.
It was on the opposite side of Cody. Yes, hard
camera side. Yeah, but man, listen, if I know the
Rock talked about it in the press conference. He said
that he said that Travis wanted to get his hands
bloody is what he is. What he referenced, and he said,
(16:21):
if you're gonna do something, make it count. I don't
know if that's just an afterwards covering or if I'll
just say this, I hope he is a part of
this angle now because I would love like a good
three minute Cody and Travis Scott in the ring together.
I'm gonna show you a working punch first, and then
(16:42):
I'm gonna show you how to work a non working punch,
a stiff shoot punches, and it's it's gonna be a
lot like yours. I'd love to see that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
As a fan, I think that he deserves that too.
I'm right there and see Marshall works. He's in the
business and he's agreeing with us. Yeah, that's something like
that should happen. Thoughts on where you see this going
in the future. Of course, we've got WrestleMania that will
be with uh, that will be with John Cena and
(17:14):
Cody Rhodes. But where do all the other people fit in?
And is there anybody coming to help because you notice
nobody came to help Cody.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right. To be honest, I'm kind of bewildered, like, uh,
Papa Triple H must read uh you know the I
w c on on X because I think I think
we made him mad, not we as in I was
(17:43):
a part of it. But there's a large section of
the internet like those.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Are the most boring Rousselmania ever.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And so one of two things happened because none of
us were none of us were smarter than Triple H.
So either one he knew people were gonna complain about that,
so he and mentionally set all this up to fall
into place a month beforehand. Yes, or with the natural
(18:09):
evolution of things, he went watch this and did this
to the WrestleMania gitar just.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Shook it out. Yes, absolutely absolutely. I mean the only
person that came to help was Michael Cole. That's it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But where it goes and where all of these other
people fit in six weeks out form Mania? A dude,
I don't know, but I'm so thankful that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Peopleting I read.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Something, I'll say this and it's not my it's not
my idea. Whoever said it on X you can have
the credit. I I wonder if John Cena was saying
that twenty twenty five is the last you'll see of
clean John Cena, and I wonder if we're gonna if
(19:09):
he's gonna stick around. I think he'll win. I think predicting.
I think it makes more sense for Cody to chase
the being the champion.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think John breaking the thing needs to happen. So
I think it all works. But in terms of what
we see after that, I'm not sure because you're gonna
have Roman Reigns. You we were, you know, Roman Reigns
(19:43):
somewhere in the mix. And I'm just talking about the
main event title kind of picture in general. You know,
Punk's gonna want a shot at it. Drew's never been
done with it, you know, Seth. Seth hasn't chased that
title in a long time. Sure, like there's a lot
lot of people in play, but how the story works together, man,
(20:04):
I have no idea, absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
There's another name that comes up every time at WrestleMania.
It just so happens, though this time kind of like
Dallas was where he started and ended. Is that now?
WrestleMania this year is in Las Vegas, just about ninety
minutes where Stone Cold Steve Austin lives, who just had knee,
hip whatever, so he had He's a bionic man now,
(20:28):
so he could possibly. I think it was his knees.
He had both. I don't know if it's both, but
I know at least one knee got replaced, brand new knee.
Is Stone Cold ready to come help Cody Rhodes because
this is right up Stone Cold dally going up against
something like this.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yep, sure is that'd be a cool tie in too,
be kind of fun.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'd like to see that. I still think it's funny
that Michael Cole was the only one that helped. I
mean everybody else. I think Pat McAfee did help, although
Pat McAfee had to stop shake hands before he got
ring to help to help Gody Rhads get out. And
I mean if he did bust his ear drum, he
would definitely need help getting out of the ring. Your
(21:08):
equilibrium was so off by that. Let's talk about some
more stuff. I mean, there's still that's just one match
of two nights. So a few things happened on raw
excited to I was. I absolutely loved. I felt like
we went back in time a little bit with See
Them Punk. It was like a little tease of a
(21:30):
pipe bomb standing on top of the desk calling out
whoever you want me to talk about. And of course,
you know, Pat says the Rock, Okay, cool, you ball
headed fraud. Dwayne never says the Rock. I don't have
to paraphrasing. I don't have to make a fake championship
to carry over my shoulder to tell everybody that I'm
(21:52):
the people's champion. I mean, just truths, truth bomb, truth bomb,
truth bomb for all of them. You said few to
all these kids, John Cena And speaking of truth, I mean,
we haven't seen him on TV, but we've If you're
on X, you've read Truth's thoughts on John Cena turning heel.
You watched any of that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I've seen a few.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, Yes, he's very upset.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
He's very upset.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I would like to see his take on all this
and where he pops up. I know he was in
the in the Rock provided dressing room last week for
Cody Rhodes and ate the sushi and the shrimp and
wanted to see if he gets some jelly roll there
for next time. Excited to see how Truth gets involved
in some of this because it could use some levity
(22:37):
I know for sure. Yeah, what do you see happen
with Punk for WrestleMania? Where does he end up in
this whole thing?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I I wish I had something to speculate, And I'm
gonna be honest with you man, like I'm still in
a good way hungover from Saturday night. I mean, I'm
so in awe of just the light switch that we
saw in John Cena and I haven't had time, honestly,
(23:05):
in the limited time that I have to process wrestling things,
I don't know. And it goes back to what I
said it a minute ago, like you have all these
guys in play, but they're obviously connecting Punk to the
Rock and calling him out. So how all that works,
I I don't know. But what I can tell you
(23:25):
is is it feels good to have see him Punk
on TV every week. His promos, his promos are incredible,
and putting him in this position is how we fell
in love with him in the first place. Is him
going against a a authoritative regime that's exactly where we
want him to be, So it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree. And I know that he and Seth
are going against each other next Monday because that's at
Madison Square Guard is Square Garden and doing that inside
of a steel cage. I wonder if a steel cage
is just not a precursor to a hell in a
cell at WrestleMania with he and Seth, I mean, if
you you know, that's how you really keep somebody in
or keeping people out. Although neither one of them have
(24:09):
a crew, you know, there's not somebody coming to save
the day. But you know, if it's those two, would
you be mad seeing them again at WrestleMania other year?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't think so. I think if it was, I
think if we if we build it the right way.
I can't remember did they have one or two matches before?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I think they've They did Raw on the very first
raw on Netflix, right, and see them punk on that.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, So I'm assuming that I think that was it,
unless I'm forgetting about another match that would make uh,
that would make the rubber match at Mania, because if.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're right, for some reason, I feel like there was
one before and I'm just not remembering it either. But
you guys can time if we see.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It again at Mania, I don't think. I don't think
you can ever turn that down. I think they'll just
have to be careful to not let it go dale
between now and then, since it's already something that's been
cooked a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Yeah, we've got a brand new Women's World champion.
Eo Sky beat Rhea Ripley. I don't I'll be honest,
I didn't see that coming. I was like, why are
they why are they talking about Bianca bell Lair? Congratulations
to her winning elimination chamber. Why are they talking about
she's going to face one of these two. Of course
it's going to be Rhea Ripley at WrestleMania, clearly not
Rhea Ripley. Do you see this being though turned into
(25:27):
a three way?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think possibly. I don't. I don't quite understand the
booking of it. So hear me. I actually really like
Eo Sky, I always have. She's yeah, great wrestler. I
think her aura overall is really cool. Her entrance is
like amazingly simple to.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Me, and the music's amazing. Yeah that's my favorite music
intro Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, And so I have no problem with her.
I have no problem with Bianca, but I don't understand
and that booking out of nowhere. I agree, And I
think when women's wrestling is more criticized than men's wrestling,
when a lot of times it can be the same quality,
(26:16):
I think it's interesting to mix things up that way
and cause momentum to be lost in a story. So
I'm not sure where they're going with it, but I
feel at the moment that decision hurt only from a
story perspective, not because of from a performer perspective, but
I guess I just need to wait and see kind
(26:38):
of what shakes out.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, the other women's title, You've got Tiffany Stratton going
up against Charlotte. I think if there is a predictable
match and this is that Charlotte's taking home this title.
I feel that for whatever reason, and maybe the chase
of the title with having the briefcase for the money
in the bank for Tiffany and her actually getting it
(27:00):
was the excitement. But I feel like something's dropped off
with Tiffany. Now you know my feelings on Charlotte. I
think the consensus across a lot of WWE fans or
maybe quote unquote smart marks love Charlotte Flair. Thinks she
is absolutely the best do I think she and Becky
are great for each other one percent. I love the tension.
(27:21):
I love the bouts they've had in the past, and
I think they're better with each other. I think that
Charlotte by herself, just standing on her own is I
won't get into it again, She's not my favorite, but
the whole point is that I think you get that
back on Charlotte to then bring back Becky, to bring
back the feud that we actually do care about.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I like that. I like long term, it's just gonna
hurt in the meantime. And maybe that's the point.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, you know, I kind of thought that we talked
about last week or the week before, we talked about
that maybe Jay and Gunter have matched number one of
night number one or night number two, maybe that's the
first match of the other night. Is giving that first
placement to to Charlotte and Tiffy, you know, Tiffy time
starts off the show. That might be kind of cool,
(28:07):
and and it could I mean, it could be possible
just to have this be a squash match too. I
wouldn't be opposed to that.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I think I definitely don't want to hurt Tiffany's
booking or hurt her status. You know, there's been other
squash matches that we've seen, for instance, Goldberg, Bray, Wyatt,
brock Lesnar, Kofi Kingston. You know a lot of these
(28:34):
title squash matches over the last decade, the issu or
so have not really fared well. And so I don't
mind squash, you just gotta be careful with it.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And I think a Daniel, Brian and Seamus.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, but I think that one worked because Daniel Brian
was like mega heel at that point time, Mega superhel.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And he was distracted yeah, by seeing Folk's wife, so
because he had.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Been playing the dirty, slimey, greasy heel. Anyway, So I
like that one, which is why I didn't mention it.
But I feel like that's a small oasis in a
bigger pool of things that did work.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
But if I'm not mistaken, that was at the beginning
of a show too. It was yep, yeah, at at
the beginning of wrestle media that year. Anything else that
we that we missed. I know that it's been talked
to death about rock and h and John Cena, Seena's turn,
what happens next? I mean, I will say that March
seventeenth is what I keep reading as the next time
we'll see John Cena. And I don't think you see
(29:40):
John Cena right now without the.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Rock probably I would say they're probably intertwined. The only
thing that I guess what I hope to see last
thoughts without talking it to death, is I really hope
they lean into John on most being subservient to rock
(30:04):
and rock being this almost like Greek god that has
this like a warrior figure, you know, and almost see
like this not fully there, but this toward the direction
of like a hypnotized John Cena. That's because you know,
if you think back, and I promise I'm gonna wrap
(30:24):
it up, if you think back to Chris Jericho around
two late two thousands, he cut his hair, went to
a suit, had this very and he was world heavyweight champion,
and he had this very like polished, kind of dirty
(30:44):
champion gimmick. I don't think that's gonna work for this.
I think John Cena still has to be John Cena,
but I think he just has to be like the
Rock's my boss, and I'm gonna do whatever the boss says.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I think you're right too, and it's been talked about too,
but we haven't. We didn't dive into it too much.
But I do think you're right about it not being like, yes,
it's the end of the old John Cena in twenty
twenty five, that retirement two. I think now, I don't
think there are any rules to John Cena. I don't.
I don't think that twenty twenty five is it now
either after this, unless something happens crazy, he turns back
(31:19):
face before the end and wraps up a nice, pretty
Christmas package for us before he heads out of twenty
twenty five, I don't see that. I see him running
this as long as he cares to.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I think he's got an end date in mind.
And to be honest with you, with everything we've seen,
I think main we're at forty one or forty two, forty.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Two Mania, No, forty one, we're at forty.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
One, So I think forty two is where, Yeah, is
where he'll wrap it up. I think I think he'll
wrap it up in New Orleans. It doesn't make any
sense for somebody like seeing it to go out, not
at Mania. You're going to go out on it, just
Kember True, You're going to go out in a December
pay per view when WrestleMania Season or you know, Rumble
(32:05):
doesn't happen till January. It never made sense to me
from the start, but I was going to wait and see.
I think he told people the end of twenty twenty five,
he'll do something towards the end of the year that
solidifies a feud that'll go through the first couple months,
and he'll ride off into the sunset at Mania New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
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wrestling fan in the last fifteen twenty years, and we're
in the middle of it right now. Let's enjoy it.
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Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yep, absolutely, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
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