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December 16, 2023 55 mins

If you were a fan of pro wrestling in the late 80's, no doubt you know the name VON ERICH. That name may stir up memories of tragedy and heartbreak. But, there are two torch bearers that are out to put and end to the curse attached to their family name; Ross & Marshall Von Erich! The AntMan had a chance to sit down with the brothers just after their AEW and Ring of Honor debuts to talk family legacy, the movie THE IRON CLAW and how they're blazing their own path in the family business!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I heard him talking the day after he talked to
you guys, because he and Dave Legreca they were talking
about how wonderful and emotional that interview with you guys was,
and and Bully said that he almost called Devon after
the interview and said, let's get back together just.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
For those guys. Man, that's so crazy here.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Let's go, let's go get them, Let's go, let's go
take them. Let's move him to the next level and
get them up on to that.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Next to that.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Man, you know, they're doing all kinds of crazy stuff
that that would be a complete like it make it
the dream complete to have have a tag team I
have attacked you matter with guys like that, it would
be Unbelievbah, that didn't even seem real. That's that. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
You've got a camera right here.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You want to cut a promo on the on.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
The Dudley's right now. We will give you a chance.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We would love to meet you in the ring and
square off.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
When it comes to professional wrestling. If you were talking
about it, we are talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome to the wrestle Chat Podcast with the Yeah Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
As you see, this is going to be a fun
and a different episode. We'll get to a Ross and Marshall, Vaughan,
Erik coming up here and just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Had a fun time sitting down with those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Welcome to the wrestle Chat Podcast, Episode thirty seven. My
name is the ant Man. Welcoming in, Michael Glavin. How
are you, sir, Good.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
To see you doing great man, Thanks for having me.
Going to be a super fun episode, great interview lined up,
but also lots of things to talk about that happened
this week. Lots of big bullet points we need to hit,
so I'm excited to jump into it.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, and really all of the bullet points start with
ce Em Punk. I guess we could rewind a Friday.
I think Friday he really ran the gauntlet of what
could be his feuds for the next three years. I mean,
he called up Roman Reigns. He said that, you know,
of course he was the wise man, was his guy first.

(02:00):
So there's something there. I'm sure at some point, especially
with the backstage, there's gonna be something with Cody. There
definitely is going to be something with with he and
and Kevin Owens, which I'm all about asking Kevin Owens,
hey have have you have you seen the the the office?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
How do I get back there? He's like, no, I
don't know where it is, just unwilling to help.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
And and I think that was I mean, we talk
about what's real and what storyline. I think right now,
you just go, hey, as long as you don't punch
each other backstage, let's just go real And here's kind
of the story and.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
The angle we want to go with the rest of
the thing. Just you guys, just run with it.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Do you think that there's a lot more realism going
on with the punk angle right now?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
With everybody involved.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think they're turning it up to eleven. I think
that I think the intrusive thoughts are being played out
in front of our eyes. Yeah, but I think I
think they've all spent enough time together back stay, even
since his return. I think they're cool with the idea
of it. But I think, like everybody else, not to

(03:07):
jump ahead to a promo.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
But they're just waiting to see what happens.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, they're waiting to see if punk is still punk
or if there's a new leaf turned over. But but
like you said, I mean, what a promo. I mean,
you know, when when we were talking Survivor series, and
you know, I talked about that there are few things
that make me pop anymore. And don't get me wrong,

(03:31):
there's there's a lot of great mic workers on the
roster today, but there's something to be said about the grit,
the tenacity and kind of just the is it k fabe?
Is it not? Skills of the generation gone by. I
was standing up in front of the TV watching and

(03:53):
listening to this punk promo because the way he speaks
is from a general that we've kind of moved on from,
and so the ability to massage and work all of
these angles and then the icing on the cake. You know,
you can't just go around punching people backstage.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
You just can't do that. It was great and I
was like, that's hilarious. But then the best part of
it was in the recap they kept it yeah, and
it was just the the the WWE blessing of yeah,
well we'll let you throw some shade.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's pretty that's pretty great.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I don't remember the actual word for word verbatim line
that Triple H used, but it was daring. When I
think d X was going into the Hall of fame,
and that was when Billy Gunn had already moved over
to AEW, but he got to come back and be
a part of this, and he brought up something that
like either that Vince could buy or Vince could could

(04:55):
put out a business, A little pissant company. Is some
of that starting to kind of feel like, Okay, you're
going to think everything's fine and we don't really recognize
them at all or anything that's going on, and then
we'll take when when some people take shots will remind
you of them, and this is one of those and
kind of that You're exactly right. I popped on that too.
I thought that was that was really fun. Move over

(05:17):
to Saturday with with CM Punk. He should because he
on Friday he was saying, I don't know where I'm
going to be. Is going to be smacked down? Is
it going to be raw?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Is it going to be NXT? Which actually you mentioned this.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think that would have been fantastic if for a
month or two, you know, just just to get up
and roll and you have CM punk wrestle matches on
Tuesday night instead of Monday or Friday, that could be
really fine. But no, we find out later that where
he is going. But that was the only awkward thing
that he came out. And one he was wearing a

(05:48):
Brett Hart sweatshirt talking to Sean Michaels, which Sewan even
brought up. And it was weird because that is that's
that's one of the most iconic moments in wrestling history,
the screw job. I didn't think twice, even after Sean
Michael said, hey, nice sweatshirt, it didn't click with me.

(06:09):
Shawn Michael's Brett Hart, Shawn Michael's bread. Oh yeah, Shawn
Michael's Brett Hart. And I don't know why. I think
it's because Shawn Michaels looks like an executive old wrestling guy.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Now he doesn't, Okay, he doesn't remind me of Shawn Michaels.
It was in a feud with Brett Hart.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, and and in all fairness, they've buried the hatchet
a couple of times, of course, you know, since then.
But but it was a nice nod to today's gone
by and to kind of echo what you said. I
got to give it up to to Triple H Nick Cohn.
You know, we've heard rumors that they want to start

(06:45):
making NXT, not just a developmental brand, but a destination brand. Yeah,
that just happens to have, you know, a developmental territory
in it. And I thought this was potentially the beginning
of a few more things that we'll see, you know.
They they wanted us to believe that there was a

(07:06):
potential possibility that Sampunk could go to NXT. And to
be perfectly honest, while I think I knew that he'd
end up on a RA or SmackDown, I actually thought
for a moment that there was a chance that he
could do that. Yeah, it's it's not unforeseen or you know, impossible.
And so the fact that they did that and he

(07:28):
you know, made a pit stop at n XT, I
think it's just really tasteful and really well done, regardless
of what the intentions were, is because it established that
NXT is something to look at and pay attention to.
Anything I ever see from NXT is great. I'm just
we're up to like sixteen hours of live wrestling.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
With Man and so much, and the only.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Reason I don't watch NXT, you know, hour by hour,
minute by minute, is just because I don't have the time,
but I do read up on it. So great for
those guys to actually, you know, put cmpunk there and
elevate that brand well.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And and I don't even think this is something we
had on our list to chat up up chat about
before we have Ross and and Marshall bond Ericon. But
TNA made a big announcement this week they are actually
teaming up with WWE's parent company, Endeavor for a streaming
platform for those guys to we talk about content, wrestling
content every week we're gonna have.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's gonna be even more.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Easily accessible after after that new TNA platform is launched.
Back to see him punk, he he showed up on
Raw and he signed and thankfully didn't make us wait
until the last segment of Raw this time, which even
poked fun about over on SmackDown on Friday, is that
he you know, his time wouldn't be cut short. And
but on on Monday he uh he signed with Raw

(08:54):
and almost immediately after he thanked, uh thanked everybody, you
hear the music that we've been waiting for, and that
was seth Rollins music hit Burn It Down, popped on
the on the speakers and we're like, okay, now it's
time to go. What do you think about their interaction
mainly the stare.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
So I'm gonna echo what I saw a lot of
people on Twitter saying, and I apologize. I'm going to
quote one particular person and I don't remember who it was.
You'll know who you are. Credit to you. But they said,
they said, this is the seth Rawlins we've been waiting
for since his architect gimmick back around Russell Mania thirty

(09:36):
one thirty two when he.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Won the title.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, we've had different incarnations of seth Rawins, none
of them that are bad. This is not to say
that any other gimmick that he's had, you know, is
bad or undesirable. But you know, I've said very many,
you know, quite a bit, and other people have as well,
that he is the Shawn Michaels of our generation. He
is a great worker, He is a great character, just

(10:01):
a great dude overall, committed to the business. And there
is something that leaves just a little bit to be
desired when you're playing this kind of charismatic, over exuberant
personality and to see him come out dressed to the nines, yes,
in kind of a flavorful suit, but his attitude being
that of a champion and that of a competitor and

(10:24):
just looking a guy in the face and saying I
hate you, and the first chance I get.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I'm gonna kick your ass, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, And it was just such a perfect, what I
hope is transition for Seth Rollins back to this character
of just a champion, just a guy just about business.
The whole thing absolutely fantastic. You could feel the real

(10:53):
life tension between two guys that are willing to do business.
They're perfectly fun getting in the ring. They're not going
to hurt each other, but they don't have to like
it while they're doing it. And so man, I'm sure
in time they'll be cool with each other, but that
is not what they are right now.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
And I'm here all day for it.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
You mentioned the suit that might be the most normal
suit we've seen him wear in years. It's kind of
scary if you think about it, and maybe that's part
of the transition to whatever we're seeing now from Seth Rollins.
Coming up a week Well, we are now less than
a week away from the premiere or not that I
mean they've premiered it, but the actual nationwide release of
the movie The Iron Claw, and we're going to sit

(11:37):
down with Ross and Marshall, Vaughan, Eric. It's about their family.
We're gonna talk to them. Come up here just a
little bit before we leave this part. I want to
go back to SmackDown just for a selfish reason, and
that's because my brother in law was on TV and
here he is shaking hands with Randy ord And what's
funny about that that moment right there with my brother

(12:00):
in law is the soldier and he actually won Soldier
of the Year this year.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
He's an Army.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Ranger and he won Soldier of the Year this year.
His squad won Squad of the Year. Been a fun time,
so they got to bring them to a tribute to
the troops. And back when he was eleven, I think
he was nine, ten eleven somewhere in that area when
I met his sister and married her, and I got

(12:29):
to meet Randy and they the people who were kind
of doing the promotion of the arena where I was
working at the time. They gave me a stand up,
a card woar cutout stand up of Randy Orton, and
I gave it to Chance and he used it to
what he said was defend the house if he was
at home alone. He would stick that up in the
window to try to scare away people, Randy Orton in

(12:52):
the window to scare away intruders. And then right there
as Randy Orton was walking down the ramp, he got
to shake her hands with Randy and rw and he
gave him gave him a nod, and so it was
kind of a little a little mini full circle moment
for for Chance and Randy, which was a fun time
to see. And he was texting me dear and going, hey,
I just shook Randy's hand and I'm like, let's go

(13:13):
see what happened. Camera smack dab on him right there
as they got to shake hands and meet as on
the Tribute to the Troops on Friday on SmackDown.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
So I thought that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Michael was good to talk to you today. We've got
to jump in and see what Ross and Marshall all about.
The movie is coming out next Friday, December twenty second,
The Iron Claw heading to Dallas right now with Ross
and Marshall Von Eric. Ross and Marshall Von Eric, Welcome
to the Russell Chat podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Thanks for having us us. Good to see you.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Guys on This is literally off the heels of a
von Eric return to Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's right, that's right. This has been a This is
a good month for the van Erics.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I would say, I would say, yeah, a big month.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And of course coming out Friday is a movie about
your family.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
We'll get to that here in just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You had a moment back in twenty fourteen at TNA
Slammiversary where you guys got to all be in the
ring together. How did you know Wednesday and Friday feel
compared to twenty fourteen?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And we kind of compared. We were kind of comparing
the two because that's what it felt like at first.
Aw feels it just feels different now because we're in
a different, you know, different time in our same venue.
I think so ug Arlington was the one we did
in tena. Maybe not, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
They all look the same now.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, one day we will just say that. But
you know, being there with with with Dad, I knew
it was going to be something special, and you know
TNA was special, but we were we were so young
and green that we didn't absorb what was really happening
and it was like less or you know, these this week,

(15:00):
its just been we've been soaking every every bit of
it in sitting with dad and uh to be able
to enjoy it with him, and it was it was
a very very special moment, very very special.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
I can imagine. I mean him coming out his music.
He was back in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
He was sitting ring side, so it was almost, yeah,
in some since expected, you know, with him not being there.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, that was special. Yeah, and then the reaction
was was great. You know, in the ring we kind
of looked at each other and like, you know, that's
freaking yeah. You know, that kind of took the nerves away.
When when my dad came and did it at TNA,
that that was We didn't know what he was going
to do, and I knew he was gonna come in
and like raise our art something like that, but the
claw was a surprise to me, So I get it

(15:41):
was a genuine reaction. I was the best seat in
the house, you know, of course, yeah, it was. It
definitely makes it makes you think your dad's a little
bit cooler when you see that reaction. But yeah, yeah,
and my book is getting cooler and cooler every day. Man.
He's he's a good dude and a good dad.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
That's awesome for me, you know, watching wrestling and playing wrestler.
That was my outlet as a kid. What was it
for you guys.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
When when we were younger? I think it was like
wrestling was a big deal. Like when we were around,
Like for me, I was like maybe third through like
sixth or eighth grade, I was like huge, We're into
the Attitude era, and so that that was our thing too,
and our mom wasn't. Most moms weren't big fans of
the Attitude era. So we'd get like vhs and stuff,

(16:29):
and my friends would passing around class and stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Who was stone cold?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
We both were.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Rocky, stone cold in the rock and you fight each other.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
All the time, all the time, and then we love that.
The Dudley boys were just like it's incredible, and the
Hardy brothers were someone we looked up to as well,
just because they were they were brothers. And remember the
day that they split up if we it, you know,
it hit us hard. I remember, but we as kids,
we wanted stopped watching when the Party boys turned on
each other. We're so emotionally invested, so of course, yeah,

(17:05):
and we're like infuriated, how could they do this? Like
we thought they did it to us, you know, because
we love them, so took it personal, man, And so
we shook hands right there. And we're like eight years old,
and you know, yeah, six and eight or whatever. It's
like when we're tag team, when we're tach champs, we're
never going to split up. Like we shook hands right there,
and I was like, man, this, let's hold to that oath,
you know. And if there was ever a cardboard box around,

(17:27):
he was going through it with just like a doubt
going through the table. Yeah, and we Bully and Devon
and they ended up being like cool humans and getting
to meet and us is wrestling.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know, well you mentioned Devon. I knowe that Bully
or Bubba Ray you get. You just talked to him
on the open, that's right, a few days ago. He
I don't know if has he contacted you guys since
then since.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You No, no, no, he not since not since the show.
He hasn't.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I heard him mention the day after the interview with
with you guys, is somebody at our door? Okay, just
it's been really quiet up here the whole time, and
so we started.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Everywhere.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I heard him talking the day after.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
He talked to you guys because he and Dave Lagreca
they were talking about how wonderful and emotional that interview
with you guys was, and and Bully said that he
almost called Devon after the interview and said, let's get
back together just for those guys.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Man, that's so crazy here.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Let's go, let's go get them, let's go, let's go
take them. Let's move them to the next level and
get them up to.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That next to that man, you know, because we've we've
that's why wrestling is so beautiful. As you go up
and you look up, you look up to these guys,
and of course I looked up my family and you know,
as my dad, but he's my dad, and so we
would always you know what, I wanted to see what
was currently going on, and the Dudley Boys were by far,
you know, this the coolest, coolest tag team and they're

(19:00):
doing all kinds of crazy stuff that that would be
a complete like it make it the dream complete to
have have a tag team attack team match with guys
like that. It would be Unbelievabah, that doesn't even seem real.
That's that that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You've got a camera right here, you want to cut
a promo.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
On the.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Right now, we will give you a chance.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
We would love to meet you in the ring and
square off. And uh, I don't, I don't. I don't
want to go through that table. I think we're gonna
try to send you guys to that name. But if
I got to, you know, it'll be it'd be a
good stone of remembrance for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
My goodness, it will be fun that if that happens.
To look back on this conversation.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
One and like I said, we really did always look
up to him, And when when we talked to him
on Busted Open, they caught us and such a we
were like we were our heads have been in a
different space for this. We were preparing for a w
you know, this is the biggest man of our careers
right now, and you know it was there was a

(20:03):
lot of emotion going on. So what they got out
of that was it was real. It was coming from
a genuine place and because we weren't like, we weren't
really prepared or anything anything. Just it felt like we
were talking to you forgot the cameras were there, yeah,
you know, and so it was it was it was
extremely special and it was a real moment.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And that's what it's when you I think that not
only do you guys get the most real moments, we
do too watching and you can tell the difference if
you watch any amount of wrestling at all, you can
tell when they were handed a script earlier in the week, yeah,
or when it really came from the heart.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that at this point in
our careers, it's like the like, there was just so
many moments in between here and the beginning of our
career where we're like, man, are we ever going to
get there? Like there's such a battle, you know, you're
always a lot of in between time. Yeah, yeah, and

(20:57):
so just man to have this uh, this we go
the way it has, it's just it's incredible. You know,
we don't feel crazy. We've we've been for the you know,
the years. We spent our early and mid twenties feeling
like we were in our prime and we would go
and do we'd go to Japan, do Israel stuff, which
was really special to us, and then the T and

(21:19):
A stuff, and then we we stayed around Texas and
it was special. But there was a lot of you know,
in between time, am I doing the right thing. This
is what I'm supposed to be doing. And there was
one confirmation that happened to us in Japan in the
very beginning of our careers. We were there's our second
three month tour and uh, it was one of those
back to back ones and we were probably like thirty

(21:41):
days in. We're our records like oh and twenty five
or something. We're getting our butts cacked by all these
these legends, which was cool, but you know, we were, uh,
we were, and we just we felt really green and
like we weren't there yet, and we were at a
rooftop and we were like, dude, is it is this
what we're supposed to do? Because I don't want to

(22:01):
like dishonor the family because like we're not good. I
don't feel like we're good at it. We're not. It
looks like we're not fully into it, and I just
want to stop now. And so we we sat it
there and say, let's say a prayer, dude, let's just
pray and see what happens. And so we said it.
We set up prayer right there. The Lord, this is
what we're supposed to do. This given us a sign
or an answer or something, and so we went on.

(22:22):
We went on, did our match, got our butts, kicked whatever,
came back to the roof and we were just sitting there,
just talking, and we scratched our names on this There
was a little brick wall or a brick a wall
and on this building, and we scratched our names on
it and started talking about something else. And then we
come back up there later on through the night just
to sit up there, and we see a scratch. I

(22:43):
think I was on the other side of the wall,
and it it was like initials and when won what
that says? And we went and we went up there
and climbed there and read it. And then it gives
me goosebump telling the story every time because it was
the most confirmation. But it was it said keV Dave
nineteen eighty some yeah, some eighty two, and they were
exactly our ages at that time, and and we weren't

(23:05):
in Tokyo. We were in some random like we were
on tour, were at some little venue. But when it
when it was, we had just asked for an answer,
and that that that's what we've been writing on this
our old careers, and that's why we haven't stopped. So
I got, hey, so there's gonna be ups and downs
that we're gonna stick to this thing and it's all
gonna work out in the end. And it didn't get
easier after that, it got it got harder and harder,

(23:27):
you know, But there is light at the end of
the tunnel, and that there, it's that we that that
gave us a grip or faith to withhold what was
I mean, just go through. It was about to happen,
you know, and a lot of waiting in between time,
but a lot of victories in the middle of it too,
you know, so special.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's so awesome, how cool to look on the other
side off where you.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Guys it was like a set up. And I called
my dad because we that was hard brought up Japan.
You think, his WiFi everywhere, we could talk to every
but we'd go, you know, months without talking to him. Wow.
And so I finally got to get on the phone
and talk to him, and he's like, how I knew
it was my dad though? He draws the sketches, this
little alligator with jagged teeth, and he used to write
it on all tables. Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, an alligator.

(24:12):
The real jagged teeth. So we do it too, and
we do it too just as kids. It now became habit.
But when I saw the alligator, it's almost I knew
immediately it was Dad. And then go up there and
see keV Dave, and I was like, how the heck?
And they man, that thing was so old they they
saw it was the fact that we saw it was

(24:33):
unbelievable and we'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Well, and you you brought this up, and it's something
I wanted to ask specifically about the movie that comes
out on Friday. Is because it's right at the very
beginning of the movie. Uh, it's Zach Efron's voice playing
your father and he said that Mom raised us. I'm
butchering the line, sorry, Sean, but the line had something

(24:59):
the you know, life was hard. Mom took us in
the faith direction. Dad took us wrestling. I feel like
the movie touched on all the wrestling parts. Yeah, what's
been your faith?

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Walk? Dude? Man that that that it was the thing
and who knows who knows about that was the thing
of the movie is that that is such a rock
in our family because my dad has endured so much. Uh,
you know, there's not many stories like that because my
dad and his brothers what I wanted them to grasp

(25:33):
the movie, and they did a pretty they did a
good job. But the closeness, and I think it'd be
hard to grasp that they were so close. They they knew,
they just knew each other so well. They didn't have sisters.
It's the boy house, you know, so it's wild and
they all they love Grandma. Yeah, yeah, poor my nanny.
I feel bad for but you know that they that

(25:54):
they had, they had each other, and for my dad
to have that taken away, taken away, I know what
me and my brother have. It's special. You know. We
we bounce everything off of each other. Every story I
have in wrestling, he's there, every story having life, he's there.
He's been with me the whole time I've been with him.
And to lose that is my dad lost it, you know,

(26:14):
four or five times is unbelievable. And he said there
was at one point he said, okay, God, it's too late.
I'll never be able to enjoy again. I'll never have
the capacity to enjoy anything again. And years go by
and him or he was just he told us, he's like,
I'm happy. I have twenty grandchildren, our twenty family members,

(26:34):
and he's like my cup runs over. And my dad
never pushed any like faith on us or anything. He
wanted us to figure it out for ourselves. And but
what we saw with my dad was a not like
a churchy relationship at all with with God. He would
cuss and say God be with me, damnit, and like
he was just different. And he when he pray, it

(26:56):
was like he was really like he's really talking to somebody.
He believed it.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It weren't empty.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know, and he meant it. And
so growing up had us have a different like relationship
with God too. I was I had the fear, the
fear of God, like this is the Almighty. But we
had to have our we wanted us to have our
own personal experiences and and sure enough my dad must
have prayed, because now we've both had personal experiences and

(27:21):
my feet are on the rock and and that that
that's why it's wrestling is a totally different world. And
you know, we're before wrestlers. You know, we're follower, we're
followers of Christ, but we both have our personal our
personal relationships with them. We both have our own stories.
He has his, I have mine, and and luckily, I
think that's what grounds us so much as we have

(27:42):
that to bounce off of each other, you know. And
and God has been nothing but beautiful in our lives.
And we feel like this is the time everything starts.
All those waiting in between, Sure, am I doing what?
Am I doing what I'm supposed to do? Am I
really eaving a wrestler? Why is Norman book and all
that stuff? I mean stuck in whole? Yeah? Yeah, like

(28:03):
Hawaii didn't sound a bad place We stuck, right, But
wasn't that bad stuck in paradise? But uh, but you
know it all, we all know it's coming out for
the ultimate good. And the timing all this stuff's out
our control, the timing of the movie getting contacted by
major companies and all this, all this all started happening,

(28:23):
and we just know it's time. Now, it's time, and
we're ready. We're ready for it, and before we weren't.
If we'd have had it handed to us in the beginning,
we might not have even had the fire back then
that we do now because we want just so badly
for my dad, who's believed in us. The entire time,
entire time to see and to experience. And so if

(28:44):
we you know, are we talk a lot like if
we would, if we could become champions at an elite
level and bring those belts back to them and just
set them there, and like you believed in us this
whole time, you called it. You know, here, here you go?
You know, is that feeling the satisfaction every step of
the way. He really is like you are going to

(29:04):
be great, and he believes keeps and and he's a
he's a greater father than he is a wrestler. He's
a great wrestler, but the kind of daddy is man
and grandfather to the kids, like I'll get I can
watching him with my sons. He's sitting there. I was like, man,
that's Kevin von Eric and my son's got him like
bent over and like punching him in the head, wrestling

(29:26):
him like you know, just they're so close. My son
knocked his tooth out, he backhead. Dad was holding him.
He head butt him in the tooth goods twice that
half and he had that. Dad is like, I look
like a damn six year old. He's missing his front tooth,
and we got it fixed or whatever. But my son's
already knocks some teeth out. But it's it's he's he's
a he's a he's a great man. And you know,

(29:47):
and I'm that that that that's it. We want people
to when they look up who is Kevin Vonerck? That
the movie will bring in new people too, and we
think this story can help a lot of people. The
man that suffered and had every lost everything that there's
light at the end of the tunnel and wanted to
you know, when you google Kevin van Erik, look, he's happy,
he's loved, he's he's amongst family that love him, and

(30:09):
his sons are successful. What you can do because my
dad has always said, he's like, he's like a man
that he's like, I would consider myself a rich man,
not money, money, money, I've had money, I've lost it,
I've had it again. And he's like, and I've had
every possession that somebody would think they would want. And
he's like, but he's like, what I have in my
heart and this peace I have with God, I'm a

(30:30):
rich man. And he's like, and you can't bless a
rich man the way you bless a rich man. You
bless his sons, and that's what God's going to do
for you. And he's been saying that Forginny and my
dad is just a He's full of wisdom, you know, man,
we believe it though. Good yeah, And if I'm wasting
time being hopeful, great, but I believe it one hundred percent.
Believe it well.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
And it's not just something that you guys say, Like
you can tell the conviction in your voice and on
your face. It's when you're talking about it and you
know you brought up something particular there and it was
you know, we're not in control of any of this,
but we tend to get in a hurry. And man,
I'll raise both of my hands saying, you know about
getting in a hurry on things. I've got the idea,

(31:09):
I've got to drive I needed to happen.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, now full of the zeal, like you'll go and
do it right now? One percent?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I feel God is saying, but I'm going to show
you the patience.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah right, But the hardest you can have it. What's
you know you really see it when you have kids.
It is that you can have the you can have
the little teddy bear now just because you want a
teddy bear. You can have the big giant one that
you don't see. It's in the clause if you'll be.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Patient and want that right in front of me, right
exactly the one. I can see that as.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Well said, and you know the cool thing. The cool
thing is, you know, we'll tell stories to each other
all the time. We love stories. And so there's actually
the story any great man used in the Bible, there's
always a thing of like patience or way like Moses,
he wanted to be used by God right then he
had all this z what did God do? Send him

(32:01):
out for forty years to tend the pastors and you know,
to be a shepherd, you know, and then he was ready.
And so it's like patience is key, and it's I
feel I feel like we've you know that now. It's
just I'm just so grateful for every I'm trying to
absorb in every second and actually enjoy it because a
lot of my career I wasted not enjoying. I'm spending

(32:22):
time being stressed.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Out or worrying about the next thing.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Worry about the next thing totally, Like you said, when
you know what's out of your control, the pressure is
kind of off. You know. It's like I'm just going
to go out there and deliver, do my best, like
I'm wrestling just for him, you know. And and it's
it really is like he does the rest. He's been
taking care of the rest. We're not good at promoting ourselves.
We're terrible on Instagram message all that stuff. The people

(32:45):
that know us know that, and.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You've liked all my photos. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, Agent, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Absolutely, listen.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I know there's a guy who had a small role
in the movie, had an EP credit.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
You guys have wrestled a few times. M JF. Tell
me what your experience with.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Him, you know, And I'm like, we're like we look
at him almost as he's a little bit younger than us,
like almost like a little brother. Like he's so full
of charisma and personality. It's like it's like almost cute,
you know.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And he's he's got the attitude of the little brother. Yeah,
drives you crazy too.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, when we see him doing his thing, because it's
the greater he is that the us, and the funnier
he's like made for this. It's like like we laugh
at the most unnecessary stuff, but just watching him being
around with like people and stuff. I mean, he's just
full of confidence. He believes it. And my dad when
my dad met Who's like that kid's got it. That
kid's and he knows he's got it. And you don't

(33:48):
see a lot of that, you know nowadays. And and
and I've got to We got to wrestle with him
a few times, and you know, it was like wrestling
old school wrestlers. Was it was. It was fun. He
got it just totally. He just gets it. He understands it.
And I and I really expect big things for him
no matter what he does. He's the kind of guy
that finds success and so he's he's I'd just get

(34:10):
used to seeing him. He's definitely gonna he's gonna be
great at whatever he does. And right now he's kicking
ascid wrestling.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
He really is.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
And And and he's you're talking about we just had
the discussion to you about wanting everything now it feels
like that he truly when you really pull the facade off,
you know, the the character of m J off of
and And And get a little glimpse of behind the scenes,
he's he's worked, yeah, and he's put the time man

(34:38):
and he studied and which we just see this dude
that popped on at a at a big event that
Cody Rhodes and Young Bucks set up, and then all
of a sudden he's moving up through the ranks in
a w and four years later he's the champ.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
We see the glory. We don't see this course, you know,
that's social media. We were just talking about. He's like,
if you don't judge us by our Instagram or anything
like that, you see you just see that, you're seeing
the glory. Yeah, it looks a lot better than it
is everybody. I'm sure everyone's like that, you know, but
it's but MJF. We we you know, we were on

(35:11):
the independent scene while he was and he's everywhere. He
was everywhere. He's going to Ireland, the ukge it, everywhere
that he needed to be to get where he's at now.
And yeah, he went through all the doors that opened,
and so he's gonna be Yeah, guaranteed, he's going to
be a great one.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So you you wrestle barefooted, that's right, that's right. So
do you do it the same reason that your dad
did because you you wear boots?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
You So we're we're Kevin and carry.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not naturally I'm barefoot all but so
is he's. Yeah, we're always barefoot. My dad and uncles
were always barefoot. My dad was the one that just
pulled the trigger on it. But yeah, it's a big where,
you know, it's it's it's really good for you to
be barefoot a lot in the ground. I didn't think
my granddad liked it when my dad started doing it. Originally,
my dad forgot his boots or something where he didn't

(35:59):
have to wrest woman or didn't have to use him
in a match, and he's like he'd never go back,
and he's talking about the balance and what drove drew
me to it. He was like, you know, I could
take my work wherever. I throw my trunks in my
back pocket, and I can work wherever I'm at. I
need to carry a big bag with me. That's what
pulled me in, I bet, but I wear nepads, so
it's a little a little.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Well, you got another pocket, you can put the trunks
in one, exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
But I don't think I'll ever wear boots. I've wrestled
with like trained with boots on, and my feet just
don't like I like twist an ankle or something. I
just feel way better barefoot, how about that? Yeah? I
love it.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
And did you guys ever get a chance to visit
the Sportatorium.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
When I was really young? I saw it while I
was still intact, and you know, we've went and visited
the land that it's on. Yeah, And that was even
that was a really like you had a It was
a cool experience because you could you felt a little
something there. Yeah, like how much work and blood, sweat
and tears, you know, your family put into that that
little uh you know, MLW is the one who brought

(37:02):
us to the to the to the grounds of or
to the grounds of a border to Sportatorium with our
dad and and we had never been there all three together. Wow.
So it was a little YouTube.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Video of it.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was a genuine it was a genuine moment. And
I don't know if the whole moment was on there,
but it was. My dad started talking about all the
blood and sweat that went into this, and how the
kind of guy my daddy's talking about, you know, like
eighty years before that, coyotes used to roam right.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It was just like explaining the setting. We're just getting
so into it. And then if we're if we ever
have a special moment, we'll pick up like our rock
off the ground and called a stone of rememberance, just
to remember. And he's smart. He labels his rocks. I
got a freaking bag for you. I was like, man,
I should have I should have labeled them. But I
got a lot of cool rocks, I guess from different places,
but we have. That was a special moment for us.

(37:51):
We're there together and to feel we felt like there,
felt like the energy there. My grandfather at one point
was just a kid with a dream that wanted to
do to stop being poor, you know, and start something.
He had My grandpa had a real rough childhood. My uh,
my great grandpa would he would fight or get him
to fight the other kids in the neighborhood. Uh, you know,

(38:13):
And so that was obviously probably pretty traumatic as a kid.
You know, you're like, because he was just a big,
strong kid for his age, and so man, it was
a different world back then, you know. But you know,
he he rose up out of that and definitely made
a hell of a name for himself.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
And big time, yeah, you know, for all for all
of us. Fans.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
The way that we get to experience what your family
did for the business is on YouTube or or ww Network,
on peacock or what have you. How is it for
you guys. Do you have home videos that you get
to go through and you have the other store or
do you just have what we had?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
We we have. We have some home videos and stuff.
Like I through discus in in high school nice and
because I saw my uncle carry did it, and I
wanted to do something other than just football. And I
asked my dad was like what, also, like what am
I good at? And and he's like, you track, You're fast,
you can jump high, you know, you should get into track.
And then I saw my brother doing it. My brother
was great at the hurdles and all that, and I

(39:09):
tried the hurdles and I was okay with it. But
him and my dad are the speedsters of the of
the of the family. And I'm not slow, but I'm
not super fast.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
But your power, right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, So I got into discus and I I have
a video. There's only one video my uncle carry throwing
disc and he you know, he qualified for the Olympics
in that year they got got boycotted and so I
got in my freshman year and I just felt natural.
It felt really natural doing it, and it got better
and better, and then eventually I was my senior year,
I was number one in the state of Hawaii, dude,

(39:42):
and it was it was, you know, it was just
watching that that watching videos of Uncle Carry. But I
would have done anything to be taught by my grandfather
because he's also a discus thrower as a record at
s m U, and that was like, I thought that
was that was what that was going to be the
thing I did. Sure, But I'm so glad. I'm so
glad it's this, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, yeah, in the family business. So the movie's coming out,
The Iron Claw, written and directed by Sean Dirk, and
he's actually going to be on the show with us
next week.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Excited to talk to.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Him and get that angle of somebody who's because here's
the deal is I'm I'm a I'm from Southern Oklahoma.
So World Class Championship Wrestling was my that was my show,
watching it every week from the Sportatorium on TV, and
Southern Oklahoma was my thing. This guy's born in Canada
and discovered World Class Championship Wrestling when he lived in England.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
That's unbelievable and we have this in common.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
How was that even?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
So I'm excited to talk to him to see what
how that even happened?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
That's so cool? What the what the the internet has
done to wrestling right now? You know, it has changed
it so much. I mean it might not have been
great for the eighties just because you the hel the
baby and yeah, a lot of stuff with a surface
and a lot of guys are being struggle right now. Sure,
but you know it is cool to everything's accessible now.
You know, you can you can watch, you can if

(41:04):
you're wrestling a guy, you can watch videos of him
and you know and prepare for a match or whatever.
And so that that that that that aspect has been
Sean Dirkin though he kind of had like a he
felt like he had like a like it was his
purpose to do this thing. He just yeah, the way
he was telling it to us, like he knew one
day like I'm gonna make a movie on this. He

(41:24):
was like kind of just infatuated with uh, with world class.
You know, for whatever reason, he's I think he saw
a h I don't want to butcher it, but he
got just a VHS back in the day. And that's
what started it, I think. And man, it's uh, it's
crazy that it all came to fruition.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And well, how's it feel because you've seen the movie, Yeah,
you've watched it. How's it feel to see a depiction
of your I won't say it is the full you know,
it's not one fact across it. At some point it
becomes a movie and a story. How does it feel
about to see that on the big screen?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Man, It's it's really is just it's a huge honor.
It is. And it's like and I'm and I'm really
glad because a lot of like a lot of people
can probably gain something from all the ups and downs
and you know, the the do's and do not do
you know that kind of thing, And it's just a
I'm glad people can hopefully benefit from it. That's our

(42:18):
you know, our main desire, I think. And you could
tell it was coming from a good plague Sean is
he's he's a he's a good he's a good guy.
He's like, he's a really genuine good guy. And he
related to the suffering, to the like the hard ass
dad thing. He really had a little bit. He related
to a little bit of everything. And so that's why
the movie if you feel something, if you know, as

(42:41):
as the family. Of course he doesn't look like him,
he doesn't. You know, you got to get past all
that and watch it as a you know, and that's
why with the the van Erik fans, do you know,
to watch it with you know, just you know, open
your eyes when you watch this. This is this is
for the you know, the more grand grand scale. Yeah,
we know some things are gonna be off for what
I sure, you know, but it's it's a movie. It's

(43:02):
a great but it's a it's a great it's a
great movie. It really isn't. It's a good movie. And
I want to I want to see it again. You know,
I'm probably gonna buy it, take and go watch it again.
You just go do it and experience it in the theaters.
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I saw it at the premiere here in Dallas, and yeah,
I'm ready to see it again because.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I it was that thing.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I knew so much about the story just from everything
that happened, and you have to get past that. Certain
people don't look like certain people, and you know, I
know that that's probably you know, I don't know that
that happened right after that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
But now go back and watch it and just enjoy
the movie after, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
And I did enjoy it the first time, but you know, yeah,
it's hard not to go there, especially when stuff does
look so much like it did outside of the Sportatorium
that looked exactly like.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we popped when you saw it in person,
like we were like, this is crazy. And then you
go inside and they built like a full like reenactment
of it, and it was and they threw it up
in a couple of days. You know, hollywo would set
kind of thing and go to a granddad's office and
it it feels like you're a little kid. There's like
there's a cigarette burning, there's that, you know, it's this
like smell. It felt like they everything. Yeah, it was.

(44:13):
It was a stunning feeling to be in there. And
then Holte mcconnley, the guy who played my dad, when
he walked my granddad, Yeah, when he walked into the room.
You know, people always say about my grandfather and we
walk into a room, you know, everybody kind of get quiet.
He just he's just a president present about him. And
I don't know how Holt mccnley did that. But when

(44:33):
he walked in, just were shooting him. No cameras around anything.
He walked in, everyone gets quiet. He has like walks
like my grandpa, sounded like him, and it felt like
you know, I was. It was almost weird. It's almost
when he studied for like hundreds of hours, not even
exaggerating that's what he said. He listened to podcasts and
you know, took classes and it's amazing the amount of

(44:55):
effort and work like all the actors, like man so
much respect for all everything they all the work they
put on they put into to do it, and the
study of it. And uh, it's man, it really is unreal.
It's seeing your your family story on the big screen.
It's yeah, there's no words for it. Really.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
You guys got to be in it though.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
To that, right, how did it feel to have von
Erics in an actual van Eric, you're the only two
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
That's why we're so happy. It was a good When
we watched it, it was a good movie. They're like, Okay,
thank god, this is a relief. Yeah, because once we're
in it, like you know, we we have to support it.
But then when once when we were in it, they
were like, man, this is this was a It was
a great experience meeting everybody and everything. But we said
that in the car. I was like, if if it's
a bad movie, look like we support it because we

(45:44):
were in it. And then we ended up being a
great movie and like, dude, that that was good and
being there we got we're really comforted once we got
there meeting everybody and just watching some scenes and talking
everybody and seeing how serious everybody was taking it and
so that and then and then having chopped there was
great because you know, Chavo's like family basically, and you

(46:04):
know he's not gonna sit there and but it was
it was just all cool. And then we met Sean
who directed it, and he was just gray and genuine
and total had love and respect for the story and
submit something to him.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
For it was what was something that you wished was
in it that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
What Maybe my my my uncle carry his personality humor too. Yeah,
my dad there were they were, they were, they were
joking with each other all the time. Everything was My
mom said it was impossible to go in public with
all through my uncle David uncle Carried and my dad
when they were together, they would try to out embarrass
each other. And she said, it just it would be chaos.

(46:46):
It'd be it'd be chaos. They'd fall down escalators and
bumps and that kind of stuff and whatever. They they
would do anything for a rib, to make a kid
laugh or something like that. I remember my sister had
a story my uncle Carrey eating a burger on a
balcony and there was a big crowd of people right
under the balcony for some concert and he's like, I

(47:08):
didn't order tomatoes, and he's throwing his tomatoes and his
onions off, and my sisters and there watching, laughing and stuff.
And I was like, man, you think about it now,
it's like it's just just like threw food all over
people or whatever. But that my uncle Carry was lighthearted
and always, you know, always joking and stuff. But I
mean the movie would have had to have been so

(47:28):
long to get all that, and they put a lot
of stuff in there that they had to trim down. Sure, yeah,
you know, for what they had, what they worked with,
it was it was. It was great and Jeremy Allen
White did a did a great job gott in good
shape and stuff, and it was you know, it was
he still did great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I met your uncle Carrie probably three or four times
really growing up, and what I remember about him to
this day is there wasn't a time that I met
him that he didn't tell me about Jesus.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Are you serious ever, that's unbelievable. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I don't know where he was in his in his
state of mind of what it was. You know, he
what I'm saying, that part shine through whatever he was doing.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Man, dude, that's it. Yeah, that's amazing thinking this is
a real moment for for me and in him because
that that's what keeps me. Like saying in wrestling, like
if I it's a high stress environment. Yeah, there's a
lot of like waiting, anticipation, and you're meeting important people,
you know, shake this guy's hand, this, this and that.

(48:40):
But if you look at it like there's gonna be
there's there's kids coming there, there's kids, there's people coming
to this show. Every single one of them's got a story.
Everyone's everyone's been going through something, and you know it's
you know, it's seeing my uncle Kerry would take time
with people. It shows like that's how he was dealing

(49:01):
with it. He was dealing with it too. And you know,
there there's a there's a lot of broken hearts at matches,
there really is. There's a there's people there that just
want to get out. They had a hard week at
work or got fired, lost somebody, and they're coming to escape.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know, that's what wrestling does.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, They're coming to escape. Yeah, and it's and it's escape.
And so that you just made me love my uncle
carry a little more man because that that stuff is good.
That means I know where he's at, you know. So
it's that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Wednesday night, you guys had an appearance on Dynamite. Friday,
you had a match on Rampage. Tonight, you have an appearance.
You're gonna be wrestling on Collision correct A Ross and
Marshall all elite.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Hey, that's well, we'll see. I we we both, we
both we both know this.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
That where's Tony Kahan just very very smart to do
something with the Vannie Erks in Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I don't I don't know, you know what. We both
both we both feel like the trajectory is we we
we We're gonna be at the top. We both know
it and we feel it, and and so we we
would we would rather all elite wrestling. We're proud of
the product. We love everything that they're about, and you know,
and and so we're we're you know, this is this

(50:18):
is what it would be. It would be a huge honor,
you know, to be a part of a w obviously. Yeah,
but no matter what, we feel like we're going to
be at the top somehow, somehow. We hope it's well
with with how everything has gone. We just feel like
our time has come. Now. We're we're we are who
we are now. Like we we got the wrestling part down,

(50:39):
We got legitimate, uh, we we really have our Our
gimmick is like it's not a gimmick where we're out
to prove the family has not cursed my dad. We're
we're gonna make him happy, you know, by uh we
we want to succeed just for his sake so he
can see it, you know. And it's just it's so

(51:00):
much deeper than just we want to get over, you know.
We want them to see the you know, the fruits
of his labor raising us and and believing in us,
my mom, you know, telling us how you know you're
gonna be great one day, you know, just like all
moms do that probably, you know. But it's a man,
what a what a great opportunity and cool season we're

(51:21):
coming into. We just feel like like the big that
big thing we've always been waiting for is like right here,
right around the corner. And so yeah, we have the
confidence now, we have the confidence that we believe we
believe it. We didn't believe it. You could see in
the beginning of our careers that we didn't fully believe
it yet. And now we believe it and we want
it as well. And so yeah, the Vonyans are shooting

(51:43):
to shooting to be all elite. That's what that's what
we're shooting for.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
You've had BRISCO matches, that's right. Have you had an
FTR match?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh my, that's a big reason why we want to
be Like FDR would be a We love we love
their style there, their tenacity, man, they're just they're classic
everything you want and an opponent like gritty, tough, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Know stuff, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Every bit of it. Yeah, everybody, that's it's the best
of wrestling is snug, stiff wrestling. And then that that's
exactly what we're that's what we're going for, you know.
And I would be an honor to to to work
with them and and finally get it done because I
in my head, I envisioned it already, so I know
it's gonna happen. It's coming.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Oh and one more Bully and Devon right back in
the camera again.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
We need to do yeah, yeah, yeah, whenever whenever they're yeah, well,
I volunteer, I'll take the table just out.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Of Yeah, look at they're not even they're not even
negotiating with you, and you now negotiating through the table.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
We're cracking under the pressure already. You can do. Their
presence is so honestly, I just don't want to mess
it up. The fact that he said that, I'll just
I'll just leave it there. That would be It would
be a huge opportunity, man, it would be unreal. We
know a lot of Grit eight men that Bully like,
Bully and Devon are their mentors and stuff. So he's
just just a found of knowledge, you know, And so

(53:07):
we'd probably come out way better after that match. And yeah,
we saw him an indie show one time and he
was just passing through right before. I think he went
back for the w B Royal Rumble at the time,
so it was like his last he was on the
Royal Rumble. The next day, Oh wow, you know, and
like he uh, everybody was just like whoa, it's you know,
came in, blew the roof off that. Yeah, and he

(53:28):
actually acknowledged us like oh, you know, he like knew
who we were. You know, I forgot he trained one
of our good buddies, Hunter a hundre A's and he said, yeah,
you should work with him. Yeah, he want us to
work with with him, Austro and Freeberg. But I was like,
well he knows who we are. Yeah, that was my
biggest company he already said. I was like, man, I
can't believe he knew who we were.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
That is really cool though, Like when you're you become
not just a not just a wrestler, not in we're
trying to get in and you are in where you
are one of the boys in.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
To a long time to accept that. You know, it's
because you know, we're we're maybe originally both in introverted,
we you know, kind of just to ourself. The thing
is because growing up in locker rooms and stuff, my
dad had to be this big personality and meet and
greets and kind of just like I could never do
what my dad didn't, just kind of sitting and I

(54:19):
was okay with sitting behind and watching it. And we
love them too, so we love seeing it. Like everyone
thinks my dad's as cool as I do. And this
is this is great and and now that it feels
like it's honestly having sons is what may be sure, Okay,
it's it's time. I want my son to have that
and my son to experience that that and I want
to show him that one day when I'm done and
I'm retired, that I I went and did my best.

(54:41):
I tried as hard as I could, and that way
I can give him something, you know, exactly, that's exactly
what I'm what I'm shooting for.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I can't wait to see what happens for you guys
tonight on collision and probably when most people watch this
will be after collision, but h and can't wait to
see if we see a graphic soon, it just has
the picture of me too and only keeping our fingers crossed.
I can't wait to do this again too, because there's
so many more things that that we uh that I

(55:07):
could talk to you guys.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
We could.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
We can talk definitely. This is fun, this is super
Fundy's easy talking to you for you get the cameras wrong.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Would love to well good good, I did turn them on.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yes, okay, good making sure. Ross Marshall, thank you guys
so much for being on me.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
That's pleasure, brother. You
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