February 4, 2025 • 29 mins
The Road to WrestleMania is heating up, and we’ve got a stacked episode of WrestleChat Podcast! This week, The AntMan and Michael Glavin break down all the latest WWE action, including: 🔥 Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn - The Next Chapter? The shocking ending to Monday Night Raw—does this set up a WrestleMania match? Will CM Punk get involved, or is WWE planting seeds for a long-term story? 🏆 Royal Rumble Reactions! Jey Uso wins the Men’s Royal Rumble—was this the right move? Should he challenge Gunther or Cody Rhodes? John Cena’s cryptic promo—what’s next for his WWE run? 👑 Charlotte Flair’s Controversial Rumble Win Is she truly the GOAT of women’s wrestling? Why does the WWE Universe keep booing her? Has WWE booked her too strong? 🤝 WWE & TNA Partnership? Joe Hendry appears in the Royal Rumble and gets eliminated by Roman Reigns! What does this mean for WWE & TNA’s relationship? Could we see a John Cena vs. Joe Hendry dream match? 💥 Cody Rhodes & Kevin Owens - Brutal Title Match Cody’s heel tendencies—was this a preview of a future turn? How their grudge match delivered without over-the-top spots. 👀 And More! Triple H’s new creative direction—is it working? Elimination Chamber predictions and what’s coming next! WrestleMania lands on Easter weekend?! Drop a comment below and let us know: Do you think Charlotte Flair is the women’s wrestling GOAT? Should Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens happen at WrestleMania? What grade would you give Royal Rumble 2025? 📢 Don’t forget to LIKE & SUBSCRIBE to WrestleChat Podcast and join the conversation! 🎙🔥 #WrestleChatPodcast #WWE #RoyalRumble #WrestleMania #KevinOwens #SamiZayn #CodyRhodes #CharlotteFlair #JoeHendry #wrestling Follow the show on Instagram: ➡️ https://www.Instagram.com/WrestleChatPodcast Follow The AntMan: ➡️ https://www.Instagram.com/TheAntMan.co
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've been around long enough that this is now my
third official go around of Kevin Owen's and Sammy Zane
in the WWE.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I do and I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
No, not crazy ending to Monday Night Raw, and it
looks like that that's more than likely what we're going
to get. And I hope it's not just for elimination Chamber.
I hope they ride this one out and make that
a WrestleMania match, because I mean, i'd be I think
they could be a wonderful WrestleMania match.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh yeah, you're talking to guys that could literally probably
wrestle each other in their sleep in full rem cycle and.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They don't even talk. But they don't talk there in
a match. I know when he does this, we're going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, And I'm sure there's all the standard like like
uh move sets and stuff that they'll utilize. But I
think there's so much trust and knowledge in each other's
abilities that even if you are going to go off
script out of the normal dance, I still don't think
there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I wonder what this does, I mean, because it kind
of led me to believe that they did that on Monday.
The way they ended with with Kevin hitting Sammy, hitting
CM Punk and knocking him in out of the ring
after he shook Sammy's hand after winning the qualifying match
for Elimination Chamber. I wonder if it incorporates all three
(01:26):
of them, if that ends up just setting up some
beef for later on between CM Punk and Sammy's ain,
or if that is incorporated into their match. I hope,
I hope. I'm not a big fan of three way matches.
I would I would rather just be the beef between
the two, and I love that there's if there's beef
between Sammy and Ceampunk that they pick up on later,
which seems like more of the storyline of WWE more recently,
(01:49):
is that they will they'll drop a little nugget here
and pick it back up a little bit later on
because it makes sense at the right time, and then
it goes away for a minute and comes back. I mean,
look how long we waited for CM Punk and stuff rollins.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And And what was going through my mind as you
were saying that was something very similar to what you
were saying that this this new era under Paul Avec
he's not afraid just to do stuff, gauge the reaction
and let it ride. So hypothetically in this in this
exact scenario, we're likely going to Kevin and Sammy that's great,
(02:26):
we're not mad about it. Well, let's have Sammy push cmpunk.
If we get something out of it, great, If not,
nobody will think twice about it because it was Kevin
that did it well.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And theologically, I would think that Sampunk would watch it
back and realize that it wasn't Sammy writing them that.
That's my logic, But then I'm also kind of trained
to not follow your logic and follow storylines.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, and you're right, you're right there there.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
There has always been this suspension of belief in wrestling.
It's like, wait, they came out from behind the led
wall at the same place sixty seconds apart. Why were
they not fighting back there exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And when they do start fighting back there and it
comes out, it's like, oh, yeah, of course, you must
have just ran into each other and Gorilla and started
to fight early. It makes there so much sense to me.
Royal rumble just off the top, grading.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It A to F.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a soliday for me. I won't give it an
a plus. Won't give it an a plus. Soliday solid.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
There'll be a few things that I think we'll we
may even pick up on here in the podcast today
that'll that'll reveal why there's not a plus in front
of that. First, let's talk about jay Usso. Congratulations with
this dude going to wrestle Mania forty one. Who is
he going to challenge for a title? I mean, everything points,
especially after the press conference and even Monday Night Raw,
(03:48):
that he's going to end up going against Gunther.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But I mean, he.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Says, I'm going over to SmackDown and I'm going to
talk to Cody and see what happens there, and then
then we'll come back and we'll talk and we'll find out.
I mean, I think if he Cody, I think to
me that it kind of just it's an unspoken him
not saying that I just can't beat Gunther because he
did lose to him at Saturday Night's main event. Picking
(04:13):
Cody doesn't make sense to me picking Gunther definitely? Does
you feel the same way?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Uh No, I am super happy with the jay Uso win.
I think it's deserved. I think he's super hot, right, now,
I think it would have been a mistake to not
do it right. The path to get here, I admit
I don't quite understand. He wins most of the time,
(04:39):
He's got a good win loss record, having Gunther beat
him just a few weeks ago. I understand conceptually the
thought of him losing, booking him the WrestleMania Road and
then that redemption.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I get chat it's Cody from a year ago, right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's not landing for me with Jay and Gunther because
of that loss. To me, I feel like he lost
and then won the Rumble and kind of a it
wasn't kind of a triumphant fashion. It wasn't like by
the skin of his teeth, right, and so I just
feel like that was kind of a blow to the momentum,
(05:22):
Like it would have been better to not have him
in that program, book him strong week in and week out,
even a few random pay per view matches, and then
him going into Rumble and winning. Feels like it was
that that arc that we needed with him having just
lost to Gunther. Yes, it makes sense that he would
face him again after winning the Rumble, but I just
(05:44):
feel like there's some momentum loss there. But then to
address the other side of what you said. I don't
know that that a j and Cody match makes sense
in any universe right now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Who do you book over? You have two monster monster
babyfaces that you're gonna hurt both of them if that
match goes through unless you turn Cody heel, which we
know it's not time for.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That yet, or is it. We'll talk about that here
in just a little bit. I have that on my notes.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But you know, so while we were watching the Royal
Rumble and it got down to Jay and and see
him punk Asina before they made it outside of the
ring there on the apron, I text you and I
said Jay's going over. Jay's winning, and then I told
you I would tell you later why I said that
(06:35):
when I did, And it involves social media and not
because somebody else said that they thought that he was
going to or that I was delayed and they were
seeing it live. No, it was because of Jay's father,
Rakishi went live and simply because he went live, I went, oh,
(06:58):
he knows Jay's winning because he hadn't been live the
rest of the night. That was the first time that
he went live, and I went, well, Why would you
go live to show your son losing? Yeah, Rakishi, if
you just makes it to your phone, you might think
about that.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Either do the whole thing or don't do anything until
it's over. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That made me think, oh, yeah, his dad's on right now.
Of course he's winning.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
He knows well you called it. I think that's the
beautiful mystery of wrestling because it's funny. I read a
dirt sheet headline that said that Rakishi didn't know. But
at the same it's interesting. But at the same time
it's like.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, why would you tell somebody you did know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So anyway, all that to say it, I think it
was masterfully done. And we have other things that we're
going to get into the show that you know, I
know from the run A show or whatever. But I
don't want to jump too far ahead. But Sena and
Jay there's very few situations that I walk away from
(08:06):
wrestling and go I have no notes. And the ending
segment with Sena and Jay. The thing that I haven't
liked about Rumbles in the past is I feel like
they've kind of insulted our intelligence where it's always the
reversal and throw the head, you know, over the top rope.
(08:26):
That's always the way it ends, and so it was
very refreshing to me to have that exchange happen on
the outside. The emotion, the drama from sena, everything pure cinema.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and I love how simple it was. The actual elimination.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They're both on the outside and as you notice the
audible gas from the crowd when Sina grabs the second
rope and has one foot on the apron and you
hear everybody gasp. And that's not even how he was eliminated.
I mean literally, it was about somebody going back into
the ring instead of somebody being thrown out of the ring.
And when the person went back into the ring, it
(09:05):
was just a just and he didn't hit him.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
All he did was push him. Yep, that was it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And the other part about it is too, is is
they did smart storytelling from that moment on the outside
on because if you go back and watch, something that
I noticed is that both guys tried to get back
into the ring and the other guy stopped them, and
so there was this very tangible storytelling of like, oh
they're going to go back in the ring, Oh no,
(09:31):
they just try. Oh my god, we're here this is it,
this is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It, and this is only about eight inches I think
it's eight or ten inches on the outside there, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And so it was just so incredibly well done and
man just so.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Happy with it. Agreed, congratulations to Jayu.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So now speaking of John Cena, John Cena lost and
I feel like his attitude changed when he said he
was coming back to do one more year one. I
thought John Cena was going to be a part of
WWE all year long and he's just making appearances here
and there. When he said, I'm going to go to
you know, Saint Louis, and that's the last time I'm
going to be in Saint Louis. And I'm going to
go to Oklahoma City and that's the last time I'm
(10:08):
going to be in ww in Oklahoma City. I haven't
seen him on anything, And in fact, he finishes this,
pol will not be seen again until the next ple
That is only a month. But he's going back to
shoot movies in all of this, and I love that
he's taken that time to come back and do some shots,
which wasn't what he was able to do over the
past few years. It was like a one off or
(10:28):
a two off for the entire year at least it's
a few But I honestly was led to believe he
was going to be here for the biggest part.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And maybe you will.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Maybe from the time, you know, we get to WrestleMania
or a little bit before, we'll start seeing more John
Cena as he finishes up projects here and there.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But I kind of thought it would have already started.
In fact, here we are in.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Already, you know, getting close to the middle of February already,
and we've seen him two times. Is that the very
first raw? And we see him again at Royal Rumble.
I think that is it so far. And I thought
his attitude changed after that as well, because he took
no questions from the press, no questions from anybody, sat
out and made a statement and something in particular that
he said won. He put himself in the elimination chamber
(11:11):
match and number two best for business. Where have we
heard that line before? Very interesting? I wonder if he's
not picking back up some old things and taking us
through the journey of John Cena in WWE in one year.
If he comes out and says that he just has
(11:31):
ruthless aggression, you know where we.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Are yeah, I think there's a lot of really good
points he just made for me. I view it as
I think Mania is the shifting point for his year
with WWE. I personally believe that if they put Cena
in a championship match, he is going to win. I
(11:57):
don't think. I hope as a fan, I hope they
don't make us live with that disappointment of him being
right there, and maybe they'll mess with us. Maybe it's
not gonna happen at Many or something. Maybe it's gonna
happen later in the year. I don't know all of
that to say. I think that once we hit Mania,
I think we're gonna see full time Sina. I think
(12:20):
this beginning of the year, as all the storylines are
ramping up and we're getting into many A season, I
think all parties involved knew that, hey, there's a little
bit of time here at the front of the year,
I've got this project, let me do this, and then
pretty much after Elimination Chamber, I'm probably in it to
win it. So that's my assumption, As anybody who watches
this show knows, I'm not plugged in with anybody. I
(12:41):
got nobody's phone number, so that's just a guess. For
my part, I don't think you would put that much
marketing steam behind it in the major headlines. If he's
just gonna come out once a month.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I thought that that was odded.
But here's the deal. He says that this is all
what's best for business, that I go to WrestleMania, that
I do this, that I do that, this is all
best for business.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
What if?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But one, what if he doesn't win? What if we
do get that disappointment, but the story makes sense as
we move towards that. Or two, what if it's a
complete swerve and it is a World championship match and
he does win it, it's just not a WWE championship match.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Good thoughts, Aunt, good thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Do you believe Charlotte winning? Why is she so polarizing?
I was thinking about this because, I mean, I have
my personal beliefs and for personal feelings about Charlotte, and
I'll throw them out here up front. They can be
what they are, just my opinion. I don't think she's it.
I don't think she's the best in the world. I
(13:47):
don't think she is the goat of women's wrestling. I
don't think she is everything that the press has made
her to be. When you have to continually go to
battle with your listeners or with fans all the time
that say she's not, you're kind of proving the point.
You don't have to convince somebody that somebody is somebody.
(14:09):
You don't have to convince me that The Rock is
a star. You don't have to convince me that Triple
H was a star. All I hear is a bunch
of stuff about Charlotte, and I see very little that
actually makes her any better than anybody else in that
locker room. She's not great on the mic, She's not
excellent in the ring. Now, I'm not saying that that's
(14:31):
something I could do. I'm not comparing her to me.
I'm comparing her to other women, lady superstars in WWE.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Or outside of WWE.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think that there are a lot of other people
that are better than Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
There you go, that's it. What do you think about her?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
She wins the Royal Rumble one match back after like
seventeen or eighteen months gone, and then she comes on
Monday Night Raw and the whole place boozer.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, so god, it can textualize everything. Start always starting
with this what I'm about to say, and I know
this is the same for you. I'm talking about Charlotte Flair,
the character. I'm not talking about Ashley Flear or whatever
her real name is or something like that. She I know,
(15:17):
she's a nice person. This has nothing to do with her.
This is what I'm about to say, is about a
team of people who decided this was a direction to
go with a character. Charlotte to me is like twenty
fifteen Roman reigns. She is she has been for her
entire career, been shoved down our throats to a point
(15:42):
that it's uncomfortable. And I don't even think that that's
the present regime's fault. Now it does appear that the
current regime is making the same mistake. But look at
accolades for all that. So if you took accolades of
the main roster, your A list people, and you averaged
them all out, Charlotte Flair has double the achievements of everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Else she does.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's not a good thing, right, because it diminishes your
other stars. And she's maybe she's in the twilight of
her career. She's got lots of miles left on her.
But but what is there for her to do. She's
(16:29):
at something like thirteen world championships, right, That's more than
Triple H. That's more than the Undertaker, That's more than
Sean michaels like, bleep me if you have to. But
what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So all that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Said and done, the worst thing that we could have
possibly done was her comeback, get the the NEPO baby
treatment and get thrust into the main event. I'm not
here for I'm just gonna be honest, and again, it
has nothing to do with her as a person. If
she were to be watching this right now, I would
(17:07):
look at her and say, this ain't your fault. You're
not going to prevent yourself from going over. That's dumb, okay,
But I think from the writing side of it, I
think there should have been a little more looking to say,
why not Rock sand Perez? Yeah, really thought why not
Jordan Grace.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think that they have a lot of a lot
of stock in Rock sand Perez because she was the
final There's a reason she was the final person in
there with Charlotte. They believe in her, not like they're
doing Joe Hendry, but still the whole deal. Everything you
said is accurate, and I think what is interesting about it.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is one why you would why you would.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Continue shoving her down our throat when it's not the
same heat and not the same booze that you get
with dominant mysterio. No, that's a fun booz Yep, this
is a different one. And I think, thinking through it
while you're talking, my biggest thing is I've never seen
(18:09):
her as a character to your point struggle. We've never
felt like she's had to struggle to get to where
she is. Everyone who has been a star has struggled
in one way or the other. They've clawed and fought
their way to the top. Some people who are just
now that are already in their forties are just now
getting a shot. La Knight is hitting Sammy Zay absolutely
(18:33):
every all those guys, and let's even let's be honest,
those things like that's how CM punk made a name.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I have struggled. I have you know, I lived a
straight edge life.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I'm not going to do drugs and alcohol, and I
don't have a mom and dad and now I live
on the street or whatever his story was back in
the early two thousands, it was felt there's nothing to
identify with with Charlotte Flair except for Brad. That's the
idea I get from her. I don't feel that she
is as confident as.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Her father was.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The way her father lived and portrayed that he lived
on TV, I've truly believed he lived that way. Because
he lived that way, there wasn't another option. I don't
know who she is except that she's Rick Flair's daughter
and that she's won a lot of titles. But I
didn't see it and think, yeah, man, she struggled and.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Fought her way here. She deserves this opportunity, and by god,
she grabbed that brass ring she smashed through that glass ceiling.
I've never felt that with her ever. We'll just have.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
To see that the best thing that could happen to
her is for her to lose. If they were not
ready to pull the trigger on any other women's storylines,
I'm fine with that. It doesn't bother me to waste
a Royal Rumble slot, because you can still have a
great match with an okay outcome, even if you have
no intention of putting the title on somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
We saw that with Cody Rhoades. I mean, he won
the Rumble two years in a row. The first one
we essentially threw it away. Maybe he was gonna win it.
They've talked like he was gonna win it, but maybe
that was never the plan.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, and and.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So she needs if she's that dominant, and she's she
is who she says she is, the title is irrelevant
at this point. And again I'm not saying you should
not try to win the Royal Rumble because that's dumb,
but it this is I would confidently say this is
(20:35):
the first time that I have doubted the Paul ofvec
Era in that it's just a leftover.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Really, she's a leftover from from Vince that it's like
the story just continued when she got back.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, it wasn't repackaged or anything. It was just Charlotte Flair.
And and honestly, in a way, it might have been worse.
She was dressed like Seth Rollins. She way too skinny,
like just looking.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The part for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sorry, Yeah, well I think we should continue that because
that's it. I mean, I'd love to get your feedback.
You're listening, you're watching right now, leave a comment. What
are your thoughts on Charlotte and listen, you don't have
to agree with us. Just don't mean you don't need
to bash anybody. We're talking about the character Charlotte Flair.
Do you like her, do you think she's where she
should be? Is she the goat in your mind? And
(21:23):
if she is explained, why tell us give us like
two or three points on why you think she is
the goat?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And if you agree with with Michael and I, tell.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Us why you agree with us. And we'd love to
hear from you. Drop a comment on this episode or
head over to wrestle Chat podcast dot com. I want
to talk about some surprises. It was really cool to
see Alexa Bliss and kind of be a nice little
jab to the dirt Sheets who all insisted that they
were so far apart she would never be able to
sign especially in time for the Royal Rumble, and we
(21:53):
may never see her.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In WWE again.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Michael Cole even brought that brought that up during He's
like all the internet said she wasn't coming back like that,
And then we got to the back and the post
show and even even Triple H said something about it,
saying that you know, they all think they know and
none of them know.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, all of that's so good. AJ Styles returned.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's cool to see him again, and it was obviously
it wasn't as big as the first pop that he
had when he first came to Wwe surprised everybody at
the Royal Rumble, but this one felt good because I
wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, there there was some rumor circulating that he was
this was a challenging injury for him. Man, anytime aj
Styles shows up, but just there's it's like a breath
of fresh air in the room. Man, yeah there's. I mean,
what else do you say he's he's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Speaking of a breath of fresh air, say his name
and he appears, Joe Hendry walking out with the TNA
World Championship title around his waist and who eliminates him
Roman reigns.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He could he could be anybody could have grabbed him
by the back of the tights and the neck and
tossed him over the top rope.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But no, it was the best in the business right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And dude, I'll tell you, I was so thrilled when
I saw that, because human nature is I'm gonna protect
me before I protect you. Granted there's always exceptions to
that just by the good nature of people. But you know,
WWE could easily be like, hey, TNA, like we're stoked
to be in partnership with you. We think this is
(23:29):
going to be beneficial. But you know, know your role
and shut your mouth because we're WWE. You're TNA for
them to honor the TNA champion by having Roman Reigns
do it. Even if TNA said no, we have to
have it this way in WWE caves, it doesn't It
doesn't matter. The fact is is that it happened and
(23:51):
it felt mutually respectful for both companies. You believe that
Roman Reigns could throw out Joe Hendry, but at the
same time, because Roman Reigns is throwing out Joe Hendry,
and I don't mean this as anything against Joe because
he is the champion of a very large promotion. It
is it is it. It puts Joe Hendry and TNA
(24:15):
over by Roman Reigns doing that. Yeah, agree, And so
I noticed that the same as you did, and I
was just so thrilled because that gives hope for what
we're going to see in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Both directions.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun fun to watch if.
Speaking of fun to watch, Ariel Hawani does a fantastic
interview every time he's on well, I think literally the
day after the Royal Rumble, he interviewed Joe Hendry. Joe
went to New York to bought his own ticket, went
up there so he could be there with him in person,
and he said, I believe before this year is up,
(24:50):
I will wrestle John Cena.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So I'm excited to see where that goes, not only
for Joe but for WWE, John Cena and Tna Alta.
Everybody wins from all of this. Cody and Kevin was
an interesting match during the Royal Rumble. I say interesting
because I mean I always anticipate the ladder matches being brutal. Man, Wow,
this one kind of exceeded it without you know a
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lot of outside interference and different things like that. We
saw Sammy come down, you know, checking on his friend,
but there wasn't any interference. From from that point, I
almost kind of wondered why Sammy was there, which actually
ends up paying off when you see what happens on Monday.
You know, of course we're rolling back to Saturday with
the Royal Rumble. But I kind of got a little taste,
(25:38):
a little taste of what it might look like if
Cody Rhoades was a heel. And that is, after beating
the guy and throwing him through a ladder, he's busted open,
He's laying there bleeding. He stands on top of the
announcer's desk with his title raised a staring at him,
and they of course get the shot of the camera
(26:00):
looking up past Kevin Owen's blood running down his face
with Cody in the background grimacing that that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Looked like a that looked like a heel. Cody, for
a hot second, did you notice the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It didn't resonate with me as much. I think everything
you're saying is correct. It didn't hit me as much
because I think it was veiled a little bit in
the fact that it was more of a grudge match
type thing. Yes, it was for the championship, but that's
not really what the match was about. And we talked
about that in recent weeks. This was an issue that
(26:33):
two guys who were in the same workplace that are
doing things about it, or or each of them is
doing things the other doesn't agree with Yeah, And I
think it was a grudge match, so I think it
makes a little more sense for Cody to behave that
way because he it's not a street fight, but he
won the street fight in the grudge match, you know,
And so to me, I think it does show shades.
(26:54):
But I don't think this was the complete overt. You know,
heel tendency for Cody, but it was commenting just a
little hint, but commenting on the match in general, I
feel like that was one of them. It was so
well done because there wasn't that many big spots there was,
and even the spots that did happen within the wrestling
(27:17):
context were fairly safe as far as that type of
thing can go without being safe. And it was really
nice to have what felt like this brutal match that
I didn't have guilt afterwards that some poor soul ended
their career for my benefit over the course of twenty minutes,
you know what I mean. It was a very well
(27:38):
done match where I think the guys, yeah, they're beat up,
but I don't feel like they I wasn't missing any
shock in awe if that makes sense. Yeah, So really
good job by both.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Guys, overall awesome, awesome show, and I think if you
notice where the lack of a plus for me, at
least it came from the Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Park of the show.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
We'd love to hear from you, though, drop a comment
on this episode if you're watching on YouTube right now,
or even on on I was gonna say on Spotify.
You know you can listen on Spotify. You can also
leave a comment on there as well, or you could
drop us a note on our Instagram wrestle Chat podcast.
We'd love to connect with you and hear what you
think as well. We'll share them next week here on
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the podcast. We are definitely now on the road to WrestleMania,
it's just a few weeks away. However, I did I
was disappointed today because I realized that WrestleMania is on
Easter Weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
A bunch of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Heathens I would love, but if it was, I mean,
nobody looked at the calendar. Clearly I didn't, but I
was the one setting it up. But you know, we'll
take it as it comes out. Yes, I had big
plans of going to cause them and doing the whole deal,
and it's hard to do when your whole family sitting
here with with.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Bibles and Easter baskets, ready to go to church.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Okay, sorry, daddy's playing wrestling in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This was a sitcom. We would have had a cutaway
just now to like your whole family standing by the
front door and their church best and you round the
corner with a tidle belt in your Roman reigns teeth Right, Wait,
what are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Just because I don't have the footage yet doesn't mean
that's not what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Thank you guys for hanging out with us. So let's
see you next week.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
If you're not following us, follow us and let's talk
wrestling all the way up to WrestleMania and be on
for Michael Glavin.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm the ant Man. We'll see you next week.
I've been around long enough that this is now my
third official go around of Kevin Owen's and Sammy Zane
in the WWE.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I do and I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
No, not crazy ending to Monday Night Raw, and it
looks like that that's more than likely what we're going
to get. And I hope it's not just for elimination Chamber.
I hope they ride this one out and make that
a WrestleMania match, because I mean, i'd be I think
they could be a wonderful WrestleMania match.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh yeah, you're talking to guys that could literally probably
wrestle each other in their sleep in full rem cycle and.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They don't even talk. But they don't talk there in
a match. I know when he does this, we're going
to do that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, And I'm sure there's all the standard like like
uh move sets and stuff that they'll utilize. But I
think there's so much trust and knowledge in each other's
abilities that even if you are going to go off
script out of the normal dance, I still don't think
there's a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I wonder what this does, I mean, because it kind
of led me to believe that they did that on Monday.
The way they ended with with Kevin hitting Sammy, hitting
CM Punk and knocking him in out of the ring
after he shook Sammy's hand after winning the qualifying match
for Elimination Chamber. I wonder if it incorporates all three
(01:26):
of them, if that ends up just setting up some
beef for later on between CM Punk and Sammy's ain,
or if that is incorporated into their match. I hope,
I hope. I'm not a big fan of three way matches.
I would I would rather just be the beef between
the two, and I love that there's if there's beef
between Sammy and Ceampunk that they pick up on later,
which seems like more of the storyline of WWE more recently,
(01:49):
is that they will they'll drop a little nugget here
and pick it back up a little bit later on
because it makes sense at the right time, and then
it goes away for a minute and comes back. I mean,
look how long we waited for CM Punk and stuff rollins.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And And what was going through my mind as you
were saying that was something very similar to what you
were saying that this this new era under Paul Avec
he's not afraid just to do stuff, gauge the reaction
and let it ride. So hypothetically in this in this
exact scenario, we're likely going to Kevin and Sammy that's great,
(02:26):
we're not mad about it. Well, let's have Sammy push cmpunk.
If we get something out of it, great, If not,
nobody will think twice about it because it was Kevin
that did it well.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And theologically, I would think that Sampunk would watch it
back and realize that it wasn't Sammy writing them that.
That's my logic, But then I'm also kind of trained
to not follow your logic and follow storylines.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, and you're right, you're right there there.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
There has always been this suspension of belief in wrestling.
It's like, wait, they came out from behind the led
wall at the same place sixty seconds apart. Why were
they not fighting back there exactly?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And when they do start fighting back there and it
comes out, it's like, oh, yeah, of course, you must
have just ran into each other and Gorilla and started
to fight early. It makes there so much sense to me.
Royal rumble just off the top, grading.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It A to F.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It's a soliday for me. I won't give it an
a plus. Won't give it an a plus. Soliday solid.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
There'll be a few things that I think we'll we
may even pick up on here in the podcast today
that'll that'll reveal why there's not a plus in front
of that. First, let's talk about jay Usso. Congratulations with
this dude going to wrestle Mania forty one. Who is
he going to challenge for a title? I mean, everything points,
especially after the press conference and even Monday Night Raw,
(03:48):
that he's going to end up going against Gunther.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But I mean, he.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Says, I'm going over to SmackDown and I'm going to
talk to Cody and see what happens there, and then
then we'll come back and we'll talk and we'll find out.
I mean, I think if he Cody, I think to
me that it kind of just it's an unspoken him
not saying that I just can't beat Gunther because he
did lose to him at Saturday Night's main event. Picking
(04:13):
Cody doesn't make sense to me picking Gunther definitely? Does
you feel the same way?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Uh No, I am super happy with the jay Uso win.
I think it's deserved. I think he's super hot, right, now,
I think it would have been a mistake to not
do it right. The path to get here, I admit
I don't quite understand. He wins most of the time,
(04:39):
He's got a good win loss record, having Gunther beat
him just a few weeks ago. I understand conceptually the
thought of him losing, booking him the WrestleMania Road and
then that redemption.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I get chat it's Cody from a year ago, right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's not landing for me with Jay and Gunther because
of that loss. To me, I feel like he lost
and then won the Rumble and kind of a it
wasn't kind of a triumphant fashion. It wasn't like by
the skin of his teeth, right, and so I just
feel like that was kind of a blow to the momentum,
(05:22):
Like it would have been better to not have him
in that program, book him strong week in and week out,
even a few random pay per view matches, and then
him going into Rumble and winning. Feels like it was
that that arc that we needed with him having just
lost to Gunther. Yes, it makes sense that he would
face him again after winning the Rumble, but I just
(05:44):
feel like there's some momentum loss there. But then to
address the other side of what you said. I don't
know that that a j and Cody match makes sense
in any universe right now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Who do you book over? You have two monster monster
babyfaces that you're gonna hurt both of them if that
match goes through unless you turn Cody heel, which we
know it's not time for.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
That yet, or is it. We'll talk about that here
in just a little bit. I have that on my notes.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But you know, so while we were watching the Royal
Rumble and it got down to Jay and and see
him punk Asina before they made it outside of the
ring there on the apron, I text you and I
said Jay's going over. Jay's winning, and then I told
you I would tell you later why I said that
(06:35):
when I did, And it involves social media and not
because somebody else said that they thought that he was
going to or that I was delayed and they were
seeing it live. No, it was because of Jay's father,
Rakishi went live and simply because he went live, I went, oh,
(06:58):
he knows Jay's winning because he hadn't been live the
rest of the night. That was the first time that
he went live, and I went, well, Why would you
go live to show your son losing? Yeah, Rakishi, if
you just makes it to your phone, you might think
about that.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Either do the whole thing or don't do anything until
it's over. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
That made me think, oh, yeah, his dad's on right now.
Of course he's winning.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
He knows well you called it. I think that's the
beautiful mystery of wrestling because it's funny. I read a
dirt sheet headline that said that Rakishi didn't know. But
at the same it's interesting. But at the same time
it's like.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, why would you tell somebody you did know? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So anyway, all that to say it, I think it
was masterfully done. And we have other things that we're
going to get into the show that you know, I
know from the run A show or whatever. But I
don't want to jump too far ahead. But Sena and
Jay there's very few situations that I walk away from
(08:06):
wrestling and go I have no notes. And the ending
segment with Sena and Jay. The thing that I haven't
liked about Rumbles in the past is I feel like
they've kind of insulted our intelligence where it's always the
reversal and throw the head, you know, over the top rope.
(08:26):
That's always the way it ends, and so it was
very refreshing to me to have that exchange happen on
the outside. The emotion, the drama from sena, everything pure cinema.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, and I love how simple it was. The actual elimination.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They're both on the outside and as you notice the
audible gas from the crowd when Sina grabs the second
rope and has one foot on the apron and you
hear everybody gasp. And that's not even how he was eliminated.
I mean literally, it was about somebody going back into
the ring instead of somebody being thrown out of the ring.
And when the person went back into the ring, it
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was just a just and he didn't hit him.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
All he did was push him. Yep, that was it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And the other part about it is too, is is
they did smart storytelling from that moment on the outside
on because if you go back and watch, something that
I noticed is that both guys tried to get back
into the ring and the other guy stopped them, and
so there was this very tangible storytelling of like, oh
they're going to go back in the ring, Oh no,
(09:31):
they just try. Oh my god, we're here this is it,
this is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It, and this is only about eight inches I think
it's eight or ten inches on the outside there, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
And so it was just so incredibly well done and
man just so.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Happy with it. Agreed, congratulations to Jayu.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So now speaking of John Cena, John Cena lost and
I feel like his attitude changed when he said he
was coming back to do one more year one. I
thought John Cena was going to be a part of
WWE all year long and he's just making appearances here
and there. When he said, I'm going to go to
you know, Saint Louis, and that's the last time I'm
going to be in Saint Louis. And I'm going to
go to Oklahoma City and that's the last time I'm
(10:08):
going to be in ww in Oklahoma City. I haven't
seen him on anything, And in fact, he finishes this,
pol will not be seen again until the next ple
That is only a month. But he's going back to
shoot movies in all of this, and I love that
he's taken that time to come back and do some shots,
which wasn't what he was able to do over the
past few years. It was like a one off or
(10:28):
a two off for the entire year at least it's
a few But I honestly was led to believe he
was going to be here for the biggest part.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And maybe you will.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Maybe from the time, you know, we get to WrestleMania
or a little bit before, we'll start seeing more John
Cena as he finishes up projects here and there.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But I kind of thought it would have already started.
In fact, here we are in.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Already, you know, getting close to the middle of February already,
and we've seen him two times. Is that the very
first raw? And we see him again at Royal Rumble.
I think that is it so far. And I thought
his attitude changed after that as well, because he took
no questions from the press, no questions from anybody, sat
out and made a statement and something in particular that
he said won. He put himself in the elimination chamber
(11:11):
match and number two best for business. Where have we
heard that line before? Very interesting? I wonder if he's
not picking back up some old things and taking us
through the journey of John Cena in WWE in one year.
If he comes out and says that he just has
(11:31):
ruthless aggression, you know where we.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Are yeah, I think there's a lot of really good
points he just made for me. I view it as
I think Mania is the shifting point for his year
with WWE. I personally believe that if they put Cena
in a championship match, he is going to win. I
(11:57):
don't think. I hope as a fan, I hope they
don't make us live with that disappointment of him being
right there, and maybe they'll mess with us. Maybe it's
not gonna happen at Many or something. Maybe it's gonna
happen later in the year. I don't know all of
that to say. I think that once we hit Mania,
I think we're gonna see full time Sina. I think
(12:20):
this beginning of the year, as all the storylines are
ramping up and we're getting into many A season, I
think all parties involved knew that, hey, there's a little
bit of time here at the front of the year,
I've got this project, let me do this, and then
pretty much after Elimination Chamber, I'm probably in it to
win it. So that's my assumption, As anybody who watches
this show knows, I'm not plugged in with anybody. I
(12:41):
got nobody's phone number, so that's just a guess. For
my part, I don't think you would put that much
marketing steam behind it in the major headlines. If he's
just gonna come out once a month.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, And I thought that that was odded.
But here's the deal. He says that this is all
what's best for business, that I go to WrestleMania, that
I do this, that I do that, this is all
best for business.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
What if?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But one, what if he doesn't win? What if we
do get that disappointment, but the story makes sense as
we move towards that. Or two, what if it's a
complete swerve and it is a World championship match and
he does win it, it's just not a WWE championship match.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Good thoughts, Aunt, good thoughts.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Do you believe Charlotte winning? Why is she so polarizing?
I was thinking about this because, I mean, I have
my personal beliefs and for personal feelings about Charlotte, and
I'll throw them out here up front. They can be
what they are, just my opinion. I don't think she's it.
I don't think she's the best in the world. I
(13:47):
don't think she is the goat of women's wrestling. I
don't think she is everything that the press has made
her to be. When you have to continually go to
battle with your listeners or with fans all the time
that say she's not, you're kind of proving the point.
You don't have to convince somebody that somebody is somebody.
(14:09):
You don't have to convince me that The Rock is
a star. You don't have to convince me that Triple
H was a star. All I hear is a bunch
of stuff about Charlotte, and I see very little that
actually makes her any better than anybody else in that
locker room. She's not great on the mic, She's not
excellent in the ring. Now, I'm not saying that that's
(14:31):
something I could do. I'm not comparing her to me.
I'm comparing her to other women, lady superstars in WWE.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Or outside of WWE.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think that there are a lot of other people
that are better than Charlotte Flair.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
There you go, that's it. What do you think about her?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
She wins the Royal Rumble one match back after like
seventeen or eighteen months gone, and then she comes on
Monday Night Raw and the whole place boozer.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, so god, it can textualize everything. Start always starting
with this what I'm about to say, and I know
this is the same for you. I'm talking about Charlotte Flair,
the character. I'm not talking about Ashley Flear or whatever
her real name is or something like that. She I know,
(15:17):
she's a nice person. This has nothing to do with her.
This is what I'm about to say, is about a
team of people who decided this was a direction to
go with a character. Charlotte to me is like twenty
fifteen Roman reigns. She is she has been for her
entire career, been shoved down our throats to a point
(15:42):
that it's uncomfortable. And I don't even think that that's
the present regime's fault. Now it does appear that the
current regime is making the same mistake. But look at
accolades for all that. So if you took accolades of
the main roster, your A list people, and you averaged
them all out, Charlotte Flair has double the achievements of everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Else she does.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's not a good thing, right, because it diminishes your
other stars. And she's maybe she's in the twilight of
her career. She's got lots of miles left on her.
But but what is there for her to do. She's
(16:29):
at something like thirteen world championships, right, That's more than
Triple H. That's more than the Undertaker, That's more than
Sean michaels like, bleep me if you have to. But
what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So all that.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Said and done, the worst thing that we could have
possibly done was her comeback, get the the NEPO baby
treatment and get thrust into the main event. I'm not
here for I'm just gonna be honest, and again, it
has nothing to do with her as a person. If
she were to be watching this right now, I would
(17:07):
look at her and say, this ain't your fault. You're
not going to prevent yourself from going over. That's dumb, okay,
But I think from the writing side of it, I
think there should have been a little more looking to say,
why not Rock sand Perez? Yeah, really thought why not
Jordan Grace.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think that they have a lot of a lot
of stock in Rock sand Perez because she was the
final There's a reason she was the final person in
there with Charlotte. They believe in her, not like they're
doing Joe Hendry, but still the whole deal. Everything you
said is accurate, and I think what is interesting about it.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Is one why you would why you would.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Continue shoving her down our throat when it's not the
same heat and not the same booze that you get
with dominant mysterio. No, that's a fun booz Yep, this
is a different one. And I think, thinking through it
while you're talking, my biggest thing is I've never seen
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her as a character to your point struggle. We've never
felt like she's had to struggle to get to where
she is. Everyone who has been a star has struggled
in one way or the other. They've clawed and fought
their way to the top. Some people who are just
now that are already in their forties are just now
getting a shot. La Knight is hitting Sammy Zay absolutely
(18:33):
every all those guys, and let's even let's be honest,
those things like that's how CM punk made a name.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I have struggled. I have you know, I lived a
straight edge life.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I'm not going to do drugs and alcohol, and I
don't have a mom and dad and now I live
on the street or whatever his story was back in
the early two thousands, it was felt there's nothing to
identify with with Charlotte Flair except for Brad. That's the
idea I get from her. I don't feel that she
is as confident as.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Her father was.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The way her father lived and portrayed that he lived
on TV, I've truly believed he lived that way. Because
he lived that way, there wasn't another option. I don't
know who she is except that she's Rick Flair's daughter
and that she's won a lot of titles. But I
didn't see it and think, yeah, man, she struggled and.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Fought her way here. She deserves this opportunity, and by god,
she grabbed that brass ring she smashed through that glass ceiling.
I've never felt that with her ever. We'll just have.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
To see that the best thing that could happen to
her is for her to lose. If they were not
ready to pull the trigger on any other women's storylines,
I'm fine with that. It doesn't bother me to waste
a Royal Rumble slot, because you can still have a
great match with an okay outcome, even if you have
no intention of putting the title on somebody.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
We saw that with Cody Rhoades. I mean, he won
the Rumble two years in a row. The first one
we essentially threw it away. Maybe he was gonna win it.
They've talked like he was gonna win it, but maybe
that was never the plan.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, and and.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So she needs if she's that dominant, and she's she
is who she says she is, the title is irrelevant
at this point. And again I'm not saying you should
not try to win the Royal Rumble because that's dumb,
but it this is I would confidently say this is
(20:35):
the first time that I have doubted the Paul ofvec
Era in that it's just a leftover.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Really, she's a leftover from from Vince that it's like
the story just continued when she got back.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, it wasn't repackaged or anything. It was just Charlotte Flair.
And and honestly, in a way, it might have been worse.
She was dressed like Seth Rollins. She way too skinny,
like just looking.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
The part for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sorry, Yeah, well I think we should continue that because
that's it. I mean, I'd love to get your feedback.
You're listening, you're watching right now, leave a comment. What
are your thoughts on Charlotte and listen, you don't have
to agree with us. Just don't mean you don't need
to bash anybody. We're talking about the character Charlotte Flair.
Do you like her, do you think she's where she
should be? Is she the goat in your mind? And
(21:23):
if she is explained, why tell us give us like
two or three points on why you think she is
the goat?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And if you agree with with Michael and I, tell.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Us why you agree with us. And we'd love to
hear from you. Drop a comment on this episode or
head over to wrestle Chat podcast dot com. I want
to talk about some surprises. It was really cool to
see Alexa Bliss and kind of be a nice little
jab to the dirt Sheets who all insisted that they
were so far apart she would never be able to
sign especially in time for the Royal Rumble, and we
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may never see her.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In WWE again.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Michael Cole even brought that brought that up during He's
like all the internet said she wasn't coming back like that,
And then we got to the back and the post
show and even even Triple H said something about it,
saying that you know, they all think they know and
none of them know.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, all of that's so good. AJ Styles returned.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's cool to see him again, and it was obviously
it wasn't as big as the first pop that he
had when he first came to Wwe surprised everybody at
the Royal Rumble, but this one felt good because I
wasn't expecting that.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, there there was some rumor circulating that he was
this was a challenging injury for him. Man, anytime aj
Styles shows up, but just there's it's like a breath
of fresh air in the room. Man, yeah there's. I mean,
what else do you say he's he's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Speaking of a breath of fresh air, say his name
and he appears, Joe Hendry walking out with the TNA
World Championship title around his waist and who eliminates him
Roman reigns.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
He could he could be anybody could have grabbed him
by the back of the tights and the neck and
tossed him over the top rope.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
But no, it was the best in the business right now.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And dude, I'll tell you, I was so thrilled when
I saw that, because human nature is I'm gonna protect
me before I protect you. Granted there's always exceptions to
that just by the good nature of people. But you know,
WWE could easily be like, hey, TNA, like we're stoked
to be in partnership with you. We think this is
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going to be beneficial. But you know, know your role
and shut your mouth because we're WWE. You're TNA for
them to honor the TNA champion by having Roman Reigns
do it. Even if TNA said no, we have to
have it this way in WWE caves, it doesn't It
doesn't matter. The fact is is that it happened and
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it felt mutually respectful for both companies. You believe that
Roman Reigns could throw out Joe Hendry, but at the
same time, because Roman Reigns is throwing out Joe Hendry,
and I don't mean this as anything against Joe because
he is the champion of a very large promotion. It
is it is it. It puts Joe Hendry and TNA
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over by Roman Reigns doing that. Yeah, agree, And so
I noticed that the same as you did, and I
was just so thrilled because that gives hope for what
we're going to see in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Both directions.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun fun to watch if.
Speaking of fun to watch, Ariel Hawani does a fantastic
interview every time he's on well, I think literally the
day after the Royal Rumble, he interviewed Joe Hendry. Joe
went to New York to bought his own ticket, went
up there so he could be there with him in person,
and he said, I believe before this year is up,
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I will wrestle John Cena.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
So I'm excited to see where that goes, not only
for Joe but for WWE, John Cena and Tna Alta.
Everybody wins from all of this. Cody and Kevin was
an interesting match during the Royal Rumble. I say interesting
because I mean I always anticipate the ladder matches being brutal. Man, Wow,
this one kind of exceeded it without you know a
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lot of outside interference and different things like that. We
saw Sammy come down, you know, checking on his friend,
but there wasn't any interference. From from that point, I
almost kind of wondered why Sammy was there, which actually
ends up paying off when you see what happens on Monday.
You know, of course we're rolling back to Saturday with
the Royal Rumble. But I kind of got a little taste,
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a little taste of what it might look like if
Cody Rhoades was a heel. And that is, after beating
the guy and throwing him through a ladder, he's busted open,
He's laying there bleeding. He stands on top of the
announcer's desk with his title raised a staring at him,
and they of course get the shot of the camera
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looking up past Kevin Owen's blood running down his face
with Cody in the background grimacing that that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Looked like a that looked like a heel. Cody, for
a hot second, did you notice the same thing.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
It didn't resonate with me as much. I think everything
you're saying is correct. It didn't hit me as much
because I think it was veiled a little bit in
the fact that it was more of a grudge match
type thing. Yes, it was for the championship, but that's
not really what the match was about. And we talked
about that in recent weeks. This was an issue that
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two guys who were in the same workplace that are
doing things about it, or or each of them is
doing things the other doesn't agree with Yeah, And I
think it was a grudge match, so I think it
makes a little more sense for Cody to behave that
way because he it's not a street fight, but he
won the street fight in the grudge match, you know,
And so to me, I think it does show shades.
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But I don't think this was the complete overt. You know,
heel tendency for Cody, but it was commenting just a
little hint, but commenting on the match in general, I
feel like that was one of them. It was so
well done because there wasn't that many big spots there was,
and even the spots that did happen within the wrestling
(27:17):
context were fairly safe as far as that type of
thing can go without being safe. And it was really
nice to have what felt like this brutal match that
I didn't have guilt afterwards that some poor soul ended
their career for my benefit over the course of twenty minutes,
you know what I mean. It was a very well
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done match where I think the guys, yeah, they're beat up,
but I don't feel like they I wasn't missing any
shock in awe if that makes sense. Yeah, So really
good job by both.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Guys, overall awesome, awesome show, and I think if you
notice where the lack of a plus for me, at
least it came from the Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Park of the show.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
We'd love to hear from you, though, drop a comment
on this episode if you're watching on YouTube right now,
or even on on I was gonna say on Spotify.
You know you can listen on Spotify. You can also
leave a comment on there as well, or you could
drop us a note on our Instagram wrestle Chat podcast.
We'd love to connect with you and hear what you
think as well. We'll share them next week here on
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the podcast. We are definitely now on the road to WrestleMania,
it's just a few weeks away. However, I did I
was disappointed today because I realized that WrestleMania is on
Easter Weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
A bunch of.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Heathens I would love, but if it was, I mean,
nobody looked at the calendar. Clearly I didn't, but I
was the one setting it up. But you know, we'll
take it as it comes out. Yes, I had big
plans of going to cause them and doing the whole deal,
and it's hard to do when your whole family sitting
here with with.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Bibles and Easter baskets, ready to go to church.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Okay, sorry, daddy's playing wrestling in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
This was a sitcom. We would have had a cutaway
just now to like your whole family standing by the
front door and their church best and you round the
corner with a tidle belt in your Roman reigns teeth Right, Wait,
what are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Just because I don't have the footage yet doesn't mean
that's not what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Thank you guys for hanging out with us. So let's
see you next week.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
If you're not following us, follow us and let's talk
wrestling all the way up to WrestleMania and be on
for Michael Glavin.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm the ant Man. We'll see you next week.
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