March 26, 2025 • 29 mins
With WrestleMania 41 just three weeks away, AntMan and Michael Glavin dive deep into the ever-expanding chaos that is Las Vegas WrestleMania Week—including the just-announced WrestleMania After Dark event at the Fontainebleau that’s already giving Attitude Era vibes. But the real fire this week? The AEW Dynamite moment that had the internet—and our hosts—talking: Was Jon Moxley’s brutal “Spike” spot necessary, or just plain reckless? AntMan posted about it on TikTok, and your comments fuel this week’s heated discussion. Plus: John Cena finds his WHY, and it’s all about revenge against the WWE Universe Cody Rhodes is just the guy holding the title... for now WrestleMania 41 builds are heating up—except for Gunther vs. Jey Uso... is that feud already stale? We talk storytelling, violence, logic (or lack thereof), and where WWE might be going next And yes, Charlotte vs. Tiffany continues to get... weird Your comments are featured, your takes matter, and if you disagree... well, tell us why. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram @WrestleChatPodcast and be part of the conversation every week! Follow the show on Instagram: ➡️ https://www.Instagram.com/WrestleChatPodcast Follow The AntMan: ➡️ https://www.Instagram.com/TheAntMan.co
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Episode seventy eight, rapidly approaching one hundred of the wrestle
Chat podcast. I'm the ant Man. He's Michael Glavin, and
we are what three weeks away now, three weeks away
from WrestleMania forty one Las Vegas, and they keep adding stuff,
keep adding stuff to all the festive. If you thought
we were busy last year in Philly, man, you you
(00:24):
need some adderall or something a little more less legal
to stay up and do all the things you need
to do in Vegas with everything they have going on,
I saw today that I got a press release. They're
adding something else at Fountain Blue and it is called
WrestleMania after Dark. We're back to the Attitude era. Baby,
(00:49):
That's what it sounds like at a pool party. There's
all different.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
In Vegas, in Vegas after dark in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Which if you've never been to Vegas, it actually never
gets it's fully dark with all the lights that are
going on there, you never truly feel even if you
try to lay down to sleep. Luckily, most of them
have blackout curtains in your room if you ever choose
to sleep in Las Vegas. But I don't imagine many
wrestling fans will be sleeping too much in Las Vegas
coming up on April nineteenth and twentieth. With everything that
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is going on, and these are just what we're talking about,
is just stuff going on with WWE, not any of
the other organizations. I know CNA is going to have
a big deal at the William and the UNLV campus
Thomas and Mack. That's the name of the place. It's
a little thing off the Thomas and Mack Center. They're
going to be it running a show there too. Now,
(01:39):
of course they have the affiliation with WWE, so I mean, heck,
Undertaker could show up in DNA that weekend. You never know.
Before we jump into some of the stuff WWE, though,
I want to address something that I actually threw up
on a TikTok this week. It was after Wednesday's episode
of AEW Dynamite. I'll play I'll posted here question for you.
(02:01):
Did you see what happened on AW Dynamite this past Wednesday?
I want to know your thoughts. Is this what wrestling
is in twenty twenty five. I've seen some of you
say this is the alternative, this is what I've been
looking for. I've also seen comments from some of you
(02:22):
as well saying yeah, I'm never watching AEW again. Listen,
I grew up in the era of World Class Championship
Wrestling and UWF. It seems like there was always someone
bleeding every single week. But is a random two by
four with framing nails driven through it and then subsequently
driven through a competitor's back what we're doing for entertainment
now in twenty twenty five. I'd love to know your thoughts.
(02:44):
Chime in here. We'll talk about it next week on
the wrestle Chat podcast or there we're at this coming
week on the wrestle Chat podcast. And so right now
it's happening. Here it is, and some of your comments
are on right now too, so appreciate you guys up
and these end apparently, But I really don't watch AW.
But I saw what happened, and that looked painful. That's
(03:07):
an understatement right there. It definitely looked faint. It looked painful.
I like AEW, but that was a pretty big blunder
on their part, arguably worse than when Matt Hardy hit
his head on the concrete. Two different worlds there, I mean,
I think the the Matt Hardy hitting his head on
the concrete, unintentional landing on a spike two by four intentional. Well,
(03:35):
my screen's too small. I can't read this on it.
It's my old man eyes right here. I love the
violence of wrestling, but sorry, this is too much for
children watching. If it was a pay per view I
might understand, but please remember children try that stuff. Do
you want to receive a phone call of your child
doing that? I don't. I would not please the PG.
Boring crap from WWE doesn't compare. That's from Mega Death.
(04:00):
By the name's Mega Death. I would expect them to
not have an issue with it. Right, let's hear I
loved it alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch
the obvious choice. CJ. Campos, thank you for that comment.
The spot was not worth taking a chance on causing
a real bad injury. We expect them to be athletic,
but not crazy. It's Max, He's crazy, pure garbage. That
(04:26):
is why wrestling gets a bad reputation. It appeals to
the same people who stop at car accidents. Mastadon eighty
five twenty. Thank you, dude. I'm not a fan of it,
but it is an awesome visual. Okay, Broken Gamer this
is too much in my opinion. That was from Travis
(04:48):
Lily thirty two. We have one more here, Yeah, the
Roman Gladiators Live. It's more extreme than ECW. One I
couldn't fit on here was from someone who said, hey,
you forgot to me, Hey you forgot ECW. I didn't
grow up on ECW. That's why I didn't mention ECW.
I just mentioned a couple of places that I that
I did grow up on it. And it was very
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violent back in the eighties and even early nineties, with
mainly the eighties and World Class Championship Wrestling and UWF.
I mean there were Bruiser Brodie. It didn't matter what
kind of match it was. It's just a normal match
on a Saturday night. He bled. Now he would be
logical though he would hit. He would hit you know,
(05:32):
a ring post or a chair or something like that.
I don't even think the violence is the issue, at
least it's not in my opinion. I have some thoughts
on this. I know you do too. I'm going to
I'm going to concede to you. Since I posted this,
I'm going to concede to you and let you start
things off. Michael, your thoughts on this spot from Dynamite
(05:53):
last Wednesday night. Well, thank you, sir, got it, So
we're moving on. I'm just kidding god.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, there's so many layers like Rustling at its core
is about the suspension of belief. You can't be a
wrestling fan, and to some extent, even if you're a child,
suspend belief. You know, these two guys that hate each
other come through the same curtain. You know, they're in
(06:27):
the same arena every week. Somehow they don't ever fight
out in the other time any other time, Mondays and Fridays.
You know, whatever you have to it's it's entertainment, but
it still has to be explainable. You know, I don't know,
I'll take you back to back in the maybe the
late nineties. You ever accidentally stumble across Cartoon Network after
(06:51):
like ten pm at night and you just see the
most random stuff that you don't understand and there's no
context to it. That's kind of what that felt like,
because okay, hold on, So first of all, why isn't
there a union at this arena? Do they have OSHA?
(07:12):
Why is there a board with a bunch of nails
in it? Did somebody bring it in was it under
the ring? I don't remember where they grabbed it from.
Why does why is this here to start with? Then? Furthermore,
there have been very few wrestling feuds in all of
history where you legitimately believe that these two people hate
(07:32):
each other enough to want to murder each other. And so, okay,
you do that. I'm not even gonna touch the safety thing.
It's self explanatory. But it's like, then to the point
of the individual from the comment, it's on TV and
you're just throwing this stuff away. So anyway, my overall
(07:56):
point is why it doesn't make any sense on any level.
So I'm gonna wrap that up, put that there, and
then separate from the why point is is just the
simple fact of like I, I think it's because they
don't know what else to do, Like they're not they're
not in the groove on storytelling. These guys seem like
(08:18):
they all have individual creative control. We all know Mox
has an affinity for doing very very violent things in
wrestling matches, and it just feels like there's no control,
there's no story, there's no it's just a free for
all and it doesn't fit. And so I would I
(08:40):
would agree with what another person said. I don't think
it's necessarily the spot itself that bothers me, because I
think there's been places in wrestling history that it could
have worked. So it's not just the spot. I think
it's everything except the spot that it just doesn't make
sense to me. But thank you for coming to my
(09:01):
ted talk. I yield the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It was interesting for a couple of days, and I
frequent busted open quite a bit during the week. Even
if it's not live, I'll catch it after it's been
playing for a couple hours in that channel and you
can actually rewind, which is kind of cool. So I'll
go back to the start, even if I don't start
it until ten or eleven o'clock in the morning. Right,
and so a couple of days this week, Dave Lagreca,
(09:28):
the guys have been talking about it. First, I want
to point out that Bully brought up a point was
he doesn't believe with one. He believes that he was
supposed to land and roll off. It was supposed to
be a spot where he got suplexed on it lands,
it hurts, and he rolls off. That it was never
(09:48):
ever one time expected to stick in John Moxley's back.
I don't agree with that, and I know I'm not
the professional. I know that he is. Just don't see
any other way of doing that, watching the way that
they did it, the way he was positioned. Why didn't
(10:08):
hit him in the legs? Why didn't hit him in
the butt? Because it was purposeful that it hit him
in the back? Cope suplexting close enough that he knew
these Again, these guys are pros. He knows where that's
going to land. What would make anybody think that they
were just supposed to roll off and it not stick?
(10:28):
Do I think it stuck further than they thought? Maybe?
And I'll tell you, man, that is so dang close
to his spine that if anything, I mean you're talking
about millimeters now, it could have penetrated his spine and
been paralyzed. I think some of it is careless and
(10:51):
it feels that way. And if that's the way it's
supposed to feel in great, good job, mission accomplished, because
that's what it felt like to me. Do I feel
like he messed up and he was supposed to roll off? Now?
And also I don't it felt so out of the blue.
Dave was. At one point Dave was screaming about, if
you don't like violence and you don't like blood, turn
it off. This is not what The blood didn't bother me.
(11:14):
The violence didn't bother me. In a longer way of
what you said of why is why this? Why here?
Why on a random Wednesday night? Not the first match
of the night, not the main event of the night.
It was like the third match in Oh, by the way,
these two are going to have a street fight and
the title doesn't change hands. It's just so in order
(11:36):
for you to get to a point where the title
does change hands, what are you doing pushing the guy
off the top of a building? Yeah, is that what
we have to get to in this story? Because just yes,
you have to. You have to suspend that disbelief a
little bit every time you watch wrestling. But some things
you it just makes logical sense when they walk out
and do what they do in the story. Yes, it
(11:58):
doesn't make sense for the Rock to jump from a
building into a helicopter that's hanging out there. We know
that didn't happen, But in the course of the movie
you were like, oh, yeah, that makes sense for him
to jump from here to there or the car and
fasten the furious to jump off and he can, you know,
jump out of one window, run across the top and
back in the other side or whatever. It's like, okay,
that's silly, but it is a movie you think about that.
(12:19):
But here it was like, this is normally a place
where you just go, okay, that was maybe that's a
decent match, or okay, I didn't maybe they're starting a
story here. No, this was a continuation, but they felt
that in the continuation of this story, like you said,
is he gonna he's gonna murder him right with this thing? Yeah,
he's listen, Cope has had that. He calls him Spike.
(12:41):
He has a case for it. When they were in Austin,
he brought the case in and he took it out
of the case, which was it was kind of cool.
Is this looks ravaging? It could kill somebody, right, and
you think, okay, it's the same as Mick Foley and
a barbed wire bat barbie and you see that and
you go, okay, yeah, that's that's gonna be. But it
was always if he had it, somebody's that they were
(13:02):
already bleeding and he had it, he had it positioned
just over their head and look like he's just rubbing
those barbs in their head. Yeah, it probably didn't feel great.
I never once thought he better quit or he's going
to die, right. This was like he hit I don't
know if he's going to be able to stand up again, right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And And what's interesting is at the same time, and
this is this is obviously just an opinion, okay, but
at the same time, as much as we're kind of
dogging on kind of everything we've said about the why
do it portion of it, because they did do it,
(13:40):
I don't know that it was that effective in the
sense in the sense of I can watch I can
go back to elimination chamber, you know, And we've talked
about this in years past about you know, the newer
version of the chamber is a lot safer and things
like that, and even in the new Baby playpen elimination chamber,
(14:01):
even that seemed more brutal and interesting than that spot.
And that should tell you something because that it's not
about the use of props, it's not about the grandiose
of a structure, nails or whatever. It's it's about doing
(14:21):
things for a reason. And there was just no reason
to have that spot. It's just a miss overall.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, I agree. I hope this this conversation continues when
it comes to stuff like exactly what you just said
is that I don't It didn't further the story for me.
It didn't make me go, oh my gosh, I've got
to watch what happens next. Yep with between mocks and
between Cope, I don't have to watch any more of that.
In fact, you're just if you're just gonna surprise me
(14:52):
on some random Wednesday in the middle of a show.
I mean, I'll just record it and if I hear
something happens, go back and watch it. You know, it
doesn't give entice me to move forward with these two.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Not to mention that it's impossible to continue to up
the ante after that. There's no there's no self control
in any of this from a storytelling perspective, which.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I would expect, like I get it from Max, I
do I kind of because it's he's random. I mean,
I expect him to walk out at any time with
a pizza cutter and at some point to go through
a pizza oven. Who knows copelan iks I he's done
some crazy stuff. But it's not his everyday mo o.
It's not what he does all the time. And I
(15:33):
know he only has a little bit of time left.
In that little bit of time, does he want to
have a pair ofplegic on his hands saying yeah, sure,
I'll do that spot with you with Spike. I mean,
I don't know, maybe we've maybe we said enough. I
think we proved or you know, stayed at our points
for both of us. But continue to hear from you
guys as well. If if you liked it, explain why
(15:54):
what did it do for you? That's kind of what
I'm past the point of going. Man, this is you
don't know what you're talking about. You know, this is
way better than that crap on ww why explain?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Why tell me why?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh my gosh, the boy band podcast is back on?
Thank you guys, Ford Awesome, how well you pulled that
out there. Speaking of boy bands, how about John cena
and and Cody Rhodes. They could be a good boy
band maybe After this feuds over the had round number
(16:29):
two of the Battle of the Mics past this past Monday.
Again overseas very nice having a three o'clock start. It
was done before five point thirty, and I was lost
on what to do on Monday night afterwards. Like we
talked about last week, and we've got one more week
of that. It's going to be starting here my time,
two o'clock, three o'clock for you, because it's coming from
(16:50):
London next Monday, and evidently they're doing their daylight Saving
time as well. They're they're doing that this coming week.
So next Monday's raw is going to come to a story.
This is the last raw that John Cena is advertised
for before WrestleMania. This is the last one they say, Yep,
he's gonna be part of it. We don't have another one.
I mean, we still have two more weeks after that
(17:11):
of just no John Cena or we're gonna have the
Rock when God forbid, we have Travis Scott come back.
I personally thought that around number two was not as
effective as it was like a it was like copy
paste but change a few details. Did it feel like
that to you or is it I'm just hanging out
(17:31):
here solo on this island.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm on the other side of the fence. Bro. I
think it got better.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Did you explain why do you tear?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Mean? Why here's why do you remember what my biggest
complaint was last week?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
On which point on those two on.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
John Cena and his elongated promo from last it was
it wasn't the there was a mission or a goal like,
it was just I'm gonna come out here be upset
feelings this, feelings that. But what's the why?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You know? That's just call this hang on. I'm starting
to notice a theme on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know there was you know, uh, because I think
what I did is I referenced why now did John
Cena take advantage of that moment in the chamber? Why
did he feel the need to betray Cody in order
to stick it to the crowd? It didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
This week, I believe that it got better because John
Cena clarified his intentions. You guys have been and I
actually like it. I'm gonna explain why you guys have
relentlessly mocked me. You've taken everything from me. I've given
everything that I have and there's one thing that I remember.
(19:02):
It's that when I had my big moment and I
won titles for the first time, whether it be the
US title, the WWE title, I made it my own
as a symbol of my success. And I did that
for us, but you got spat in my face. You
let me know online how terrible everything was. And so
(19:23):
here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to ruin wrestling
for you. Oh yeah, I'm going to win. And here's
what I liked about this. Oh, let me finish this.
I'm gonna win and I'm gonna take that title home
and it's gonna stay with me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna retire with it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm gonna retire with it, and you can go make
a new toy for yourselves, because now I'm in this
for me. And what I love about this is that
it's creating a bad guy outside of Cody and Sina.
Cody's just the guy that holds the title. And yes,
Cody's gonna benefit from this, but I actually really like
(20:03):
the fact that John's beef is not with Cody, it's
with the people, and he's going to ruin rustling by
winning the title and taking it home, which I also love.
Hear me out because it's the exact antithesis of the
(20:24):
Summer of Punk and him trying to leave with the
WWE Championship. Does that mean that we get to see
John Cena and see him punk switch places for the
sake of the WWE Championship. Yeah, so much there and
so all of that to say, I think that the
(20:47):
goals were clarified and it made Scena really dig his
heels into that character. He was wearing black, which really fit.
He found his enemy and he found his goal. We
are his enemy because we he's sick of our crap
and his goal is to take the title and take
(21:09):
it from us.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It'll be nice. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
No, I'm here for it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll be so I'll be excited to see if WWE
can actually connect those dots for those who don't know
and don't get it and don't see it. Can they
Will they go back and pull stuff? Will they pull
shots of him getting those those titles that are spinner belts?
Will he uh, you know, show this feud between johnsona
and the audience in the WE universe with just their
(21:37):
figurehead being Cody Rhodes and that's why he's fighting him. Now,
That's that's great points there, and it actually helps connect
the dots from me because when I saw it, I thought, Okay,
he's gonna come out, He's going to do his deal.
The music going to HiT's gonna be. Cody's gonna come in.
And guess what happened. He came out, he did his deal.
Music hit, Cody came out and did his deal. He
leaves right. I maybe the exchange felt weaker to me.
(21:59):
I didn't really agree.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think momentum wise, I think the story was clarified,
but I think I think the promo was not as
bubbly as maybe as it should have been.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I really expected last week, and I get why they didn't.
But it's the first time you came face to face
with a guy that just beat the living crap out
of you, with Travis Cotton the Rock, and you don't
do anything to him. That feels That felt a little weird,
and to go two weeks felt even more weird. You're
delaying the inevitable. Could you just could you do like
(22:31):
literally talk to him and then just kick him in
the nuts like he did? You? Could you do that?
And yeah, I know that that now, Yes, that's right,
that he is. You're exactly right. We have one more
thing I wanted to catch up on here before we
have to go, and that is a lot of people
online the what IWC is really kind of venting over
(22:54):
the build up for some mashes. Yes, everything feels like
the majority of the momentum is going for Cody and Sena.
Understandable things are starting to pick up with whatever is
happening between Roman, Siam Punk and Drew McIntyre. I'm in
on that. I think there's some story to tell there,
(23:15):
there's some mysteries to unravel in that. It doesn't have
as much attention as Cody and Cody and Sena. After that,
the next biggest one I would have thought would have
been Gunther and Jay, and it feels like that's just
kind of oh, yeah, that's right, we do have a
world title match. I felt like that on Monday, they're like, oh, yeah,
(23:35):
that's right, we do have Gunther. Oh that's right, Jay
is up for that title. And then to have the
confrontation on raw actually, well it happened some of the
ring and Jay slips, which I don't know if it's
on purpose or if it is part of the story.
I mean, it looked like it was another angle, kind
of looked like, oh crap, he lost his footing. But
then the confrontation backstage happened between Jay's brother Jimmy and Gunther.
(24:02):
Is this I see a lot of people say this
and see if you agree here, Michael, is the Gunther
j story starting to feel stale? Did they start it
too soon?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We talked about this a few weeks ago, Well, a
different version of this. It wasn't this specific t too Yeah. Yeah,
and I'm gonna call back to what I said. It's
that the booking leading into it made no sense. We
did a short program with Jay and Gunther, him getting
that opportunity, then he lost and it learned it. Yeah,
and and then he just turns around and wins the rumble.
(24:34):
I think it was just failures in booking. And I
like Jay. I think he's I think everything about him
is ready for a world title run, but only because
a story it doesn't feel like the right time, Like
if he wins this, it's not gonna feel like something.
And so my overall gripe is I don't know that
(24:58):
it went stale. I I think we've just been a
little apathetic to it from the start, because it's like, Okay,
Jay's lost this three times, Like he's he's lost the
opportunity two or three times.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, well, it started here, and where it started and
where it went to was about here, and that was
really all the story that we have left until we
actually have the match.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, and I mean you could have done anything like
there's you could have had, you know, uh, Gunther go
beat up people that Jay has been in an alliance with.
There are things you could have done to make it
more personal, to feel like something's happening, But it's not.
It's about the title, which is great. I don't have
(25:44):
a problem with that, but it's not interesting. There's no
story here.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
For a while, it was that that Gunther kept jumping
Jay in matches or before matches or right after his intro.
And at this point, I'm kind of like, what if
he had just kept that up, I'm I'd be more
interested than I am right now. There's no where you
can go, Jay, and I won't be there, yep, and
always keeping you from knocking you back down, knocking you
(26:10):
back down off the mountain, knocking you back down off
the mountain. That had it been more.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Interesting, could I zoom out for a second, here's what's
interesting about this WrestleMania season. I'll admit I'm falling into
a little bit of the trap, like ooh, I don't
I don't know if this is shaping up, like I
don't know if it's unraveling the way it needs to.
And it's weird because pretty much for two years now,
(26:39):
I've been on and on and on about how much
better the storytelling is and how much better the product is.
And now we're leading in to the biggest time of
the year with a creative team that has been successfully
long term booking for two years, and things feel flat.
(27:00):
It doesn't feel like that is right. So part of
me wonders if like they just decided to like intentionally
put a short fuse on this mania where all this
huge stuff is going to come together last minute. It
puts all eyes on Vegas and just all of a sudden,
(27:24):
it just feels like the biggest thing happening in all
of the world.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, at least that's what I'm gonna hope.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, I'll tell you, as we mentioned probably in every podcast,
is that they've given us no reason to doubt, and
so they've always tended to pull things together right at
the last minute. Even what has felt like going into
the day of a lackluster pl has ended up being
good if not great pls, And ever since the regime change,
(27:55):
there's always been that kind of optimism leading into whatever
it may be, this being the grandest stage of them all.
See if they can't pull it off again, which I
honestly don't really have a doubt, but I do have
some still gun shy on some things like what we
just talked about. Another one, Charlotte Tiffany we talked about
that last week. That continues to get more awkward the
(28:17):
further we go down the road. I'm ready to get
it and ring and get it over with, if I'm
being honest, because I think the return of Becky Lynch
is inevitable out of all of this, whether Tiffany keeps
the title and whatever happens between, you know, maybe Becky
is the reason that Tiffany keeps that title, or if
Tiffany loses and Charlotte gets it, it inevitably leads to
Becky returning. And I believe anyway at WrestleMania forty one.
(28:41):
So if that is the means to the end, then
so be it. I'm ready for Becky to be back.
She is what makes me interested in Charlotte Flair. If
I'm just being honest is Becky Lynch. So, if you
are not following us on TikTok or Instagram, I would
love to be able to feature your comments and things
(29:02):
that you guys think about what we talk about here
on this podcast. Follow us on those Easy and Fine
wrestle Chat podcast. Get follow there and we'll post more
stuff like that throughout the week. Get your thoughts. You
can chime in there and we'll share them here on
the podcast. Michael, good to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Bet we'll see you back here next week on the
wrestle Chat Podcast
Episode seventy eight, rapidly approaching one hundred of the wrestle
Chat podcast. I'm the ant Man. He's Michael Glavin, and
we are what three weeks away now, three weeks away
from WrestleMania forty one Las Vegas, and they keep adding stuff,
keep adding stuff to all the festive. If you thought
we were busy last year in Philly, man, you you
(00:24):
need some adderall or something a little more less legal
to stay up and do all the things you need
to do in Vegas with everything they have going on,
I saw today that I got a press release. They're
adding something else at Fountain Blue and it is called
WrestleMania after Dark. We're back to the Attitude era. Baby,
(00:49):
That's what it sounds like at a pool party. There's
all different.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
In Vegas, in Vegas after dark in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Which if you've never been to Vegas, it actually never
gets it's fully dark with all the lights that are
going on there, you never truly feel even if you
try to lay down to sleep. Luckily, most of them
have blackout curtains in your room if you ever choose
to sleep in Las Vegas. But I don't imagine many
wrestling fans will be sleeping too much in Las Vegas
coming up on April nineteenth and twentieth. With everything that
(01:18):
is going on, and these are just what we're talking about,
is just stuff going on with WWE, not any of
the other organizations. I know CNA is going to have
a big deal at the William and the UNLV campus
Thomas and Mack. That's the name of the place. It's
a little thing off the Thomas and Mack Center. They're
going to be it running a show there too. Now,
(01:39):
of course they have the affiliation with WWE, so I mean, heck,
Undertaker could show up in DNA that weekend. You never know.
Before we jump into some of the stuff WWE, though,
I want to address something that I actually threw up
on a TikTok this week. It was after Wednesday's episode
of AEW Dynamite. I'll play I'll posted here question for you.
(02:01):
Did you see what happened on AW Dynamite this past Wednesday?
I want to know your thoughts. Is this what wrestling
is in twenty twenty five. I've seen some of you
say this is the alternative, this is what I've been
looking for. I've also seen comments from some of you
(02:22):
as well saying yeah, I'm never watching AEW again. Listen,
I grew up in the era of World Class Championship
Wrestling and UWF. It seems like there was always someone
bleeding every single week. But is a random two by
four with framing nails driven through it and then subsequently
driven through a competitor's back what we're doing for entertainment
now in twenty twenty five. I'd love to know your thoughts.
(02:44):
Chime in here. We'll talk about it next week on
the wrestle Chat podcast or there we're at this coming
week on the wrestle Chat podcast. And so right now
it's happening. Here it is, and some of your comments
are on right now too, so appreciate you guys up
and these end apparently, But I really don't watch AW.
But I saw what happened, and that looked painful. That's
(03:07):
an understatement right there. It definitely looked faint. It looked painful.
I like AEW, but that was a pretty big blunder
on their part, arguably worse than when Matt Hardy hit
his head on the concrete. Two different worlds there, I mean,
I think the the Matt Hardy hitting his head on
the concrete, unintentional landing on a spike two by four intentional. Well,
(03:35):
my screen's too small. I can't read this on it.
It's my old man eyes right here. I love the
violence of wrestling, but sorry, this is too much for
children watching. If it was a pay per view I
might understand, but please remember children try that stuff. Do
you want to receive a phone call of your child
doing that? I don't. I would not please the PG.
Boring crap from WWE doesn't compare. That's from Mega Death.
(04:00):
By the name's Mega Death. I would expect them to
not have an issue with it. Right, let's hear I
loved it alternative. If you don't like it, don't watch
the obvious choice. CJ. Campos, thank you for that comment.
The spot was not worth taking a chance on causing
a real bad injury. We expect them to be athletic,
but not crazy. It's Max, He's crazy, pure garbage. That
(04:26):
is why wrestling gets a bad reputation. It appeals to
the same people who stop at car accidents. Mastadon eighty
five twenty. Thank you, dude. I'm not a fan of it,
but it is an awesome visual. Okay, Broken Gamer this
is too much in my opinion. That was from Travis
(04:48):
Lily thirty two. We have one more here, Yeah, the
Roman Gladiators Live. It's more extreme than ECW. One I
couldn't fit on here was from someone who said, hey,
you forgot to me, Hey you forgot ECW. I didn't
grow up on ECW. That's why I didn't mention ECW.
I just mentioned a couple of places that I that
I did grow up on it. And it was very
(05:10):
violent back in the eighties and even early nineties, with
mainly the eighties and World Class Championship Wrestling and UWF.
I mean there were Bruiser Brodie. It didn't matter what
kind of match it was. It's just a normal match
on a Saturday night. He bled. Now he would be
logical though he would hit. He would hit you know,
(05:32):
a ring post or a chair or something like that.
I don't even think the violence is the issue, at
least it's not in my opinion. I have some thoughts
on this. I know you do too. I'm going to
I'm going to concede to you. Since I posted this,
I'm going to concede to you and let you start
things off. Michael, your thoughts on this spot from Dynamite
(05:53):
last Wednesday night. Well, thank you, sir, got it, So
we're moving on. I'm just kidding god.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, there's so many layers like Rustling at its core
is about the suspension of belief. You can't be a
wrestling fan, and to some extent, even if you're a child,
suspend belief. You know, these two guys that hate each
other come through the same curtain. You know, they're in
(06:27):
the same arena every week. Somehow they don't ever fight
out in the other time any other time, Mondays and Fridays.
You know, whatever you have to it's it's entertainment, but
it still has to be explainable. You know, I don't know,
I'll take you back to back in the maybe the
late nineties. You ever accidentally stumble across Cartoon Network after
(06:51):
like ten pm at night and you just see the
most random stuff that you don't understand and there's no
context to it. That's kind of what that felt like,
because okay, hold on, So first of all, why isn't
there a union at this arena? Do they have OSHA?
(07:12):
Why is there a board with a bunch of nails
in it? Did somebody bring it in was it under
the ring? I don't remember where they grabbed it from.
Why does why is this here to start with? Then? Furthermore,
there have been very few wrestling feuds in all of
history where you legitimately believe that these two people hate
(07:32):
each other enough to want to murder each other. And so, okay,
you do that. I'm not even gonna touch the safety thing.
It's self explanatory. But it's like, then to the point
of the individual from the comment, it's on TV and
you're just throwing this stuff away. So anyway, my overall
(07:56):
point is why it doesn't make any sense on any level.
So I'm gonna wrap that up, put that there, and
then separate from the why point is is just the
simple fact of like I, I think it's because they
don't know what else to do, Like they're not they're
not in the groove on storytelling. These guys seem like
(08:18):
they all have individual creative control. We all know Mox
has an affinity for doing very very violent things in
wrestling matches, and it just feels like there's no control,
there's no story, there's no it's just a free for
all and it doesn't fit. And so I would I
(08:40):
would agree with what another person said. I don't think
it's necessarily the spot itself that bothers me, because I
think there's been places in wrestling history that it could
have worked. So it's not just the spot. I think
it's everything except the spot that it just doesn't make
sense to me. But thank you for coming to my
(09:01):
ted talk. I yield the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It was interesting for a couple of days, and I
frequent busted open quite a bit during the week. Even
if it's not live, I'll catch it after it's been
playing for a couple hours in that channel and you
can actually rewind, which is kind of cool. So I'll
go back to the start, even if I don't start
it until ten or eleven o'clock in the morning. Right,
and so a couple of days this week, Dave Lagreca,
(09:28):
the guys have been talking about it. First, I want
to point out that Bully brought up a point was
he doesn't believe with one. He believes that he was
supposed to land and roll off. It was supposed to
be a spot where he got suplexed on it lands,
it hurts, and he rolls off. That it was never
(09:48):
ever one time expected to stick in John Moxley's back.
I don't agree with that, and I know I'm not
the professional. I know that he is. Just don't see
any other way of doing that, watching the way that
they did it, the way he was positioned. Why didn't
(10:08):
hit him in the legs? Why didn't hit him in
the butt? Because it was purposeful that it hit him
in the back? Cope suplexting close enough that he knew
these Again, these guys are pros. He knows where that's
going to land. What would make anybody think that they
were just supposed to roll off and it not stick?
(10:28):
Do I think it stuck further than they thought? Maybe?
And I'll tell you, man, that is so dang close
to his spine that if anything, I mean you're talking
about millimeters now, it could have penetrated his spine and
been paralyzed. I think some of it is careless and
(10:51):
it feels that way. And if that's the way it's
supposed to feel in great, good job, mission accomplished, because
that's what it felt like to me. Do I feel
like he messed up and he was supposed to roll off? Now?
And also I don't it felt so out of the blue.
Dave was. At one point Dave was screaming about, if
you don't like violence and you don't like blood, turn
it off. This is not what The blood didn't bother me.
(11:14):
The violence didn't bother me. In a longer way of
what you said of why is why this? Why here?
Why on a random Wednesday night? Not the first match
of the night, not the main event of the night.
It was like the third match in Oh, by the way,
these two are going to have a street fight and
the title doesn't change hands. It's just so in order
(11:36):
for you to get to a point where the title
does change hands, what are you doing pushing the guy
off the top of a building? Yeah, is that what
we have to get to in this story? Because just yes,
you have to. You have to suspend that disbelief a
little bit every time you watch wrestling. But some things
you it just makes logical sense when they walk out
and do what they do in the story. Yes, it
(11:58):
doesn't make sense for the Rock to jump from a
building into a helicopter that's hanging out there. We know
that didn't happen, But in the course of the movie
you were like, oh, yeah, that makes sense for him
to jump from here to there or the car and
fasten the furious to jump off and he can, you know,
jump out of one window, run across the top and
back in the other side or whatever. It's like, okay,
that's silly, but it is a movie you think about that.
(12:19):
But here it was like, this is normally a place
where you just go, okay, that was maybe that's a
decent match, or okay, I didn't maybe they're starting a
story here. No, this was a continuation, but they felt
that in the continuation of this story, like you said,
is he gonna he's gonna murder him right with this thing? Yeah,
he's listen, Cope has had that. He calls him Spike.
(12:41):
He has a case for it. When they were in Austin,
he brought the case in and he took it out
of the case, which was it was kind of cool.
Is this looks ravaging? It could kill somebody, right, and
you think, okay, it's the same as Mick Foley and
a barbed wire bat barbie and you see that and
you go, okay, yeah, that's that's gonna be. But it
was always if he had it, somebody's that they were
(13:02):
already bleeding and he had it, he had it positioned
just over their head and look like he's just rubbing
those barbs in their head. Yeah, it probably didn't feel great.
I never once thought he better quit or he's going
to die, right. This was like he hit I don't
know if he's going to be able to stand up again, right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And And what's interesting is at the same time, and
this is this is obviously just an opinion, okay, but
at the same time, as much as we're kind of
dogging on kind of everything we've said about the why
do it portion of it, because they did do it,
(13:40):
I don't know that it was that effective in the
sense in the sense of I can watch I can
go back to elimination chamber, you know, And we've talked
about this in years past about you know, the newer
version of the chamber is a lot safer and things
like that, and even in the new Baby playpen elimination chamber,
(14:01):
even that seemed more brutal and interesting than that spot.
And that should tell you something because that it's not
about the use of props, it's not about the grandiose
of a structure, nails or whatever. It's it's about doing
(14:21):
things for a reason. And there was just no reason
to have that spot. It's just a miss overall.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, I agree. I hope this this conversation continues when
it comes to stuff like exactly what you just said
is that I don't It didn't further the story for me.
It didn't make me go, oh my gosh, I've got
to watch what happens next. Yep with between mocks and
between Cope, I don't have to watch any more of that.
In fact, you're just if you're just gonna surprise me
(14:52):
on some random Wednesday in the middle of a show.
I mean, I'll just record it and if I hear
something happens, go back and watch it. You know, it
doesn't give entice me to move forward with these two.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Not to mention that it's impossible to continue to up
the ante after that. There's no there's no self control
in any of this from a storytelling perspective, which.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I would expect, like I get it from Max, I
do I kind of because it's he's random. I mean,
I expect him to walk out at any time with
a pizza cutter and at some point to go through
a pizza oven. Who knows copelan iks I he's done
some crazy stuff. But it's not his everyday mo o.
It's not what he does all the time. And I
(15:33):
know he only has a little bit of time left.
In that little bit of time, does he want to
have a pair ofplegic on his hands saying yeah, sure,
I'll do that spot with you with Spike. I mean,
I don't know, maybe we've maybe we said enough. I
think we proved or you know, stayed at our points
for both of us. But continue to hear from you
guys as well. If if you liked it, explain why
(15:54):
what did it do for you? That's kind of what
I'm past the point of going. Man, this is you
don't know what you're talking about. You know, this is
way better than that crap on ww why explain?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Why tell me why?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh my gosh, the boy band podcast is back on?
Thank you guys, Ford Awesome, how well you pulled that
out there. Speaking of boy bands, how about John cena
and and Cody Rhodes. They could be a good boy
band maybe After this feuds over the had round number
(16:29):
two of the Battle of the Mics past this past Monday.
Again overseas very nice having a three o'clock start. It
was done before five point thirty, and I was lost
on what to do on Monday night afterwards. Like we
talked about last week, and we've got one more week
of that. It's going to be starting here my time,
two o'clock, three o'clock for you, because it's coming from
(16:50):
London next Monday, and evidently they're doing their daylight Saving
time as well. They're they're doing that this coming week.
So next Monday's raw is going to come to a story.
This is the last raw that John Cena is advertised
for before WrestleMania. This is the last one they say, Yep,
he's gonna be part of it. We don't have another one.
I mean, we still have two more weeks after that
(17:11):
of just no John Cena or we're gonna have the
Rock when God forbid, we have Travis Scott come back.
I personally thought that around number two was not as
effective as it was like a it was like copy
paste but change a few details. Did it feel like
that to you or is it I'm just hanging out
(17:31):
here solo on this island.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm on the other side of the fence. Bro. I
think it got better.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Did you explain why do you tear?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Mean? Why here's why do you remember what my biggest
complaint was last week?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
On which point on those two on.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
John Cena and his elongated promo from last it was
it wasn't the there was a mission or a goal like,
it was just I'm gonna come out here be upset
feelings this, feelings that. But what's the why?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You know? That's just call this hang on. I'm starting
to notice a theme on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know there was you know, uh, because I think
what I did is I referenced why now did John
Cena take advantage of that moment in the chamber? Why
did he feel the need to betray Cody in order
to stick it to the crowd? It didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
This week, I believe that it got better because John
Cena clarified his intentions. You guys have been and I
actually like it. I'm gonna explain why you guys have
relentlessly mocked me. You've taken everything from me. I've given
everything that I have and there's one thing that I remember.
(19:02):
It's that when I had my big moment and I
won titles for the first time, whether it be the
US title, the WWE title, I made it my own
as a symbol of my success. And I did that
for us, but you got spat in my face. You
let me know online how terrible everything was. And so
(19:23):
here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to ruin wrestling
for you. Oh yeah, I'm going to win. And here's
what I liked about this. Oh, let me finish this.
I'm gonna win and I'm gonna take that title home
and it's gonna stay with me.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna retire with it.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I'm gonna retire with it, and you can go make
a new toy for yourselves, because now I'm in this
for me. And what I love about this is that
it's creating a bad guy outside of Cody and Sina.
Cody's just the guy that holds the title. And yes,
Cody's gonna benefit from this, but I actually really like
(20:03):
the fact that John's beef is not with Cody, it's
with the people, and he's going to ruin rustling by
winning the title and taking it home, which I also love.
Hear me out because it's the exact antithesis of the
(20:24):
Summer of Punk and him trying to leave with the
WWE Championship. Does that mean that we get to see
John Cena and see him punk switch places for the
sake of the WWE Championship. Yeah, so much there and
so all of that to say, I think that the
(20:47):
goals were clarified and it made Scena really dig his
heels into that character. He was wearing black, which really fit.
He found his enemy and he found his goal. We
are his enemy because we he's sick of our crap
and his goal is to take the title and take
(21:09):
it from us.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It'll be nice. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
No, I'm here for it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'll be so I'll be excited to see if WWE
can actually connect those dots for those who don't know
and don't get it and don't see it. Can they
Will they go back and pull stuff? Will they pull
shots of him getting those those titles that are spinner belts?
Will he uh, you know, show this feud between johnsona
and the audience in the WE universe with just their
(21:37):
figurehead being Cody Rhodes and that's why he's fighting him. Now,
That's that's great points there, and it actually helps connect
the dots from me because when I saw it, I thought, Okay,
he's gonna come out, He's going to do his deal.
The music going to HiT's gonna be. Cody's gonna come in.
And guess what happened. He came out, he did his deal.
Music hit, Cody came out and did his deal. He
leaves right. I maybe the exchange felt weaker to me.
(21:59):
I didn't really agree.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think momentum wise, I think the story was clarified,
but I think I think the promo was not as
bubbly as maybe as it should have been.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I really expected last week, and I get why they didn't.
But it's the first time you came face to face
with a guy that just beat the living crap out
of you, with Travis Cotton the Rock, and you don't
do anything to him. That feels That felt a little weird,
and to go two weeks felt even more weird. You're
delaying the inevitable. Could you just could you do like
(22:31):
literally talk to him and then just kick him in
the nuts like he did? You? Could you do that?
And yeah, I know that that now, Yes, that's right,
that he is. You're exactly right. We have one more
thing I wanted to catch up on here before we
have to go, and that is a lot of people
online the what IWC is really kind of venting over
(22:54):
the build up for some mashes. Yes, everything feels like
the majority of the momentum is going for Cody and Sena.
Understandable things are starting to pick up with whatever is
happening between Roman, Siam Punk and Drew McIntyre. I'm in
on that. I think there's some story to tell there,
(23:15):
there's some mysteries to unravel in that. It doesn't have
as much attention as Cody and Cody and Sena. After that,
the next biggest one I would have thought would have
been Gunther and Jay, and it feels like that's just
kind of oh, yeah, that's right, we do have a
world title match. I felt like that on Monday, they're like, oh, yeah,
(23:35):
that's right, we do have Gunther. Oh that's right, Jay
is up for that title. And then to have the
confrontation on raw actually, well it happened some of the
ring and Jay slips, which I don't know if it's
on purpose or if it is part of the story.
I mean, it looked like it was another angle, kind
of looked like, oh crap, he lost his footing. But
then the confrontation backstage happened between Jay's brother Jimmy and Gunther.
(24:02):
Is this I see a lot of people say this
and see if you agree here, Michael, is the Gunther
j story starting to feel stale? Did they start it
too soon?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
We talked about this a few weeks ago, Well, a
different version of this. It wasn't this specific t too Yeah. Yeah,
and I'm gonna call back to what I said. It's
that the booking leading into it made no sense. We
did a short program with Jay and Gunther, him getting
that opportunity, then he lost and it learned it. Yeah,
and and then he just turns around and wins the rumble.
(24:34):
I think it was just failures in booking. And I
like Jay. I think he's I think everything about him
is ready for a world title run, but only because
a story it doesn't feel like the right time, Like
if he wins this, it's not gonna feel like something.
And so my overall gripe is I don't know that
(24:58):
it went stale. I I think we've just been a
little apathetic to it from the start, because it's like, Okay,
Jay's lost this three times, Like he's he's lost the
opportunity two or three times.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, well, it started here, and where it started and
where it went to was about here, and that was
really all the story that we have left until we
actually have the match.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, and I mean you could have done anything like
there's you could have had, you know, uh, Gunther go
beat up people that Jay has been in an alliance with.
There are things you could have done to make it
more personal, to feel like something's happening, But it's not.
It's about the title, which is great. I don't have
(25:44):
a problem with that, but it's not interesting. There's no
story here.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
For a while, it was that that Gunther kept jumping
Jay in matches or before matches or right after his intro.
And at this point, I'm kind of like, what if
he had just kept that up, I'm I'd be more
interested than I am right now. There's no where you
can go, Jay, and I won't be there, yep, and
always keeping you from knocking you back down, knocking you
(26:10):
back down off the mountain, knocking you back down off
the mountain. That had it been more.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Interesting, could I zoom out for a second, here's what's
interesting about this WrestleMania season. I'll admit I'm falling into
a little bit of the trap, like ooh, I don't
I don't know if this is shaping up, like I
don't know if it's unraveling the way it needs to.
And it's weird because pretty much for two years now,
(26:39):
I've been on and on and on about how much
better the storytelling is and how much better the product is.
And now we're leading in to the biggest time of
the year with a creative team that has been successfully
long term booking for two years, and things feel flat.
(27:00):
It doesn't feel like that is right. So part of
me wonders if like they just decided to like intentionally
put a short fuse on this mania where all this
huge stuff is going to come together last minute. It
puts all eyes on Vegas and just all of a sudden,
(27:24):
it just feels like the biggest thing happening in all
of the world.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, at least that's what I'm gonna hope.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, I'll tell you, as we mentioned probably in every podcast,
is that they've given us no reason to doubt, and
so they've always tended to pull things together right at
the last minute. Even what has felt like going into
the day of a lackluster pl has ended up being
good if not great pls, And ever since the regime change,
(27:55):
there's always been that kind of optimism leading into whatever
it may be, this being the grandest stage of them all.
See if they can't pull it off again, which I
honestly don't really have a doubt, but I do have
some still gun shy on some things like what we
just talked about. Another one, Charlotte Tiffany we talked about
that last week. That continues to get more awkward the
(28:17):
further we go down the road. I'm ready to get
it and ring and get it over with, if I'm
being honest, because I think the return of Becky Lynch
is inevitable out of all of this, whether Tiffany keeps
the title and whatever happens between, you know, maybe Becky
is the reason that Tiffany keeps that title, or if
Tiffany loses and Charlotte gets it, it inevitably leads to
Becky returning. And I believe anyway at WrestleMania forty one.
(28:41):
So if that is the means to the end, then
so be it. I'm ready for Becky to be back.
She is what makes me interested in Charlotte Flair. If
I'm just being honest is Becky Lynch. So, if you
are not following us on TikTok or Instagram, I would
love to be able to feature your comments and things
(29:02):
that you guys think about what we talk about here
on this podcast. Follow us on those Easy and Fine
wrestle Chat podcast. Get follow there and we'll post more
stuff like that throughout the week. Get your thoughts. You
can chime in there and we'll share them here on
the podcast. Michael, good to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Bet we'll see you back here next week on the
wrestle Chat Podcast
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