July 17, 2025 • 47 mins
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here today. Filthy Tom Lawler is gonna join us as
we get in all of the news. And tonight is
the follow up show to aw's All in pay per View,
their version of WrestleMania. This is their version of the
Raw after WrestleMania. And we have a lot of segments, well,
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we have three segments announced for the show. Two of
them are victory speeches, and then we've got a We've
got a match. This is the first of I believe
six shows. They're doing a Chicago residency, and I want
to talk about that because a lot of people I've
seen a lot online, so I want to address the
Chicago residency, so we'll get into that here today. We
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home show for a TNA pay per view which is
coming up on Sunday. TNA Slamiversary is Sunday, and the
main event is an NXT wrestler defending the TNA title
in the main event of a TNA pay per view
against two TNA wrestlers, so we'll tell you about that.
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title match where someone's ending up with both of the belts,
so that's interesting. And then of course we got all
of the news, including more on Seth Rawlins and Adam
Cole and Roman Reigns and Tony Kahn did a big
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happy about everything involving his retirement match, really finds out
about what's going on with Seth, and then Jelly Roll
and Suri is getting ready to get surgery. A lot
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Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive.
Filthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today. What's going
on Filthy?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Not too much? Packed week as always never ends wrestling
last weekend. Huge week of fight sports for me this weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So oh yeah, what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Dustin Poitier's retirement fight for the BMF title against Max
Holloway UFC three eighteen, Alexander Usik defends the World heavyweight
the undisputed World heavy eight title in boxing against Daniel
du Bois and Manny Paciao also fights Saturday. There's a
big KSWMMA event in Poland, and like I said, just
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keeps going, never ends, which hey, I'm cool with it.
Nagoyo Sumo bas show is going on right now. Turkish
Oil Wrestling three times a week? Can't get enough?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Is there really three times a week for this Turkish
oil wrestling.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Brother there were like fifty Vaspelavan's head wrestlers going at
it today in the ninety five degree heat in Turkey.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Three times a week is as many shows as WWE's running.
Is there like a Ross SmackDown or an NXT of
Turkish Oil Wrestling?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, it's largely the same guys.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Wow, that's a lot of oily wrestling. Well, listen, Tonight
is dynamited as the follow up to the to the
All In Show, and I'm pumped. Hey, it looks like
we got we got a hangman. Page is gonna open
the show with a victory speech. You've got a victory
speech from Tony Storm coming up and then man, this,
(08:05):
I thought for sure this John Moxley was gonna take
some time off, but nope, John Moxley, Claudio, and Wheeler
are gonna be facing Hangman Hobbes and Mark Brisco. So
we're just barreling on through to see what's next. And
they are the first of I believe six shows. It
is a Chicago residency. And you know, I got a
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tweet today which I want to read here because I
don't respond to these on Twitter at least, but I
want to respond to it here because it's kind of funny.
S guy here goes, wonder what WBD shareholders are thinking?
Did they pay a hundred eighty million you see a
wrestling by a studio show producing a ballroom? Imagine if
WWE took the Netflix money and produce shows from the PC.
(08:52):
Gotta be something with this, Okay, So first off, I'm
pretty sure the WBD shareholders are not gravely concern with
where AW is running tonight. And second, do you realize
what like you're a shareholder of some things, aren't you, Tom?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I am okay shareholder in TKO over the tkoh in fact, yeah,
so so like if you're a shareholder in TKO like,
what is your concern where raw runs, or is your
concern about whether or not TKO makes money, because then you,
as a shareholder, make money. My concern is with them
making money. If you're also in this situation, if you're WBD, right,
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your concern is the television ratings and getting advertisements. It's
not necessarily how many people are in that arena. Sure,
it's better to have more people, But if there's two
thousand people and it's packed and it looks great on
TV and it brings in more viewers, more advertisers, that's
better than having, you know, five thousand people in a
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worse atmosphere that doesn't pay off.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Now, I will say that it is. It is. It
is somewhat concerning that they are running a eleven hundred
c building that isn't sold out yet for the first
show after all in, that is mildly concerning. You know,
you should have sold that thing out like instantly. This
is the all in post show. But the actual building
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itself is like, I mean, that's an incredible looking building.
I don't know how anybody could like listen, we saw
when AW was running large buildings and there was nobody there. Okay,
we watched that. Okay, then they started moving to smaller
buildings like cool, unique buildings, and yeah, there's less people
in the buildings, but dude, it looks way better on television.
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The crowds are way better on television. Like, I can't
see how you can see this as a negative other
than well, if you're if you're running an eleven hundred
and seventy seat building, you shouldn't have only eleven hundred
tickets sold like it should be sold out. Other than that,
I see no issue whatsoever with running smaller, cool looking buildings,
packing them and having like a cool react, a cool
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reacting Brian.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I can almost guarantee you one of the talking points
after this show tonight is going to be how awesome
this place looks this Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom. Dude, it
looks like nothing else you see on TV wrestling, any
sporting event really. I mean, we watched guys fight in
Spain and like you know, out in the street and
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like Colisseum area and that's pretty wild, But you don't
see that on WWE. It's the same thing over and over.
It's the same homogenized product, no matter what arena they're in.
It looks the same and aw separating themselves by running
at these cool places is a great idea. I'm telling you.
People are gonna see the show. They're gonna be like,
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we need more venues like this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
All right, Well we've also got Well we'll talk about
NXT later on tonight, which, by the way, also is
in a small building every Tuesday. I've never heard concern
from shareholders about the small building they run NXT in
every week.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No, you would hear concerned, Brian if they were out
on the road and there'd be nobody in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, sure of course that would be that would be
a big concern.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So seth Rawlins guest hosted The Rich Eisen Show this afternoon,
and he had an update on his knee. Are you
ready for this?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He said, I was in Birmingham, Alabama, on Monday, but
there was too much swelling in my knee, and so
in a week or two i'll be reevaluated in Los Angeles.
Hope to have a clearer picture, but I think I'll
be on the shelf for an extended period of time. Okay,
(12:47):
I still I still will go with the idea that
his knee is not great, okay, like he's maybe something
needs to be scoped out whatever, Okay, But I am
now firmly of the opinion still that what happened on
Saturday Night's main event was a work and that they
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essentially lied to everybody and are still lying to people,
and that the whole reason and somebody like yesterday were like, well,
what was even the point of this work? Why was
this even done? What was the point? Well, the point
is because this story is going to be, and literally
he said it here in this interview, the story is
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going to be that because he was injured injured on
Saturday Night's main event, he will be out an extended
period of time, and in fact, he will be back
sooner than everybody expects to do a cash in now,
because I think this has kind of gotten out. I
don't actually think that he's going to cash in its SummerSlam,
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because my presumption is everybody now figures, well, you know,
they're gonna say he's out for a long time, but
he's going to cash in it, Solam. That now seems
too obvious to me. So I'm thinking that the cash
in will be maybe shortly after Summer Slam, and not
on summer slam itself. But we'll see. You know, you
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mentioned Tom that this was the same knee that he
had injured before, right.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, I believe it was the same one when he
remember he came off the top with like a power
bomb attempt on Cain, I believe of all people years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
By the point is like he he explained very much
what happened to him at Saturday Night's the main event.
He he heard his knee buckle and pop and then
he went down. And I mean the point of this
is he is he has legitimately seriously injured his knee before,
so he knows what it feels like, he knows the symptoms,
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he knows the post uh you know, the post injury
swelling and everything. We can confidently talk as if he
injured himself seriously this time. But I think I think
what I can say is because hey, listen, I'm not
I'm not i'm not a doctor, i'm not i'm not analyzing,
I'm not you know, in there looking at his actual
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knee and looking at MRI results or whatever. But I
will say I would bet you dollars to donuts he
cashes in long before nine months to a year I
think that's abundantly clear by what's going on here. I'll
just leave it at that. We're gonna do a break
back in a mom with more news, and then we'll
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do the NXT reports. Observer Live.
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Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Filthy Tom is joining us, and yes, there is no
After Dark Radio today. It's a replay. But as Tom
noted during the break there is there is paranormal news
out there. Dan Rivera, a paranormal investigator, died unexpectedly during
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the Annabelle the Doll tour and I believe that Old
Dom brought this to my attention as well. You saw
this today.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Dom.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's all over the news, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, fifty four year old he's here somewhere, Tom, isn't
there fifty four year old Dan Rivera. Yes, the New
England Paranormal group there. I mean, looks like he was
in good health before this unexpected passing.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So police really found nothing unusual at the scene, I mean,
aside from a guy dying and nothing unusual doll at
the scene. So Annabelle the doll was a doll it
was given to ed Lorraine Warren that was claimed to
be haunted by like a six year old girl, and
so they put it in their little paranormal museum and
then they were like stories that, you know, the doll
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had caused people to bleed and everything like that, and
so they woul end up going on. They were taking
the doll on a tour and the doll allegedly vanished,
but it turned out it was a It hadn't vanished,
it wasn't actually missing.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It was viral marketing.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It was viral marketing. Basically the doll had escaped or whatever.
But now this paranormal investigator on tour with the doll
has died. So now this is I mean, this is
everywhere USA Today, The New York Post, the Today's Show,
news Week, I mean, Eonline, everybody is talking about this story.
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But yeah, haunted dolls. Haunted dolls like one of those things.
You know, you probably will disagree with this, Tom because
you know you're normal, but haunted dolls are one of
those things where like, I don't believe in haunted dolls
at all. However, if there were a haunted doll in
my presence, I would be on my best behavior because
it's like the old saying, like you don't believe it,
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but just in case, you know what I'm saying, just
in case, you know, don't mess with those haunted dolls.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm certainly not going to tempt Anna Belle with putting
my fate in her hands. So keep me away, all right?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
We had back to actual wrestling news.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well can I get it? Can I get in this story?
Because this one's equally as bizarre? What's that to me?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Do not about Connor No?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Last month KFC, one of My Guilty Pleasures, announced that
they had released their bantamweight champion, and today it came
out that the reason why is because, according to mm
A Mania, I believe this is Alex Bouhennon. According to
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video that was obtained, there was a verbal altercation between
Alberto Bloss, who was the champion, and Joel Romero, an
American top team. This argument escalated moved to the parking
lot where Blass allegedly attempted to strike Romero with his car.
After missing him twice, he exited the vehicle retrieved a
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sword from his trunk, excuse me, and struck Romero twice
in the arm in hand, so he dropped him with
his sword. Correct. Romero was hospitalized. He attended all the
court dates, did not test to fy and bloss ultimately
acquitted by a jury on all He.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Was acquitted of sword stabbing.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Ultimately acquitted by a jury on all charges dating back.
It was a jury December twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
My god, when did this allegedly happen?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I believe December twenty twenty four or okay filed They
filed twenty twenty two, so.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Nobody had There were no witnesses, nobody had videos.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Urol Romero fought multiple times in twenty twenty two. He
kept it to himself. Wild what a story?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
How about that? Don't mess with a guy with his sword.
It's it's a more effective weapon than a car.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Oh hey, maybe maybe Yowell had a paint pen.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Tony Kahan was on the Good Karma Wrestling podcast and
he had a couple of things to say. It was
asked about Adam Cole and he said he disagreed with
Adam Cole saying in his all in promo that he
let people down He said if Cole could have been
out there, he would have been. He made the call
early Saturday after the Ring of Honor Supercart of Honor
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show wrapped. It was a hard conversation, but he was
glad Cole was honest with him, even though we are
all sad we don't get to see Adam Cole wrestle
for a while. Hopefully he will be able to return
in some capacity, but definitely he needs time off. After
talking to him, he was asked about all In. He
said it was the best week ever on Amazon Prime
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due to a ten dollars Prime Video credit promotion they ran.
He only has digital buys, which he said were through
the roof, and he expects cable and satellite numbers of
all I actually expect that all In did like a
really good number. I think it probably it may have
even done the best number they've done all year, because
they really did do a good job building it up
as like their WrestleMania. And this will be the end
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of this death writer's Hangman story line. He was asked
about Michael Oku, friend of the show. Michael Oku. He
was on Supercar to Honor against Etchi Sero, and he said,
we will have Michael Oku back very soon, and then
he plugged Forbidden Door in London. Aw's going to be
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in Glasgo, Scotland for the go Home edition of Dynamite Collision,
so he might be part of that as well. And
he also said that he attributed the resurgence, the creative
resurgence in twenty twenty five to taking less of a
quote committee of play callers approach and now he's more
hands on as a play caller. So basically, you know,
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every time there's something that people like or don't like
in AW, I always say the same thing. If you
like it, it's Tony. If you don't like it, it's Tony.
Does a person like Mercedes have some influence or a
Moxley or a Jericho or you know somebody like that, Well, yeah,
of course they have some influence. But at the end
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of the day, if you like it, it's Tony Khan.
If you don't like it, it's not Tony Khan. Now
that's not to say that he is one hundred percent
responsible for everything, because guys approach him with ideas all
the time, and guys will argue his ideas and sometimes
he will say, okay, you know what we'll do it
your way. But still that's his call. So at the
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end of the day, if you like something in AW,
it is Tony, and if you do not like something,
it is also Tony, and then you can go into
semantics from there. But that is that.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Brian. Do you think that this pay per view broke
two hundred thousand?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't think so. No, I would bet. I would bet.
I think normally they're doing in like the one thirty range,
so I could see this one doing one fifty five,
one sixty something like that. I don't I would be
surprised at two hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I mean, all in twenty twenty four did a year
ago did one hundred and seventy thousand?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, it's so we're very different, dude. We're still down.
I mean, even though like there's been a resurgence of AW.
I mean if you look at year over year, I mean,
they're still down a lot, especially in eighteen to forty nine,
eighteen to thirty four. So they may hit one seventy one,
seventy five, but I would still be very surprised by
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two hundred. I'm not gonna say it's impossible, obviously, but
I would be pretty surprised. Goldberg, Uh, he's got some
stuff to say.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, we gotta wait two weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He says, he will have more to say in two weeks,
and Ariel asked if he had signed an NDA that
expired in two weeks, and he responded, yeah, let's just
say that. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Did you see his comments about obviously? So did his
comment about taking the chop from Walter or gun.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm gonna read some right here, he said he was.
He said he was pissed off with many aspects of
his final run. He mentioned not being happy his final
match was on live television rather than a pl where
he could have more control over his time. He said, Ultimately,
to have a little more control over the time and
the space would have been preferred. Let's just put it
that way. But to be given the opportunity on such
a special show with the leaders of the show, to
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be able to go up against the world heavyweight champion
and Gunther again, it was an honor and a privilege
to be given that opportunity. I had to make the
most of it, he said. They cut me off after
freaking twenty seconds with a microphone in my hand. For
God's sake, I have two weeks where I can really
spill the beans and make my feelings known about the
entire rundown, from the inception of the idea to his delivery.
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It was a little lesson to be desired. But again,
not gonna complain as he's complaining, because not many people
get that opportunity. He praised Gunther. He said it was awesome.
I had a good time. I was laughing. I actually
had fun. He said. There were moments in the match
where actually enjoyed myself, and I can't say I've done
that very many times. He said, I would have loved
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for them announce in January, have a build to it,
do something I thought was worthy of my career. But
let's just say they chose to do it with three weeks.
Notice it's part of the meal you get dealt. I
think it's more of the hand you get dealt. But anyway,
he says it was a shame. Let's see if he's
got the thing about the chops. He did say he
laughed about the chops. I think he said that he
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thought they would be harder, and so he.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Laughed and he didn't mean to. He broke character. Yeah,
he apologized for breaking If you watch it's he's in
character the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The thing with chops I think I talked about this
here on the show is you know people are always like,
oh man, I'd love to see Brian against Gunther just
getting chopped, like it's like the worst thing that could
happen to me, or they'll go, who was it. I
feel like somebody just mentioned this the other day. They
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were like, you know, the one thing I just wouldn't
want to take in a match as a chop, like
chops have been built up is this thing that's like
so scary and violent and dangerous and like the worst
thing that can happen to you. And it's like, bro,
I'd take chops like, I mean, dude, they're not that bad.
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I mean, Gunthers are I think, stiffer than most. But
you're just getting chopped. I mean, there's a lot I
wouldn't take before I, you know, say no to chops
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Speaker 1 (31:07):
My connection is a little bit weird here, so if
I disappear, Tom's gonna take over and talk about jelly
roll and NXT. Oh god, hey, No, Dom had a
good question during the break. You want to ask that
question here? Tom?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
All right, Yeah, you talked about there's a lot of
moves you wouldn't take and chops were fine. So I'll
ask both of you. Was there a move that you
both enjoyed taking, whether it was the setup or the
process of doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tom doesn't want to answer because he's a coward.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
No I said I was gonna answer.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You said you weren't gonna answer.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You don't pay attention.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, well, well no could I dropped all right, here's mine. Okay.
I liked any move where I could either take my
own bump or there was no impact. Those are all
great submissions. There's no submission. That's a problem. Backbreaker, the
old shoulder breaker, all that kind of stuff, like there's
no impact. It's all, well, it's all you know, it's easy.
(32:02):
I uh, the move I liked taking that involved an impact.
I loved taking backdrops, but you're taking your own bump.
You know, the guy starts to lift and you push
off him and you I loved taking high backdrops, but
I hated power bombs or Alabama slam or you know,
moves where the other guy has to make sure that
(32:24):
they put you down right and if they don't, you
land poorly. So those were the moves that I hated.
But you know, I didn't mind getting shopped. I didn't
mind getting like clobbered with a forearm in the back.
I didn't mind getting, you know, super kicked by a
guy that knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Or what about the old stump puller?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Actually, dude, god, you're an idiot. Hey. By the way,
remember that match we had where you'd gave me the
stump puller. Yeah, okay, so not one time did I
say I'm not sure about the chops. Not one time.
I didn't even question it. Did question was when you
wanted to give me that what was it, the kudo
driver or whatever. I don't even remember that tombstone thing
(33:08):
that you do. Oh, a Tensen driver, a Tenson drive,
tens on tombstone driver. Yeah, I wasn't so sure about
that one easiest move you could take. Uh yeah, I
was not so sure about that one. But uh but
yeah that stumpler. Guys, go back and watch when Tom
puts me in the stump puller like you are the
worst wrestler. Dude. You sat over me and like you
(33:31):
pulled my stump for this the normal stump poler, And
then I guess you figured, oh, this guy seems flexible,
and so you rolled all the way to her back.
I'm doing the splits in this move. I'm doing the splits.
You almost killed me this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
This guy just accused me of being a bad pro
wrestler because I make fans exactly what they wanted to see. Yeah,
the killing your a poet, go there to see behold
your legs, God in a comfort position.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I want to still frame of that.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, that's stump right off the stump.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I have a still frame of that stump puller and like,
if you watched it, you'd vomit. And what you did
to me in that match.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
God, you want to know Dom, since you asked, I
want to know what moves do you like? What move
do I like? Giving and taking? My favorite? The superplex,
the good old vertical style suplex superplex. I love it.
I love that feeling of floating through the air. You know,
(34:36):
usually I'm wrestling people that aren't you know, they're professionals,
so we could pull it off properly and no one's
getting hurt. There's very few things I enjoy in that
ring more than going up there, having the guy hook
me and then none, we're gonna go on three? You ready,
let's go? Oh? Never so funny alive is is?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Uh? It was probably twenty eighteen or whatever I had
that match with jungle Boy, and he wanted to do
something off the top rope, and I can't remember what
it was, but I'm pretty sure I said, how about
we do a superplex instead? So I don't know if
maybe you want to do like some tombstone or something
that I wasn't sure about, so I was like, let's
just do a superplex instead. So I hadn't had a
(35:21):
lot of matches when I came back for that one,
and and I remember we're like doing the match or whatever,
and then you know, I climb up to the top
rope and he's gonna do the run up the ropes
into the big superplex, and I remember I got to
the top and this dude starts. I mean, he's running
at me fast to run up these ropes and super
(35:43):
kick me. And I briefly had that thought.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
What did I just agree to do? Like it's a
long way down, and dude he runs up and he
grabs me and he lifts me, and I'm way up
in the air, upside down and I'm old and I'm like, oh,
oh my god, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Like I was.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I was sure I was gonna die. And man, we
hit that mat and it was nothing. It was exactly
like you described. It was like it was so much
fun to just float through the air and then I
was expecting doom and it was like, woo, that was it.
It was great. So yeah, Superplex is fun as long
as you land right. Should we talk about NXT hey?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
It was I enjoyed some of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Lance is mad that I flinched when he threw a
superkick at me. Well, yeah, Lance, I mean I didn't
work with Lance storms my entire career. You many guys
kicked me in the face on that move. Of course
I'm gonna flinch, all right. Yeah, this was a There
was one thing. I'll put it this way. The show
(36:52):
was much better than last week. It wasn't like the
best show I've ever seen, but there was one thing
on this show that, like everyone in the world should
probably go back and watch because it was so awesome.
So we got a fatal influence opening segment, No Blake
Monroe and Masha Slamovich comes out and a bunch of
(37:13):
women get in an argument everything. It sets up a
thing for the main event six person for later, and
it was it was fine. Then we had Dark State
against the first half hour this show sucked Dark State
against Trick Williams, Mike Santana, and Joe Hendry. So I
don't know how long they went. It wasn't that long.
(37:34):
But all of a sudden, Trick starts yelling at Joe
and Santana, so they punch him and then they throw
Dark State, all four of them into the ring in
a three on three match. They suddenly realize there's four
of us, and there's two of us and four of them.
(37:55):
But then out comes the System from and we just
have a wild brawl for the DQ. I was like, what,
So that was stupid. It settled absolutely nothing, and it
was a terrible finish. So then we had Kellie Armstrong
(38:16):
who's the Evolved Women's Champion, and Carmen Petrovitch for the
Evolved Women's title. I swear to god, they go thirty
seconds in a title match and Jordan Grace hits the
ring and attacks Kelly for the DQ.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They may have gone a minute because Kellie Armstrong, while
she was in there a very short amount of time,
may have thrown the best punches I've seen in current WWE.
She rifled them off at Carmen Petrovick. I was so
so impressed.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Maybe she just punched her in the face. I mean
there's been a lot of that here in NXT of late.
So then uh, mister Stone Stevie Turner came out and
Blake appeared on the big screen and uh, she said,
next week, Jordan, you're invited to sit front row for
my NXT singles debut. So that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
She said Jordan wasn't fit to hold her slippers.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Cool. What So then we had Team Undertaker backstage and
Trick Williams shows up a trash talk some which leads
to the announcement the next week Undertaker is going to
be on this show to confront Trick Williams. Okay, all right,
And then we had the best thing on the show.
(39:35):
It's Tony D, Luca Crucifino, and Stax.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So to build up to this match, at the top
of the hour, before every commercial break, they had like
recaps of the storyline of Tony D's family. They did
a very good job building this up. The only thing
that was weird is I could have sworn Rizzo said
I'll be there next week, and she was nowhere to
be seen anywhere here on this show. So I hope
(40:02):
that's not bad news for Rizzo. But anyway, they do
this match and it's just like a three way like
it's fine, but dude, the last minute of this match,
it's like so awesome. So you know, Tony's selling doing whatever,
and Stax is getting heat on both these geeks. And
(40:24):
so finally at the end of the show, Stax goes
for his crowbar, Luca stops him, he throws him outsideither
having this brawl or whatever. So Stax gets the crowbar
and he misses a swing on Luca. So as he
misses this swing, Tony d flies in out of nowhere
and he spears stacks all the way through the wall.
(40:48):
Place goes wild. So every time Goldberger whoever does a
spear and puts somebody through a wall, they always sell
it like both guys are dead. So Tony he spears
this guy through the wall. The ringing now like the
announcer like, oh my god, get somebody out here. These
guys are hurt. So like five seconds passes and all
(41:11):
of a sudden, Stax flies out through the hole again
belly first, he's dead. And then Tony boom, he powers
his way through the wall like he's the Shockmaster, but
he doesn't fall down. He was like the kool aid Man, dude,
this place goes wild. So then the kool aid Man
goes over. They're already going wild. He grabs Luca and
(41:32):
he gives him his big choke slam finish. The whole
announced table just explodes. Now the people are going wild.
He grabs Stacks, throws him in the ring, picks him up, Boom,
choke slams. This guy swams him whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
God, this place is going wild. Like it was so
good that I almost thought, is this guy beaten trick
for the title? Because this is what you do to
make guy all of a sudden the top guy in
the entire promotion. I mean, it was the best one
minute of just rampant destruction that I have seen in forever.
(42:11):
And he gets his pin and this place is going wild,
and he leaves and he looks back and he sees
his hat on the ring post, but he walks away
from it. So I think they're like repackaging. Tony d
is like just like the baddest dude in the world,
because that's how he came off at the end of
this segment. It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, sad to see the family go But what a
way to go out? How asome Tony dB and we
haven't seen this type of domination since Roman Reigns was
stacking people.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh yeah, gord Wood and Pin both of them at
the same time. I mean, yeah, this was I mean,
this was so perfectly done.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I was expecting, like after he hit that the one
on Crucifino through the table, I'm expecting like just something
else to happen, and it was like, Nope, this guy
will put a stamp on this. He is throwing these
guys into the ocean with concrete on their feet.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yes, tall, Like if I found out tomorrow, I don't
like to see when get fired, but like if I
found out that, you know, they got rid of Stacks
and they got rid of Luka and like their careers
are done. Awe. It's like I should have seen it
coming with this finish Call Lee. He just what's the term?
(43:31):
Body them?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Mrk them something Call Lee. Then we had some segments backstage.
Ren Sinclair will be uh facing Blake and her debut
next week in Ren's like home state, so that sucks
for her. We had a Josh Briggs deal where you know,
he's turning heel, and they set up a three way
(43:54):
with Obafemi, Josh Briggs and in a murah for the title,
I believe, even next week on television, and then the
main event was Masha Slamovich Soul and Tzaria versus Fatal Influence,
and Masha ended up in the ring with j C.
Jane and pinned her. So this was actually what they
(44:14):
did on the Great American Bash, except they had Mariah
May Blake Monroe, she pinned Jace and like that led
Like I'm still baffled as to why they did that finish,
because you know, Jace retained the title the next night
and Blake turned heel, So it's not even like they're
(44:36):
setting up Blake and JC. So I presume Jace is
winning both titles at Slammiversary, and I don't know where
we go from here with Blake, but we'll find out.
So back in the month with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (45:19):
Back in the show, Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Philthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today, and at
this point it looks like tom I will be here
on Friday. It's tomorrow, I may not be around, oh boy,
so we'll have to make some plans, see what happens.
But tonight I will be back for wrestling Observer Radio
(45:42):
with Dave. We'll have a lot to talk about with
his Dynamite show, and then uh, you know NXT and
all of the news as well, and then Friday will
be back for Fun Friday. So the st Collision.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
What is Collision this week?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Brian?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I think Saturday back to its all time Huh?
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I think so. Does anybody in the chat know when
Collision is this week? It's kind of one of the
problems with Collision is like they're moving it to all
of these different you know this channel at channel, follow this,
follow that, blah blah blah. But at the end of
the day, it's like it's good to try to find
which one does the best. But also like if we're viewers,
like we have no idea when this show is half
(46:22):
the time. Luckily I have YouTube TV and I just
hit that plus button and it records it whenever or wherever.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
So yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And yes, there's no after Dark today, but it is
a There will be a replay up on Sports Byline
and we will be live for next week's show. So
that's the plan. We're week gotta do traveling and doing
my best.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Anything else, Tom, anything you want to plug?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
No, Nope, nothing at all. I hope everybody's having a
good week.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
All right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
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here today. Filthy Tom Lawler is gonna join us as
we get in all of the news. And tonight is
the follow up show to aw's All in pay per View,
their version of WrestleMania. This is their version of the
Raw after WrestleMania. And we have a lot of segments, well,
(01:10):
we have three segments announced for the show. Two of
them are victory speeches, and then we've got a We've
got a match. This is the first of I believe
six shows. They're doing a Chicago residency, and I want
to talk about that because a lot of people I've
seen a lot online, so I want to address the
Chicago residency, so we'll get into that here today. We
(01:33):
also have NXT from last night, which was a go
home show for a TNA pay per view which is
coming up on Sunday. TNA Slamiversary is Sunday, and the
main event is an NXT wrestler defending the TNA title
in the main event of a TNA pay per view
against two TNA wrestlers, so we'll tell you about that.
(01:54):
There's also a NXT versus TNA Women's title versus Women's
title match where someone's ending up with both of the belts,
so that's interesting. And then of course we got all
of the news, including more on Seth Rawlins and Adam
Cole and Roman Reigns and Tony Kahn did a big
(02:16):
interview talking about a lot of different topics. Goldberg not
happy about everything involving his retirement match, really finds out
about what's going on with Seth, and then Jelly Roll
and Suri is getting ready to get surgery. A lot
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Speaker 1 (06:18):
Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Alive.
Filthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today. What's going
on Filthy?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Not too much? Packed week as always never ends wrestling
last weekend. Huge week of fight sports for me this weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So oh yeah, what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Dustin Poitier's retirement fight for the BMF title against Max
Holloway UFC three eighteen, Alexander Usik defends the World heavyweight
the undisputed World heavy eight title in boxing against Daniel
du Bois and Manny Paciao also fights Saturday. There's a
big KSWMMA event in Poland, and like I said, just
(07:06):
keeps going, never ends, which hey, I'm cool with it.
Nagoyo Sumo bas show is going on right now. Turkish
Oil Wrestling three times a week? Can't get enough?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Is there really three times a week for this Turkish
oil wrestling.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Brother there were like fifty Vaspelavan's head wrestlers going at
it today in the ninety five degree heat in Turkey.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Three times a week is as many shows as WWE's running.
Is there like a Ross SmackDown or an NXT of
Turkish Oil Wrestling?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, it's largely the same guys.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Wow, that's a lot of oily wrestling. Well, listen, Tonight
is dynamited as the follow up to the to the
All In Show, and I'm pumped. Hey, it looks like
we got we got a hangman. Page is gonna open
the show with a victory speech. You've got a victory
speech from Tony Storm coming up and then man, this,
(08:05):
I thought for sure this John Moxley was gonna take
some time off, but nope, John Moxley, Claudio, and Wheeler
are gonna be facing Hangman Hobbes and Mark Brisco. So
we're just barreling on through to see what's next. And
they are the first of I believe six shows. It
is a Chicago residency. And you know, I got a
(08:28):
tweet today which I want to read here because I
don't respond to these on Twitter at least, but I
want to respond to it here because it's kind of funny.
S guy here goes, wonder what WBD shareholders are thinking?
Did they pay a hundred eighty million you see a
wrestling by a studio show producing a ballroom? Imagine if
WWE took the Netflix money and produce shows from the PC.
(08:52):
Gotta be something with this, Okay, So first off, I'm
pretty sure the WBD shareholders are not gravely concern with
where AW is running tonight. And second, do you realize
what like you're a shareholder of some things, aren't you, Tom?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I am okay shareholder in TKO over the tkoh in fact, yeah,
so so like if you're a shareholder in TKO like,
what is your concern where raw runs, or is your
concern about whether or not TKO makes money, because then you,
as a shareholder, make money. My concern is with them
making money. If you're also in this situation, if you're WBD, right,
(09:28):
your concern is the television ratings and getting advertisements. It's
not necessarily how many people are in that arena. Sure,
it's better to have more people, But if there's two
thousand people and it's packed and it looks great on
TV and it brings in more viewers, more advertisers, that's
better than having, you know, five thousand people in a
(09:48):
worse atmosphere that doesn't pay off.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Now, I will say that it is. It is. It
is somewhat concerning that they are running a eleven hundred
c building that isn't sold out yet for the first
show after all in, that is mildly concerning. You know,
you should have sold that thing out like instantly. This
is the all in post show. But the actual building
(10:13):
itself is like, I mean, that's an incredible looking building.
I don't know how anybody could like listen, we saw
when AW was running large buildings and there was nobody there. Okay,
we watched that. Okay, then they started moving to smaller
buildings like cool, unique buildings, and yeah, there's less people
in the buildings, but dude, it looks way better on television.
(10:36):
The crowds are way better on television. Like, I can't
see how you can see this as a negative other
than well, if you're if you're running an eleven hundred
and seventy seat building, you shouldn't have only eleven hundred
tickets sold like it should be sold out. Other than that,
I see no issue whatsoever with running smaller, cool looking buildings,
packing them and having like a cool react, a cool
(10:59):
reacting Brian.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I can almost guarantee you one of the talking points
after this show tonight is going to be how awesome
this place looks this Byline Bank Aragon Ballroom. Dude, it
looks like nothing else you see on TV wrestling, any
sporting event really. I mean, we watched guys fight in
Spain and like you know, out in the street and
(11:23):
like Colisseum area and that's pretty wild, But you don't
see that on WWE. It's the same thing over and over.
It's the same homogenized product, no matter what arena they're in.
It looks the same and aw separating themselves by running
at these cool places is a great idea. I'm telling you.
People are gonna see the show. They're gonna be like,
(11:43):
we need more venues like this.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
All right, Well we've also got Well we'll talk about
NXT later on tonight, which, by the way, also is
in a small building every Tuesday. I've never heard concern
from shareholders about the small building they run NXT in
every week.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
No, you would hear concerned, Brian if they were out
on the road and there'd be nobody in the crowd.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, sure of course that would be that would be
a big concern.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So seth Rawlins guest hosted The Rich Eisen Show this afternoon,
and he had an update on his knee. Are you
ready for this?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
He said, I was in Birmingham, Alabama, on Monday, but
there was too much swelling in my knee, and so
in a week or two i'll be reevaluated in Los Angeles.
Hope to have a clearer picture, but I think I'll
be on the shelf for an extended period of time. Okay,
(12:47):
I still I still will go with the idea that
his knee is not great, okay, like he's maybe something
needs to be scoped out whatever, Okay, But I am
now firmly of the opinion still that what happened on
Saturday Night's main event was a work and that they
(13:11):
essentially lied to everybody and are still lying to people,
and that the whole reason and somebody like yesterday were like, well,
what was even the point of this work? Why was
this even done? What was the point? Well, the point
is because this story is going to be, and literally
he said it here in this interview, the story is
(13:32):
going to be that because he was injured injured on
Saturday Night's main event, he will be out an extended
period of time, and in fact, he will be back
sooner than everybody expects to do a cash in now,
because I think this has kind of gotten out. I
don't actually think that he's going to cash in its SummerSlam,
(13:53):
because my presumption is everybody now figures, well, you know,
they're gonna say he's out for a long time, but
he's going to cash in it, Solam. That now seems
too obvious to me. So I'm thinking that the cash
in will be maybe shortly after Summer Slam, and not
on summer slam itself. But we'll see. You know, you
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mentioned Tom that this was the same knee that he
had injured before, right.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, I believe it was the same one when he
remember he came off the top with like a power
bomb attempt on Cain, I believe of all people years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
By the point is like he he explained very much
what happened to him at Saturday Night's the main event.
He he heard his knee buckle and pop and then
he went down. And I mean the point of this
is he is he has legitimately seriously injured his knee before,
so he knows what it feels like, he knows the symptoms,
(14:55):
he knows the post uh you know, the post injury
swelling and everything. We can confidently talk as if he
injured himself seriously this time. But I think I think
what I can say is because hey, listen, I'm not
I'm not i'm not a doctor, i'm not i'm not analyzing,
I'm not you know, in there looking at his actual
(15:16):
knee and looking at MRI results or whatever. But I
will say I would bet you dollars to donuts he
cashes in long before nine months to a year I
think that's abundantly clear by what's going on here. I'll
just leave it at that. We're gonna do a break
back in a mom with more news, and then we'll
(15:38):
do the NXT reports. Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike Sempervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Back of the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Filthy Tom is joining us, and yes, there is no
After Dark Radio today. It's a replay. But as Tom
noted during the break there is there is paranormal news
out there. Dan Rivera, a paranormal investigator, died unexpectedly during
(16:41):
the Annabelle the Doll tour and I believe that Old
Dom brought this to my attention as well. You saw
this today.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Dom.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It's all over the news, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, fifty four year old he's here somewhere, Tom, isn't
there fifty four year old Dan Rivera. Yes, the New
England Paranormal group there. I mean, looks like he was
in good health before this unexpected passing.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So police really found nothing unusual at the scene, I mean,
aside from a guy dying and nothing unusual doll at
the scene. So Annabelle the doll was a doll it
was given to ed Lorraine Warren that was claimed to
be haunted by like a six year old girl, and
so they put it in their little paranormal museum and
then they were like stories that, you know, the doll
(17:31):
had caused people to bleed and everything like that, and
so they woul end up going on. They were taking
the doll on a tour and the doll allegedly vanished,
but it turned out it was a It hadn't vanished,
it wasn't actually missing.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It was viral marketing.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It was viral marketing. Basically the doll had escaped or whatever.
But now this paranormal investigator on tour with the doll
has died. So now this is I mean, this is
everywhere USA Today, The New York Post, the Today's Show,
news Week, I mean, Eonline, everybody is talking about this story.
(18:12):
But yeah, haunted dolls. Haunted dolls like one of those things.
You know, you probably will disagree with this, Tom because
you know you're normal, but haunted dolls are one of
those things where like, I don't believe in haunted dolls
at all. However, if there were a haunted doll in
my presence, I would be on my best behavior because
it's like the old saying, like you don't believe it,
(18:34):
but just in case, you know what I'm saying, just
in case, you know, don't mess with those haunted dolls.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm certainly not going to tempt Anna Belle with putting
my fate in her hands. So keep me away, all right?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
We had back to actual wrestling news.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well can I get it? Can I get in this story?
Because this one's equally as bizarre? What's that to me?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Do not about Connor No?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Last month KFC, one of My Guilty Pleasures, announced that
they had released their bantamweight champion, and today it came
out that the reason why is because, according to mm
A Mania, I believe this is Alex Bouhennon. According to
(19:22):
video that was obtained, there was a verbal altercation between
Alberto Bloss, who was the champion, and Joel Romero, an
American top team. This argument escalated moved to the parking
lot where Blass allegedly attempted to strike Romero with his car.
After missing him twice, he exited the vehicle retrieved a
(19:44):
sword from his trunk, excuse me, and struck Romero twice
in the arm in hand, so he dropped him with
his sword. Correct. Romero was hospitalized. He attended all the
court dates, did not test to fy and bloss ultimately
acquitted by a jury on all He.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Was acquitted of sword stabbing.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Ultimately acquitted by a jury on all charges dating back.
It was a jury December twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
My god, when did this allegedly happen?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I believe December twenty twenty four or okay filed They
filed twenty twenty two, so.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Nobody had There were no witnesses, nobody had videos.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Urol Romero fought multiple times in twenty twenty two. He
kept it to himself. Wild what a story?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
How about that? Don't mess with a guy with his sword.
It's it's a more effective weapon than a car.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Oh hey, maybe maybe Yowell had a paint pen.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Tony Kahan was on the Good Karma Wrestling podcast and
he had a couple of things to say. It was
asked about Adam Cole and he said he disagreed with
Adam Cole saying in his all in promo that he
let people down He said if Cole could have been
out there, he would have been. He made the call
early Saturday after the Ring of Honor Supercart of Honor
(21:11):
show wrapped. It was a hard conversation, but he was
glad Cole was honest with him, even though we are
all sad we don't get to see Adam Cole wrestle
for a while. Hopefully he will be able to return
in some capacity, but definitely he needs time off. After
talking to him, he was asked about all In. He
said it was the best week ever on Amazon Prime
(21:34):
due to a ten dollars Prime Video credit promotion they ran.
He only has digital buys, which he said were through
the roof, and he expects cable and satellite numbers of
all I actually expect that all In did like a
really good number. I think it probably it may have
even done the best number they've done all year, because
they really did do a good job building it up
as like their WrestleMania. And this will be the end
(21:58):
of this death writer's Hangman story line. He was asked
about Michael Oku, friend of the show. Michael Oku. He
was on Supercar to Honor against Etchi Sero, and he said,
we will have Michael Oku back very soon, and then
he plugged Forbidden Door in London. Aw's going to be
(22:18):
in Glasgo, Scotland for the go Home edition of Dynamite Collision,
so he might be part of that as well. And
he also said that he attributed the resurgence, the creative
resurgence in twenty twenty five to taking less of a
quote committee of play callers approach and now he's more
hands on as a play caller. So basically, you know,
(22:42):
every time there's something that people like or don't like
in AW, I always say the same thing. If you
like it, it's Tony. If you don't like it, it's Tony.
Does a person like Mercedes have some influence or a
Moxley or a Jericho or you know somebody like that, Well, yeah,
of course they have some influence. But at the end
(23:03):
of the day, if you like it, it's Tony Khan.
If you don't like it, it's not Tony Khan. Now
that's not to say that he is one hundred percent
responsible for everything, because guys approach him with ideas all
the time, and guys will argue his ideas and sometimes
he will say, okay, you know what we'll do it
your way. But still that's his call. So at the
(23:27):
end of the day, if you like something in AW,
it is Tony, and if you do not like something,
it is also Tony, and then you can go into
semantics from there. But that is that.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Brian. Do you think that this pay per view broke
two hundred thousand?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't think so. No, I would bet. I would bet.
I think normally they're doing in like the one thirty range,
so I could see this one doing one fifty five,
one sixty something like that. I don't I would be
surprised at two hundred.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I mean, all in twenty twenty four did a year
ago did one hundred and seventy thousand?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, it's so we're very different, dude. We're still down.
I mean, even though like there's been a resurgence of AW.
I mean if you look at year over year, I mean,
they're still down a lot, especially in eighteen to forty nine,
eighteen to thirty four. So they may hit one seventy one,
seventy five, but I would still be very surprised by
(24:26):
two hundred. I'm not gonna say it's impossible, obviously, but
I would be pretty surprised. Goldberg, Uh, he's got some
stuff to say.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Well, we gotta wait two weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
He says, he will have more to say in two weeks,
and Ariel asked if he had signed an NDA that
expired in two weeks, and he responded, yeah, let's just
say that. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Did you see his comments about obviously? So did his
comment about taking the chop from Walter or gun.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I'm gonna read some right here, he said he was.
He said he was pissed off with many aspects of
his final run. He mentioned not being happy his final
match was on live television rather than a pl where
he could have more control over his time. He said, Ultimately,
to have a little more control over the time and
the space would have been preferred. Let's just put it
that way. But to be given the opportunity on such
a special show with the leaders of the show, to
(25:26):
be able to go up against the world heavyweight champion
and Gunther again, it was an honor and a privilege
to be given that opportunity. I had to make the
most of it, he said. They cut me off after
freaking twenty seconds with a microphone in my hand. For
God's sake, I have two weeks where I can really
spill the beans and make my feelings known about the
entire rundown, from the inception of the idea to his delivery.
(25:48):
It was a little lesson to be desired. But again,
not gonna complain as he's complaining, because not many people
get that opportunity. He praised Gunther. He said it was awesome.
I had a good time. I was laughing. I actually
had fun. He said. There were moments in the match
where actually enjoyed myself, and I can't say I've done
that very many times. He said, I would have loved
(26:11):
for them announce in January, have a build to it,
do something I thought was worthy of my career. But
let's just say they chose to do it with three weeks.
Notice it's part of the meal you get dealt. I
think it's more of the hand you get dealt. But anyway,
he says it was a shame. Let's see if he's
got the thing about the chops. He did say he
laughed about the chops. I think he said that he
(26:33):
thought they would be harder, and so he.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Laughed and he didn't mean to. He broke character. Yeah,
he apologized for breaking If you watch it's he's in
character the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
The thing with chops I think I talked about this
here on the show is you know people are always like,
oh man, I'd love to see Brian against Gunther just
getting chopped, like it's like the worst thing that could
happen to me, or they'll go, who was it. I
feel like somebody just mentioned this the other day. They
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were like, you know, the one thing I just wouldn't
want to take in a match as a chop, like
chops have been built up is this thing that's like
so scary and violent and dangerous and like the worst
thing that can happen to you. And it's like, bro,
I'd take chops like, I mean, dude, they're not that bad.
(27:29):
I mean, Gunthers are I think, stiffer than most. But
you're just getting chopped. I mean, there's a lot I
wouldn't take before I, you know, say no to chops
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Speaker 1 (31:07):
My connection is a little bit weird here, so if
I disappear, Tom's gonna take over and talk about jelly
roll and NXT. Oh god, hey, No, Dom had a
good question during the break. You want to ask that
question here? Tom?
Speaker 8 (31:19):
All right, Yeah, you talked about there's a lot of
moves you wouldn't take and chops were fine. So I'll
ask both of you. Was there a move that you
both enjoyed taking, whether it was the setup or the
process of doing it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tom doesn't want to answer because he's a coward.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
No I said I was gonna answer.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You said you weren't gonna answer.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You don't pay attention.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, well, well no could I dropped all right, here's mine. Okay.
I liked any move where I could either take my
own bump or there was no impact. Those are all
great submissions. There's no submission. That's a problem. Backbreaker, the
old shoulder breaker, all that kind of stuff, like there's
no impact. It's all, well, it's all you know, it's easy.
(32:02):
I uh, the move I liked taking that involved an impact.
I loved taking backdrops, but you're taking your own bump.
You know, the guy starts to lift and you push
off him and you I loved taking high backdrops, but
I hated power bombs or Alabama slam or you know,
moves where the other guy has to make sure that
(32:24):
they put you down right and if they don't, you
land poorly. So those were the moves that I hated.
But you know, I didn't mind getting shopped. I didn't
mind getting like clobbered with a forearm in the back.
I didn't mind getting, you know, super kicked by a
guy that knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Or what about the old stump puller?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Actually, dude, god, you're an idiot. Hey. By the way,
remember that match we had where you'd gave me the
stump puller. Yeah, okay, so not one time did I
say I'm not sure about the chops. Not one time.
I didn't even question it. Did question was when you
wanted to give me that what was it, the kudo
driver or whatever. I don't even remember that tombstone thing
(33:08):
that you do. Oh, a Tensen driver, a Tenson drive,
tens on tombstone driver. Yeah, I wasn't so sure about
that one easiest move you could take. Uh yeah, I
was not so sure about that one. But uh but
yeah that stumpler. Guys, go back and watch when Tom
puts me in the stump puller like you are the
worst wrestler. Dude. You sat over me and like you
(33:31):
pulled my stump for this the normal stump poler, And
then I guess you figured, oh, this guy seems flexible,
and so you rolled all the way to her back.
I'm doing the splits in this move. I'm doing the splits.
You almost killed me this guy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
This guy just accused me of being a bad pro
wrestler because I make fans exactly what they wanted to see. Yeah,
the killing your a poet, go there to see behold
your legs, God in a comfort position.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I want to still frame of that.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, that's stump right off the stump.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I have a still frame of that stump puller and like,
if you watched it, you'd vomit. And what you did
to me in that match.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
God, you want to know Dom, since you asked, I
want to know what moves do you like? What move
do I like? Giving and taking? My favorite? The superplex,
the good old vertical style suplex superplex. I love it.
I love that feeling of floating through the air. You know,
(34:36):
usually I'm wrestling people that aren't you know, they're professionals,
so we could pull it off properly and no one's
getting hurt. There's very few things I enjoy in that
ring more than going up there, having the guy hook
me and then none, we're gonna go on three? You ready,
let's go? Oh? Never so funny alive is is?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Uh? It was probably twenty eighteen or whatever I had
that match with jungle Boy, and he wanted to do
something off the top rope, and I can't remember what
it was, but I'm pretty sure I said, how about
we do a superplex instead? So I don't know if
maybe you want to do like some tombstone or something
that I wasn't sure about, so I was like, let's
just do a superplex instead. So I hadn't had a
(35:21):
lot of matches when I came back for that one,
and and I remember we're like doing the match or whatever,
and then you know, I climb up to the top
rope and he's gonna do the run up the ropes
into the big superplex, and I remember I got to
the top and this dude starts. I mean, he's running
at me fast to run up these ropes and super
(35:43):
kick me. And I briefly had that thought.
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
What did I just agree to do? Like it's a
long way down, and dude he runs up and he
grabs me and he lifts me, and I'm way up
in the air, upside down and I'm old and I'm like, oh,
oh my god, I'm just.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Like I was.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I was sure I was gonna die. And man, we
hit that mat and it was nothing. It was exactly
like you described. It was like it was so much
fun to just float through the air and then I
was expecting doom and it was like, woo, that was it.
It was great. So yeah, Superplex is fun as long
as you land right. Should we talk about NXT hey?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
It was I enjoyed some of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Lance is mad that I flinched when he threw a
superkick at me. Well, yeah, Lance, I mean I didn't
work with Lance storms my entire career. You many guys
kicked me in the face on that move. Of course
I'm gonna flinch, all right. Yeah, this was a There
was one thing. I'll put it this way. The show
(36:52):
was much better than last week. It wasn't like the
best show I've ever seen, but there was one thing
on this show that, like everyone in the world should
probably go back and watch because it was so awesome.
So we got a fatal influence opening segment, No Blake
Monroe and Masha Slamovich comes out and a bunch of
(37:13):
women get in an argument everything. It sets up a
thing for the main event six person for later, and
it was it was fine. Then we had Dark State
against the first half hour this show sucked Dark State
against Trick Williams, Mike Santana, and Joe Hendry. So I
don't know how long they went. It wasn't that long.
(37:34):
But all of a sudden, Trick starts yelling at Joe
and Santana, so they punch him and then they throw
Dark State, all four of them into the ring in
a three on three match. They suddenly realize there's four
of us, and there's two of us and four of them.
(37:55):
But then out comes the System from and we just
have a wild brawl for the DQ. I was like, what,
So that was stupid. It settled absolutely nothing, and it
was a terrible finish. So then we had Kellie Armstrong
(38:16):
who's the Evolved Women's Champion, and Carmen Petrovitch for the
Evolved Women's title. I swear to god, they go thirty
seconds in a title match and Jordan Grace hits the
ring and attacks Kelly for the DQ.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They may have gone a minute because Kellie Armstrong, while
she was in there a very short amount of time,
may have thrown the best punches I've seen in current WWE.
She rifled them off at Carmen Petrovick. I was so
so impressed.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Maybe she just punched her in the face. I mean
there's been a lot of that here in NXT of late.
So then uh, mister Stone Stevie Turner came out and
Blake appeared on the big screen and uh, she said,
next week, Jordan, you're invited to sit front row for
my NXT singles debut. So that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
She said Jordan wasn't fit to hold her slippers.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Cool. What So then we had Team Undertaker backstage and
Trick Williams shows up a trash talk some which leads
to the announcement the next week Undertaker is going to
be on this show to confront Trick Williams. Okay, all right,
And then we had the best thing on the show.
(39:35):
It's Tony D, Luca Crucifino, and Stax.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So to build up to this match, at the top
of the hour, before every commercial break, they had like
recaps of the storyline of Tony D's family. They did
a very good job building this up. The only thing
that was weird is I could have sworn Rizzo said
I'll be there next week, and she was nowhere to
be seen anywhere here on this show. So I hope
(40:02):
that's not bad news for Rizzo. But anyway, they do
this match and it's just like a three way like
it's fine, but dude, the last minute of this match,
it's like so awesome. So you know, Tony's selling doing whatever,
and Stax is getting heat on both these geeks. And
(40:24):
so finally at the end of the show, Stax goes
for his crowbar, Luca stops him, he throws him outsideither
having this brawl or whatever. So Stax gets the crowbar
and he misses a swing on Luca. So as he
misses this swing, Tony d flies in out of nowhere
and he spears stacks all the way through the wall.
(40:48):
Place goes wild. So every time Goldberger whoever does a
spear and puts somebody through a wall, they always sell
it like both guys are dead. So Tony he spears
this guy through the wall. The ringing now like the
announcer like, oh my god, get somebody out here. These
guys are hurt. So like five seconds passes and all
(41:11):
of a sudden, Stax flies out through the hole again
belly first, he's dead. And then Tony boom, he powers
his way through the wall like he's the Shockmaster, but
he doesn't fall down. He was like the kool aid Man, dude,
this place goes wild. So then the kool aid Man
goes over. They're already going wild. He grabs Luca and
(41:32):
he gives him his big choke slam finish. The whole
announced table just explodes. Now the people are going wild.
He grabs Stacks, throws him in the ring, picks him up, Boom,
choke slams. This guy swams him whatever.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I was like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
God, this place is going wild. Like it was so
good that I almost thought, is this guy beaten trick
for the title? Because this is what you do to
make guy all of a sudden the top guy in
the entire promotion. I mean, it was the best one
minute of just rampant destruction that I have seen in forever.
(42:11):
And he gets his pin and this place is going wild,
and he leaves and he looks back and he sees
his hat on the ring post, but he walks away
from it. So I think they're like repackaging. Tony d
is like just like the baddest dude in the world,
because that's how he came off at the end of
this segment. It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, sad to see the family go But what a
way to go out? How asome Tony dB and we
haven't seen this type of domination since Roman Reigns was
stacking people.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh yeah, gord Wood and Pin both of them at
the same time. I mean, yeah, this was I mean,
this was so perfectly done.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I was expecting, like after he hit that the one
on Crucifino through the table, I'm expecting like just something
else to happen, and it was like, Nope, this guy
will put a stamp on this. He is throwing these
guys into the ocean with concrete on their feet.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yes, tall, Like if I found out tomorrow, I don't
like to see when get fired, but like if I
found out that, you know, they got rid of Stacks
and they got rid of Luka and like their careers
are done. Awe. It's like I should have seen it
coming with this finish Call Lee. He just what's the term?
(43:31):
Body them?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Mrk them something Call Lee. Then we had some segments backstage.
Ren Sinclair will be uh facing Blake and her debut
next week in Ren's like home state, so that sucks
for her. We had a Josh Briggs deal where you know,
he's turning heel, and they set up a three way
(43:54):
with Obafemi, Josh Briggs and in a murah for the title,
I believe, even next week on television, and then the
main event was Masha Slamovich Soul and Tzaria versus Fatal Influence,
and Masha ended up in the ring with j C.
Jane and pinned her. So this was actually what they
(44:14):
did on the Great American Bash, except they had Mariah
May Blake Monroe, she pinned Jace and like that led
Like I'm still baffled as to why they did that finish,
because you know, Jace retained the title the next night
and Blake turned heel, So it's not even like they're
(44:36):
setting up Blake and JC. So I presume Jace is
winning both titles at Slammiversary, and I don't know where
we go from here with Blake, but we'll find out.
So back in the month with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Back in the show, Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Philthy Tom Lawler is joining us here today, and at
this point it looks like tom I will be here
on Friday. It's tomorrow, I may not be around, oh boy,
so we'll have to make some plans, see what happens.
But tonight I will be back for wrestling Observer Radio
(45:42):
with Dave. We'll have a lot to talk about with
his Dynamite show, and then uh, you know NXT and
all of the news as well, and then Friday will
be back for Fun Friday. So the st Collision.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
What is Collision this week?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Brian?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
I think Saturday back to its all time Huh?
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I think so. Does anybody in the chat know when
Collision is this week? It's kind of one of the
problems with Collision is like they're moving it to all
of these different you know this channel at channel, follow this,
follow that, blah blah blah. But at the end of
the day, it's like it's good to try to find
which one does the best. But also like if we're viewers,
like we have no idea when this show is half
(46:22):
the time. Luckily I have YouTube TV and I just
hit that plus button and it records it whenever or wherever.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
So yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And yes, there's no after Dark today, but it is
a There will be a replay up on Sports Byline
and we will be live for next week's show. So
that's the plan. We're week gotta do traveling and doing
my best.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Anything else, Tom, anything you want to plug?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
No, Nope, nothing at all. I hope everybody's having a
good week.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
All right.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, thanks for listening everybody. We'll see you next time
Wrestling Observer Live. You have been listening to the Wrestling
(47:51):
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