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Let's get going, got a lot to talk about, so
he Stark has said thank you to fans for their
love and support. She said it means more to her
than they'll ever know. What hurts more than my knee,
she says, is knowing I won't be able to perform
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for all of you for a while. I love what
I do and I'm blessed to do this. As the
saying goes, the comeback is greater than the setback. Love you, guys.
So there's no official word on her knee, but the
fact that she says she will not be performing for
a while, well obviously something went badly wrong. I don't
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know if that means torn acl I don't know if
that means she tore everything, but it does appear she's
going to be out of action for quite a while.
So all the best to her, and maybe we'll get
an update, maybe we won't sting With wrestling nowadays, you know,
sometimes they'll tell us what's going on, and sometimes they don't.
So all the best to her. Now some big news
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and we actually don't know the extent of this yet,
but we will very soon. WWE, as reported by brnan Thurst,
obtained he obtained a statement from the Greater New Orleans
Sport Foundation that claims the city will be hosting WrestleMania
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not next year, but in a quote later unspecified year.
So this is a really big story because you know,
they announced WrestleMania New Orleans, and not only do they
announce a WrestleMania in New Orleans, but you know, a
(08:00):
lot of the independent groups. I mean, you know, tickets
or hotels were purchased and buildings were rented, and you know,
this is more than just WWE, you know, canceling WrestleMania
New Orleans. I mean, this is gonna have a huge
effect on all of the other promotions that had already
made plans to run New Orleans over WrestleMania weekend. So
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obviously the deal here is they're getting a better deal
somewhere else, and there are three places that are being
rumored as of today, and well, of course they can
just cancel their plans, but I mean I'm talking like
you know, it depends on what the deal they made
with particular buildings. I mean, can they get the entire
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deposit back and they not. It's one thing with hotels,
but it might be something different with renting out buildings
and everything that goes into putting together a series of
shows over WrestleMania weekend. So anyway, the three rumored locations
for WrestleMania next year are now London, Mexico and Saudi Arabia.
(09:15):
So I see a lot of people in the chat
are presuming it's gonna be Saudi Arabia. The thing with
Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia is getting the Royal Rumble, and
I suppose they could also change the Royal rumble. You know,
let's been do the Royal Rumble somewhere else and then
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do WrestleMania in Saudi. But I mean, if you ask me,
my gut tells me that Saudi is the least likely
of the three possibilities. I think, very good chance. London.
It's been talked about for a long time. Obviously, you know,
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as soon as aw did a and crowd in Wembley,
you knew that we was going to want to go
in and you know, break that record. And the other option,
which I think especially because the whole situation with the
purchase of Triple A, and it's more than just wanting
(10:19):
a presence in Mexico. They obviously want a big presence
in Mexico, but also they want to be number one
in Mexico. They want to beat CMLL. I mean, as
tech stadium for WrestleMania, I don't think is out of
the question. So I presume we're going to find out
fairly soon where WrestleMania is going to be next year,
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but it is not going to be in New Orleans.
And you know, whether it's in London or whether it's
in Mexico. I mean, there's a reason for this, and
that is either we're going after a w or we're
going after CMLL. So we'll find out who's top of
the list for this coming year. So that's the update
(11:02):
on that. If you if you made plans for New Orleans, well,
I mean you can still go to New Orleans. It's fun,
but you ain't gonna see WrestleMania there. All right. We've
also got to talk some ratings notes. I know people
don't like to talk about ratings, but I'll make it quick.
First off, at XT six hundred and ninety seven thousand
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viewers and a point thirteen, so viewership was up and
eighteen to forty nine was down. So just basically more
old people were watching the show. Nothing really to talk about.
There is what is notable here is Raw. So here's
the thing. And this applies to a WWE and AW,
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it applies to Raw, and it applies to Max. We
don't have any idea how these shows are doing. Okay,
Max doesn't give any information at all, and you know,
allegedly Tony a AW they can't even get any information
about how many people are watching on Max other than
(12:06):
it's doing well whatever that means. And you know, with
Raw on Netflix, Netflix announces numbers and then everybody tries
to do math to find out, well, how many people
were were actually watching. So according to Netflix, the April twelfth,
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Raw did five point one million viewing hours and two
point seven million global viewers. So this would mean, uh,
RAW did one point one five six million viewers over
seven days and like the same day viewership of Raw
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would allegedly be nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Okay,
nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Now I talked
about this a little bit yesterday. I don't buy this
at all. I don't think there's any way that only
nine hundred and eighty thousand people are watching Raw on
Monday nights. I don't know. Like with Nielsen, the way
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they get the viewership as well. You know, there's this
number of households. In each household, there's X number of viewers.
I don't know if maybe Netflix just says if it's
on in the house, it's one viewer. I mean, people
are are gonna go nuts in the chat, but this
is this is reality, everybody, Okay, we know that a
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percentage of the AW viewership is watching on Max. I
know people like to say it's there's nobody watching whatever,
but there are Okay. I've always estimated between one hundred
and fifty and two hundred and fifty thousand people are
watching on Max. I don't think it's a half million
people watching on Max. I don't think it's a million people.
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I think on a good week it's probably near two fifty.
On a bad week, it's maybe closer to one fifty.
But we're talking like between one hundred and fifty and
two hundred and fifty thousand people. And people can deny
it all they want. But like every time we talk
about it on the chat, you know, on the YouTube chat,
you can ask anybody, lots of people are watching on Max.
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I quit watching, Like I only watch on Max all
the shows. I don't think it's crazy that two hundred
and fifty thousand people are watching AW on Max. But
what is what? I find it hard to believe that
if you add in TBS and TNT the viewership of
Dynamite Collision, especially Dynamite, and you add in the Max viewership,
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what this would be saying is that Raw and Dynamite
are basically neck and neck. And I can't buy that
just from looking at what are these shows drawing to
the buildings, How many people are showing up for the shows?
You know, what are they drawing for television? What are
they drawing when they go on the road. You know,
how are they doing in terms of big shows? How
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are they doing in terms like every aspect of business.
I cannot believe that Raw on Monday Night and Dynamite
on Wednesday are essentially doing the same viewership. Maybe that's
the case, but I think something is really weird with
these Netflix numbers. I can't buy that Raw on Monday,
two weeks ago, did nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers.
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It doesn't make any sense, but that's that's allegedly the number.
So you know, it was easy in the old days
when everybody like, whatever you think about Nielsen ratings, whether
you think they're accutate or not, at least like they
were all Nielsen ratings, So whether they were accutate or not,
they were all you can compare them all. Now when
we've got Netflix has this wacky number and whatever you
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know Max has who knows? I mean, we don't know.
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You know, Tony Kahn's doing a media call right now.
You know he just said he said Max is still
building pay per view capability. I remember I said that
like six eight months ago, and we had these fellas,
one in particular, who said, you're wrong. They could do
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pay per view if they wanted, they should hire me.
I could have it set up and actually said that
if they hired me, I'd have it set up immediately. Well,
they're still building it, so whatever, all right, we got
to talk about this this Dynamite show. It was It
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was a very good go home show for the show
this weekend, and we still have Collision coming up tonight.
So we had a Hangman Will Osprey face to face,
which I thought was excellent. Two baby faces. They both
really want the title for their own reasons. They both
there was no physicality, nothing, They just both stated their case.
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And to be honest, I mean, I don't think they're
gonna do a turn or anything like that. But of
the two, you know, Osprey was the one that kind
of had the edge there at the end of the
heel edge and he said that he was going to
he was gonna take out hang Man. What are you
gonna do about it? Wrap a chair around my skull?
Beat me so bad I have to retire, like Chris Daniels.
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Hangman was very upset about that, and they ended up
drinking together and it was excellent. Like if you want
to see a great go home section for a match,
this is it. And when it was over, I mean,
will Osprey is asked for the main event slot at
(18:08):
the pay per view. It definitely feels like the most
important match on the show because it does seem like
the winner of this match is going to all in
and winning that title from John Moxley. Seems like a very,
very very important match. But man, I'm not sure about
following that anarchy in an arena. I just don't know
(18:29):
if I'd do that, but that's what he wanted. Then
we had Moxley and the Young Bucks versus Joe, Swerve
and Hobbs party match. Excellent match, great heat. The finish
was Joe choking out Nick pin Matt Clean with a cradle,
which was revenge for I think about a week ago
(18:49):
when Matt pinned him with a small package. And then
the Death Writers came out and we had Shabbada, Marina Willow,
Kenny oh Omega, everybody running wild and it was kind
of amazing because like they did a challenge afterwards with
Joe say, we're gonna beat you guys up tonight. Why
(19:10):
wait for Sunday. But I will say, you know, at
this point in the show, we still didn't know who
was in the anarchy in the arena match, and honestly, honestly,
right now, we still don't really know. They've announced a match,
and it was Simojo, Shabata, Swerve, Hobbes, Omega and Willow
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against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Young Bucks and Marina so six
on six, but they announced this before they did the
main event segment, which saw the return of Gabe Kid
to uneven the odds in favor of the Heels and
so like. Officially at this point it's six on six.
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I think it's gonna be seven on seven and Gabe
Kid will be added and probably the return of Eddie
Kingston on the Babyface side, but again we don't know.
We shall I guess find out on Sunday or maybe tomorrow,
but probably Sunday. We had the Hurt Syndicate segment and
(20:16):
the MVP MJF contract signing, and this was kind of
one of those things, you know, we had a guy
call say, you know what what what names some storylines
that were like really really great, but the payoff was
kind of whatever. And granted this wasn't the full payoff,
because I'm sure there's more to come. But last week
MJF was accepted into the Hurt Syndicate, but they said
(20:40):
next week you must sign the contract, and so I
think myself and everybody on the planet figured, Okay, well
something's going down next week ain't gonna be good for MJF.
But instead, what they did is MJF signed the contract,
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the other guys signed the contract, and then Dustin Rhodes
and Sammy just came out and cut a promo for
the tag match. There was no angle, there was no surprise, nothing.
They just I don't even know why we needed to
extend it another week after they accepted him last week.
(21:22):
So it felt like, well, maybe there was gonna be
something that happened, but so many people were figuring it
out that they just shifted and they'll do the turn later.
But man, it was weird. I mean, this was a
weird one. So then we had Rikoshet and Anthony Bowens
and you know, Bones came out kind of had the
(21:44):
booboo face, got beat when Billy Gunn did something stupid
for reasons unknown, and Ricochet jabbed him with the scissors,
pinned him, and then Bones was out of there and
they did an angle with Mark Briscoe and Ricochet, and
I mean, you know they do they do wins and
losses and everything, and you know, they don't do a
lot of screw job finishes. But man, they this felt
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This felt like when you used to watch WE and
you know a guy would get a push for three
weeks and then you know Vince would give up on him.
That's what this felt like here. So we'll see what
the future is for Anthony Bowens. We had Renee interviewing
Mercedes and Jamie. I thought it was pretty good, not
nearly as good as the segment with will Ospray and
hang Man, but it was fine and ended up with
(22:31):
a brawl unlike the opening segment, and Jamie later out
with eight or eight. So the way they pretty much
everybody books, I think it's pretty clear we're getting Mercedes
and Tony at all in and the main event. It's
gonna be a very interesting to look at the quarters here,
because yes, I realized that Joe said, you know this,
(22:55):
this anarchy in the arena is going to start tonight,
but he said that like an hour and a half earlier,
and even though I saw it an hour and a
half later, there'd been no mention of it. And I
watched Mina Shirakaw and Julia Hart and I thought, Wow,
this is the main event. This is it. I would
not have done this for a main event. So I
mean it was fine. Mina Shirakaw was awesome. Julia hard
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could very much do with a tour of Japan, do
a bunch of indie dates. I mean, she is one
of many in aw that you know, they're basically where
they were five years ago, and it's just not enough reps.
You can't improve doing a show a month or less,
especially if you've been injured. So it was just a
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huge gulf in like the ability of these two women.
Mina was incredible and she won obviously, and then Julie went. Afterwards,
sky Blue hit the ring, Tony Storm hit the ring,
had a big brawl, and then like I thought that
was good. You know, they did the face to face
with will Ospray and hang Man. They didn't any physicality,
and I don't think this one needed any either, But
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Mina attacked Tony put her in the figure four around
the post. Tony sold it big, and this one to
me felt like I don't think we needed this one.
I think it was just fine to do the match,
do the angle. Plus there's gonna be a bunch of
as we found out afterwards, physicality afterwards with the Anarchy
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and the arena crew. So the Bucks go to leave,
Matt in a cocky manner, says this, Joe said he
was gonna attack us before we left, but we're leaving
and he did an attack us, so he is a
pathological liar. And he winks and goes to leave, and
of course here comes Joe and we have the wild brawl,
and you know, the Babyfaces are are doing well. But
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then Gabe Kid shows up and they did the record
scratch with the music they had playing, and the Heels
took over Omegan Swerve got put through tables by the
Bucks and the Heels stood a tall. So we'll see
what they do on Sunday. I mean, you know, the
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Death Writers lost the Trios titles. That was the first
crack in the armor. But I think that maybe the
best course of action is for Moxley to get the
pin in Anarchy in the arena because he should be
very strong going into the championship match against the Swerve
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Hangman or the Hangman and Osprey winner at the pay
per view. So I think that I think that he
should get the win in that match, and then whoever
ends up winning, that's your big match coming up at
all In So that was Dynamite. I thought it was
a very good go home show, and then tonight we
have got the Collision Show, and I was told in
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terms of like wrestling, good show, but it doesn't look
like they did a whole bunch of angles. The big
heavy angle show for the pay per view was Dynamite.
So we've got Commander and Speedball versus Rush and Realistico.
Mercedes Monet defends the TBS title against Reyna Isis. I
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have no idea why this is a championship match. I mean,
they had the video package, that's all great and good,
but this is another one of those. They've done this
before too. It's like Mercedes has a big match coming
up at the pay per view, why is she in
a random title match on the Collision before the pay
per view. I think it's ridiculous, but that's what they did.
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FTR and Daniel Garcia and Nigel McGinnis will do the
contract signing. Kyle Fletcher versus Jay Lethal. The Paragon will
face the Grizzled Young Vets. They've built that up for
several weeks. Josh Alexander faces aar Fox, the much maligned
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versus Bandido and the Outrunners, and it was essentially told
good wrestling. You know, you can probably figure out the
finishes to nearly all the matches even without U. And
I don't know the finishes, guys, I mean, I have
no spoilers for you. But that's uh, that's Collision tonight.
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versus Moose and Brian Myers, AJ Francis and Casey Navarro
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lot to talk about, Vinnie. What's going on? Brian?
Speaker 8 (31:27):
How are you? Thank you for having me?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That's right? How you feeling after well? I guess it's
probably been a few weekends, but sad. A couple of
weekends ago, so OS.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
We partied in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Didn't we well, I don't know about partying, but we
hung out a little bit. How was the show? What'd
you think?
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I loved it. I always loved wrestling out west on
the West Coast, especially the SIF Northwest, because honestly, some
of the best talent, best locker rooms that I that
I've ever been in, So I always enjoyed going out there.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It is It is such a change from back in
the day, all of these great promotions and shows and
locker rooms. I mean, how often do you get out
to SOS So?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
It used to be a lot more often. I would
get a lot of loops out there, but this year
it hasn't been as much as I like because I
just have a lot going on with movies, TV stuff
like that. I'm kind of like struggling a lot of
different things at once. But I try to get out
to the West Coast whenever I can, really because I
love it out there. I really actually enjoyed my time
(32:30):
this there this week, I mean les last week because
the crowds were just erupting singing my entrance songs. That's
up than that, you know, the feeling you can't be
that feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, this is a hot crowd, phenomenal now you you know,
I was surprised. This is actually the first time we
ever met in person at that show, and I don't know,
I never thought about it, but I was surprised to
learn you're only twenty five. Yeah, god, you're like a child.
You were born in the year two thousand.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
No, twenty six, that's in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, you're about turn twenty six.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Okay, so you're born yeah, April thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, so you were born in the nineties. Yeah, that's
not so bad. There's a very tail end. But well,
I mean, you know, you, you know you're very young
and uh, but you're already kind of moving into uh
looking at way movies and television slots. I mean, is
are you looking at like? Man? You know, how long
can I do this at twenty six? Or what are
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you thinking?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
So for me, it's just I believe make the most
of every opportunity given right, and I love wrestling. I
will never stop wrestling until my body tells me stop.
But I think why not venture out into other things
and become more valuable in wrestling? Right? I think so
many wrestlers that you could your name went to Hollywood,
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went to acting, and they became bigger. So I feel
as if, why not do the same, why not try
and grow in other ways? And so I have been
very lucky. I've gotten to do a few movies already
and a TVs here is that's coming up very soon.
And it's been really rewarding, you know, getting to learn
different things, be in different places, meet different people, and
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just become more well rounded. And I believe it will
help me in the long one in par wrestling, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Around your age, I also was kind of interested in
doing some acting. And what I did was like around here,
we got the Seattle Film Institute and there's a lot
of stuff that film's around here, and I just started
going all of these different auditions, and you know, I
got some little things here and there, some commercials and
some student films, and then you kind of put a
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resume together and then you go to auditions. Is that
essentially what you did?
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Pretty much? Know, someone from of my family kind of
had a spot open for the first time on a
movie called Frequency of Miracles, and uh, but me for it.
I did it. I made tons of connections at that screen,
at that filming, and it turned into another film. Actually,
I just filmed last Wednesday. I can't get into much
(35:13):
detail about it, but it's gonna be a really really
awesome movie. Uh, pep up. The cast is insane and yeah,
so it just a lot of things steamroll when you
when you make one thing happen, more and more things happen,
and when you make yourself available for these things to happen,
it really can take off. So yeah, kind of just
(35:34):
I'm kind of going with the flow, wrestling every single
week and then taking whatever comes. But I feel as
if I'm enjoying getting more and more opportunities and being
more and more busy because why not.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Now, how does it work in terms of let's say
you get some role and you're gonna you're gonna do
something for a film, and you know how normally works
is they they film everything and then you know, once
everything is wrapped, sometimes they'll need you again for Okay,
well we need to redo this thing here, or we
need to you know, you got a voice over something
here or whatever. Has Has this ever gotten in the
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way of a wrestling booking?
Speaker 8 (36:10):
No, So luckily they've been very lenient or to be honest,
every time that I've been needed. Something's always a weekday,
I believe, or weekend I'm not even wrestling, so it's
pretty it's been pretty good. I haven't acually had to
pull off honey rows before of it. So I filmed
this upcoming wrestling TV theory is called Mister Reset, and
(36:35):
I've had to go back and film a few things
over and over again. But they're very lenient. They know
wrestling on weekend, so they kind of booked everything during
the week which is awesome and I'd love it to
do that for us.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What have you learned from your time doing acting and
television and film and such that you have brought to wrestling.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Wow, it's a great question. Uh, pretty much. Ways to
deal with pressure, because being on a camera is just
I've done it for so many years wrestling, and I
feel as if it's it's very similar in some ways.
You know, wrestling is kind of no retries, no you
have one take, so but I would tell you the
(37:17):
way I deal with pressure in the way that the
pressure is applied is different. But I guess it's good
practice to be mentally under pressure so that I just
am able to adapt to these things. You know what
I'm saying. Or able to be in the situations so
that I can learn and be malleable for any type
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of situation I'm going to be in.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So the flip side, it's a mental thing. And the
flip side is what have you taken from wrestling and
that you have applied to your versioning film career a lot.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
So I've I'm very good to improv. So I'm from
wrestling of course, all these years promos or on the cuffs,
you know, in ring promos or backstage interviews, and I
view that and it's got me got me pretty good,
so success so far. So I would say wrestling has
given me such a tremendous uh skill at being able
(38:15):
to improv and being able to work under pressure and
be able to just take a step back and perform
my best. And you know, it's amazing how how wrestling
has taught me that and gotten me to where I
am now.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So obviously, when when you are a wrestler who then
transitions to TV or film, I mean there's there's various
characters that you can play. And obviously if your character
in a movie or film is a big, bombastic, you know,
pro wrestling style character, well it's easy to just be
a pro wrestler. But if your if your role is
(38:54):
to be more of a normal person, not a big,
bombastic character. You know, it's actually very different from wrestling
because in wrestling you want to be big, and you
don't necessarily want to be that big when you're playing
a role for film.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Interesting, Okay, I mean I have not played anything that
outlandish yet, but I'm looking forward to learning, you know
what I mean. I actually I'm in talk to some
films in South America. It's found yesterday, you know, So
I don't know what to respect, but I'm obviously gonna
give get my all, of course, with everything that I'm given.
(39:32):
But the TV series Mister Reset, I'm playing myself Viny
Power punch s Pacifico. So it's kind of easy, yeah,
to do that because it's my wrestling character. But a
lot of the other films that I've done have been
very an interview based for the most part also, so
it's kinds of just me peeling back, you know, the
curtain a little bit of my life and just talking
(39:52):
about getting Bully going off and just being somebody who
wants to inspire. And so I would say that like
it's film, I hadn't really had to act for those
couple of movies.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I just did, sure, but.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
It's actually expanded me to mental health and uh like, So,
for example, does a TV show coming out very soon
called Men Speaking? Is that it's at the roundtable. Four
people sit in a chair and talk about mental health,
self love, dealing with life's hardest obstacles. And I got
(40:25):
cares for it. So one thing leads to the other,
leads to the other, leads to the other. So and
they all see each other and they're all positive things.
So I'm very, very grateful for all these things.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
So did you have you had issues in your life
with mental health or or what was your role in this?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah, so growing up, you know, I got bullied in
school for like and wrestling, you know, and it really
wasn't fun. I've always told you can't, you don't deserve this,
you don't deserve that. Like I was like playing football
and I got terrible bully just for wearing a John
Senia shirt even with the un football team as the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
So I had to do a lot of bullying going up,
and self esteem issues and kinds of I never really
thought of my had self love right. But I through
my marriage and through finding my wife, I've developed self
love through her, which is amazing. She's helped me learn
to love myself. And now I try to just you know,
(41:26):
express self love and try to you know, inspire people
to learn to love themselves and to believe in themselves
and take a step forward and take a chance on themselves,
to believe that they could do anything they want to do.
And that's kind of been my really, my my thing
is like I want people to be able to love
themselves enough to believe in themselves to do the thing
that they're scared to do. But hey, if they want to. Like,
(41:49):
for example, there are people who want to wrestle but
don't don't They don't believe they could do it. They
don't think they they don't think they have whatever it
takes to do it. I think, screw that. Love yourself
enough and believe yourself enough to do it and try
to try the goals that you have in life because
you only live once.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So so essentially this is this is very easy to
work into a babyface character.
Speaker 8 (42:11):
I guess. So, I mean that's true, yeah, but it's
all legit. You know. I've dealt with this my whole life,
and you know, I've had to look in the mirror
and learn to love who I am. And and I'm
very grateful that I have an amazing woman by my
side who teaches me that and taught me how to
love myself. So I try and always inspie other people
to take those steps forward, to create self love and
(42:33):
to work on themselves because you live in your mind.
You live in your mind, and no one else knows
what you're going through. So I just think, you know,
you have to take care of mental health first.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know, I don't want to, I don't want to
make light of mental health or anything like that. But
this this very much reminds me of John Cena where
he was a babyface. It was always never give up.
And if you go on on his Twitter social media,
like every day he had some new motivational quote and yeah,
and so then he turned heel okay, And when he
(43:08):
turned heel, I had all of these great ideas, like
this guy needs to do his motivational quotes, but they
should be like just quit or don't get out of
bed today. I thought there were like all these things
that he could do to like make this character like
you know, play off the anti John Cena, but instead
he just did the same John Cene. He's just a
bad guy now yelling at people. So have you ever
(43:30):
have you ever played the heel role. I've only seen
you doing babyface stuff.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Yes, I've played the heel role plenty of times. I
love being a heel because it's literally me, like at
the opposite of me. You know, I'm an annoying version
of myself. I'm more dislikable, and yeah, I love playing heil,
but I've often a face. But when I get to
be a heel, I really sit back and I enjoy it,
you know, because these fans get really rowdy and they
(43:54):
give the middle finger and they curse at you, and
it's it's really cool to have different tydes, of different
sides of the coin. You know, when they come out
and they love you, and then you know, you go
to a different town, you come out and they just
get in your face, give you addle finger, tell you
to goes through yourself. You know, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
So, so do you make do you make the call? Like,
let's say you're going to a town you've never been
to before. Do you make the call going in or
are you are you and your opponents sort of like,
you know whatever. However, they react to me like that's
the way we're going here.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Usually I'm brought in into baby face for the most
most part, you know, even in Europe, I was brought
in a baby's face. But if I get told otherwise,
they want me to be a heel. They want me
to they want to challenge me and say, oh, Vinny,
you know, I want to see a deal. Can I
have no problem doing it. And it's literally just the
same character, just switch to a different h despective, you know.
(44:47):
So it's like, as opposed to me drinking and edgy
drink poking up, how about drink anti drink and spew
it into your opponent's face, in your eyes and they
can't see. And then that could combined.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, you know, so it's kind of two.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Sides of the you know coin where it's like, you know,
come out energize. I'm not ready to go. I could
still be energized as a bad guy, but I just
do it in a really more annoying way.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
All right, Well, hold that thought back in a moment
Observer Live.
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Back of the show, Brain Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. I love saying
that name, and Vinnie, what do you got? Coming up?
A lot?
Speaker 8 (45:37):
A lot so in private screening fore of my films
on this Monday, this Sunday, I wrestle in Connecticut for
for Wrestling Magic and Taiju. I will be heading to
Florida very shortly in the next couple of weeks to
do CCW in Kissing Me and CCW in Port Saint
Lucy in Game of War, their biggest OH of the year.
(46:00):
And a lot going on. You know, I got some
West Coast I got March thirty first, I come back
to Seattle or not Northwest Pro March or May for
the title?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
What's up May thirty first?
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Yep? May thirty first?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
All right?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You said March, all right? May thirty first?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Oh right, May thirty first. So yeah, a lot going on.
I'm very grateful for everything, and I just I'm ready
for it.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
All.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, we got ten seconds here. What's your favorite state
to wrestle in?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (46:28):
Favorite states? To wrestling. I will have to say Oregon
really Oregon, Yeah, Moregon or Seattle.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yes, I would not have expected that. Nothing against Oregon
or anything. It's beautiful, but uh man, you got the
whole country here. You got lots of sun over there
on the east coast Florida. So interesting, No, I know,
but I do love.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
I do love the crowds, and I'm Northwest Northwest. They've
been amazing to me for many, many years.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, I want to thank you so much for doing
the show today. Best of lug where everything. We'll do
this again soon. Maybe I'll try and head out May
thirty first if I can, and and all the best,
good luck with everything. He friend appreciates you, and of
course thanks everybody for listening. We're out of time, but
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Let's get going, got a lot to talk about, so
he Stark has said thank you to fans for their
love and support. She said it means more to her
than they'll ever know. What hurts more than my knee,
she says, is knowing I won't be able to perform
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for all of you for a while. I love what
I do and I'm blessed to do this. As the
saying goes, the comeback is greater than the setback. Love you, guys.
So there's no official word on her knee, but the
fact that she says she will not be performing for
a while, well obviously something went badly wrong. I don't
(06:53):
know if that means torn acl I don't know if
that means she tore everything, but it does appear she's
going to be out of action for quite a while.
So all the best to her, and maybe we'll get
an update, maybe we won't sting With wrestling nowadays, you know,
sometimes they'll tell us what's going on, and sometimes they don't.
So all the best to her. Now some big news
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and we actually don't know the extent of this yet,
but we will very soon. WWE, as reported by brnan Thurst,
obtained he obtained a statement from the Greater New Orleans
Sport Foundation that claims the city will be hosting WrestleMania
(07:36):
not next year, but in a quote later unspecified year.
So this is a really big story because you know,
they announced WrestleMania New Orleans, and not only do they
announce a WrestleMania in New Orleans, but you know, a
(08:00):
lot of the independent groups. I mean, you know, tickets
or hotels were purchased and buildings were rented, and you know,
this is more than just WWE, you know, canceling WrestleMania
New Orleans. I mean, this is gonna have a huge
effect on all of the other promotions that had already
made plans to run New Orleans over WrestleMania weekend. So
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obviously the deal here is they're getting a better deal
somewhere else, and there are three places that are being
rumored as of today, and well, of course they can
just cancel their plans, but I mean I'm talking like
you know, it depends on what the deal they made
with particular buildings. I mean, can they get the entire
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deposit back and they not. It's one thing with hotels,
but it might be something different with renting out buildings
and everything that goes into putting together a series of
shows over WrestleMania weekend. So anyway, the three rumored locations
for WrestleMania next year are now London, Mexico and Saudi Arabia.
(09:15):
So I see a lot of people in the chat
are presuming it's gonna be Saudi Arabia. The thing with
Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia is getting the Royal Rumble, and
I suppose they could also change the Royal rumble. You know,
let's been do the Royal Rumble somewhere else and then
(09:36):
do WrestleMania in Saudi. But I mean, if you ask me,
my gut tells me that Saudi is the least likely
of the three possibilities. I think, very good chance. London.
It's been talked about for a long time. Obviously, you know,
(09:57):
as soon as aw did a and crowd in Wembley,
you knew that we was going to want to go
in and you know, break that record. And the other option,
which I think especially because the whole situation with the
purchase of Triple A, and it's more than just wanting
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a presence in Mexico. They obviously want a big presence
in Mexico, but also they want to be number one
in Mexico. They want to beat CMLL. I mean, as
tech stadium for WrestleMania, I don't think is out of
the question. So I presume we're going to find out
fairly soon where WrestleMania is going to be next year,
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but it is not going to be in New Orleans.
And you know, whether it's in London or whether it's
in Mexico. I mean, there's a reason for this, and
that is either we're going after a w or we're
going after CMLL. So we'll find out who's top of
the list for this coming year. So that's the update
(11:02):
on that. If you if you made plans for New Orleans, well,
I mean you can still go to New Orleans. It's fun,
but you ain't gonna see WrestleMania there. All right. We've
also got to talk some ratings notes. I know people
don't like to talk about ratings, but I'll make it quick.
First off, at XT six hundred and ninety seven thousand
(11:22):
viewers and a point thirteen, so viewership was up and
eighteen to forty nine was down. So just basically more
old people were watching the show. Nothing really to talk about.
There is what is notable here is Raw. So here's
the thing. And this applies to a WWE and AW,
(11:44):
it applies to Raw, and it applies to Max. We
don't have any idea how these shows are doing. Okay,
Max doesn't give any information at all, and you know,
allegedly Tony a AW they can't even get any information
about how many people are watching on Max other than
(12:06):
it's doing well whatever that means. And you know, with
Raw on Netflix, Netflix announces numbers and then everybody tries
to do math to find out, well, how many people
were were actually watching. So according to Netflix, the April twelfth,
(12:28):
Raw did five point one million viewing hours and two
point seven million global viewers. So this would mean, uh,
RAW did one point one five six million viewers over
seven days and like the same day viewership of Raw
(12:53):
would allegedly be nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Okay,
nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Now I talked
about this a little bit yesterday. I don't buy this
at all. I don't think there's any way that only
nine hundred and eighty thousand people are watching Raw on
Monday nights. I don't know. Like with Nielsen, the way
(13:17):
they get the viewership as well. You know, there's this
number of households. In each household, there's X number of viewers.
I don't know if maybe Netflix just says if it's
on in the house, it's one viewer. I mean, people
are are gonna go nuts in the chat, but this
is this is reality, everybody, Okay, we know that a
(13:41):
percentage of the AW viewership is watching on Max. I
know people like to say it's there's nobody watching whatever,
but there are Okay. I've always estimated between one hundred
and fifty and two hundred and fifty thousand people are
watching on Max. I don't think it's a half million
people watching on Max. I don't think it's a million people.
(14:02):
I think on a good week it's probably near two fifty.
On a bad week, it's maybe closer to one fifty.
But we're talking like between one hundred and fifty and
two hundred and fifty thousand people. And people can deny
it all they want. But like every time we talk
about it on the chat, you know, on the YouTube chat,
you can ask anybody, lots of people are watching on Max.
(14:25):
I quit watching, Like I only watch on Max all
the shows. I don't think it's crazy that two hundred
and fifty thousand people are watching AW on Max. But
what is what? I find it hard to believe that
if you add in TBS and TNT the viewership of
Dynamite Collision, especially Dynamite, and you add in the Max viewership,
(14:50):
what this would be saying is that Raw and Dynamite
are basically neck and neck. And I can't buy that
just from looking at what are these shows drawing to
the buildings, How many people are showing up for the shows?
You know, what are they drawing for television? What are
they drawing when they go on the road. You know,
how are they doing in terms of big shows? How
(15:13):
are they doing in terms like every aspect of business.
I cannot believe that Raw on Monday Night and Dynamite
on Wednesday are essentially doing the same viewership. Maybe that's
the case, but I think something is really weird with
these Netflix numbers. I can't buy that Raw on Monday,
two weeks ago, did nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers.
(15:34):
It doesn't make any sense, but that's that's allegedly the number.
So you know, it was easy in the old days
when everybody like, whatever you think about Nielsen ratings, whether
you think they're accutate or not, at least like they
were all Nielsen ratings, So whether they were accutate or not,
they were all you can compare them all. Now when
we've got Netflix has this wacky number and whatever you
(15:56):
know Max has who knows? I mean, we don't know.
Back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike Simpervivi on the Sports Byline broadcasting network.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You know, Tony Kahn's doing a media call right now.
You know he just said he said Max is still
building pay per view capability. I remember I said that
like six eight months ago, and we had these fellas,
one in particular, who said, you're wrong. They could do
(16:44):
pay per view if they wanted, they should hire me.
I could have it set up and actually said that
if they hired me, I'd have it set up immediately. Well,
they're still building it, so whatever, all right, we got
to talk about this this Dynamite show. It was It
(17:05):
was a very good go home show for the show
this weekend, and we still have Collision coming up tonight.
So we had a Hangman Will Osprey face to face,
which I thought was excellent. Two baby faces. They both
really want the title for their own reasons. They both
there was no physicality, nothing, They just both stated their case.
(17:27):
And to be honest, I mean, I don't think they're
gonna do a turn or anything like that. But of
the two, you know, Osprey was the one that kind
of had the edge there at the end of the
heel edge and he said that he was going to
he was gonna take out hang Man. What are you
gonna do about it? Wrap a chair around my skull?
Beat me so bad I have to retire, like Chris Daniels.
(17:48):
Hangman was very upset about that, and they ended up
drinking together and it was excellent. Like if you want
to see a great go home section for a match,
this is it. And when it was over, I mean,
will Osprey is asked for the main event slot at
(18:08):
the pay per view. It definitely feels like the most
important match on the show because it does seem like
the winner of this match is going to all in
and winning that title from John Moxley. Seems like a very,
very very important match. But man, I'm not sure about
following that anarchy in an arena. I just don't know
(18:29):
if I'd do that, but that's what he wanted. Then
we had Moxley and the Young Bucks versus Joe, Swerve
and Hobbs party match. Excellent match, great heat. The finish
was Joe choking out Nick pin Matt Clean with a cradle,
which was revenge for I think about a week ago
(18:49):
when Matt pinned him with a small package. And then
the Death Writers came out and we had Shabbada, Marina Willow,
Kenny oh Omega, everybody running wild and it was kind
of amazing because like they did a challenge afterwards with
Joe say, we're gonna beat you guys up tonight. Why
(19:10):
wait for Sunday. But I will say, you know, at
this point in the show, we still didn't know who
was in the anarchy in the arena match, and honestly, honestly,
right now, we still don't really know. They've announced a match,
and it was Simojo, Shabata, Swerve, Hobbes, Omega and Willow
(19:32):
against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Young Bucks and Marina so six
on six, but they announced this before they did the
main event segment, which saw the return of Gabe Kid
to uneven the odds in favor of the Heels and
so like. Officially at this point it's six on six.
(19:53):
I think it's gonna be seven on seven and Gabe
Kid will be added and probably the return of Eddie
Kingston on the Babyface side, but again we don't know.
We shall I guess find out on Sunday or maybe tomorrow,
but probably Sunday. We had the Hurt Syndicate segment and
(20:16):
the MVP MJF contract signing, and this was kind of
one of those things, you know, we had a guy
call say, you know what what what names some storylines
that were like really really great, but the payoff was
kind of whatever. And granted this wasn't the full payoff,
because I'm sure there's more to come. But last week
MJF was accepted into the Hurt Syndicate, but they said
(20:40):
next week you must sign the contract, and so I
think myself and everybody on the planet figured, Okay, well
something's going down next week ain't gonna be good for MJF.
But instead, what they did is MJF signed the contract,
(21:00):
the other guys signed the contract, and then Dustin Rhodes
and Sammy just came out and cut a promo for
the tag match. There was no angle, there was no surprise, nothing.
They just I don't even know why we needed to
extend it another week after they accepted him last week.
(21:22):
So it felt like, well, maybe there was gonna be
something that happened, but so many people were figuring it
out that they just shifted and they'll do the turn later.
But man, it was weird. I mean, this was a
weird one. So then we had Rikoshet and Anthony Bowens
and you know, Bones came out kind of had the
(21:44):
booboo face, got beat when Billy Gunn did something stupid
for reasons unknown, and Ricochet jabbed him with the scissors,
pinned him, and then Bones was out of there and
they did an angle with Mark Briscoe and Ricochet, and
I mean, you know they do they do wins and
losses and everything, and you know, they don't do a
lot of screw job finishes. But man, they this felt
(22:09):
This felt like when you used to watch WE and
you know a guy would get a push for three
weeks and then you know Vince would give up on him.
That's what this felt like here. So we'll see what
the future is for Anthony Bowens. We had Renee interviewing
Mercedes and Jamie. I thought it was pretty good, not
nearly as good as the segment with will Ospray and
hang Man, but it was fine and ended up with
(22:31):
a brawl unlike the opening segment, and Jamie later out
with eight or eight. So the way they pretty much
everybody books, I think it's pretty clear we're getting Mercedes
and Tony at all in and the main event. It's
gonna be a very interesting to look at the quarters here,
because yes, I realized that Joe said, you know this,
(22:55):
this anarchy in the arena is going to start tonight,
but he said that like an hour and a half earlier,
and even though I saw it an hour and a
half later, there'd been no mention of it. And I
watched Mina Shirakaw and Julia Hart and I thought, Wow,
this is the main event. This is it. I would
not have done this for a main event. So I
mean it was fine. Mina Shirakaw was awesome. Julia hard
(23:19):
could very much do with a tour of Japan, do
a bunch of indie dates. I mean, she is one
of many in aw that you know, they're basically where
they were five years ago, and it's just not enough reps.
You can't improve doing a show a month or less,
especially if you've been injured. So it was just a
(23:42):
huge gulf in like the ability of these two women.
Mina was incredible and she won obviously, and then Julie went. Afterwards,
sky Blue hit the ring, Tony Storm hit the ring,
had a big brawl, and then like I thought that
was good. You know, they did the face to face
with will Ospray and hang Man. They didn't any physicality,
and I don't think this one needed any either, But
(24:05):
Mina attacked Tony put her in the figure four around
the post. Tony sold it big, and this one to
me felt like I don't think we needed this one.
I think it was just fine to do the match,
do the angle. Plus there's gonna be a bunch of
as we found out afterwards, physicality afterwards with the Anarchy
(24:26):
and the arena crew. So the Bucks go to leave,
Matt in a cocky manner, says this, Joe said he
was gonna attack us before we left, but we're leaving
and he did an attack us, so he is a
pathological liar. And he winks and goes to leave, and
of course here comes Joe and we have the wild brawl,
and you know, the Babyfaces are are doing well. But
(24:47):
then Gabe Kid shows up and they did the record
scratch with the music they had playing, and the Heels
took over Omegan Swerve got put through tables by the
Bucks and the Heels stood a tall. So we'll see
what they do on Sunday. I mean, you know, the
(25:09):
Death Writers lost the Trios titles. That was the first
crack in the armor. But I think that maybe the
best course of action is for Moxley to get the
pin in Anarchy in the arena because he should be
very strong going into the championship match against the Swerve
(25:30):
Hangman or the Hangman and Osprey winner at the pay
per view. So I think that I think that he
should get the win in that match, and then whoever
ends up winning, that's your big match coming up at
all In So that was Dynamite. I thought it was
a very good go home show, and then tonight we
have got the Collision Show, and I was told in
(25:53):
terms of like wrestling, good show, but it doesn't look
like they did a whole bunch of angles. The big
heavy angle show for the pay per view was Dynamite.
So we've got Commander and Speedball versus Rush and Realistico.
Mercedes Monet defends the TBS title against Reyna Isis. I
(26:14):
have no idea why this is a championship match. I mean,
they had the video package, that's all great and good,
but this is another one of those. They've done this
before too. It's like Mercedes has a big match coming
up at the pay per view, why is she in
a random title match on the Collision before the pay
per view. I think it's ridiculous, but that's what they did.
(26:35):
FTR and Daniel Garcia and Nigel McGinnis will do the
contract signing. Kyle Fletcher versus Jay Lethal. The Paragon will
face the Grizzled Young Vets. They've built that up for
several weeks. Josh Alexander faces aar Fox, the much maligned
ar Fox, Mistico, Templorio and Mascriderada versus Volador Junior Magnus
(26:58):
and Ruhido which sounds awesome, and Taqushta and rapung Device
versus Bandido and the Outrunners, and it was essentially told
good wrestling. You know, you can probably figure out the
finishes to nearly all the matches even without U. And
I don't know the finishes, guys, I mean, I have
no spoilers for you. But that's uh, that's Collision tonight.
(27:21):
And also tonight is Impact with Joe Henry and Elijah
versus Moose and Brian Myers, AJ Francis and Casey Navarro
versus Santana and Sammy Callahan Mister Stone and Santino will
have an inn ring debate, Oh my god, and most
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Begging the show. Brian Elver is here Wrestling Observer Alive.
Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. We've got a
lot to talk about, Vinnie. What's going on? Brian?
Speaker 8 (31:27):
How are you? Thank you for having me?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That's right? How you feeling after well? I guess it's
probably been a few weekends, but sad. A couple of
weekends ago, so OS.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
We partied in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Didn't we well, I don't know about partying, but we
hung out a little bit. How was the show? What'd
you think?
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I loved it. I always loved wrestling out west on
the West Coast, especially the SIF Northwest, because honestly, some
of the best talent, best locker rooms that I that
I've ever been in, So I always enjoyed going out there.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It is It is such a change from back in
the day, all of these great promotions and shows and
locker rooms. I mean, how often do you get out
to SOS So?
Speaker 8 (32:10):
It used to be a lot more often. I would
get a lot of loops out there, but this year
it hasn't been as much as I like because I
just have a lot going on with movies, TV stuff
like that. I'm kind of like struggling a lot of
different things at once. But I try to get out
to the West Coast whenever I can, really because I
love it out there. I really actually enjoyed my time
(32:30):
this there this week, I mean les last week because
the crowds were just erupting singing my entrance songs. That's
up than that, you know, the feeling you can't be
that feeling.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, this is a hot crowd, phenomenal now you you know,
I was surprised. This is actually the first time we
ever met in person at that show, and I don't know,
I never thought about it, but I was surprised to
learn you're only twenty five. Yeah, god, you're like a child.
You were born in the year two thousand.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
No, twenty six, that's in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, you're about turn twenty six.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Okay, so you're born yeah, April thirteenth.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, so you were born in the nineties. Yeah, that's
not so bad. There's a very tail end. But well,
I mean, you know, you, you know you're very young
and uh, but you're already kind of moving into uh
looking at way movies and television slots. I mean, is
are you looking at like? Man? You know, how long
can I do this at twenty six? Or what are
(33:34):
you thinking?
Speaker 8 (33:36):
So for me, it's just I believe make the most
of every opportunity given right, and I love wrestling. I
will never stop wrestling until my body tells me stop.
But I think why not venture out into other things
and become more valuable in wrestling? Right? I think so
many wrestlers that you could your name went to Hollywood,
(33:58):
went to acting, and they became bigger. So I feel
as if, why not do the same, why not try
and grow in other ways? And so I have been
very lucky. I've gotten to do a few movies already
and a TVs here is that's coming up very soon.
And it's been really rewarding, you know, getting to learn
different things, be in different places, meet different people, and
(34:18):
just become more well rounded. And I believe it will
help me in the long one in par wrestling, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Around your age, I also was kind of interested in
doing some acting. And what I did was like around here,
we got the Seattle Film Institute and there's a lot
of stuff that film's around here, and I just started
going all of these different auditions, and you know, I
got some little things here and there, some commercials and
some student films, and then you kind of put a
(34:46):
resume together and then you go to auditions. Is that
essentially what you did?
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Pretty much? Know, someone from of my family kind of
had a spot open for the first time on a
movie called Frequency of Miracles, and uh, but me for it.
I did it. I made tons of connections at that screen,
at that filming, and it turned into another film. Actually,
I just filmed last Wednesday. I can't get into much
(35:13):
detail about it, but it's gonna be a really really
awesome movie. Uh, pep up. The cast is insane and yeah,
so it just a lot of things steamroll when you
when you make one thing happen, more and more things happen,
and when you make yourself available for these things to happen,
it really can take off. So yeah, kind of just
(35:34):
I'm kind of going with the flow, wrestling every single
week and then taking whatever comes. But I feel as
if I'm enjoying getting more and more opportunities and being
more and more busy because why not.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Now, how does it work in terms of let's say
you get some role and you're gonna you're gonna do
something for a film, and you know how normally works
is they they film everything and then you know, once
everything is wrapped, sometimes they'll need you again for Okay,
well we need to redo this thing here, or we
need to you know, you got a voice over something
here or whatever. Has Has this ever gotten in the
(36:08):
way of a wrestling booking?
Speaker 8 (36:10):
No, So luckily they've been very lenient or to be honest,
every time that I've been needed. Something's always a weekday,
I believe, or weekend I'm not even wrestling, so it's
pretty it's been pretty good. I haven't acually had to
pull off honey rows before of it. So I filmed
this upcoming wrestling TV theory is called Mister Reset, and
(36:35):
I've had to go back and film a few things
over and over again. But they're very lenient. They know
wrestling on weekend, so they kind of booked everything during
the week which is awesome and I'd love it to
do that for us.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What have you learned from your time doing acting and
television and film and such that you have brought to wrestling.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Wow, it's a great question. Uh, pretty much. Ways to
deal with pressure, because being on a camera is just
I've done it for so many years wrestling, and I
feel as if it's it's very similar in some ways.
You know, wrestling is kind of no retries, no you
have one take, so but I would tell you the
(37:17):
way I deal with pressure in the way that the
pressure is applied is different. But I guess it's good
practice to be mentally under pressure so that I just
am able to adapt to these things. You know what
I'm saying. Or able to be in the situations so
that I can learn and be malleable for any type
(37:39):
of situation I'm going to be in.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So the flip side, it's a mental thing. And the
flip side is what have you taken from wrestling and
that you have applied to your versioning film career a lot.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
So I've I'm very good to improv. So I'm from
wrestling of course, all these years promos or on the cuffs,
you know, in ring promos or backstage interviews, and I
view that and it's got me got me pretty good,
so success so far. So I would say wrestling has
given me such a tremendous uh skill at being able
(38:15):
to improv and being able to work under pressure and
be able to just take a step back and perform
my best. And you know, it's amazing how how wrestling
has taught me that and gotten me to where I
am now.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
So obviously, when when you are a wrestler who then
transitions to TV or film, I mean there's there's various
characters that you can play. And obviously if your character
in a movie or film is a big, bombastic, you know,
pro wrestling style character, well it's easy to just be
a pro wrestler. But if your if your role is
(38:54):
to be more of a normal person, not a big,
bombastic character. You know, it's actually very different from wrestling
because in wrestling you want to be big, and you
don't necessarily want to be that big when you're playing
a role for film.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Interesting, Okay, I mean I have not played anything that
outlandish yet, but I'm looking forward to learning, you know
what I mean. I actually I'm in talk to some
films in South America. It's found yesterday, you know, So
I don't know what to respect, but I'm obviously gonna
give get my all, of course, with everything that I'm given.
(39:32):
But the TV series Mister Reset, I'm playing myself Viny
Power punch s Pacifico. So it's kind of easy, yeah,
to do that because it's my wrestling character. But a
lot of the other films that I've done have been
very an interview based for the most part also, so
it's kinds of just me peeling back, you know, the
curtain a little bit of my life and just talking
(39:52):
about getting Bully going off and just being somebody who
wants to inspire. And so I would say that like
it's film, I hadn't really had to act for those
couple of movies.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I just did, sure, but.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
It's actually expanded me to mental health and uh like, So,
for example, does a TV show coming out very soon
called Men Speaking? Is that it's at the roundtable. Four
people sit in a chair and talk about mental health,
self love, dealing with life's hardest obstacles. And I got
(40:25):
cares for it. So one thing leads to the other,
leads to the other, leads to the other. So and
they all see each other and they're all positive things.
So I'm very, very grateful for all these things.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
So did you have you had issues in your life
with mental health or or what was your role in this?
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah, so growing up, you know, I got bullied in
school for like and wrestling, you know, and it really
wasn't fun. I've always told you can't, you don't deserve this,
you don't deserve that. Like I was like playing football
and I got terrible bully just for wearing a John
Senia shirt even with the un football team as the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:05):
So I had to do a lot of bullying going up,
and self esteem issues and kinds of I never really
thought of my had self love right. But I through
my marriage and through finding my wife, I've developed self
love through her, which is amazing. She's helped me learn
to love myself. And now I try to just you know,
(41:26):
express self love and try to you know, inspire people
to learn to love themselves and to believe in themselves
and take a step forward and take a chance on themselves,
to believe that they could do anything they want to do.
And that's kind of been my really, my my thing
is like I want people to be able to love
themselves enough to believe in themselves to do the thing
that they're scared to do. But hey, if they want to. Like,
(41:49):
for example, there are people who want to wrestle but
don't don't They don't believe they could do it. They
don't think they they don't think they have whatever it
takes to do it. I think, screw that. Love yourself
enough and believe yourself enough to do it and try
to try the goals that you have in life because
you only live once.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
So so essentially this is this is very easy to
work into a babyface character.
Speaker 8 (42:11):
I guess. So, I mean that's true, yeah, but it's
all legit. You know. I've dealt with this my whole life,
and you know, I've had to look in the mirror
and learn to love who I am. And and I'm
very grateful that I have an amazing woman by my
side who teaches me that and taught me how to
love myself. So I try and always inspie other people
to take those steps forward, to create self love and
(42:33):
to work on themselves because you live in your mind.
You live in your mind, and no one else knows
what you're going through. So I just think, you know,
you have to take care of mental health first.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know, I don't want to, I don't want to
make light of mental health or anything like that. But
this this very much reminds me of John Cena where
he was a babyface. It was always never give up.
And if you go on on his Twitter social media,
like every day he had some new motivational quote and yeah,
and so then he turned heel okay, And when he
(43:08):
turned heel, I had all of these great ideas, like
this guy needs to do his motivational quotes, but they
should be like just quit or don't get out of
bed today. I thought there were like all these things
that he could do to like make this character like
you know, play off the anti John Cena, but instead
he just did the same John Cene. He's just a
bad guy now yelling at people. So have you ever
(43:30):
have you ever played the heel role. I've only seen
you doing babyface stuff.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Yes, I've played the heel role plenty of times. I
love being a heel because it's literally me, like at
the opposite of me. You know, I'm an annoying version
of myself. I'm more dislikable, and yeah, I love playing heil,
but I've often a face. But when I get to
be a heel, I really sit back and I enjoy it,
you know, because these fans get really rowdy and they
(43:54):
give the middle finger and they curse at you, and
it's it's really cool to have different tydes, of different
sides of the coin. You know, when they come out
and they love you, and then you know, you go
to a different town, you come out and they just
get in your face, give you addle finger, tell you
to goes through yourself. You know, it's fun.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
So, so do you make do you make the call? Like,
let's say you're going to a town you've never been
to before. Do you make the call going in or
are you are you and your opponents sort of like,
you know whatever. However, they react to me like that's
the way we're going here.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (44:26):
Usually I'm brought in into baby face for the most
most part, you know, even in Europe, I was brought
in a baby's face. But if I get told otherwise,
they want me to be a heel. They want me
to they want to challenge me and say, oh, Vinny,
you know, I want to see a deal. Can I
have no problem doing it. And it's literally just the
same character, just switch to a different h despective, you know.
(44:47):
So it's like, as opposed to me drinking and edgy
drink poking up, how about drink anti drink and spew
it into your opponent's face, in your eyes and they
can't see. And then that could combined.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, you know, so it's kind of two.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Sides of the you know coin where it's like, you know,
come out energize. I'm not ready to go. I could
still be energized as a bad guy, but I just
do it in a really more annoying way.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
All right, Well, hold that thought back in a moment
Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Back of the show, Brain Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. I love saying
that name, and Vinnie, what do you got? Coming up?
A lot?
Speaker 8 (45:37):
A lot so in private screening fore of my films
on this Monday, this Sunday, I wrestle in Connecticut for
for Wrestling Magic and Taiju. I will be heading to
Florida very shortly in the next couple of weeks to
do CCW in Kissing Me and CCW in Port Saint
Lucy in Game of War, their biggest OH of the year.
(46:00):
And a lot going on. You know, I got some
West Coast I got March thirty first, I come back
to Seattle or not Northwest Pro March or May for
the title?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
What's up May thirty first?
Speaker 8 (46:12):
Yep? May thirty first?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
All right?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
You said March, all right? May thirty first?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (46:15):
Oh right, May thirty first. So yeah, a lot going on.
I'm very grateful for everything, and I just I'm ready
for it.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
All.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, we got ten seconds here. What's your favorite state
to wrestle in?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (46:28):
Favorite states? To wrestling. I will have to say Oregon
really Oregon, Yeah, Moregon or Seattle.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yes, I would not have expected that. Nothing against Oregon
or anything. It's beautiful, but uh man, you got the
whole country here. You got lots of sun over there
on the east coast Florida. So interesting, No, I know,
but I do love.
Speaker 8 (46:47):
I do love the crowds, and I'm Northwest Northwest. They've
been amazing to me for many, many years.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, I want to thank you so much for doing
the show today. Best of lug where everything. We'll do
this again soon. Maybe I'll try and head out May
thirty first if I can, and and all the best,
good luck with everything. He friend appreciates you, and of
course thanks everybody for listening. We're out of time, but
we'll talk to you on Friday. Wrestling Observer Live. You
(47:49):
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