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the second major segment of the show, we'll be talking
about the Dynamite show from last night. There is a
Collision show that is taking place tonight, so we'll tell
you about the lineup for that show. And of course
there's you know, there's a lot going on. We got Collision,

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we got Impact, we got under Siege, we got Smacked Down,
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You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (06:11):
In the show Bryan Alvarez here Wrestling Observer A Live,
Let's get going, got a lot to talk about. Soy
Stark has said thank you to fans for their love
and support. She said it means more to her than
they'll ever know. What hurts more than my knee, she says,
is knowing I won't be able to perform for all

(06:32):
of you for a while. I love what I do
and I'm blessed to do this. As the saying goes,
the comeback is greater than the setback. Love you, guys.
So there's no official word on her knee, but the
fact that she says she will not be performing for
a while, well obviously something went badly wrong. I don't

(06:53):
know if that means torn acl I don't know if
that means she tore everything, but it does appear she's
going to be out of action for quite a while.
So all the best to her, and maybe we'll get
an update. Maybe we won't sting With wrestling nowadays, you know,
sometimes they'll tell us what's going on, and sometimes they don't.
So all the best to her. Now, some big news

(07:16):
and we actually don't know the extent of this yet,
but we will very soon. WWE, as reported by Brnan Thurst,
obtained he obtained a statement from the Greater New Orleans
Sport Foundation that claims the city will be hosting WrestleMania

(07:36):
not next year, but in a quote later unspecified year.
So this is a really big story because you know,
they announced WrestleMania New Orleans, and not only do they
announce a WrestleMania in New Orleans, but you know a

(08:00):
lot of the independent groups. I mean, you know, tickets
or hotels were purchased and buildings were rented, and you know,
this is more than just WWE, you know, canceling WrestleMania
New Orleans. I mean, this is gonna have a huge
effect on all of the other promotions that had already
made plans to run New Orleans over WrestleMania weekend. So obviously,

(08:25):
the deal here is they're getting a better deal somewhere else.
And there are three places that are being rumored as
of today, And well, of course they can just cancel
their plans, but I mean I'm talking like you know,
it depends on what the deal they made with particular buildings.

(08:45):
I mean, can they get the entire deposit back, and
they not. It's one thing with hotels, but it might
be something different with renting out buildings and everything that
goes into putting together a series of shows over WrestleMania weekend.
So anyway, the three rumored locations for WrestleMania next year

(09:05):
are now London, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. So I see
a lot of people in the chat are presuming it's
gonna be Saudi Arabia. The thing with Saudi Arabia, Saudi
Arabia is getting the Royal Rumble, and I suppose they

(09:28):
could also change the Royal rumble. You know, let's been
do the Royal Rumble somewhere else and then do WrestleMania
in Saudi. But I mean, if you ask me, my
gut tells me that Saudi is the least likely of

(09:49):
the three possibilities. I think, very good chance. London. It's
been talked about for a long time. Obviously, you know,
as soon as aw did a and crowd in Wembley,
you knew that we was going to want to go
in and you know, break that record. And the other option,

(10:10):
which I think, especially because the whole situation with the
purchase of Triple A. And it's more than just wanting
a presence in Mexico. They obviously want a big presence
in Mexico, but also they want to be number one
in Mexico. They want to beat CMLL. I mean as
tech stadium for WrestleMania, I don't think is out of

(10:33):
the question. So I presume we're going to find out
fairly soon where WrestleMania is going to be next year.
But it is not going to be in New Orleans.
And you know, whether it's in London or whether it's
in Mexico. I mean, there's a reason for this, and
that is either we're going after a w or we're

(10:53):
going after CMLL. So we'll find out who's top of
the list for this coming year. So that's the update
on that. If you if you made plans for New Orleans, well,
I mean, you can still go to New Orleans. It's fun,
but you ain't gonna see WrestleMania there. All right. We've
also got to talk some ratings notes. I know people

(11:16):
don't like to talk about ratings, but I'll make it quick.
First off, at XT six hundred and ninety seven thousand
viewers and a point thirteen, so viewership was up and
eighteen to forty nine was down. So just basically more
old people were watching the show. Nothing really to talk
about there is what is notable here is RAW. So

(11:40):
here's the thing. And this applies to a WWE and AW,
it applies to Raw, and it applies to Max. We
don't have any idea how these shows are doing. Okay.
Max doesn't give any information at all. And you know,
allegedly Tony a AW, they can't even get any information

(12:02):
about how many people are watching on Max other than
it's doing well whatever that means. And you know, with
Raw on Netflix, Netflix announces numbers and then everybody tries
to do math to find out, well, how many people
were were actually watching. So according to Netflix, the April twelfth,

(12:28):
Raw did five point one million viewing hours and two
point seven million global viewers. So this would mean, uh,
RAW did one point one five six million viewers over
seven days, and like the same day viewership of RAW

(12:53):
would allegedly be nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Okay,
nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers. Now, I talked
about this a little bit yesterday. I don't buy this
at all. I don't think there's any way that only
nine hundred and eighty thousand people are watching raw on
Monday nights. I don't know. Like with Nielsen, the way

(13:17):
they get the viewership as well. You know there's this
number of households. In each household, there's X number of viewers.
I don't know if maybe Netflix just says if it's
on in the house, it's one viewer. I mean, people
are are gonna go nuts in the chat, but this
is this is reality, everybody, Okay, we know that a

(13:41):
percentage of the aw viewership is watching on Max. I
know people like to say it's there's nobody watching whatever,
but there are Okay. I've always estimated between one hundred
and fifty and two hundred and fifty thousand people are
watching on Max. I don't think it's a half million
people watching on Max. I don't think it's a million people.

(14:02):
I think on a good week it's probably near two fifty.
On a bad week, it's maybe closer to one fifty.
But we're talking like between one hundred and fifty and
two hundred and fifty thousand people. And people can deny
it all they want, but like every time we talk
about it on the chat, you know, on the YouTube
chat you can ask anybody, lots of people are watching

(14:24):
on Max. I quit watching, like I only watch on
Max all the shows. I don't think it's crazy that
two hundred and fifty thousand people are watching AW on Max.
But what is what? I find it hard to believe
that if you add in TBS and TNT the viewership
of Dynamite Collision, especially Dynamite, and you add in the

(14:48):
Max viewership, what this would be saying is that Raw
and Dynamite are basically neck and neck. And I can't
buy that just from looking at what are these shows
drawing to the buildings, How many people are showing up
for the shows? You know, what are they drawing for television?
What are they drawing when they go on the road?

(15:09):
You know, how are they doing in terms of big shows?
How are they doing in terms like every aspect of business.
I cannot believe that Raw on Monday Night and Dynamite
on Wednesday are essentially doing the same viewership. Maybe that's
the case, but I think something is really weird with
these Netflix numbers. I can't buy that Raw on Monday

(15:31):
two weeks ago did nine hundred and eighty three thousand viewers.
It doesn't make any sense, but that's that's allegedly the number.
So you know, it was easy in the old days
when everybody, like, whatever you think about Nielsen ratings, whether
you think they're accurate or not, at least like they
were all Nielsen ratings, So whether they were accutate or not,
they were all you could compare them all. Now when
we've got Netflix has this wacky number and whatever, you know,

(15:56):
Max has who knows, I mean, we don't know. Back
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Speaker 2 (16:14):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (16:23):
You know, Tony Kahn's doing a media call right now.
You know he just said he said Max is still
building pay per view capability. I remember I said that
like six eight months ago, and we had these fellas,
one in particular, who said, you're wrong. They could do

(16:44):
pay per view if they wanted, they should hire me.
I could have it set up and actually said that
if they hired me, I'd have it set up immediately.
Well they're still building.

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It, so.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Whatever, All right, we got to talk about this this
Dynamite show.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It was.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It was a very good go home show for the
show this weekend, and we still have Collision coming up tonight.
So we had a Hangman Will Osprey face to face,
which I thought was excellent. Two baby faces. They both
really want the title for their own reasons. They both
there was no physicality, nothing, They just both stated their

(17:26):
case and to be honest, I mean, I don't think
they're gonna do a turn or anything like that. But
of the two, you know, Osprey was the one that
kind of had the edge there at the end of
the heel edge and he said that he was going
to he was gonna take out hang Man. What are
you gonna do about it? Wrap a chair around my skull?
Beat me so bad I have to retire, like Chris Daniels.

(17:48):
Hangman was very upset about that, and they ended up
drinking together and it was excellent. Like if you want
to see a great go home section for a match,
this is it. And when it was over, I mean,
Will Osprey is asked for the main event slot at

(18:08):
the pay per view. It definitely feels like the most
important match on the show because it does seem like
the winner of this match is going to all in
and winning that title from John Moxley. Seems like a very,
very very important match. But man, I'm not sure about
following that anarchy in an arena. I just don't know

(18:29):
if I'd do that, but that's what he wanted. Then
we had Moxley and the Young Bucks versus Joe, Swerve
and Hobbs. Party match. Excellent match, great heat. The finish
was Joe choking out Nick pin Matt Clean with a cradle,
which was revenge for I think about a week ago

(18:49):
when Matt pinned him with a small package. And then
the Death Writers came out and we had Shabbada, Marina Willow,
Kenny oh Omega, everybody running wild and it was kind
of amazing because like they did a challenge afterwards with
Joe say, we're gonna beat you guys up tonight. Why

(19:10):
wait for Sunday? But I will say, you know, at
this point in the show, we still didn't know who
was in the anarchy in the arena match, and honestly, honestly,
right now we still don't really know. They've announced a
match and it was Simojo Shabata, Swerve, Hobbes, Omega and

(19:31):
Willow against Moxley, Claudio Wheeler, Young Bucks and Marina. So
six on six, but they announced this before they did
the main event segment, which saw the return of Gabe
Kid to uneven the odds in favor of the Heels
and so like. Officially at this point it's six on six.

(19:53):
I think it's gonna be seven on seven and Gabe
Kid will be added and probably the return of Eddie
Kingston on the Babyface side, but again we don't know.
We shall I guess find out on Sunday or maybe tomorrow,
but probably Sunday. We had the Hurt Syndicate segment and

(20:16):
the MVP MJF contract signing, and this was kind of
one of those things. You know, we had a guy
call say, you know what what what names some storylines
that were like really really great, but the payoff was
kind of whatever. And granted this wasn't the full payoff,
because I'm sure there's more to come. But last week
MJF was accepted into the Hurt Syndicate, but they said

(20:40):
next week you must sign the contract, and so I
think myself and everybody on the planet figured, okay, well
something's going down next week. Ain't gonna be good for MJF.
But instead what they did is MJF signed the contract,

(21:00):
the other guys signed the contract, and then Dustin Rhodes
and Sammy just came out and cut a promo for
the tag match. There was no angle, there was no surprise, nothing.
They just I don't even know why we needed to
extend it another week after they accepted him last week.

(21:22):
So it felt like, well, maybe there was gonna be
something that happened, but so many people were figuring it
out that they just shifted and they'll do the turn later.
But man, it was weird. I mean, this was a
weird one. So then we had Rikoshet and Anthony Bowens
and you know, Bones came out kind of had the

(21:44):
booboo face, got beat when Billy Gunn did something stupid
for reasons unknown, and Ricochet jabbed him with the scissors,
pinned him, and then Bones was out of there and
they did an angle with Mark Briscoe and Ricochet, and
I mean, you know they do they do wins and
losses and everything, and you know they don't do a
lot of screw job finishes, but man, they this felt.

(22:09):
This felt like when you used to watch we and
you know a guy would get a push for three
weeks and then you know Vince would give up on him.
That's what this felt like here. So we'll see what
the future is for Anthony Bowens. We had Renee interviewing
Mercedes and Jamie. I thought it was pretty good. Not
nearly as good as the segment with will Ospray and
hang Man, but it was fine and ended up with

(22:31):
a brawl unlike the opening segment, and Jamie later out
with eight or eight. So the way they pretty much
everybody books, I think it's pretty clear we're getting Mercedes
and Tony at all in and the main event. It's
gonna be a very interesting to look at the quarters here,
because yes, I realized that Joe said, you know this,

(22:55):
this anarchy in the arena is going to start tonight,
but he said that like an hour and a half earlier,
and even though I saw it an hour and a
half later, there'd been no mention of it. And I
watched Mina Shirakaw and Julia Hart and I thought, wow,
this is the main event. This is it. I would
not have done this for a main event, so I
mean it was fine. Mina Shirakaw was awesome. Julia hard

(23:19):
could very much do with a tour of Japan do
a bunch of indie dates. I mean, she is one
of many in aw that you know, they're basically where
they were five years ago, and it's just not enough reps.
You can't improve doing a show a month or less,
especially if you've been injured. So it was just a

(23:42):
huge gulf in like the ability of these two women.
Mina was incredible and she won obviously, and then Julie went. Afterwards,
sky Blue hit the ring, Tony Storm hit the ring,
had a big brawl, and then like I thought that
was good. You know, they did the face to face
with will Ospray and Hangman. They didn't any physicality, and
I don't think this one needed any either, But Mina

(24:06):
attacked Tony put her in the figure four around the post.
Tony sold it big, and this one to me felt
like I don't think we needed this one. I think
it was just fine to do the match, do the angle.
Plus there's gonna be a bunch of as we found
out afterwards, physicality afterwards with the Anarchy and the arena crew.

(24:27):
So the Bucks go to leave Matt in a cocky manner,
says this. Joe said he was gonna attack us before
we left, but we're leaving and he did an attack us,
so he is a pathological liar, and he winks and
goes to leave, and of course here comes Joe and
we have the wild brawl, and you know, the Babyfaces
are are doing well. But then Gabe Kid shows up

(24:50):
and they did the record scratch with the music they
had playing, and the Heels took over Omegan Swerve got
put through tables by the Bucks and the Heels stood
a tall. So we'll see what they do on Sunday.
I mean, you know, the Death Writers lost the Trios titles.

(25:12):
That was the first crack in the armor. But I
think that maybe the best course of action is for
Moxley to get the pin in Anarchy in the arena
because he should be very strong going into the championship
match against the Swerve Hangman or the Hangman and Osprey

(25:32):
winner at the pay per view. So I think that
I think that he should get the win in that match,
and then whoever ends up winning, that's your big match
coming up at all in So, that was dynamite. I
thought it was a very good go home show, and
then tonight we have got the Collision Show, and I

(25:53):
was told in terms of like wrestling, good show, but
it doesn't look like they did a whole bunch of angles.
The big heavy angle show for the pay per view
was Dynamite, So we've got Commander and Speedball versus Rush
and Realistico. Mercedes Monet defends the TBS title against Reyna Isis.

(26:14):
I have no idea why this is a championship match.
I mean, they had the video package, that's all great
and good, but this is another one of those. They've
done this before too. It's like Mercedes has a big
match coming up at the pay per view, why is
she in a random title match on the Collision before
the pay per view. I think it's ridiculous, but that's
what they did. FTR and Daniel Garcia and Nigel McGinnis

(26:38):
will do the contract signing. Kyle Fletcher versus Jay Lethal.
The Paragon will face the Grizzled Young Vets. They've built
that up for several weeks. Josh Alexander faces aar Fox,
the much maligned ar Fox, Mistico Templorio and Mascriderada versus
Volador Junior Magnus and Ruhido, which sounds awesome, and Takeushta

(27:02):
and rapung Device versus Bandido and the Outrunners, and it
was essentially told good wrestling. You know, you can probably
figure out the finishes to nearly all the matches even
without and I don't know the finishes, guys, I mean,
I have no spoilers for you. But that's uh, that's
Collision tonight. And also tonight is Impact with Joe Here

(27:23):
and Elijah versus Moose and Brian Myers, AJ Francis and
Casey Navarro versus Santana and Sammy Callahan mister Stone and
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That's right. How are you feeling after Well? I guess
it's probably been a few weekends. But saw a couple
of weekends ago. So os we partied in Seattle, didn't we?

Speaker 11 (31:39):
Well?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know about partying but we hung out a
little bit. How was the show? What'd you think?

Speaker 11 (31:46):
I loved it. I always loved wrestling out west on
the West Coast, especially the SITH Northwest because honestly some
of the best talent, best locker rooms that I've ever
been in, So I always enjoyed going out there.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It is. It is such a change from back in
the day, all of these great promotions and shows and
locker rooms. I mean, how often do you get out
to SOS So It.

Speaker 11 (32:10):
Used to be a lot more often. I would get
a lot of loops out there, but this year it
hasn't been as much as I like because I just
have a lot going on with movies, TV stuff like that.
I'm kind of like struggling a lot of different things
at once. But I try to get out to the
West Coast whenever I can, really because I love it
out there. I really actually enjoyed my time this there,

(32:31):
this week, I mean last week, because the crowds were
just erupting singing my entrance songs. That's up than that,
you know, the feeling you can't be that feeling.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, this is a hot crowd phenomenal now, you you know.
I was surprised. This is actually the first time we
ever met in person at that show, and I don't know,
I never thought about it, but I was surprised to
learn you're only twenty five. Yeah, God, you're like a child.
You were born in the year two thousand.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
No twenty six, men in twenty six.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh you're about turn twenty six.

Speaker 11 (33:08):
Okay, so you're born yeah April thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Okay, So you were born in the nineties. Yeah, that's
not so bad. There's a very tail end. But well,
I mean, you know, you, you know, you're very young
and uh, but you're already kind of moving into uh
looking at way movies and television slots. I mean, is
are you looking at like? Man? You know, how long
can I do this at twenty six? Or what are

(33:34):
you thinking?

Speaker 11 (33:36):
So for me, it's just I believe make the most
of every opportunity given right, and I love wrestling. I
will never stop wrestling until my body tells me stop.
But I think, why not venture out into other things
and become more valuable in wrestling? Right? I think so
many wrestlers that you could your name went to Hollywood,

(33:58):
went to acting, and they became biggert. So I feel
as if why not do the same, why not try
and grow in other ways? And so I have been
very lucky. I've gotten to do a few movies already
and a TVs here is that's coming up very soon.
And it's been really rewarding, you know, getting to learn
different things, be in different places, meet different people, and

(34:18):
just become more well rounded. And I believe it will
help me in the long one in parrestling, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Around your age, I also was kind of interested in
doing some acting. And what I did was like around here,
we got the Seattle Film Institute, and there's a lot
of stuff that film's around here, and I just started
going all of these different auditions, and you know, I
got some little things here and there, some commercials and
some student films, and then you kind of put a

(34:46):
resume together and then you go to auditions. Is that
essentially what you did?

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Pretty much? Know, someone from of my family kind of
had a spot open for the first time on a
movie called Frequency of Miracles, and uh, but me for it.
I did it. I made tons of connections at that
screen at that doming and it turned into another film.
Actually I just filmed last Wednesday. I can't get into

(35:13):
much detail about it, but it's gonna be a really
really awesome movie. Uh peep up. The cast is insane
and yeah, so it just a lot of things steamroll
when you when you make one thing happen, more and
more things happen, and when you make yourself available for
these things to happen, it really can take off. So yeah,

(35:34):
kind of just I'm kind of going with the flow,
wrestling every single week and then taking whatever comes. But
I feel as if I'm enjoying getting more and more
opportunities and being more and more busy because why not.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Now, how does it work in terms of let's say
you get some role and you're gonna you're gonna do
something for a film, and you know how normally works
is they they film everything and then you know, once
everything is wrapped, sometimes they'll need you again for okay,
well we need to redo this thing here, or we
need to you know, you got a voice over something
here or whatever. Has Has this ever gotten in the

(36:08):
way of a wrestling booking?

Speaker 11 (36:10):
No, so luckily they've been very lenient. Or to be honest,
every time that I've been needed something's always a weekday,
I believe, or weekend I'm not even wrestling, so it's
pretty It's been pretty good. I haven't acually had to
pull off honey rows before of it. So I filmed
this upcoming wrestling TV theory is called Mister Reset, and

(36:35):
I've had to go back and film a few things
over and over again. But they're very lenient. They know
wrestling the weekend, so they kind of booked everything during
the week which is awesome and I'd love it to
do that for us.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
What have you learned from your time doing acting and
television and film and such that you have brought to wrestling.

Speaker 11 (36:57):
Wow, it's a great question. Uh, pretty much. Ways to
deal with pressure, because being on a camera is just
I've done it for so many years wrestling, and I
feel as if it's it's very similar in some ways.
You know, wrestling is kind of no retries, No you
have one take, so but I would tell you the

(37:17):
way I deal with pressure in the way that the
pressure is applied is different. But I guess it's good
practice to be mentally under pressure so that I just
been able to adapt to these things, you know what
I'm saying, or able to be in the situations so
that I can learn and be malleable for any type

(37:39):
of situation I'm going to be in.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
So the flip side, it's a mental thing. And the
flip side is what have you taken from wrestling and
that you have applied to your versioning film career a lot.

Speaker 11 (37:54):
So I've I'm very good to improv. So I'm from
wrestling of course, all these years promos or on the cuffs,
you know, in ring promos or backstage interviews, and I
view that and it's got me got me pretty good,
so success so far. So I would say wrestling has
given me such a tremendous uh skill at being able

(38:15):
to improv and being able to work under pressure and
be able to just take a step back and perform
my best. And you know, it's amazing how how wrestling
has taught me that and gotten me to where I
am now.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
So obviously, when when you are a wrestler who then
transitions to TV or film, I mean there's there's various
characters that you can play. And obviously, if your character
in a movie or film is a big, bombastic, you know,
pro wrestling style character, well it's easy to just be
a pro wrestler. But if your if your role is

(38:54):
to be more of a normal person, not a big,
bombastic character.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's actually very different from wrestling because in wrestling you
want to be big, and you don't necessarily want to
be that big when you're playing a role for film.

Speaker 11 (39:12):
Interesting, Okay, I mean I have not played anything that
outlandish yet, but I'm looking forward to learning, you know
what I mean. I actually I'm in talk to some
films in South America. It's fun yesterday, you know. So
I don't know what to respect, but I'm obviously gonna
give to get my all, of course, with everything that
I'm given. But the TV series Mister Reset, I'm playing

(39:35):
myself Viny Power punch s Pacifico. So it's kind of easy, yeah,
to do that because it's my wrestling character. But a
lot of the other films that I've done have been
very an interview based for the most part also, so
it's kinds of just me peeling back, you know, the
curtain a little bit of my life and just talking
about getting Bully going off and just being somebody who

(39:57):
wants to inspire. And so I would say that like
it's film, I hadn't really had to act.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
For those couple of movies I just did, sure.

Speaker 11 (40:04):
But it's actually expanded me to mental health and uh like, So,
for example, does a TV show coming out very soon
called Men Speaking? Is that it's at the roundtable. Four
people sit in a chair and talk about mental health,
self love, dealing with life's hardest obstacles. And I got

(40:25):
chance for it. So one thing leads to the other,
leads to the other, leads to the other. So and
they all see each other and they're all positive things.
So I'm very, very grateful for all these things.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So did you have you had issues in your life
with mental health or or what was your role in this?

Speaker 11 (40:46):
Yeah? So growing up, you know, I got bullied in
school for like and wrestling, you know, and it really
wasn't fun. I've always told you can't. You don't deserve this,
you don't deserve that. Like I was like playing football
and I got terrible bully just for wearing a John
sena shirt, even with the un football team as the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
You know.

Speaker 11 (41:05):
So I had to do a lot of bullying going up,
and self esteem issues and kinds of I never really
thought of my had self love, right, but I through
my marriage and through finding my wife, I've developed self
love through her, which is amazing. She's helped me learn
to love myself and now I try to just you know,

(41:26):
express self love and try to you know, inspire people
to learn to love themselves and to believe in themselves
and take a step forward and take a chance on
themselves to believe that they could do anything they want
to do. And that's kind of been my really, my
my thing is like I want people to be able
to love themselves enough to believe in themselves to do
the thing that they're scared to do. But hey, if

(41:48):
they want to. Like, for example, there are people who
want to wrestle but don't don't They don't believe they
could do it. They don't think they they don't think
they have whatever it takes to do it. I think,
screw that. Love yourself enough and believe yourself enough to
do it and try to try the goals that you
have in life because you only live once.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
So so essentially this is this is very easy to
work into a babyface character.

Speaker 11 (42:11):
I guess. So, I mean that's true, yeah, but it's
all legit. You know, I've dealt with this the whole life,
and you know, I've had to look in the mirror
and learn to love who I am. And and I'm
very grateful that I have an amazing woman by my
side who teaches me that and taught me how to
love myself. So I try and always in buy other
people to take those steps forward, to create self love

(42:33):
and to work on themselves because you live in your mind.
You live in your mind, and no one else knows
what you're going through. So I just think, you know,
you have to take care of mental health first.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know, I don't want to, I don't want to
make light of mental health or anything like that. But
this this very much reminds me of John Cena, where
he was a babyface. It was always never give up,
and if you go on on his Twitter social media,
like every day he had some new motivational quote and yeah,
and so then he turned heel. Okay, And when he

(43:08):
turned heel, I had all of these great ideas, like
this guy needs to do his motivational quotes, but they
should be like just quit or don't get out of
bed today. I thought there were like all these things
that he could do to like make this character like,
you know, play off the anti John Cena, But instead
he just did the same John Cene. He's just a
bad guy now yelling at people. So have you ever

(43:30):
have you ever played the heel role. I've only seen
you doing babyface stuff.

Speaker 11 (43:34):
Yes, I've played the heel role plenty of times. I
love being a heel because it's literally me, like at
the opposite of me. You know, I'm an annoying version
of myself. I'm more dislikable. And yeah, I love playing Neil,
but I've often a face. But when I get to
be a heel, I really sit back and I enjoy it,
you know, because these fans get really rowdy and they

(43:54):
give the middle finger and they curse at you, and
it's it's really cool to have different tyes, of different
sides of the coin. You know, when they come out
and they love you, and then you know, you go
to a different town, you come out and they just
get in your face, give you your real finger, tell
you to goes through yourself. You know, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
So so do you make do you make the call? Like,
let's say you're going to a town you've never been
to before, do you make the call going in or
are you? Are you and your opponents sort of like,
you know, whatever, However, they react to me like that's
the way we're going here.

Speaker 9 (44:26):
You know.

Speaker 11 (44:26):
Usually I'm brought into baby face for the most most part.
You know, even in Europe, I was brought in a
baby's face. But if I get told otherwise, they want
me to be a heel. They want me to they
want to challenge me and say, oh, Vinny, you know,
I want to see a deal. Can I have no
problem doing it. And it's literally just the same character,
just switch to a different uh detective. You know. So

(44:47):
it's like, as opposed to me drinking and edgy drink
poking up, how about drink anergy drink and spew it
into your opponent's face, in your eyes and they can't see.
And then that could combined.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 11 (44:56):
So it's kind of two sides of the you know
coin where it's like, you know, come out energize. I'm
not ready to go. I could still be energized as
a bad guy, but I just do it in a
really more annoying way.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
All right, Well hold that thought back in a moment
Observer Live.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simpervv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Back of the show, Brain Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Vinnie Pacifico is joining us here today. I love saying
that name, and Vinnie, what do you got? Coming up?
A lot?

Speaker 11 (45:37):
A lot so in private screening fore of my films
on this Monday, this Sunday, I wrestle in Connecticut for
for Wrestling, Magic and Taiju. I will be heading to
Florida very shortly in the next couple of weeks to
do CCW in Kissing Me and CCW in Port Saint
Lucy in Game of War, their biggest OH of the year.

(46:00):
And a lot going on. You know, I got some
West Coast. I got March thirty first, I come back
to Seattle or not Northwest Pro March or May for
the title?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
What's up May thirty first?

Speaker 11 (46:12):
Yep? May thirty first?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
All right, you said March? All right, May thirty first?

Speaker 10 (46:15):
Maybe?

Speaker 11 (46:15):
Oh right, my bed May thirty first. So yeah, a
lot going on. I'm very grateful for everything, and I
just I'm ready for it.

Speaker 9 (46:22):
All.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, we got ten seconds here. What's your favorite state
to wrestle in?

Speaker 9 (46:27):
Wow?

Speaker 11 (46:28):
Favorite states of wrestling? I will have to say.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oregon really Oregon.

Speaker 11 (46:33):
Yeah, Oregon or Seattle.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yes, I would not have expected that. Nothing against Oregon
or anything. It's beautiful, but uh man, you got the
whole country here. You got lots of sun over there
on the east coast Florida.

Speaker 11 (46:45):
So interesting, No, I know, but I do love. I
do love the crowds, and I'm northwest Northwest. They've been
amazing to me for many, many years.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, I want to thank you so much for doing
the show today. Best of lug where everything. We'll do
this again soon. Maybe I'll try and head out May
thirty first if I can, and and all the best,
good luck with everything.

Speaker 11 (47:02):
He remember, friend appreciates you, and.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Of course thanks everybody for listening. We're out of time,
but we'll talk to you on Friday. Wrestling Observer Live.

(47:49):
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