December 20, 2024 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I'm back. I was gone yesterday, talk about it. Have
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But I am back here today and we have a
lot to talk about, including tonight's aw Dynamite. We got
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eight things announced for the show. Seven things we'll talk
about that. It is the Continental Classic, Gold League and
Blue League matches and more. It includes Will Osprey and
Darby Allen and Shelton, Benjamin and the Beast Morts. Is
Beast finally going to get a big win? Well, we'll
find out tonight, so we'll talk about that. We got
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a Ring of Honor Final Battle coming up on Friday.
We had NXT last night, and last night they actually
taped two episodes of NXT. They did the live show
and then a tape show, and they've got another tape
show coming up on Thursday. So on Thursday, all of
NXT through the end of the year is going to
be all wrapped up. And well, I'm not gonna do spoilers,
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but I did. It's one of those nights where before
I watched NX, I had a lot of people telling me, oh, man,
wait till you see this Javan segment, and I was like,
oh man, of course, what do they do now, Everyone's
like presuming I'm gonna be infuriated. I actually didn't mind
it at all, and I'll tell you why. So we'll
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Speaker 4 (06:33):
Don't do it. Don't fight that battle.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Don't I'm not even starting on that. Don't tell me
what I'm starting with?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I was supposed to do a meeting yesterday right when
this show started. You know what happened? Here we go,
Nothing happened. I waited and I waited, and I waited,
and I emailed and I texted and I waited. I
waited all the way through the show. I could have
done the show yesterday. And then I waited and I waited.
(07:03):
Six thirty Eastern I finally get an email. Oh I'm sorry.
Oh well, we're gonna try again tomorrow. But I made
it abundantly clear I'm out of here at eleven fifty
five Pacific because I got a show to do. So
I hear you held down the fort fairly well, yes,
(07:25):
so I was actually listening to a lot of it.
I heard what you said. Hello, Yeah, it's going out
with my headphones now.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I don't know. It's those Sony's you got there.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That was week the brand new I'm not evenna get
into the Tony Storm thing from yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No wait, no, no, I was looking in the Twitch
chat before we started here and apparently, no.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Don't you're going Why are you trying to go down
this road? I'm not going down this road.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, I'm I'm just pointing out to you that Chelsea
Green is Oh God is uh is big on social
and you are playing by falling into what these people
want you moving on.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
In a new investigative piece out Wednesday, former ESPN Senior
VP of Production and current WA Head of Median Production,
Lee Fitting was fired by his former employer after being
accused of years of misconduct behind the scenes, which included
both sexually suggestive comments and objectifying comments towards women. WWE,
(08:27):
owned by TKO, did not provide a comment to the
athletics last New York Times. Fitting was hired by WWE
in January after being fired by ESPN Disney late August
twenty twenty three. Had been working for over twenty five years,
headed up the popular college Game Day show. Complaint was
made to ESPN's HR department regarding Fitting, which led to
(08:52):
a further investigation. He was fired shortly thereafter. The three spokesperson,
the forty nine year old denied some of the allegations
to the media outlet, while not addressing others. He also
declined to comment on the broader characterization of him as
someone who mistreated women during his tenure at ESPN or
why he was let go by the network outlets spoke
(09:12):
to more than twenty women since, six of which were
talked to as part of the investigation. Among the accusations,
in twenty twelve, while around employees, he commented on a
non employee's ability to chug beer, opine she would be
good at oral sex. He denied this happening. Twenty fourteen,
he offered up his lap for a woman to sit
(09:33):
after there were no remaining chairs in a production meeting.
He denied this happening. He sent a text to a
female employee twenty eighteen that read, quote, you look hot.
Apparently that one was not denied. He made jokes about
performing bed checks and jokingly jokingly in quotations as the
female staffer for her hotel room number. He denied this happening.
(09:55):
He discussed and bragged about he and his wife's sex life.
Apparently that was not quote. When he saw a woman
in an outfit he liked, he let her know. Sometimes
in ways women and other employees found crude and or humiliating,
and around twenty seventeen, an employee asked to meet with
(10:15):
fitting in New York City to discuss opportunities. She claimed
he asked if he should go get a hotel room
for the night, which she interpreted as a room for
the two of them. He said she misinterpreted the claim
and that he was asking if he should get a
conference room. To the allegations of him commenting on women's looks, hairstyles, outfits,
(10:38):
his spokesperson leaf fitting has a spokesperson said quote, it
was his job to provide feedback to male and female
on air talent regarding their appearance and on air delivery.
Things begin to turn against him in twenty twenty three
after he scandal broke regarding falsified submissions for Emmy Awards,
which led to College Game Day getting thirty statues. They
(11:00):
never actually won what?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, that situation this is above, didn't they got thirty thirty? Yeah,
but there's an asterixk on what that is. Because you
get an Emmy Award, the hosts don't get one, believe
it or not. So let's say this show was to
win an Emmy Award, we wouldn't actually win the Emmy.
(11:24):
Jared would win the Emmy, Dom would win the Emmy,
Daniel would win the Emmy. All those people. So what
he did was he would kind of like fudge names.
So if the person's name was I don't know, who's
somebody on ESPN, you know, Andrea Kramer or whatever it
would say, like Andy Kremer or something. That's what he
(11:47):
did to change the name so that the talent would
actually receive statues. That's why he did that. So is
it something I guess moral to do. No? Is it
in the grand scheme of things, the worst thing in
the world. No. In fact, it's kind of silly, and
it's a really silly rule that they have. Now there's
this other stuff which is completely different, as Brian types away.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Now, noh, yeah, I gotta figure something out.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Here at the vae.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay, hold on a second. Here, here's here's my question
for Lea fitting. Okay, so if you look behind me,
I got a YouTube plaque. Okay, yes, we got for
for one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, which, by the way,
when you're watching on YouTube right now, go and hit
that subscribe button.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Thank you subscribe.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But anyway, they sent the plaque and then there's like
a little piece of paper that's like if you want
to order additional plaques, yes, like you can. You want
one for Mike, you want one for Dave, you want
one for Vinnie, You want one for dom whoever? Like
it can be done that way. So you tell me
that this guy there were Emmys and he wanted to
get these Emmy statues for the other people involved. Yeah,
(12:54):
and so he like, okay, here's my question. Go ahead,
All the Express A good, All the Express eighty seven
ninety five. I mean, why couldn't he have just gone
and bought like a bunch of replicas. That was your
solution to get everybody else an Emmy statue was to
fudge everything.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Brian, because they're replicas. It's like somebody getting a replica
super Bowl ring. No, you want to have the actual
Tiffany or whoever makes these things. And it is kind
of ridiculous that they have a separate role for hosts
and for the show when it's not all about technical
when it comes to the show, it's about the overall show,
(13:36):
which includes the host. So it's one of those silly
things when it comes to the Emmy Awards that he
was just trying to do a workaround so the people
like a Laura Rutledge would get credit for her work
on a show or whoever it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Would be well anyway, multiple people said they ascribe to
an HR official instances in which they believe Fitting engaged
in inappropriate conduct and are discriminated against women. Two current
ESPN executives briefed about the result of the investigation said
the findings gave the company a little choice but to
let Fitting go. Fitting through a spokesperson the client to
(14:11):
address why his employment was terminated by ESPN. No comment
from WWE yet. We'll see if we get any.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I don't know if that now leads because that was
the big story about Fitting from before, and it made
for a big headline like this guy falsified things. Then
you looked at the story and you found it to
be kind of like this is kind of a ridiculous technicality,
kind of a dumb thing. Now all of this adds
some big layers on and for ESPN it's bad because
(14:42):
ESPN's got a history of these sorts of things. Anyway,
there's that book that's out. You know, those guys have
all the fun and they've tried to move past a
lot of this, but there always seems to be something
that takes place there Steve Phillips situation. There's always something
that seems to take place, So that's bad for them.
The environment that they've gotten, and then you look at
(15:03):
where he went to WWE, that was trying to shed
themselves of a lot of that stuff. And obviously this
is going to be a sticking point here when it
comes to the media and how people perceive WWE and
moving forward. If they have Lee fitting over here, if
they did those if he did those things. At the
very least, what you can say about the things that
(15:24):
you said were that he got way too familiar with
his his on air talent. That's the least you can
say about what they have. It could be worse than that.
Maybe it's not. We'll have to find out, and it's
going to be interesting to see how TKO now deals
with that.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, we'll be back in a moment and dom if
you and Byline want to get me and Mike replical
Marconi's I ain't gonna complain all the express back in
a moment Observer Live.
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You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (16:18):
Man, I cannot find a replica Marcon.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I actually have to win one.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Do you still give out Marconi?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, there's a twenty twenty four Marconi winner. It happens.
Damn yes, hey, listen to the next segment. I should
mention we got a special guest, Michael Kingston On got
a lot to talk about, including Bigfoot. I'll explain later.
All right, Uh, last night's NXT this was a classic example,
(16:48):
a classic example of one of those shows where everybody
starts emailing me, oh man, Brian's gonna lose it? Can
do you?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Can you?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Did you see what they did to Javan? I can't
believe it? And I watched it. I was like, dude,
that was awesome, Like I got no problem with that whatsoever,
because he's in a feud now. So what happened was, well,
you got poor, uh poor what's his face? Ethan Page?
He's all sad, he's just losing right and left and
(17:20):
he's he's uh, they're in Lowell, Massachusetts. You knew this
was gonna happen? Did anyone not know this was gonna happen? Anybody?
So he's in he's in Lowell and he comes down
to the ring and he has lost his smile, just
like Sean Michaels did in Lowell, Massachusetts, like twenty five
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years ago. So he comes out and he's all sad
and he's talking about his family, and like the fans
aren't buying one second of this. They don't believe this
guy for one second.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's because he didn't get beat up by a marine.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
They're booing him and he's he's acting like he's about
to quit. And uh, thirty five years ago, that old
that wasn't thirty five, I wasn't ten, it was it
was nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You weren't ten thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Full, it was thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Anyway, The point is this out comes Javon Evans, and man,
is there a bigger Javon Evans fan than me? Clearly,
no one reals, no one that works, there's a bigger fan.
It's like this guy is he's so great in the ring.
He's got so much charisma that people love this guy
(18:34):
and they just like treat him like anyway, you know
what else this guy can do. His brother can cut
a promo. Oh my god, he comes out here and
he does his promo about you know what, you came
here and all you did was brag and talk about
your accomplishments. But you know what that's not really you.
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I know the real Ethan Page. I saw the real
Ethan Page at heat Wave. Not what you did in
the match, but what you did after the match. You
won that title, and you looked at your family and
you told them I love you, and not everybody can
do that. That smile you had, that proud dad smile,
that proud husband smile, the smile of a guy who
(19:19):
just busted. Is you know what for eighteen years to
get here where he deserves to be. You deserve to
be here. So from now on you should drop that
all ego. These fans here, they want to see the
real you. And if nobody else here is gonna say it,
because they're not gonna all say it, I am proud
of you, and I mean that from the bottom of
my heart. I was crying. I was like, man, what
(19:43):
a what a promo? What a promo?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What a promo?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Cole Lee And then Ethan takes the mic and he
hits him in the face and they did the blood gimmick,
and man, I don't know if this guy like he
hits he hits Javan and Javon goes down and so
Ethan goes outside to get like a chair or whatever
for the distraction, so you can't see whatever. I don't
(20:10):
know if they like slid him a thing this big
of cranberry juice. This guy had gallons of fake blood
in his mouth. And Ethan puts his chair around his
face and he stomps on it. And dude, I've been
watching Mid South and it's a guy's name Cowboy, you
(20:33):
stop already, shut up.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
He's the Asian guy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he puts the thing on the guy's neck and
they also killer, oh massa eito or something. Anyway, Uh,
that's not what happened here. He pilmanized this guy's neck. An,
you want no story, I'm gonna tell you a story.
All right, I'm gonna tell you what happened here, because
(20:59):
you know, Van and I are spirit animals. Something similar,
something similar. This is to happen to Javon last night,
happened to me. So this was this was probably twenty
years ago. This is this is the opposite of medical advice.
This is the opposite of medical What I did never
do this, Okay. So what I was doing was I
(21:23):
would go no carb for several days and then I
would have a carb up day. Okay, So you know
I was doing no carbs, no carbs, no car but
well it's car carb up day. So what I did
was I got a whole bunch of kool Aid packets,
straight pure sugar and red number five or whatever it is,
(21:48):
which is probably poisonous. So I just I made up
this thing of kool aid, a gallon, a gallon of
kool Aid. And the idea was, I was going to
go and do my last hard workout for the week,
and then I was going to begin my carbup and
I was gonna start by drinking a gallon of kool Aid.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So I went in and I worked out because it
was my last one before my car bup. I was,
you know, I'm gonna have this kool Aid. I'm gonna
eat doughnuts. This is the wrong way to do this everybody,
but I was young. So I went in there and
I worked out real hard, and I came outside and
I was all ready for that kool aid, and I
(22:34):
started chugging kool Aid. Now the issue was not just
that I was chugging kool aid. But for those of
you that have ever worked out, you know sometimes you
have that workout, we're like, you push it a little
further and you're like right on the verge of you know,
I actually, I actually I pushed it so hard I
(22:54):
might I might throw up. So I you know, I
cooled down, walked it off, got over that part where
you know I may throw up. Well, then I started
drinking that kool aid and I drank or in the
parking lot, I drank and I drank, and I drank,
and I drank and I drank and I drank, and
(23:18):
I realized I made a real big mistake. And right
there in the parking lot, I opened the driver's side
door and I vomited out a gallon of bright red liquid.
I can't believe nobody called, like the paramedics or got
like the airlifting coming in. I mean I it was
probably the most horrific thing anyone had ever seen. If
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anybody saw it, tell me guy opened the opened up
the door and just appeared to vomit a gallon of
blood after working out at the gym. Well, this is
exactly what Javon did when they stomped that guy's face.
He didn't just start spinning blood. He vomited red blood everywhere.
And I watched that. I thought, if there's there's any
(24:00):
child watching this program, that child will never be the same.
They will never ever, they will never be the same
after seeing him getting pilmanized and spewing blood every bro
I have two kids. If Paisley saw that, it would
be years of therapy, Oh my, years of therapy to
get over that one.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Jesus, don't show her the corner.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's a fireball, dude, that's not vomiting blood out of
your mouth after getting your neck pilmanized. So anyway, he's dead.
They got rid of him, took him out of there.
But I thought that was an amazing segment. Was going
to lie.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Although you are way overstating the amount of blood. You're
acting as if he was vomiting blood.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's spewed everywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
That was the thing. It was the splatter more than
the amountain. Yes, and how he sold it and it
was very well done. It was very well filmed. But
he is not like looking it up as if he's
the uh the kid from what was it the uh
Possessed movie or whatnot? You know, and hey listen sitting
out like.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It was so graphic that like when they like they
quickly went to commercial, and I was like, they're gonna
come back and they're gonna show the aftermath. They are
not going to replay that, and I was wrong. Of
course he replayed it again.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Dub Brother, Prama, Lee, Horror. You gotta build it up,
Trick Williams with thoughts in prayers immediately in the promo
following you, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He should have. And speaking of Trick, the main event
of the show. So Eddie Thorpe, he finagled his way
in to that title match tonight in the Great Angle
of NXT in twenty twenty four, and so I will say,
they're doing the match, and it's so they only got
like twelve minutes even less actually, and there's a commercial
break in the middle, and man, I gotta say they
(25:54):
came back. And I was like, this is the most
nothing happened in title match, Like what a nothing happened
in pay off? I was like really disappointed. And then
all of a sudden, the referee took a bump and
Eddie hits a paradigm shift, steals Moxley's finish and makes
the cover and he gets a ten second visual pinfall.
(26:16):
I was like, well, I guess they got an out
or whatever. And then another referee runs in and Eddie
hits two El generico running kicks in the corner steal
in everyone's spots. He goes for the third one, he
eats the trick knee, Trick falls on top of him.
You know how you guys are always like, oh, Sean's
living out all is this or that? And lost my
(26:37):
smile and whatever. Nobody even noticed what this was. They
had a very very famous match with Shawn Michaels and
Triple H might have even been like that hour long
match or whatever, but this was the finish where Sean
hit the super kick, fell on top of him, but
he falls on top of him too far, so his
shoulders are on the mat. They did that exact same
thing with Trick, and the referees both count a pin
(26:59):
and they clear them both the winner, and then they
go to Ava and the show goes off the air.
You know, the show goes off the air with classic
Ava has to make a decision. I was like, oh
my god, I never read spoilers, but I was like,
I gotta figure out what decision Ava makes because they
did this. They did this second taping afterwards. I'm like,
it's got to be like the dumbest thing ever like
(27:21):
I'm giving you both a new belt, or it's like
it asked me something stupid. She actually made the right call,
which I won't spoil here, but yeah, I thought overall
that was a very good show, but we got Michael
Kingston coming up, so we got to talk about that.
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You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (31:11):
The show Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike SIMPERVB
also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, Michael Kingson joining us
here today.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
How you doing, uh, doing good? Doing good? Run the
final stages of this campaign, So just no sleep till
the end.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I'm trying to to tweet this out, but Twitter sucks.
It's like not working right now. But I think it
finally did go out. If you guys want to go
to my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, my ex We've got
the link about how you can donate, how you can
help support this a Kickstarter. You and Gangrel Gangrel have
(31:55):
co written a comic about a promoter who trains Bigfoot
to wrestle in Portland in nineteen eighty five, the same
as same as family owned promotion from bankruptcy.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Oh you went underwater? Try that again? Can you confirm
that that's correct?
Speaker 10 (32:17):
Yeah, that was one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yes, Bigfoot is recruited this this this could almost be
a true story if there were like a Bigfoot, you
know what I'm.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Saying sort of the time. I mean, there's a lot
of you know, I like all the territory stuff, you know. Obviously,
while there does my covers, I spend a lot of
time talking to him and you know whatever, So there's
a lot of there's a lot of It really could
be a real story, like it it's grounded against a
lot of realities. Obviously the names are changed whatever it's
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not you know, it's not a word for word retelling.
But there's a lot of the factors that are sort
of occurring, you know, in that time period that you know,
it's sort of you know, and then Bigfoot is the
answer to everyone's problems. But yeah, it's I try to
I try to write absurd things, but like keep the
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keep the stuff authentic and grounded. As much as that
sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
A threat of reality to Bigfoot being recruited basically.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it's basically, uh, you know,
it's Portland Wrestling at nineteen eighty five and you know,
Gottera means coming in, and you've got drugs coming into
to Portland. You've got you know, outlaw companies, everybody's kind
of everybody's kind of surrounding the company, and you know,
what's this guy going to do to save himself? And it's, uh,
(33:43):
you know, he's gonna he's gonna have Everything's it's a
guy in a suit, right, but it's it's it's really Bigfoot,
and uh we open it with Bigfoot and rehab, so it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Rehab.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
That's that's how we open it, so give you any
kind of an idea of what kind of story this
is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
How did did Bigfoot get in the business through like
Terrible Ted the Wrestling Bear, or like did he approach
Jesse Barr or Sandy Bar or something like? Is there
an origin story in here on how Bigfoot broke into
the business.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Yes, the first issue is the origin story of how
it all comes to be, and that's uh. And then
we will get into, you know, the next couple issues.
We'll deal with the you know what happens from there.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now, did you or did Gang Grell come up with
the storyline here or was this a joint effort?
Speaker 10 (34:37):
This is a joint effort. Yeah, I uh so, you know,
I do tell us from the road and uh we uh.
The first time I met Dave when he was next
to me at a comic con and I asked him
if she wanted to do a story and he's like,
he's like yeah, he goes, we just put you know,
one word in your one word in your brain's like Bigfoot.
And then we spent the whole rest of the show
just kind of going back and forth about stuff and
(34:59):
h you know, he is right next to me. So
we just shoot ideas back and forth and we had
a pretty viable I feel like we had a pretty
viable story by the end of the first day. It's
just undergone some tweaking and whatnot, but it's uh, you know.
So we did like a six page little short story
for this as like a you know, years ago, and
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we had so much fun doing it. We're like, you know,
we could make this a whole series. And then in
twenty nineteen, there was an upstart comic book company. They
were going to do digital comics with like like sounds
and effects and stuff to it, like almost motion comics
but not really, and they were going to pay us
an absurd amount of money to be part of their launch.
(35:45):
It was like all these like top tier comics guys,
and then you know, me and Dave doing this wrestling
thing because they, you know, unlike a lot of people
in comics, they understood the whole the wrestling crossover. And
then they went out of business or the investors all
pulled out. The pandemic started, which is insane because that
was your moment. You're doing digital comics. People are stuck
at home.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
But oh, they would have made a bank Oh my god.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
People with money are generally some of the dumbest people
I know, like with that kind of money. But so yeah,
so unfortunately, So then they kind of sat for a
little bit, and then you know, we just kept talking
about I see David shows all the time and stuff,
and he texted whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's just
let's just do it ourselves. You know, I feel like
it's had a ton of it's had a ton of enthusiasm.
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You don't want to talk about it to people and stuff.
So we just figured we would give it a shot
and see if we could just build it ourselves.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So Gan Grell obviously does a vampire gimmicks I mean,
is he is? He big time into the paranormal. I
don't think I've ever interviewed the guy he is.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Yes, he's a big I mean big big Foot enthusiasts,
big you know, paranormal excellent paranormal guy. So it's funny
that I happen to have two books out right now
that are co created by guys with vampire gimmings.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So that's right.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
I have a Vamperio comic out too.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes, now, you know, I obviously do After Dark Radio.
We have a paranormal show which is moving to Sports
Byline January eighth, everybody, and I learned a long time
ago that there is a big cross over here wrestling
fans and paranormal fans. I mean, like, I don't even
pick the guests. Andrew Lutsky is my producer, and he
picks the guests. And I think we've only done like
(37:24):
four or five guests since I relaunched it. But like,
of those four or five guests, like at least two
of them, we ended up talking about wrestling afterwards because
they were like big wrestling guys. I had no idea
till it was over. So there seems to be a
cross over here.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
I mean, that's that's the hope. And I think it
would be fun to maybe take a year and do
you know, obviously do comic cons almost every weekend. I
think it would be interesting to try to pepper in
some some big Foot festivals and stuff like that. I
feel like it would just be a fun vibe to
you know, to just don't know, mix up the mix
up the show a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, hey, if you want to do Bigfoot conventions, I
mean I'm your man. I mean literally, there's one at
least every month in this area up here, and they're like,
they're they're pretty, they're shockingly big. Actually, I guess not
shockingly because I'm in the Pacific Northwest. But so this
this Kickstarter, I mean, is it ending today.
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Ends tomorrow at eight pm Eastern time. And we've got
a lot of cool stuff. We've got four really cool covers.
We have metal versions, like limited edition metal versions, and
we've got a shirt and Tumblr drink Tumblr that have
a really cool design that but I'm very happy about
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it static. It's one of the coolest things that we've made.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, I'm not really like a wrestling T shirt guy.
I have like none except ones that we make for
the site. But I will say that this this shirt
here with the Patterson Gimblin bigfoot dragging a chair and
underneath it says hay Fame. That's right up my alley.
I would wear that shirt. I would buy multiple actually
(39:06):
of that shirt. So that's a good one. That's when
you could wear anywhere.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I think, I agree. I agree, I uh, And that's
it's like that design is I don't know. I just
working on with Doug Hills who does Tails from the
Road with me and we're just kicking ournd ideas and
then it's just this is one of those things where
just sometimes things click and you're just like, oh man,
how did I not see this before? But I was happy.
I was happy you came up with it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Michael. For those people who are new to you, who
were some of your artistic favorites, and did you grow
up with comic books and wrestling magazines or you know,
how did you end up getting to this point where
things crossed over and merged for you?
Speaker 10 (39:45):
I love them both. Right about the same time. The
very first Saturday It's Made event was my entree into wrestling.
George's Animal Steele was the man who made me stop
flipping channels for a minute. And then and I, you know,
I just bought comics off the spinner rocks and stuff,
and then I got super into it and I realized
(40:06):
that nobody ever made good wrestling comics. They just made
i don't know, like hacked out license things and stuff
like that. And uh so then I just started I
started headlocked comics, and I started selling my books out
of my backpack at wrestling shows and just sort of
built a grassroots thing and making comics for fifteen years.
(40:26):
I'm in the middle of seven projects right now with
the ridiculous names, and we just our Vampira series just
got just got picked up for television development. The third
issues out in stores today, by the way. But it's
one of my it's one of my favorite things. These
two series are two of my favorite things that I've written,
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just because the I don't know, I like a little
bit of absurdity, and I've been I've been doing a
little more straightly stuff, so this is fun to be
able to kind of dabble in some other genres.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Now you got four different covers right here, and you've
got the I presume illustrators listed underneath. No Jerry the
King Wall or he didn't do a big Foot cover.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
Uh No, Unfortunately, h Jerry can't draw anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh man, I was gonna ask how he's doing. He
can't draw it all.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
I mean, not to his standards, you know what I mean,
Like he was, it's I think it's hard for him
to I think he can draw, but I think he
can't draw to the standards that he would consider acceptable.
And I think it's just another like it's just a
reinforces kind of what he's lost. Yeah, I think he's
lost a ton. I mean he's you know, I just
spent a couple of weeks with him in a week. Well,
(41:39):
I spent a week with in Memphis and then wearing
Galaxy con Columbus a couple of weeks ago, and I
mean he's you know, he's still fine, like you know,
just he just can't draw like you know, when he was.
I mean he was top tier, like one percent, you know,
grade egg whatever. And I think it's it's tough to
lose that.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So so so if somebody didn't know about what had
happened and they ran into him at a convention, I
mean would they would they not even think anything? It's like, oh,
he's he's doing all right?
Speaker 10 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean he's older, you know, it's you know,
but I mean, yeah, he's fine. I mean he's sometimes
he uh, you know, his words like I think a
lot of the you know, stroke survivors or whatever, his
words are a little hard to come by sometimes. But
I mean that's been improving little by little since since
it happened. So yeah, that's just uh. I mean he's
(42:32):
a seventy five year old guy too, so well yeah,
but I think for for a seventy five year old guy.
He's he's going pretty good.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Well, you talked about a lot of the hustle that
you had to go through to kind of build what
you've been doing, and you've been able to cross over
and work with a lot of folks and put out
some really great work. I do have some here, you know,
from the times you've been on is there anybody that
has approached you that you haven't had time to work
with that you really would like to do or vice versa.
(43:01):
Is there somebody that you have wanted to approach but
it's just a matter of timing.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
I mean, right now, I am up to my neck
in projects, so I haven't really been able to think.
I mean, in my my brain doesn't stop thinking. I mean,
I already have another sort of idea that I want
to develop. But I have a volume five of Headlocks.
I have volume four, Tails in the Road, Vampiro's got
more issues, and then you know, we got Bigfoot, and
(43:34):
I'm working on a I haven't announced it yet, but
I'm working on a project with as w W talent,
and I'm working on a biocomic too, So I'm running
for my life. Unfortunately, the changes that have happened when
social media have made it so much more difficult for me.
(43:55):
You know, a lot of Kickstarter is through social media,
just getting the word out and stuff like that. And
I mean, like we used to get like seventy five
to like one hundred and fifty backers through Twitter links,
and I think I have eleven right now. Like, I mean,
it's just been throttled to death. And you know, Facebook
(44:16):
is tough. I have a friend who's back all of
my kickstarters who literally just hurt, you know, and I
post about it on Facebook every day too, and he
just saw yesterday for the first time, so you know,
one day before the end. So I mean everything's been
throttled and then fragmented and stuff. So it's really hard
to get in front of people like it used to be.
And I don't know, and then WW just being such
(44:37):
a monster and everybody's putting out so much content, Like
it's tougher for me as a as an independent to
just you know, kind of get bannedwidth sometimes.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Sure, we'll stand by a way back in a moment
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You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Back going the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Mike smber VV, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Michael
Kingston joining us Headlocked Comics. We've got a Bigfoot comic
that is currently being funded for the next eighteen hours,
and Michael, let's get some plugs in about how people
can find it and how they can help.
Speaker 10 (45:34):
You can go to Kickstarter and just search Friday Night Bigfoot.
It'll come up. We are in the last bit of
the campaign. We need as much support as possible. We
really got high hopes for the series, and a lot
of these covers are only going to be available through
the campaign. Obviously not the main cover, but the variants
and stuff. So you know, I've already had a couple
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of people sniffing around Hollywood friends and stuff. You know,
get in early.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Maybe it'll be worth something that actually that this would
be an incredible film. This could be the Harry and
the Henderson's of our generation. Remember that movie. That movie
was horrible. Yes, this is one would have to be better,
but yes, everyone check it out. It's some on my
Twitter at Bryan Alvarez and uh and Headlock Comics as well.
And you know, even if even if a a comic
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gets to the goal, I mean, you know, anything above that,
it's still extremely helpful. Right, We're not just trying to
hit what the what the goal is and then be
done with it.
Speaker 10 (46:34):
Oh no, no, I mean I never asked for everything
I need. I mean it's but also I mean, anything
we make extra just goes right back into the next book.
It gets us ahead. You know. It's nobody gets into
comics to get rich. I just want to. I just
want to make comics and you know, do what I
do and have fun. So it's uh yeah, I go
(46:55):
pay my artists, pays my printer, you know, pays for
the merch and and then we start with the next one.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
All right, we're at a time oone it. Thanks so
much for doing the show today. Guys can check it
out on my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, Headlock Comics as
well search Kickstarter and Michael. Thanks so much for doing
the show today. Thanks everybody for listening, the other mics
always Schollers and listeners every the studio. We'll talk to
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But I am back here today and we have a
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about that. It is the Continental Classic, Gold League and
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Darby Allen and Shelton, Benjamin and the Beast Morts. Is
Beast finally going to get a big win? Well, we'll
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We had NXT last night, and last night they actually
taped two episodes of NXT. They did the live show
and then a tape show, and they've got another tape
show coming up on Thursday. So on Thursday, all of
NXT through the end of the year is going to
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but I did. It's one of those nights where before
I watched NX, I had a lot of people telling me, oh, man,
wait till you see this Javan segment, and I was like,
oh man, of course, what do they do now, Everyone's
like presuming I'm gonna be infuriated. I actually didn't mind
it at all, and I'll tell you why. So we'll
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Don't I'm not even starting on that. Don't tell me
what I'm starting with?
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How dare you?
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I was supposed to do a meeting yesterday right when
this show started. You know what happened? Here we go,
Nothing happened. I waited and I waited, and I waited,
and I emailed and I texted and I waited. I
waited all the way through the show. I could have
done the show yesterday. And then I waited and I waited.
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Six thirty Eastern I finally get an email. Oh I'm sorry.
Oh well, we're gonna try again tomorrow. But I made
it abundantly clear I'm out of here at eleven fifty
five Pacific because I got a show to do. So
I hear you held down the fort fairly well, yes,
(07:25):
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That was week the brand new I'm not evenna get
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No wait, no, no, I was looking in the Twitch
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Don't you're going Why are you trying to go down
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In a new investigative piece out Wednesday, former ESPN Senior
VP of Production and current WA Head of Median Production,
Lee Fitting was fired by his former employer after being
accused of years of misconduct behind the scenes, which included
both sexually suggestive comments and objectifying comments towards women. WWE,
(08:27):
owned by TKO, did not provide a comment to the
athletics last New York Times. Fitting was hired by WWE
in January after being fired by ESPN Disney late August
twenty twenty three. Had been working for over twenty five years,
headed up the popular college Game Day show. Complaint was
made to ESPN's HR department regarding Fitting, which led to
(08:52):
a further investigation. He was fired shortly thereafter. The three spokesperson,
the forty nine year old denied some of the allegations
to the media outlet, while not addressing others. He also
declined to comment on the broader characterization of him as
someone who mistreated women during his tenure at ESPN or
why he was let go by the network outlets spoke
(09:12):
to more than twenty women since, six of which were
talked to as part of the investigation. Among the accusations,
in twenty twelve, while around employees, he commented on a
non employee's ability to chug beer, opine she would be
good at oral sex. He denied this happening. Twenty fourteen,
he offered up his lap for a woman to sit
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after there were no remaining chairs in a production meeting.
He denied this happening. He sent a text to a
female employee twenty eighteen that read, quote, you look hot.
Apparently that one was not denied. He made jokes about
performing bed checks and jokingly jokingly in quotations as the
female staffer for her hotel room number. He denied this happening.
(09:55):
He discussed and bragged about he and his wife's sex life.
Apparently that was not quote. When he saw a woman
in an outfit he liked, he let her know. Sometimes
in ways women and other employees found crude and or humiliating,
and around twenty seventeen, an employee asked to meet with
(10:15):
fitting in New York City to discuss opportunities. She claimed
he asked if he should go get a hotel room
for the night, which she interpreted as a room for
the two of them. He said she misinterpreted the claim
and that he was asking if he should get a
conference room. To the allegations of him commenting on women's looks, hairstyles, outfits,
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his spokesperson leaf fitting has a spokesperson said quote, it
was his job to provide feedback to male and female
on air talent regarding their appearance and on air delivery.
Things begin to turn against him in twenty twenty three
after he scandal broke regarding falsified submissions for Emmy Awards,
which led to College Game Day getting thirty statues. They
(11:00):
never actually won what?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Okay, that situation this is above, didn't they got thirty thirty? Yeah,
but there's an asterixk on what that is. Because you
get an Emmy Award, the hosts don't get one, believe
it or not. So let's say this show was to
win an Emmy Award, we wouldn't actually win the Emmy.
(11:24):
Jared would win the Emmy, Dom would win the Emmy,
Daniel would win the Emmy. All those people. So what
he did was he would kind of like fudge names.
So if the person's name was I don't know, who's
somebody on ESPN, you know, Andrea Kramer or whatever it
would say, like Andy Kremer or something. That's what he
(11:47):
did to change the name so that the talent would
actually receive statues. That's why he did that. So is
it something I guess moral to do. No? Is it
in the grand scheme of things, the worst thing in
the world. No. In fact, it's kind of silly, and
it's a really silly rule that they have. Now there's
this other stuff which is completely different, as Brian types away.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Now, noh, yeah, I gotta figure something out.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Here at the vae.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay, hold on a second. Here, here's here's my question
for Lea fitting. Okay, so if you look behind me,
I got a YouTube plaque. Okay, yes, we got for
for one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, which, by the way,
when you're watching on YouTube right now, go and hit
that subscribe button.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Thank you subscribe.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But anyway, they sent the plaque and then there's like
a little piece of paper that's like if you want
to order additional plaques, yes, like you can. You want
one for Mike, you want one for Dave, you want
one for Vinnie, You want one for dom whoever? Like
it can be done that way. So you tell me
that this guy there were Emmys and he wanted to
get these Emmy statues for the other people involved. Yeah,
(12:54):
and so he like, okay, here's my question. Go ahead,
All the Express A good, All the Express eighty seven
ninety five. I mean, why couldn't he have just gone
and bought like a bunch of replicas. That was your
solution to get everybody else an Emmy statue was to
fudge everything.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Brian, because they're replicas. It's like somebody getting a replica
super Bowl ring. No, you want to have the actual
Tiffany or whoever makes these things. And it is kind
of ridiculous that they have a separate role for hosts
and for the show when it's not all about technical
when it comes to the show, it's about the overall show,
(13:36):
which includes the host. So it's one of those silly
things when it comes to the Emmy Awards that he
was just trying to do a workaround so the people
like a Laura Rutledge would get credit for her work
on a show or whoever it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Would be well anyway, multiple people said they ascribe to
an HR official instances in which they believe Fitting engaged
in inappropriate conduct and are discriminated against women. Two current
ESPN executives briefed about the result of the investigation said
the findings gave the company a little choice but to
let Fitting go. Fitting through a spokesperson the client to
(14:11):
address why his employment was terminated by ESPN. No comment
from WWE yet. We'll see if we get any.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I don't know if that now leads because that was
the big story about Fitting from before, and it made
for a big headline like this guy falsified things. Then
you looked at the story and you found it to
be kind of like this is kind of a ridiculous technicality,
kind of a dumb thing. Now all of this adds
some big layers on and for ESPN it's bad because
(14:42):
ESPN's got a history of these sorts of things. Anyway,
there's that book that's out. You know, those guys have
all the fun and they've tried to move past a
lot of this, but there always seems to be something
that takes place there Steve Phillips situation. There's always something
that seems to take place, So that's bad for them.
The environment that they've gotten, and then you look at
(15:03):
where he went to WWE, that was trying to shed
themselves of a lot of that stuff. And obviously this
is going to be a sticking point here when it
comes to the media and how people perceive WWE and
moving forward. If they have Lee fitting over here, if
they did those if he did those things. At the
very least, what you can say about the things that
(15:24):
you said were that he got way too familiar with
his his on air talent. That's the least you can
say about what they have. It could be worse than that.
Maybe it's not. We'll have to find out, and it's
going to be interesting to see how TKO now deals
with that.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, we'll be back in a moment and dom if
you and Byline want to get me and Mike replical
Marconi's I ain't gonna complain all the express back in
a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike Simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Networks.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Man, I cannot find a replica Marcon.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I actually have to win one.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Do you still give out Marconi?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, there's a twenty twenty four Marconi winner. It happens.
Damn yes, hey, listen to the next segment. I should
mention we got a special guest, Michael Kingston On got
a lot to talk about, including Bigfoot. I'll explain later.
All right, Uh, last night's NXT this was a classic example,
(16:48):
a classic example of one of those shows where everybody
starts emailing me, oh man, Brian's gonna lose it? Can
do you?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Can you?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Did you see what they did to Javan? I can't
believe it? And I watched it. I was like, dude,
that was awesome, Like I got no problem with that whatsoever,
because he's in a feud now. So what happened was, well,
you got poor, uh poor what's his face? Ethan Page?
He's all sad, he's just losing right and left and
(17:20):
he's he's uh, they're in Lowell, Massachusetts. You knew this
was gonna happen? Did anyone not know this was gonna happen? Anybody?
So he's in he's in Lowell and he comes down
to the ring and he has lost his smile, just
like Sean Michaels did in Lowell, Massachusetts, like twenty five
(17:42):
years ago. So he comes out and he's all sad
and he's talking about his family, and like the fans
aren't buying one second of this. They don't believe this
guy for one second.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's because he didn't get beat up by a marine.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
They're booing him and he's he's acting like he's about
to quit. And uh, thirty five years ago, that old
that wasn't thirty five, I wasn't ten, it was it
was nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You weren't ten thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Full, it was thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Anyway, The point is this out comes Javon Evans, and man,
is there a bigger Javon Evans fan than me? Clearly,
no one reals, no one that works, there's a bigger fan.
It's like this guy is he's so great in the ring.
He's got so much charisma that people love this guy
(18:34):
and they just like treat him like anyway, you know
what else this guy can do. His brother can cut
a promo. Oh my god, he comes out here and
he does his promo about you know what, you came
here and all you did was brag and talk about
your accomplishments. But you know what that's not really you.
(18:57):
I know the real Ethan Page. I saw the real
Ethan Page at heat Wave. Not what you did in
the match, but what you did after the match. You
won that title, and you looked at your family and
you told them I love you, and not everybody can
do that. That smile you had, that proud dad smile,
that proud husband smile, the smile of a guy who
(19:19):
just busted. Is you know what for eighteen years to
get here where he deserves to be. You deserve to
be here. So from now on you should drop that
all ego. These fans here, they want to see the
real you. And if nobody else here is gonna say it,
because they're not gonna all say it, I am proud
of you, and I mean that from the bottom of
my heart. I was crying. I was like, man, what
(19:43):
a what a promo? What a promo?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
What a promo?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Cole Lee And then Ethan takes the mic and he
hits him in the face and they did the blood gimmick,
and man, I don't know if this guy like he
hits he hits Javan and Javon goes down and so
Ethan goes outside to get like a chair or whatever
for the distraction, so you can't see whatever. I don't
(20:10):
know if they like slid him a thing this big
of cranberry juice. This guy had gallons of fake blood
in his mouth. And Ethan puts his chair around his
face and he stomps on it. And dude, I've been
watching Mid South and it's a guy's name Cowboy, you
(20:33):
stop already, shut up.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
He's the Asian guy.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he puts the thing on the guy's neck and
they also killer, oh massa eito or something. Anyway, Uh,
that's not what happened here. He pilmanized this guy's neck. An,
you want no story, I'm gonna tell you a story.
All right, I'm gonna tell you what happened here, because
(20:59):
you know, Van and I are spirit animals. Something similar,
something similar. This is to happen to Javon last night,
happened to me. So this was this was probably twenty
years ago. This is this is the opposite of medical advice.
This is the opposite of medical What I did never
do this, Okay. So what I was doing was I
(21:23):
would go no carb for several days and then I
would have a carb up day. Okay, So you know
I was doing no carbs, no carbs, no car but
well it's car carb up day. So what I did
was I got a whole bunch of kool Aid packets,
straight pure sugar and red number five or whatever it is,
(21:48):
which is probably poisonous. So I just I made up
this thing of kool aid, a gallon, a gallon of
kool Aid. And the idea was, I was going to
go and do my last hard workout for the week,
and then I was going to begin my carbup and
I was gonna start by drinking a gallon of kool Aid.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So I went in and I worked out because it
was my last one before my car bup. I was,
you know, I'm gonna have this kool Aid. I'm gonna
eat doughnuts. This is the wrong way to do this everybody,
but I was young. So I went in there and
I worked out real hard, and I came outside and
I was all ready for that kool aid, and I
(22:34):
started chugging kool Aid. Now the issue was not just
that I was chugging kool aid. But for those of
you that have ever worked out, you know sometimes you
have that workout, we're like, you push it a little
further and you're like right on the verge of you know,
I actually, I actually I pushed it so hard I
(22:54):
might I might throw up. So I you know, I
cooled down, walked it off, got over that part where
you know I may throw up. Well, then I started
drinking that kool aid and I drank or in the
parking lot, I drank and I drank, and I drank,
and I drank and I drank and I drank, and
(23:18):
I realized I made a real big mistake. And right
there in the parking lot, I opened the driver's side
door and I vomited out a gallon of bright red liquid.
I can't believe nobody called, like the paramedics or got
like the airlifting coming in. I mean I it was
probably the most horrific thing anyone had ever seen. If
(23:39):
anybody saw it, tell me guy opened the opened up
the door and just appeared to vomit a gallon of
blood after working out at the gym. Well, this is
exactly what Javon did when they stomped that guy's face.
He didn't just start spinning blood. He vomited red blood everywhere.
And I watched that. I thought, if there's there's any
(24:00):
child watching this program, that child will never be the same.
They will never ever, they will never be the same
after seeing him getting pilmanized and spewing blood every bro
I have two kids. If Paisley saw that, it would
be years of therapy, Oh my, years of therapy to
get over that one.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Jesus, don't show her the corner.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
That's a fireball, dude, that's not vomiting blood out of
your mouth after getting your neck pilmanized. So anyway, he's dead.
They got rid of him, took him out of there.
But I thought that was an amazing segment. Was going
to lie.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Although you are way overstating the amount of blood. You're
acting as if he was vomiting blood.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
It's spewed everywhere.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
That was the thing. It was the splatter more than
the amountain. Yes, and how he sold it and it
was very well done. It was very well filmed. But
he is not like looking it up as if he's
the uh the kid from what was it the uh
Possessed movie or whatnot? You know, and hey listen sitting
out like.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
It was so graphic that like when they like they
quickly went to commercial, and I was like, they're gonna
come back and they're gonna show the aftermath. They are
not going to replay that, and I was wrong. Of
course he replayed it again.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Dub Brother, Prama, Lee, Horror. You gotta build it up,
Trick Williams with thoughts in prayers immediately in the promo
following you, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He should have. And speaking of Trick, the main event
of the show. So Eddie Thorpe, he finagled his way
in to that title match tonight in the Great Angle
of NXT in twenty twenty four, and so I will say,
they're doing the match, and it's so they only got
like twelve minutes even less actually, and there's a commercial
break in the middle, and man, I gotta say they
(25:54):
came back. And I was like, this is the most
nothing happened in title match, Like what a nothing happened
in pay off? I was like really disappointed. And then
all of a sudden, the referee took a bump and
Eddie hits a paradigm shift, steals Moxley's finish and makes
the cover and he gets a ten second visual pinfall.
(26:16):
I was like, well, I guess they got an out
or whatever. And then another referee runs in and Eddie
hits two El generico running kicks in the corner steal
in everyone's spots. He goes for the third one, he
eats the trick knee, Trick falls on top of him.
You know how you guys are always like, oh, Sean's
living out all is this or that? And lost my
(26:37):
smile and whatever. Nobody even noticed what this was. They
had a very very famous match with Shawn Michaels and
Triple H might have even been like that hour long
match or whatever, but this was the finish where Sean
hit the super kick, fell on top of him, but
he falls on top of him too far, so his
shoulders are on the mat. They did that exact same
thing with Trick, and the referees both count a pin
(26:59):
and they clear them both the winner, and then they
go to Ava and the show goes off the air.
You know, the show goes off the air with classic
Ava has to make a decision. I was like, oh
my god, I never read spoilers, but I was like,
I gotta figure out what decision Ava makes because they
did this. They did this second taping afterwards. I'm like,
it's got to be like the dumbest thing ever like
(27:21):
I'm giving you both a new belt, or it's like
it asked me something stupid. She actually made the right call,
which I won't spoil here, but yeah, I thought overall
that was a very good show, but we got Michael
Kingston coming up, so we got to talk about that.
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Speaker 2 (31:02):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike SIMPERVVI on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
The show Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike SIMPERVB
also of Wrestling Observer dot Com, Michael Kingson joining us
here today.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
How you doing, uh, doing good? Doing good? Run the
final stages of this campaign, So just no sleep till
the end.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I'm trying to to tweet this out, but Twitter sucks.
It's like not working right now. But I think it
finally did go out. If you guys want to go
to my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, my ex We've got
the link about how you can donate, how you can
help support this a Kickstarter. You and Gangrel Gangrel have
(31:55):
co written a comic about a promoter who trains Bigfoot
to wrestle in Portland in nineteen eighty five, the same
as same as family owned promotion from bankruptcy.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Oh you went underwater? Try that again? Can you confirm
that that's correct?
Speaker 10 (32:17):
Yeah, that was one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yes, Bigfoot is recruited this this this could almost be
a true story if there were like a Bigfoot, you
know what I'm.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Saying sort of the time. I mean, there's a lot
of you know, I like all the territory stuff, you know. Obviously,
while there does my covers, I spend a lot of
time talking to him and you know whatever, So there's
a lot of there's a lot of It really could
be a real story, like it it's grounded against a
lot of realities. Obviously the names are changed whatever it's
(32:48):
not you know, it's not a word for word retelling.
But there's a lot of the factors that are sort
of occurring, you know, in that time period that you know,
it's sort of you know, and then Bigfoot is the
answer to everyone's problems. But yeah, it's I try to
I try to write absurd things, but like keep the
(33:12):
keep the stuff authentic and grounded. As much as that
sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
A threat of reality to Bigfoot being recruited basically.
Speaker 10 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it's basically, uh, you know,
it's Portland Wrestling at nineteen eighty five and you know,
Gottera means coming in, and you've got drugs coming into
to Portland. You've got you know, outlaw companies, everybody's kind
of everybody's kind of surrounding the company, and you know,
what's this guy going to do to save himself? And it's, uh,
(33:43):
you know, he's gonna he's gonna have Everything's it's a
guy in a suit, right, but it's it's it's really Bigfoot,
and uh we open it with Bigfoot and rehab, so it.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Rehab.
Speaker 10 (33:54):
That's that's how we open it, so give you any
kind of an idea of what kind of story this
is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
How did did Bigfoot get in the business through like
Terrible Ted the Wrestling Bear, or like did he approach
Jesse Barr or Sandy Bar or something like? Is there
an origin story in here on how Bigfoot broke into
the business.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Yes, the first issue is the origin story of how
it all comes to be, and that's uh. And then
we will get into, you know, the next couple issues.
We'll deal with the you know what happens from there.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Now, did you or did Gang Grell come up with
the storyline here or was this a joint effort?
Speaker 10 (34:37):
This is a joint effort. Yeah, I uh so, you know,
I do tell us from the road and uh we uh.
The first time I met Dave when he was next
to me at a comic con and I asked him
if she wanted to do a story and he's like,
he's like yeah, he goes, we just put you know,
one word in your one word in your brain's like Bigfoot.
And then we spent the whole rest of the show
just kind of going back and forth about stuff and
(34:59):
h you know, he is right next to me. So
we just shoot ideas back and forth and we had
a pretty viable I feel like we had a pretty
viable story by the end of the first day. It's
just undergone some tweaking and whatnot, but it's uh, you know.
So we did like a six page little short story
for this as like a you know, years ago, and
(35:23):
we had so much fun doing it. We're like, you know,
we could make this a whole series. And then in
twenty nineteen, there was an upstart comic book company. They
were going to do digital comics with like like sounds
and effects and stuff to it, like almost motion comics
but not really, and they were going to pay us
an absurd amount of money to be part of their launch.
(35:45):
It was like all these like top tier comics guys,
and then you know, me and Dave doing this wrestling
thing because they, you know, unlike a lot of people
in comics, they understood the whole the wrestling crossover. And
then they went out of business or the investors all
pulled out. The pandemic started, which is insane because that
was your moment. You're doing digital comics. People are stuck
at home.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
But oh, they would have made a bank Oh my god.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
People with money are generally some of the dumbest people
I know, like with that kind of money. But so yeah,
so unfortunately, So then they kind of sat for a
little bit, and then you know, we just kept talking
about I see David shows all the time and stuff,
and he texted whatever. I was like, Yeah, let's just
let's just do it ourselves. You know, I feel like
it's had a ton of it's had a ton of enthusiasm.
(36:31):
You don't want to talk about it to people and stuff.
So we just figured we would give it a shot
and see if we could just build it ourselves.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So Gan Grell obviously does a vampire gimmicks I mean,
is he is? He big time into the paranormal. I
don't think I've ever interviewed the guy he is.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Yes, he's a big I mean big big Foot enthusiasts,
big you know, paranormal excellent paranormal guy. So it's funny
that I happen to have two books out right now
that are co created by guys with vampire gimmings.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So that's right.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
I have a Vamperio comic out too.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes, now, you know, I obviously do After Dark Radio.
We have a paranormal show which is moving to Sports
Byline January eighth, everybody, and I learned a long time
ago that there is a big cross over here wrestling
fans and paranormal fans. I mean, like, I don't even
pick the guests. Andrew Lutsky is my producer, and he
picks the guests. And I think we've only done like
(37:24):
four or five guests since I relaunched it. But like,
of those four or five guests, like at least two
of them, we ended up talking about wrestling afterwards because
they were like big wrestling guys. I had no idea
till it was over. So there seems to be a
cross over here.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
I mean, that's that's the hope. And I think it
would be fun to maybe take a year and do
you know, obviously do comic cons almost every weekend. I
think it would be interesting to try to pepper in
some some big Foot festivals and stuff like that. I
feel like it would just be a fun vibe to
you know, to just don't know, mix up the mix
up the show a little bit.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, hey, if you want to do Bigfoot conventions, I
mean I'm your man. I mean literally, there's one at
least every month in this area up here, and they're like,
they're they're pretty, they're shockingly big. Actually, I guess not
shockingly because I'm in the Pacific Northwest. But so this
this Kickstarter, I mean, is it ending today.
Speaker 10 (38:20):
Ends tomorrow at eight pm Eastern time. And we've got
a lot of cool stuff. We've got four really cool covers.
We have metal versions, like limited edition metal versions, and
we've got a shirt and Tumblr drink Tumblr that have
a really cool design that but I'm very happy about
(38:41):
it static. It's one of the coolest things that we've made.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, I'm not really like a wrestling T shirt guy.
I have like none except ones that we make for
the site. But I will say that this this shirt
here with the Patterson Gimblin bigfoot dragging a chair and
underneath it says hay Fame. That's right up my alley.
I would wear that shirt. I would buy multiple actually
(39:06):
of that shirt. So that's a good one. That's when
you could wear anywhere.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
I think, I agree. I agree, I uh, And that's
it's like that design is I don't know. I just
working on with Doug Hills who does Tails from the
Road with me and we're just kicking ournd ideas and
then it's just this is one of those things where
just sometimes things click and you're just like, oh man,
how did I not see this before? But I was happy.
I was happy you came up with it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Michael. For those people who are new to you, who
were some of your artistic favorites, and did you grow
up with comic books and wrestling magazines or you know,
how did you end up getting to this point where
things crossed over and merged for you?
Speaker 10 (39:45):
I love them both. Right about the same time. The
very first Saturday It's Made event was my entree into wrestling.
George's Animal Steele was the man who made me stop
flipping channels for a minute. And then and I, you know,
I just bought comics off the spinner rocks and stuff,
and then I got super into it and I realized
(40:06):
that nobody ever made good wrestling comics. They just made
i don't know, like hacked out license things and stuff
like that. And uh so then I just started I
started headlocked comics, and I started selling my books out
of my backpack at wrestling shows and just sort of
built a grassroots thing and making comics for fifteen years.
(40:26):
I'm in the middle of seven projects right now with
the ridiculous names, and we just our Vampira series just
got just got picked up for television development. The third
issues out in stores today, by the way. But it's
one of my it's one of my favorite things. These
two series are two of my favorite things that I've written,
(40:47):
just because the I don't know, I like a little
bit of absurdity, and I've been I've been doing a
little more straightly stuff, so this is fun to be
able to kind of dabble in some other genres.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Now you got four different covers right here, and you've
got the I presume illustrators listed underneath. No Jerry the
King Wall or he didn't do a big Foot cover.
Speaker 10 (41:10):
Uh No, Unfortunately, h Jerry can't draw anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Oh man, I was gonna ask how he's doing. He
can't draw it all.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
I mean, not to his standards, you know what I mean,
Like he was, it's I think it's hard for him
to I think he can draw, but I think he
can't draw to the standards that he would consider acceptable.
And I think it's just another like it's just a
reinforces kind of what he's lost. Yeah, I think he's
lost a ton. I mean he's you know, I just
spent a couple of weeks with him in a week. Well,
(41:39):
I spent a week with in Memphis and then wearing
Galaxy con Columbus a couple of weeks ago, and I
mean he's you know, he's still fine, like you know,
just he just can't draw like you know, when he was.
I mean he was top tier, like one percent, you know,
grade egg whatever. And I think it's it's tough to
lose that.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So so so if somebody didn't know about what had
happened and they ran into him at a convention, I
mean would they would they not even think anything? It's like, oh,
he's he's doing all right?
Speaker 10 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean he's older, you know, it's you know,
but I mean, yeah, he's fine. I mean he's sometimes
he uh, you know, his words like I think a
lot of the you know, stroke survivors or whatever, his
words are a little hard to come by sometimes. But
I mean that's been improving little by little since since
it happened. So yeah, that's just uh. I mean he's
(42:32):
a seventy five year old guy too, so well yeah,
but I think for for a seventy five year old guy.
He's he's going pretty good.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Well, you talked about a lot of the hustle that
you had to go through to kind of build what
you've been doing, and you've been able to cross over
and work with a lot of folks and put out
some really great work. I do have some here, you know,
from the times you've been on is there anybody that
has approached you that you haven't had time to work
with that you really would like to do or vice versa.
(43:01):
Is there somebody that you have wanted to approach but
it's just a matter of timing.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
I mean, right now, I am up to my neck
in projects, so I haven't really been able to think.
I mean, in my my brain doesn't stop thinking. I mean,
I already have another sort of idea that I want
to develop. But I have a volume five of Headlocks.
I have volume four, Tails in the Road, Vampiro's got
more issues, and then you know, we got Bigfoot, and
(43:34):
I'm working on a I haven't announced it yet, but
I'm working on a project with as w W talent,
and I'm working on a biocomic too, So I'm running
for my life. Unfortunately, the changes that have happened when
social media have made it so much more difficult for me.
(43:55):
You know, a lot of Kickstarter is through social media,
just getting the word out and stuff like that. And
I mean, like we used to get like seventy five
to like one hundred and fifty backers through Twitter links,
and I think I have eleven right now. Like, I mean,
it's just been throttled to death. And you know, Facebook
(44:16):
is tough. I have a friend who's back all of
my kickstarters who literally just hurt, you know, and I
post about it on Facebook every day too, and he
just saw yesterday for the first time, so you know,
one day before the end. So I mean everything's been
throttled and then fragmented and stuff. So it's really hard
to get in front of people like it used to be.
And I don't know, and then WW just being such
(44:37):
a monster and everybody's putting out so much content, Like
it's tougher for me as a as an independent to
just you know, kind of get bannedwidth sometimes.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Sure, we'll stand by a way back in a moment
to get a plug. Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Back going the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Mike smber VV, also of Wrestling Observer dot com. Michael
Kingston joining us Headlocked Comics. We've got a Bigfoot comic
that is currently being funded for the next eighteen hours,
and Michael, let's get some plugs in about how people
can find it and how they can help.
Speaker 10 (45:34):
You can go to Kickstarter and just search Friday Night Bigfoot.
It'll come up. We are in the last bit of
the campaign. We need as much support as possible. We
really got high hopes for the series, and a lot
of these covers are only going to be available through
the campaign. Obviously not the main cover, but the variants
and stuff. So you know, I've already had a couple
(45:56):
of people sniffing around Hollywood friends and stuff. You know,
get in early.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Maybe it'll be worth something that actually that this would
be an incredible film. This could be the Harry and
the Henderson's of our generation. Remember that movie. That movie
was horrible. Yes, this is one would have to be better,
but yes, everyone check it out. It's some on my
Twitter at Bryan Alvarez and uh and Headlock Comics as well.
And you know, even if even if a a comic
(46:24):
gets to the goal, I mean, you know, anything above that,
it's still extremely helpful. Right, We're not just trying to
hit what the what the goal is and then be
done with it.
Speaker 10 (46:34):
Oh no, no, I mean I never asked for everything
I need. I mean it's but also I mean, anything
we make extra just goes right back into the next book.
It gets us ahead. You know. It's nobody gets into
comics to get rich. I just want to. I just
want to make comics and you know, do what I
do and have fun. So it's uh yeah, I go
(46:55):
pay my artists, pays my printer, you know, pays for
the merch and and then we start with the next one.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
All right, we're at a time oone it. Thanks so
much for doing the show today. Guys can check it
out on my Twitter at Brian Alvarez, Headlock Comics as
well search Kickstarter and Michael. Thanks so much for doing
the show today. Thanks everybody for listening, the other mics
always Schollers and listeners every the studio. We'll talk to
you next time. Wrestling Observer Live you have been listening
(47:46):
to the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.
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