January 16, 2025 • 47 mins
Bryan recaps NXT and Dynamite and previews Maximum Carnage.
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a lot of wrestling news to talk about here today
including last night's NXT. Turns out old Corey Graves was
(01:18):
not on NXT. He also did not call the speed
match which took place today. There's a new Number one
Contenders tournament. He's vanished. So we're gonna talk more about
this after the break here and everything that went down
on NXT last night, because there was plenty that went down,
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and of course tonight is also aw dynamite, and not
just any dynamite, it is maximum Carnage. Sounds like something
Vincent would come up with. Got a bunch of matches
announced for the show, including the Women's the Women's Casino Gauntlet.
The winner will get a shot against Mariah May at
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Grand Slam in Australia this February. I can't imagine who
it might be, but we won't give spoilers here for
this live event here on this program. Of course, we
also got the SmackDown Show coming up Friday, rav is
coming Monday, and plenty of other news as well, including
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Back in the show. Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,
Mike simbervv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Whatever this horrible
illness is that everyone who's gotten this winter, It just sucks, dude.
I actually feel like physically, I feel fine, Like I've
gone to the gym every day. It's not like it's
(06:33):
you know, anything like that. But I cannot get this
gunk out of my throat and chest. It's affecting my voice,
which is my moneymaker. I think it's actually RSV is
what I think it is, really, Yeah, because one of
the kids over, one of the cousins over Christmas at RSV.
(06:54):
God brutal. So anyway, if I hack and just cough
up un I apologize, although it's not like green anymore.
If you guys need to know real details. So I
think that like I'm on the mend, Like I feel
like I'm on the mend, but God just won't go away.
Speaker 8 (07:12):
I think I felt bad for like forty eight hours.
What exactly has been going on in that neck of
the woods where you have?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Dude, everybody here is God this everybody, let's take it
forever to get over it. If you guys haven't got it,
you're all gonna get it. So work on your immune system.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You're gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You're all gonna die, hear me, Dom, even you youngsters,
take care of yourself, all right. I don't even know
where to begin today at the beginning, I mean, there's
not really a lot of news today, Like are we
really gonna start with Corey Graves at the top story,
Like we're.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
On the podcast. Of course we're gonna start with Corey Graves.
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, here's the deal, everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm a slow day.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Of course, Corey Graves was not on NXT and they
didn't make a big deal out of it, didn't mention it.
Corey Graves is the common tat for w w E Speed.
He did not commentate the Chad Gable Charlie Dempsey match,
which aired today. So I guess here's here's the here's
(08:13):
the big question for everybody. Okay, all right, ready for this?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
When did they tape this speed match? Are we supposed
to believe that he would have done the voice over
like today, like he's there at ringside? Right? Don't they
always tape speed like before Raw or SmackDown or whatever?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And find out when?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, find out, find out when they taped the Charlie
Dempsey Chad Gable match, which.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
By the way, those are three minute matches, right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
They're three minute matches.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
I'd like to see that for longer than three minutes,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Dude. Hey, listen, me and Tom review w w E Speed.
I love it because number one, they're like the matches
are quick, like by the time the whole tournament's over.
You can watch the whole tournament like fIF teen minutes,
but they're quick boom boom boom. You know, you have
stories you can tell with three minute matches. I like it.
I like WWE Speed and it doesn't intrude into the
(09:10):
main roster.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Taped on I guess that would be Friday. Was that
January Friday at the Portland Motors.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Okay, so it was taped to SmackDown.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Okay, Blake Howard did the announcing.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, so we're supposed to believe either that a he
pretty much decided he was done Friday and no showed
his speed commitment, or he was supposed to tape it
like yesterday the voiceover, but I don't think they do that.
I think he's I think he's there right or or
(09:43):
because he's no longer on SmackDown he's on NXT. He
wouldn't have been doing the voiceover anyway because he wouldn't.
Why Why would they fly him all the way to
SmackDown every week to do speed. Maybe he's just not
the announcer anymore. But anyway, here's the point, everybody, here's
the point. Yes, there are people within WWE that believe
(10:06):
that this is a shoot. Okay. His brother Sam A.
Donnis claimed on Twitter that this was a shoot. Maybe
it is. Okay, maybe it is, but I can tell
you this. You're telling me that this guy got moved
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to NXT last Tuesday, immediately did the booboo face. Made
it abundantly clear he did not want to be there.
Either No showed smacked down or did not. We actually
don't know if he was ever gonna do speed anyway,
put out an angry tweet on Monday which was he
was not told to delete, the company didn'tell him to
(10:50):
get rid of it, said that he would have something
to say and that we should tune into NXT. And
then No showed NXT just flew home, telling me that
this guy did all of that and he's still employed.
That's what you're telling me. Okay. Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Maybe he was told to go on.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Maybe that's the case. Okay, But in a lot of
these situations, I like to look at Oukham's razor. What
is the most likely, what is the simplest explanation for
all of this? And given that they don't let you
do this stuff on Twitter, if you do they require
you to pull it. If you know, show your job,
(11:31):
act like you hate it. There. I mean they're gonna
get rid of you. I mean, I will give you
my prediction here on the air. Okay, I'm gonna give
you my prediction here on the air. All right, Okay,
Within thirty days, Corey Graves will be back doing something
for WWE, whether it's commentary or whether it's a match
(11:56):
with Wade Barrett or the Royal Rumble or whatever. Okay,
he will be back doing something for WWE, and the
official story will be it was a shoot that became
a work. Okay. So that's my prediction for a month
from now. If it turns out this is all a
(12:18):
shoot and he ends up getting fired, then that's fine.
But that's where I think this is all leading. It
was a shoot everyone, but now it's a work playing
off reality.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
They'll say, could it be a little column and a
little column B since he is being taken off the
shows anyway and they needed something to do with him
and he goes down to NXT.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You get the response that you get.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Do you think maybe that it's like, okay, well let's
play with this a little bit, especially if he does
have any thoughts on possibly returning to the ring.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
It provides him a reason to have some time off
in doing something I don't know. I would be upset
if I was, because he does do a great job.
And if there is let's just say, this whole thing
is a shoot. How disappointing is it that you have
Joe Testator, who's great. You got Pat McAfee who's great,
But you're telling me that Corey Graves, Jesse Ventura, Bobby Heenan,
(13:19):
Jerry Lawler, they were all better than Corey Graves in
that role. But Corey Graves is the best person since
any of them, and he can do something they could
never do, which is play by play. So you're telling
me that there's not a place for him in a
three man booth alongside Way Barrett. If it is actually
a shoot at all, it's very disappointing. But I can
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see there being one true aspect of this, which is
if I'm Corey Graves, maybe I do feel a little
bit of a way because I do do a great
job and I have been pushed out because this other
big name when it comes to Joe Testatur has now
stepped in and kind of shaken some things up.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, here's the thing. I don't think Corey Graves is
an idiot, and if this is all real, I mean,
he should know that they switch up the announcers all
the time. They switch up the ring announcers. For reasons unknown,
it was very important to switch the Iron SmackDown ring
announcers when they moved to Netflix. I mean, yes, perhaps
(14:23):
he was demoted to NXT. Okay, there have been a
lot of people that have been NXT and back up
to the main roster and vice versa. It happens all
the time. There have been wrestlers that have been sent
down to NXT and they've been brought back to the
main roster. It happens all the time. So the idea that,
oh my god, I was sent to NXT, my career
is over. I am a failure and a loser. I
(14:46):
find it hard to believe that those are the thoughts
going through his mind. If they are, then they are, Hey,
who am I to say? But this happens all the time.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I'm a failure and a loser. I don't think he's
saying that at all.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean him on now, Well, the idea that he
got sent down there. So now he's like gotta quit
because like there's no hope to ever be back on
the main roster or to ever do anything about it.
Like what are what are you talking about here? This
happens all the time. So anyway we'll see, Hey got
himself into the top story on Sling Observer Live on
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Speaker 8 (18:28):
Are you going to ask him if a person disappears
in a forest, do they make a sound?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Hey, I'll ask him anything, ask him that, Yeah, and
they do they do? Yeah, it's if it's if the
tree falls into forest and there's no one around to
hear it, it doesn't make a sound because a sound
is a wave. In order for it to become a sound,
there needs to be something too, you know what I'm saying.
So just the way it works, science science now also
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science is these Netflix numbers just quick. So they did
the adding in the week after the raw debut. They
added an extra extra million people watched after the initial
two day viewership number. Sure, so five point nine million
views globally and seventeen point seven million hours viewed. So
(19:26):
the total view hours are the length of the program
divided by are the total viewers viewing hours of the
program divided by the runtime. So this is not just
you know, seventeen million people watched a second of the show.
There were seventeen point seven million hours viewed, and you
(19:47):
divide that by three, and essentially they're saying five point
nine million people watched on average the entire show. So
and hey, you know, people can disbelieve this. But as
Davis pointed out, ever since that raw, Netflix, dude, they
started selling tickets. In the last week, they started selling
a lot of tickets. They sold a lot of tickets
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for this past Monday's Raw. They sold a lot And
there's no reason for it other than Netflix. It's like
all of a sudden, people decided that this Monday's Raw
was very important. In the last week, like they always
sell some tickets, but like big influx of tickets.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
It is the season though too, you know, and it
was tough times there towards the end of the last
year financially for people, so you know, maybe some of
the spending has opened up a little bit too. I
think it's a variety of reasons. But the Netflix thing
certainly doesn't hurt. And five point nine million people worldwide
if that's what they said within a week watch that show.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I can believe that. Sure.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I mean, look at the numbers that you know, WWE
what they max out probably what their fandom would be
watching a show on network TV.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, what was it for SmackDown?
Speaker 8 (20:57):
You go a little bit over that as far as
just you know, people watching on Netflix, sure, and then
go and almost double that, a little bit more than
double that for worldwide.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
It's just, you know, do these numbers really mean anything
right now? They really don't, you know, individually as the
weeks go on. But I'm sure we're going to talk
about them anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, I'll say one more thing, because I have more
exact numbers now somebody who got the numbers directly from Peacock. Okay,
Peacock reported seven hundred thousand concurrent streams for the Saturday
Night's main event on NBC, which did one point five
(21:37):
million on NBC. Concurrent does not mean these were people
to watch later. Concurrent means as the show was airing live,
there were seven hundred thousand people streaming on Peacock. Okay,
Peacock has thirty six million subscribers in the US. MAX
has fifty two point six million in the US and Canada.
(22:00):
So I mean, if anything, Max has probably more US subscribers,
because I don't think it's fifty to fifty US and
Canada population size. So you know, Max has more subscribers
than Peacock. And if a Saturday Night's main event is
doing fifty percent concurrent streams, then it is absolutely, in
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no way crazy to think that a Dynamite that does
six hundred and fifty thousand viewers on television is not
doing another one hundred and fifty maybe two hundred thousand
on Max concurrent. And plus I'll ask this question, this
is not this is not scientific, but I'll just ask,
raise your hand in the chat if you are now
(22:42):
watching Dynamite on Max. Okay, raise your hand. We're gonna
see people just going like, I am I am, I am,
I am okay me, you know here they come. These
are people that are now watching on Max. They don't
watch on whatever anymore. Okay, now raise your hand, Raise
your hand. If you watch Saturday night's main event on Peacock, anybody, Okay,
(23:08):
I'll tell you why, though I haven't heard a single
person who was like, I chose Peacock over NBC.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I did. Actually you did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You watched on Peacock.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Here's the reason why.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Was making Dad was doing something I think it was
making dinner or something like that. And I never said
an alert. I never said a thing on YouTube TV
to record it. So by the time I got on there,
it was like, well, let me just see it on
Peacock because I know I can go back to the beginning.
So I actually watched half of the show on Peacock
and then flip back over to YouTube TV.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
But yeah, actually, but here's the thing with Peacock, and
for Peacock to subscribers, I'm an Notre Dame football fan.
They stream on there. I watched some of the Olympics
they stream on there. One thing that's should be beneficial
for aw, no matter how many people they get, is
getting people to regularly stream something on Max, because apparently
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that's one of Max's big problems is people are not
streaming CNN through Max, they're not watching HBO proper through Max.
They're still doing it in other ways, and they've wanted
to get people over to do more of that and
try to mix things up and integrate it more. So
anything that they provide is probably going to be again
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looked at as a great thing, no matter if it's
sixty thousand people or if it's two hundred and sixty
thousand people, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Actually, we apparently have a fair number of people to
watch Saturday night's main event on Peacock, so hey whatever.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
But again, you know, we probably have a much as
far as the people that are watching through Twitch and YouTube.
They are a lot younger, and they a long time
ago got out of the cable race, and when they
were able to, they got kicked out of their parents'
house and it was time to you know, get their
own things. You know, if you have Netflix and Max
and Peacock, odds are you're still spending less than what
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you would get on you know, through most cable means,
and you're getting everything that you want to get.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So they're completely used to it.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
And they also again the technology when it comes to
TVs and all.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
That sort of stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I know a lot of people who have smart TVs
who are older who don't utilize them at all. They
got a cable box hooked up and they don't mess
with the app aspect of that at all.
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Trip one that it looks like the Windy's logo. Yes,
I got more comments on that than anything. Although actually
I did get a couple of comments on minus five stars.
Because the most famous minus five stars shirt is the
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but it says minus five stars. So at some point
it was like between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, when
Trump was in office, I was wearing that shirt and
some guy the Trump shirt looked at it and goes
minus five stars. I was like, oh, is that how
you interpreted that? Okay, maybe that's why so many people
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purchased it. Many interpretations. So tonight is dynamite and we
got the women's Gauntlet. The winner will get a shot
at Mariah May's title. It's Grand Slam in Australia.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm going with Prazzo.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know they gotta do like I know that, like
Tony is over and everything like that, and they want
to get her as much TV time, but they should
do a deal where like women keep coming out and
it's not Tony because the match can end at any time.
So if there's eleven women in there and Tony still
isn't out, it's like, oh my god, it could end
before she even gets to the ring back in a
moment because of her life.
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God, even not one thing, it's another. Just saw this article.
Connor mcgreor accutes of trying to rape woman in VIP
bathroom as security stopped friend from entering.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Stall to help Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Lawsuit filed on Tuesday, that is yesterday. So this is
this is a new lawsuit took place after Miami Heat's
NBA Finals game against Denver Nuggets June ninth. So last year,
forty nine year old who works on Wall Street filed
a criminal sexual assault allegation. So there you go. Another
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one filed against Connor. So that means tonight on Observer Radio,
we got to talk about Connor. One of my favorite
things to have to do is have to talk about.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Oh God, you know, it's getting to the point of
being like, I don't know how true.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Any of this is just a reprehensible person.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
But if it's again for a guy that says none
of this stuff is true, if I kept getting accused
of all this stuff, I probably stopped going out. You
keep putting yourself in these positions, and unfortunately it seems
as if again a lot of this seems to be.
I don't know if it's true or not. I don't
want to say that, but obviously he lost a lot
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of sponsors and everything that went down after the last ruling,
and it just there's obviously a bad pattern here when
it comes to him just being in the general public
and around to the opposite sex.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, So before we get at XT, the rest
of Maximum Card Tonight has Hurt Syndicate versus Marco Briscoe
and Private Party, Yes MVP in the ring John Moxley
Powerhouse Hobbs for the eight of the World title. I
can't even talk about it. I can't. I know, I
want to think about it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Belt him up, Belt him up.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I know we're talking about it for days now. It's
D Day Kenny Omega versus Brain Cage, Christian Cage versus
Hook and we will hear from Ricochet. It's actually a
pretty stacked show, to be honest. You know what a
big show.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Powerhouse Hobbs. He wins the title, he gets beaten down
by the death writers. Afterwards, Christian Cage comes out, tries
to cash in and guess what happens, power House Hobbs
murders him too and gets that out of the way,
so we don't have to deal with Christian having a title.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, they're doing something with Christian. I actually, I actually
don't think it's just gonna be Copeland costing him. I
don't know if he's gonna win, but I think I
think they're they're doing something. Is it gonna be that
old classic I can't imagine.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Though, WWF Attitude era, where like seventeen parts of the
Clothes happens and at the very end it's stone cold
Steve Austin played by Cope, who ends up doing the
thing and then leads to Hobbs getting the victory. You
think they go all out and do something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
What I expect to happen tonight is Moxley beats him.
My point is I don't want the obvious to happen.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You really think that's gonna happen? Gon m Clean?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don't know about Clean, but I think that he's
gonna beat him, so not even Hobbs. I just have
this feeling Tony's gonna do what he's gonna do. I begged,
I've begged, I've groveled on air.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Can we get him on the phone right now?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Unlike I want to.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Talk to him.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now. I gotta say something about NST that I don't
know if we'll review the entire show, but time there
is a person on this show that has a bigger
ceiling than brawn breaker coming from developmental. We all know
who I'm gonna say, don't we, Jasmine, would you stop
this freakin' Oba Femi? Fantastic dude? Oh my god? Like
(35:04):
he has size, and he actually has deceptive size because
he looks even bigger than he really is. I haven't
seen one bad match from this guy, maybe since like
when he very first had that breakout tournament. Like for
the Breakout Tournament, I thought that he was not the
most impressive guy in the tournament. I wouldn't say it
(35:25):
was bad, it was like fine. You know, he had
a lot of potential. But in the last year, show
me one bad Obafemi match. Every match he's in, he
gets over. It doesn't matter if it's like a guy
from the main roster, some developmental dude, it doesn't matter.
He gets over every match. This guy, when he does
(35:47):
his promos, he has like he has an accent, He
has a gravity about what he says, Like if you
actually listen to the words like if you write down
the words and then you, like had Mike Simperviti read it,
people would be like, what in God's name? What a
horrible promo. But like when Oba Femi says it, no,
(36:11):
it's true. But when Obafemi says it, it's like, okay,
if you want to use those words, fine, Like I
buy it from Oba Femi.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I'm gonna say who at the end.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I buy it who. He cut a great promo and
he just comes off as like like he's a man
in charge. You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I believe what I believe in me, it's my destiny.
I believe what I say and I say what I believe.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And he has he has confidence in everything he says.
You don't doubt a word he says. It doesn't sound
like some guy doing some goofy promo. It sounds like
a confident champion in.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
The ring too, which exudes out of that along with
the charisma that he has.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And my favorite part of this entire episode of NXT,
which I cannot do justice to here. I just can't. Okay,
So they're backstage and they do one of those segments
where you know, two people do something and then the
camera film is over and there's two other people doing
something and then it pans over, so they're backstage. Oba
(37:14):
Femi is just walking around like the ruler and he
gets stopped by Dion Lennox. Okay, guys know Dion Lennox.
He's the bookworm. But his gimmick is like Clark Kenny
takes off the glass and then he's like Superman and
he's like he's like everything that they want. You know,
He's like, I got a great physique and everything needs tall.
(37:36):
But like he's he's also one of those guys where
you know, I've seen these guys come and go Sean
Staysiac for example, Like you look at the guy and
it's like, man, it's everything they want, but he never
made it. And I think it could be that way
like Dion. So far, I don't see this guy as
like he's got a waste to go. But anyway, this
Dion Lennox walks up to Oba Fem and he stops
(37:57):
him and he says, Oba can congratulations on winning that title.
One day, he says, I'll be challenging you for that title.
And Oba Femi doesn't say anything. He just stops. He
looks at this bookworm and like his eyes a little
(38:17):
bit like wide, and then he keeps walking like that
was the most preposterous thing that's ever happened to me
on this show. I watched that over and over. I
can't even do like what he did. He has his
face it's like he's just astonished that this guy like
he can't even believe what he just heard. But he
doesn't overdo it. He didn't do like the oh big
(38:39):
eye rolled or everything. It's just enough for you to
realize there is absolutely no chance you will ever challenge
me for this title, and if you do, I will
kill you. And he walks off. I died. This guy
is the greatest. Do you understand this? Oba Femie is
the greatest? Like, I don't know, man, some like horrendous
(39:02):
thing would have to occur for this guy not to
be in a WrestleMania main event, and god only knows
how long.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Oh yeah, he's a start.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He is the best.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
He is a ron breaker.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
And they have so many people Trick Williams, Roxanne Perez
in their future, I.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Mean, Fallon Henley.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
They're just name after name And this has been the
biggest benefit of the NIL deal has been somebody like
Obafemi that has come along and that you're able to
catch lightning with this fast and have the ability because
of NXT to put him on a stage, not the
main stage yet, but carefully craft him in the same
(39:42):
way that they did with Solo Sokoa. Remember solos CoA
didn't have a bunch of matches on there. They knew
what they had, they knew what they wanted going forward,
and they were going to be sure to do that.
And the great part about this era is once they
figure out what you are and how they craft you,
that's pretty much what you are.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The thought of him going up to the.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Main roster and having to suffer through what Bronson Reid
did under Vince McMahon or something like that, it's not
gonna happen when he comes up. It's just like Braun
and some of these other folks, where Obafemi is.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Gonna be Oba Femi.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
And again seeing him on the main roster doing what
he's doing now, it's an easy it's an easy transition
over to see him be a star.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
If I talked about Avi Ava's character sucks as a GM,
it's not very good. No. So last week she booked
because she's absolutely completely incompetent in her job. She booked
a number one contenders match but also a six person
involving the champion. Okay, so Stephanie mckure wins the number
(40:48):
one contenders match. When the match ends, she's the number
one contender. But in the other match, this idiot GM
booked somebody pins the champion. Shatzi pins Fallon. So what
does the GM do, Well, you're no longer than number
(41:09):
one contender even though you won a number one contender's
match on the show. You must defend your number one
contendership against Shatzi because she pinned the champion. So they
do the match and of course the heels interfere Fallon
hit Stephanie and Shatzi pins her. So Stephanie lost her
number one contendership. So what's ABA gonna say next week?
(41:31):
A referee's decision is final, even though when Lexus King
won the Heritage Cup, she said the referee's decision wasn't
final and she gave the cup back. She is the
worst she's in storyline, the worst GM I've ever ever
experienced in this business. So Stephanie got screwed. Now, what
(41:52):
was good was in a match that way exceeded expectations.
Jakara and Lash beat Alba and Eila Don. This was
a flat out, shockingly good match. I was just watching
it waiting for some tragedy to occur and it didn't.
And uh, well, because Lash and Jakara are hidden miss,
(42:13):
they've had very good matches. I've also seen them have
matches against people and it's like, oh my god, that
thing fell apart. This was very good. Lash and Jakara won.
They're getting a shot at the women's tag team.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Titles, no complaints.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Does anyone remember who the women's tag team champions are?
Three two one?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
No Caden and Katana. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Let's see if anyone in the chat knows off the top.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Of their head.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Somebody who beat Caen.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Naomi and Bianca the figure.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Oh that's right with Jade. Uh.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
After Jade got hurt, Bianca slid in there. I forgot
about that. They don't really defend those much, do they
can't remember? No, but you know what, Metaphor and them
were beefing a while ago, and to see them go
back to that match, I'm okay with it. I'm just
wondering when Noam Dar is coming back because no Am
Dar and who was at Oro Mensa. I can't see
(43:17):
Noam Dar being a star on the main roster. And
obviously they want Jakar Jackson maybe the be the number
one out of that foursome to make it onto the
main roster. But Noam Dar as a personality in him
and a team with Oro Mensa again with their tag
team division, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world
to see them be an antagonist to the Viking writers
(43:40):
or whoever.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And we also had a tag team title match. Axiem
and Nathan Fraser retained their titles against OTM. I was
very happy to see that they're the best team in
the world. Yes, and they will probably be facing di
Weise soon, so that was nice. It was it turned
into a real good match. Early on, it was just
kind of there, man, they are so good. By ANSWER's match,
I was like, holy smokes, that was the best match
(44:04):
OTM that has ever had and that was very good.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
Never break them up, I know, no, they will, just
don't do it. It'll break them up.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Maybe not actually.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Keep them together and put them on the main roster.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
I mean, there's such a They're the type of team
where everybody is expecting them to break up at any
moment anyway, because they are such different people in the
way that Fraser plays his character. But that's what also
makes them great.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
There's so many teams on the main roster, it would
be absolute madness to break them up and then bring
them up individually to the main roster. That makes no sense.
So back in a moment with more Observer Live.
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this after the break here and everything that went down
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Back in the show. Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,
Mike simbervv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Whatever this horrible
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I actually feel like physically, I feel fine, Like I've
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you know, anything like that. But I cannot get this
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If you guys need to know real details. So I
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Like we're.
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On the podcast. Of course we're gonna start with Corey Graves.
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Well, here's the deal, everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I'm a slow day.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Of course, Corey Graves was not on NXT and they
didn't make a big deal out of it, didn't mention it.
Corey Graves is the common tat for w w E Speed.
He did not commentate the Chad Gable Charlie Dempsey match,
which aired today. So I guess here's here's the here's
(08:13):
the big question for everybody. Okay, all right, ready for this?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
When did they tape this speed match? Are we supposed
to believe that he would have done the voice over
like today, like he's there at ringside? Right? Don't they
always tape speed like before Raw or SmackDown or whatever?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And find out when?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yeah, find out, find out when they taped the Charlie
Dempsey Chad Gable match, which.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
By the way, those are three minute matches, right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
They're three minute matches.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
I'd like to see that for longer than three minutes,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Dude. Hey, listen, me and Tom review w w E Speed.
I love it because number one, they're like the matches
are quick, like by the time the whole tournament's over.
You can watch the whole tournament like fIF teen minutes,
but they're quick boom boom boom. You know, you have
stories you can tell with three minute matches. I like it.
I like WWE Speed and it doesn't intrude into the
(09:10):
main roster.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Taped on I guess that would be Friday. Was that
January Friday at the Portland Motors.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Okay, so it was taped to SmackDown.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Okay, Blake Howard did the announcing.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, so we're supposed to believe either that a he
pretty much decided he was done Friday and no showed
his speed commitment, or he was supposed to tape it
like yesterday the voiceover, but I don't think they do that.
I think he's I think he's there right or or
(09:43):
because he's no longer on SmackDown he's on NXT. He
wouldn't have been doing the voiceover anyway because he wouldn't.
Why Why would they fly him all the way to
SmackDown every week to do speed. Maybe he's just not
the announcer anymore. But anyway, here's the point, everybody, here's
the point. Yes, there are people within WWE that believe
(10:06):
that this is a shoot. Okay. His brother Sam A.
Donnis claimed on Twitter that this was a shoot. Maybe
it is. Okay, maybe it is, but I can tell
you this. You're telling me that this guy got moved
(10:28):
to NXT last Tuesday, immediately did the booboo face. Made
it abundantly clear he did not want to be there.
Either No showed smacked down or did not. We actually
don't know if he was ever gonna do speed anyway,
put out an angry tweet on Monday which was he
was not told to delete, the company didn'tell him to
(10:50):
get rid of it, said that he would have something
to say and that we should tune into NXT. And
then No showed NXT just flew home, telling me that
this guy did all of that and he's still employed.
That's what you're telling me. Okay. Maybe that's the case.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Maybe he was told to go on.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Maybe that's the case. Okay, But in a lot of
these situations, I like to look at Oukham's razor. What
is the most likely, what is the simplest explanation for
all of this? And given that they don't let you
do this stuff on Twitter, if you do they require
you to pull it. If you know, show your job,
(11:31):
act like you hate it. There. I mean they're gonna
get rid of you. I mean, I will give you
my prediction here on the air. Okay, I'm gonna give
you my prediction here on the air. All right, Okay,
Within thirty days, Corey Graves will be back doing something
for WWE, whether it's commentary or whether it's a match
(11:56):
with Wade Barrett or the Royal Rumble or whatever. Okay,
he will be back doing something for WWE, and the
official story will be it was a shoot that became
a work. Okay. So that's my prediction for a month
from now. If it turns out this is all a
(12:18):
shoot and he ends up getting fired, then that's fine.
But that's where I think this is all leading. It
was a shoot everyone, but now it's a work playing
off reality.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
They'll say, could it be a little column and a
little column B since he is being taken off the
shows anyway and they needed something to do with him
and he goes down to NXT.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
You get the response that you get.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Do you think maybe that it's like, okay, well let's
play with this a little bit, especially if he does
have any thoughts on possibly returning to the ring.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (12:53):
It provides him a reason to have some time off
in doing something I don't know. I would be upset
if I was, because he does do a great job.
And if there is let's just say, this whole thing
is a shoot. How disappointing is it that you have
Joe Testator, who's great. You got Pat McAfee who's great,
But you're telling me that Corey Graves, Jesse Ventura, Bobby Heenan,
(13:19):
Jerry Lawler, they were all better than Corey Graves in
that role. But Corey Graves is the best person since
any of them, and he can do something they could
never do, which is play by play. So you're telling
me that there's not a place for him in a
three man booth alongside Way Barrett. If it is actually
a shoot at all, it's very disappointing. But I can
(13:41):
see there being one true aspect of this, which is
if I'm Corey Graves, maybe I do feel a little
bit of a way because I do do a great
job and I have been pushed out because this other
big name when it comes to Joe Testatur has now
stepped in and kind of shaken some things up.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, here's the thing. I don't think Corey Graves is
an idiot, and if this is all real, I mean,
he should know that they switch up the announcers all
the time. They switch up the ring announcers. For reasons unknown,
it was very important to switch the Iron SmackDown ring
announcers when they moved to Netflix. I mean, yes, perhaps
(14:23):
he was demoted to NXT. Okay, there have been a
lot of people that have been NXT and back up
to the main roster and vice versa. It happens all
the time. There have been wrestlers that have been sent
down to NXT and they've been brought back to the
main roster. It happens all the time. So the idea that,
oh my god, I was sent to NXT, my career
is over. I am a failure and a loser. I
(14:46):
find it hard to believe that those are the thoughts
going through his mind. If they are, then they are, Hey,
who am I to say? But this happens all the time.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
I'm a failure and a loser. I don't think he's
saying that at all.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean him on now, Well, the idea that he
got sent down there. So now he's like gotta quit
because like there's no hope to ever be back on
the main roster or to ever do anything about it.
Like what are what are you talking about here? This
happens all the time. So anyway we'll see, Hey got
himself into the top story on Sling Observer Live on
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Speaker 8 (18:28):
Are you going to ask him if a person disappears
in a forest, do they make a sound?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Hey, I'll ask him anything, ask him that, Yeah, and
they do they do? Yeah, it's if it's if the
tree falls into forest and there's no one around to
hear it, it doesn't make a sound because a sound
is a wave. In order for it to become a sound,
there needs to be something too, you know what I'm saying.
So just the way it works, science science now also
(18:59):
science is these Netflix numbers just quick. So they did
the adding in the week after the raw debut. They
added an extra extra million people watched after the initial
two day viewership number. Sure, so five point nine million
views globally and seventeen point seven million hours viewed. So
(19:26):
the total view hours are the length of the program
divided by are the total viewers viewing hours of the
program divided by the runtime. So this is not just
you know, seventeen million people watched a second of the show.
There were seventeen point seven million hours viewed, and you
(19:47):
divide that by three, and essentially they're saying five point
nine million people watched on average the entire show. So
and hey, you know, people can disbelieve this. But as
Davis pointed out, ever since that raw, Netflix, dude, they
started selling tickets. In the last week, they started selling
a lot of tickets. They sold a lot of tickets
(20:08):
for this past Monday's Raw. They sold a lot And
there's no reason for it other than Netflix. It's like
all of a sudden, people decided that this Monday's Raw
was very important. In the last week, like they always
sell some tickets, but like big influx of tickets.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
It is the season though too, you know, and it
was tough times there towards the end of the last
year financially for people, so you know, maybe some of
the spending has opened up a little bit too. I
think it's a variety of reasons. But the Netflix thing
certainly doesn't hurt. And five point nine million people worldwide
if that's what they said within a week watch that show.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I can believe that. Sure.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
I mean, look at the numbers that you know, WWE
what they max out probably what their fandom would be
watching a show on network TV.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
You know, what was it for SmackDown?
Speaker 8 (20:57):
You go a little bit over that as far as
just you know, people watching on Netflix, sure, and then
go and almost double that, a little bit more than
double that for worldwide.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (21:06):
It's just, you know, do these numbers really mean anything
right now? They really don't, you know, individually as the
weeks go on. But I'm sure we're going to talk
about them anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, I'll say one more thing, because I have more
exact numbers now somebody who got the numbers directly from Peacock. Okay,
Peacock reported seven hundred thousand concurrent streams for the Saturday
Night's main event on NBC, which did one point five
(21:37):
million on NBC. Concurrent does not mean these were people
to watch later. Concurrent means as the show was airing live,
there were seven hundred thousand people streaming on Peacock. Okay,
Peacock has thirty six million subscribers in the US. MAX
has fifty two point six million in the US and Canada.
(22:00):
So I mean, if anything, Max has probably more US subscribers,
because I don't think it's fifty to fifty US and
Canada population size. So you know, Max has more subscribers
than Peacock. And if a Saturday Night's main event is
doing fifty percent concurrent streams, then it is absolutely, in
(22:21):
no way crazy to think that a Dynamite that does
six hundred and fifty thousand viewers on television is not
doing another one hundred and fifty maybe two hundred thousand
on Max concurrent. And plus I'll ask this question, this
is not this is not scientific, but I'll just ask,
raise your hand in the chat if you are now
(22:42):
watching Dynamite on Max. Okay, raise your hand. We're gonna
see people just going like, I am I am, I am,
I am okay me, you know here they come. These
are people that are now watching on Max. They don't
watch on whatever anymore. Okay, now raise your hand, Raise
your hand. If you watch Saturday night's main event on Peacock, anybody, Okay,
(23:08):
I'll tell you why, though I haven't heard a single
person who was like, I chose Peacock over NBC.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I did. Actually you did.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
You watched on Peacock.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Here's the reason why.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Was making Dad was doing something I think it was
making dinner or something like that. And I never said
an alert. I never said a thing on YouTube TV
to record it. So by the time I got on there,
it was like, well, let me just see it on
Peacock because I know I can go back to the beginning.
So I actually watched half of the show on Peacock
and then flip back over to YouTube TV.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
But yeah, actually, but here's the thing with Peacock, and
for Peacock to subscribers, I'm an Notre Dame football fan.
They stream on there. I watched some of the Olympics
they stream on there. One thing that's should be beneficial
for aw, no matter how many people they get, is
getting people to regularly stream something on Max, because apparently
(24:03):
that's one of Max's big problems is people are not
streaming CNN through Max, they're not watching HBO proper through Max.
They're still doing it in other ways, and they've wanted
to get people over to do more of that and
try to mix things up and integrate it more. So
anything that they provide is probably going to be again
(24:25):
looked at as a great thing, no matter if it's
sixty thousand people or if it's two hundred and sixty
thousand people, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Actually, we apparently have a fair number of people to
watch Saturday night's main event on Peacock, so hey whatever.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
But again, you know, we probably have a much as
far as the people that are watching through Twitch and YouTube.
They are a lot younger, and they a long time
ago got out of the cable race, and when they
were able to, they got kicked out of their parents'
house and it was time to you know, get their
own things. You know, if you have Netflix and Max
and Peacock, odds are you're still spending less than what
(24:59):
you would get on you know, through most cable means,
and you're getting everything that you want to get.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So they're completely used to it.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
And they also again the technology when it comes to
TVs and all.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
That sort of stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
I know a lot of people who have smart TVs
who are older who don't utilize them at all. They
got a cable box hooked up and they don't mess
with the app aspect of that at all.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
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got the women's Gauntlet. The winner will get a shot
at Mariah May's title. It's Grand Slam in Australia.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm going with Prazzo.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You know they gotta do like I know that, like
Tony is over and everything like that, and they want
to get her as much TV time, but they should
do a deal where like women keep coming out and
it's not Tony because the match can end at any time.
So if there's eleven women in there and Tony still
isn't out, it's like, oh my god, it could end
before she even gets to the ring back in a
moment because of her life.
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Speaker 1 (31:16):
God, even not one thing, it's another. Just saw this article.
Connor mcgreor accutes of trying to rape woman in VIP
bathroom as security stopped friend from entering.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Stall to help Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Lawsuit filed on Tuesday, that is yesterday. So this is
this is a new lawsuit took place after Miami Heat's
NBA Finals game against Denver Nuggets June ninth. So last year,
forty nine year old who works on Wall Street filed
a criminal sexual assault allegation. So there you go. Another
(31:51):
one filed against Connor. So that means tonight on Observer Radio,
we got to talk about Connor. One of my favorite
things to have to do is have to talk about.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
Oh God, you know, it's getting to the point of
being like, I don't know how true.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Any of this is just a reprehensible person.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
But if it's again for a guy that says none
of this stuff is true, if I kept getting accused
of all this stuff, I probably stopped going out. You
keep putting yourself in these positions, and unfortunately it seems
as if again a lot of this seems to be.
I don't know if it's true or not. I don't
want to say that, but obviously he lost a lot
(32:31):
of sponsors and everything that went down after the last ruling,
and it just there's obviously a bad pattern here when
it comes to him just being in the general public
and around to the opposite sex.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, So before we get at XT, the rest
of Maximum Card Tonight has Hurt Syndicate versus Marco Briscoe
and Private Party, Yes MVP in the ring John Moxley
Powerhouse Hobbs for the eight of the World title. I
can't even talk about it. I can't. I know, I
want to think about it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Belt him up, Belt him up.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I know we're talking about it for days now. It's
D Day Kenny Omega versus Brain Cage, Christian Cage versus
Hook and we will hear from Ricochet. It's actually a
pretty stacked show, to be honest. You know what a
big show.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Powerhouse Hobbs. He wins the title, he gets beaten down
by the death writers. Afterwards, Christian Cage comes out, tries
to cash in and guess what happens, power House Hobbs
murders him too and gets that out of the way,
so we don't have to deal with Christian having a title.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
No, they're doing something with Christian. I actually, I actually
don't think it's just gonna be Copeland costing him. I
don't know if he's gonna win, but I think I
think they're they're doing something. Is it gonna be that
old classic I can't imagine.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Though, WWF Attitude era, where like seventeen parts of the
Clothes happens and at the very end it's stone cold
Steve Austin played by Cope, who ends up doing the
thing and then leads to Hobbs getting the victory. You
think they go all out and do something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
What I expect to happen tonight is Moxley beats him.
My point is I don't want the obvious to happen.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You really think that's gonna happen? Gon m Clean?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don't know about Clean, but I think that he's
gonna beat him, so not even Hobbs. I just have
this feeling Tony's gonna do what he's gonna do. I begged,
I've begged, I've groveled on air.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Can we get him on the phone right now?
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Unlike I want to.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Talk to him.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now. I gotta say something about NST that I don't
know if we'll review the entire show, but time there
is a person on this show that has a bigger
ceiling than brawn breaker coming from developmental. We all know
who I'm gonna say, don't we, Jasmine, would you stop
this freakin' Oba Femi? Fantastic dude? Oh my god? Like
(35:04):
he has size, and he actually has deceptive size because
he looks even bigger than he really is. I haven't
seen one bad match from this guy, maybe since like
when he very first had that breakout tournament. Like for
the Breakout Tournament, I thought that he was not the
most impressive guy in the tournament. I wouldn't say it
(35:25):
was bad, it was like fine. You know, he had
a lot of potential. But in the last year, show
me one bad Obafemi match. Every match he's in, he
gets over. It doesn't matter if it's like a guy
from the main roster, some developmental dude, it doesn't matter.
He gets over every match. This guy, when he does
(35:47):
his promos, he has like he has an accent, He
has a gravity about what he says, Like if you
actually listen to the words like if you write down
the words and then you, like had Mike Simperviti read it,
people would be like, what in God's name? What a
horrible promo. But like when Oba Femi says it, no,
(36:11):
it's true. But when Obafemi says it, it's like, okay,
if you want to use those words, fine, Like I
buy it from Oba Femi.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I'm gonna say who at the end.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I buy it who. He cut a great promo and
he just comes off as like like he's a man
in charge. You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
I believe what I believe in me, it's my destiny.
I believe what I say and I say what I believe.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
And he has he has confidence in everything he says.
You don't doubt a word he says. It doesn't sound
like some guy doing some goofy promo. It sounds like
a confident champion in.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
The ring too, which exudes out of that along with
the charisma that he has.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And my favorite part of this entire episode of NXT,
which I cannot do justice to here. I just can't. Okay,
So they're backstage and they do one of those segments
where you know, two people do something and then the
camera film is over and there's two other people doing
something and then it pans over, so they're backstage. Oba
(37:14):
Femi is just walking around like the ruler and he
gets stopped by Dion Lennox. Okay, guys know Dion Lennox.
He's the bookworm. But his gimmick is like Clark Kenny
takes off the glass and then he's like Superman and
he's like he's like everything that they want. You know,
He's like, I got a great physique and everything needs tall.
(37:36):
But like he's he's also one of those guys where
you know, I've seen these guys come and go Sean
Staysiac for example, Like you look at the guy and
it's like, man, it's everything they want, but he never
made it. And I think it could be that way
like Dion. So far, I don't see this guy as
like he's got a waste to go. But anyway, this
Dion Lennox walks up to Oba Fem and he stops
(37:57):
him and he says, Oba can congratulations on winning that title.
One day, he says, I'll be challenging you for that title.
And Oba Femi doesn't say anything. He just stops. He
looks at this bookworm and like his eyes a little
(38:17):
bit like wide, and then he keeps walking like that
was the most preposterous thing that's ever happened to me
on this show. I watched that over and over. I
can't even do like what he did. He has his
face it's like he's just astonished that this guy like
he can't even believe what he just heard. But he
doesn't overdo it. He didn't do like the oh big
(38:39):
eye rolled or everything. It's just enough for you to
realize there is absolutely no chance you will ever challenge
me for this title, and if you do, I will
kill you. And he walks off. I died. This guy
is the greatest. Do you understand this? Oba Femie is
the greatest? Like, I don't know, man, some like horrendous
(39:02):
thing would have to occur for this guy not to
be in a WrestleMania main event, and god only knows
how long.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Oh yeah, he's a start.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He is the best.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
He is a ron breaker.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
And they have so many people Trick Williams, Roxanne Perez
in their future, I.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Mean, Fallon Henley.
Speaker 8 (39:20):
They're just name after name And this has been the
biggest benefit of the NIL deal has been somebody like
Obafemi that has come along and that you're able to
catch lightning with this fast and have the ability because
of NXT to put him on a stage, not the
main stage yet, but carefully craft him in the same
(39:42):
way that they did with Solo Sokoa. Remember solos CoA
didn't have a bunch of matches on there. They knew
what they had, they knew what they wanted going forward,
and they were going to be sure to do that.
And the great part about this era is once they
figure out what you are and how they craft you,
that's pretty much what you are.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
The thought of him going up to the.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Main roster and having to suffer through what Bronson Reid
did under Vince McMahon or something like that, it's not
gonna happen when he comes up. It's just like Braun
and some of these other folks, where Obafemi is.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Gonna be Oba Femi.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
And again seeing him on the main roster doing what
he's doing now, it's an easy it's an easy transition
over to see him be a star.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
If I talked about Avi Ava's character sucks as a GM,
it's not very good. No. So last week she booked
because she's absolutely completely incompetent in her job. She booked
a number one contenders match but also a six person
involving the champion. Okay, so Stephanie mckure wins the number
(40:48):
one contenders match. When the match ends, she's the number
one contender. But in the other match, this idiot GM
booked somebody pins the champion. Shatzi pins Fallon. So what
does the GM do, Well, you're no longer than number
(41:09):
one contender even though you won a number one contender's
match on the show. You must defend your number one
contendership against Shatzi because she pinned the champion. So they
do the match and of course the heels interfere Fallon
hit Stephanie and Shatzi pins her. So Stephanie lost her
number one contendership. So what's ABA gonna say next week?
(41:31):
A referee's decision is final, even though when Lexus King
won the Heritage Cup, she said the referee's decision wasn't
final and she gave the cup back. She is the
worst she's in storyline, the worst GM I've ever ever
experienced in this business. So Stephanie got screwed. Now, what
(41:52):
was good was in a match that way exceeded expectations.
Jakara and Lash beat Alba and Eila Don. This was
a flat out, shockingly good match. I was just watching
it waiting for some tragedy to occur and it didn't.
And uh, well, because Lash and Jakara are hidden miss,
(42:13):
they've had very good matches. I've also seen them have
matches against people and it's like, oh my god, that
thing fell apart. This was very good. Lash and Jakara won.
They're getting a shot at the women's tag team.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Titles, no complaints.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Does anyone remember who the women's tag team champions are?
Three two one?
Speaker 3 (42:41):
No Caden and Katana. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Let's see if anyone in the chat knows off the top.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Of their head.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Somebody who beat Caen.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Naomi and Bianca the figure.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Oh that's right with Jade. Uh.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
After Jade got hurt, Bianca slid in there. I forgot
about that. They don't really defend those much, do they
can't remember? No, but you know what, Metaphor and them
were beefing a while ago, and to see them go
back to that match, I'm okay with it. I'm just
wondering when Noam Dar is coming back because no Am
Dar and who was at Oro Mensa. I can't see
(43:17):
Noam Dar being a star on the main roster. And
obviously they want Jakar Jackson maybe the be the number
one out of that foursome to make it onto the
main roster. But Noam Dar as a personality in him
and a team with Oro Mensa again with their tag
team division, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world
to see them be an antagonist to the Viking writers
(43:40):
or whoever.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
And we also had a tag team title match. Axiem
and Nathan Fraser retained their titles against OTM. I was
very happy to see that they're the best team in
the world. Yes, and they will probably be facing di
Weise soon, so that was nice. It was it turned
into a real good match. Early on, it was just
kind of there, man, they are so good. By ANSWER's match,
I was like, holy smokes, that was the best match
(44:04):
OTM that has ever had and that was very good.
Speaker 8 (44:09):
Never break them up, I know, no, they will, just
don't do it. It'll break them up.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Maybe not actually.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Keep them together and put them on the main roster.
Speaker 8 (44:17):
I mean, there's such a They're the type of team
where everybody is expecting them to break up at any
moment anyway, because they are such different people in the
way that Fraser plays his character. But that's what also
makes them great.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
There's so many teams on the main roster, it would
be absolute madness to break them up and then bring
them up individually to the main roster. That makes no sense.
So back in a moment with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike Simpervv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Picking the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike
simper Vv, also of Wrestling Observer dot Com. Don't forget
two o'clock Pacific five Eastern. Steve Stockson's on after Dark
Radio and talk about people who vanish into thin air
sometimes even thick air in the mountains in the National Forests.
(45:41):
There were some thick air here at the other day.
It's weird. I don't like that thick air. Yes, but
it'll be two Pacific five Eastern Sports Byline at USA.
You can listen through tune in radio. Obviously. How are
you listening to this now because you're listening to sports byline.
You'll be able to listen after Dark Radio as well
to Pacific five Eastern today, so don't miss it. And
(46:02):
one other quick thing. If you're going to WrestleMania. Who's
going to WrestleMania anybody? Huh? WrestleMania? Well, Dave and I
are going and and we're gonna be doing a live
Q and A at the Palms, a very very nice building.
So if you'd like to go to the Q and A,
if you want to add that to your calendar, we're
(46:23):
doing a meet and greet and and a Q and A.
You can go to f for W online dot com
slash Vegas. That is FW online dot com slash Vegas.
We also have tickets for a lot of other things,
including a watch party. You want to watch wrestling with Dave,
well you can. We're doing two nights of it, and
also two after parties. What's an after party. I'll show
(46:47):
up together and there's a whole bunch of alcohol and
food and we drink and eat. There's gonna be two
of those as well. Those will be after WrestleMania. So anyway,
if you want to enjoy us for all of that
or any of that, you can buy tickets for things
individually or all together. F four W online, dot com,
slash Vegas go buy your tickets right now. You don't
want to miss it. And that's it, everybody. We'll see
(47:07):
you in an hour for After Dark Radio. Thanks. Mike
has always callers and listeners ever to the studio. We'll
talk to you next time Wrestling Observer Live. You have
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