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We got dynamite tonight SmackDown Friday All Out coming up
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as well. Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming
at Netflix docu series on Vince McMahon. I was online yesterday.
Everybody was up in arms and she wasn't asked. She
was asked, but she's not going to be on it,
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Here in the show, Brian Alvarez, here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You're in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I am like I thought I'd be cooled off by
this morning. But I'm not. I am not. I freaking
hated NXT. I absolutely absolutely hated that show. Do you remember,
probably about four years ago, like I just quit reviewing NXT.
It was like NXT two point zero.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, if I was gonna have a day off, we
didn't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I was so sick of this show and I quit.
And then you know, they ended up revamping it and
I'm getting a lot better, and I keep I've said
it over and over again, like I so badly want
to like this show, and it's one of those deals
where for a lot of people, it's probably not a
big deal at all, but it just absolutely drives me crazy,
(07:12):
and it's something that would take seconds to just fix,
and they won't. I watched that show last night, and
I'm not going back. I refuse to go back. But
it was about, I don't know, halfway through I started
to notice not a single time did they identify anybody
(07:33):
in any backstage segment on this show. No, people are
just showing up and they're talking. And I've said it before,
like either put a graphic on the screen or somebody
needs to say somebody's name. All right, I'm not that
old I don't have brain damage. Okay, I know who
most of the people are in the show, but I
(07:55):
still don't remember everybody because there's like ninety people on
the show. What is the frickin' bookworm's name? God help me?
What is his name?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What is it? Thank you? Deon Lennox who.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I Deon Lexis earlier when I was trying to figure
just sitting.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
There on a box and then he walks up and
makes some comment and walks off. It's like his third
appearance in six months, third appearance in six months. They
don't identify the guy. And then the real pinnacle to
me was they had a segment in the back and
I am not making this up, as God is my witness,
(08:35):
there were thirteen women on the screen at the same time,
thirteen They didn't identify anybody. And at that point I
was like, you know, forget it, screw the show, Like
why am I watching this? And you know what makes
(08:56):
me so mad about it? Forget me, okay, forget me whatever.
You want to troll me or you're just stupid. I
don't know what the difference is, Like, I don't know
which is worse. Are they trolling me or are they stupid?
Like which is worse? Okay, fine, forget it. You realize
they were like a month away from them moving to
the CW. The CW is on network television. Okay. I'm
(09:19):
not saying that they're gonna get like a billion viewers
or anything like that whatever, but you know there's a
good chance that you're gonna get some new eyeballs on
the CW and you're just gonna throw out eighty different
people and not identify any of them. Yes, we gotta
do your new viewers. You know you're gonna get no
new viewers. Why is this so hard? I went back
(09:40):
during the commercial break because I was like, am I
out of my mind here? I went back and I
turned on Raw. Okay, you know how ROS starts, and
it starts with Wayde Barrett introducing the fans to Joe Tessitur. Okay,
he says the guy's name first off. That's a good
start to this, like identify the guy verbally, and then
there's a giant cry on there, Hey Joe Tessitour. Wow.
(10:05):
So what's next? Okay? Next is a scene where everybody
enters the building. Okay, who enters the building. Gunther, Gunther
right there on the bottom of the screen. The world
champion got identified. Gunther. Okay, you know what walks in next?
See him Punk? See him Punk right down there at
(10:28):
the bottom. Hey, that's CM Punk. See him freaking Punk
gets identified? Switch that. Next, there's the bookworm. No freaking clue.
This guy is no graphic. I have no idea. No
one says his name, like, he's just a guy doing skits.
I'm like, whatever, why do I bother? What's going on here?
(10:53):
What are you doing? Bro? I've told this story a
thousand times. What I was a kid, maybe five times.
I've told this story more times than than I I've
identified that bookworm. When I was a kid, I had
a backyard promotion and we got in public access television.
Okay and ay much, but you know back then there
(11:14):
weren't that many channels. If you had cable, you had
maybe thirty channels. Well one of them was public access.
My show was on there to the point where, like
I went to Spencer's once in the mall, I got recognized,
so people like watch the show. It's like cool, Why
I had no money? Do you understand? You know much
money I had? My teens. I didn't have nothing. I
(11:36):
had a job, but it wasn't like I was filthy rich.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I had a little money, lived at home, okay, but
with my no frickin money, I got one of those
little video catalogs, you know, video production. I didn't even
know how much. It's like four hundred dollars, you know
much four hundred dollars was in nineteen ninety three a
lot man as will be three thousand dollars to day.
And I was broke, Okay, I went out of my way.
(12:02):
I scrounged and saved and taught snot nosed kids how
to do flips, which I'm still bitter about to this day.
And I bought what was called it was like the
this is literally the name of it, the title Maker
two thousand. Because it was the nineties, it seeing so
high tech, man waiting, we see what we can do
in the so anyway, I bought a title maker two thousand.
(12:26):
So on my stupid nothing happening public access wrestling television show, film,
and a gymnastics facility. I could put graphics on the screen. Hey,
here's the Beast, here's the Psycho. This is a white
WF championship match. I did all that. These people in
(12:47):
a freaking multi billion dollar company. They can't put graphics
on the screen for their NXTTV show that they're paid
fifty seventy million dollars a year whatever, And how much
I was paid to be on public accessing. I pay
to do it. All I put on there for free.
I got nothing out of it. I still invested in
a title maker so the viewers could know who everybody was.
(13:09):
These nerds, Oh, everyone knows the bookworm. You know, he's
been on TV three times. He's the guy he takes
his glass off, He's Superman. You told me his name
twenty minutes. If I don't remember his name again, how how
am I supposed to remember a guy's name that's been
on TV three times on a show with ninety other people,
And don't say I'm the only one. So anyway, have
(13:32):
some respect for your audience. Identify people, Tell people who
everybody is. Maybe they'll kind of start to get into
the show. Thirteen women, dude, And the only one I
knew was Brintley Reechs because someone actually said Brinley. If
I knew that, if I can remember who that was,
and I had like a peel box. I'd send him
money for identifying Brintley by saying Brinley. God, you realize
(13:58):
how many old people watch that show. They are worse
memories than I do. How I ain't supposed to remember
the bookworm. I made it through that whole thing done
without swearing. I'm probably not even done yet. So anyway,
I was so angry when the show was over. What
a waste of my time. God, Sidney, you have to
pause the show fifty times to try and remember who
(14:19):
someone's name is so I can write some crap and
a stupid report nobody reads. God, what a life?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, I mean I read it, which is why I
knew you were going to be so angry today. You've
ranted on that immediately as soon as you started typing
away there for the review. And by the time they
got to the famed kitchen of NXT where Ashanti Viadonas
was meeting up with Brindlee and her friend and whoever
(14:47):
else it was there, Eddie Thorpe, you were done with everything.
I was done. They then they sprung the women on
you and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Spittake here goes. If it's a new or relatively new face,
identify them, But when it's true or Charlie Dempsey, why
do you need to identify them? Because you might have
someone tuning in for the first freaking time and we're
going to c W. We're changing networks here. They identified
c M Punk CM Punk. They identify gun thro the
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world heavyweight champion. You know, they're gonna identify when he
comes back, Roman Reigns, Becky Lynch. They identify everybody because
if you're running a business thinking, well, I got all
the viewers I'm gonna get, we ain't gonna get anymore.
Who cares? You should be doing that show thinking every
day ten thousand new people are gonna tune in. They
probably won't, but what if what if they don't like
(15:41):
something on TV? They tune into your show and they're like,
who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Who's that? What's going
on here? I'm gonna go watch Dawson's creak. I'm out
of here. Observer Live, you get a ship the dog
in the mom mean.
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Speaker 1 (16:23):
You know he had a couple of idiots in here.
They don't get it. But then we got smart people
like this guy here, he goes, I mean NFL games
do it every game. They even I D Patrick Mahomes.
And this guy says, they even I D Taylor Swift
when she's in the stands. It's kind of an industry,
and this industry standard even at the most amateur level. Yeah,
(16:45):
you're right speaking. That's why it's annoying that Mike perv excellent.
You couldn't you couldn't have. You could not have been
a bigger more hunt. That's what it says, Mike. Now
you dirty. It was on a split screen, you know something.
(17:08):
Never that was the most amazing moment in the history
of this show. I get mad because, okay, how many
brands are there in WWE?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Three?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Okay, so the two brands with the absolute biggest stars
identify all the big stars, but the third brand with
a bunch of nobody's nobody gets identified. It's like it's
done on purpose. Here's the thing. It's either done on purpose,
in which case they're idiots, or it's not done on purpose,
in which case they're idiots. There's no option that is
(17:39):
not they're idiots. Fix it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Look, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't know
if they need to have it to the degree of
trick or any of that stuff. But when it comes
to a lot of these people, because they are in
and out so much and you're trying to establish a
lot of these folks, yes you should do that. On
top of the fact that it looks esthetically pleasing with
the graphics that they've been using on Raw and SmackDown
(18:04):
and some of that auto trickle down to NXT, and
maybe it will when they hit the CW. I find
it difficult to believe that they're going to continue to
do this and risk alienating any possible viewers and risking
you ranting about it every week.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I don't understand why I have to explain this like
I'm talking to children, Like somebody was like you expected
to put thirteen graphics on the screen for all thirteen women. Brother,
take a break, take a deep breath and think, Okay,
all thirteen women were not talking. Okay, four of them did,
(18:44):
so is it that hard to either a put a
graphic on the screen when each of them are talking,
or at the very least say the name of the
person that you're talking to when a shanty the adonnis.
You can't just say Christ here comes a shanty? Is
it that hard? Or if you're not gonna say that,
(19:06):
can you just put the guy's name on the screen.
You ever watched like old Listen, Vince is an idiot,
absolute idiot. Okay, but he knew some stuff. Clearly he
built an empire and that was a decree. When you
do your promo, you must say your name. I'm Jake
the Snake Roberts here on the snake Pit, my guest tonight.
(19:30):
I was watched it yesterday. Jake was interviewing the Honky
talk Man, my guest tonight. He says, has the stupidest
name I've ever heard of. I have never heard a
name dumber than this name I bring to you. He says,
the Honky Tonk Man, what a stupid name. The guy
comes out, you have no like an idiot watching the
(19:50):
show for the first time knows the guy's name is
a Honky Tonk man. These NXT nerds, Uh, Let's throw
Karmen Petrovitch on the screen, not identifier, have her do
some verbal jousting with some dude we don't identify. You're
watching the show going. Why do these two not like
each other? What's going on here? Who are they? Who
(20:13):
is this person? I'd like to know more about them,
but I don't know who they are.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Stupid or in a case like they did to us
a while back, when they had six blondes on screen,
several of them that you hadn't seen in quite some
time or had been in and out of air, it
was like, Okay, well who are these people? Who are
they all? And Brittley Reese is a great example of that.
You know a lot of those folks. You throw a
(20:39):
bunch of names on the screen right now, Can everybody
that's a not a die hard viewer that may be
listening to this show right now, can they identify everyone?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
There's no way. I doubt that's possible. And the thing is,
forget about that. The fact is you want.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
To saturate everybody and drive it home and beat people
over the head with it. And people talk about not
liking that. It's an effective strategy, whether you're WWE or
any other type of business. We talk about it with aew.
They swerve a great example of a guy who goes
out and does all of these things. He's on all
of these podcasts, he's at this concert, he's hanging with
(21:17):
this person, and we don't see it. It'll be online.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
But they don't beat people over the head with it.
And some AW fans are happy about that. They don't
want that style. But the fact of the matter is
it's more effective for AW as a company and as
business that they do beat over the head with it.
They do saturate everybody with it. You may not like it,
you may not bite on it, but guess what, somebody
that's tuning in may find out that he is doing
(21:41):
all this stuff that they're not aware of. So again,
it's a little bit of a different situation, but the
same sort of thing where sometimes you've got to put
yourself in the viewer's position and not think that they
know every little last thing about everything that's taking place.
Just be professional, not in graphics identifying everybody as below
public access level. That's what it is. Come on, all right,
(22:04):
I need to move on. You know what else I'm
mad about?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All out is on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It is, but not at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Dynamites tonight, and brother, we know three matches, we got
one more added cents yesterday. Why is it so hard
to have a card. Can someone explain this to me?
We got three matches Okata versus Kyle Fletcher for the
Continental title?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
How much do he want us to pay for this?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Mariah May versus Nila Rose and Osprey Orange and Kyle
versus Pot, Claudio and Wheeler non title. All we have
announced for this show is MGF gonna be there, is
Mercedes gonna be there, Britt Baker, Chris Jericho, Hangman, Page Swerve.
I don't know. They've announced nothing. So I guess we'll
(22:55):
find out.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You're gonna get some stuff and give us fifty bucks
over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, Ricochet is Shay there? I don't know he should
be Why would he not?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That would be unfortunate. Why would he not be there?
But then again, why would you not? Why would you
not advertise if he was going to be here?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I don't know. I don't know. I'm baffled, all right.
Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming Netflix docu
series on Vince. According to Brandon Thurston, the producers did
reach out to Grant's team to interview her for the project,
but were unable to secure her participation. Netflix's documentary group
(23:34):
made an initial outreach to Janelle's representation for an interview
for this project. A spokesperson for Grant said, despite this,
no such interview came to fruition. I think the fact
of the matter is she probably was advised legally not
to do it, right, Yeah, why why would I didn't
realize that this was a thing until you said that,
(23:56):
Because number one, why would she do it when there's
ongoing litiga going on.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Where's the benefit of this at all?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
To her?
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't see it. So I'm surprised that people are
jumping up and down about it. But it's something seems
like it's very simple, she declined. Because of everything that's
going on right now.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I can't imagine they're going to interview Vince and he's
going to give his side of the story of the lawsuit. Well,
same thing. He would be advised not to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Even if she was okay to go ahead and do that,
Why would you want to do it on their forum
when this whole thing is about Vince McMahon exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You don't know it's going to be edited, you don't
know it's going to be clipped up. It would be
foolish for her to give her a sight of the
story on this lawsuit has been filed against AW, Kevin Kelly,
and the Tate Twins. It took me a long time
to figure out who.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The Tate Twins were.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They are the boys. Kelly alleges defamation from Ian Ricabbonny
and AW steming from Ricabonny making comments on a discord
It channel regarding Kelly being involved in QA and on conspiracies.
He is seeking monetary damages, claiming AW breached his contract.
The situation has made it difficult for him to find
(25:09):
work elsewhere. He was fired in March. Tay Twins were
fired in April. Tony Khin stated publicly their releases were
due to no showing events, which the brothers later attributed
to a miscommunication between them and management after they were
booked to fly out of a different airport than they
normally use. The claim they know showed events is at
the center of the defamation suit against Cohn and AW,
(25:31):
requesting the court certify a class action suit against AW.
Here we go over the company misclassifying its talent as
independent contractors rather than employees. This comes up every few
years and it never goes anywhere. But who knows, never
know when you might get the right judge or the
(25:54):
wrong judge, depending on whose side you're on.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, the demanding a jury trial, that is one thing
that they both sides were not both sides, but the
Taits and Kevin Kelly are wanting. They're seeking in damages
in excess of fifty thousand dollars, and aws Fire filed
a motion to keep it under seal. A judge is
going to have to determine if it's going to remain
(26:19):
that way. You know that if you read I saw
a redacted copy of the lawsuit, and the boys talk
about wanting money owed to them, travel expenses and royalties
that have been owed to them. They say they were
wrongfully terminated due to budget cuts, and then Tony during
(26:43):
the Supercard of Honor a couple of days later, both
the pre and the post show scrums talked about the
fact that it was because they know showed work and
apparently they're claiming that they've been ridiculed for that and
it's been detrimental to their careers as well too, saying
that they've tried to go out and get fucked, but
they haven't had a chance to Kevin Kelly obviously his
(27:06):
case with Ian that that came up and and is
suing him and trying to get monetary damages from him,
saying that he was defamed and talks about going to
hr and not having you know, much success there, and
he has not been able to find work, including saying
that aew blocked him from being able to work the
(27:29):
Altogether show in May. So there's gonna be a lot
more to seemingly that's gonna come from this.
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Speaker 1 (31:13):
I got the show, Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
You know the thing with a defamation lawsuit. I'm no lawyer,
but and if we have any lawyers, they can confirm
or deny what.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm about to say play one on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm not plain one. But what what I've heard is
it's a little difficult with defamation because a Kevin Kelly
is a public figure, and B he has to be
able to prove that whatever was said about him, like
Rick Abonnie knowingly knew that it was false and was
actively trying to harm Kevin Kelly. And you know, given
(31:52):
it was stated on a discord that if I recall,
like Ric Abonnie didn't know was going to like go public.
I just feel like that's to be very difficult to
prove that Rick Abonnie knew it was false, sat on
the discord to harm Kevin Kelly, who is a public figure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, if I recall Corcy, I don't believe that he
called Kevin Kelly a QAN non member. It says that
he shared a movie shared by a you know, q
Andon a lot of people that were QAnon conspiracy theorists
and people that were associated with that really pushed the
sound of Freedom movie and it said he remember hid
(32:32):
him saying that it disappointed him. Again. Now again, you
gotta be I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure
how to parse all of that stuff out.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, did Ian lie knowingly to harm a public figure?
And the public figure part is also hard because he's
a public figure.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And in the lawsuit it does state that online, you know,
people have drawn the connection you know, and said that
it was a q Andon movie, but then said that
there was no connection between QAnon in the movie, that
that's all been unproven and false. And I reached out
to Ian and didn't get a response. I'm not surprised.
(33:10):
I didn't reach out to aw Brian Solomon did. He
did not get a response, reached out to Kevin Kelly.
He pushed Brian to Stephn p New and I know
that Brandon Thurston has reached out to AW with no
comment yet on any of this stuff. And again, you know,
did this prevent him from earning any other work? To me,
(33:33):
the biggest thing is if they stood in the way
of him working the altogether show, then he's got a
little piece of a complaint that then goes to what
both they are claiming, which is we are employees, we
are not independent contractors, and we.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Have issues with this that in the third So again
AW will find out. I'm sure they don't want this
to go any further than it really is. You know, again,
they filed a motion to keep everything under seal, and
I'm sure that this because they were contracts that they
(34:10):
are if anything, would rather have this an arbitration because
we see that with companies all the time, of all sizes,
not the least of which has been WWE that wants
to get the Janelle Grant situation to arbitration because it
prevents a whole lot of possibly messy things from coming
out and being public.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
And at the least it prevents some things that are
in I'm sure that their private their employee handbook, all
those sorts of things. I'm sure they want to keep
under vests. So we'll see ultimately in the next couple
of days and a couple of weeks here what ends
up shaken out of this. But it's really it seems
(34:51):
like an uphill battle to me, just personally, again being
a layman, not really knowing. It just seems like it's
a real uphill battle. And I've seen this fight with
independent contractors employees for a long time. And if you
want that to be the case, you have to unionize.
It's not going to be a class action lawsuit that
does it. It's going to be actually banding together and
(35:14):
unionizing and getting support from other established unions. Otherwise this
is never going to happen. I don't think it's ever
gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, Cogan signed a new five year deal with the company.
He said on Logan Paul's Impulsive podcast, five year deal, licensing, merchandising,
ambassador stuff. If they need me to do something for Usselman,
I just love doing it. It's definitely different. Did you
see any the clips from this podcast?
Speaker 6 (35:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Okay, I never will. I hope.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I was I was on I was on X and
I was scrolling. And also there's Hogan and Logan Paul
and this clip that I watched, and granted, you know,
they take they take clips, they take like the best
clips to put online or whatever, and and uh, like.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The one you're gonna put up in my name later.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I didn't do that, dude, You're gonna split screen and
you held it up and that's what it said. I
have nothing to do with video. Now Hogan is talking
to Logan Paul and he's putting him over. I've never
seen somebody, you know, blah blah blah, it's the usual bs.
And then I don't remember what he said, because like
(36:30):
I was just in awe of what I was watching.
But Hogan said something about how he oh God, can
someone help me? What did he say? But the point
is that he mentioned the terms work and shoot. He said,
if this happens, is it a work or a shoot?
And the question he asked, I gotta I will say this.
(36:56):
I've not seen the Ben wal clip. This is a
different clip, so I gotta say the first. Okay, Logan
Paul sitting there behind the mic in this podcast, I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
What was up.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
He looked like at least three quarters of his brain
had been removed. He's barely functioning. Okay, he's got this.
I don't know, man, I don't watch this show, but
I'm watching this clip and I'm like, this guy's barely functioning.
He doesn't know what's going on. But then Hogan asks
this question involving the terms work and shoot, and Logan
(37:34):
is just like, and I will say, to be fair,
I also had that exact same look on my face
after Hogan asked this question. I was like, what are
you talking about? I should have gone back to find out,
but that was not the important thing. He just asked
this question that makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
He's like, he ask him like, what if when Harley
Race came in and shot on me?
Speaker 10 (38:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
What what was that?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
What was it? No? It was something like he goes.
He goes, if if we have a match and you
make five hundred dollars and I make five thousand dollars,
is that a work or a shoot? Like I'm pretty
sure that was his question. And I was like, if
(38:24):
he makes five hundred and you make, is that a what?
I was like just absolutely confused, and Logan had to
look on his face of absolute confusion. Okay. Then Logan goes,
I don't understand what you're saying, and so it's okay.
(38:46):
It's okay at this point because I don't get it either.
And then Hogan goes, if we have a match and
you make five hundred and I make five thousand, is
that a worker shoot? I'm still like, what are you
talking about? But then Logan says, I don't understand what
that means, like, I know what a work is, but
(39:09):
what's a shoot? And Hogan does the Steve Austin thing
from that one show where uh, what's what's her face?
Made that comment about her favorite match being Alicia Fox
or whatever. Hogan just like he all of a sudden
becomes Terry Bolea. He's at a character and he just
he turns and he looks at the camera like what
(39:30):
and he goes, you don't know what a shoot is?
And Logan goes no, and Logan's co host jumps in.
He goes, no, Logan, he doesn't know what a shoot is,
but he doesn't understand your question, and Logan goes, I
don't know what a shoot is, and as part of
(39:50):
goes no, no, no, Hogan, he knows what a shoot
is and Logan's like, you're embarrassing me, and I'm like,
what is happening here?
Speaker 10 (39:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
What is happening here? So I think he was serious
he doesn't know what a shoot is. But I like,
this was a ten second clip of this podcast. I'm like,
I can't watch it, Like I can't, Okay, I just can't.
But there's part of me that's like, I gotta watch
(40:20):
this whole show. I have to watch it. But anyway, man, dude, what.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I think he knows what a rib is.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Probably well after that, oh god, well, I mean, look,
do you remember the story about when Chris Candido was
the NWA World Champion. He was dying to meet Luthez.
So he finally meets Luthez and Sez. You know, they're
talking back and forth and oh, you're the champion. This
is nineteen ninety four or five or whatever it was,
(40:51):
after Shane Douglas had already thrown it down and just
gotta be careful, kid, when you're going out there, you
gotta be careful. Yeah, watch out for the double Cross.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Nineteen ninety four. Now we got it. But look we're
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Well, it's funny, but three years later there was a
double cross. Well but in twenty twenty four with boxing
and with maybe they just the term shoot fighting, the
term shoot. It's just maybe people don't know what it's
like hooking. Like do you think how do you not
know the term shoot in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Four because he's not a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He is a wrestler. He's like, he's been in big
time matches. He's traded, Yeah, but in what environment though,
even if he hadn't done that, well, he's he's listened
to a podcast in his lifetime.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
But maybe look if he's that again, I don't know
how that dude's mind functions, and I don't want to.
But like Pat McAfee when he was down there, you know,
getting made fun of by Rep Rogers, I'm sure he
knows what a shoot is. I know, I'm sure a
lot of people, especially if they went through training or
what you know, or of a certain age. But like
if Bad Bunny or Logan Paul or like, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Surprised does anybody on the chat not know what a
shoot is?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
But look, is there one person just be honest, is
there one person doesn't know what a shoot is. I'll
tell you what's a shoot. These ratings SmackDown two point
zero five four million and a point five three eighteen
to forty nine, down a little bit, and is their
last Fox show on Friday. It's gonna do gigantic numbers.
Romans there. Then they moved to USA and I'll be
(42:29):
there next Friday to watch it rampage two hundred and
eighteen thousand viewers, second lowest total viewership in the history
of the show. And that's against the show the win
head head with the Olympics, So with no Olympic competition,
this was a point oh seven.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Welcome to football.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That number sucks. And then I think we all knew
this was gonna happen, but Brandon Thurston just posted the
collision ratings. This was the collision that went head to
head with actually didn't go head to head.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
It was.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh yeah, that's bad, brother, dude.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well it didn't go head to head with.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
It didn't go ahead to head, but it was on
AWE pay perview day.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
On the first weekend of college football.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I just realized it's actually this Friday where they're
gonna die because they're going head They're going head to
head with SmackDown on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
It looks Saturday night, mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Collision did a he did to eighty nine Collision to
eighty nine and a point one, the lowest in the
history of Collision, and that includes all preemptions. There has
never been an episode of Collision that did fewer viewers
any day, anytime, any out of whatever, ever than the
(43:48):
show on Saturday night, which was on a WWE pay
perview day, which actually aired earlier in the morning, two
hundred and eighty nine thousand viewers in a point one.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
So this is coming Friday head ed was Smackedown on five.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, and then this Saturday. You know, people will say, hey,
you know, well it was head to head with SmackDown,
move days and all that stuff. October fifth is that
the day of the pay per view in Atlanta that
is going to be an earlier pay per view star
time for WWE. The same day that UFC is the
same day that the both baseball Playoff League Division Series begins.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
On top of.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
College football, with a lot more rivalries going on, They're
gonna get swamped, you know, unless something changes and I
don't know what it can be right now. They just
have to keep trudging through and hopefully get to the
beginning of the year and start over. Brian Rose knows
they didn't announce anything for Collision until the day before.
It's like a broken record. Back in a moment, it
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the chat says slow news day. I don't know if
he's being sarcastic, but I got shows. We're the material
that I need to fit into an hour. And I
will say this, if you don't like complaining, I suggest
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We got dynamite tonight SmackDown Friday All Out coming up
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(01:31):
as well. Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming
at Netflix docu series on Vince McMahon. I was online yesterday.
Everybody was up in arms and she wasn't asked. She
was asked, but she's not going to be on it,
and there's probably a logical reason for that. But we
can discuss that a lawsuit has been filed against ae
W by Kevin Kelly and the Tate Twins. When I
(01:57):
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Tate Twins? Well, they're the boys. I did not know that,
but now I do. Just we'll tell you about that.
Hulk Hogan was on Impulsive, Dear God, slow news day
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EO Sky is a new champion, Yes that's true. Adam Copeland,
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Here in the show, Brian Alvarez, here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You're in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I am like I thought I'd be cooled off by
this morning. But I'm not. I am not. I freaking
hated NXT. I absolutely absolutely hated that show. Do you remember,
probably about four years ago, like I just quit reviewing NXT.
It was like NXT two point zero.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, if I was gonna have a day off, we
didn't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I was so sick of this show and I quit.
And then you know, they ended up revamping it and
I'm getting a lot better, and I keep I've said
it over and over again, like I so badly want
to like this show, and it's one of those deals
where for a lot of people, it's probably not a
big deal at all, but it just absolutely drives me crazy,
(07:12):
and it's something that would take seconds to just fix,
and they won't. I watched that show last night, and
I'm not going back. I refuse to go back. But
it was about, I don't know, halfway through I started
to notice not a single time did they identify anybody
(07:33):
in any backstage segment on this show. No, people are
just showing up and they're talking. And I've said it before,
like either put a graphic on the screen or somebody
needs to say somebody's name. All right, I'm not that
old I don't have brain damage. Okay, I know who
most of the people are in the show, but I
(07:55):
still don't remember everybody because there's like ninety people on
the show. What is the frickin' bookworm's name? God help me?
What is his name?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Do you want me to tell you?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What is it? Thank you? Deon Lennox who.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I Deon Lexis earlier when I was trying to figure
just sitting.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
There on a box and then he walks up and
makes some comment and walks off. It's like his third
appearance in six months, third appearance in six months. They
don't identify the guy. And then the real pinnacle to
me was they had a segment in the back and
I am not making this up, as God is my witness,
(08:35):
there were thirteen women on the screen at the same time,
thirteen They didn't identify anybody. And at that point I
was like, you know, forget it, screw the show, Like
why am I watching this? And you know what makes
(08:56):
me so mad about it? Forget me, okay, forget me whatever.
You want to troll me or you're just stupid. I
don't know what the difference is, Like, I don't know
which is worse. Are they trolling me or are they stupid?
Like which is worse? Okay, fine, forget it. You realize
they were like a month away from them moving to
the CW. The CW is on network television. Okay. I'm
(09:19):
not saying that they're gonna get like a billion viewers
or anything like that whatever, but you know there's a
good chance that you're gonna get some new eyeballs on
the CW and you're just gonna throw out eighty different
people and not identify any of them. Yes, we gotta
do your new viewers. You know you're gonna get no
new viewers. Why is this so hard? I went back
(09:40):
during the commercial break because I was like, am I
out of my mind here? I went back and I
turned on Raw. Okay, you know how ROS starts, and
it starts with Wayde Barrett introducing the fans to Joe Tessitur. Okay,
he says the guy's name first off. That's a good
start to this, like identify the guy verbally, and then
there's a giant cry on there, Hey Joe Tessitour. Wow.
(10:05):
So what's next? Okay? Next is a scene where everybody
enters the building. Okay, who enters the building. Gunther, Gunther
right there on the bottom of the screen. The world
champion got identified. Gunther. Okay, you know what walks in next?
See him Punk? See him Punk right down there at
(10:28):
the bottom. Hey, that's CM Punk. See him freaking Punk
gets identified? Switch that. Next, there's the bookworm. No freaking clue.
This guy is no graphic. I have no idea. No
one says his name, like, he's just a guy doing skits.
I'm like, whatever, why do I bother? What's going on here?
(10:53):
What are you doing? Bro? I've told this story a
thousand times. What I was a kid, maybe five times.
I've told this story more times than than I I've
identified that bookworm. When I was a kid, I had
a backyard promotion and we got in public access television.
Okay and ay much, but you know back then there
(11:14):
weren't that many channels. If you had cable, you had
maybe thirty channels. Well one of them was public access.
My show was on there to the point where, like
I went to Spencer's once in the mall, I got recognized,
so people like watch the show. It's like cool, Why
I had no money? Do you understand? You know much
money I had? My teens. I didn't have nothing. I
(11:36):
had a job, but it wasn't like I was filthy rich.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I had a little money, lived at home, okay, but
with my no frickin money, I got one of those
little video catalogs, you know, video production. I didn't even
know how much. It's like four hundred dollars, you know
much four hundred dollars was in nineteen ninety three a
lot man as will be three thousand dollars to day.
And I was broke, Okay, I went out of my way.
(12:02):
I scrounged and saved and taught snot nosed kids how
to do flips, which I'm still bitter about to this day.
And I bought what was called it was like the
this is literally the name of it, the title Maker
two thousand. Because it was the nineties, it seeing so
high tech, man waiting, we see what we can do
in the so anyway, I bought a title maker two thousand.
(12:26):
So on my stupid nothing happening public access wrestling television show, film,
and a gymnastics facility. I could put graphics on the screen. Hey,
here's the Beast, here's the Psycho. This is a white
WF championship match. I did all that. These people in
(12:47):
a freaking multi billion dollar company. They can't put graphics
on the screen for their NXTTV show that they're paid
fifty seventy million dollars a year whatever, And how much
I was paid to be on public accessing. I pay
to do it. All I put on there for free.
I got nothing out of it. I still invested in
a title maker so the viewers could know who everybody was.
(13:09):
These nerds, Oh, everyone knows the bookworm. You know, he's
been on TV three times. He's the guy he takes
his glass off, He's Superman. You told me his name
twenty minutes. If I don't remember his name again, how how
am I supposed to remember a guy's name that's been
on TV three times on a show with ninety other people,
And don't say I'm the only one. So anyway, have
(13:32):
some respect for your audience. Identify people, Tell people who
everybody is. Maybe they'll kind of start to get into
the show. Thirteen women, dude, And the only one I
knew was Brintley Reechs because someone actually said Brinley. If
I knew that, if I can remember who that was,
and I had like a peel box. I'd send him
money for identifying Brintley by saying Brinley. God, you realize
(13:58):
how many old people watch that show. They are worse
memories than I do. How I ain't supposed to remember
the bookworm. I made it through that whole thing done
without swearing. I'm probably not even done yet. So anyway,
I was so angry when the show was over. What
a waste of my time. God, Sidney, you have to
pause the show fifty times to try and remember who
(14:19):
someone's name is so I can write some crap and
a stupid report nobody reads. God, what a life?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, I mean I read it, which is why I
knew you were going to be so angry today. You've
ranted on that immediately as soon as you started typing
away there for the review. And by the time they
got to the famed kitchen of NXT where Ashanti Viadonas
was meeting up with Brindlee and her friend and whoever
(14:47):
else it was there, Eddie Thorpe, you were done with everything.
I was done. They then they sprung the women on
you and.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Spittake here goes. If it's a new or relatively new face,
identify them, But when it's true or Charlie Dempsey, why
do you need to identify them? Because you might have
someone tuning in for the first freaking time and we're
going to c W. We're changing networks here. They identified
c M Punk CM Punk. They identify gun thro the
(15:19):
world heavyweight champion. You know, they're gonna identify when he
comes back, Roman Reigns, Becky Lynch. They identify everybody because
if you're running a business thinking, well, I got all
the viewers I'm gonna get, we ain't gonna get anymore.
Who cares? You should be doing that show thinking every
day ten thousand new people are gonna tune in. They
probably won't, but what if what if they don't like
(15:41):
something on TV? They tune into your show and they're like,
who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Who's that? What's going
on here? I'm gonna go watch Dawson's creak. I'm out
of here. Observer Live, you get a ship the dog
in the mom mean.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Time, you were listening to wrestling Observer Live with Brian
Alvarez and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
You know he had a couple of idiots in here.
They don't get it. But then we got smart people
like this guy here, he goes, I mean NFL games
do it every game. They even I D Patrick Mahomes.
And this guy says, they even I D Taylor Swift
when she's in the stands. It's kind of an industry,
and this industry standard even at the most amateur level. Yeah,
(16:45):
you're right speaking. That's why it's annoying that Mike perv excellent.
You couldn't you couldn't have. You could not have been
a bigger more hunt. That's what it says, Mike. Now
you dirty. It was on a split screen, you know something.
(17:08):
Never that was the most amazing moment in the history
of this show. I get mad because, okay, how many
brands are there in WWE?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Three?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Okay, so the two brands with the absolute biggest stars
identify all the big stars, but the third brand with
a bunch of nobody's nobody gets identified. It's like it's
done on purpose. Here's the thing. It's either done on purpose,
in which case they're idiots, or it's not done on purpose,
in which case they're idiots. There's no option that is
(17:39):
not they're idiots. Fix it.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Look, you're right, I don't understand it. I don't know
if they need to have it to the degree of
trick or any of that stuff. But when it comes
to a lot of these people, because they are in
and out so much and you're trying to establish a
lot of these folks, yes you should do that. On
top of the fact that it looks esthetically pleasing with
the graphics that they've been using on Raw and SmackDown
(18:04):
and some of that auto trickle down to NXT, and
maybe it will when they hit the CW. I find
it difficult to believe that they're going to continue to
do this and risk alienating any possible viewers and risking
you ranting about it every week.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I don't understand why I have to explain this like
I'm talking to children, Like somebody was like you expected
to put thirteen graphics on the screen for all thirteen women. Brother,
take a break, take a deep breath and think, Okay,
all thirteen women were not talking. Okay, four of them did,
(18:44):
so is it that hard to either a put a
graphic on the screen when each of them are talking,
or at the very least say the name of the
person that you're talking to when a shanty the adonnis.
You can't just say Christ here comes a shanty? Is
it that hard? Or if you're not gonna say that,
(19:06):
can you just put the guy's name on the screen.
You ever watched like old Listen, Vince is an idiot,
absolute idiot. Okay, but he knew some stuff. Clearly he
built an empire and that was a decree. When you
do your promo, you must say your name. I'm Jake
the Snake Roberts here on the snake Pit, my guest tonight.
(19:30):
I was watched it yesterday. Jake was interviewing the Honky
talk Man, my guest tonight. He says, has the stupidest
name I've ever heard of. I have never heard a
name dumber than this name I bring to you. He says,
the Honky Tonk Man, what a stupid name. The guy
comes out, you have no like an idiot watching the
(19:50):
show for the first time knows the guy's name is
a Honky Tonk man. These NXT nerds, Uh, Let's throw
Karmen Petrovitch on the screen, not identifier, have her do
some verbal jousting with some dude we don't identify. You're
watching the show going. Why do these two not like
each other? What's going on here? Who are they? Who
(20:13):
is this person? I'd like to know more about them,
but I don't know who they are.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Stupid or in a case like they did to us
a while back, when they had six blondes on screen,
several of them that you hadn't seen in quite some
time or had been in and out of air, it
was like, Okay, well who are these people? Who are
they all? And Brittley Reese is a great example of that.
You know a lot of those folks. You throw a
(20:39):
bunch of names on the screen right now, Can everybody
that's a not a die hard viewer that may be
listening to this show right now, can they identify everyone?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
There's no way. I doubt that's possible. And the thing is,
forget about that. The fact is you want.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
To saturate everybody and drive it home and beat people
over the head with it. And people talk about not
liking that. It's an effective strategy, whether you're WWE or
any other type of business. We talk about it with aew.
They swerve a great example of a guy who goes
out and does all of these things. He's on all
of these podcasts, he's at this concert, he's hanging with
(21:17):
this person, and we don't see it. It'll be online.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
But they don't beat people over the head with it.
And some AW fans are happy about that. They don't
want that style. But the fact of the matter is
it's more effective for AW as a company and as
business that they do beat over the head with it.
They do saturate everybody with it. You may not like it,
you may not bite on it, but guess what, somebody
that's tuning in may find out that he is doing
(21:41):
all this stuff that they're not aware of. So again,
it's a little bit of a different situation, but the
same sort of thing where sometimes you've got to put
yourself in the viewer's position and not think that they
know every little last thing about everything that's taking place.
Just be professional, not in graphics identifying everybody as below
public access level. That's what it is. Come on, all right,
(22:04):
I need to move on. You know what else I'm
mad about?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All out is on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It is, but not at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Dynamites tonight, and brother, we know three matches, we got
one more added cents yesterday. Why is it so hard
to have a card. Can someone explain this to me?
We got three matches Okata versus Kyle Fletcher for the
Continental title?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
How much do he want us to pay for this?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Mariah May versus Nila Rose and Osprey Orange and Kyle
versus Pot, Claudio and Wheeler non title. All we have
announced for this show is MGF gonna be there, is
Mercedes gonna be there, Britt Baker, Chris Jericho, Hangman, Page Swerve.
I don't know. They've announced nothing. So I guess we'll
(22:55):
find out.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You're gonna get some stuff and give us fifty bucks
over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, Ricochet is Shay there? I don't know he should
be Why would he not?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That would be unfortunate. Why would he not be there?
But then again, why would you not? Why would you
not advertise if he was going to be here?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I don't know. I don't know. I'm baffled, all right.
Janelle Grant will not appear in the upcoming Netflix docu
series on Vince. According to Brandon Thurston, the producers did
reach out to Grant's team to interview her for the project,
but were unable to secure her participation. Netflix's documentary group
(23:34):
made an initial outreach to Janelle's representation for an interview
for this project. A spokesperson for Grant said, despite this,
no such interview came to fruition. I think the fact
of the matter is she probably was advised legally not
to do it, right, Yeah, why why would I didn't
realize that this was a thing until you said that,
(23:56):
Because number one, why would she do it when there's
ongoing litiga going on.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Where's the benefit of this at all?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
To her?
Speaker 7 (24:04):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't see it. So I'm surprised that people are
jumping up and down about it. But it's something seems
like it's very simple, she declined. Because of everything that's
going on right now.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I can't imagine they're going to interview Vince and he's
going to give his side of the story of the lawsuit. Well,
same thing. He would be advised not to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Even if she was okay to go ahead and do that,
Why would you want to do it on their forum
when this whole thing is about Vince McMahon exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You don't know it's going to be edited, you don't
know it's going to be clipped up. It would be
foolish for her to give her a sight of the
story on this lawsuit has been filed against AW, Kevin Kelly,
and the Tate Twins. It took me a long time
to figure out who.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The Tate Twins were.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
They are the boys. Kelly alleges defamation from Ian Ricabbonny
and AW steming from Ricabonny making comments on a discord
It channel regarding Kelly being involved in QA and on conspiracies.
He is seeking monetary damages, claiming AW breached his contract.
The situation has made it difficult for him to find
(25:09):
work elsewhere. He was fired in March. Tay Twins were
fired in April. Tony Khin stated publicly their releases were
due to no showing events, which the brothers later attributed
to a miscommunication between them and management after they were
booked to fly out of a different airport than they
normally use. The claim they know showed events is at
the center of the defamation suit against Cohn and AW,
(25:31):
requesting the court certify a class action suit against AW.
Here we go over the company misclassifying its talent as
independent contractors rather than employees. This comes up every few
years and it never goes anywhere. But who knows, never
know when you might get the right judge or the
(25:54):
wrong judge, depending on whose side you're on.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, the demanding a jury trial, that is one thing
that they both sides were not both sides, but the
Taits and Kevin Kelly are wanting. They're seeking in damages
in excess of fifty thousand dollars, and aws Fire filed
a motion to keep it under seal. A judge is
going to have to determine if it's going to remain
(26:19):
that way. You know that if you read I saw
a redacted copy of the lawsuit, and the boys talk
about wanting money owed to them, travel expenses and royalties
that have been owed to them. They say they were
wrongfully terminated due to budget cuts, and then Tony during
(26:43):
the Supercard of Honor a couple of days later, both
the pre and the post show scrums talked about the
fact that it was because they know showed work and
apparently they're claiming that they've been ridiculed for that and
it's been detrimental to their careers as well too, saying
that they've tried to go out and get fucked, but
they haven't had a chance to Kevin Kelly obviously his
(27:06):
case with Ian that that came up and and is
suing him and trying to get monetary damages from him,
saying that he was defamed and talks about going to
hr and not having you know, much success there, and
he has not been able to find work, including saying
that aew blocked him from being able to work the
(27:29):
Altogether show in May. So there's gonna be a lot
more to seemingly that's gonna come from this.
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You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I got the show, Brian Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live.
You know the thing with a defamation lawsuit. I'm no lawyer,
but and if we have any lawyers, they can confirm
or deny what.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm about to say play one on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I'm not plain one. But what what I've heard is
it's a little difficult with defamation because a Kevin Kelly
is a public figure, and B he has to be
able to prove that whatever was said about him, like
Rick Abonnie knowingly knew that it was false and was
actively trying to harm Kevin Kelly. And you know, given
(31:52):
it was stated on a discord that if I recall,
like Ric Abonnie didn't know was going to like go public.
I just feel like that's to be very difficult to
prove that Rick Abonnie knew it was false, sat on
the discord to harm Kevin Kelly, who is a public figure.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, if I recall Corcy, I don't believe that he
called Kevin Kelly a QAN non member. It says that
he shared a movie shared by a you know, q
Andon a lot of people that were QAnon conspiracy theorists
and people that were associated with that really pushed the
sound of Freedom movie and it said he remember hid
(32:32):
him saying that it disappointed him. Again. Now again, you
gotta be I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure
how to parse all of that stuff out.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, did Ian lie knowingly to harm a public figure?
And the public figure part is also hard because he's
a public figure.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
And in the lawsuit it does state that online, you know,
people have drawn the connection you know, and said that
it was a q Andon movie, but then said that
there was no connection between QAnon in the movie, that
that's all been unproven and false. And I reached out
to Ian and didn't get a response. I'm not surprised.
(33:10):
I didn't reach out to aw Brian Solomon did. He
did not get a response, reached out to Kevin Kelly.
He pushed Brian to Stephn p New and I know
that Brandon Thurston has reached out to AW with no
comment yet on any of this stuff. And again, you know,
did this prevent him from earning any other work? To me,
(33:33):
the biggest thing is if they stood in the way
of him working the altogether show, then he's got a
little piece of a complaint that then goes to what
both they are claiming, which is we are employees, we
are not independent contractors, and we.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Have issues with this that in the third So again
AW will find out. I'm sure they don't want this
to go any further than it really is. You know, again,
they filed a motion to keep everything under seal, and
I'm sure that this because they were contracts that they
(34:10):
are if anything, would rather have this an arbitration because
we see that with companies all the time, of all sizes,
not the least of which has been WWE that wants
to get the Janelle Grant situation to arbitration because it
prevents a whole lot of possibly messy things from coming
out and being public.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
And at the least it prevents some things that are
in I'm sure that their private their employee handbook, all
those sorts of things. I'm sure they want to keep
under vests. So we'll see ultimately in the next couple
of days and a couple of weeks here what ends
up shaken out of this. But it's really it seems
(34:51):
like an uphill battle to me, just personally, again being
a layman, not really knowing. It just seems like it's
a real uphill battle. And I've seen this fight with
independent contractors employees for a long time. And if you
want that to be the case, you have to unionize.
It's not going to be a class action lawsuit that
does it. It's going to be actually banding together and
(35:14):
unionizing and getting support from other established unions. Otherwise this
is never going to happen. I don't think it's ever
gonna happen anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Well, Cogan signed a new five year deal with the company.
He said on Logan Paul's Impulsive podcast, five year deal, licensing, merchandising,
ambassador stuff. If they need me to do something for Usselman,
I just love doing it. It's definitely different. Did you
see any the clips from this podcast?
Speaker 6 (35:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Okay, I never will. I hope.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I was I was on I was on X and
I was scrolling. And also there's Hogan and Logan Paul
and this clip that I watched, and granted, you know,
they take they take clips, they take like the best
clips to put online or whatever, and and uh, like.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
The one you're gonna put up in my name later.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I didn't do that, dude, You're gonna split screen and
you held it up and that's what it said. I
have nothing to do with video. Now Hogan is talking
to Logan Paul and he's putting him over. I've never
seen somebody, you know, blah blah blah, it's the usual bs.
And then I don't remember what he said, because like
(36:30):
I was just in awe of what I was watching.
But Hogan said something about how he oh God, can
someone help me? What did he say? But the point
is that he mentioned the terms work and shoot. He said,
if this happens, is it a work or a shoot?
And the question he asked, I gotta I will say this.
(36:56):
I've not seen the Ben wal clip. This is a
different clip, so I gotta say the first. Okay, Logan
Paul sitting there behind the mic in this podcast, I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
What was up.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
He looked like at least three quarters of his brain
had been removed. He's barely functioning. Okay, he's got this.
I don't know, man, I don't watch this show, but
I'm watching this clip and I'm like, this guy's barely functioning.
He doesn't know what's going on. But then Hogan asks
this question involving the terms work and shoot, and Logan
(37:34):
is just like, and I will say, to be fair,
I also had that exact same look on my face
after Hogan asked this question. I was like, what are
you talking about? I should have gone back to find out,
but that was not the important thing. He just asked
this question that makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
He's like, he ask him like, what if when Harley
Race came in and shot on me?
Speaker 10 (38:00):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
What what was that?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
What was it? No? It was something like he goes.
He goes, if if we have a match and you
make five hundred dollars and I make five thousand dollars,
is that a work or a shoot? Like I'm pretty
sure that was his question. And I was like, if
(38:24):
he makes five hundred and you make, is that a what?
I was like just absolutely confused, and Logan had to
look on his face of absolute confusion. Okay. Then Logan goes,
I don't understand what you're saying, and so it's okay.
(38:46):
It's okay at this point because I don't get it either.
And then Hogan goes, if we have a match and
you make five hundred and I make five thousand, is
that a worker shoot? I'm still like, what are you
talking about? But then Logan says, I don't understand what
that means, like, I know what a work is, but
(39:09):
what's a shoot? And Hogan does the Steve Austin thing
from that one show where uh, what's what's her face?
Made that comment about her favorite match being Alicia Fox
or whatever. Hogan just like he all of a sudden
becomes Terry Bolea. He's at a character and he just
he turns and he looks at the camera like what
(39:30):
and he goes, you don't know what a shoot is?
And Logan goes no, and Logan's co host jumps in.
He goes, no, Logan, he doesn't know what a shoot is,
but he doesn't understand your question, and Logan goes, I
don't know what a shoot is, and as part of
(39:50):
goes no, no, no, Hogan, he knows what a shoot
is and Logan's like, you're embarrassing me, and I'm like,
what is happening here?
Speaker 10 (39:59):
What?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
What is happening here? So I think he was serious
he doesn't know what a shoot is. But I like,
this was a ten second clip of this podcast. I'm like,
I can't watch it, Like I can't, Okay, I just can't.
But there's part of me that's like, I gotta watch
(40:20):
this whole show. I have to watch it. But anyway, man, dude, what.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
I think he knows what a rib is.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Probably well after that, oh god, well, I mean, look,
do you remember the story about when Chris Candido was
the NWA World Champion. He was dying to meet Luthez.
So he finally meets Luthez and Sez. You know, they're
talking back and forth and oh, you're the champion. This
is nineteen ninety four or five or whatever it was,
(40:51):
after Shane Douglas had already thrown it down and just
gotta be careful, kid, when you're going out there, you
gotta be careful. Yeah, watch out for the double Cross.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Nineteen ninety four. Now we got it. But look we're
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Well, it's funny, but three years later there was a
double cross. Well but in twenty twenty four with boxing
and with maybe they just the term shoot fighting, the
term shoot. It's just maybe people don't know what it's
like hooking. Like do you think how do you not
know the term shoot in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Four because he's not a wrestler.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He is a wrestler. He's like, he's been in big
time matches. He's traded, Yeah, but in what environment though,
even if he hadn't done that, well, he's he's listened
to a podcast in his lifetime.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
But maybe look if he's that again, I don't know
how that dude's mind functions, and I don't want to.
But like Pat McAfee when he was down there, you know,
getting made fun of by Rep Rogers, I'm sure he
knows what a shoot is. I know, I'm sure a
lot of people, especially if they went through training or
what you know, or of a certain age. But like
if Bad Bunny or Logan Paul or like, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Surprised does anybody on the chat not know what a
shoot is?
Speaker 8 (42:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
But look, is there one person just be honest, is
there one person doesn't know what a shoot is. I'll
tell you what's a shoot. These ratings SmackDown two point
zero five four million and a point five three eighteen
to forty nine, down a little bit, and is their
last Fox show on Friday. It's gonna do gigantic numbers.
Romans there. Then they moved to USA and I'll be
(42:29):
there next Friday to watch it rampage two hundred and
eighteen thousand viewers, second lowest total viewership in the history
of the show. And that's against the show the win
head head with the Olympics, So with no Olympic competition,
this was a point oh seven.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Welcome to football.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That number sucks. And then I think we all knew
this was gonna happen, but Brandon Thurston just posted the
collision ratings. This was the collision that went head to
head with actually didn't go head to head.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
It was.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh yeah, that's bad, brother, dude.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Well it didn't go head to head with.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
It didn't go ahead to head, but it was on
AWE pay perview day.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
On the first weekend of college football.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I just realized it's actually this Friday where they're
gonna die because they're going head They're going head to
head with SmackDown on Friday night.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
It looks Saturday night, mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Collision did a he did to eighty nine Collision to
eighty nine and a point one, the lowest in the
history of Collision, and that includes all preemptions. There has
never been an episode of Collision that did fewer viewers
any day, anytime, any out of whatever, ever than the
(43:48):
show on Saturday night, which was on a WWE pay
perview day, which actually aired earlier in the morning, two
hundred and eighty nine thousand viewers in a point one.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
So this is coming Friday head ed was Smackedown on five.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, and then this Saturday. You know, people will say, hey,
you know, well it was head to head with SmackDown,
move days and all that stuff. October fifth is that
the day of the pay per view in Atlanta that
is going to be an earlier pay per view star
time for WWE. The same day that UFC is the
same day that the both baseball Playoff League Division Series begins.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
On top of.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
College football, with a lot more rivalries going on, They're
gonna get swamped, you know, unless something changes and I
don't know what it can be right now. They just
have to keep trudging through and hopefully get to the
beginning of the year and start over. Brian Rose knows
they didn't announce anything for Collision until the day before.
It's like a broken record. Back in a moment, it
(44:47):
was we're live.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Feel better. At least.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I'm gonna go eat some Ribs'll make him feel better. Well,
we're out of time, everybody. What's today Wednesday? Yes, well
tonight we'll be watching the Dynamite show. Hopefully they identify people.
I will be back with Dave later Mack here tomorrow
for this show Observer Live. And hey, if you're listening,
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I think I might call Stephen p No.
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