April 29, 2025 • 47 mins
Bryan teases all the matches this week and updates all the news form the weekend.
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Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well we're back here on the show. Brian Alvarez here
Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simpervv also Wrestling Observer dot com,
and old filthy Tom Lawler is here. We got a
lot to talk about today, and uh, I done got
set off, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight,
not gonna fight today, So we'll just talk about other
(06:34):
stuff for a while. Oh no, no, no, no, no
no no, I'm not doing it right now. We've got
bigger things to talk about, like, uh, Tom, I hear
your your h What are you now now that you've
teamed with all? I mean, are you part of the
bullet club?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
What are you now? You team with? You teamed and
faced Hakoo King hack Coo this weekend.
Speaker 8 (06:58):
Yes, I did. I w wrestling Saturday night in Akron, Ohio.
I was set to face King Haku. We were gonna
find out who the toughest man in wrestling history really is.
And I got in there with him, and unfortunately, some
scrubs Tyson ready.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean unfortunately this sounds like fortunately.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Well it was pretty cool too, but after about a
minute we were interrupted and we were challenged. We were challenged.
They said you know what the guy said? He said,
who booked Suzuki Butterbean two.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
If you guys, so, you guys should take me and
my partner on if you're mad enough. And me and
King Haku were like, oh boy, are we ever.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
See who booked this?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
John Thorn?
Speaker 8 (07:50):
John Thorn, Yes of AIW Wrestling, Hi w.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
John, Listen, if you're listening to me, you made a
big mistake, brother, because like when they when they said
that who booked Butterbean versus Zuki two? And then they
challenged Haku and Filthy Tom to a match under no
circumstances should that have happened the same night that should
have been booked for the next show in the main event.
(08:15):
I literally would have bought a ticket. I would have
flown there to watch it.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
Like god, Oh, Haku and I beat up, took out, destroyed, decimated, annihilated, Tyson,
Riggs and Kaplan once again a caplin falls at the hands. Yes,
and then King Hakou and I put up the fingers.
(08:43):
We gave each other the too sweet to signify that
not only is nWo for life, so was the Bullet Club.
And then I threw up the one.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
Wow we go.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
Three factions in one night?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Handle well the one the one was for Jimmy Hart's
first family.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Was that those family? I got it?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I got it all four?
Speaker 10 (09:12):
How about that?
Speaker 7 (09:15):
All right?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I wish I'd been there for that, Tom, I
wish I'd been there, But you know you and I man,
we got a big date coming up for a podcast
with with Kurt Angle, don't we?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Live show with Kurd Angle, Spokane, Washington at the Northern
Quest Casino, May seventeenth, I believe, just two days after
my upcoming forty second birthday.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Wow, what yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
What a better way to spend it than hanging out
with Brian Alvarez, the esteemed Brian Alvarez and gold medalist
who won it with a broken freaking neck her Angle.
Speaker 10 (10:02):
It's gonna be awesome and it is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, anyway, that sounds really exciting, and we do have
to talk about since I know Mike of course has
a big audio nightmare, Tom is on the stardom beat,
we got to talk about the end of the crewer.
Don't think you can say that, Well, we haven't for
a while, but for a while we did the the
end of Tam Knockano's career.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Tom, Yes, sad I guess. I mean these Joe, She's
seem to have a shorter life span as far as
their inn ring time goes than most of the other
styles and competitors around the world. So it's not, you know,
uncharacteristic for somebody to go out while they're relatively at
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the top. But you know, tam Knockano has been around
for a while, and you know, now's the time. Now's
the time for her to leave. She's retired. But I
mean she's not the only person gone from stardom. Oh oh,
there's a lot. So I mean Tam Knockao, sure, she's
gone from the wrestling world, but Stardom also fired the
(11:11):
Toxic Spider, Thekla.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, and then who's going to be doing some dates
in America?
Speaker 8 (11:18):
And then also it was announced Mayu Iwaitani, who fell
to shury the greatest female wrestler of all time, lost
the IWGP Woman's title to her. And now we'll be
departing stardom as well. She's been there since the very
first show in boy, can we fact check this twenty eleven? Maybe?
Speaker 10 (11:43):
And uh now now she'll be gone, Mike A.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
NAT's it's an end of an era in a lot
of ways. It's gonna be interesting to see what Mayui
Watani does. Obviously she's got a relationship with rossi Ogawa
in the Mari Gold promotion, but it's going to be
interesting to see if she has gotten all of branches
extended from the United States. There's been talk about her
following Kyrie saying and in Eo Sharai to WWE AW
(12:12):
I would be sure would have some interest in her
as well. The most interesting name to me though, is
Thekla because no offense to the other women, but she's
got a lot less miles on her career right now.
She's got a unique style, a unique look, and probably
is somebody who is going to be in demand down
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the line. If these indie dates go well here in
the States that AWWWE wouldn't be looking at her because
she seems perfect for them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, last night Dave said that Mautani might end
up in WE or AW and a lot of people
got mad. I don't know it's going to be Mary Gold.
It could be Mary Gold. It could but you know what,
WWE and AW are paying a lot of money right now,
a lot of money, and they would both want her,
(13:03):
and I do not think that that is out of
the question at.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
All, Brian, if I were a company trying to make
inroads into other areas like it seems like WWE is
willing to do at this point. You know, they've already
worked with Marigold in the past, so you know, would
it really be out of you know, out of character
for my Ewaitani to be working for WWE but also
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beyond these big Marigold shows, And the same could be
said for Decla Dekla is oh boy, Hungarian. Maybe she's
from somewhere in Europe. I probably screw that one up,
but I got the I got the stardom debut date right,
so maybe I did on that one as well.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
But from Madan is where she's from.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Mike, That's not a real place. I know there's a
lot of former Eastern Bloc countries with bizarre names, but
that is not a real place. She's European of some nature.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
God, I know what did you all the time? He
has a stickler for facts.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
God, sorry to throw you off. Good start today, guys, Tom, you.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Don't even know where she's from.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
You guess from she's from Europe?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
God? Anyway, what's your point.
Speaker 10 (14:24):
Well, they're they're trying to get it to Europe as well.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well yeah, sure Austrian.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Sorry Austrian. Had they used to be the same country,
My bad.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, supports. As Maya was mentioned in the past, she
dealt with homesickness in the past when she visited the US. Well,
I'm sure she did. But you know you mentioned, you
mentioned Austria. You know who else is from Austria? Gunther
and uh and for years when he was Walter, he
also was homesick and said he would never he would
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never move and uh and then one day he did
and that was the end of that. So things change, guys,
Things change. We shall see where everybody ends up. But
do not rule anything out, especially now with like you know,
both AW and WWE. I mean, they're heavy in recruiting
mode and they got a lot of money.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
So yeah, it gonna be a lot disappointed Japanese wrestling fans.
And I'm sure Adam and I when we do the
big Audio Nightmare tomorrow and talk about this. I brought
this up before about guys coming over here where you know,
it feels like Japanese baseball and American baseball now because
America can pay so much, to such a ridiculous degree
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that there's gonna be a lot of people who end
up leaving New Japan and all of these other promotions,
maybe a lot earlier than their fans really want them to.
But you got to take the opportunities when they're there.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
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Speaker 1 (16:18):
Trying to hold in my frustration.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
All right, give me at least a genre. What has.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It's uh, but I'm moving on here. I don't want
to get in this fight. It's wasting my time. It
makes people mad.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So what else do we got?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Raw is tonight, Rhea Ripley versus Roxanne Perez. We got
Seth Paul and Braun Breaker appearing as part of their
new faction. Pad McPhee will address the attack by Gunther,
which I presume sets of a match, and Becky Lynch
will address the attack on Lyra Valcy as I like
to call her. That's coming up tonight, and then tomorrow
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is NXT with Ricky Saints versus Lexus King for the
North American title, Hank and Tank versus Briggs and Ina Mura,
which actually should be quite a slobber knocker. That's for
the tag team titles, and Tony D and Stacks have
a face to face.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
I hope Hank and Tank are ready because they're going
to get hit really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh, they're ready. You don't think they're gonna hit, They're
gonna hit.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yeah, I'll tell you what does it hit? According to Stacks,
and that's Tony D's mom's risotto.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Oh that's fighting words.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That of my Wednesday has got Hangman Page versus Kyle
Fletcher and the Owenehart Foundation Tournament's semifinals, which should be great.
We got Every time I read this all star eight
man tag I immediately think of like nineteen eighty nine
Survivor series. We got Kenny Omega, Speedball, Mark Brisco and
Kevin Knight against the Young Bucks, Okada and Ricochet.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
If we had to give these teams and names, what
would they be?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I have to think about that for you.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Omega's onslaught against you know, the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Versus the speed Balls. Don't know, Tony Storm will less
you a title eliminator open challenge. I can't imagine who
might accept that. Hurt Syndicate will appear live and MGF
will appear live, probably together. But they've listened that as
two different segments. So that's the lineup for the next
couple of days.
Speaker 9 (18:36):
There, Ramis, that's what sticked you off.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, it's nothing like that. Okay, it's people arguing with
me about common sense. Okay, I'm trying not to lose
it here. God alright, I'm trying to just like talk
about something else, So I forget about it, Okay. Raymonds
sterio surgery to repair the injury that force and miss
Mania forty one. So I thought it was as groin.
It was actually as abductor, which is near your groin.
(19:02):
I've been told. So he tore it. He's gonna be
out for a while. It was when he got yanked
out of the ring, just a normal bump, nothing weird
about it, and hurt himself. And by the way, I
don't really have an update on Leon Slater. If you
guys watched the TNA pay per view last night. Lord,
this guy did a cent on four p fifty onto
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about six guys, didn't hit one, not one of them,
and splat on the ground. I thought he was dead
on a door nail. And he got right back up
and kept working. But the impression that I got is
he definitely woke up sore, no kidding, I guess to
put it mildly.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Well, we now know why aj Francis played defensive line
at the University of Maryland instead of a tight end
because he's the biggest guy in the middle of that
pile of men who was supposed to catch him and
oops a little seven ten split there. I'm gonna ask
both of because Brian, I know you have kind of
pushed back against this in the past, but dives from
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a certain height, especially coming down doing four fifties on
top of somebody. Cody Hall, Scott Hall's son did get
injured while he was working with All Japan. I believe
that it was when somebody did a dive and he
didn't he was in the wrong position. But at some point,
I mean, aren't you putting guys necks and backs on
the line way too much? Because one slip of somebody
(20:27):
trying to get up to help you catch somebody, and
they push you over.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, listen, I'll explain this.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
Tell me why this is not insane.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, i'll tell you it is insane a minute. But
I spent too much time on Bryan and Vinnie last
night because I was formulating these things in my head.
I have a much easier way to explain it now.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
If you're jumping off something high, okay, where there's an
added danger to it because of the height, all right,
you cannot do a vertical dive onto people standing vertically, Okay,
because what happened is it's just like you know whatever
now I'm seeing now I'm making.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
It too force.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
No, it's it's you're you're facing the same direction that
everyone else is facing, so you can just slide right
through them. It happens on Moon Salts, it happens on
as i Ez, It happens on Fourth. Anytime where you're
rotating on the vertical plane and people are standing vertically,
you can like you can miss them. If you want
to jump off something really high, you need to dive
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horizontally onto people standing vertically. Then it's impossible to not
catch you. Okay, Like there was a dive last night
when it was in that uh the street fight and
who was it? Thing on all my notes right here,
it was Mustafa Ali went up onto like the second
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level and he dove off onto Mike Santana and a
bunch of Ali's seconds. Okay, Well he did a high
cross and so like everybody caught him to the point
where nobody budged when they caught him, and then they
all had to fall down, and it was it was silly,
but it was safe. So going like vertically on a
vertical dude's fifteen feet in the air. I mean, it's
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just it's too dangerous. He should have done a high
cross or like a torneo, a vertical torneo or something
where like you can't not be caught. But like Charlotte
does the moon salt off the post. You know, people
miss her hangman.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
More than ever. Now people hit that moon salt and
split people.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well they land on their feet now because they know
they're not going to be caught, right because it's really
hard to catch that way.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
So anyway, well, also the angle he was going at
was not conducive to catching anybody. No, staying safe. No,
as well. You know, like if you're jumping off of
a structure, you're not going straight down. You're usually running
and jumping, you know what I mean. So you're clearing
a greater distance and you're not coming at somebody from
(23:01):
the top at the top of their head. You're coming
at them where you could.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
See the person.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
This was just dangerous on all all.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, the easiest catch makes it sick. Yeah. The easiest
catch is when you and your opponent are at ninety
degree angles, so you're vertical they come at you horizontally,
or you're horizontal and they come at you vertically or whatever.
You never see a splash where like one guy's feet
are facing the turnbuckles and then you jump off and
you squish them like this. You would never see that
(23:29):
be stupid.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Yeah, I don't want to give too much away, but
a lot of times, if I'm gonna catch somebody on
a moon salt, you know, I'll ask this person where
do you want me to be? Do you want me
to catch you or do you want me to like
shoot underneath you so that you land over the top
of me and like smack on my shoulders. And it
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seems as if nowadays that's the preferred method because people
cannot you know, you can't rely on somebody else to
catch you.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, think about what the old moon salt even used
to be. It used to be you would stand facing
away from your opponent and when you jumped, you would
kind of like, you know, if they were gonna catch
you standing, you would jump and twist and would kind
of be like a high cross. It wasn't. And if
you were, if you were gonna do it onto the mat,
you would be you know, you would do it normal
and they would be horizontal to you. But it's recent
(24:20):
where it's like I'm gonna do a moon salt and
you're gonna catch me standing, but I'm gonna still commit
you vertically. So all you see your knees, there's knees
flying at your face, and you know, you just get
the heck out of the way and then they crash.
So anyway, how do we even get into that? Oh,
Leon Slater, Leon Slater was hurting this morning. God, that's
(24:43):
what's That's why it's nice to be twenty. Ryan Danielson
is not twenty. He's forty three, and he was asked
about rustling again and he said, no inclination, no desire.
He said, six months leading my last match were so hard.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
My was so bad.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
There's things I couldn't do, he said. Is One of
his final matches was Okada on October tewod Dynamite. The
rules were Ocatta's Continental championship was on the line for
just the first twenty minutes. He said, the story should
be I'm pushing, pushing, pushing, trying to get the fall
downe in the first twenty minutes, but my legs couldn't
do it. So that was the point where I was like,
(25:22):
I'm not physically able to do some of the things
I should that this story requires me to do. He
has not gotten next surgery. He's he's trying stem cells.
He still may need surgery, but he wants to avoid it.
So I would not even expecting a lot of Brian
Danielson matches down the road here. What about you, Tom?
(25:43):
What about you? And like stem cells or something. You're
very crooked.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
More whysically, emotionally, You're a little.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Crooked in a lot of ways. But I mean, golly,
when we were hanging out in Vegas, I was like,
this guy looks like he's hurting.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
He needs to go. What's the person you go to?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's not a chiro, Well he should start with just
a chiropractor and just try to like get straight.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
And then you've seen the witch doctor before, No, you haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
He'd take one look at you and he'd be like,
I don't know, man, I don't know. Do you have
one of those Oh yeah, you did show me. You
showed me your kids thing outside where you hang upside down?
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Yeah, You're like, oh, do you have the structure gimmick,
the backstretching gimmick by his legs? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
All? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Does it help?
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I don't think anybody wants to hear about this.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You mean you don't want to talk about it? Yeah, okay,
just trying to help. Hul Cogan and Eric Bischoff are
allegedly reuniting for a new project with a mystery third man.
Why did I start this?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I could talk about this for hours. Okay. First off,
it's probably like a podcast or something. There's no way
they're trying to start a wrestling promotion, like it's just
number one, you know, Come on, Houlkin and Bischoff starting
a wrestling promotion. The very idea is preposterous. But I
mean even if, like even if they had Vince McMahon
(27:18):
along with him and he had all this money, It's like,
where are you gonna get talent? You know what I'm saying?
Like all of the best talent, for the most part
is like signed somewhere, and like if you're not signed
to one of those two places, why would you go
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Speaker 1 (31:03):
Here on the show, Brian Alvarez here, Oh, I see
what happened.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Tom doesn't want me to make any mention of anything,
so uh, I won't. All right, We're back here on
the show, Brian, Mike Simpervie. There's always there's always what's
the mystery?
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Oh, people don't want to talk about anything, do they?
Speaker 7 (31:24):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I want to talk about some stuff, but I'm not
gonna maybe maybe later this week. Maybe later this week.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
You know, you know what it is, Go ahead, you
know what it is.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's like I really want AW to succeed, and like
I see these things that happen all the time, and
like they're little things that add up. But I always
bang heads with these absolute hardcore AW fans who want
like nothing to change, Like everything is fine and everything
is good, and why do we need this is a
big one. Why do we need video packages? It's okay
(31:55):
for the announcer to just say something, I don't want
video package. I don't want to be a hammer. It's
just like, God, come on, man, Like this is basic
common sense business to like have video packages on all
your shows in case people missed it. Okay, I know
you who are arguing with me. Never misses a show.
I know you who are arguing with me. If you
(32:16):
do miss a show, you find some way to go back.
And okay, that's not everybody, and that's not even most people.
Do you understand this guy today? Now I'm off? He
says to me, are you ready?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right, because I was arguing about why we needed
video packages for like, you know, RAPONGI Vice apparently like
they reunited and turned heel and like, I missed one show.
I have no idea what's going on? And he says,
for God's sake, use your TV time to reward your
viewers who are watching, not to catch up the people
who I may have missed the show because it was
(32:51):
WrestleMania week. Okay, bro, come on listen. First off, that's
that's passive aggressive behavior. Okay, So the promotion is to
be like, oh, you skipped our show for another show,
Well screw you, We're not gonna We're not gonna tell
you what happened. You know you should have watched our show.
That to me, as a fan, makes me feel like, dude, really,
(33:12):
like there was a lot of shows that weekend. I
had other stuff. I'm not cheating on you because there's
other stuff that I had to watch, dude, like if
the angle's important, like do a replay or whatever. And
then the other thing is here's the thing about. Yes,
you should reward your fans. You should you know your
loyal fans or loyal fans and everything like that. But
let me tell you, this isn't wrestling, guys. This is business. Okay.
(33:37):
You own a business and X number of customers visit
your business regularly. Okay, they're regular customers. Okay, no matter
how well you treat them. If you have five hundred customers, okay,
regular customers, over the course of five years, you will
(33:58):
not have those same five hundred customers anymore. Okay. Some
of them are going to die, some of them are
going to move. Some of them, no matter how loyal
they are, they're going to find another store nearby. And so,
no matter what business you have, no matter how many
customers or clients or whatever you have, you will always
(34:18):
slowly be losing them. And if you do not replace
them with new customers, you will go out of business.
You will slowly trickle down and your business will die.
There's one at the bottom of the hill. It's called
Right Aid. Okay, the same people have been going to
this Right Aid for seventy five years. I wandered in
(34:42):
there the other day. There's no one there under the
age of seventy five. They're all the same old people.
Right Aid is not getting new young people to go
to their store. They're and you know what, the show
will The store will remain in business until tragically those
people die, and then they will have no other customers. Okay,
I don't care how much you like aw You are
(35:05):
slowly going to lose viewers, and if you don't replace
them with new viewers, the show will trickle into death. Okay, Now,
how do you get new viewers to watch the show? Well,
if they miss a show, you help bring them up
to speed. If they miss an angle, you help bring
(35:25):
them up to speed. You don't punish them for missing
a show. You don't say you know what, you should
have watched over Mania weekend, or you should have flown
home on Tuesday and found a way to watch collisions
so you know what happens. You don't act passive aggressive
to the people who are not the die hard fans. Yes,
if you're a hardcore fan, you can like give them
(35:46):
a little extra or whatever, you know, treat them right.
But you must create a new audience. You must presume
every show your goal is to create a new fan.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why is this even an argument. There's a reason that
WWE now is significantly larger than they were in twenty nineteen.
They didn't just please the fans they had in twenty nineteen.
In twenty nineteen, they were losing fans hand over fist.
So they found a way to not only replace the
(36:21):
fans that they lost, but also create new fans on
top of that. So if they had one thousand fans
I'm just using an easy number, and they've lost five
hundred of them over the last six years, they not
only have got five hundred new fans to replace those people,
but they've created another five hundred new fans on top
(36:42):
of that, because now they have fifteen hundred fans. Okay,
so how did they do that? Well, every show you're
led by the hand because you may be a new
viewer on any given day. I miss a show here
and there, like I missed I think I missed this
week's n XT. I think I missed a show, but like,
(37:04):
I have no question what's going on because they told
me everything when I tuned in on the next show.
Unlike aw were oftentimes I miss one show, not even
Dynamite a collision. I miss one show, and then next
time I watched the show, I'm like, Trent's back, he's
a heel. No, it's not enough to say Trent and
(37:26):
Rocky reunited. They did. I even asked tamout, like I said,
what happened? He goes? They they got involved in a
match afterwards. I was like, against who he goes? I
don't remember it was against Uh, He's like trying to
remember what happened. They could have just showed just what happened,
unless it's not important, in which case don't. Okay, but
(37:49):
I'd like to think that Raponkivice reuniting and Trent coming
back and being healthy enough to wrestle, and in Rocky
turning heel and being a new tag team. Now, I
like to think that's important. So like, show me what happened.
If I miss the show, I just feel like I
argue the same thing over and over and I'm just
like pushed back on. No, we don't need recaps. No,
we don't need recaps. It's up to the fans. It's
(38:11):
up to the fans to figure out what's going on.
It's up to the fans to like what is going
on with Jeff, Jared and the oddities. I don't have
any idea. I have to make it up in my head.
What's happening here.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
That doesn't seem ideal? And you know what, Rocky and
Trend are back together. There were pong Ice. Maybe you
ought to explain that to everybody who is.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, you know how many people have never even heard
of her Pongkivice.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
A lot look Kenny Omega and Kazuchko Okada. For a
lot of people who never saw Kazuchko Okada in New Japan,
they cannot look at him in his aw form and
get the fact that he was one of the great
wrestlers I frankly of all time. And frankly, Omega and
Okada together and New Japan were did amazing things. Like
you may need to explain this backstory a lot more.
(39:00):
Otherwise it's just this guy who is a complete cartoon
who drops you know, the B word constantly. It's like,
you know, okay, Yeah, his reputation is there. Start showing
video packages, start hyping this thing up. It's supposed to
be one of the cornerstones of your WrestleMania show coming up,
and Okada is still playing goofball with Hangman Page. I mean,
(39:21):
that's something you got to drive home to people that
don't know about their story to try to make them
care about it.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
See, I watched that TNA pl e. I went live
over Wrestlmingia weekend, went to TNA. I had a good
time at a fun time. The next day, Joe Hendry
shows up at WrestleMania and whatever you think about the
whole thing, it's like, wow, you know there's a TNA
World Champion on WrestleMania. And so like this week over
the weekend, you know, me, Vine and Craig, all of
us were like, man, let's watch that TNA pay per view. Okay,
(39:50):
I don't know what's going on. I don't watch TNA. Okay. So,
like I watched the pay per view, and I will
say they did a pretty good job. But as a
first time viewer, there were things where it's like, who
is this woman running in and why? And then they
like the best they did was they threw her name
out and I was like, that doesn't help. Who is she?
(40:11):
Why is she interfering? And then you know, they kind
of explained it there at the end, but like they
had video packages for all the matches, and I would say,
you know, I largely was kind of brought up to
speed by how they did things on the pay per view,
but they could have done better. And yes, as a fan,
it does irritate me when WWE presumes they have a
(40:31):
new audience and Michael Cole goes into Michael Cole mode
where he has to over explain everything. But you know what,
if I'm really a fan of WWE, then I will
accept that because the point of it is to create
new fans and grow the product and the business so
(40:51):
I can watch a show and see seventeen thousand people
there going haywire for everything that's going on, It's worth
it to me as a fan to suffer a little
bit with something that I find a little irritating if
it's for the good of the entire company. And it's
the same thing with a W and TNA and everyone else. Yes,
you may not like recaps, that's fine, but do you
(41:13):
like a W because if you're a fan, you should
accept those because there's a reason for them, and it's
called growing your business. Golly, I'm sorry, everybody.
Speaker 9 (41:28):
Sorry, needed to be said. It needed to be said, boss.
These people need to know.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
Enough said.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
How'd you like SmackDown, Tom? You're a Smackdow reviewer.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
I thought it was a really good show.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
I mean that main event five stars, if you ask me,
that was pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
TLC match between the Street Profits DIY and MotorCity machine
Guns off the charts.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
And no commercials, not even I will yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Anyways, I watched it, you know, start to finish, and
it was fantastic, Like I said, but it wasn't overly dangerous,
you know what I mean. Sometimes some of these matches
rely on stuff that is just so over the top
and violent, and this was not one of those. This
was creative. It hit all the right spots at the
(42:23):
right times. And I think it's, you know, one of
the god one of the best tag matches of the year.
You don't think it's, Brian, Is this up there with
your vaunted speed jet Take it on? The Young Bucks
from last week were the best tag matches of the
year in one week.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Oh It's like, who's the speed jet?
Speaker 9 (42:44):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, that was a great match, that Young Bucks match.
But you know what, you know, there was one difference
between the the Young Bucks match and that TLC match.
I like the aw commentary team a lot, but holyokes,
this Joe Testitur. I told you, bro, I told you. Hey, listen,
people think I won't admit I was wrong. Man, I
(43:06):
was wrong, Dude. I thought, oh my god, here we
are bringing another guy from outside of wrestling. He has
a sports background. They've done this countless times. They come
and go. It's like, you know, but this guy is
not only great, but he is the best commentator in WWE.
He's better than Wade Barrett. I mean, he's better than everybody.
He's better than Corey Graves. I know people love Corey Graves.
(43:29):
Joe Testador is the best commentator in all of WWE.
He is freaking awesome. He's miles better than Michael Cole.
He's just great.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Jiminey Christmas, you know, is this the strongest commentary team
they've had.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Bottom Definitely in a long time, I would say, But really.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
Your bench is essentially Corey Graves in NXT, who was
fantastic at what he does. I mean, you know, you
see where they're at.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, he's he's something else, dude. And there's like no
bad commentators. Some people will say Booker t but like
he entertains me. He's not the sole commentator. He's he's
like he's color commentary. What's color commentary supposed to be?
Brings some color to the show. I got a guy
calling all the moves and everything like that and telling
(44:20):
the stories, and then you got Booker saying shucky ducky
quack quack here and there. It makes me laugh, makes
me mad. He brings emotion out of me much better
than a robot.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
Which is what you want out of these guys. Like
there's people that don't like Joe tessitur doing football, college
football and other things, but that's Gus Johnson is another
person who's a lightning rod. But you're also not going
to watch the game because they're on there. Pat McAfee
can be really annoying sometimes and maybe you know, it's
we'll see how it goes with the gun. Third thing,
maybe they should give him some time off, you know,
(44:55):
before he comes back. But it's break time back in.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
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In the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive, Lance
texta he goes, I just watched a Bosh Legacy on
Amazon as a streaming series. Nobody is watching episode four
without seeing episode one. However, they do a previously on
recap before every episode just to remind you of important
stuff on the previous show because people with a life
can't remember everything.
Speaker 9 (45:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, some people shade, but it's true.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Guess what they do before every single fight in the
UFC They show you a little recap about the guy
because more than likely you don't know who the hell
they are if throw on the undercard.
Speaker 10 (45:57):
Yeah, but it helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It does help a lot. Tom, what do you got
coming up?
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Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well we're back here on the show. Brian Alvarez here
Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simpervv also Wrestling Observer dot com,
and old filthy Tom Lawler is here. We got a
lot to talk about today, and uh, I done got
set off, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight,
not gonna fight today, So we'll just talk about other
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no no, I'm not doing it right now. We've got
bigger things to talk about, like, uh, Tom, I hear
your your h What are you now now that you've
teamed with all? I mean, are you part of the
bullet club?
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What are you now? You team with? You teamed and
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Speaker 8 (06:58):
Yes, I did. I w wrestling Saturday night in Akron, Ohio.
I was set to face King Haku. We were gonna
find out who the toughest man in wrestling history really is.
And I got in there with him, and unfortunately, some
scrubs Tyson ready.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean unfortunately this sounds like fortunately.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Well it was pretty cool too, but after about a
minute we were interrupted and we were challenged. We were challenged.
They said you know what the guy said? He said,
who booked Suzuki Butterbean two.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Wow, wow.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
If you guys, so, you guys should take me and
my partner on if you're mad enough. And me and
King Haku were like, oh boy, are we ever.
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See who booked this?
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Speaker 8 (07:50):
John Thorn, Yes of AIW Wrestling, Hi w.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
John, Listen, if you're listening to me, you made a
big mistake, brother, because like when they when they said
that who booked Butterbean versus Zuki two? And then they
challenged Haku and Filthy Tom to a match under no
circumstances should that have happened the same night that should
have been booked for the next show in the main event.
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I literally would have bought a ticket. I would have
flown there to watch it.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
Like god, Oh, Haku and I beat up, took out, destroyed, decimated, annihilated, Tyson,
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and then King Hakou and I put up the fingers.
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We gave each other the too sweet to signify that
not only is nWo for life, so was the Bullet Club.
And then I threw up the one.
Speaker 9 (08:56):
Wow we go.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
Three factions in one night?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Handle well the one the one was for Jimmy Hart's
first family.
Speaker 9 (09:06):
Was that those family? I got it?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I got it all four?
Speaker 10 (09:12):
How about that?
Speaker 7 (09:15):
All right?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, I wish I'd been there for that, Tom, I
wish I'd been there, But you know you and I man,
we got a big date coming up for a podcast
with with Kurt Angle, don't we?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Live show with Kurd Angle, Spokane, Washington at the Northern
Quest Casino, May seventeenth, I believe, just two days after
my upcoming forty second birthday.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Wow, what yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
What a better way to spend it than hanging out
with Brian Alvarez, the esteemed Brian Alvarez and gold medalist
who won it with a broken freaking neck her Angle.
Speaker 10 (10:02):
It's gonna be awesome and it is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, anyway, that sounds really exciting, and we do have
to talk about since I know Mike of course has
a big audio nightmare, Tom is on the stardom beat,
we got to talk about the end of the crewer.
Don't think you can say that, Well, we haven't for
a while, but for a while we did the the
end of Tam Knockano's career.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Tom, Yes, sad I guess. I mean these Joe, She's
seem to have a shorter life span as far as
their inn ring time goes than most of the other
styles and competitors around the world. So it's not, you know,
uncharacteristic for somebody to go out while they're relatively at
(10:49):
the top. But you know, tam Knockano has been around
for a while, and you know, now's the time. Now's
the time for her to leave. She's retired. But I
mean she's not the only person gone from stardom. Oh oh,
there's a lot. So I mean Tam Knockao, sure, she's
gone from the wrestling world, but Stardom also fired the
(11:11):
Toxic Spider, Thekla.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, and then who's going to be doing some dates
in America?
Speaker 8 (11:18):
And then also it was announced Mayu Iwaitani, who fell
to shury the greatest female wrestler of all time, lost
the IWGP Woman's title to her. And now we'll be
departing stardom as well. She's been there since the very
first show in boy, can we fact check this twenty eleven? Maybe?
Speaker 10 (11:43):
And uh now now she'll be gone, Mike A.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
NAT's it's an end of an era in a lot
of ways. It's gonna be interesting to see what Mayui
Watani does. Obviously she's got a relationship with rossi Ogawa
in the Mari Gold promotion, but it's going to be
interesting to see if she has gotten all of branches
extended from the United States. There's been talk about her
following Kyrie saying and in Eo Sharai to WWE AW
(12:12):
I would be sure would have some interest in her
as well. The most interesting name to me though, is
Thekla because no offense to the other women, but she's
got a lot less miles on her career right now.
She's got a unique style, a unique look, and probably
is somebody who is going to be in demand down
(12:34):
the line. If these indie dates go well here in
the States that AWWWE wouldn't be looking at her because
she seems perfect for them.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, last night Dave said that Mautani might end
up in WE or AW and a lot of people
got mad. I don't know it's going to be Mary Gold.
It could be Mary Gold. It could but you know what,
WWE and AW are paying a lot of money right now,
a lot of money, and they would both want her,
(13:03):
and I do not think that that is out of
the question at.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
All, Brian, if I were a company trying to make
inroads into other areas like it seems like WWE is
willing to do at this point. You know, they've already
worked with Marigold in the past, so you know, would
it really be out of you know, out of character
for my Ewaitani to be working for WWE but also
(13:29):
beyond these big Marigold shows, And the same could be
said for Decla Dekla is oh boy, Hungarian. Maybe she's
from somewhere in Europe. I probably screw that one up,
but I got the I got the stardom debut date right,
so maybe I did on that one as well.
Speaker 9 (13:44):
But from Madan is where she's from.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Mike, That's not a real place. I know there's a
lot of former Eastern Bloc countries with bizarre names, but
that is not a real place. She's European of some nature.
Speaker 9 (13:59):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
God, I know what did you all the time? He
has a stickler for facts.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
God, sorry to throw you off. Good start today, guys, Tom, you.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Don't even know where she's from.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
You guess from she's from Europe?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
God? Anyway, what's your point.
Speaker 10 (14:24):
Well, they're they're trying to get it to Europe as well.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well yeah, sure Austrian.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
Sorry Austrian. Had they used to be the same country,
My bad.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, supports. As Maya was mentioned in the past, she
dealt with homesickness in the past when she visited the US. Well,
I'm sure she did. But you know you mentioned, you
mentioned Austria. You know who else is from Austria? Gunther
and uh and for years when he was Walter, he
also was homesick and said he would never he would
(14:56):
never move and uh and then one day he did
and that was the end of that. So things change, guys,
Things change. We shall see where everybody ends up. But
do not rule anything out, especially now with like you know,
both AW and WWE. I mean, they're heavy in recruiting
mode and they got a lot of money.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
So yeah, it gonna be a lot disappointed Japanese wrestling fans.
And I'm sure Adam and I when we do the
big Audio Nightmare tomorrow and talk about this. I brought
this up before about guys coming over here where you know,
it feels like Japanese baseball and American baseball now because
America can pay so much, to such a ridiculous degree
(15:39):
that there's gonna be a lot of people who end
up leaving New Japan and all of these other promotions,
maybe a lot earlier than their fans really want them to.
But you got to take the opportunities when they're there.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Hey, we're on a way to the break. But you
hear Mina Shirakaw was now with Aw got her debut
on a Ring of Honor back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You are listening to wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Trying to hold in my frustration.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
All right, give me at least a genre. What has.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
It's uh, but I'm moving on here. I don't want
to get in this fight. It's wasting my time. It
makes people mad.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So what else do we got?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Raw is tonight, Rhea Ripley versus Roxanne Perez. We got
Seth Paul and Braun Breaker appearing as part of their
new faction. Pad McPhee will address the attack by Gunther,
which I presume sets of a match, and Becky Lynch
will address the attack on Lyra Valcy as I like
to call her. That's coming up tonight, and then tomorrow
(17:04):
is NXT with Ricky Saints versus Lexus King for the
North American title, Hank and Tank versus Briggs and Ina Mura,
which actually should be quite a slobber knocker. That's for
the tag team titles, and Tony D and Stacks have
a face to face.
Speaker 9 (17:22):
I hope Hank and Tank are ready because they're going
to get hit really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Oh, they're ready. You don't think they're gonna hit, They're
gonna hit.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
Yeah, I'll tell you what does it hit? According to Stacks,
and that's Tony D's mom's risotto.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Oh that's fighting words.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
That of my Wednesday has got Hangman Page versus Kyle
Fletcher and the Owenehart Foundation Tournament's semifinals, which should be great.
We got Every time I read this all star eight
man tag I immediately think of like nineteen eighty nine
Survivor series. We got Kenny Omega, Speedball, Mark Brisco and
Kevin Knight against the Young Bucks, Okada and Ricochet.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
If we had to give these teams and names, what
would they be?
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I have to think about that for you.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
Omega's onslaught against you know, the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Versus the speed Balls. Don't know, Tony Storm will less
you a title eliminator open challenge. I can't imagine who
might accept that. Hurt Syndicate will appear live and MGF
will appear live, probably together. But they've listened that as
two different segments. So that's the lineup for the next
couple of days.
Speaker 9 (18:36):
There, Ramis, that's what sticked you off.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, it's nothing like that. Okay, it's people arguing with
me about common sense. Okay, I'm trying not to lose
it here. God alright, I'm trying to just like talk
about something else, So I forget about it, Okay. Raymonds
sterio surgery to repair the injury that force and miss
Mania forty one. So I thought it was as groin.
It was actually as abductor, which is near your groin.
(19:02):
I've been told. So he tore it. He's gonna be
out for a while. It was when he got yanked
out of the ring, just a normal bump, nothing weird
about it, and hurt himself. And by the way, I
don't really have an update on Leon Slater. If you
guys watched the TNA pay per view last night. Lord,
this guy did a cent on four p fifty onto
(19:23):
about six guys, didn't hit one, not one of them,
and splat on the ground. I thought he was dead
on a door nail. And he got right back up
and kept working. But the impression that I got is
he definitely woke up sore, no kidding, I guess to
put it mildly.
Speaker 9 (19:44):
Well, we now know why aj Francis played defensive line
at the University of Maryland instead of a tight end
because he's the biggest guy in the middle of that
pile of men who was supposed to catch him and
oops a little seven ten split there. I'm gonna ask
both of because Brian, I know you have kind of
pushed back against this in the past, but dives from
(20:06):
a certain height, especially coming down doing four fifties on
top of somebody. Cody Hall, Scott Hall's son did get
injured while he was working with All Japan. I believe
that it was when somebody did a dive and he
didn't he was in the wrong position. But at some point,
I mean, aren't you putting guys necks and backs on
the line way too much? Because one slip of somebody
(20:27):
trying to get up to help you catch somebody, and
they push you over.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Okay, listen, I'll explain this.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
Tell me why this is not insane.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, i'll tell you it is insane a minute. But
I spent too much time on Bryan and Vinnie last
night because I was formulating these things in my head.
I have a much easier way to explain it now.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
If you're jumping off something high, okay, where there's an
added danger to it because of the height, all right,
you cannot do a vertical dive onto people standing vertically, Okay,
because what happened is it's just like you know whatever
now I'm seeing now I'm making.
Speaker 10 (21:04):
It too force.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
No, it's it's you're you're facing the same direction that
everyone else is facing, so you can just slide right
through them. It happens on Moon Salts, it happens on
as i Ez, It happens on Fourth. Anytime where you're
rotating on the vertical plane and people are standing vertically,
you can like you can miss them. If you want
to jump off something really high, you need to dive
(21:30):
horizontally onto people standing vertically. Then it's impossible to not
catch you. Okay, Like there was a dive last night
when it was in that uh the street fight and
who was it? Thing on all my notes right here,
it was Mustafa Ali went up onto like the second
(21:54):
level and he dove off onto Mike Santana and a
bunch of Ali's seconds. Okay, Well he did a high
cross and so like everybody caught him to the point
where nobody budged when they caught him, and then they
all had to fall down, and it was it was silly,
but it was safe. So going like vertically on a
vertical dude's fifteen feet in the air. I mean, it's
(22:16):
just it's too dangerous. He should have done a high
cross or like a torneo, a vertical torneo or something
where like you can't not be caught. But like Charlotte
does the moon salt off the post. You know, people
miss her hangman.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
More than ever. Now people hit that moon salt and
split people.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well they land on their feet now because they know
they're not going to be caught, right because it's really
hard to catch that way.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
So anyway, well, also the angle he was going at
was not conducive to catching anybody. No, staying safe. No,
as well. You know, like if you're jumping off of
a structure, you're not going straight down. You're usually running
and jumping, you know what I mean. So you're clearing
a greater distance and you're not coming at somebody from
(23:01):
the top at the top of their head. You're coming
at them where you could.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
See the person.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:06):
This was just dangerous on all all.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, the easiest catch makes it sick. Yeah. The easiest
catch is when you and your opponent are at ninety
degree angles, so you're vertical they come at you horizontally,
or you're horizontal and they come at you vertically or whatever.
You never see a splash where like one guy's feet
are facing the turnbuckles and then you jump off and
you squish them like this. You would never see that
(23:29):
be stupid.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Yeah, I don't want to give too much away, but
a lot of times, if I'm gonna catch somebody on
a moon salt, you know, I'll ask this person where
do you want me to be? Do you want me
to catch you or do you want me to like
shoot underneath you so that you land over the top
of me and like smack on my shoulders. And it
(23:50):
seems as if nowadays that's the preferred method because people
cannot you know, you can't rely on somebody else to
catch you.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, think about what the old moon salt even used
to be. It used to be you would stand facing
away from your opponent and when you jumped, you would
kind of like, you know, if they were gonna catch
you standing, you would jump and twist and would kind
of be like a high cross. It wasn't. And if
you were, if you were gonna do it onto the mat,
you would be you know, you would do it normal
and they would be horizontal to you. But it's recent
(24:20):
where it's like I'm gonna do a moon salt and
you're gonna catch me standing, but I'm gonna still commit
you vertically. So all you see your knees, there's knees
flying at your face, and you know, you just get
the heck out of the way and then they crash.
So anyway, how do we even get into that? Oh,
Leon Slater, Leon Slater was hurting this morning. God, that's
(24:43):
what's That's why it's nice to be twenty. Ryan Danielson
is not twenty. He's forty three, and he was asked
about rustling again and he said, no inclination, no desire.
He said, six months leading my last match were so hard.
Speaker 9 (24:59):
My was so bad.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
There's things I couldn't do, he said. Is One of
his final matches was Okada on October tewod Dynamite. The
rules were Ocatta's Continental championship was on the line for
just the first twenty minutes. He said, the story should
be I'm pushing, pushing, pushing, trying to get the fall
downe in the first twenty minutes, but my legs couldn't
do it. So that was the point where I was like,
(25:22):
I'm not physically able to do some of the things
I should that this story requires me to do. He
has not gotten next surgery. He's he's trying stem cells.
He still may need surgery, but he wants to avoid it.
So I would not even expecting a lot of Brian
Danielson matches down the road here. What about you, Tom?
(25:43):
What about you? And like stem cells or something. You're
very crooked.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
More whysically, emotionally, You're a little.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Crooked in a lot of ways. But I mean, golly,
when we were hanging out in Vegas, I was like,
this guy looks like he's hurting.
Speaker 9 (26:00):
He needs to go. What's the person you go to?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It's not a chiro, Well he should start with just
a chiropractor and just try to like get straight.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
And then you've seen the witch doctor before, No, you haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
He'd take one look at you and he'd be like,
I don't know, man, I don't know. Do you have
one of those Oh yeah, you did show me. You
showed me your kids thing outside where you hang upside down?
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Yeah, You're like, oh, do you have the structure gimmick,
the backstretching gimmick by his legs? Right?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
All? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Does it help?
Speaker 8 (26:38):
I don't think anybody wants to hear about this.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You mean you don't want to talk about it? Yeah, okay,
just trying to help. Hul Cogan and Eric Bischoff are
allegedly reuniting for a new project with a mystery third man.
Why did I start this?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
At this point?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I could talk about this for hours. Okay. First off,
it's probably like a podcast or something. There's no way
they're trying to start a wrestling promotion, like it's just
number one, you know, Come on, Houlkin and Bischoff starting
a wrestling promotion. The very idea is preposterous. But I
mean even if, like even if they had Vince McMahon
(27:18):
along with him and he had all this money, It's like,
where are you gonna get talent? You know what I'm saying?
Like all of the best talent, for the most part
is like signed somewhere, and like if you're not signed
to one of those two places, why would you go
with Hogan and Eric and not you know, wait for
one of those other two places.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
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You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Here on the show, Brian Alvarez here, Oh, I see
what happened.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Tom doesn't want me to make any mention of anything,
so uh, I won't. All right, We're back here on
the show, Brian, Mike Simpervie. There's always there's always what's
the mystery?
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Oh, people don't want to talk about anything, do they?
Speaker 7 (31:24):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I want to talk about some stuff, but I'm not
gonna maybe maybe later this week. Maybe later this week.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
You know, you know what it is, Go ahead, you
know what it is.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's like I really want AW to succeed, and like
I see these things that happen all the time, and
like they're little things that add up. But I always
bang heads with these absolute hardcore AW fans who want
like nothing to change, Like everything is fine and everything
is good, and why do we need this is a
big one. Why do we need video packages? It's okay
(31:55):
for the announcer to just say something, I don't want
video package. I don't want to be a hammer. It's
just like, God, come on, man, Like this is basic
common sense business to like have video packages on all
your shows in case people missed it. Okay, I know
you who are arguing with me. Never misses a show.
I know you who are arguing with me. If you
(32:16):
do miss a show, you find some way to go back.
And okay, that's not everybody, and that's not even most people.
Do you understand this guy today? Now I'm off? He
says to me, are you ready?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right, because I was arguing about why we needed
video packages for like, you know, RAPONGI Vice apparently like
they reunited and turned heel and like, I missed one show.
I have no idea what's going on? And he says,
for God's sake, use your TV time to reward your
viewers who are watching, not to catch up the people
who I may have missed the show because it was
(32:51):
WrestleMania week. Okay, bro, come on listen. First off, that's
that's passive aggressive behavior. Okay, So the promotion is to
be like, oh, you skipped our show for another show,
Well screw you, We're not gonna We're not gonna tell
you what happened. You know you should have watched our show.
That to me, as a fan, makes me feel like, dude, really,
(33:12):
like there was a lot of shows that weekend. I
had other stuff. I'm not cheating on you because there's
other stuff that I had to watch, dude, like if
the angle's important, like do a replay or whatever. And
then the other thing is here's the thing about. Yes,
you should reward your fans. You should you know your
loyal fans or loyal fans and everything like that. But
let me tell you, this isn't wrestling, guys. This is business. Okay.
(33:37):
You own a business and X number of customers visit
your business regularly. Okay, they're regular customers. Okay, no matter
how well you treat them. If you have five hundred customers, okay,
regular customers, over the course of five years, you will
(33:58):
not have those same five hundred customers anymore. Okay. Some
of them are going to die, some of them are
going to move. Some of them, no matter how loyal
they are, they're going to find another store nearby. And so,
no matter what business you have, no matter how many
customers or clients or whatever you have, you will always
(34:18):
slowly be losing them. And if you do not replace
them with new customers, you will go out of business.
You will slowly trickle down and your business will die.
There's one at the bottom of the hill. It's called
Right Aid. Okay, the same people have been going to
this Right Aid for seventy five years. I wandered in
(34:42):
there the other day. There's no one there under the
age of seventy five. They're all the same old people.
Right Aid is not getting new young people to go
to their store. They're and you know what, the show
will The store will remain in business until tragically those
people die, and then they will have no other customers. Okay,
I don't care how much you like aw You are
(35:05):
slowly going to lose viewers, and if you don't replace
them with new viewers, the show will trickle into death. Okay, Now,
how do you get new viewers to watch the show? Well,
if they miss a show, you help bring them up
to speed. If they miss an angle, you help bring
(35:25):
them up to speed. You don't punish them for missing
a show. You don't say you know what, you should
have watched over Mania weekend, or you should have flown
home on Tuesday and found a way to watch collisions
so you know what happens. You don't act passive aggressive
to the people who are not the die hard fans. Yes,
if you're a hardcore fan, you can like give them
(35:46):
a little extra or whatever, you know, treat them right.
But you must create a new audience. You must presume
every show your goal is to create a new fan.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why is this even an argument. There's a reason that
WWE now is significantly larger than they were in twenty nineteen.
They didn't just please the fans they had in twenty nineteen.
In twenty nineteen, they were losing fans hand over fist.
So they found a way to not only replace the
(36:21):
fans that they lost, but also create new fans on
top of that. So if they had one thousand fans
I'm just using an easy number, and they've lost five
hundred of them over the last six years, they not
only have got five hundred new fans to replace those people,
but they've created another five hundred new fans on top
(36:42):
of that, because now they have fifteen hundred fans. Okay,
so how did they do that? Well, every show you're
led by the hand because you may be a new
viewer on any given day. I miss a show here
and there, like I missed I think I missed this
week's n XT. I think I missed a show, but like,
(37:04):
I have no question what's going on because they told
me everything when I tuned in on the next show.
Unlike aw were oftentimes I miss one show, not even
Dynamite a collision. I miss one show, and then next
time I watched the show, I'm like, Trent's back, he's
a heel. No, it's not enough to say Trent and
(37:26):
Rocky reunited. They did. I even asked tamout, like I said,
what happened? He goes? They they got involved in a
match afterwards. I was like, against who he goes? I
don't remember it was against Uh, He's like trying to
remember what happened. They could have just showed just what happened,
unless it's not important, in which case don't. Okay, but
(37:49):
I'd like to think that Raponkivice reuniting and Trent coming
back and being healthy enough to wrestle, and in Rocky
turning heel and being a new tag team. Now, I
like to think that's important. So like, show me what happened.
If I miss the show, I just feel like I
argue the same thing over and over and I'm just
like pushed back on. No, we don't need recaps. No,
we don't need recaps. It's up to the fans. It's
(38:11):
up to the fans to figure out what's going on.
It's up to the fans to like what is going
on with Jeff, Jared and the oddities. I don't have
any idea. I have to make it up in my head.
What's happening here.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
That doesn't seem ideal? And you know what, Rocky and
Trend are back together. There were pong Ice. Maybe you
ought to explain that to everybody who is.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, you know how many people have never even heard
of her Pongkivice.
Speaker 9 (38:37):
A lot look Kenny Omega and Kazuchko Okada. For a
lot of people who never saw Kazuchko Okada in New Japan,
they cannot look at him in his aw form and
get the fact that he was one of the great
wrestlers I frankly of all time. And frankly, Omega and
Okada together and New Japan were did amazing things. Like
you may need to explain this backstory a lot more.
(39:00):
Otherwise it's just this guy who is a complete cartoon
who drops you know, the B word constantly. It's like,
you know, okay, Yeah, his reputation is there. Start showing
video packages, start hyping this thing up. It's supposed to
be one of the cornerstones of your WrestleMania show coming up,
and Okada is still playing goofball with Hangman Page. I mean,
(39:21):
that's something you got to drive home to people that
don't know about their story to try to make them
care about it.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
See, I watched that TNA pl e. I went live
over Wrestlmingia weekend, went to TNA. I had a good
time at a fun time. The next day, Joe Hendry
shows up at WrestleMania and whatever you think about the
whole thing, it's like, wow, you know there's a TNA
World Champion on WrestleMania. And so like this week over
the weekend, you know, me, Vine and Craig, all of
us were like, man, let's watch that TNA pay per view. Okay,
(39:50):
I don't know what's going on. I don't watch TNA. Okay. So,
like I watched the pay per view, and I will
say they did a pretty good job. But as a
first time viewer, there were things where it's like, who
is this woman running in and why? And then they
like the best they did was they threw her name
out and I was like, that doesn't help. Who is she?
(40:11):
Why is she interfering? And then you know, they kind
of explained it there at the end, but like they
had video packages for all the matches, and I would say,
you know, I largely was kind of brought up to
speed by how they did things on the pay per view,
but they could have done better. And yes, as a fan,
it does irritate me when WWE presumes they have a
(40:31):
new audience and Michael Cole goes into Michael Cole mode
where he has to over explain everything. But you know what,
if I'm really a fan of WWE, then I will
accept that because the point of it is to create
new fans and grow the product and the business so
(40:51):
I can watch a show and see seventeen thousand people
there going haywire for everything that's going on, It's worth
it to me as a fan to suffer a little
bit with something that I find a little irritating if
it's for the good of the entire company. And it's
the same thing with a W and TNA and everyone else. Yes,
you may not like recaps, that's fine, but do you
(41:13):
like a W because if you're a fan, you should
accept those because there's a reason for them, and it's
called growing your business. Golly, I'm sorry, everybody.
Speaker 9 (41:28):
Sorry, needed to be said. It needed to be said, boss.
These people need to know.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
Enough said.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
How'd you like SmackDown, Tom? You're a Smackdow reviewer.
Speaker 8 (41:39):
I thought it was a really good show.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
I mean that main event five stars, if you ask me,
that was pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
TLC match between the Street Profits DIY and MotorCity machine
Guns off the charts.
Speaker 10 (41:55):
And no commercials, not even I will yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Anyways, I watched it, you know, start to finish, and
it was fantastic, Like I said, but it wasn't overly dangerous,
you know what I mean. Sometimes some of these matches
rely on stuff that is just so over the top
and violent, and this was not one of those. This
was creative. It hit all the right spots at the
(42:23):
right times. And I think it's, you know, one of
the god one of the best tag matches of the year.
You don't think it's, Brian, Is this up there with
your vaunted speed jet Take it on? The Young Bucks
from last week were the best tag matches of the
year in one week.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Oh It's like, who's the speed jet?
Speaker 9 (42:44):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, that was a great match, that Young Bucks match.
But you know what, you know, there was one difference
between the the Young Bucks match and that TLC match.
I like the aw commentary team a lot, but holyokes,
this Joe Testitur. I told you, bro, I told you. Hey, listen,
people think I won't admit I was wrong. Man, I
(43:06):
was wrong, Dude. I thought, oh my god, here we
are bringing another guy from outside of wrestling. He has
a sports background. They've done this countless times. They come
and go. It's like, you know, but this guy is
not only great, but he is the best commentator in WWE.
He's better than Wade Barrett. I mean, he's better than everybody.
He's better than Corey Graves. I know people love Corey Graves.
(43:29):
Joe Testador is the best commentator in all of WWE.
He is freaking awesome. He's miles better than Michael Cole.
He's just great.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Jiminey Christmas, you know, is this the strongest commentary team
they've had.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Bottom Definitely in a long time, I would say, But really.
Speaker 9 (43:50):
Your bench is essentially Corey Graves in NXT, who was
fantastic at what he does. I mean, you know, you
see where they're at.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, he's he's something else, dude. And there's like no
bad commentators. Some people will say Booker t but like
he entertains me. He's not the sole commentator. He's he's
like he's color commentary. What's color commentary supposed to be?
Brings some color to the show. I got a guy
calling all the moves and everything like that and telling
(44:20):
the stories, and then you got Booker saying shucky ducky
quack quack here and there. It makes me laugh, makes
me mad. He brings emotion out of me much better
than a robot.
Speaker 9 (44:33):
Which is what you want out of these guys. Like
there's people that don't like Joe tessitur doing football, college
football and other things, but that's Gus Johnson is another
person who's a lightning rod. But you're also not going
to watch the game because they're on there. Pat McAfee
can be really annoying sometimes and maybe you know, it's
we'll see how it goes with the gun. Third thing,
maybe they should give him some time off, you know,
(44:55):
before he comes back. But it's break time back in.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
A moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
In the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive, Lance
texta he goes, I just watched a Bosh Legacy on
Amazon as a streaming series. Nobody is watching episode four
without seeing episode one. However, they do a previously on
recap before every episode just to remind you of important
stuff on the previous show because people with a life
can't remember everything.
Speaker 9 (45:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, some people shade, but it's true.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Guess what they do before every single fight in the
UFC They show you a little recap about the guy
because more than likely you don't know who the hell
they are if throw on the undercard.
Speaker 10 (45:57):
Yeah, but it helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
It does help a lot. Tom, what do you got
coming up?
Speaker 9 (46:05):
Hello?
Speaker 8 (46:06):
Yes, May tenth MLW in Chicago sold out, so if
you don't have your tickets yet, you're probably not gonna
be there The next day, May eleventh, Asbury Park, New Jersey.
I'm taking on the one called Manders for the wx
W title for JCW Jersey Championship Wrestling the following week
(46:28):
aiw Wrestling at the Globe in Cleveland, and then the
day after that, Brian, it's you and me and.
Speaker 10 (46:35):
Kurt Angle.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
That's right, that's right. We'll be plugging that more in
the next couple of weeks, but if you're in the
Spokane area, make sure you grab your tickets. And now
a live podcast with myself Filthy for Daily with Kurt
Angle everything. I'd say it all right, We got to
wrap it up, everybody, but I'll be back later on
tonight with Dave, David and I were up last night
(46:56):
and a Brian Davinian Craig show talking to TNA pay
per view. Lots of up there, more coming up tonight,
and that's it everybody. We'll talk to you next time
Wrestling Observer Live. You have been listening to the Wrestling
(47:53):
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