September 4, 2025 • 16 mins
On this episode of Unsanctioned Thursdays, Jeff and I talk about fan participation in wrestling—when it adds to the show and when it flat out takes over. From Paris crowds singing every entrance theme, to whether WWE is booking entrances for TikTok moments instead of wrestling moments, we cover it all. I share why Alexa Bliss has the best right hand in the game, why I love a good headbutt, and we even debate if Rhea Ripley should lip-sync on her way to the ring. Plus, we get into whether kayfabe is truly dead, and what fan involvement really means for the future of wrestling.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready's about to hit the fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays in Wrestling with Fady.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays. The show that you requested, the
show that you got, and this show is going to
be all about you, the fans of pro wrestling, and
the interactions that they have with the WWE universe. We
talked about this a little on our regular show about
fan participation versus fan takeover. One as good, one is evil,
(00:42):
and if you're responsible for the evil, you should be
ashamed of yourself. Go call your mother right now and say,
I'm sorry, Mom. You tried to raise me right, but
I just I didn't take to it. I just didn't
take to it. Some of the stuff is great. The
most recent example is in Paris. I wish I knew
what they were singing, but they were singing. I know
(01:02):
when they I don't know how all the Europeans know
all the words to the wrestler songs and here I
am and it's my first language, and I know like
the first three words to every wrestler song and can't
understand any of the words after that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But somehow they can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, I know, cult of Personality. I have no idea.
I have no idea the rest of the words.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And that's even a cheat because that was like a
mainstream hit before it was even his song, so you
may have heard it on the radio, so it makes
it tricky.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They cut to the audience and there's people that are
like kind of like mouthing like, but they don't know
what it is, like.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Star Spangled banner, Yeah, exactly, Cult of person.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're like, yeah, you knew the chorus Edge of Song.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
They always know Edge of Song or Adam Copeland now
in ae.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
W, I know on this day, I see clearly. And
then that's all I know from the song.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And there's Cody Oh, I don't know any of the
words to Rea's if.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Rheo Ripley's listening.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Listen, you're the biggest star in my opinion, I think
the biggest star of wrestling. That you're gonna be the
biggest future star of women's wrestling. Stop lip syncing to
every lyric as you come down the stop Why I
like it? No, she should be like in wrestling mode.
She's like lipping on. It makes you look like a
high school girl. That's like listening to her radio knowing
(02:19):
all the words to the song.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I see profighters sinking songs when they come down to
in a UFC fight their lips.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It looks corny. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Something to think about, Riya, something to work on.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, right, actually, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's talk about it as a wrestler. Listen, how long
has have the USO has been wrestlers?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
A long since I worked there?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, and then how long?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm trying to think of some other guys because I
don't want to just pick on the ussos.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So A lot of times wrestler's been a wrestlers their
whole life. They've grown up around wrestling. They've their parents
are wrestling, their uncles are wrestling. They're all like part
of this big wrestling thing. Is it somewhat disrespectful or something?
If someone said, hey, I know you've been wrestling for
thirty years and you grew up in it, let's work
on your punches, they're not looking very convincing. Do they
(03:13):
ever get like notes like after a match, like, hey,
everything was great, but we've got to work.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
On landing those punches.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why don't you go down to the center or the
entertainment whatever the hell they're calling it. Go to the
training place, work on your.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Work, on the the hits or the punches.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The young wrestlers, I know they do, But once you're
at a certain level and your punches aren't hurting the
other person, nobody's going to say anything to you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They just want to be protected and safe in there.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, like some of these guys like they're working so
safe they're not even three inches from their face, or
like so slow, or they're like they'll be like they'll
like barely.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Like it's like, not everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Not everybody's shamous, bro, Not everybody's just gonna be like it,
punch me in the face, punch you in the face,
I mean, punch me in the face.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Not in the Indy Show.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
In Burbank, we're talking about the pros. We're watching the
best of the best, and there's punches look like dog shit.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Look, I disagree with everything Jeff just said. I would
much prefer you keep each other safe. And most of
the punches are looking pretty sweet out there. Alexa Bliss
still with the best right hand in the game, it's
the most realistic punch in the world. And she's like
five foot four, five foot five, and it's the best
right hand in the game. And it looks awesome every time.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Granted, long hair on dudes and girls make those punches
look more real because you can't quite see because it gets.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Lost in the hair.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And and head butt, I love a good head butt.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
With long hair. A head butt is so good.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
When Drew McIntyre does the Glasgow kiss, it always looks perfect.
When Real Ripley does her head butt, it always looks
perfect if the person has long hair that she had butts,
because then it's whips back perfect. And sometimes if they
do the water thing in their hair, you see like
it's supposed to be sweat, but it's the water flies
off their head. My daughter thinks it's gross. I think
it's super cool. But yeah, all right, back.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
To it, all right, Well, let's talk about the sing
along a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, this is a question from our producer Alex.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do you think WWE leans into this stuff too much?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like, are they literally booking entrances for TikTok moments instead
of wrestling moments? Jeff, I think you have a pretty
strong perspective on this. You spoke on it on the
main show, but for those who didn't hear that, maybe
reiterate and elaborate a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
All Right, So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am fine with wrestling chance I'm a wrestling fan.
I like when we chant. I like when we know
the stuff. I like when we go with the wrestler
with whatever they're saying whenever they want. That's good, all good,
that this is awesome, You've still got it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Holy shit. All those chants.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Good because those are chants that are happening while the
wrestling's happening, and it's part of the show.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's part of the product.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The only thing I'm criticizing is when they sing a
thing or do a thing and the wrestler just isn't
talking or isn't doing anything as like an opening of
the That's the only when I'm criticizing.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think all the rest of it's very nice part
of it. I'm saying, let's get to the show. Well,
I don't need even three minutes of the wrestler like
acknowledging the audience and like waiting to talk and like that,
Like that I think is is over overdone and it's
too much and we need to just get to the product.
All the other chants I'm fine with and I like.
(06:24):
I think even the chance I don't like are still
part of wrestling, and who cares what I like. So
it's like when they do the yeat thing, like it's
been very clunky. Like there there was a raw the
other night I'm not sure how long ago where he
was trying to get him to say nope, but they
just kept saying yeat because they were I remember that yeah,
and he was like nope, and he doesn't and then
they go yeat and then he's like he was like
(06:46):
he couldn't convince them to do the right thing. So anyways,
I'm fine with it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,
and I'm fine with all of it. I'm saying, just
let's not do that big thing where no one's talking
and we're just listening to the audience. Do on seen
A's song or sing like along with Roman reigns nonsense.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Here's a follow up question for you, because you said
you like it when it's happening during the match, what
about when the chants are something that you're not allowed
to hear on the TV product, like if it's a
holy shit or a aw hey, fuck you you suck
chant like not you suck. But when they're literally dropping
F bombs in there, and now they have to mute
the product and you can't see it, and they're kind
(07:27):
of taking over the show in a certain regard. It's
only now for the house and it's no longer for
the TV audience.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That doesn't bother me as much because an F word
is so quick to edit, like they can just kind
of distort it a little bit. I'm sure the editors
hate it, but it doesn't bother me. Yeah, but it
doesn't affect the product enough that it bothers me. And
I'm like, yeah, let them, let them rip, let it,
let it have fun. I want all the wrestling fans
to be happy. I want it to have fun. But
(07:55):
I think for the good of rest, we have to
make sure it's not taking up too much TV time.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it's much more theatrical now than it used to be.
Like in the old days, there was something called a
heel's ex a heel's entrance, and which was a false
entrance because in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
JBL taught me about this.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
When the heels would step out of the tunnel, the
fans that were right above the tunnel would just dump
everything on them, just beers, piss, water, I love this, batteries, pennies,
like whatever. They just would throw shit at him, and
so there'd be a false entrance where you take a
step and then step back and all the shit hits
the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And then you enter the arena. Right, So that's how
it used to be.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like when I went to a match with my grandma
in Puerto Rico, they put a cage around the ring.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I said, is this a steel cage match?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And she said not exactly, as in case the wrong
guy wins, the crowd can't run in there and kill
the winner.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And I was like what.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And then I saw the bad guy coming out and
people started chucking batteries at him, and my grandma like
held me down so I didn't get hit by anything,
and I was just like, yo, what the hell is
going I was like eight years old enough, scared to death.
It was like, what the hell's going on? So it's
evolved from violence against these people when they thought it
was real. So now that they know it's entertainment now.
The fans want to be a part of the show too,
(09:12):
and they involve themselves, whether it be disruptive like a
what chant, or whether it's a part of a match
where they're literally like cheering the Babyfaces come back, and
the comeback happens because of the audience's cheering, which happens
all the time, and that's an empowering feeling. If you're
a fan, you're like, especially if you're young, and it's
still real to you.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You're like, I cheered.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
John Cena and that made him get back up, And
that's such a great feeling when you're a wrestling fan
because you were a part of that moment, right. And
I think that's why they get involved, is because there's
still some magic involved there. It's not like a boring
Broadway play where you can't do anything. You just sit
there and listen and then you clap at the end
(09:55):
of everything. It's not like when people go to see
what was it called Alexander or Hamilton? It was Hamilton, Like,
I don't know if I've never gone to that crap,
but if if like you start singing, not crap. I
mean they're talented, but I just I like movies, I
don't like I don't like plays, but like, I don't
know if you're allowed to sing along, but I would
imagine you're not, and if you did, you'd be asked to.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Leave, because those are the game. Those are the greatest
voices in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And your voice sucks, right, it sounds like Jeff in
my voice, Like, sorry, if you thought your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Was nice, it's not. It's just just as bad as ours.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You're not James Ingleheart like he's like that guy's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
If you brought a date to lay mis a rob
and she starts singing along, you're like, this is over,
Like like even at a theater, you go, no, you
were not singing along?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What are you doing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My ex girlfriend back in the day when I was
like nineteen twenty brought me to lay Miz and she
was like, it's a very masculine show.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're gonna really like it, and I was like, all right,
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It was there was nothing masculine about Ley Miz. There
was nothing masculine at all. It was all just singing
and dancing. That is not manly. When you're nineteen and
you grew up watching Jackie Chan movies like I want
to see fistfights. I want to see bloody noses. I
want to see asses kicked. I don't want to see
stage combat.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I want to see see a jet ski on fire
and some titties.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's what I'm into.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, I'm not well cultured, man, I'm the first to
admit it. I like what I like. I like pro wrestling,
I like the UFC, I like boxing.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I like race cars. I like old cars.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like That's the shit that I'm into, and you know,
the other stuff is just not for me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I want to see May Young power bombed into a table.
That's what I want to see.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But exactly, Bubba shout out to Jerry the King Lowler.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So yeah, man, So to me, the crowd participation has
always been like mascu mentos, right Like, It's always been
kind of either I like it or I don't like it,
and I've never I haven't found the gray area yet.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I appreciate it more now that I'm older.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But when I worked there, I freaking hated it, probably
because I felt like they were messing up the speeches
that I was writing for these rests.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Like you guys are fucking it up. Give the guy
a chance.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Goddamn, but I've grown since then.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
All right, Jeff, you get the final word. Is the
modern wrestling fan too involved? Or is this just the
evolution of the business. That's a question from our producer Alex.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think that's a great question. Here's the thing, as
wrestling fans, we want to be a part of all
of it. We live in this modern world. That's why
I'm a big fan of that show Unreal on Netflix,
and some fans are crashing out about it, saying.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh, this is too much they're doing. This is k
Fabe dead?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's like, yes, dad, bro, what are you talking about.
You don't get to pretend you love k Fabe when
you follow all these wrestlers on Twitter, when you expect
there to be an announcement of Naomi give having a
baby when she's the biggest best heel in women's wrestling
(13:23):
right now, and then they cut to her talking to
Stephanie McMahon, someone everyone hates his daughter, and then and
then she's with Triple H who everyone criticizes, and when
she's going congrats on having the baby, and then Neilmi's like, yeah,
I guess I'm having a baby with Jay You're like,
that's breaking k Fabe, and that's on the show, that's
(13:44):
on the wrestling you love, and then you're gonna bitch
and moan that like Unreal has like a doc series.
You follow these people, you know everything they're doing. You
go to these like wrestling cons and you go to
these conventions and you literally sit there and go, I'm mommy,
she was so nice to me, and to go, that's
all breaking k Fabeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So that's just how the modern era is.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's no k Fabe. It's been gone for twenty something
years longer.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The only people trying to keep up with k Fabe
is mjf Bless his heart, like still like trying to
convince everyone that he's this guy yelling at people at
sushi restaurants with Freddy or flipping off your daughter at
an autograph line. There are people trying to keep k
Fabe alive, and you, the wrestling fan, me the wrestling fan,
(14:38):
have ruined k Fabe.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
It's over. Stop complaining about it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I agree k Fabe is over, and I don't have
any argument, but I would elaborate on what you said
a little bit. Kfa has been dead for way longer
than twenty years YouTube Plan B Wrestlers Plan B. This
was in the seventies. They wanted more money and they
literally made a video where they said, it's all fake
my accent. I'm not Russian, I just do a Russian
(15:05):
accent and the moves are fake. I'm in there to
like it's they This was in the seventies, and then
in the eighties they started doing the shoot interviews, which
then killed k fabe all over again. So all this
stuff and then social media then finalized it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Put the final podcasts, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Podcasts like this, Yeah, so it's it's been gone.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well no, not ours.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm talking about them going on a podcast or like
Logan Paul like shooting three wrestlers a week, you know,
and then Drew McIntyre going on a podcast like literally
saying my friends are texting me that all the wrestlers
are tiny and they should be delivering pizzas, and like
I I blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's like people are breaking.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
K fabe every ten minutes, Like like I shouldn't know
what these guys houses look like, but you can figure
out what their apartment looks like and who they're dating,
and they have an on screen boyfriend Dominique Mysterio.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But then they have like a husband at home. It's
like ky Fabe is gone.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Hey man, nobody has a husband at home when they're
dating dominic Mysterio. He's enough man for all the women,
all the women. And I'm not going to tolerate any
any even near slander of that fine, fine human being.
Nor will we tolerate any slander of our listeners. So
if you guys hate our listeners.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Fuck you.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Thanks for listening, everybody. I'm happy, Jeff, I'm Freddy, and
we'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Peace.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
We love you,
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready's about to hit the fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays in Wrestling with Fady.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays. The show that you requested, the
show that you got, and this show is going to
be all about you, the fans of pro wrestling, and
the interactions that they have with the WWE universe. We
talked about this a little on our regular show about
fan participation versus fan takeover. One as good, one is evil,
(00:42):
and if you're responsible for the evil, you should be
ashamed of yourself. Go call your mother right now and say,
I'm sorry, Mom. You tried to raise me right, but
I just I didn't take to it. I just didn't
take to it. Some of the stuff is great. The
most recent example is in Paris. I wish I knew
what they were singing, but they were singing. I know
(01:02):
when they I don't know how all the Europeans know
all the words to the wrestler songs and here I
am and it's my first language, and I know like
the first three words to every wrestler song and can't
understand any of the words after that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But somehow they can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, I know, cult of Personality. I have no idea.
I have no idea the rest of the words.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And that's even a cheat because that was like a
mainstream hit before it was even his song, so you
may have heard it on the radio, so it makes
it tricky.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
They cut to the audience and there's people that are
like kind of like mouthing like, but they don't know
what it is, like.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Star Spangled banner, Yeah, exactly, Cult of person.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're like, yeah, you knew the chorus Edge of Song.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
They always know Edge of Song or Adam Copeland now
in ae.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
W, I know on this day, I see clearly. And
then that's all I know from the song.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And there's Cody Oh, I don't know any of the
words to Rea's if.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Rheo Ripley's listening.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Listen, you're the biggest star in my opinion, I think
the biggest star of wrestling. That you're gonna be the
biggest future star of women's wrestling. Stop lip syncing to
every lyric as you come down the stop Why I
like it? No, she should be like in wrestling mode.
She's like lipping on. It makes you look like a
high school girl. That's like listening to her radio knowing
(02:19):
all the words to the song.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I see profighters sinking songs when they come down to
in a UFC fight their lips.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It looks corny. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Something to think about, Riya, something to work on.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, right, actually, let's talk about.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's talk about it as a wrestler. Listen, how long
has have the USO has been wrestlers?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
A long since I worked there?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Okay, and then how long?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm trying to think of some other guys because I
don't want to just pick on the ussos.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So A lot of times wrestler's been a wrestlers their
whole life. They've grown up around wrestling. They've their parents
are wrestling, their uncles are wrestling. They're all like part
of this big wrestling thing. Is it somewhat disrespectful or something?
If someone said, hey, I know you've been wrestling for
thirty years and you grew up in it, let's work
on your punches, they're not looking very convincing. Do they
(03:13):
ever get like notes like after a match, like, hey,
everything was great, but we've got to work.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
On landing those punches.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why don't you go down to the center or the
entertainment whatever the hell they're calling it. Go to the
training place, work on your.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Work, on the the hits or the punches.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The young wrestlers, I know they do, But once you're
at a certain level and your punches aren't hurting the
other person, nobody's going to say anything to you.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They just want to be protected and safe in there.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Well, like some of these guys like they're working so
safe they're not even three inches from their face, or
like so slow, or they're like they'll be like they'll
like barely.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Like it's like, not everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Not everybody's shamous, bro, Not everybody's just gonna be like it,
punch me in the face, punch you in the face,
I mean, punch me in the face.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Not in the Indy Show.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
In Burbank, we're talking about the pros. We're watching the
best of the best, and there's punches look like dog shit.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Look, I disagree with everything Jeff just said. I would
much prefer you keep each other safe. And most of
the punches are looking pretty sweet out there. Alexa Bliss
still with the best right hand in the game, it's
the most realistic punch in the world. And she's like
five foot four, five foot five, and it's the best
right hand in the game. And it looks awesome every time.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Granted, long hair on dudes and girls make those punches
look more real because you can't quite see because it gets.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Lost in the hair.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And and head butt, I love a good head butt.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
With long hair. A head butt is so good.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
When Drew McIntyre does the Glasgow kiss, it always looks perfect.
When Real Ripley does her head butt, it always looks
perfect if the person has long hair that she had butts,
because then it's whips back perfect. And sometimes if they
do the water thing in their hair, you see like
it's supposed to be sweat, but it's the water flies
off their head. My daughter thinks it's gross. I think
it's super cool. But yeah, all right, back.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
To it, all right, Well, let's talk about the sing
along a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, this is a question from our producer Alex.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Do you think WWE leans into this stuff too much?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like, are they literally booking entrances for TikTok moments instead
of wrestling moments? Jeff, I think you have a pretty
strong perspective on this. You spoke on it on the
main show, but for those who didn't hear that, maybe
reiterate and elaborate a little bit.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
All Right, So here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I am fine with wrestling chance I'm a wrestling fan.
I like when we chant. I like when we know
the stuff. I like when we go with the wrestler
with whatever they're saying whenever they want. That's good, all good,
that this is awesome, You've still got it.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Holy shit. All those chants.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Good because those are chants that are happening while the
wrestling's happening, and it's part of the show.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It's part of the product.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The only thing I'm criticizing is when they sing a
thing or do a thing and the wrestler just isn't
talking or isn't doing anything as like an opening of
the That's the only when I'm criticizing.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think all the rest of it's very nice part
of it. I'm saying, let's get to the show. Well,
I don't need even three minutes of the wrestler like
acknowledging the audience and like waiting to talk and like that,
Like that I think is is over overdone and it's
too much and we need to just get to the product.
All the other chants I'm fine with and I like.
(06:24):
I think even the chance I don't like are still
part of wrestling, and who cares what I like. So
it's like when they do the yeat thing, like it's
been very clunky. Like there there was a raw the
other night I'm not sure how long ago where he
was trying to get him to say nope, but they
just kept saying yeat because they were I remember that yeah,
and he was like nope, and he doesn't and then
they go yeat and then he's like he was like
(06:46):
he couldn't convince them to do the right thing. So anyways,
I'm fine with it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,
and I'm fine with all of it. I'm saying, just
let's not do that big thing where no one's talking
and we're just listening to the audience. Do on seen
A's song or sing like along with Roman reigns nonsense.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Here's a follow up question for you, because you said
you like it when it's happening during the match, what
about when the chants are something that you're not allowed
to hear on the TV product, like if it's a
holy shit or a aw hey, fuck you you suck
chant like not you suck. But when they're literally dropping
F bombs in there, and now they have to mute
the product and you can't see it, and they're kind
(07:27):
of taking over the show in a certain regard. It's
only now for the house and it's no longer for
the TV audience.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
How do you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That doesn't bother me as much because an F word
is so quick to edit, like they can just kind
of distort it a little bit. I'm sure the editors
hate it, but it doesn't bother me. Yeah, but it
doesn't affect the product enough that it bothers me. And
I'm like, yeah, let them, let them rip, let it,
let it have fun. I want all the wrestling fans
to be happy. I want it to have fun. But
(07:55):
I think for the good of rest, we have to
make sure it's not taking up too much TV time.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it's much more theatrical now than it used to be.
Like in the old days, there was something called a
heel's ex a heel's entrance, and which was a false
entrance because in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
JBL taught me about this.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
When the heels would step out of the tunnel, the
fans that were right above the tunnel would just dump
everything on them, just beers, piss, water, I love this, batteries, pennies,
like whatever. They just would throw shit at him, and
so there'd be a false entrance where you take a
step and then step back and all the shit hits
the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And then you enter the arena. Right, So that's how
it used to be.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like when I went to a match with my grandma
in Puerto Rico, they put a cage around the ring.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I said, is this a steel cage match?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And she said not exactly, as in case the wrong
guy wins, the crowd can't run in there and kill
the winner.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And I was like what.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And then I saw the bad guy coming out and
people started chucking batteries at him, and my grandma like
held me down so I didn't get hit by anything,
and I was just like, yo, what the hell is
going I was like eight years old enough, scared to death.
It was like, what the hell's going on? So it's
evolved from violence against these people when they thought it
was real. So now that they know it's entertainment now.
The fans want to be a part of the show too,
(09:12):
and they involve themselves, whether it be disruptive like a
what chant, or whether it's a part of a match
where they're literally like cheering the Babyfaces come back, and
the comeback happens because of the audience's cheering, which happens
all the time, and that's an empowering feeling. If you're
a fan, you're like, especially if you're young, and it's
still real to you.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You're like, I cheered.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
John Cena and that made him get back up, And
that's such a great feeling when you're a wrestling fan
because you were a part of that moment, right. And
I think that's why they get involved, is because there's
still some magic involved there. It's not like a boring
Broadway play where you can't do anything. You just sit
there and listen and then you clap at the end
(09:55):
of everything. It's not like when people go to see
what was it called Alexander or Hamilton? It was Hamilton, Like,
I don't know if I've never gone to that crap,
but if if like you start singing, not crap. I
mean they're talented, but I just I like movies, I
don't like I don't like plays, but like, I don't
know if you're allowed to sing along, but I would
imagine you're not, and if you did, you'd be asked to.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Leave, because those are the game. Those are the greatest
voices in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And your voice sucks, right, it sounds like Jeff in
my voice, Like, sorry, if you thought your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Was nice, it's not. It's just just as bad as ours.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You're not James Ingleheart like he's like that guy's Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
If you brought a date to lay mis a rob
and she starts singing along, you're like, this is over,
Like like even at a theater, you go, no, you
were not singing along?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
What are you doing.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
My ex girlfriend back in the day when I was
like nineteen twenty brought me to lay Miz and she
was like, it's a very masculine show.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're gonna really like it, and I was like, all right,
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It was there was nothing masculine about Ley Miz. There
was nothing masculine at all. It was all just singing
and dancing. That is not manly. When you're nineteen and
you grew up watching Jackie Chan movies like I want
to see fistfights. I want to see bloody noses. I
want to see asses kicked. I don't want to see
stage combat.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I want to see see a jet ski on fire
and some titties.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's what I'm into.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, I'm not well cultured, man, I'm the first to
admit it. I like what I like. I like pro wrestling,
I like the UFC, I like boxing.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I like race cars. I like old cars.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like That's the shit that I'm into, and you know,
the other stuff is just not for me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I want to see May Young power bombed into a table.
That's what I want to see.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But exactly, Bubba shout out to Jerry the King Lowler.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So yeah, man, So to me, the crowd participation has
always been like mascu mentos, right Like, It's always been
kind of either I like it or I don't like it,
and I've never I haven't found the gray area yet.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I appreciate it more now that I'm older.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But when I worked there, I freaking hated it, probably
because I felt like they were messing up the speeches
that I was writing for these rests.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Like you guys are fucking it up. Give the guy
a chance.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Goddamn, but I've grown since then.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
All right, Jeff, you get the final word. Is the
modern wrestling fan too involved? Or is this just the
evolution of the business. That's a question from our producer Alex.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think that's a great question. Here's the thing, as
wrestling fans, we want to be a part of all
of it. We live in this modern world. That's why
I'm a big fan of that show Unreal on Netflix,
and some fans are crashing out about it, saying.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Oh, this is too much they're doing. This is k
Fabe dead?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's like, yes, dad, bro, what are you talking about.
You don't get to pretend you love k Fabe when
you follow all these wrestlers on Twitter, when you expect
there to be an announcement of Naomi give having a
baby when she's the biggest best heel in women's wrestling
(13:23):
right now, and then they cut to her talking to
Stephanie McMahon, someone everyone hates his daughter, and then and
then she's with Triple H who everyone criticizes, and when
she's going congrats on having the baby, and then Neilmi's like, yeah,
I guess I'm having a baby with Jay You're like,
that's breaking k Fabe, and that's on the show, that's
(13:44):
on the wrestling you love, and then you're gonna bitch
and moan that like Unreal has like a doc series.
You follow these people, you know everything they're doing. You
go to these like wrestling cons and you go to
these conventions and you literally sit there and go, I'm mommy,
she was so nice to me, and to go, that's
all breaking k Fabeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So that's just how the modern era is.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
There's no k Fabe. It's been gone for twenty something
years longer.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The only people trying to keep up with k Fabe
is mjf Bless his heart, like still like trying to
convince everyone that he's this guy yelling at people at
sushi restaurants with Freddy or flipping off your daughter at
an autograph line. There are people trying to keep k
Fabe alive, and you, the wrestling fan, me the wrestling fan,
(14:38):
have ruined k Fabe.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
It's over. Stop complaining about it.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I agree k Fabe is over, and I don't have
any argument, but I would elaborate on what you said
a little bit. Kfa has been dead for way longer
than twenty years YouTube Plan B Wrestlers Plan B. This
was in the seventies. They wanted more money and they
literally made a video where they said, it's all fake
my accent. I'm not Russian, I just do a Russian
(15:05):
accent and the moves are fake. I'm in there to
like it's they This was in the seventies, and then
in the eighties they started doing the shoot interviews, which
then killed k fabe all over again. So all this
stuff and then social media then finalized it.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Put the final podcasts, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Podcasts like this, Yeah, so it's it's been gone.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well no, not ours.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I'm talking about them going on a podcast or like
Logan Paul like shooting three wrestlers a week, you know,
and then Drew McIntyre going on a podcast like literally
saying my friends are texting me that all the wrestlers
are tiny and they should be delivering pizzas, and like
I I blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's like people are breaking.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
K fabe every ten minutes, Like like I shouldn't know
what these guys houses look like, but you can figure
out what their apartment looks like and who they're dating,
and they have an on screen boyfriend Dominique Mysterio.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
But then they have like a husband at home. It's
like ky Fabe is gone.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Hey man, nobody has a husband at home when they're
dating dominic Mysterio. He's enough man for all the women,
all the women. And I'm not going to tolerate any
any even near slander of that fine, fine human being.
Nor will we tolerate any slander of our listeners. So
if you guys hate our listeners.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Fuck you.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Thanks for listening, everybody. I'm happy, Jeff, I'm Freddy, and
we'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Peace.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
We love you,
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