December 19, 2024 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm definitely open to new talent, to young talent, to
anybody who's willing to showcase their craft. It's an art,
it's a craft, and I respect the hell of it.
I'm not just going to be looking for the biggest
guys and the most famous you know, chicks out there.
I'll give opportunities to other people. You obviously need to have,
you know, a stable of well established people, but you
got to have the future there too, otherwise you're going
(00:21):
to miss out on it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
In other words, stay tuned to this damn podcast every
single week.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Shouts that hit the fair? Welcome to on sanctioned Thursdays, Astling.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What Fready?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays. Today's episode is
a continuation of Wednesdays where we take your questions and
we answer them last week or not last week, but
on Wednesday's episode. Whenever you're listening to this. They debut
on Wednesdays, took questions from the Instagram people. This week
we're taking voicemails. Voicemails, I get to hear your voice
(01:07):
and respond to you, and I'll try to be as
funny as theovonn that's not going to happen. I don't
know if you've heard Devon if you know who he is,
but he used to take voicemails on his podcast. I
don't think he does it anymore, and they were some
of the most amazing segments in the world. This will
not compare to that, but I'll do my best.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Hey, Freddie, Jeff and Alex mimes m I'm from Australia
though I just moved to Ohio this year with my family.
My question for you guys is about storylines. WWE just
created two new women's titles, but I feel like they
should be creating storylines. I think AW have this problem
as well. Why is Damian Priesce wrestling Gunt again? Why
is Finn still attacking Priest? Why does Tiffany still have
(01:46):
that bloody briefcase? Where is Wardlow? Where is Ricky Starks? Like,
I just don't care about Mercedes one A right now,
but I feel like I should. The Wire Sex are
another example. I feel like that all show and no delivery.
You know one idea could have target everyone who ever
beat bray Wyatt, but don't tell the audience right away.
Have us try and figure it out and have them
(02:06):
cost people matches at meaningful moments. Maybe it's the sorry
bo trying to overcome grief. Maybe he keeps losing matches
because he sees like a bray whitatt, you know, sign
in the crowd, or maybe carrying cross like pulls out
of masks just to taunt him, and you know he
finally conquers his grief. I don't know, I'm pulling these
out of my bum but, like, is it harder than
I think it is to come up with ideas that land?
(02:28):
Obviously there are good stories right now, but it just
seems like there are too many that fall flat or
feel samey. If you agree that there's issues here, like,
how would you fix it? Is it up to the
talent or the creative team?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Emma, thank you for the voicemail. Appreciate you very very much.
First of first things, First, you already moved to Ohio.
You might as well write all these ideas down and
send them to WWE and try to get onto the
creative team. They have an open door policy with resumes
and they hire people off the streets, at least they
did when I work there. I'm sure they still do
to say degree because you have good ideas and you
(03:02):
should try to get them hurt by more people than
just me and Jeff. So I agree with you pretty
much on everything, all right? Where the hell is Ricky Starks?
Where the hell is Wardlow? Why don't they have stories
they don't have to fight for belts? I believe belts
are a superficial way to help someone get over who's
(03:23):
not that good on the mic. I don't know why
Sometimes they put the people who are the best on
the mic in title run stories because they don't need that.
They can fight over other things and see impunk proved
when they were fighting over a risk. Band talent does
not have the power to fix it unless they're at
the highest of levels. If you say no and you're
(03:45):
a mid level talent to a story, that could be
the last story you ever get, because you're hurting the
feelings and the egos and the pride of insecure people
that exists in every walk of life. So it's on
the creative team to They may be coming up with
just as many stories as you have, and just as
many solutions as you have, and just as many ideas
(04:08):
as you have, but they're not getting past the people
who say yes. And that exists in Hollywood and the
television level, on the film level, it exists in wrestling.
I know, I hear a lot of criticism of writers
from you know, like YouTubers and want to be like
TikTok critic critics and things like that, where they just
(04:31):
don't understand how the business works. Like the studios call
the agencies. The agencies represent the artists. So the studio
calls the agency and says, here's the type of movies
we're looking for. Do your writers have anything in this world?
And that world is intellectual properties, things that have already
been created, that already have a built in audience. Because
(04:52):
they don't know how to market movies anymore. They don't
know how to build stars anymore. The music business will
not sign you an agent. You will not sign you
unless you have a million followers and you've done all
the work on your own and you've already turned yourself
into a star because they no longer know how or
they know how, but they know that it's an investment.
And they're all run by corporations now which are all
(05:15):
risk adverse and want zero investment with the maximum return possible.
That's why they invest in intellectual properties. It's why you
see Rocky two storyline or Rocky three storylines on Monday
Night Raw and NXT. Is they're taking something that's already
been liked by people and they're putting it out there again.
It's very difficult to get an original idea through. The
(05:38):
bloodline is just the Hurt Business reformed into simons, like
that's what that story was. Now, they did it great,
but that story existed already. It existed, and it existed
before the Hurt Business existed. It was another group before that,
and before that group, it was another group before. It's
a storyline that has worked a ton. They turned it
(05:59):
into fans, which turned it into the Godfather, which is cool,
that's relatable. Everybody got that, So I hear what you're saying.
But it's not always on creative because a lot of
times the bosses and the powers that be have their
own plan, their own agenda that's not as well thought out.
Maybe it's just in theme, but they're going to go
(06:20):
with that theme as opposed to going with your idea
that's written out and scripted out and all that. And
it happens in every form of life and it's really
frustrating for audiences. I get that. Imagine how frustrating it
is for the artists involved in it when your ideas
are constantly getting shut down or you're getting told not yet,
or yeah, we like that story, but we like it
(06:42):
for this talent, not the talent you were thinking of. Meanwhile,
you're like, I'd have to write a whole new story
because this was written specifically for talent A, not talent B.
And they were raised differently. They like different movies, they
listen to different music, they like different food, They're completely
different people. So there's a lot that goes into it.
You kind of, at a certain point learn to exist
(07:05):
within it and stop trying to change it and just
stay as true to yourself and your own art as
you can. But I hear what you're saying, and I
think everything you said, you know, as far as your criticism,
is completely legit, And I think you have good ideas,
So you should write them down and you should start
submitting stuff to wrestling companies as soon as possible. That's
the long version of what most people will call an
(07:25):
answer to your question.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And Emma is awesome. Long time follower of the show
keeps up with everything, and it's always nice to us
online and giving us all the praise and talking wrestling.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So yeah, thanks Emma.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
This next one's coming up from Richie C.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
All right, Richie, let's see what you have to say.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Huge fan of the show. I really appreciate all you
guys do. Love the relationship between Freddie and Jeff. I
actually have a non wrestling question for Freddie. I'm a
huge admirer of your dad's stand up. I'm a fellow
Latino artists as well, and he's a huge inspiration to me.
(08:06):
I was curious if there has ever been any talk
of doing some sort of documentary or something that you
were in charge of to honor your father and show
the rest of this new generation how special he was.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Thank you. First of all, your name's Richie. I know
you're Latino bro, and the first thing I was gonna
yell was Richie. Yo, man, thanks so much for the
love to my dad. I really really appreciate that. You know,
I've never talked about this before. I can talk about
it a little. There was an idea in the works
(08:45):
at Warner Brothers to do my dad's story, but the
people involved were super flaky and not focused that not
all of them, but two of the main people involved.
It was more I think a pet project for them
than something they were super passionate about. When they approached me.
They had tons of passion, right, and it seemed like
(09:09):
this was on the forefront of their brain. But nobody
would talk to them because everybody loved my dad and
wanted to protect my dad and wanted me to make
wanted them to make sure that it was a positive
project and not like a hit piece or they just
talk about drugs. Right. So I was involved for a
little bit, and I helped them get access to all
(09:32):
these people, people like Pam Greer, who's basically like my godmother.
People like Paul Williams, who I call Uncle Paul. He's
a president of ASCAP still to this day. Famous musician
from back in the day wrote The Rainbow Connection, which
everybody knows all these people. My dad's best friend was
Jay Leno. They taught my dad how to drive like
(09:53):
None of these people would have even spoken to them
under any circumstances had I not made it clear that
this was going to be a positive piece, or at
least I had been convinced that it was, and then
once I got them all those names, I just stopped
hearing from them all together, and they were like making
moves without me. I'd find out like weeks later there
was already a script here and this that, and I
(10:14):
was like, I didn't even get to read it. And
it was only because one of the people involved, who's
a decent guy, called me and told me what was
going on, assuming that I was in the loop. And
I was not in the loop. So I quickly squashed
that and made sure that nobody else spoke to them,
and those people will never speak to those two gentlemen
ever the fuck again. And they were big time players
(10:35):
in Hollywood, and I'm sure they're you know, I'm sure
they've been a hero to someone that they've had a
meeting with, but they certainly weren't that with me. And
I think I'm still waiting for a call on if
there's a script done or not. And this is like
two years ago, so maybe they will, but yeah, so
I don't. It left such a sour taste in my mouth.
(10:57):
I don't think I would go down that road again.
At least it wouldn't be with my permission, and they
wouldn't have access to any of the people who actually
knew my dad, So it would just be a fraudulent
kind of fake thing if anybody ever made because all
those people respect my family too much to go on
the record. There's guys like you know that just need
(11:18):
the attention and want to be involved that would say
they were friends with my dad when they probably just
like partied and did coke with them once or twice.
But that would be the only story they'd be able
to contribute. They wouldn't be able to tell you who
my father was in any way, shape or form. So yeah,
it did almost happen once, but it kind of it
fell apart because things weren't handled correctly. And I don't
(11:39):
you know, they tried to remake the show years ago,
and I wouldn't give the approval for that because it
just looked like they were just it was for a
money gig, like they were just trying to cash in
on what my dad, you know, helped create and help
make special. So yeah, we debted that too, Yeah, don't
I don't know, Maybe if the right people came along,
it would have to be it have to be people
(12:01):
that I already had a relationship with that I already know,
so that I know exactly what kind of human beings
they are and I know what kind of business they do.
It wouldn't there wouldn't be a stranger on this planet
that would convince me they're the one that's going to
do it. I would just say no. It would have
to be somebody that I that I have a relationship
with already. So there you go, man, that you asked
(12:22):
the right question and you got the first time I've
ever talked about it in the history of my life.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
That's interesting, man, that's the first time I had a
good job.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Richie.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I don't know you, but man, Richie, I'm gonna believe
myself off with that. On Hold on, this one's coming
in from Wayne.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Hey, Freddy, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I
love the fact that you're pursuing your own wrestling company.
My question is, would you consider a partnership with AEW
one that would allow you to use some of their
talent from AW to help get your company started and
exchange you and some of your celect already family and
(13:00):
friends would make appearances at AAW Paper View and Dynamite
to help them develop a stronger image to the entertainment
world and possibly in the future do some shows and
storylines together.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Thank you very much. Thank you for the question, Wayne,
I appreciate it, and one hundred percent Yeah, definitely be
open to working with, you know, just about anybody that's
willing to do business. And if AAW wanted to have
that kind of a partnership the way they they've established
with other independent promotions, then yeah. And I've had conversations
with with wrestlers from all over that if they were
(13:37):
available and could would be, would be down to help
and see what we're trying to do. But again, I
have to get far enough down the road that it's real.
Otherwise I'm just wasting people's time. You know. I've hit
some speed bumps that have sent me backwards down the
road a bit, and I'm having to kind of not
start from scratch, but damn near scratch. So yeah, I
definitely would be open to doing a partnership with AW
(13:59):
or there's that many people out there. Awwww. I don't
know about WW, but for sure with AW.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Very nice that that concludes our our voicemails. I do
have about two minutes left, so I want to just
run by for you. These quick rapid fire questions that
you could just you know, answer if you don't mind, Freddy,
we had so many people are afraid to talk, I
think and put their voice out there. But thank you, Emma, Richie.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
In Big Wayne Man not little Way.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
What are your thoughts on The Ultimate Warrior? This is
from David. He says, I always liked his character.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So The Ultimate Warrior was like the first wrestler interaction
I ever had. When I was a little kid, and
I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico at Tingley Coliseum, which
is where they did rodeos, and it literally had dirt floors,
and a bunch of kids ran up. They were doing
a battle Royal or Royal Rumbles, so I can't remember,
I was in third grade. It was like forty years ago.
(15:05):
They all ran down to the guardrail. So I asked
my mom if I could run down too, and she
said yeah. So I ran down to the guardrail and
the wrestlers were coming out to get in the ring
and start the match. Here comes the Ultimate Warrior and
I've never seen somebody so jacked in my life. And
he's walking by and out of all the kids that
(15:25):
the security could have hassled, they hassled me, and I
just feel this meat hilt just right on the back
of my neck. You got to get out of here,
and I'm scared to death. I'm like eight years old, man,
and so I'm gonna leave and I'm pretty upset, and literally,
the Ultimate Warrior. You hear him yell out, it's okay,
you can stay, and he was right next to me.
(15:45):
I looked over and it was The Ultimate Warrior and
he smelled like baby oil, sweat and dirt, that's how
close he was. And he had the bicycle tassels on
his biceps and I could have reached out and touched him,
and the security guy fucking let go because he was
afraid of the Ultimate Warrior and would do anything the
Ultimate Warrior said. And I got to sit there and
watch all the wrestlers come out before they got in
(16:05):
the ring and started the match. So that was my
first experience with him. As I got older and started
watching his matches, I started not liking The Ultimate Warrior
because his matches weren't very good and he didn't really
know how to wrestle the way I liked wrestlers to wrestle.
He had like a move and that was it, and
so as I got older, I didn't think he was
very cool and I didn't know much about him outside
(16:26):
of that. But yeah, as a kid, I thought he
was a cool guy because he saved my ass, and
as a grown up, I was like, man, maybe I
was wrong. Maybe it's not that from.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The wrestling realms of the w W. Remember those promos
that he would do, like just yeah, man, this second one.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They were so random, promos never made sense, not one
of them made.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So they're better than the Steiner promo with the Math.
This was coming from mister Gercia Math. Will you have
open tryouts from when your wrestling promotion gets started.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'll have opportunities for a lot of people when when
they come in. I've had a lot of people reach
out to me on Instagram. I may not have responded
to all of them, but I've responded to a bunch
and said, hey, when you hear about me getting this
shit green lit, hit me up, man, and if there's
something for you, I'll give you an opportunity to come work.
And if I click with what you're doing, we'll find
something for you on the show. And if I don't,
(17:16):
I'll just tell you to keep working. I'll let you
know what I didn't respond to. So yeah, one hundred percent.
I'm definitely open to new talent, to young talent, to
anybody who's willing to showcase their craft. It's an art,
it's a craft, and I respect the hell of it.
I'm not just going to be looking for the biggest
guys and the most famous, you know, chicks out there.
I'll give opportunities to other people. You obviously need to have,
(17:38):
you know, a stable of well established people, but you
got to have the future there too, otherwise you're going
to miss out on it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In other words, stay tuned to this damn podcast every
single week. You don't want to miss it. Now, this
next one, really quick, We've got about a minute left.
Is Jack Pot Jeff Die having his debut match when
the Fieration debuts on TV.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Hell no, that's the only old open tryout that gets
next is the Jackpod Jeff Die. First of all, he'll
get injured right away. He's in his forties now, it's
not gonna happen, and he can focus more on the
interview or the pre show or post show, or if
he learns the name of the moves and he starts
saying Solo Socoa instead of Sequoia. Then he can do
(18:19):
some announcing, but he's got to get the name right
otherwise it turns into Mike Adamley and we got Jeff
Harvey instead of Jeff Hardy, and then everybody hates you
for the rest of your life, which Jeff might actually like.
So you'd probably screw the names up on purpose, jamaking
me crazy. Kofe Oh. When Mike Adamley said that on
NXT in whatever year that was, I thought I was
(18:40):
gonna jump off for I had to you guys, listen
to this and we'll close the show with this. I'm
the guy that basically told Mike Adamley he was fired
from WWE. They gave me this segment. He was not
doing a good job. He just couldn't keep up with
the moves and the characters' names and their finishes, and
every week just major, not little screw ups, like major
(19:02):
screw ups. And I felt so bad for the guy.
It just wasn't the right He did so great with
American Gladiators, like he was the man on that. He
was so good on it, and it was just the
opposite effect on this. He just didn't click it didn't work,
and they have it they were going to fire him
that that night, and they gave him this one last
segment where Randy Orton disrespects him so bad that he
slaps Randy Orton across the face and he strikes a
(19:24):
WW talent and that's why he's gonna get fired. And
so I have to bring this segment to him, knowing
that they're firing him, right, and Vince is like laughing
about it. I'm like, come on, man, don't make me
do this. And he's like, ah, like he's just he
took so much joy and entertainment and the suffering of others.
And so I gulped at his dude, and I go, hey, man,
(19:44):
you were ready to work on the segment. He goes, yeah,
I read, I read the script. Am I am I
getting fired? And I was just like, oh my god, dude,
Like what do I say? Like in my head, I'm like, well,
you never know what could happen, Like you know, it
could turn into something, And then in my heart I
just it basically said yeah, man, it doesn't it doesn't
(20:07):
look good. And he was just like oh shit. And
I'm sitting there like fuck you guys for making me
do this because everybody knew he would know, you know
what I mean, Like, that's not my job. Man, I'm
not human resources. I'm not I don't deal with talent
like that, Like, that's not my job. Was just a
writer and a segment producer. And I'm having to tell
this guy that, like this job's over. And I felt
(20:29):
so bad. And granted he did not do a good job,
like I think he would even admit that and acknowledge that.
And I'm not trying to like talk shit. This happened
years and years and years ago. It was just such
a tough spot, man for him. Randy knew it was
a tough spot for Randy, and having to deliver the
news was just like, you know, it's not as bad
(20:52):
as a doctor coming out and saying, hey, your son
didn't make it. But as far as what I've had
to experience in my profession, that was what that moment
represented to me. So yeah, so there you go. Man.
I don't know how we got on that, but we
got on that all right. Boys and girls, Thank you
for tuning in. Happy holidays, see you next week. Peace.
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I'm definitely open to new talent, to young talent, to
anybody who's willing to showcase their craft. It's an art,
it's a craft, and I respect the hell of it.
I'm not just going to be looking for the biggest
guys and the most famous you know, chicks out there.
I'll give opportunities to other people. You obviously need to have,
you know, a stable of well established people, but you
got to have the future there too, otherwise you're going
(00:21):
to miss out on it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
In other words, stay tuned to this damn podcast every
single week.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Shouts that hit the fair? Welcome to on sanctioned Thursdays, Astling.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What Fready?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays. Today's episode is
a continuation of Wednesdays where we take your questions and
we answer them last week or not last week, but
on Wednesday's episode. Whenever you're listening to this. They debut
on Wednesdays, took questions from the Instagram people. This week
we're taking voicemails. Voicemails, I get to hear your voice
(01:07):
and respond to you, and I'll try to be as
funny as theovonn that's not going to happen. I don't
know if you've heard Devon if you know who he is,
but he used to take voicemails on his podcast. I
don't think he does it anymore, and they were some
of the most amazing segments in the world. This will
not compare to that, but I'll do my best.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Hey, Freddie, Jeff and Alex mimes m I'm from Australia
though I just moved to Ohio this year with my family.
My question for you guys is about storylines. WWE just
created two new women's titles, but I feel like they
should be creating storylines. I think AW have this problem
as well. Why is Damian Priesce wrestling Gunt again? Why
is Finn still attacking Priest? Why does Tiffany still have
(01:46):
that bloody briefcase? Where is Wardlow? Where is Ricky Starks? Like,
I just don't care about Mercedes one A right now,
but I feel like I should. The Wire Sex are
another example. I feel like that all show and no delivery.
You know one idea could have target everyone who ever
beat bray Wyatt, but don't tell the audience right away.
Have us try and figure it out and have them
(02:06):
cost people matches at meaningful moments. Maybe it's the sorry
bo trying to overcome grief. Maybe he keeps losing matches
because he sees like a bray whitatt, you know, sign
in the crowd, or maybe carrying cross like pulls out
of masks just to taunt him, and you know he
finally conquers his grief. I don't know, I'm pulling these
out of my bum but, like, is it harder than
I think it is to come up with ideas that land?
(02:28):
Obviously there are good stories right now, but it just
seems like there are too many that fall flat or
feel samey. If you agree that there's issues here, like,
how would you fix it? Is it up to the
talent or the creative team?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Emma, thank you for the voicemail. Appreciate you very very much.
First of first things, First, you already moved to Ohio.
You might as well write all these ideas down and
send them to WWE and try to get onto the
creative team. They have an open door policy with resumes
and they hire people off the streets, at least they
did when I work there. I'm sure they still do
to say degree because you have good ideas and you
(03:02):
should try to get them hurt by more people than
just me and Jeff. So I agree with you pretty
much on everything, all right? Where the hell is Ricky Starks?
Where the hell is Wardlow? Why don't they have stories
they don't have to fight for belts? I believe belts
are a superficial way to help someone get over who's
(03:23):
not that good on the mic. I don't know why
Sometimes they put the people who are the best on
the mic in title run stories because they don't need that.
They can fight over other things and see impunk proved
when they were fighting over a risk. Band talent does
not have the power to fix it unless they're at
the highest of levels. If you say no and you're
(03:45):
a mid level talent to a story, that could be
the last story you ever get, because you're hurting the
feelings and the egos and the pride of insecure people
that exists in every walk of life. So it's on
the creative team to They may be coming up with
just as many stories as you have, and just as
many solutions as you have, and just as many ideas
(04:08):
as you have, but they're not getting past the people
who say yes. And that exists in Hollywood and the
television level, on the film level, it exists in wrestling.
I know, I hear a lot of criticism of writers
from you know, like YouTubers and want to be like
TikTok critic critics and things like that, where they just
(04:31):
don't understand how the business works. Like the studios call
the agencies. The agencies represent the artists. So the studio
calls the agency and says, here's the type of movies
we're looking for. Do your writers have anything in this world?
And that world is intellectual properties, things that have already
been created, that already have a built in audience. Because
(04:52):
they don't know how to market movies anymore. They don't
know how to build stars anymore. The music business will
not sign you an agent. You will not sign you
unless you have a million followers and you've done all
the work on your own and you've already turned yourself
into a star because they no longer know how or
they know how, but they know that it's an investment.
And they're all run by corporations now which are all
(05:15):
risk adverse and want zero investment with the maximum return possible.
That's why they invest in intellectual properties. It's why you
see Rocky two storyline or Rocky three storylines on Monday
Night Raw and NXT. Is they're taking something that's already
been liked by people and they're putting it out there again.
It's very difficult to get an original idea through. The
(05:38):
bloodline is just the Hurt Business reformed into simons, like
that's what that story was. Now, they did it great,
but that story existed already. It existed, and it existed
before the Hurt Business existed. It was another group before that,
and before that group, it was another group before. It's
a storyline that has worked a ton. They turned it
(05:59):
into fans, which turned it into the Godfather, which is cool,
that's relatable. Everybody got that, So I hear what you're saying.
But it's not always on creative because a lot of
times the bosses and the powers that be have their
own plan, their own agenda that's not as well thought out.
Maybe it's just in theme, but they're going to go
(06:20):
with that theme as opposed to going with your idea
that's written out and scripted out and all that. And
it happens in every form of life and it's really
frustrating for audiences. I get that. Imagine how frustrating it
is for the artists involved in it when your ideas
are constantly getting shut down or you're getting told not yet,
or yeah, we like that story, but we like it
(06:42):
for this talent, not the talent you were thinking of. Meanwhile,
you're like, I'd have to write a whole new story
because this was written specifically for talent A, not talent B.
And they were raised differently. They like different movies, they
listen to different music, they like different food, They're completely
different people. So there's a lot that goes into it.
You kind of, at a certain point learn to exist
(07:05):
within it and stop trying to change it and just
stay as true to yourself and your own art as
you can. But I hear what you're saying, and I
think everything you said, you know, as far as your criticism,
is completely legit, And I think you have good ideas,
So you should write them down and you should start
submitting stuff to wrestling companies as soon as possible. That's
the long version of what most people will call an
(07:25):
answer to your question.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
And Emma is awesome. Long time follower of the show
keeps up with everything, and it's always nice to us
online and giving us all the praise and talking wrestling.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So yeah, thanks Emma.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
This next one's coming up from Richie C.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
All right, Richie, let's see what you have to say.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Huge fan of the show. I really appreciate all you
guys do. Love the relationship between Freddie and Jeff. I
actually have a non wrestling question for Freddie. I'm a
huge admirer of your dad's stand up. I'm a fellow
Latino artists as well, and he's a huge inspiration to me.
(08:06):
I was curious if there has ever been any talk
of doing some sort of documentary or something that you
were in charge of to honor your father and show
the rest of this new generation how special he was.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Thank you. First of all, your name's Richie. I know
you're Latino bro, and the first thing I was gonna
yell was Richie. Yo, man, thanks so much for the
love to my dad. I really really appreciate that. You know,
I've never talked about this before. I can talk about
it a little. There was an idea in the works
(08:45):
at Warner Brothers to do my dad's story, but the
people involved were super flaky and not focused that not
all of them, but two of the main people involved.
It was more I think a pet project for them
than something they were super passionate about. When they approached me.
They had tons of passion, right, and it seemed like
(09:09):
this was on the forefront of their brain. But nobody
would talk to them because everybody loved my dad and
wanted to protect my dad and wanted me to make
wanted them to make sure that it was a positive
project and not like a hit piece or they just
talk about drugs. Right. So I was involved for a
little bit, and I helped them get access to all
(09:32):
these people, people like Pam Greer, who's basically like my godmother.
People like Paul Williams, who I call Uncle Paul. He's
a president of ASCAP still to this day. Famous musician
from back in the day wrote The Rainbow Connection, which
everybody knows all these people. My dad's best friend was
Jay Leno. They taught my dad how to drive like
(09:53):
None of these people would have even spoken to them
under any circumstances had I not made it clear that
this was going to be a positive piece, or at
least I had been convinced that it was, and then
once I got them all those names, I just stopped
hearing from them all together, and they were like making
moves without me. I'd find out like weeks later there
was already a script here and this that, and I
(10:14):
was like, I didn't even get to read it. And
it was only because one of the people involved, who's
a decent guy, called me and told me what was
going on, assuming that I was in the loop. And
I was not in the loop. So I quickly squashed
that and made sure that nobody else spoke to them,
and those people will never speak to those two gentlemen
ever the fuck again. And they were big time players
(10:35):
in Hollywood, and I'm sure they're you know, I'm sure
they've been a hero to someone that they've had a
meeting with, but they certainly weren't that with me. And
I think I'm still waiting for a call on if
there's a script done or not. And this is like
two years ago, so maybe they will, but yeah, so
I don't. It left such a sour taste in my mouth.
(10:57):
I don't think I would go down that road again.
At least it wouldn't be with my permission, and they
wouldn't have access to any of the people who actually
knew my dad, So it would just be a fraudulent
kind of fake thing if anybody ever made because all
those people respect my family too much to go on
the record. There's guys like you know that just need
(11:18):
the attention and want to be involved that would say
they were friends with my dad when they probably just
like partied and did coke with them once or twice.
But that would be the only story they'd be able
to contribute. They wouldn't be able to tell you who
my father was in any way, shape or form. So yeah,
it did almost happen once, but it kind of it
fell apart because things weren't handled correctly. And I don't
(11:39):
you know, they tried to remake the show years ago,
and I wouldn't give the approval for that because it
just looked like they were just it was for a
money gig, like they were just trying to cash in
on what my dad, you know, helped create and help
make special. So yeah, we debted that too, Yeah, don't
I don't know, Maybe if the right people came along,
it would have to be it have to be people
(12:01):
that I already had a relationship with that I already know,
so that I know exactly what kind of human beings
they are and I know what kind of business they do.
It wouldn't there wouldn't be a stranger on this planet
that would convince me they're the one that's going to
do it. I would just say no. It would have
to be somebody that I that I have a relationship
with already. So there you go, man, that you asked
(12:22):
the right question and you got the first time I've
ever talked about it in the history of my life.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
That's interesting, man, that's the first time I had a
good job.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Richie.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I don't know you, but man, Richie, I'm gonna believe
myself off with that. On Hold on, this one's coming
in from Wayne.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Hey, Freddy, I'm a huge fan of your podcast. I
love the fact that you're pursuing your own wrestling company.
My question is, would you consider a partnership with AEW
one that would allow you to use some of their
talent from AW to help get your company started and
exchange you and some of your celect already family and
(13:00):
friends would make appearances at AAW Paper View and Dynamite
to help them develop a stronger image to the entertainment
world and possibly in the future do some shows and
storylines together.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Thank you very much. Thank you for the question, Wayne,
I appreciate it, and one hundred percent Yeah, definitely be
open to working with, you know, just about anybody that's
willing to do business. And if AAW wanted to have
that kind of a partnership the way they they've established
with other independent promotions, then yeah. And I've had conversations
with with wrestlers from all over that if they were
(13:37):
available and could would be, would be down to help
and see what we're trying to do. But again, I
have to get far enough down the road that it's real.
Otherwise I'm just wasting people's time. You know. I've hit
some speed bumps that have sent me backwards down the
road a bit, and I'm having to kind of not
start from scratch, but damn near scratch. So yeah, I
definitely would be open to doing a partnership with AW
(13:59):
or there's that many people out there. Awwww. I don't
know about WW, but for sure with AW.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Very nice that that concludes our our voicemails. I do
have about two minutes left, so I want to just
run by for you. These quick rapid fire questions that
you could just you know, answer if you don't mind, Freddy,
we had so many people are afraid to talk, I
think and put their voice out there. But thank you, Emma, Richie.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
In Big Wayne Man not little Way.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
What are your thoughts on The Ultimate Warrior? This is
from David. He says, I always liked his character.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So The Ultimate Warrior was like the first wrestler interaction
I ever had. When I was a little kid, and
I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico at Tingley Coliseum, which
is where they did rodeos, and it literally had dirt floors,
and a bunch of kids ran up. They were doing
a battle Royal or Royal Rumbles, so I can't remember,
I was in third grade. It was like forty years ago.
(15:05):
They all ran down to the guardrail. So I asked
my mom if I could run down too, and she
said yeah. So I ran down to the guardrail and
the wrestlers were coming out to get in the ring
and start the match. Here comes the Ultimate Warrior and
I've never seen somebody so jacked in my life. And
he's walking by and out of all the kids that
(15:25):
the security could have hassled, they hassled me, and I
just feel this meat hilt just right on the back
of my neck. You got to get out of here,
and I'm scared to death. I'm like eight years old, man,
and so I'm gonna leave and I'm pretty upset, and literally,
the Ultimate Warrior. You hear him yell out, it's okay,
you can stay, and he was right next to me.
(15:45):
I looked over and it was The Ultimate Warrior and
he smelled like baby oil, sweat and dirt, that's how
close he was. And he had the bicycle tassels on
his biceps and I could have reached out and touched him,
and the security guy fucking let go because he was
afraid of the Ultimate Warrior and would do anything the
Ultimate Warrior said. And I got to sit there and
watch all the wrestlers come out before they got in
(16:05):
the ring and started the match. So that was my
first experience with him. As I got older and started
watching his matches, I started not liking The Ultimate Warrior
because his matches weren't very good and he didn't really
know how to wrestle the way I liked wrestlers to wrestle.
He had like a move and that was it, and
so as I got older, I didn't think he was
very cool and I didn't know much about him outside
(16:26):
of that. But yeah, as a kid, I thought he
was a cool guy because he saved my ass, and
as a grown up, I was like, man, maybe I
was wrong. Maybe it's not that from.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The wrestling realms of the w W. Remember those promos
that he would do, like just yeah, man, this second one.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They were so random, promos never made sense, not one
of them made.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So they're better than the Steiner promo with the Math.
This was coming from mister Gercia Math. Will you have
open tryouts from when your wrestling promotion gets started.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I'll have opportunities for a lot of people when when
they come in. I've had a lot of people reach
out to me on Instagram. I may not have responded
to all of them, but I've responded to a bunch
and said, hey, when you hear about me getting this
shit green lit, hit me up, man, and if there's
something for you, I'll give you an opportunity to come work.
And if I click with what you're doing, we'll find
something for you on the show. And if I don't,
(17:16):
I'll just tell you to keep working. I'll let you
know what I didn't respond to. So yeah, one hundred percent.
I'm definitely open to new talent, to young talent, to
anybody who's willing to showcase their craft. It's an art,
it's a craft, and I respect the hell of it.
I'm not just going to be looking for the biggest
guys and the most famous, you know, chicks out there.
I'll give opportunities to other people. You obviously need to have,
(17:38):
you know, a stable of well established people, but you
got to have the future there too, otherwise you're going
to miss out on it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
In other words, stay tuned to this damn podcast every
single week. You don't want to miss it. Now, this
next one, really quick, We've got about a minute left.
Is Jack Pot Jeff Die having his debut match when
the Fieration debuts on TV.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Hell no, that's the only old open tryout that gets
next is the Jackpod Jeff Die. First of all, he'll
get injured right away. He's in his forties now, it's
not gonna happen, and he can focus more on the
interview or the pre show or post show, or if
he learns the name of the moves and he starts
saying Solo Socoa instead of Sequoia. Then he can do
(18:19):
some announcing, but he's got to get the name right
otherwise it turns into Mike Adamley and we got Jeff
Harvey instead of Jeff Hardy, and then everybody hates you
for the rest of your life, which Jeff might actually like.
So you'd probably screw the names up on purpose, jamaking
me crazy. Kofe Oh. When Mike Adamley said that on
NXT in whatever year that was, I thought I was
(18:40):
gonna jump off for I had to you guys, listen
to this and we'll close the show with this. I'm
the guy that basically told Mike Adamley he was fired
from WWE. They gave me this segment. He was not
doing a good job. He just couldn't keep up with
the moves and the characters' names and their finishes, and
every week just major, not little screw ups, like major
(19:02):
screw ups. And I felt so bad for the guy.
It just wasn't the right He did so great with
American Gladiators, like he was the man on that. He
was so good on it, and it was just the
opposite effect on this. He just didn't click it didn't work,
and they have it they were going to fire him
that that night, and they gave him this one last
segment where Randy Orton disrespects him so bad that he
slaps Randy Orton across the face and he strikes a
(19:24):
WW talent and that's why he's gonna get fired. And
so I have to bring this segment to him, knowing
that they're firing him, right, and Vince is like laughing
about it. I'm like, come on, man, don't make me
do this. And he's like, ah, like he's just he
took so much joy and entertainment and the suffering of others.
And so I gulped at his dude, and I go, hey, man,
(19:44):
you were ready to work on the segment. He goes, yeah,
I read, I read the script. Am I am I
getting fired? And I was just like, oh my god, dude,
Like what do I say? Like in my head, I'm like, well,
you never know what could happen, Like you know, it
could turn into something, And then in my heart I
just it basically said yeah, man, it doesn't it doesn't
(20:07):
look good. And he was just like oh shit. And
I'm sitting there like fuck you guys for making me
do this because everybody knew he would know, you know
what I mean, Like, that's not my job. Man, I'm
not human resources. I'm not I don't deal with talent
like that, Like, that's not my job. Was just a
writer and a segment producer. And I'm having to tell
this guy that, like this job's over. And I felt
(20:29):
so bad. And granted he did not do a good job,
like I think he would even admit that and acknowledge that.
And I'm not trying to like talk shit. This happened
years and years and years ago. It was just such
a tough spot, man for him. Randy knew it was
a tough spot for Randy, and having to deliver the
news was just like, you know, it's not as bad
(20:52):
as a doctor coming out and saying, hey, your son
didn't make it. But as far as what I've had
to experience in my profession, that was what that moment
represented to me. So yeah, so there you go. Man.
I don't know how we got on that, but we
got on that all right. Boys and girls, Thank you
for tuning in. Happy holidays, see you next week. Peace.
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