April 30, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode of Wrestling with Friends, Jeff Dye and I dive into a variety of wrestling topics. We kick things off with some nostalgic reflections on John Cena's career, his role during the PG era, and the reactions to his eventual heel turn. From there, the conversation shifts to Randy Orton's journey—how he evolved from a villain to a respected veteran—and a breakdown of his current storyline.
We also take a closer look at Zelina Vega's wrestling career, the impact of her recent win, and her compelling promos. Plus, I analyze some of the latest wrestling storylines, including Gunther's unexpected attack on Pat McAfee and the surprising team-up of MJF.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, what's up? Boys? Oh my god, you put your
fingers up and confetti fell down, and that was amazing.
You just celebrated yourself. That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I thought time we got some special effects on this podcast,
so you know that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, we got to step up this. We're stepping up
the podcast. You guys, you got your Arizona Diamondbacks hat
on as as a Dodgers fan, that's like upsetting. But
you love baseball all over the world, Jeff, Yeah, and
I'm live from Arizona, so I felt like i'd rock
league gear. That's true, that's true. All right, we got
a lot to go through in the world of wrestling
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this week. And it's two thousand and seven all over again.
And that's right around the time that I was working
at the WWE and John Cena was there's a bird
singing by the way behind you, and I can hear it,
and it's beautiful. John Cena was the goodest of guys,
the greatest of guys. He didn't like me, but he
was the goodest of guys, the greatest of guys, and
(01:36):
if you were a kid, you freaking loved him. And
he was the world Champion of WWE during like the
PG era, which was a big burden to carry because
you didn't get to say all the cool stuff like
DX did. You didn't get to be in the last
hour of Monday Night Raw when the ratings could be
a little racier or the rating could be a little
(01:58):
racier and they could float to PG third team. That's
when Hunter would cut his promos, but John Cena had
to cut him first hour and it was a real
thankless job man. The crowd hated him. They would they
would chant if or hould signs that said if Sina wins,
we riot you dork's never rioted cowards, and they would scream,
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you can't wrestle, you can't wrestle like they would shit
all over him if they were of a certain age, right,
and they didn't want that kind of wrestling. They hated
PG wrestling, You hated it with all your heart and
all your soul. And you love Randy Orton because he
would come out and destroy John Cena, and the belt
would go back and forth between them there for a
(02:40):
few years. John had it more, but Randy was the
only one that could really take it off John. And
then the only one that could take it off Randy
was John, and they would go back and forth. Well,
now it's twenty twenty five and the roles are completely reversed,
and the humble, kind hearted veteran is that scumbag Randy
(03:01):
Orton who broke my fucking back on Monday night. Raw
y'all for think I forgot about that? Hell No, And
the heel the man who would break my back now
is John Cena, who's a dick. And everybody hates it now,
although we love it because he finally went heel, But
everybody hates you, son of a bitch, Boom and they
boot him, and he thinks it's a dysfunctional relationship. That's
(03:24):
his motivation for this whole heel turn. And the whole
world has reversed and everybody's finally gotten what they wanted,
right right, I hope So, Jeff, is this what you've
wanted to see and now you're finally getting it? Are
you happy with the heel turn? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean the heel turn I'm not crazy about. But
what are we living in the upside down? Are we
living in some sort of bizarro universe where in real
life Randy Orton and Freddy Prince Junior are cool and
John Cena was a little grumpy to you and a
little prick towards you being in the w B. But
(04:02):
in kfab back then you love John Cena and you
hated Randy Jordon. But now in the real world, Randy
Orton's cool and John Cena is the bad guy, and
now your k fabe is all matched with your real
Freddie thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's very, very, very weird. Yeah, I'm confused. I'm confused
on how I feel about everything, Jeff. Yeah, it's very strange.
I love Rand Jordon in real life, and I like
John Cena. I don't really know him, but I'm a
I've been a fan forevery I always liked John. John
just didn't like me. I got it. I got he
didn't want Hollywood in the wrestling business. But I always
(04:36):
liked him in respected the sacrifice he had to make
and be in the PG champ for all those years.
I think he's even though he's highly heralded, I still
think he's he's underrated for what he did and what
he gave to the business, what he did for Make
a Wish Kids that was going on when I was there,
Like John was never available because he was always granting
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wishes to Make a Wish Kids. And that's fucking awesome.
So I always liked him. He just didn't like Hollywood,
and now he does. So everything's flipped upside out. Even
his philosophy on actual probably liked me, now you probably
likes well.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I will say that that that's what we What I
like about him is that it's hard to be the
good guy, whether you like d X or sorry d
X saying suck it and stone cold get into clash beers.
That's fun, but that's also that's like it's it's a trick,
you know, It's like, yeah, dude, I kind of got
these kind of gimmicky kind of thing whereas it's hard
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to be the good guy.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We're doing the.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Right thing and and and so John Cena doing that
for so long was very admirable.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And it's a very hard road to be the good guy.
You don't get to be the cool Darth Vader. You
got to be Luke Skywalker. And so that's that's actually
what I what I was gonna say, was like from
one group of dorks to another group of dorks. You
can compare it to stars, Like everybody wanted to be
Hans Solo because Han Solo was cool as fuck and
said heal shit but got away with it as a babyface.
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Luke Skywalker was corny as hell, like if you were grown.
My mom thought he was a dork. Like she didn't
think that movie cool. She liked Harrison Ford because he
was a man. And that's what like DX and stone Cold.
Stone Cold more than DXDX was more like Adoles and children.
Stone Cold was a man's man, and he drank beer
and he'd fight you and kick you in the gut
and stunner you. And John didn't get to do any
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of that. Man. John had to work hard. John had
to take his vitamins, believe in God, all that all
that stuff. Man believe in himself, help you believe in yourself.
It was all the responsibility with none of the fun.
And he never got the credit for that. I still
don't think he gets the credit for that. Now. They
just love that he's finally turned heel. We tried to
turn him heel when I worked there, you guys, I
(06:40):
probably every writer on the writing team was like, Hey,
here's what idea to pitch de Vince to turn John Hill.
And Vince's just like, Yo, shut the fuck up. It's
not he's selling merch to He's a good guy. He's
never gonna be a bad guy, and and so he never.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
More good guys because I think it is to be
a bad guy. It's more fun to be a bad guy.
It's easier to be a bad guy. It's easier to
write for a bad guy. I'm assuming is that true.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, you get to just talk shit. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So we need good guys, and it's admirably good guy
and I think it's harder to be a good guy.
So that's why I was a little disappointed with the
heel turn, because I would have loved to have seen
just a John seen it who was good all the
way through.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Really, you would want to see him maintain it. Wow,
I want you gotta be the only one. You got
to be the only one because everybody wanted which is cool,
but everybody wanted that dude to turn for so long.
I mean I feel like even Hunter pitched an idea
when I worked there on how to turn him here,
and it was just like everything was just like throwing
rocks against a steel wall, like just nothing was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, I just feel like in my mind, it's like,
well that that's the hardest thing to be, So why
end with being like the easy kind of heel turn things.
But all that to be said, I we got to
give a shout out to Randy Orton. This sky went
from being not even having a match at wrestleming it.
It was just this Ko Ko Randy Orton match where
(08:10):
you know, unfortunately injuries happen and you know Ko needs
this next surgery ACEP.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So now he has.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Now now Andy's going into his twentieth wrestlemedia going, I
don't even know who I'm going.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
To wrestle, and now he's probably the most the hottest
storyline in wrestling. Yeah he could be, you could argue that. Media. Yeah,
he he went from not having a match to Joe
Hendry squash match to this r KAO out of nowhere,
Oh my god, and everybody went, oh shit, they're gonna
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do it again. And this was a match that in
nine everyone was tired of because they had done it
like five times and we haven't seen it in forever,
and now all of a sudden, like you said, it's
like the hottest storyline every amazing and can he win? Like,
can they do the back and forth thing? I don't
think so, because I think it's seen his last run,
(09:01):
so he'll keep it until the guy who's gonna have
it for a while beats him. But I always pitch
this on the show, is like, have a title go
back and forth between two guys who better than the
last two guys that went back and forth between That
was the last time it happened in WWE, so it
could bounce back and forth and then finally Cody comes
back and is like, fuck this triple threat, Fuck you guys,
and then he can get his title back and be
(09:22):
CHAMPI again. Hopefully they have some other people that they
can push that they can sort of, you know, look
at in the same category as their big money wrestlers,
and they can bring someone like a carry and Cross
and give them a genuine like a push or switch
gnther over to SmackDown and have him be a guy
that goes after. We'll get into Gunther's storyline here in
(09:43):
a second, but hopefully they have somebody planned the way
political parties should have politicians prepped and ready for when
it's their turn to run for president. Neither do that
as well as i'd like, Yeah, wrestling or politics. Yeah,
in all.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Things, I know, you know, carry and Cross, yes, failures.
Would you say that he's most similar and not like
character wise or anything, but like he's a Randy Orton
esque guy? Or who in the business do you think
carrying Cross kind of is following in the path of
(10:23):
Or I don't see him following in a path.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, I guess everybody's following a path to some degree,
but I'm just too dense to see it. You know.
For me, it's always like if person X and person
Y had a baby, it would be this person that's
more how my brain works. So it would be like
if Randy Orton and Bray Wyatt were smashed together, then
all the like that you would get a Carryon Cross
Because he wants to do darker, more theatrical type promos
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like with the black and white and his ability to
communicate in the ring. He likes it to be a
little more old school, right, like, not in a campy way,
like a in a dark like horror movie kind of way,
the same way Brady and then his body in the
way he works is much more like like Randy. Although
(11:09):
Randy for a long time was the best wrestler in
the world and I don't think Krrian's gotten to carry
that monocer yet because he hasn't had the opportunity to,
uh to have you know, those types of world class
matches the way Randy was having him with John back
in the day. Randy was the kind of guy I
remember watching a random episode of like the Saturday Day Show.
It was like on TBS, and it was Randy versus
(11:31):
Primo Cologne. Easy match for Randy, right, even though we
all love Primo. He's super nice, he's cool. Easy match,
and Randy still made you think for a second the
Premo had a shot to win that fucking match. And
when I saw I literally go, this dude is the
freaking best wrestler in the world. Because I knew the
finish of this match, and he still made me, for
a second go wait, is he calling an audible? It
(11:54):
was that crazy? So yeah, man, I freaking love I
shouldn't say that because he broke my back. I freaking
love Randy. I think it's awesome that he's doing this.
I don't think he's gonna win the match at Backlash,
but man, it would be cool if he did. Bro
It would be so cool if he did awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I always just asked that because sometimes it's like, you know,
Kevin Hart's kind of are Eddie Murphy now, you know,
or like you kind of like have like two episode
was wondering what Cherry and Cross would be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You answered it. Yeah, It's it's funny those types of
comparisons as like the son of a famous person. Like
I hated being compared to anybody, especially my dad. Right,
So I've always tried to say, no, they're not that,
No they're not this, No they're not that, Like hardcore
Eddie Murphy fans would be like, no, he's Kevin Hart's
not the next Eddie Murphy. There's only one Eddie Murphy, right,
Like there's all these like gatekeeping fans, and then there's
(12:42):
just there's guys like me and I just it's I
don't like comparing art. That's what it is, Jeff, I
don't I get it. If we're racing and you want
to see if you're faster than me, you are, I'm
old and nothing works anymore. So you and I race
and we can determine who's faster. But I don't like
saying this can Median is better than this comedian because
it's art. How can you say that this Picasso is
(13:05):
better than that Moldiani. You can't. You can but that answer,
but I don't respect that. If you do, I can say,
you can say I like it better, but you can't
say it's categorically better. And and so that's why I don't.
I don't like comparison saying like, oh is he Randy
Orton because it's like, nah, man, he's carrying cross, like yeah,
he's got.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The way I think of it is because I'm in
I am a comedian.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Is I like to go? Am I that successful?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yet if I feel that it's me going, oh I'm
now here, Oh good, I've made it to like maybe
that level of so like what do you think when
he's when someone says, man, that guy he's he could
be the next Hogan you're not really saying he's going
to be anything like Hogan, but you could say that
he's at the level of that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's that's totally fair. I did that early in
my career. I did that earlier in my career. And
we did it like based on quotes, right, And it
would be like, how many how much money does your
quote guarantee you per movie? Right? Right? And I shouldn't like, well,
it's my money. I can talk about my money. There
was a girl, a female actress and it was me
(14:11):
in the nineties that were the first ones to get
like a million dollars for a movie. And that was
like when I hit that level, like you're saying, I went,
oh my god, I just did what actress X just did. Sar,
she's done three more movies than I have. I'm gaining
on her. And it was like, you know what I mean.
And it made you work harder because you wanted to
(14:31):
be the one to be the first actor to break
two mill of your generation. There were actors making twelve
million and twenty million a movie in the nineties, trust me,
but this was from our generation, right the nineties. Kids,
we were the first two to hit a mill. We
were the first two to hit two, and then you know,
upwards and beyond that as things went and then as
things didn't go well, you know, you start making less.
(14:53):
That's how that's how it works. And all of a sudden,
you're like, wait, my quote's four, and they're like, nah,
not after that last movie. But now it's one p
five and you're like, oh, all right, okay, I gotta,
I gotta. I hope this one's a home run. Yeah,
So it's it's a tricky business. Your your quote does
not last unless the movies are successful. So yeah, man,
I get what you're saying in that regard of like
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comparing yourself to others, because it means you made it
right like that, this is a level of success. That
was a dream and it became a reality. Or it
was a thousand nightmares that I had and it became
a dream in real life because I was I was
psyching myself out. I was a self sabotager. I would
I would self punish, and that was my way of learning,
(15:35):
like very Ichiro Suzuki, right, like, oh I had a
bad day at the ballpark, I'm gonna hit at twelve
thousand balls and if I don't hit them all in
a row, I'm gonna start over from scratch, Like, what
a horrible way to live. It sucks bad, but that's
how I That's how I was. You know, I would
if I blew an audition, then I would literally rework
the audition that I had no chance to get anymore,
(15:55):
because I blew it until I felt comfortable with it,
and then I could finally fucking move on. And if
I didn't do that, I couldn't. We've gotten way sidetracked
here and we're not even talking wrestling anymore. No, it's okay.
Hopefully you guys are still interested. I think people are
get interested in the entertainment business too, and don't mind
hearing those types of stories. But yeah, we should talk
wrestling somewhere, all right, dude, do you want to talk
(16:16):
Seth Rollins and Paul Hayman or do you want to
talk Gunther attacking Pat McAfee.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Whatever you'd like to jump into. I've got strong opinions
about both.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, then let's do Gunther McAfee first, and let me
hear your opinions on what motivated this and all this
sudden Did you like it or not? And then I'll
tell you how I feel. We'll see if it's the same.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I am curious why they're doing this. I don't understand
where it came from or why it's happening. I'm open
to it, I suppose. But there's the thing. Pat McAfee
is a star. I think this guy is incredible. I
got to meet him briefly, and this has nothing to
(16:59):
do with me meeting him, But when I met him,
I was like, man, I got that, you know what
show business to talk about that? It factor sure like
you can't really put your finger on it, but there's
just something about himhere.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You're like, that guy's got it. I strongly agree with
everything you're saying. He asked that so much.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
He's charming, he's uh, he's professional even while not being professional,
Like he'll do a thing that isn't professional and he
still like it works for some reason. He can do
that like that one that word. Now that being said,
he doesn't need to be in any of the wrestling storylines.
He's a great announcer, he's got a great show. If
he wants to be in the storylines as a wrestler
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or or or involved in a wrestling storyline, then kudos
to him. I love you, buddy, So I'm happy that
if you want this. But we've got so much talent
in the in the in the locker room, and we've
got so many people waiting around for a story or
waiting around for a push, that I just don't know
why we need to bring Pat into this.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That being said, I'm sure it's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm sure Pat's gonna knock it out of the park,
but I think it's a little bit beneath Gunther and
a little bit above Pat when it comes to wrestling.
So I'm very confused, but I'm keeping an open mind.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
So let me tell you why I think they're doing it,
and maybe that'll give you a why if you buy it,
and if you don't, then and maybe they're doing something
different than what I'm saying. When Gunther lost, it was
(18:35):
kind of like, oh shit, what what's gonna happen? Because
it makes him look weak to lose the title. Obviously,
the stronger better man won jay Uso Jay looks great,
Gunther puts puts him over Goonther or Gunther. Either way,
I respect, I respect which whichever one it is, I'll
say Gnther just in case, so gnther loses that match,
(18:58):
which weakens his care. To have him just demand a
rematch would be weird. To have him have to work
his way back up would be weakening the character even more. So,
what could you do with him? Maybe you do something
so out of fucking character that he loses it when
he's getting criticized or even ridiculed by the commentary crew,
(19:20):
and he goes out and he fucking assaults somebody, physically
assaults two different people and fucking loses his shit. And
I'm not saying they're building to a match with McAfee,
but if they did, you know, McAfee's doing the fucking job.
He'll be the first celebrity to ever I wanted to
do a job one time back in the day, but
he'll be the first celebrity to actually get to do
a job and lose instead of them always looking great
(19:43):
and winning the match, which is corny. You should never
beat the wrestler in their environment. They should whip you.
If you were going to do something in the streets,
right like first to build the match up. That's where
you let the celebrity win because it happens on the
sidewalk they were at a restaurant. It happen outside. It's
all staged, right, caught him off guard, caught him off guard.
He was drunk, he had too much to drink. The
heel started the fight, the actor beats him up. But
(20:04):
then once it's in the ring, the wrestler has to win.
And I would hate it when the celebrities would I
wouldn't even be if if they pitched that, I wouldn't
even be a part of those segments. I literally would
tell them, no, I'm not going to be a part
of that. And I think McAfee's going to be the
first one that like gets fucking squashed by a wrestler
and takes it and puts the other guy over, and
(20:25):
then you can have a match for because whoever comes
out to save McAfee at that point, it's going to
be Gunther's next opponent and then Uh and then they
can go off to the races. So that's kind of
my reasoning why I tried to stay open minded to it,
just like you and Uh. And that was the idea
that popped in my head when I was watching it.
But at first I was like, Yo, what the fuck,
what are they doing? Yeah, yeah, and by the way,
(20:45):
with your headphones on, it looks like you're wearing a
batting helmet instead of like a baseball cap. For those
of you who can't see, sorry, you won't be laughing.
If I was.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Allowed to, I would be rocking. If I could have
headphones and a batting now, that would be right up
my own exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right, do we want to talk? All right? We
can talk Seth Rollins. We can talk Zelena Vega winning
the title the same night her man re debuts in Friggin'
SmackDown with Malachai, or we can talk Stratton versus Cargill.
By the way, Jade Cargill posted something on her Instagram
(21:24):
where she was like, yo, the intrusive thoughts got him.
And it was just a shot of her with her
back facing the crowd and everyone in the front row
is just staring at her ass and I was like, yo,
she hit it before anybody else could hit it, Like
that's such a gangster moved. I was like, yo, that's awesome.
That's I already knew anyway. I thought you, and I
(21:46):
thought you and Alex would think this is funny. I
was at a coffee shop and the the woman that.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Was working who was at the register, Like, I was
like flirting with her.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
She looked exactly like Selena Vega, and I was like, really, yeah,
I was like laying it on thick.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
She was. She was so beautiful and I was like
flirting with her and I felt like I was flirting
with like Selena Vegg. And then in my mind I
was like, but she's not really Zelena, but she's just
a girl who looks like Selena.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Did you did you stop flirting when that thought hit you?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Because got in my mind. I'm like, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, you could be with someone who looks exactly
like one of your celebrity crutches. It doesn't matter because
it's not them. It's just it's just a person that
looks like up until that point, was she buying what
you were selling? Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, she was into it? Yeah? And even if she wasn't,
who cares. I like to believe she was really into it.
That's the way to look at it, no matter what.
All right, Well, then let's talk about that for a second.
Because the build up for Chelsea Green winning the title
was really, really cool, and I didn't feel like they
had anything for her once she won it, and I
(22:55):
don't know if that's because she was a heel champion
and it's easier to tell stories with the target on
the back of a babyface champion because heels can come
at them from different directions and babyfaces can only come
at you from one direction, right head on, face to face, respectfully,
and I'll defeat you man to man or woman to woman.
I guess I know why they took it off, but
(23:16):
I don't feel like it's her fault that they took
it off her. She didn't have a story afterwards. It
was more about trying to get her her secret service
people over than about her and the next evolution and
where does Chelsea Green, the Greatest American Hero go from here?
And I really thought they were going to have something
because she had a lot of energy building up to
that in her promos and her segments, driving the general
(23:40):
managers of her respective brand crazy all the time, Like
I liked what she was doing. And then it kind
of just vanished. But I will say this, if it
had to go away, it couldn't have gone away to
a better person. I thinks of Lena Vega soak. She
was kind enough to do our show once and that's
not the only reason I love her. If you watched
that promo she cut backstage right before she went out
(24:03):
to the match, that was the realist she's ever come
off in her whole career. It was the realest promo
you knew. You knew she was gonna win because, like
I said, they hadn't really given Chelsea anything and so
that I think they need to restart that fire and
put it on a baby face so people can come
after her and attack her and then she has to
climb out from under that pile all the time. Please
(24:25):
go back and watch that promo she has backstage. I
think it was with Byron. She's just talking and it
sounded like a UFC interview. It sounded real, like just, oh,
you're asking me a question, let me answer it. Nothing
was written for me. Here's how I feel. And I
think it was written for her, but she just happened
to execute it at a level where I was like, goddamn,
I hope she wins, and then she fucking won. So
(24:46):
shout out to Zelina Vega, big love for you, Puerto
Rican's sister making it big, and congrats to your man
coming back to WWE, Malachi Black and come in and
kicking the shit out of miss Everybody kicks the shit out.
Let me tell you some missus get paid very very
well to take all these beatings. Otherwise I would be pissed.
But those dudes at that level are making good money.
(25:07):
And he makes everybody look great, whether they're actors or
whether it's people making their debut. And just took that
kick right to the to the face and it went
down like a g and Malachi Black looked awesome and
so calm and collected, and it was just cool to
see like a husband and wife together at the same place.
It makes me makes me feel good. Jeff, how did
you feel about Zelena and all? Did you remember that
(25:29):
backstage promo or no? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I agree with all the things you said. I think
Zelena Vegga is a star and we're in the same
kind of we're in the same kind of opinion with.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Her as all the other things. It's like when we're
talking about the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Women's division, there's so much talent, and there's just so
many talents, so much talent not being used in the
locker room that when you know when she's which is
front and center, it's great. And then when she isn't,
I'm upset, and so it's like it's good to see
it back around.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So it's good.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I think Chelsea Green is also amazing, so all the
things they're doing with that I think are are justified.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Her farewell was amazing. Losing the title she just had.
I love it when, like, for like, someone from a
different country has the United States title because it's always ironic.
And her goodbye was the American flag in the background,
and it was like, I'll see you against Yeah, yeah, dude,
she's super funny. It's super cool. All right, you guys,
(26:26):
we got time for one more and then and then
I got a freaking go you guys, I'm out pitching
a horror movie right now. Yeah. Do we want to
talk about the Crazy Street Profits match or do we
want to talk some a Dubbs. I feel like we
haven't talked about a Dubbs in a long time. Well,
they haven't done a lot, Jeff, Like, I know, it's
(26:49):
not our fault. They're doing tournaments. Like what do you
want me to do? Like this isn't to you. I'm
not mad at you, but it's like, what do you
want me to talk about I never wrestled in the ring.
I've taken a bump, a bump to all you guys
like not like that a wrestling bump, and I've never
done bumps of that stuff ever. I'm your boys clean um,
(27:09):
but I've never wrestled. I wasn't an agent, and I'm
not the best booker. I can talk about the wrestlers themselves.
They're promos at a very high level. I think better
than most people. I can break down scenes. I feel
better than most people. But how do I break down
a tournament? I don't know. I can tell you this.
Every Will Ospray match was sick as fuck. Like I mean,
(27:30):
I watch them with my kids and they're like, yo,
who is that. I'm like, Yo, that's Will fucking Awspray.
My daughter was like, that's insane. She's a cheerleader, so
she does the stunts that he does, and these girls
catch her, and she's catching the girls and they get
thrown in the air and do like four twists and
fucking they get caught. It's sick. I'm getting into cheerleading now.
I'm ature dad. By the way, my daughter got her
(27:52):
Jackie yesterday. She's all set and ready to go. It
sounds like a movie er Dad, cheer dad on the
Disney Channel, shitty movie. But yeah, she watches will Osprey
matches and thinks that he's sick and amazing, and she's
seen a couple of his promos and knows that he
can act and perform that way. But I mean, outside
of the Quick Little don kallis in the Quick Little
(28:14):
MJF Like, he hasn't had any long term storytelling. It's
just been like three week hitters, you know what I mean,
And like, let's just get him wrestling. Let's get him wrestling.
Let's get him wrestling, which is cool, thank you. I'll
take those matches. But I just can't say anything other
than the matches are really sick. I want to break
it down for you. I want to break down the
story behind it, but there's just not a story enough
(28:34):
for me to break down that's that's that's behind it,
or at least not stories that I'm clicking with.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
If you'd have told me and Freddie and Alex three
seasons ago that WWE would be so high and aw
would be going through such kind of an average patch
that we wouldn't even be covering aew on an episode.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I would have never believed that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
In fact, I would have seen it maybe the other
way around, Like I can see that maybe we'll do
a whole episode without talking about WWE.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But man, have the tides changed and I don't like that.
I mean, we could talk to MJF for Syndicate if
you want. They've had some hit hit nights and some misnights.
For me, it's hard to see MJF want to be
in a click. I haven't. I haven't seen that out
of him before. He's committed to it. But as a fan,
(29:27):
I like him being isolated. I like him being a
lone wolf. Yeah, I like that a lot. I'm not
saying it's not working. I'm just not like I'm just
not clicking with it. Like there's certain weeks where MVP
cuts promos and I'm like, god, damn, that was cold
as ice, Like that was like so you'd never be
able to say that in WWE, and I'm so glad
(29:48):
he can say it in a Dubs right. And Max
on the mic is Max like he's a ten no
matter the storyline, Like he's always gonna cut something great
and he's always going to be committed. I like when
they punked him and stole his car. You didn't like that.
I thought that was funny because Boby can't just steal
a car keep borrowing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I showed you the keys, like, uh, he's borrows, give me,
give me a thumbs up, and the car is yours.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And the guy's like no, and broke the deal. You know,
but he's a big guy. If you're a big guy,
you can break whatever deal you want. That's true.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So here's my thing on that. It's it's like, why
are we doing it? I agree, like MGF is a
loan lone wolf. I like him and his like, I
don't give an f. I'm the guy like you guys
all you should be thanking me. It works perfect for
being a bad guy. He rules on the mic, and
so all I can think is like, well, maybe they
need him to help put over some of the other people.
(30:45):
Maybe maybe it's the time that he starts making a
e W big or as as successful as a compedie
instead of just being you know, building the m j
F reputation story. But then why put him with third
because they're gonna be fine, Like, like MVP is so
stinking good.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's the best point. That's the best point, Jeff, neither
side needs the other. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And also, like like I said, to make him groveling
trying to get into this group feels weird. It feels
very unnecessary. We've got MJF is great. Those three guys
are great. If you're going to use a person that
can help other people who are as talented as a
Paul Hayman or MJF, then pair them wisely. And I
(31:35):
don't feel like this is a smart story, even though
those guys are all talented enough to pull off this story.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, it's weird. I really like and respect everyone in
the story. I just don't love the story. And and
so that's I think you said it best. Like they
just they're both over. They don't need to get each
other more over, like everyone, Shelton's getting Shelton, Benjamin's thank you,
Shelton's Shelton you fucking rule Chance right almost every week,
(32:04):
and he's the least known in the Hurt Syndicate. Bobby's
getting what Bobby gets. MVP is getting to say whatever
he wants. When Big Bill and the Bounty Hunter tried
to talk that shit on the promo, I mean he
cut them in half before the match even happened, Like
he literally took the sword and verbally cut them in half,
(32:26):
and I was just like, oh my god, I saw
a murder, like a verbal murder in the ring, and
so I don't I would rather see that kind of
stuff in a long term form than see him with Max,
Like Max could be going after Swerve right now. He
made a promise when he came back that he was
that he had his eye on what everyone else was doing,
and everybody else who was trying to be the top
(32:46):
of the company he was going to make sure they didn't.
So there were stories laid out there that I feel
he could have played with instead of this. But I
will say this, they have had a couple of weeks
where I was like, all right, that was pretty funny.
I liked that. I didn't like seeing all the chicks
come down because my son and my daughter were in
the room and they're like, what's this And I was like,
this is more old school wrestling when the Godfather would
come out. But yeah, so anyway, there's some aew love.
(33:10):
We thank you guys for tuning in. Jeff, tell the
people where you're going to be at this weekend because
it's not Arizona.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Won't be Arizona. I'll be all over the place. I'm
going to be all week in Los Angeles at the
Comedy Store, and then I go to Port Charlotte, Florida.
All sorts of different cities coming up, Nashville, Miami. Go
to jeffi dot com to check out those dates.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Jeffdied dot com. Check it out, check us out each
and every week. Thank you so much for being a
part of the show. Y'all. We appreciate you, We love you.
If you like the episodes, give us some awesome reviews.
If you hate the episodes, you could tell us, you
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But I might even read it on the air, so
you might want to make up some hate even if
you don't, just to hear a shout out. Just yeah,
(33:55):
he'll cut a promo on your asses. I don't mind it,
but anyway, thanks for tuning in. Behalf of Jeff Die.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, what's up? Boys? Oh my god, you put your
fingers up and confetti fell down, and that was amazing.
You just celebrated yourself. That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I thought time we got some special effects on this podcast,
so you know that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, we got to step up this. We're stepping up
the podcast. You guys, you got your Arizona Diamondbacks hat
on as as a Dodgers fan, that's like upsetting. But
you love baseball all over the world, Jeff, Yeah, and
I'm live from Arizona, so I felt like i'd rock
league gear. That's true, that's true. All right, we got
a lot to go through in the world of wrestling
(01:12):
this week. And it's two thousand and seven all over again.
And that's right around the time that I was working
at the WWE and John Cena was there's a bird
singing by the way behind you, and I can hear it,
and it's beautiful. John Cena was the goodest of guys,
the greatest of guys. He didn't like me, but he
was the goodest of guys, the greatest of guys, and
(01:36):
if you were a kid, you freaking loved him. And
he was the world Champion of WWE during like the
PG era, which was a big burden to carry because
you didn't get to say all the cool stuff like
DX did. You didn't get to be in the last
hour of Monday Night Raw when the ratings could be
a little racier or the rating could be a little
(01:58):
racier and they could float to PG third team. That's
when Hunter would cut his promos, but John Cena had
to cut him first hour and it was a real
thankless job man. The crowd hated him. They would they
would chant if or hould signs that said if Sina wins,
we riot you dork's never rioted cowards, and they would scream,
(02:18):
you can't wrestle, you can't wrestle like they would shit
all over him if they were of a certain age, right,
and they didn't want that kind of wrestling. They hated
PG wrestling, You hated it with all your heart and
all your soul. And you love Randy Orton because he
would come out and destroy John Cena, and the belt
would go back and forth between them there for a
(02:40):
few years. John had it more, but Randy was the
only one that could really take it off John. And
then the only one that could take it off Randy
was John, and they would go back and forth. Well,
now it's twenty twenty five and the roles are completely reversed,
and the humble, kind hearted veteran is that scumbag Randy
(03:01):
Orton who broke my fucking back on Monday night. Raw
y'all for think I forgot about that? Hell No, And
the heel the man who would break my back now
is John Cena, who's a dick. And everybody hates it now,
although we love it because he finally went heel, But
everybody hates you, son of a bitch, Boom and they
boot him, and he thinks it's a dysfunctional relationship. That's
(03:24):
his motivation for this whole heel turn. And the whole
world has reversed and everybody's finally gotten what they wanted,
right right, I hope So, Jeff, is this what you've
wanted to see and now you're finally getting it? Are
you happy with the heel turn? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I mean the heel turn I'm not crazy about. But
what are we living in the upside down? Are we
living in some sort of bizarro universe where in real
life Randy Orton and Freddy Prince Junior are cool and
John Cena was a little grumpy to you and a
little prick towards you being in the w B. But
(04:02):
in kfab back then you love John Cena and you
hated Randy Jordon. But now in the real world, Randy
Orton's cool and John Cena is the bad guy, and
now your k fabe is all matched with your real
Freddie thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
It's very, very, very weird. Yeah, I'm confused. I'm confused
on how I feel about everything, Jeff. Yeah, it's very strange.
I love Rand Jordon in real life, and I like
John Cena. I don't really know him, but I'm a
I've been a fan forevery I always liked John. John
just didn't like me. I got it. I got he
didn't want Hollywood in the wrestling business. But I always
(04:36):
liked him in respected the sacrifice he had to make
and be in the PG champ for all those years.
I think he's even though he's highly heralded, I still
think he's he's underrated for what he did and what
he gave to the business, what he did for Make
a Wish Kids that was going on when I was there,
Like John was never available because he was always granting
(04:56):
wishes to Make a Wish Kids. And that's fucking awesome.
So I always liked him. He just didn't like Hollywood,
and now he does. So everything's flipped upside out. Even
his philosophy on actual probably liked me, now you probably
likes well.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I will say that that that's what we What I
like about him is that it's hard to be the
good guy, whether you like d X or sorry d
X saying suck it and stone cold get into clash beers.
That's fun, but that's also that's like it's it's a trick,
you know, It's like, yeah, dude, I kind of got
these kind of gimmicky kind of thing whereas it's hard
(05:31):
to be the good guy.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
We're doing the.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Right thing and and and so John Cena doing that
for so long was very admirable.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And it's a very hard road to be the good guy.
You don't get to be the cool Darth Vader. You
got to be Luke Skywalker. And so that's that's actually
what I what I was gonna say, was like from
one group of dorks to another group of dorks. You
can compare it to stars, Like everybody wanted to be
Hans Solo because Han Solo was cool as fuck and
said heal shit but got away with it as a babyface.
(05:59):
Luke Skywalker was corny as hell, like if you were grown.
My mom thought he was a dork. Like she didn't
think that movie cool. She liked Harrison Ford because he
was a man. And that's what like DX and stone Cold.
Stone Cold more than DXDX was more like Adoles and children.
Stone Cold was a man's man, and he drank beer
and he'd fight you and kick you in the gut
and stunner you. And John didn't get to do any
(06:20):
of that. Man. John had to work hard. John had
to take his vitamins, believe in God, all that all
that stuff. Man believe in himself, help you believe in yourself.
It was all the responsibility with none of the fun.
And he never got the credit for that. I still
don't think he gets the credit for that. Now. They
just love that he's finally turned heel. We tried to
turn him heel when I worked there, you guys, I
(06:40):
probably every writer on the writing team was like, Hey,
here's what idea to pitch de Vince to turn John Hill.
And Vince's just like, Yo, shut the fuck up. It's
not he's selling merch to He's a good guy. He's
never gonna be a bad guy, and and so he never.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
More good guys because I think it is to be
a bad guy. It's more fun to be a bad guy.
It's easier to be a bad guy. It's easier to
write for a bad guy. I'm assuming is that true.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, you get to just talk shit. That's fun.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So we need good guys, and it's admirably good guy
and I think it's harder to be a good guy.
So that's why I was a little disappointed with the
heel turn, because I would have loved to have seen
just a John seen it who was good all the
way through.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Really, you would want to see him maintain it. Wow,
I want you gotta be the only one. You got
to be the only one because everybody wanted which is cool,
but everybody wanted that dude to turn for so long.
I mean I feel like even Hunter pitched an idea
when I worked there on how to turn him here,
and it was just like everything was just like throwing
rocks against a steel wall, like just nothing was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, I just feel like in my mind, it's like,
well that that's the hardest thing to be, So why
end with being like the easy kind of heel turn things.
But all that to be said, I we got to
give a shout out to Randy Orton. This sky went
from being not even having a match at wrestleming it.
It was just this Ko Ko Randy Orton match where
(08:10):
you know, unfortunately injuries happen and you know Ko needs
this next surgery ACEP.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So now he has.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Now now Andy's going into his twentieth wrestlemedia going, I
don't even know who I'm going.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
To wrestle, and now he's probably the most the hottest
storyline in wrestling. Yeah he could be, you could argue that. Media. Yeah,
he he went from not having a match to Joe
Hendry squash match to this r KAO out of nowhere,
Oh my god, and everybody went, oh shit, they're gonna
(08:41):
do it again. And this was a match that in
nine everyone was tired of because they had done it
like five times and we haven't seen it in forever,
and now all of a sudden, like you said, it's
like the hottest storyline every amazing and can he win? Like,
can they do the back and forth thing? I don't
think so, because I think it's seen his last run,
(09:01):
so he'll keep it until the guy who's gonna have
it for a while beats him. But I always pitch
this on the show, is like, have a title go
back and forth between two guys who better than the
last two guys that went back and forth between That
was the last time it happened in WWE, so it
could bounce back and forth and then finally Cody comes
back and is like, fuck this triple threat, Fuck you guys,
and then he can get his title back and be
(09:22):
CHAMPI again. Hopefully they have some other people that they
can push that they can sort of, you know, look
at in the same category as their big money wrestlers,
and they can bring someone like a carry and Cross
and give them a genuine like a push or switch
gnther over to SmackDown and have him be a guy
that goes after. We'll get into Gunther's storyline here in
(09:43):
a second, but hopefully they have somebody planned the way
political parties should have politicians prepped and ready for when
it's their turn to run for president. Neither do that
as well as i'd like, Yeah, wrestling or politics. Yeah,
in all.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Things, I know, you know, carry and Cross, yes, failures.
Would you say that he's most similar and not like
character wise or anything, but like he's a Randy Orton
esque guy? Or who in the business do you think
carrying Cross kind of is following in the path of
(10:23):
Or I don't see him following in a path.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I mean, I guess everybody's following a path to some degree,
but I'm just too dense to see it. You know.
For me, it's always like if person X and person
Y had a baby, it would be this person that's
more how my brain works. So it would be like
if Randy Orton and Bray Wyatt were smashed together, then
all the like that you would get a Carryon Cross
Because he wants to do darker, more theatrical type promos
(10:49):
like with the black and white and his ability to
communicate in the ring. He likes it to be a
little more old school, right, like, not in a campy way,
like a in a dark like horror movie kind of way,
the same way Brady and then his body in the
way he works is much more like like Randy. Although
(11:09):
Randy for a long time was the best wrestler in
the world and I don't think Krrian's gotten to carry
that monocer yet because he hasn't had the opportunity to,
uh to have you know, those types of world class
matches the way Randy was having him with John back
in the day. Randy was the kind of guy I
remember watching a random episode of like the Saturday Day Show.
It was like on TBS, and it was Randy versus
(11:31):
Primo Cologne. Easy match for Randy, right, even though we
all love Primo. He's super nice, he's cool. Easy match,
and Randy still made you think for a second the
Premo had a shot to win that fucking match. And
when I saw I literally go, this dude is the
freaking best wrestler in the world. Because I knew the
finish of this match, and he still made me, for
a second go wait, is he calling an audible? It
(11:54):
was that crazy? So yeah, man, I freaking love I
shouldn't say that because he broke my back. I freaking
love Randy. I think it's awesome that he's doing this.
I don't think he's gonna win the match at Backlash,
but man, it would be cool if he did. Bro
It would be so cool if he did awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I always just asked that because sometimes it's like, you know,
Kevin Hart's kind of are Eddie Murphy now, you know,
or like you kind of like have like two episode
was wondering what Cherry and Cross would be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You answered it. Yeah, It's it's funny those types of
comparisons as like the son of a famous person. Like
I hated being compared to anybody, especially my dad. Right,
So I've always tried to say, no, they're not that,
No they're not this, No they're not that, Like hardcore
Eddie Murphy fans would be like, no, he's Kevin Hart's
not the next Eddie Murphy. There's only one Eddie Murphy, right,
Like there's all these like gatekeeping fans, and then there's
(12:42):
just there's guys like me and I just it's I
don't like comparing art. That's what it is, Jeff, I
don't I get it. If we're racing and you want
to see if you're faster than me, you are, I'm
old and nothing works anymore. So you and I race
and we can determine who's faster. But I don't like
saying this can Median is better than this comedian because
it's art. How can you say that this Picasso is
(13:05):
better than that Moldiani. You can't. You can but that answer,
but I don't respect that. If you do, I can say,
you can say I like it better, but you can't
say it's categorically better. And and so that's why I don't.
I don't like comparison saying like, oh is he Randy
Orton because it's like, nah, man, he's carrying cross, like yeah,
he's got.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The way I think of it is because I'm in
I am a comedian.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Is I like to go? Am I that successful?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yet if I feel that it's me going, oh I'm
now here, Oh good, I've made it to like maybe
that level of so like what do you think when
he's when someone says, man, that guy he's he could
be the next Hogan you're not really saying he's going
to be anything like Hogan, but you could say that
he's at the level of that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that's that's totally fair. I did that early in
my career. I did that earlier in my career. And
we did it like based on quotes, right, And it
would be like, how many how much money does your
quote guarantee you per movie? Right? Right? And I shouldn't like, well,
it's my money. I can talk about my money. There
was a girl, a female actress and it was me
(14:11):
in the nineties that were the first ones to get
like a million dollars for a movie. And that was
like when I hit that level, like you're saying, I went,
oh my god, I just did what actress X just did. Sar,
she's done three more movies than I have. I'm gaining
on her. And it was like, you know what I mean.
And it made you work harder because you wanted to
(14:31):
be the one to be the first actor to break
two mill of your generation. There were actors making twelve
million and twenty million a movie in the nineties, trust me,
but this was from our generation, right the nineties. Kids,
we were the first two to hit a mill. We
were the first two to hit two, and then you know,
upwards and beyond that as things went and then as
things didn't go well, you know, you start making less.
(14:53):
That's how that's how it works. And all of a sudden,
you're like, wait, my quote's four, and they're like, nah,
not after that last movie. But now it's one p
five and you're like, oh, all right, okay, I gotta,
I gotta. I hope this one's a home run. Yeah,
So it's it's a tricky business. Your your quote does
not last unless the movies are successful. So yeah, man,
I get what you're saying in that regard of like
(15:14):
comparing yourself to others, because it means you made it
right like that, this is a level of success. That
was a dream and it became a reality. Or it
was a thousand nightmares that I had and it became
a dream in real life because I was I was
psyching myself out. I was a self sabotager. I would
I would self punish, and that was my way of learning,
(15:35):
like very Ichiro Suzuki, right, like, oh I had a
bad day at the ballpark, I'm gonna hit at twelve
thousand balls and if I don't hit them all in
a row, I'm gonna start over from scratch, Like, what
a horrible way to live. It sucks bad, but that's
how I That's how I was. You know, I would
if I blew an audition, then I would literally rework
the audition that I had no chance to get anymore,
(15:55):
because I blew it until I felt comfortable with it,
and then I could finally fucking move on. And if
I didn't do that, I couldn't. We've gotten way sidetracked
here and we're not even talking wrestling anymore. No, it's okay.
Hopefully you guys are still interested. I think people are
get interested in the entertainment business too, and don't mind
hearing those types of stories. But yeah, we should talk
wrestling somewhere, all right, dude, do you want to talk
(16:16):
Seth Rollins and Paul Hayman or do you want to
talk Gunther attacking Pat McAfee.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Whatever you'd like to jump into. I've got strong opinions
about both.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, then let's do Gunther McAfee first, and let me
hear your opinions on what motivated this and all this
sudden Did you like it or not? And then I'll
tell you how I feel. We'll see if it's the same.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I am curious why they're doing this. I don't understand
where it came from or why it's happening. I'm open
to it, I suppose. But there's the thing. Pat McAfee
is a star. I think this guy is incredible. I
got to meet him briefly, and this has nothing to
(16:59):
do with me meeting him, But when I met him,
I was like, man, I got that, you know what
show business to talk about that? It factor sure like
you can't really put your finger on it, but there's
just something about himhere.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
You're like, that guy's got it. I strongly agree with
everything you're saying. He asked that so much.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
He's charming, he's uh, he's professional even while not being professional,
Like he'll do a thing that isn't professional and he
still like it works for some reason. He can do
that like that one that word. Now that being said,
he doesn't need to be in any of the wrestling storylines.
He's a great announcer, he's got a great show. If
he wants to be in the storylines as a wrestler
(17:38):
or or or involved in a wrestling storyline, then kudos
to him. I love you, buddy, So I'm happy that
if you want this. But we've got so much talent
in the in the in the locker room, and we've
got so many people waiting around for a story or
waiting around for a push, that I just don't know
why we need to bring Pat into this.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That being said, I'm sure it's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm sure Pat's gonna knock it out of the park,
but I think it's a little bit beneath Gunther and
a little bit above Pat when it comes to wrestling.
So I'm very confused, but I'm keeping an open mind.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
So let me tell you why I think they're doing it,
and maybe that'll give you a why if you buy it,
and if you don't, then and maybe they're doing something
different than what I'm saying. When Gunther lost, it was
(18:35):
kind of like, oh shit, what what's gonna happen? Because
it makes him look weak to lose the title. Obviously,
the stronger better man won jay Uso Jay looks great,
Gunther puts puts him over Goonther or Gunther. Either way,
I respect, I respect which whichever one it is, I'll
say Gnther just in case, so gnther loses that match,
(18:58):
which weakens his care. To have him just demand a
rematch would be weird. To have him have to work
his way back up would be weakening the character even more. So,
what could you do with him? Maybe you do something
so out of fucking character that he loses it when
he's getting criticized or even ridiculed by the commentary crew,
(19:20):
and he goes out and he fucking assaults somebody, physically
assaults two different people and fucking loses his shit. And
I'm not saying they're building to a match with McAfee,
but if they did, you know, McAfee's doing the fucking job.
He'll be the first celebrity to ever I wanted to
do a job one time back in the day, but
he'll be the first celebrity to actually get to do
a job and lose instead of them always looking great
(19:43):
and winning the match, which is corny. You should never
beat the wrestler in their environment. They should whip you.
If you were going to do something in the streets,
right like first to build the match up. That's where
you let the celebrity win because it happens on the
sidewalk they were at a restaurant. It happen outside. It's
all staged, right, caught him off guard, caught him off guard.
He was drunk, he had too much to drink. The
heel started the fight, the actor beats him up. But
(20:04):
then once it's in the ring, the wrestler has to win.
And I would hate it when the celebrities would I
wouldn't even be if if they pitched that, I wouldn't
even be a part of those segments. I literally would
tell them, no, I'm not going to be a part
of that. And I think McAfee's going to be the
first one that like gets fucking squashed by a wrestler
and takes it and puts the other guy over, and
(20:25):
then you can have a match for because whoever comes
out to save McAfee at that point, it's going to
be Gunther's next opponent and then Uh and then they
can go off to the races. So that's kind of
my reasoning why I tried to stay open minded to it,
just like you and Uh. And that was the idea
that popped in my head when I was watching it.
But at first I was like, Yo, what the fuck,
what are they doing? Yeah, yeah, and by the way,
(20:45):
with your headphones on, it looks like you're wearing a
batting helmet instead of like a baseball cap. For those
of you who can't see, sorry, you won't be laughing.
If I was.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Allowed to, I would be rocking. If I could have
headphones and a batting now, that would be right up
my own exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
All right, do we want to talk? All right? We
can talk Seth Rollins. We can talk Zelena Vega winning
the title the same night her man re debuts in Friggin'
SmackDown with Malachai, or we can talk Stratton versus Cargill.
By the way, Jade Cargill posted something on her Instagram
(21:24):
where she was like, yo, the intrusive thoughts got him.
And it was just a shot of her with her
back facing the crowd and everyone in the front row
is just staring at her ass and I was like, yo,
she hit it before anybody else could hit it, Like
that's such a gangster moved. I was like, yo, that's awesome.
That's I already knew anyway. I thought you, and I
(21:46):
thought you and Alex would think this is funny. I
was at a coffee shop and the the woman that.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Was working who was at the register, Like, I was
like flirting with her.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
She looked exactly like Selena Vega, and I was like, really, yeah,
I was like laying it on thick.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
She was. She was so beautiful and I was like
flirting with her and I felt like I was flirting
with like Selena Vegg. And then in my mind I
was like, but she's not really Zelena, but she's just
a girl who looks like Selena.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Did you did you stop flirting when that thought hit you?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Because got in my mind. I'm like, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You know, you could be with someone who looks exactly
like one of your celebrity crutches. It doesn't matter because
it's not them. It's just it's just a person that
looks like up until that point, was she buying what
you were selling? Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, she was into it? Yeah? And even if she wasn't,
who cares. I like to believe she was really into it.
That's the way to look at it, no matter what.
All right, Well, then let's talk about that for a second.
Because the build up for Chelsea Green winning the title
was really, really cool, and I didn't feel like they
had anything for her once she won it, and I
(22:55):
don't know if that's because she was a heel champion
and it's easier to tell stories with the target on
the back of a babyface champion because heels can come
at them from different directions and babyfaces can only come
at you from one direction, right head on, face to face, respectfully,
and I'll defeat you man to man or woman to woman.
I guess I know why they took it off, but
(23:16):
I don't feel like it's her fault that they took
it off her. She didn't have a story afterwards. It
was more about trying to get her her secret service
people over than about her and the next evolution and
where does Chelsea Green, the Greatest American Hero go from here?
And I really thought they were going to have something
because she had a lot of energy building up to
that in her promos and her segments, driving the general
(23:40):
managers of her respective brand crazy all the time, Like
I liked what she was doing. And then it kind
of just vanished. But I will say this, if it
had to go away, it couldn't have gone away to
a better person. I thinks of Lena Vega soak. She
was kind enough to do our show once and that's
not the only reason I love her. If you watched
that promo she cut backstage right before she went out
(24:03):
to the match, that was the realist she's ever come
off in her whole career. It was the realest promo
you knew. You knew she was gonna win because, like
I said, they hadn't really given Chelsea anything and so
that I think they need to restart that fire and
put it on a baby face so people can come
after her and attack her and then she has to
climb out from under that pile all the time. Please
(24:25):
go back and watch that promo she has backstage. I
think it was with Byron. She's just talking and it
sounded like a UFC interview. It sounded real, like just, oh,
you're asking me a question, let me answer it. Nothing
was written for me. Here's how I feel. And I
think it was written for her, but she just happened
to execute it at a level where I was like, goddamn,
I hope she wins, and then she fucking won. So
(24:46):
shout out to Zelina Vega, big love for you, Puerto
Rican's sister making it big, and congrats to your man
coming back to WWE, Malachi Black and come in and
kicking the shit out of miss Everybody kicks the shit out.
Let me tell you some missus get paid very very
well to take all these beatings. Otherwise I would be pissed.
But those dudes at that level are making good money.
(25:07):
And he makes everybody look great, whether they're actors or
whether it's people making their debut. And just took that
kick right to the to the face and it went
down like a g and Malachi Black looked awesome and
so calm and collected, and it was just cool to
see like a husband and wife together at the same place.
It makes me makes me feel good. Jeff, how did
you feel about Zelena and all? Did you remember that
(25:29):
backstage promo or no? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I agree with all the things you said. I think
Zelena Vegga is a star and we're in the same
kind of we're in the same kind of opinion with.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Her as all the other things. It's like when we're
talking about the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Women's division, there's so much talent, and there's just so
many talents, so much talent not being used in the
locker room that when you know when she's which is
front and center, it's great. And then when she isn't,
I'm upset, and so it's like it's good to see
it back around.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So it's good.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I think Chelsea Green is also amazing, so all the
things they're doing with that I think are are justified.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Her farewell was amazing. Losing the title she just had.
I love it when, like, for like, someone from a
different country has the United States title because it's always ironic.
And her goodbye was the American flag in the background,
and it was like, I'll see you against Yeah, yeah, dude,
she's super funny. It's super cool. All right, you guys,
(26:26):
we got time for one more and then and then
I got a freaking go you guys, I'm out pitching
a horror movie right now. Yeah. Do we want to
talk about the Crazy Street Profits match or do we
want to talk some a Dubbs. I feel like we
haven't talked about a Dubbs in a long time. Well,
they haven't done a lot, Jeff, Like, I know, it's
(26:49):
not our fault. They're doing tournaments. Like what do you
want me to do? Like this isn't to you. I'm
not mad at you, but it's like, what do you
want me to talk about I never wrestled in the ring.
I've taken a bump, a bump to all you guys
like not like that a wrestling bump, and I've never
done bumps of that stuff ever. I'm your boys clean um,
(27:09):
but I've never wrestled. I wasn't an agent, and I'm
not the best booker. I can talk about the wrestlers themselves.
They're promos at a very high level. I think better
than most people. I can break down scenes. I feel
better than most people. But how do I break down
a tournament? I don't know. I can tell you this.
Every Will Ospray match was sick as fuck. Like I mean,
(27:30):
I watch them with my kids and they're like, yo,
who is that. I'm like, Yo, that's Will fucking Awspray.
My daughter was like, that's insane. She's a cheerleader, so
she does the stunts that he does, and these girls
catch her, and she's catching the girls and they get
thrown in the air and do like four twists and
fucking they get caught. It's sick. I'm getting into cheerleading now.
I'm ature dad. By the way, my daughter got her
(27:52):
Jackie yesterday. She's all set and ready to go. It
sounds like a movie er Dad, cheer dad on the
Disney Channel, shitty movie. But yeah, she watches will Osprey
matches and thinks that he's sick and amazing, and she's
seen a couple of his promos and knows that he
can act and perform that way. But I mean, outside
of the Quick Little don kallis in the Quick Little
(28:14):
MJF Like, he hasn't had any long term storytelling. It's
just been like three week hitters, you know what I mean,
And like, let's just get him wrestling. Let's get him wrestling.
Let's get him wrestling, which is cool, thank you. I'll
take those matches. But I just can't say anything other
than the matches are really sick. I want to break
it down for you. I want to break down the
story behind it, but there's just not a story enough
(28:34):
for me to break down that's that's that's behind it,
or at least not stories that I'm clicking with.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
If you'd have told me and Freddie and Alex three
seasons ago that WWE would be so high and aw
would be going through such kind of an average patch
that we wouldn't even be covering aew on an episode.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I would have never believed that.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
In fact, I would have seen it maybe the other
way around, Like I can see that maybe we'll do
a whole episode without talking about WWE.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But man, have the tides changed and I don't like that.
I mean, we could talk to MJF for Syndicate if
you want. They've had some hit hit nights and some misnights.
For me, it's hard to see MJF want to be
in a click. I haven't. I haven't seen that out
of him before. He's committed to it. But as a fan,
(29:27):
I like him being isolated. I like him being a
lone wolf. Yeah, I like that a lot. I'm not
saying it's not working. I'm just not like I'm just
not clicking with it. Like there's certain weeks where MVP
cuts promos and I'm like, god, damn, that was cold
as ice, Like that was like so you'd never be
able to say that in WWE, and I'm so glad
(29:48):
he can say it in a Dubs right. And Max
on the mic is Max like he's a ten no
matter the storyline, Like he's always gonna cut something great
and he's always going to be committed. I like when
they punked him and stole his car. You didn't like that.
I thought that was funny because Boby can't just steal
a car keep borrowing.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I showed you the keys, like, uh, he's borrows, give me,
give me a thumbs up, and the car is yours.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And the guy's like no, and broke the deal. You know,
but he's a big guy. If you're a big guy,
you can break whatever deal you want. That's true.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So here's my thing on that. It's it's like, why
are we doing it? I agree, like MGF is a
loan lone wolf. I like him and his like, I
don't give an f. I'm the guy like you guys
all you should be thanking me. It works perfect for
being a bad guy. He rules on the mic, and
so all I can think is like, well, maybe they
need him to help put over some of the other people.
(30:45):
Maybe maybe it's the time that he starts making a
e W big or as as successful as a compedie
instead of just being you know, building the m j
F reputation story. But then why put him with third
because they're gonna be fine, Like, like MVP is so
stinking good.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That's the best point. That's the best point, Jeff, neither
side needs the other. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And also, like like I said, to make him groveling
trying to get into this group feels weird. It feels
very unnecessary. We've got MJF is great. Those three guys
are great. If you're going to use a person that
can help other people who are as talented as a
Paul Hayman or MJF, then pair them wisely. And I
(31:35):
don't feel like this is a smart story, even though
those guys are all talented enough to pull off this story.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, it's weird. I really like and respect everyone in
the story. I just don't love the story. And and
so that's I think you said it best. Like they
just they're both over. They don't need to get each
other more over, like everyone, Shelton's getting Shelton, Benjamin's thank you,
Shelton's Shelton you fucking rule Chance right almost every week,
(32:04):
and he's the least known in the Hurt Syndicate. Bobby's
getting what Bobby gets. MVP is getting to say whatever
he wants. When Big Bill and the Bounty Hunter tried
to talk that shit on the promo, I mean he
cut them in half before the match even happened, Like
he literally took the sword and verbally cut them in half,
(32:26):
and I was just like, oh my god, I saw
a murder, like a verbal murder in the ring, and
so I don't I would rather see that kind of
stuff in a long term form than see him with Max,
Like Max could be going after Swerve right now. He
made a promise when he came back that he was
that he had his eye on what everyone else was doing,
and everybody else who was trying to be the top
(32:46):
of the company he was going to make sure they didn't.
So there were stories laid out there that I feel
he could have played with instead of this. But I
will say this, they have had a couple of weeks
where I was like, all right, that was pretty funny.
I liked that. I didn't like seeing all the chicks
come down because my son and my daughter were in
the room and they're like, what's this And I was like,
this is more old school wrestling when the Godfather would
come out. But yeah, so anyway, there's some aew love.
(33:10):
We thank you guys for tuning in. Jeff, tell the
people where you're going to be at this weekend because
it's not Arizona.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Won't be Arizona. I'll be all over the place. I'm
going to be all week in Los Angeles at the
Comedy Store, and then I go to Port Charlotte, Florida.
All sorts of different cities coming up, Nashville, Miami. Go
to jeffi dot com to check out those dates.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Jeffdied dot com. Check it out, check us out each
and every week. Thank you so much for being a
part of the show. Y'all. We appreciate you, We love you.
If you like the episodes, give us some awesome reviews.
If you hate the episodes, you could tell us, you
could tell us. And if it's Jeff gets mad at you.
But I might even read it on the air, so
you might want to make up some hate even if
you don't, just to hear a shout out. Just yeah,
(33:55):
he'll cut a promo on your asses. I don't mind it,
but anyway, thanks for tuning in. Behalf of Jeff Die.
I'm Freddy Prince Junior. This was wrestling with Freddy Poo
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