July 31, 2025 • 11 mins
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays, on Wrestling with Freddie! Unfortunately, Jeff Dye is not here, but we’ve got a fun show for you. Today, we dive deep into some of the most iconic heel turns in wrestling history, and for a twist, we end with a surprising heel turn from 'I Know What You Did Last Summer.' Don't forget to leave your comments and reviews.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, Are you ready, I'm about to hit
the fan. Welcome to unsanctioned Thursday's honestling with ready?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, you guys, welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays. No Jeff Die,
You're stuck with me and I have a fun show
plan for you. This show's title is called the Heel Turn,
not Heels. That show already exists. This is the heel Turn.
You have to say it with that kind of a
voice when you repeat it right. You can't just go
on the heel turn that. You can't if that's how
you sound. I don't know how you sound. My voice
(00:41):
kind of sucks too, So if you sound like that,
I'm sorry. I feel your pain. But thanks for listening,
Thanks for tuning in. A lot of allergies going on
for me as I get older. That kind of sucks.
I'm almost fifty. It's never allergic to anything, and now
apparently I'm allergic to everything in my neighborhood, so that's
a lot of fun. I've been told to eat local honey.
(01:03):
I don't know why. I guess because they make the
bees are getting it from local flowers. But it's not
like I'm getting honey from the flowers in this neighborhood,
Like I can only get it from wherever the farmer's
farm their honey from. So I don't know if that's
bullshit or not. Anyway, let's get this show started. We're
gonna start with the mother of them all. We lost
Halcogan and that was the biggest heel turn ever, So
(01:26):
we're gonna start with that one, Hollywood Hogan. The nWo earthquake.
It was the biggest heel turn ever, right, yeah, biggest
heel turn ever. It shook up the entire business and
made people watch WCW. It helped WCW in the ratings
take over and start winning in the ratings. It took
(01:47):
place at Bash at the Beach in nineteen ninety six.
I was twenty years old and was it took a
break from wrestling at that time, so I missed the
seal turn. It was my friends that were all like, oh,
do you should watch resin all Cocain's and asshole now,
So he made the try. I was never a Hogan guy.
I know I shouldn't. I'm not trying to speak ill.
(02:07):
My mom told me to eat my vitamins and say
my prayers. Man like, I didn't need to hear that
from the guys that I'm wanted to watch fight. I
wanted them to say tough guy shit like the heels would.
So I always rooted for the bad guys. I probably
would have liked him more as Hollywood Hogan, but he
had been the red and yellow superhero for over a decade.
The fans were kind of getting over that. See how's
(02:28):
ahead of the curve on that too? And the colored
hair I was doing in the nineties. All you guys
just started doing it in the last three years, you
scrubs man. Whatever. Anyway, he started trashing the fans, the fans,
same fans that were booing him because they were starting
to like the Stone Colds, Steve Austin's and the middle
Finger guys and all that. They were done with Flintstones
vitamins and they got their vitamins from beer, damn it.
(02:51):
And so he called the fans trash shit all over him,
made them hate him, and the rest was history. Man,
it changed his entire career. It gave him an an
extra like ten years probably more. Whatever it was, it
was awesome. It worked out perfectly, and the crowd reacted perfectly.
And it's all about the crowds on these turns, babyface
(03:11):
or heel. If if they don't care they got, they're
gonna let you know with silence and you it is deafening.
The next one, Brett the Hitman, heard from the hero
to a bitter bitter man. This is like the weirdest
he'll turn ever because he wasn't wrong about like what
(03:37):
he was saying, like doing the Playgirl magazine and all
that stuff. And then the curson like that wasn't babyface behavior,
that was hell behavior, and it was like it's like
rooting for Han Solo in Star Wars over Luke Skywalker, right,
Like Luke Skywalker's the babyface. Han Solo's the badass babyface.
(03:58):
He's stone cold Steve Boston. He doesn't care about the rules.
He'll do what's bright as long as it doesn't annoy
him too much. And that's an easier guy to root
for because we can relate to that because he's less
disciplined than the babyface. The babyface, it of course, gets
all the same opportunities to sin that the heel gets,
but through his discipline, he stays away from the women,
(04:19):
the booze, the drugs, all that stuff, and he stays
disciplined and pure and true to himself, right, And that's
harder to relate to because that's a hard road to walk. Man.
You usually walk it alone because there's fewer people live
in that life, and it's easier to go drink a
Budweiser and flip off your boss when he's not looking
like everybody wants to do that. So I always kind
(04:40):
of felt bad for Brett, but he did turn nonetheless,
and probably one of the most conflicted characters in wrestling
nineteen ninety seven was around the time when this started happening,
and this is when Stone Cold was like starting to
blow up and Brett and Shawn Michaels and all that,
and those were his best matches by the way, and
that was his beef. And we had the double turn
(05:01):
in the in the Stone Cold Brett Hart match where
they literally switched switched roles mid match and the crowd
went crazy and bananas for It's one of my favorite
matches ever to talk about blood good Lord, those dudes
are two matches and lead jack. But anyway, Brett Hart
superhel but only in America. Everywhere in Europe and in Canada,
(05:22):
they still loved the gimmick. They were like, nah, Man,
you're right at America. America's like, what a f you?
So that always is good for wrestling. We had some
good beef there and it felt real. It probably was.
He was probably genuinely pissed. All right. Next up, I'm
(05:47):
gonna do a little ae W and I we're gonna
talk about mister Maxwell Jacob Friedman in a heel turn
that I certainly didn't see coming. I thought I was
going to go the other way. I was certain Adam
Cole was going to turn on his best bro MJF
and screw him over. But instead it was MJF who
kicked him right in the nuts. Great, this Max's has
(06:09):
great aim. He always hits guys right in the balls.
And uh, they never do the miagi low sweet? What
was that wax on wax off? Or was that paint
the floor? I think it was painted paint the floor.
They never do the paint the floor technique, which is weird.
All these guys should know it by now. But yeah,
he kicked him in the nuts and they were no
longer bros. And he reveals that he truly is the devil,
(06:32):
just a ruthless, cocky asshole, and he's the top dude,
the top dude today, dubbs man. I mean when he
was champed, they were killing it on his way there
through seem Punk, he was killing it. Now with the
hurt business confrontation and him and Bobby like, now that
he's killing that, he has his contract that he can
cash in on Adam Page, he's going to be killing it.
(06:54):
So he's positioned to do great stuff again. Uh, he
always does great stuff. He's going to be the one
that gets turned on this time, which would be a
lot of fun. People see him get beat down by
his friend MVP Shell and Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, who
are not his friends. They'll take him down. And then finally,
I said finally earlier, but finally, and this one was
(07:17):
like not so much a heel turn. It was a
we need to change course. This was Roman reigns and
before Tribal Chief. Tribal Chief is the turn. But this
was the chosen one, right, the next great babyface of
the company, and the crowd felt very forced upon. They
(07:40):
didn't because they didn't pick him, they didn't claim him.
And wrestling crowds are very involved with the show and
they're a part of the show. It used to drive
me crazy when I first worked there, because you guys
would screw up people's promos and not give them a
chance to get over with the what chant, right, But
after a time I got it, like, no, they just
want to be a part of something unique and special
that only happens one on live television and and there's
(08:01):
nothing wrong with that. That's it's like going to the
Rocky Horror Picture Show and throwing bread in the air
when they go a toast like it's this. There's there's
a you want to be involved with something that you
love and so I totally get that, But I used
to I used to hate you guys. But anyway, the
crowd wasn't they weren't feeling it, and they would boo
every Babyface promo this man had and uh and it
(08:22):
got Seth Rollins over when Seth was was uh the
one beefing with him back in the day. This is
all pre tribal chief and Seth Rollins, you know, buying
in and all this stuff to the to the corporate
way of thinking, like people were cheering him instead of
instead of booing. Man, it was it was awesome, and uh,
they didn't really know what to do with Roman, so
they switched and went full heel. And that's what I
(08:44):
meant by changing course. And this tribal chief emerged and
everyone booed and booed and booed, and they hated him.
He got good heat, and then those booths turned into cheers,
and eventually, organically, without it being forced upon the audience,
they chose Roman as the top baby face in the company.
And they still treat him that way to this day,
which is pretty awesome because they made him earn it.
(09:06):
And when you earn some you don't deserve anything in life.
You earn everything in life. And that's why the Roman
reigns thing is so honest and so organic. They made
him earn it. And that's the big thing. My godfather
used to talk about respect, right, he said, people hand
out respect too easily these days. You have to offer
an opportunity to earn respect. But you don't just give
(09:27):
someone respect, you give them dignity. Right, Everyone deserves to
be treated with dignity, but respect has to be earned.
You give the opportunity for someone to earn it, but
it must be earned, never given away. And that's kind
of what happened with the Roman Reigns turn that. I
really liked this. The crowd made him earn it. They
put him through the ringer and he came out looking
like a million bucks. Even more than that, he probably
(09:50):
making ten million bucks looking like twenty million bucks. So yeah,
so there's four. There's one more, and I'm pretty pissed
off about this one. I didn't write this. Our producer
Alex wrote this one. We're gonna have a chat after
the show. Jeff's not here to shit all over me,
which is nice. This heel turn was twenty eight years
(10:10):
in the making, y'all, and you never saw it coming.
You never saw it coming, but we read the comments
in the comments section when my movie came out. That's right.
You know where I'm going. The final heel of this
episode is the Fisherman from I not what you did
last summer. You had no idea I was gonna turn
heel on your punk asses and try to kill everybody
(10:32):
and try to kill your favorite Julie James. Well I did,
and I almost got away with it. It wasn't for
those meddling kids. We went a little Scooby Doo there. Sorry,
for the land part of that promo. But that's the
final one. Sorry at that one. See, I'm pissed off too,
So you can be mad, but don't be mad at me.
Send your complaints to producer Alex at producer Alex at
(10:53):
gmail dot com, dot net dot org. Just title it
the email heading with youth you suck man, You just
freaking suck all those words right, the whole thing, And
then file your complaint there and we'll get to them
and I'll read them on the air. Okay, if you
actually do want to reach out to us, you guys
can give us a review. You can leave comments, and
(11:14):
if they're good, even if they're mean, I'll read them
on the air. I don't care. Jeff gets mad at
you guys, but I don't and I want to give you,
guys what you want. So enjoy the episodes, Enjoy the show.
I hope you enjoyed this week. Tune in every week
and be good to yourselves. Peace.
Ladies and gentlemen, Are you ready, I'm about to hit
the fan. Welcome to unsanctioned Thursday's honestling with ready?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
All right, you guys, welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays. No Jeff Die,
You're stuck with me and I have a fun show
plan for you. This show's title is called the Heel Turn,
not Heels. That show already exists. This is the heel Turn.
You have to say it with that kind of a
voice when you repeat it right. You can't just go
on the heel turn that. You can't if that's how
you sound. I don't know how you sound. My voice
(00:41):
kind of sucks too, So if you sound like that,
I'm sorry. I feel your pain. But thanks for listening,
Thanks for tuning in. A lot of allergies going on
for me as I get older. That kind of sucks.
I'm almost fifty. It's never allergic to anything, and now
apparently I'm allergic to everything in my neighborhood, so that's
a lot of fun. I've been told to eat local honey.
(01:03):
I don't know why. I guess because they make the
bees are getting it from local flowers. But it's not
like I'm getting honey from the flowers in this neighborhood,
Like I can only get it from wherever the farmer's
farm their honey from. So I don't know if that's
bullshit or not. Anyway, let's get this show started. We're
gonna start with the mother of them all. We lost
Halcogan and that was the biggest heel turn ever, So
(01:26):
we're gonna start with that one, Hollywood Hogan. The nWo earthquake.
It was the biggest heel turn ever, right, yeah, biggest
heel turn ever. It shook up the entire business and
made people watch WCW. It helped WCW in the ratings
take over and start winning in the ratings. It took
(01:47):
place at Bash at the Beach in nineteen ninety six.
I was twenty years old and was it took a
break from wrestling at that time, so I missed the
seal turn. It was my friends that were all like, oh,
do you should watch resin all Cocain's and asshole now,
So he made the try. I was never a Hogan guy.
I know I shouldn't. I'm not trying to speak ill.
(02:07):
My mom told me to eat my vitamins and say
my prayers. Man like, I didn't need to hear that
from the guys that I'm wanted to watch fight. I
wanted them to say tough guy shit like the heels would.
So I always rooted for the bad guys. I probably
would have liked him more as Hollywood Hogan, but he
had been the red and yellow superhero for over a decade.
The fans were kind of getting over that. See how's
(02:28):
ahead of the curve on that too? And the colored
hair I was doing in the nineties. All you guys
just started doing it in the last three years, you
scrubs man. Whatever. Anyway, he started trashing the fans, the fans,
same fans that were booing him because they were starting
to like the Stone Colds, Steve Austin's and the middle
Finger guys and all that. They were done with Flintstones
vitamins and they got their vitamins from beer, damn it.
(02:51):
And so he called the fans trash shit all over him,
made them hate him, and the rest was history. Man,
it changed his entire career. It gave him an an
extra like ten years probably more. Whatever it was, it
was awesome. It worked out perfectly, and the crowd reacted perfectly.
And it's all about the crowds on these turns, babyface
(03:11):
or heel. If if they don't care they got, they're
gonna let you know with silence and you it is deafening.
The next one, Brett the Hitman, heard from the hero
to a bitter bitter man. This is like the weirdest
he'll turn ever because he wasn't wrong about like what
(03:37):
he was saying, like doing the Playgirl magazine and all
that stuff. And then the curson like that wasn't babyface behavior,
that was hell behavior, and it was like it's like
rooting for Han Solo in Star Wars over Luke Skywalker, right,
Like Luke Skywalker's the babyface. Han Solo's the badass babyface.
(03:58):
He's stone cold Steve Boston. He doesn't care about the rules.
He'll do what's bright as long as it doesn't annoy
him too much. And that's an easier guy to root
for because we can relate to that because he's less
disciplined than the babyface. The babyface, it of course, gets
all the same opportunities to sin that the heel gets,
but through his discipline, he stays away from the women,
(04:19):
the booze, the drugs, all that stuff, and he stays
disciplined and pure and true to himself, right, And that's
harder to relate to because that's a hard road to walk. Man.
You usually walk it alone because there's fewer people live
in that life, and it's easier to go drink a
Budweiser and flip off your boss when he's not looking
like everybody wants to do that. So I always kind
(04:40):
of felt bad for Brett, but he did turn nonetheless,
and probably one of the most conflicted characters in wrestling
nineteen ninety seven was around the time when this started happening,
and this is when Stone Cold was like starting to
blow up and Brett and Shawn Michaels and all that,
and those were his best matches by the way, and
that was his beef. And we had the double turn
(05:01):
in the in the Stone Cold Brett Hart match where
they literally switched switched roles mid match and the crowd
went crazy and bananas for It's one of my favorite
matches ever to talk about blood good Lord, those dudes
are two matches and lead jack. But anyway, Brett Hart
superhel but only in America. Everywhere in Europe and in Canada,
(05:22):
they still loved the gimmick. They were like, nah, Man,
you're right at America. America's like, what a f you?
So that always is good for wrestling. We had some
good beef there and it felt real. It probably was.
He was probably genuinely pissed. All right. Next up, I'm
(05:47):
gonna do a little ae W and I we're gonna
talk about mister Maxwell Jacob Friedman in a heel turn
that I certainly didn't see coming. I thought I was
going to go the other way. I was certain Adam
Cole was going to turn on his best bro MJF
and screw him over. But instead it was MJF who
kicked him right in the nuts. Great, this Max's has
(06:09):
great aim. He always hits guys right in the balls.
And uh, they never do the miagi low sweet? What
was that wax on wax off? Or was that paint
the floor? I think it was painted paint the floor.
They never do the paint the floor technique, which is weird.
All these guys should know it by now. But yeah,
he kicked him in the nuts and they were no
longer bros. And he reveals that he truly is the devil,
(06:32):
just a ruthless, cocky asshole, and he's the top dude,
the top dude today, dubbs man. I mean when he
was champed, they were killing it on his way there
through seem Punk, he was killing it. Now with the
hurt business confrontation and him and Bobby like, now that
he's killing that, he has his contract that he can
cash in on Adam Page, he's going to be killing it.
(06:54):
So he's positioned to do great stuff again. Uh, he
always does great stuff. He's going to be the one
that gets turned on this time, which would be a
lot of fun. People see him get beat down by
his friend MVP Shell and Benjamin and Bobby Lashley, who
are not his friends. They'll take him down. And then finally,
I said finally earlier, but finally, and this one was
(07:17):
like not so much a heel turn. It was a
we need to change course. This was Roman reigns and
before Tribal Chief. Tribal Chief is the turn. But this
was the chosen one, right, the next great babyface of
the company, and the crowd felt very forced upon. They
(07:40):
didn't because they didn't pick him, they didn't claim him.
And wrestling crowds are very involved with the show and
they're a part of the show. It used to drive
me crazy when I first worked there, because you guys
would screw up people's promos and not give them a
chance to get over with the what chant, right, But
after a time I got it, like, no, they just
want to be a part of something unique and special
that only happens one on live television and and there's
(08:01):
nothing wrong with that. That's it's like going to the
Rocky Horror Picture Show and throwing bread in the air
when they go a toast like it's this. There's there's
a you want to be involved with something that you
love and so I totally get that, But I used
to I used to hate you guys. But anyway, the
crowd wasn't they weren't feeling it, and they would boo
every Babyface promo this man had and uh and it
(08:22):
got Seth Rollins over when Seth was was uh the
one beefing with him back in the day. This is
all pre tribal chief and Seth Rollins, you know, buying
in and all this stuff to the to the corporate
way of thinking, like people were cheering him instead of
instead of booing. Man, it was it was awesome, and uh,
they didn't really know what to do with Roman, so
they switched and went full heel. And that's what I
(08:44):
meant by changing course. And this tribal chief emerged and
everyone booed and booed and booed, and they hated him.
He got good heat, and then those booths turned into cheers,
and eventually, organically, without it being forced upon the audience,
they chose Roman as the top baby face in the company.
And they still treat him that way to this day,
which is pretty awesome because they made him earn it.
(09:06):
And when you earn some you don't deserve anything in life.
You earn everything in life. And that's why the Roman
reigns thing is so honest and so organic. They made
him earn it. And that's the big thing. My godfather
used to talk about respect, right, he said, people hand
out respect too easily these days. You have to offer
an opportunity to earn respect. But you don't just give
(09:27):
someone respect, you give them dignity. Right, Everyone deserves to
be treated with dignity, but respect has to be earned.
You give the opportunity for someone to earn it, but
it must be earned, never given away. And that's kind
of what happened with the Roman Reigns turn that. I
really liked this. The crowd made him earn it. They
put him through the ringer and he came out looking
like a million bucks. Even more than that, he probably
(09:50):
making ten million bucks looking like twenty million bucks. So yeah,
so there's four. There's one more, and I'm pretty pissed
off about this one. I didn't write this. Our producer
Alex wrote this one. We're gonna have a chat after
the show. Jeff's not here to shit all over me,
which is nice. This heel turn was twenty eight years
(10:10):
in the making, y'all, and you never saw it coming.
You never saw it coming, but we read the comments
in the comments section when my movie came out. That's right.
You know where I'm going. The final heel of this
episode is the Fisherman from I not what you did
last summer. You had no idea I was gonna turn
heel on your punk asses and try to kill everybody
(10:32):
and try to kill your favorite Julie James. Well I did,
and I almost got away with it. It wasn't for
those meddling kids. We went a little Scooby Doo there. Sorry,
for the land part of that promo. But that's the
final one. Sorry at that one. See, I'm pissed off too,
So you can be mad, but don't be mad at me.
Send your complaints to producer Alex at producer Alex at
(10:53):
gmail dot com, dot net dot org. Just title it
the email heading with youth you suck man, You just
freaking suck all those words right, the whole thing, And
then file your complaint there and we'll get to them
and I'll read them on the air. Okay, if you
actually do want to reach out to us, you guys
can give us a review. You can leave comments, and
(11:14):
if they're good, even if they're mean, I'll read them
on the air. I don't care. Jeff gets mad at
you guys, but I don't and I want to give you,
guys what you want. So enjoy the episodes, Enjoy the show.
I hope you enjoyed this week. Tune in every week
and be good to yourselves. Peace.
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