December 4, 2025 • 16 mins
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays! We're diving into old-school wrestling, from Survivor Series to legendary matches involving icons like Hogan, Andre, Bret Hart, and Stone Cold. You'll hear some wild stories, including my childhood encounter with Ken Pitera and Lou Ferrigno. Plus, I'm sharing behind-the-scenes details about my latest movie, 'The Road to Recovery,' where I play the father of a girl with cancer. It's been an emotional journey and I'm so excited to share it with you all.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready, SHOT's about to hit
the fan. Welcome to on sanctioned Thursdays are wrestling with Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What's up everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays, the show that you demanded
because our shows aren't long enough. Maybe they are long enough.
You just hate commercials, which I feel you on that.
I mean I fast forward and skip most of the time,
unless I had a cocktail, and then you kind of
get lost in the sauce, right, and the commercials on
and you can skip things there, but you don't even
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press it until you have like five seconds left of
the commercial and you're like, I could have skip this,
but I forgot because martinis are good.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, people, Welcome to Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We're gonna talk a little old school wrestling, and I'll
give you a little update on the movie I just finished,
which was just a great experience that I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Survivor series just came and went, and it has always
been my least favorite pay per view, so much so
that I don't even think I should have to do
an episode about it. But we're here anyway, not to
bitch and complain, but to take you down memory lane
and to remind you that I met Johnson hated both
the other team and his team. Here we go the
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nineteen eighties, otherwise known as the Golden Era of wrestling,
Team Hogan versus Team Andre.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Now come on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I guess it doesn't matter if there's no stories ever,
aus Hogan and Andre were the story, so everybody else
you could just have in there. But the match was Hogan,
Paul Orndorf, mister Wonderful. He had the pile driver, he
had a great body, great hair. Don Morocco, Ken Petera,
who I met as a little kid, who's friends with
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my godfather, Bob Wall. He was also in strongman competitions.
I met him at one of these strong man compet
not a strong man competition, but it was like a
charity event where a lot of strong men came. It
was like this go kart race with celebrities, and Lou
Farigno was there, Ken Peterra was there, one of the
Brady Bunch kids were there. I know it's the dad
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that was there, and they're all gonna do like a
go kart race, and Lou Farigno's fucking go kart flips
and everyone's like, oh my god, what the hell, and
I'm freaking out. I'm a kid man. I don't know
how old I was, but I was young. And all
of a sudden, you see this huge, this huge friggin'
arm come out the side of the go kart on
the concrete and push the fucking cart and the whole
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thing flips.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Back over with one arm.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He did it with one arm, and the thing still
ran in and he took off again. I was like,
I was a little kid. I was like, yo, he
really is a fucking hawk man.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was crazy. Anyway, I met Camp peterra Bam Bam.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Bigelow was the last one on Hogan's team versus Andre's team,
the one man gang, dangerous wrestler King Kong Bundy. You
son of a bitch, Butcher read you better get out
of it here, dude, and Rick Rud.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Can't talk shit about Rick.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Rud because he was pretty jacked and had like one
of the best bodies in the history of professional wrestling,
So shout out Rick Rud. This was the main event
of the very first Survivor series, and it capitalized on
a massive Hogan versus Andre rivalry from WrestleMania three, which
is the only reason why I probably worked, and it
established the five on five elimination format as a Thanksgiving tradition.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Again, I always was like, why are they fighting?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like I never got it right, But I always liked
stories more than that. I liked knowing the history of
Muhammad Ali and knowing about the fighter before he fought anybody.
But like the Joe Fraser story and the hate or
it wasn't really hate, but the projected hate and the
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perceived hate that we thought existed between the two of
them made that fight more interesting. So that's kind of
where I come from when I say I want stories,
is because the old box old boxing fights always had stories.
So that was theirs and they started it. So they
get a shout out. The nineties, the New Generation and
the Attitude era, the Dream Team versus the Million Dollar Team,
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and let me tell you, it's pretty great billing, pretty
great billing, Like you very much. The match was Dusty
Rhodes Gotta love Dusted Vivid Coco Beware with his little
parrot Frankie not a parrot?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
What was that? A cock? A McCaw? Thank you. I
don't know who told me that. I don't know why
I said thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Bret Hart with the worst sunglasses in the history of
professional wrestling. Don Callis will vouch for that because he's
got the top sunglasses in the game today. And Jim
Knight hard of course, because they rolled together versus Ted Dbiassi,
the Million Dollar Man. Met him when I was a
little kid because he was friends with my uncle. This
dude they called judo Jean LaBelle. It wasn't my blood uncle,
but he was my godfather's best friend, and he introduced
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himself as Uncle Jean, so I always just called him
Uncle Jean. But Jean was a judo champion. They wrote
a book about him called the Most Dangerous Man in
the World because he was.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He had two tendons everywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You and I have one. So I want you to
look at your thumb right now, just give yourself a
thumbs up and look at the back of it. You'll
see you have two tendons there that connect your thumb
to your wrist and that helps it bend in flex.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right. He had four, so when he grabs you, it's over.
The fight is over. Oh and he.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Knew judo like even if he didn't know judo and
he got his hands on you. You're Donezo's now he's
got double tendon strength and he's a judoka, So yeah,
that was your ass. I met him at Tedy Biassi
at Jean's dojo in southern California. They were doing a
seminar on like submissions, and there was an old poster
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of it that was in there like decades later, and
I remember seeing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It being like, oh, yeah, I met him when I
was a little kid.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Greg Valentine was his second the Honkey talk Man and
a Mystery partner the Mystery and was revealed to be
the Undertaker, and this match marked the on screen debut
of arguably the greatest character and attraction wrestler in history.
Attraction wrestlers are far and few between, but he was
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for sure the best. The latest was the late great
Bray Wyatt in my opinion. Ironically enough, it was also
the debut of the Gobbledygooker, which was the worst idea
in the history of wrestling. Well, maybe the Brawl for
All was the worst because dude's got hurt, but creatively speaking,
the gobbledy Goodman.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Next up Brett Hard versus Stone Cold Steve Austin one
of the greatest matches of all time, nineteen ninety six
standard singles match for the number one contender to the
WWF Championship. Everybody loves this match. Nobody's ever been like, yeah,
but it's overrated, Like nobody said that, and if they did,
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they were shamed the way people should.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Still be shamed today.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You have to put a scarlet letter across your chest,
a D for dummy, for dumb ass, for saying something
so stupid. Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome match. This was also
led to the legendary battle in nineteen ninety seven, the
Crimson Mask, where Stone Cold is just like bleeding everywhere crazy.
Also nineteen ninety seven, we got Brett Hart versus Sean Michaels.
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It's funny how Brett Hart's and all these amazing matches weird.
I know people say he complains too much, but maybe
he is one of the greatest ever do it. He
just knows it, and you just don't like that he
knows it. I guess it would kind of be like
if an actor won an Academy Award and was like, yes, yes,
I am the greatest. Yes, you probably hate that guy too.
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All right, we got the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This was like.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Primetime me not liking Survivor series. We had Team ww
F versus The Alliance. This was The Rock Chris Jericho,
Taker Caine and the Big Show versus Stone Cold, Kurt Angle,
Van Dam, Booker t and Shane McMahon. That's Rob Van Dam.
Jean Cloud was never a professional wrestler because he couldn't
handle it. Little punk ass bitch, you couldn't handle pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Bro with that ballet, get out of here, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jean Cloud, Van Dam and Steven Sagah got called out
by the original Dirty Dozen, like the first black belts
that ever graced the cover of Black Belt magazine, and
they would challenge them to fight all the time, not
to the death or anything, but just to fight to see,
you know, let's spark, let's let's see if you're as
good as as Bruce was, Let's see if you're as
good as Chuck is. And they would never do it
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because they knew they'd get bosed and Steven Sagall one
time said I'll only fight to the death in all
twelve of the Dirty Dozen said yeah, all right, that
was it. Yeah, okay. They never fought it. He never
wanted that fight. He didn't want that heat. And if
there's any defenders of sigall or VANDAM out there, you
can shout us out on social media.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Good luck, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Survivor Series two thousand and two famously one of the
few times in history that the event did not feature
a traditional five on five or four on four Survivor
Series elimination tag team match. It is a rare anomaly
in the event's history. Instead of the classic format, WW
filled the card with other types of elimination matches like
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the Elimination Chamber, Elimination Tables match, and the triple Threat
elimination tag match.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Are you seeing the theme here? Are you starting to
see why?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I was like, you know, I'm not loving Survivors Series anyway,
that's our episode on Survivor Series, but it's.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Not at the end of the episode. So I've been
gone for a while, about a month.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I appreciate your patience, your tolerance, your love and support,
but I'm also an actor and these are both full
time jobs and sometimes one has to suffer over the other,
and so sorry for having to go, But I also
have to show my kids that it's important to chase
your dreams. My daughter wants to be an actor, so
it's important to set a good example for her so
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she can see the sacrifice, the time away from your family,
the time committing yourself to a character and sort of
stepping outside yourself and stepping into that character and behaving
like that person and not being the same guy right
away when you talk to him. It takes time to adjust.
That sounds like artsybs, but it's just the way it
goes for certain types of actors. There's different types, right,
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there's like Meisner, the method, there's the Shop, like all
these different techniques. The shop is like the simplest. They
just say, like look up the definition of and it
says to do so, just do it. Method is sort
of stepping outside yourself and becoming the character, making life
choices that the character would make. This guy doesn't drink,
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so for a month, I'm not going to drink. Not
difficult to do, but still it's just a choice that
I made to kind of feel more like the dude, right,
And I thought it was important because the script was
so special.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We shot in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Lovely town reminded me of Albuquerque, New Mexico a lot
like Albuquerque, New Mexico, just minus the Southwestern culture, the Adobe,
the Adobe.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the Mexican culture.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Although there's a lot of Mexicans in Oklahoma, and the
Mexican food better than the barbecue. I'm just going to
put that out there. The Mexican food was better than
the barbecue. Now, granted, maybe I'm not an Oklahoma barbecue
sauce guy, you know, maybe I'm a more Texas barbecue dude.
But the Mexican food way better in Oklahoma than in Texas.
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It's not even close, not even close. And I thought
there'd be though. I thought i'd be the only dude
that could speak a lick a Spanish out there, and
there were Spanish speakers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So the food pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But anyway, I read this script and it was called
The Road to Recovery, and no, it's not a drug
addicts road to recovery. It's it's a little girl, fifteen
year old girl with brain cancer, and it's her, it's
her road to recovery, and I play her father. And
it's basically a two hander. This movie just me and
her on a road trip. Maybe should get six months?
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Maybe should get six years. We don't know, but a
really painful movie to play in a difficult role for me,
especially I don't normally do like a method approach. I
came up at the shop with Andrew mcgarryon and John Homa,
and they teach him much more simple, like just fucking
do it, Freddy, Just do it. Know your lines, have
a point of view, have motivation, Know what your challenge is,
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know what the obstacle is, right the challenge, And how
does your character approach said challenge. Do they smash through it?
Do they sneak their way around it? Do they run
away from it? Do they leap over it? Whatever it
is that you just stay true to that right, And
that's how I always approached rom comms. But this was different,
and this felt like it needed a different like a
greater level of commitment, and so I just kind of
stepped inside and wanted to see how it felt. And
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it felt horrible, but it was the best work that
I was ever capable of doing.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it was this strand. And I spoke with a
friend of.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Mine who's a method actor and a really talented one,
and he's actually an Academy Award winner, and I spoke
to him about just sort of how to do this
and how to live it, and that's what he said.
He was like, you just have to live it. If
he doesn't drink, you don't drink. They were all going
to the whole cast and crew were going to go
to a Billie Eilish concert and he was like, my
character's name is Tom. And I was talking to him.
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I was like, I don't think I should go, and
he's like, would Tom go? That's the character's name. I
was like, no, Tom doesn't have any friends, Like his
whole life is his daughter.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
He's like, then you shouldn't go. So I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Man, I missed out on a concert that was really good.
Everybody had a good time. But that was sort of
the discipline that was necessary in my mind to give
the performance that this guy deserved. And it was a
ton of fun. I just I loved every moment of
this movie. And I got to work with great people
like Thomas Lennon. I don't know if you guys remember
that show Reno nine to one one, but he was Dangle.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And he's also a great writer as well and wrote
a lot of that show.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got to work with him which was wonderful. I
got to work with Sarah Shahee who's worked with The
Rock and been in a bunch of other movies as well.
And Ryan Kira Armstrong, who's the lead that was the
girl who played my daughter. She was on that Star
Wars show with Jude Law and she booked the lead
role on My Wife's Buffy remake.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I just think.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
She's wonderful and one of those old souls that's in
a young person's body, Like when you see those young
child actors and you're like, oh my god, they seem
like they're sixty years old. It's one of those kids
right where they're just wise beyond their years. And the
director was Taylor Scout Compton. She was a child actor,
so she knows how to end. She's a grown up
actor too, but she really knows how to communicate with actors,
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so trust was easy to develop between the two of us.
And she wrote the script as well, based on personal
experiences with her father when he was battling cancer. And
I just thought it was a wonderful story that I
had to do, and that's why I had to leave
for a month and leave you guys, leave my podcast,
leave my family, leave my dogs, leave my two cool cars,
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leave my neighborhood, leave my house, leave everything that I
love and that I'm comfortable with, and go to a
you know, a tiny little hotel in Tulsa and just
be alone and take walks in the cold and the rain.
I make it sound so sad, but it was a
great experience and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Man, it was. It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And I've talked about this when we have guests on,
especially in season two, where I would say, you know,
I have these guests on a lot to inspire people
to not quit on their dreams, because no matter how
long it takes, you can eventually get there. People quit
give up and you move up the list just by
necessity because there's less people dreaming. So don't give up
on your dreams. Keep chasing him and keep listening to
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this show. We'll see you next Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Peace,
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready, SHOT's about to hit
the fan. Welcome to on sanctioned Thursdays are wrestling with Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
What's up everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And welcome to unsanctioned Thursdays, the show that you demanded
because our shows aren't long enough. Maybe they are long enough.
You just hate commercials, which I feel you on that.
I mean I fast forward and skip most of the time,
unless I had a cocktail, and then you kind of
get lost in the sauce, right, and the commercials on
and you can skip things there, but you don't even
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press it until you have like five seconds left of
the commercial and you're like, I could have skip this,
but I forgot because martinis are good.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
All right, people, Welcome to Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We're gonna talk a little old school wrestling, and I'll
give you a little update on the movie I just finished,
which was just a great experience that I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So here we go.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Survivor series just came and went, and it has always
been my least favorite pay per view, so much so
that I don't even think I should have to do
an episode about it. But we're here anyway, not to
bitch and complain, but to take you down memory lane
and to remind you that I met Johnson hated both
the other team and his team. Here we go the
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nineteen eighties, otherwise known as the Golden Era of wrestling,
Team Hogan versus Team Andre.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Now come on this one.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I guess it doesn't matter if there's no stories ever,
aus Hogan and Andre were the story, so everybody else
you could just have in there. But the match was Hogan,
Paul Orndorf, mister Wonderful. He had the pile driver, he
had a great body, great hair. Don Morocco, Ken Petera,
who I met as a little kid, who's friends with
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my godfather, Bob Wall. He was also in strongman competitions.
I met him at one of these strong man compet
not a strong man competition, but it was like a
charity event where a lot of strong men came. It
was like this go kart race with celebrities, and Lou
Farigno was there, Ken Peterra was there, one of the
Brady Bunch kids were there. I know it's the dad
(02:14):
that was there, and they're all gonna do like a
go kart race, and Lou Farigno's fucking go kart flips
and everyone's like, oh my god, what the hell, and
I'm freaking out. I'm a kid man. I don't know
how old I was, but I was young. And all
of a sudden, you see this huge, this huge friggin'
arm come out the side of the go kart on
the concrete and push the fucking cart and the whole
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thing flips.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Back over with one arm.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
He did it with one arm, and the thing still
ran in and he took off again. I was like,
I was a little kid. I was like, yo, he
really is a fucking hawk man.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was crazy. Anyway, I met Camp peterra Bam Bam.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Bigelow was the last one on Hogan's team versus Andre's team,
the one man gang, dangerous wrestler King Kong Bundy. You
son of a bitch, Butcher read you better get out
of it here, dude, and Rick Rud.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Can't talk shit about Rick.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Rud because he was pretty jacked and had like one
of the best bodies in the history of professional wrestling,
So shout out Rick Rud. This was the main event
of the very first Survivor series, and it capitalized on
a massive Hogan versus Andre rivalry from WrestleMania three, which
is the only reason why I probably worked, and it
established the five on five elimination format as a Thanksgiving tradition.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Again, I always was like, why are they fighting?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like I never got it right, But I always liked
stories more than that. I liked knowing the history of
Muhammad Ali and knowing about the fighter before he fought anybody.
But like the Joe Fraser story and the hate or
it wasn't really hate, but the projected hate and the
(03:48):
perceived hate that we thought existed between the two of
them made that fight more interesting. So that's kind of
where I come from when I say I want stories,
is because the old box old boxing fights always had stories.
So that was theirs and they started it. So they
get a shout out. The nineties, the New Generation and
the Attitude era, the Dream Team versus the Million Dollar Team,
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and let me tell you, it's pretty great billing, pretty
great billing, Like you very much. The match was Dusty
Rhodes Gotta love Dusted Vivid Coco Beware with his little
parrot Frankie not a parrot?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
What was that? A cock? A McCaw? Thank you. I
don't know who told me that. I don't know why
I said thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Bret Hart with the worst sunglasses in the history of
professional wrestling. Don Callis will vouch for that because he's
got the top sunglasses in the game today. And Jim
Knight hard of course, because they rolled together versus Ted Dbiassi,
the Million Dollar Man. Met him when I was a
little kid because he was friends with my uncle. This
dude they called judo Jean LaBelle. It wasn't my blood uncle,
but he was my godfather's best friend, and he introduced
(04:52):
himself as Uncle Jean, so I always just called him
Uncle Jean. But Jean was a judo champion. They wrote
a book about him called the Most Dangerous Man in
the World because he was.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He had two tendons everywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You and I have one. So I want you to
look at your thumb right now, just give yourself a
thumbs up and look at the back of it. You'll
see you have two tendons there that connect your thumb
to your wrist and that helps it bend in flex.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right. He had four, so when he grabs you, it's over.
The fight is over. Oh and he.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Knew judo like even if he didn't know judo and
he got his hands on you. You're Donezo's now he's
got double tendon strength and he's a judoka, So yeah,
that was your ass. I met him at Tedy Biassi
at Jean's dojo in southern California. They were doing a
seminar on like submissions, and there was an old poster
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of it that was in there like decades later, and
I remember seeing.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It being like, oh, yeah, I met him when I
was a little kid.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Greg Valentine was his second the Honkey talk Man and
a Mystery partner the Mystery and was revealed to be
the Undertaker, and this match marked the on screen debut
of arguably the greatest character and attraction wrestler in history.
Attraction wrestlers are far and few between, but he was
(06:13):
for sure the best. The latest was the late great
Bray Wyatt in my opinion. Ironically enough, it was also
the debut of the Gobbledygooker, which was the worst idea
in the history of wrestling. Well, maybe the Brawl for
All was the worst because dude's got hurt, but creatively speaking,
the gobbledy Goodman.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Next up Brett Hard versus Stone Cold Steve Austin one
of the greatest matches of all time, nineteen ninety six
standard singles match for the number one contender to the
WWF Championship. Everybody loves this match. Nobody's ever been like, yeah,
but it's overrated, Like nobody said that, and if they did,
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they were shamed the way people should.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Still be shamed today.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You have to put a scarlet letter across your chest,
a D for dummy, for dumb ass, for saying something
so stupid. Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome match. This was also
led to the legendary battle in nineteen ninety seven, the
Crimson Mask, where Stone Cold is just like bleeding everywhere crazy.
Also nineteen ninety seven, we got Brett Hart versus Sean Michaels.
(07:46):
It's funny how Brett Hart's and all these amazing matches weird.
I know people say he complains too much, but maybe
he is one of the greatest ever do it. He
just knows it, and you just don't like that he
knows it. I guess it would kind of be like
if an actor won an Academy Award and was like, yes, yes,
I am the greatest. Yes, you probably hate that guy too.
(08:08):
All right, we got the early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
This was like.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Primetime me not liking Survivor series. We had Team ww
F versus The Alliance. This was The Rock Chris Jericho,
Taker Caine and the Big Show versus Stone Cold, Kurt Angle,
Van Dam, Booker t and Shane McMahon. That's Rob Van Dam.
Jean Cloud was never a professional wrestler because he couldn't
handle it. Little punk ass bitch, you couldn't handle pro wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Bro with that ballet, get out of here, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Jean Cloud, Van Dam and Steven Sagah got called out
by the original Dirty Dozen, like the first black belts
that ever graced the cover of Black Belt magazine, and
they would challenge them to fight all the time, not
to the death or anything, but just to fight to see,
you know, let's spark, let's let's see if you're as
good as as Bruce was, Let's see if you're as
good as Chuck is. And they would never do it
(08:59):
because they knew they'd get bosed and Steven Sagall one
time said I'll only fight to the death in all
twelve of the Dirty Dozen said yeah, all right, that
was it. Yeah, okay. They never fought it. He never
wanted that fight. He didn't want that heat. And if
there's any defenders of sigall or VANDAM out there, you
can shout us out on social media.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Good luck, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Survivor Series two thousand and two famously one of the
few times in history that the event did not feature
a traditional five on five or four on four Survivor
Series elimination tag team match. It is a rare anomaly
in the event's history. Instead of the classic format, WW
filled the card with other types of elimination matches like
(09:43):
the Elimination Chamber, Elimination Tables match, and the triple Threat
elimination tag match.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Are you seeing the theme here? Are you starting to
see why?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I was like, you know, I'm not loving Survivors Series anyway,
that's our episode on Survivor Series, but it's.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Not at the end of the episode. So I've been
gone for a while, about a month.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I appreciate your patience, your tolerance, your love and support,
but I'm also an actor and these are both full
time jobs and sometimes one has to suffer over the other,
and so sorry for having to go, But I also
have to show my kids that it's important to chase
your dreams. My daughter wants to be an actor, so
it's important to set a good example for her so
(10:28):
she can see the sacrifice, the time away from your family,
the time committing yourself to a character and sort of
stepping outside yourself and stepping into that character and behaving
like that person and not being the same guy right
away when you talk to him. It takes time to adjust.
That sounds like artsybs, but it's just the way it
goes for certain types of actors. There's different types, right,
(10:50):
there's like Meisner, the method, there's the Shop, like all
these different techniques. The shop is like the simplest. They
just say, like look up the definition of and it
says to do so, just do it. Method is sort
of stepping outside yourself and becoming the character, making life
choices that the character would make. This guy doesn't drink,
(11:10):
so for a month, I'm not going to drink. Not
difficult to do, but still it's just a choice that
I made to kind of feel more like the dude, right,
And I thought it was important because the script was
so special.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
We shot in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Lovely town reminded me of Albuquerque, New Mexico a lot
like Albuquerque, New Mexico, just minus the Southwestern culture, the Adobe,
the Adobe.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And the Mexican culture.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Although there's a lot of Mexicans in Oklahoma, and the
Mexican food better than the barbecue. I'm just going to
put that out there. The Mexican food was better than
the barbecue. Now, granted, maybe I'm not an Oklahoma barbecue
sauce guy, you know, maybe I'm a more Texas barbecue dude.
But the Mexican food way better in Oklahoma than in Texas.
(11:59):
It's not even close, not even close. And I thought
there'd be though. I thought i'd be the only dude
that could speak a lick a Spanish out there, and
there were Spanish speakers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So the food pretty good, pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But anyway, I read this script and it was called
The Road to Recovery, and no, it's not a drug
addicts road to recovery. It's it's a little girl, fifteen
year old girl with brain cancer, and it's her, it's
her road to recovery, and I play her father. And
it's basically a two hander. This movie just me and
her on a road trip. Maybe should get six months?
(12:36):
Maybe should get six years. We don't know, but a
really painful movie to play in a difficult role for me,
especially I don't normally do like a method approach. I
came up at the shop with Andrew mcgarryon and John Homa,
and they teach him much more simple, like just fucking
do it, Freddy, Just do it. Know your lines, have
a point of view, have motivation, Know what your challenge is,
(12:58):
know what the obstacle is, right the challenge, And how
does your character approach said challenge. Do they smash through it?
Do they sneak their way around it? Do they run
away from it? Do they leap over it? Whatever it
is that you just stay true to that right, And
that's how I always approached rom comms. But this was different,
and this felt like it needed a different like a
greater level of commitment, and so I just kind of
stepped inside and wanted to see how it felt. And
(13:21):
it felt horrible, but it was the best work that
I was ever capable of doing.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So it was this strand. And I spoke with a
friend of.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Mine who's a method actor and a really talented one,
and he's actually an Academy Award winner, and I spoke
to him about just sort of how to do this
and how to live it, and that's what he said.
He was like, you just have to live it. If
he doesn't drink, you don't drink. They were all going
to the whole cast and crew were going to go
to a Billie Eilish concert and he was like, my
character's name is Tom. And I was talking to him.
(13:52):
I was like, I don't think I should go, and
he's like, would Tom go? That's the character's name. I
was like, no, Tom doesn't have any friends, Like his
whole life is his daughter.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
He's like, then you shouldn't go. So I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Man, I missed out on a concert that was really good.
Everybody had a good time. But that was sort of
the discipline that was necessary in my mind to give
the performance that this guy deserved. And it was a
ton of fun. I just I loved every moment of
this movie. And I got to work with great people
like Thomas Lennon. I don't know if you guys remember
that show Reno nine to one one, but he was Dangle.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And he's also a great writer as well and wrote
a lot of that show.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I got to work with him which was wonderful. I
got to work with Sarah Shahee who's worked with The
Rock and been in a bunch of other movies as well.
And Ryan Kira Armstrong, who's the lead that was the
girl who played my daughter. She was on that Star
Wars show with Jude Law and she booked the lead
role on My Wife's Buffy remake.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I just think.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
She's wonderful and one of those old souls that's in
a young person's body, Like when you see those young
child actors and you're like, oh my god, they seem
like they're sixty years old. It's one of those kids
right where they're just wise beyond their years. And the
director was Taylor Scout Compton. She was a child actor,
so she knows how to end. She's a grown up
actor too, but she really knows how to communicate with actors,
(15:07):
so trust was easy to develop between the two of us.
And she wrote the script as well, based on personal
experiences with her father when he was battling cancer. And
I just thought it was a wonderful story that I
had to do, and that's why I had to leave
for a month and leave you guys, leave my podcast,
leave my family, leave my dogs, leave my two cool cars,
(15:29):
leave my neighborhood, leave my house, leave everything that I
love and that I'm comfortable with, and go to a
you know, a tiny little hotel in Tulsa and just
be alone and take walks in the cold and the rain.
I make it sound so sad, but it was a
great experience and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Man, it was. It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
And I've talked about this when we have guests on,
especially in season two, where I would say, you know,
I have these guests on a lot to inspire people
to not quit on their dreams, because no matter how
long it takes, you can eventually get there. People quit
give up and you move up the list just by
necessity because there's less people dreaming. So don't give up
on your dreams. Keep chasing him and keep listening to
(16:09):
this show. We'll see you next Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Peace,
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