October 8, 2025 • 42 mins
This week, we dive into WWE's recent struggles, from rising ticket prices to dwindling attendance. Jeff Dye and I dissect the state of the company and discuss the controversial ownership of TKO. We also break down the latest in AEW's sixth anniversary celebrations, including some major storylines involving Samoa Joe, Kenny Omega, and Andrade.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Wrestling with Freddy, Wrestling with Friends as
it's been for the last few years, Wrestling with Freddy
as it's known corporately. That's right, I'm a corpo scumbag,
just like those mother truckers at WWE. Which we'll get
into with me is my co host, Jeff Die. We're
going to get into a big week of wrestling. We
had Dominic Mysterio getting another victory. We had Cody and
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seth Rawlins almost coming to blow SmackDown, had Paul Hayman
stirring the pot a e W celebrated six years, Samoa
Joe stabbed Adam Paige in the back, and Omega Kenny
Omega's return the Kallous family adding two new soldiers. We
got a lot to talk about. Let's start this damn show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And now your main event, introducing the hosts Wrestling with Freddy,
Jeff Dyed and Freddy Friends.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Tune all right, Jeff, I might have fucked up the
cold open, but I'm not going to suck up the show.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's stumbled a couple of times. I don't like stumbling.
I don't like stumblings. I like when it sounds clean, clean, clean.
The opposite of clean is dirty, and a lot of
people feel that WW is doing them dirty right now, Jeff,
real dirty. The price hikes are no joke. Attendance is down.
Some reports suggest five thousand fewer fans on recent SmackDown
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shows compared to prior stops. If you don't know, five
thousand is a big number. That's not good. Ticket prices
are turning into a bit of a barrier, especially for WrestleMania.
The get in tickets are absurdly expensive. WWE just announced
WrestleMania forty two, that's in twenty twenty six. The pricing
is going to range from about eight hundred and fifty
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four dollars for upper levels to almost ten grand for
ringside floor seats. You think this was a Mike Tyson
fight in nineteen eighty seven, it's not. The general average
ticket price for WrestleMania in twenty twenty five is being
cited at about twelve hundred dollars, So that's going to
be up one hundred and forty percent over the last
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ten years. I'm all for companies making money, and I'm
all for prices risings as values rise over the years.
But TKO and we're going to kind of dive deep
into this jet, but I want to get your point
of view before I kind of throw a monkey in
the wrench here. TKO bought this to make money, not
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because they like wrestling, not to advance wrestling, not to
push wrestling forward, not to get more fans of wrestling,
although you could argue they're trying to get Latino fans
with the Stephanie Bucket Championship and the pushing of Triple
A and Latino wrestlers and storylines and stuff like that.
Everybody he's trying to get that money right now, including
the super Bowl. But this is getting crazy, dude. Corporate
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greed used to be in the shadows in the nineties, right,
and it took guys like George Carlin to call it
out because the rest of us were blind to it,
and we'd go, hah oh, that George Carlin, he's crazy.
Almost everything that son of a bitch said has come true,
which is creepy. It's scary when sci fi writers and
stand up comedians are profits that predict the future. But
it happens more often than you think. You can ask
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Philip K. Dick. If you don't believe me, google it.
This is just a money grab, Jeff, and I want
to I want to throw something at you because I
want to know your opinion on this, and then you
guys can hit us up on our socials on Instagram
if you think I'm crazy or if you think, hey,
you know, Freddy's been kind of prophetic with some of
his business predictions, and maybe he is no Stradamis. I
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don't think TKO is long for owning the WWE. I
don't think this is going to be the owner for
the next twenty thirty forty plus years. I think TKO
bought this quickly. I think they paid more than they to.
I think they want to make as much money as
they can, and then I think they want to get
the fuck out of bed with the wrestling business. And
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I think within the next five years, only five years,
I think they're going to sell to the Southeast outright,
not even have a piece in it. I genuinely think
they're going to do that, and I don't think anybody
else has predicted that. So remember where you heard it
when this deal comes through. And we've been right on
business stuff like this before. But I don't think TKO
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is into WWE at all. They are UFC people. UFC
does not like WWE. I know that for a fact.
I know people that work at UFC. Wrestling is not
their jam. They thought it was weird when TKO bought WWE.
So there's not a lot of love there and there's
not a lot of support there. And they're changing the
business model rapidly as far as the payment of wrestlers
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and the employment of wrestlers. They're changing the pricing model
drastically from where tickets were family priced and now they're
these like elite fight packages, like if going to Madison
Square Garden, although they used to pay people to go
because the knick suck, but like for boxing fights and
stuff like that. This is getting ridiculous, and I think
they want to get out of the business. I think
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that's why they jacked up the prices first of all,
is to try to make as much money as they
can and make it as valuable as they can. And
then I think they're going to try to sell it
to the saudiast Man. What do you think of my
crazy prediction?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got nothing on your prediction except that I hope
you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Me too, By the way, I would be.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So annoyed with that But here's the thing. Some people think,
you know, you've heard the famous line from that movie
that greed is good right everywhere, Yeah, yeah, Gordon Gecko.
And then some people think it's bad to be greedy.
So those are the two camps. But one thing I
will say is that greed is definitely contagious because what
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happens is once you know these PRIs prices are so expensive,
and once these things and then everyone, all the fans
start complaining, oh man, look how expensive it would be
to be ringside when I would never pay for a
ringside seat anyways. Or it's so expensive to pay for
ESPN every month. Everyone's all these things. Guess what the
second that that starts to become a thing. Now we
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know they have money, right, I've even heard you say
that they got the money. I've heard you say that, Freddie,
they got the money, They got the money, they should
pay these wrestlers. Well, now the wrestlers start getting greedy. Well, hey,
you're making all this money, you know you got to
pay me. And then you've got a whole locker room
of nine hundred talented men and women who are like,
well show me the money, or I'll go to a
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w and then Aw's like, well, you know, we need
to start raising our ticket prices, we need to start
doing monthly pay per views and all this stuff. It's
just this contagiousness of greed. So what like, it's just
how corporations work, it's how business works. Things just get
outrageous until they can't anymore, and then they sell to
the sapudies or whatever the heck is going to happen.
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So I'm not sure if it's where this is headed.
I'm not sure how it's going to end, whether it
be well or good. But if you want these wrestlers
to get paid, and you want Roman reigns to be
treated like the Lebron James of wrestling, that money's got
to come from somewhere. And so these guys like at
TKO and WWE, they they've got to they screw us
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to pay these wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You know, the one thing I would push back on
is I think they the money's already there to pay
the wrestlers, And I have said that before these prices
are to solidified, bonuses to justify ten twenty thirty forty, yes,
fifty million dollar bonuses, No executive of a product should
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be making that much money. No executive of a Brad
Pitt movie should be making more than Brad Pitt. Nobody's
going there to see the movie because Warner Brothers produced it,
or because Sony produced it. They're going there because Brad
Pitt's a fucking stud and they love him and they
love those movies. Nobody went to Tom cruise because Paramount's
so cool. Nobody saw a Top Gun because of that,
they were like, oh shit, Tom Cruiseman another Top Gun movie.
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They don't care who made it. They just care who's
in it and who directed it. That's what people care about.
And then to a certain degree, deeper down the line,
who wrote it, they go, oh, I like that writer.
But no one's ever said, oh man, that executive makes
some good movies. Like no nobody's ever said that. And
it's the same in wrestling, and it's the same in UFC.
Their pay model in UFC is to pay these guys,
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accept the top dudes, the bare minimum that you can pay.
That's why they do those fifty thousand dollars bonuses because
the show money is like thirty and thirty or something
like that. It's not thirty grand and thirty grand by
the way. That's not good. And I think they're trying
to do a similar thing to the wrestlers now by
offering them less money than what they were making. It's
not like the wrestlers are saying, hey, we want to
a share of the profits and this kind of stuff.
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They're saying, no, we don't want the prices to go
our salaries to go down. Why are you cutting salary
when you're making more money. That's crazy. We're the reason
you're making more money. Pay us what we're we feel
we are worth, and then we can argue who's worth
what as long as you want. But that's where I
feel they're coming from. But yeah, that's the only thing
I would push back on is I don't think they're
raising prices to justify the cost of their employees. I
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think they're raising prices to justify the cost of the
bonuses that they want to make so they can buy
that third and fourth and fifth home, so they can,
you know, get that one out of six car that's
only in it. None of them are in America and
now they where do.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You get that? Though?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
What makes you think that that that the money's going
to the executives? What makes you think that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, in Hollywood, that's how it works. Now. Once the
corporations came in, Like at Warner Brothers, they had an
executive who was literally making fifty million dollar bonuses as
a bonus. Now the stockholders found out about that, got
pissed off and reduced it drastically, But that's that's money.
He was making fifty million dollars and I just can't
imagine anybody seeing a Warner Brothers movie because of him.
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And this is you know what I mean. It's the
same executive that canceled the back Woman or back Row movie,
whatever they were going to call it, and took an
insurance gain on it. So you know, these are the
reason I say corporations are all the same is because
every executive I've met, minus I'm trying to be nice
here now, every executive I've met has basically been the same.
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And they're in it for the money. They're not in
it for the work, they're not in it for the art.
They're in it for the influence, the fame, the cars,
the chicks, the houses, and it's it's always been that way.
And I've met a lot of executives, I know, heads
of networks, I know heads of studios. I've met them,
and they're all pretty much the same, dude. The chicks
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are all pretty much the same, dude. Like they're all
they're all. It's a certain kind of mentality, right, Like
certain people can be a comedian, you have to be funny.
It takes a certain person to be a great lawyer.
You have to be willing to lie. You have to
be willing to be creative and create a story. A
certain person can be a singer. You have to be
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able to sing. Like, certain people are just built for
certain jobs based on how they're raised, how they come up,
what they see, what they aspire to be, what they
dream of getting one day. And some people dream of
nothing but cash, and that's the field. You get in
for cash, And that's fine if that's your dream. Like
I would say this to quote something you said from
another quote, I disagree that greed is good. I disagree
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with Gordon Gecko and Michael Douglas. I say ambition is
good because ambition expands business right, It challenges other ideas.
It makes other people in the same field better because
they have to improve because you came in and your
ambition puts you over the top, whereas greed I think
is always bad once once you're in it. For that,
I think it's always bad. We've spent a lot of
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time talking about this. I hope we're not pouring you guys.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Bad money is good, but greed and doing anything to
get that money is is evil.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, if you're stepping on others to get yours, that's
when I'm like, Eh, that's kind of gross. And you're
just not talented enough to get it on your own,
so you got to get it off the backs of
other people, which sucks. Let's talk some wrestling, dude. People
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are kind of bummed at w W E. Layley numbers
aren't good on Netflix. We mentioned earlier that attendance is
a little bit down. A lot of the criticism, and
I get it. I don't think this is with every
story a lot of criticisms. They're relying way too heavily
on nostalgic returns, brand equity, and they're not pushing the
news stars enough. Jeff, how do you feel about that?
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You think that's that's kind of the move they're in
right now.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah. I think with the you know, the John Sina's
last tour, last ride has made it attempts at nostalgia
and attempts at those kind of things. So I totally
agree with that. I'm enjoying the product, though I'm like, surprisingly.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You and I are the only ones. I guess, Yeah,
I still like it.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I feel like I'm all in, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I've liked what's been going on with EO and
her conflict and now they have a match built up
and we'll get into predictions on the Thursday show, you guys,
not on this one. I think they've laid off on
some of or they're trying to find the right Latino
that they want to push, but they're still giving time
to the Latinos to have their storylines. I think they're
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still being really broad and with a lot of these stories,
and maybe that's what people are liking, because broad isn't specific.
It's the opposite of specific.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
There's plenty of broads. Just watch NXT, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
There's two broads here, there's two. But yeah, so I
get why people are getting frustrated and mad. And I
guess maybe it's maybe TV and movies are the same,
like it goes in cycles, like it's good for a while,
then it takes time to come up with another great idea,
and so you kind of recycle some other stuff that's worked.
I know, like a lot of serial TV shows do that.
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A lot of movies do that, because that's the note
from executives, like movies don't work unless you have ABC
D e FG. So maybe it's that. But I hear you, guys.
I'm more forgiving, and I offer a lot more latitude
before I start getting hard on my criticism. But you're
not wrong. All right, You're not wrong. I'm not saying
you are. And I've seen it too. Eighty Dubs has
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been doing better, I think with story lately, and WWE
had been dominating them with story before the last say,
six to eight to six to eight months. Let's recap raw,
shall we do? All right? We opened with seth Rawlins
coming out looking like he works in a Vegas Showgirls
show as always.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
By the way, he had like six inch heels on.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, what was that? By the way, Tiffany Stratton's on
SmackDown which he could barely steps.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, because I've been pretty generous about not criticizing this
dude's close. The shoulder pads and the frilly things and
the double j Jeff Jarrett. Female blouses all fine, but
the dude he had full on is like six inch heels.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, they were legit bigger than to Phonny Stratton's on SmackDown.
And she could barely climb the steps with her heels
on it, which was hysterical. Yeah, we were texting when
we were watching the show and you were like, dude,
what are what kind of shoes are? And I hadn't
even seen him, and I looked and it was just
like Jesus Christ, my man's got some stilts. Believe it. Yeah,
very Las Vegas, a very show girl, but that's kind
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of his thing. Dude. He kind of does his thing
and owns it. And it's like the male version of
Charlotte Flair with the wardrobe. Man. He comes out and
peacocks are round. Anyway, he came out, He talked about leadership,
talked about control, and he talked about the future of
the WWE running through him. He said this before, So
if you think they're recycling some stuff, maybe they are.
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They do have an analytic there that they follow pretty closely,
which is fans watch about one episode per month and
so That's why they repeat their story so often before
the pay per view is because they believe. They believe
in that analytic The hardcore fans who are watching every
week are like, dude, you just said this and there
are answer would be yeah, but a lot of people
didn't see it. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. I'm
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just telling you what their philosophy is on that shit.
So anyway, Rollins tells Cody that he was never his friend,
he had no shitdr You wrestled him when his chest
muscle was ripped off. That's not cool and you lost,
by the way, sucker. He talked about Crown Jewel, which
will be in Australia this year, and again we'll get
into predictions. That's going to be the hardest match to
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predict for me out of all the matches at Crown Jewel,
by the way, but he said, this is less about belts, Jeff,
and it's more about pride, leadership and control. Have you
ever had beef with a comic that was less about
who was the best and more about pride, leadership and control.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
No, but this whole this whole segment did remind me
of a lot of comedy beefs or like a lot
of stand up comedy situations or relationships, you know, you
got to be in the same bit. I'm guessing it's
all business. It's not just comedy or wrestling, but like
there's a guy you're trying to work it out with,
you're bumping heads, and then you're like, maybe someday we
can have mutual respect now, but maybe someday we can
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be buddies. I identified so much with the Cody Rhodes part
of that, and then like for seth Rawlins to just
be like we will we were never friends and we'll
never be friends. I was trying to like, you almost
think that's what the other person is thinking. Nobody would
ever be that honest in real life and just say
that to your face. But you're like, that's what you
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fear that they're thinking. I don't know. The whole segment
was great. I identified with that a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's cool. Yeah, for me, it was more it was
more about Cody being like the company guy, and I
was I was praying that he didn't say it, or
that he wasn't gonna say it, and then he did,
or he went to the to the audience and he's like,
we don't have the control you guys control, And I
hate that, man. It's just one of those pet peeve
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things that I have where I'm like, man, it's I
want them to be a part of the show too.
But we do that too much now. We we're giving
credit too often that save that for a promo after
you win a big match. I couldn't have done it
without you, guys. I could hear you screaming, I could
hear you chanting, and it gave me the energy to
get up and finish this damn match. And I thank
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you for that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Also, all the fans are good. We don't have control.
What are you talking about. We've been chanting carrying Cross,
We've been chanting La Night. We had to chance see
him punk for fifteen years to get him back. So
like the fans are going, what do you mean we
have control? What? We don't have any We can barely
afford to sit here. What do you mean we have control?
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We watched because we like it, but we don't have
any control.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So we've got them coming to Australia for the impossible
match for me to call. I might even abstain from
that one. We'll see, even though that's a weak move.
Next up the Man, the living Legend, the Mysterio myth
Dominic Mysterio, the Intercontinental Champion versus Russef. Thought Russef was
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gonna beat my guy? Is that what you thought, Jeff Raw?
No wrong. As Charlie Murphy would say, rest in peace.
Dominic does what he does, Baby, He outsmarted that big
dumb meathead tricked him. The ref wasn't looking. He do
what you gotta do. Man, No blood, no foul, ref
doesn't see it. Ref doesn't call it. It's not a foul.
Got him a little bit, a little bit low, a
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little bit low, rolled him up. The ref was there, professional,
counted the one two three. We commend the referee on fine,
fine work. We criticized the referees when they f up.
I didn't see any f ups in this match, Jeff.
All I saw was studley. Dominic Mysterio earned the respect
of the WWE universe and probably probably got a few
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more ladies to fall in love with him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Whoever choreographed this match did fantastic girth. Look.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, this was match of the week, straight up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I don't know what the terms are for putting a
match together, but whoever did this. He did a good
job of making the ref look realistic, Like the ref
shouldn't be such a dope that you're like, how did
he not just hear? You know, because sometimes the restaurer
will get in the ring, like sneak in the ring,
and the ref is completely like oblivious, like looks like
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a dummy, like acting like you didn't see like everyone
could see it. Everyone's cheering. Also, the canvas is like shaking,
you didn't notice that someone walked in. But like, this
match was a good job of the referee going. I
saw that and then and like he was noticing things.
The low blow was perfectly secretive enough that like you
wouldn't see it if you're a referee match. I thought
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it was very grounded in reality. So I liked that.
Good job on that making the refs look real.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I love that match. I had a ton of fun
watching it. The next match was pretty good too, but
it's not important. What's important is where it goes from here.
With AJ Styles, we had AJ Styles and Dragon Lee
defeat los somebody Connell's styles class for the win. You
could see ajas finisher, which is what you might see
when he fights John Cena. Maybe I don't know, or
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John Cena might get the win. You'll get our prediction.
On Thursday Show, the USOS defeated the Vision in a
Tornado tag match, so Tornado they have more experience with that,
so that kind of benefits the USOS. But they wouldn't
have won if Roman Reigns hadn't returned. Jeff, he's back.
He's helping the family. It tips the balance of the
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war with the Vision. Bronson and Reeds still look like monsters,
but Roman's presence has changed the landscape. Are we gonna
go to a war games? Are we gonna go to
another wargames? With the OTC, the USOS and whoever else
they can get versus these scumbags in the Vision? Just kidding.
I like all the guys in the Vision. I'd call
you guys scumbags because I'm supposed to, but I think
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you're really cool. But we got the return of Roman
Reigns in the crowd always gets happy when they hear
his music. Jeff, how about you.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I'm happy Rains is back. This is where these guys belong.
You know, I've said this a billion times but to
my buddies, But maybe it's time I say it here,
I don't need all these wrestlers like just this this second,
they get some success, like I'll be a movie star now.
Can I go be in Spider Man? Can I go
be in Street Fighter? Can I go be in a sitcom?
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Can I be? It's like, knock it off, your wrestlers,
your your your abandonment of your original craft so quickly
is so it's it's gross to me, Like like that
they'll have something, they'll be like I've always wanted to
be an actor. You're like, well, be a wrestler. That's
how we know you. Maybe you should have sat in
Studio City, in a crappy apartment and went to a
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bunch of auditions over and over. If you wanted to
be an actor, don't use wrestling as your springboard to
be an actor. If that was your dream, What a
cowardly way to get to your dream. I don't like that.
I don't like that how fast they all want to
become movie stars.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I agree with that springboard thing. I don't like when
people use one thing to get to another and they
don't take it seriously. I agree with that, but I
do what.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I like to think that wrestling was their dream. I
don't like to think that they that they were like, well,
I wanted to be a movie star, and so I
did wrestling for a decade. Like that's dumb. I think
brock Lessner like he just kind of found his way
into wrestling. I think he wanted to be like a
UFC guy, or just like he wanted to be like
a big, strong guy and wrestling was a nice kind
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of like other place for that. But like you didn't
see rock Lessner immediately being like how do I get
on the expendables? How do I get on these things
and leave wrestling every four months for some sort of project.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, what about if the opportunities are coming to you,
you're not actively seeking the opportunities, and then the opportunity
comes to you and you're like, oh, that sounds interesting.
I might like to try that, cause like there's got
to be room for secondary dreams, right, Yeah. But I
don't think like Roman Reigns was seeking out Hollywood when
he got in the wrestling business. I think he was like, yo,
I'm a lifer, and some opportunities just came his way.
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Brock Lesner had a secondary dream fighting the UFC, so
he left for a little while did the UFC thing,
you know, so there's room for secondary dreams. I think
if the opportunity comes your way, but like you, if
you're using it and you never planned on being in
it in the first place, you just using it to
get to Hollywood, then yeah, that does seem a little if.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think I'm just being selfish, if I'm honest, because
I totally understand that if you were in wrestling and
having some success and then all of a sudden they're like, you,
would you like to be in this movie? That's a
very exciting opportunity. But it is annoying to me that
we you know, we'll lose you know Lexi for you
know what's that girls in it? No Live, We'll lose
Live Morgan for like a month and a half, and
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all everyone's talking about it is she's going to be
in a movie. She's gonna be in a movie. She's
gonna I don't care put her in wrestling. I want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
What if you were sick at baseball and the Dodgers
or the Mariners were like, Jeff, we know you're doing
this comedy thing, but we'd like to invite you to
spring training and we're taking this seriously, and you've got
a great shot to make the team, but you have
to travel with the team. You can't do comedy. Now,
that's an opportunity that came to you because you can
hit dingers.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Then so absurd that I can't even I can't. It's
but also it's just so like one in con nine million,
Like I can't even come up with a number that
that would be a possibility. However, I will, of course
I would do it, but I would expect people to
hate me and go, what is this bozo doing out there?
I don't expect people like Jeff Dye to talk trash
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about me on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. Man, when I did that Baseball movie back in
the day, I had like like fantasies and dreams of like,
you know, mate, what if like a scout heard that
I was throwing really hard and like came to check
it out. That would be pretty sick. Granted I was
not throwing hard enough for anyone to come look, but
harder than Charlie Sheen. Baby tapped out eighty six eighty six. Baby,
his pitch was eighty four eighty four, eighty six. Yeah,
(25:47):
I got up to eighty six miles an hour on
the gun, bro. But I was young still. I was
in my twenties.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Mabe, I don't care. That's really hard to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Throwing fire, like really hard to do. Yeah, man, that's
what the This guy his name was Mike Roboto and
he was in the Mets minor league system as a catcher,
and he was like, dude, you're throwing hard as fuck.
And I was like, really, how hard do you think
I'm throwing. He goes, we're getting the gun and they
measured me at eighty four, eighty six and eighty eighty
two something like that. Yeah, I threw three on the
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gun hard. Your boy can throw hard. I threw really
hard to Ken Griffy Junior, and he fucking hit it
out of the fucking ballpark.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That part checks out for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And they asked him to hit it to a specific
part of the field they wanted. They said, hey, Junior,
they called him. They said, Junior, do you think you
could hit it over the welcome to Synergy field sign?
This was back when they played a Synergy and he goes,
he goes, oh, yeah, no problem, and I'm standing right
there and I was like, dude, take it easy, man,
I'll just say no problem like that. So the first
pitch I threw him, instead of gas, which I was
(26:47):
supposed to throw, I threw a change up. He just
didn't even look at it. He just let it drop
and it was like, Nah, dude, I'm not falling for
your bullshit. And so then I threw my hardest pitch
that I could throw. I don't know how hard. It
was probably about like eighty two because I hadn't pitched
in a while. This is we shot this part of
the movie like a couple months later during the real
baseball season, and he fucking hit this ball so hard
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it was out of the park before my head could
whip around to look where it went. And you can
see it in the movie like when he hits it,
it literally is on camera for a millisecond and it's
just crack boom gone. And then we looked and then
someone threw a ball over this s energy field side
so it'd go a little slower and you could actually
see it. But he hit it in the perfect fucking spot. Man.
That's how good Ken Griffith Junior was and how shitty
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I was, a faceing sorry for the side quest. Then
we had some Friday Night SmackDown. I'm not gonna lie, Jeff,
not my favorite episode ever. Wasn't loving the storytelling that much,
Paul Haymon interrupted, Cody Rhodes tried to put a little
seed of doubt with him and his bro Randy Orton,
but it all just seemed a little clunky to me,
like when you watch a scene that's just not edited correctly,
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Like everyone's doing a good job, but the edits are weird.
You're like, why is it on this guy's face when
this guy's talking, and why is it on this guy's
face when he's talking. It just felt a little warm me,
So I wasn't that into it. And then the matches
were sort of like tag team, tag team, tag team,
and it wasn't a really hot show until Sammy's Ain
Baby samyse Ain the blue collar American even though he's
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Canadian French Canadian, that is, he wrestled Alistair Black and
it was supposed to be him, It was supposed to
be my man, what's his face? Uh, Carmelo Carmelo Hayes,
Thank you, sir, Carmelo Hayes. And then Alistair Black comes
and steps over him the way Allen Iverson stepped over
Tyron Lou in the fucking finals, just mad disrespect and
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he's like, yo, I wrestle, you don't even trip and
Sammy z Ain's like, let's get it on, and they
had a great match the end, Priest came in and
so that then it got a little wild and messy.
But you can see kind of where this feud is going.
Let me say something now that I mentioned Priest. Have
you noticed this too or is it just me? When
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he was on Monday Night Raw, whoever was writing for
him was doing a pretty good job, and I thought
Damian Priest was getting over fairly fairly well with all
the Judgment Day stuff and all that when he got
kicked out the Judgment Day. Since he's been on SmackDown,
I haven't really connected to a single promo that he's
cut backstage or in ring. It's been weird. Dude. It's
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like he's buried and he's not. He's getting segments, they're
just not I don't think they're powerful enough. And I
think he's good enough to pull good ship off. Man.
I don't know what's going on over there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I feel like SmackDown in general is the B show
you know, it's it's it's very like secondary might because
it's on Friday night, or like I don't know what
what why or what? It is a tough it's it's
a tough watch. It feels like an afterthought compared to
Raw or any of the ples.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You know, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Very clunky. It has moments, you know, but for the
most part you're just like, what is what are they doing?
Alistair Black looked good And I love what sammy'sz Ain's
doing with this open invitation for anyone to come out
and wrestle him for the for the that put belt,
and that's continuously been good and a great way to
give other wrestlers who maybe don't have as much eyes
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on a match like a big match.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Totally what it's for.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's helping Sammyzine, it's helping the belt. It's helping guys
who aren't getting eyes get like a match like the
couple weeks ago, the dude from NXT that came up
and had a great match against Sammuzein that was huge
for him, the guy from Greensboro, North Carolina. But the
reason I'm saying this is now I'm in my wrestling
mind going, well, how are they gonna creatively lose this
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match to Sammy's ain because you know that nobody's gonna
beat him, So it's just kind of going, all right, well,
how is Alista Blacks dominating this match? How are they
gonna have him lose? So it's almost like a scramble
to see how the finish is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm totally with you
on that. All right, you guys, it's AW time time
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for some AEWU because it was the sixth anniversary. Now,
throughout the night, AW played some highlights of the last
six years. It wasn't my favorite highlight package, but they
did a pretty good job. They've done better though. They've
had some incredible moments in just six short years. It's
also important to note how pivotal, or how important rather
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it is to have more than one major promotion in
professional wrestling. It means more jobs, more money, not just
for the wrestlers, but for all the behind the scenes people,
the camera people, the grips, the electricians, the ring builders.
Like all these people, this is their job. It's this
or their you know, working on a concert for Taylor
Swift and trying to put her in a box and
(31:51):
nobody can see her get to stage. Who cares? Just
let her walk the stage. I never understood where a
hider in a box and sneaker over to the stage,
like let her just walk like Bruce Springsteen used to do.
Like who cares? Man, nobody cares, nobody cares, Just walk anyway,
I digress. So six years, Jeff, do you have a
couple favorite moments from the last six years of ae W.
(32:15):
Mine's when Danielson won the championship and when CM punk debuted.
Those would be my two favorite what about you?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I don't have like any specific moments, but when I
was thought of this boy, when I read this question,
I thought of just how many times MJF has impressed
me the many chapters of MJF. He didn't change his character,
he didn't change his wrestling sensibilities, but there's been so
many different things he's done, whether he's best friends with
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Adam Cole or whether he's feuding with CM Punk. And
it's just this promo off, you know, just like promo
to promo each week was amazing. I'm just so impressed
with MJF. And anytime I think of aw in my
mind immediately goes to him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, dude, he just did that Tables and Tax match,
which is bloody and gruesome and gross. And this is
the same dude that got the fucking kangaroo kickover yah,
you know what I mean, Like the same dude that
was doing comedy wrestling just a few months ago, maybe
a year ago with Adam Cole, where he was like,
I'm gonna dive out of the ring. No, I'm scared. No,
you can do it. No, I'm too scared. Like he
went from doing full comedy wrestling a kangaroo kick where
(33:27):
he poses like a freaking kangaroo to one of the bloodiest,
gooriest matches you can do and everything in between. Dude,
mgff's the man.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He should have been dynamic for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, that should have been. All of My favorite moments
were MJF moments. I loved when he came out in
white with seampunk and I was like, Oh, someone's about
to bleed. Someone's about to bleed, and then they bled
all over the place. All right, here we go. Wait
what I'm into blood now? I can't help it. Hangman Page,
Samoa Joe and Hobbes And when he came on the TV.
(33:59):
I was cooking dinner and my wife goes, holy shit,
who's that. I was like, that's Will Powerhouse Hobbs Baby.
He was like, yo, that's big. She likes all above dudes.
So it was Hobbs, Samoa Joe and Hangman Page versus
the Death Writers, which this time consisted of John Moxley,
Claudio Castick Noley, and Ryan Daniel Garcia. Ryan Garcia is
(34:22):
the boxer fretting. He's still screwing that up, unprofessional son
of a bitch. Anyway, the good guys won the match
as they should. Cloudio took the pin because he's a
gentleman and he knew that that would protect Daniel, who's
new to the group, and keep him looking like a
wild card, and protect Moxley. What a what a kind
what a kind man taking the fall for the team
like that. It's a big win. But that was not
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the story, sir. The story is leading up for Wreussell Dream,
Wressell Dream. Samoa Joe turned on Adam Page and he said, Yo, man,
you might have beat all these other suckers, but you've
never beaten me, and I'm gonna beat the champ again.
I'm to be the child. I'm big ass Samoa Joe,
and the crowd's gonna scream Joe, Joe Joe. It's the
(35:05):
only song that I know all the lyrics to in
professional wrestling, and then they're gonna sing Joe is Gonna
kill you. I love the crowd when Samoa Joe's out
there because they love Samoa Joe. I love Samojo in general.
I'm glad that he's healthy and wrestling, and I'm excited
to see these dudes match. And Adam Hangman Page has
been growing on me, dude, he really has. He had
(35:25):
that promo in Mexico where he spoke all in Spanish
and he wasn't able to do that like that yelling thing, right,
Like his go to is I'm gonna start yelling and
showing you that I'm passionate about wrestling, and that works.
But it only works on a couple of lines, right.
If you keep that going too long, then you have
to sort of break that up where it becomes monotonous.
When he was speaking Spanish, he couldn't think to do
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that because he's thinking about the translation. And he came
off so vulnerable and honest and open and cool, and
some of that has stuck with him since that promo,
and I find him a lot calmer in a lot
of these and he's saving that passion, and like in
the Kyle Fletcher drama, he's saving that passion for certain
specific moments where he's like, no, I normally he'd be like,
(36:07):
I see a lot of me and you from that,
and he's like, I see a lot of myself in you,
but what you need to understand is that you don't
have one. And then he's going in on him, and
I think that's super smart. And I like seeing these
guys grow. I like seeing their talent grow. This guy's
been a wrestler for a long time, so you can
teach an old dog new tricks. And I think this
one kind of happened organically for him. I'm excited to
see the match. Dude, what about you?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, I think less is more with that kind of stuff.
I think he nailed it. Like Jake the Snake never
like raised his voice in a promo. He was calm.
It had this like this, this like it. It's just
people's different acting styles, I guess, but like, if you
want it to seem realistic, you've got to make it
seem like I don't know, you know, like the way
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you would talk dominic Mysterio's really natural when he does
his stuff. He's never raising his voice or doing a stick.
And some wrestlers can pull that off, you know, like
Pauli Hayman is so big, you know, ladies and gentleman,
but like he pulls it off. But like for some people,
like you gotta find you gotta find where your zone
is to make it more realistic.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That's dead on, dude. It took me a long time
to figure him out. Like I look back at like
my older work and go, man, I wish I could
have been more vulnerable. I wish that would have looked
more honest. And I was in my forties when I
figured it out, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Still figuring it out. It's a pace, it's like a rhythm.
It's a pause. Sometimes it's it's a volume. There's a
lot of little ways to dial it in. I one
hundred percent agree with what you said about Adam Hangman
hanging at a page about like the shouting came off
like nervous almost, but like.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Totally I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
And that's not as convincing. But you need so you know.
So anyways, I love what he's doing now and I
think he I think he's sky's the limit for him.
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Kenny Omega made his return. Him and Broddo defeated Josh
Alexander and the Young Buck. It was poor Young bucks
man had it They have a tough They have it tough.
They gambled all their money away, so now all that
cash has gone. I felt so bad, and you knew
it was gonna happen. I would have liked to have
seen in that package that they shot some of the
losses so that it would help tell that story a
(38:17):
little bit better when he's just standing there at the
end with the empty bag, if I'd have shot that,
That's how I would have done it. But I still
thought it was really funny, and I think they're doing
a good job with their characters right now and helping
them grow, going from scumbags to like humbold Anyway, that's
not the story. After the match, guess who returned not
to be a nice guy, not to welcome Kenny Omega back,
(38:37):
but to hit him with his finisher, And that was
freaking andrade Elle well yet not I was gonna say
El Clone, but he's Eli Dolo El Clone is also
in the Don Kallis family now, but we'll talk about
that later, or maybe we won't. But Andrede's back. He
took the mask off, he's got the long hair, he's
got the body beat him up. And the most important
(38:57):
part is he joined the Callous family and has Don
Callous speaking for him. Now, this is what Andrede has
needed since day one. Day one in WWE, he needed
a manager. He had one, Selina Vega. She crushed it.
They took her away from him all of a sudden.
He wasn't able to communicate story except inside the rings stories.
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His English wasn't wasn't strong enough to be able to
get a shit over, and for whatever reason, they wouldn't
do subtitles and let him speak Spanish. Having Don Kallus
in your corner is like having Teddy Atlas in the
nineties in your corner. If you're a boxing fan, it's
like having Mick if you're a movie fan from Rocky
saying this little angel on your shoulder, and anytime you
(39:41):
go down, he's gonna say, cut up, your son of
a bitch, because Mickey loves you. That's Don Kallus only
he's going to talk for Andrede. He's gonna put Andrede
over big time every single week, and this will be
the chance for him to get over finally in between
his WWE and AW runs. And I think think it
could work. Dude, what did you think?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I don't have many thoughts on any of this, Andrade
being back in AW, I am. I'm puzzled. You know,
it was he was what two weeks ago he was
in w Yeah, so it's very strange. Also, I just
don't know what they're going to do with this, you know,
I think you said it or maybe I'm just reading it,
(40:24):
but maybe both. But like, the Callous Family is growing
like the nWo. That's a that's a dangerous idea. The
nWo was one of the greatest things that ever happened
in wrestling, but it just grew too much. It was
not exclusive to be in the nWo. It was after
a while everyone was in the endview, You're like, you're
like Lex Luger, the company guy is in the nWo.
(40:46):
You know, like if you had everybody like in there
so much so that it became like, well, now there's
the red nWo, and now there's the White nWo, and
then there's the Original wolf Pack nWo. There's so many
different little factions of the action that it became very confusing.
So the Callous Family, it's you know, I hope that
(41:06):
it succeeds more than the Chris Jericho group that they made.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know, it seems the Appreciation Society. Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Feels kind of like that in my opinion. But I'm
you know, I'm here for it. I'm watching still, so
I you know, we'll see what we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Finally, we had Kyle Fletcher and Orange Cassidy. We got
another member to the Callous Family. I'll clone the fake hologram,
and he effed up the finish, not like screwed it up,
but he effed it up for Orange Cassidy and Kyle
Fletcher got to win on what was a pretty good
match until the till the end. So to wrap up,
you guys got a long show today. You guys are
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usually like men, it's thirty minutes of commercials, two minutes
of action. Well this time you got like forty minutes
of commercials and one minute of action. Oh in your face.
So anyway, Monday Night, ra gave us Roman Reigns his return,
Cody versus Rawlins is starting to boil over. SmackDown teased
a little Cody and Orton implosion via Paul Hayman, and
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we had six years of Dynamite. We end up with
Page versus Joe, Omega versus the Kallus Family, and some
more TNT title shenanigans. They're loading up for wrestled Dream,
which we will predict next week and wrestling. You know,
it wasn't the best week in wrestling, but we still
love it. That's it for Wrestling with Freddy. Don't forget
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Welcome back to Wrestling with Freddy, Wrestling with Friends as
it's been for the last few years, Wrestling with Freddy
as it's known corporately. That's right, I'm a corpo scumbag,
just like those mother truckers at WWE. Which we'll get
into with me is my co host, Jeff Die. We're
going to get into a big week of wrestling. We
had Dominic Mysterio getting another victory. We had Cody and
(00:24):
seth Rawlins almost coming to blow SmackDown, had Paul Hayman
stirring the pot a e W celebrated six years, Samoa
Joe stabbed Adam Paige in the back, and Omega Kenny
Omega's return the Kallous family adding two new soldiers. We
got a lot to talk about. Let's start this damn show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And now your main event, introducing the hosts Wrestling with Freddy,
Jeff Dyed and Freddy Friends.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Tune all right, Jeff, I might have fucked up the
cold open, but I'm not going to suck up the show.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's stumbled a couple of times. I don't like stumbling.
I don't like stumblings. I like when it sounds clean, clean, clean.
The opposite of clean is dirty, and a lot of
people feel that WW is doing them dirty right now, Jeff,
real dirty. The price hikes are no joke. Attendance is down.
Some reports suggest five thousand fewer fans on recent SmackDown
(01:40):
shows compared to prior stops. If you don't know, five
thousand is a big number. That's not good. Ticket prices
are turning into a bit of a barrier, especially for WrestleMania.
The get in tickets are absurdly expensive. WWE just announced
WrestleMania forty two, that's in twenty twenty six. The pricing
is going to range from about eight hundred and fifty
(02:01):
four dollars for upper levels to almost ten grand for
ringside floor seats. You think this was a Mike Tyson
fight in nineteen eighty seven, it's not. The general average
ticket price for WrestleMania in twenty twenty five is being
cited at about twelve hundred dollars, So that's going to
be up one hundred and forty percent over the last
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ten years. I'm all for companies making money, and I'm
all for prices risings as values rise over the years.
But TKO and we're going to kind of dive deep
into this jet, but I want to get your point
of view before I kind of throw a monkey in
the wrench here. TKO bought this to make money, not
(02:44):
because they like wrestling, not to advance wrestling, not to
push wrestling forward, not to get more fans of wrestling,
although you could argue they're trying to get Latino fans
with the Stephanie Bucket Championship and the pushing of Triple
A and Latino wrestlers and storylines and stuff like that.
Everybody he's trying to get that money right now, including
the super Bowl. But this is getting crazy, dude. Corporate
(03:05):
greed used to be in the shadows in the nineties, right,
and it took guys like George Carlin to call it
out because the rest of us were blind to it,
and we'd go, hah oh, that George Carlin, he's crazy.
Almost everything that son of a bitch said has come true,
which is creepy. It's scary when sci fi writers and
stand up comedians are profits that predict the future. But
it happens more often than you think. You can ask
(03:26):
Philip K. Dick. If you don't believe me, google it.
This is just a money grab, Jeff, and I want
to I want to throw something at you because I
want to know your opinion on this, and then you
guys can hit us up on our socials on Instagram
if you think I'm crazy or if you think, hey,
you know, Freddy's been kind of prophetic with some of
his business predictions, and maybe he is no Stradamis. I
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don't think TKO is long for owning the WWE. I
don't think this is going to be the owner for
the next twenty thirty forty plus years. I think TKO
bought this quickly. I think they paid more than they to.
I think they want to make as much money as
they can, and then I think they want to get
the fuck out of bed with the wrestling business. And
(04:07):
I think within the next five years, only five years,
I think they're going to sell to the Southeast outright,
not even have a piece in it. I genuinely think
they're going to do that, and I don't think anybody
else has predicted that. So remember where you heard it
when this deal comes through. And we've been right on
business stuff like this before. But I don't think TKO
(04:27):
is into WWE at all. They are UFC people. UFC
does not like WWE. I know that for a fact.
I know people that work at UFC. Wrestling is not
their jam. They thought it was weird when TKO bought WWE.
So there's not a lot of love there and there's
not a lot of support there. And they're changing the
business model rapidly as far as the payment of wrestlers
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and the employment of wrestlers. They're changing the pricing model
drastically from where tickets were family priced and now they're
these like elite fight packages, like if going to Madison
Square Garden, although they used to pay people to go
because the knick suck, but like for boxing fights and
stuff like that. This is getting ridiculous, and I think
they want to get out of the business. I think
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that's why they jacked up the prices first of all,
is to try to make as much money as they
can and make it as valuable as they can. And
then I think they're going to try to sell it
to the saudiast Man. What do you think of my
crazy prediction?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got nothing on your prediction except that I hope
you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Me too, By the way, I would be.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So annoyed with that But here's the thing. Some people think,
you know, you've heard the famous line from that movie
that greed is good right everywhere, Yeah, yeah, Gordon Gecko.
And then some people think it's bad to be greedy.
So those are the two camps. But one thing I
will say is that greed is definitely contagious because what
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happens is once you know these PRIs prices are so expensive,
and once these things and then everyone, all the fans
start complaining, oh man, look how expensive it would be
to be ringside when I would never pay for a
ringside seat anyways. Or it's so expensive to pay for
ESPN every month. Everyone's all these things. Guess what the
second that that starts to become a thing. Now we
(06:10):
know they have money, right, I've even heard you say
that they got the money. I've heard you say that, Freddie,
they got the money, They got the money, they should
pay these wrestlers. Well, now the wrestlers start getting greedy. Well, hey,
you're making all this money, you know you got to
pay me. And then you've got a whole locker room
of nine hundred talented men and women who are like,
well show me the money, or I'll go to a
(06:30):
w and then Aw's like, well, you know, we need
to start raising our ticket prices, we need to start
doing monthly pay per views and all this stuff. It's
just this contagiousness of greed. So what like, it's just
how corporations work, it's how business works. Things just get
outrageous until they can't anymore, and then they sell to
the sapudies or whatever the heck is going to happen.
(06:53):
So I'm not sure if it's where this is headed.
I'm not sure how it's going to end, whether it
be well or good. But if you want these wrestlers
to get paid, and you want Roman reigns to be
treated like the Lebron James of wrestling, that money's got
to come from somewhere. And so these guys like at
TKO and WWE, they they've got to they screw us
(07:16):
to pay these wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You know, the one thing I would push back on
is I think they the money's already there to pay
the wrestlers, And I have said that before these prices
are to solidified, bonuses to justify ten twenty thirty forty, yes,
fifty million dollar bonuses, No executive of a product should
(07:41):
be making that much money. No executive of a Brad
Pitt movie should be making more than Brad Pitt. Nobody's
going there to see the movie because Warner Brothers produced it,
or because Sony produced it. They're going there because Brad
Pitt's a fucking stud and they love him and they
love those movies. Nobody went to Tom cruise because Paramount's
so cool. Nobody saw a Top Gun because of that,
they were like, oh shit, Tom Cruiseman another Top Gun movie.
(08:04):
They don't care who made it. They just care who's
in it and who directed it. That's what people care about.
And then to a certain degree, deeper down the line,
who wrote it, they go, oh, I like that writer.
But no one's ever said, oh man, that executive makes
some good movies. Like no nobody's ever said that. And
it's the same in wrestling, and it's the same in UFC.
Their pay model in UFC is to pay these guys,
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accept the top dudes, the bare minimum that you can pay.
That's why they do those fifty thousand dollars bonuses because
the show money is like thirty and thirty or something
like that. It's not thirty grand and thirty grand by
the way. That's not good. And I think they're trying
to do a similar thing to the wrestlers now by
offering them less money than what they were making. It's
not like the wrestlers are saying, hey, we want to
a share of the profits and this kind of stuff.
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They're saying, no, we don't want the prices to go
our salaries to go down. Why are you cutting salary
when you're making more money. That's crazy. We're the reason
you're making more money. Pay us what we're we feel
we are worth, and then we can argue who's worth
what as long as you want. But that's where I
feel they're coming from. But yeah, that's the only thing
I would push back on is I don't think they're
raising prices to justify the cost of their employees. I
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think they're raising prices to justify the cost of the
bonuses that they want to make so they can buy
that third and fourth and fifth home, so they can,
you know, get that one out of six car that's
only in it. None of them are in America and
now they where do.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You get that? Though?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
What makes you think that that that the money's going
to the executives? What makes you think that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, in Hollywood, that's how it works. Now. Once the
corporations came in, Like at Warner Brothers, they had an
executive who was literally making fifty million dollar bonuses as
a bonus. Now the stockholders found out about that, got
pissed off and reduced it drastically, But that's that's money.
He was making fifty million dollars and I just can't
imagine anybody seeing a Warner Brothers movie because of him.
(09:48):
And this is you know what I mean. It's the
same executive that canceled the back Woman or back Row movie,
whatever they were going to call it, and took an
insurance gain on it. So you know, these are the
reason I say corporations are all the same is because
every executive I've met, minus I'm trying to be nice
here now, every executive I've met has basically been the same.
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And they're in it for the money. They're not in
it for the work, they're not in it for the art.
They're in it for the influence, the fame, the cars,
the chicks, the houses, and it's it's always been that way.
And I've met a lot of executives, I know, heads
of networks, I know heads of studios. I've met them,
and they're all pretty much the same, dude. The chicks
(10:32):
are all pretty much the same, dude. Like they're all
they're all. It's a certain kind of mentality, right, Like
certain people can be a comedian, you have to be funny.
It takes a certain person to be a great lawyer.
You have to be willing to lie. You have to
be willing to be creative and create a story. A
certain person can be a singer. You have to be
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able to sing. Like, certain people are just built for
certain jobs based on how they're raised, how they come up,
what they see, what they aspire to be, what they
dream of getting one day. And some people dream of
nothing but cash, and that's the field. You get in
for cash, And that's fine if that's your dream. Like
I would say this to quote something you said from
another quote, I disagree that greed is good. I disagree
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with Gordon Gecko and Michael Douglas. I say ambition is
good because ambition expands business right, It challenges other ideas.
It makes other people in the same field better because
they have to improve because you came in and your
ambition puts you over the top, whereas greed I think
is always bad once once you're in it. For that,
I think it's always bad. We've spent a lot of
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time talking about this. I hope we're not pouring you guys.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Bad money is good, but greed and doing anything to
get that money is is evil.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, if you're stepping on others to get yours, that's
when I'm like, Eh, that's kind of gross. And you're
just not talented enough to get it on your own,
so you got to get it off the backs of
other people, which sucks. Let's talk some wrestling, dude. People
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are kind of bummed at w W E. Layley numbers
aren't good on Netflix. We mentioned earlier that attendance is
a little bit down. A lot of the criticism, and
I get it. I don't think this is with every
story a lot of criticisms. They're relying way too heavily
on nostalgic returns, brand equity, and they're not pushing the
news stars enough. Jeff, how do you feel about that?
(12:26):
You think that's that's kind of the move they're in
right now.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Yeah. I think with the you know, the John Sina's
last tour, last ride has made it attempts at nostalgia
and attempts at those kind of things. So I totally
agree with that. I'm enjoying the product, though I'm like, surprisingly.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
You and I are the only ones. I guess, Yeah,
I still like it.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I feel like I'm all in, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, I've liked what's been going on with EO and
her conflict and now they have a match built up
and we'll get into predictions on the Thursday show, you guys,
not on this one. I think they've laid off on
some of or they're trying to find the right Latino
that they want to push, but they're still giving time
to the Latinos to have their storylines. I think they're
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still being really broad and with a lot of these stories,
and maybe that's what people are liking, because broad isn't specific.
It's the opposite of specific.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
There's plenty of broads. Just watch NXT, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
There's two broads here, there's two. But yeah, so I
get why people are getting frustrated and mad. And I
guess maybe it's maybe TV and movies are the same,
like it goes in cycles, like it's good for a while,
then it takes time to come up with another great idea,
and so you kind of recycle some other stuff that's worked.
I know, like a lot of serial TV shows do that.
(13:45):
A lot of movies do that, because that's the note
from executives, like movies don't work unless you have ABC
D e FG. So maybe it's that. But I hear you, guys.
I'm more forgiving, and I offer a lot more latitude
before I start getting hard on my criticism. But you're
not wrong. All right, You're not wrong. I'm not saying
you are. And I've seen it too. Eighty Dubs has
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been doing better, I think with story lately, and WWE
had been dominating them with story before the last say,
six to eight to six to eight months. Let's recap raw,
shall we do? All right? We opened with seth Rawlins
coming out looking like he works in a Vegas Showgirls
show as always.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
By the way, he had like six inch heels on.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, what was that? By the way, Tiffany Stratton's on
SmackDown which he could barely steps.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, because I've been pretty generous about not criticizing this
dude's close. The shoulder pads and the frilly things and
the double j Jeff Jarrett. Female blouses all fine, but
the dude he had full on is like six inch heels.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, they were legit bigger than to Phonny Stratton's on SmackDown.
And she could barely climb the steps with her heels
on it, which was hysterical. Yeah, we were texting when
we were watching the show and you were like, dude,
what are what kind of shoes are? And I hadn't
even seen him, and I looked and it was just
like Jesus Christ, my man's got some stilts. Believe it. Yeah,
very Las Vegas, a very show girl, but that's kind
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of his thing. Dude. He kind of does his thing
and owns it. And it's like the male version of
Charlotte Flair with the wardrobe. Man. He comes out and
peacocks are round. Anyway, he came out, He talked about leadership,
talked about control, and he talked about the future of
the WWE running through him. He said this before, So
if you think they're recycling some stuff, maybe they are.
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They do have an analytic there that they follow pretty closely,
which is fans watch about one episode per month and
so That's why they repeat their story so often before
the pay per view is because they believe. They believe
in that analytic The hardcore fans who are watching every
week are like, dude, you just said this and there
are answer would be yeah, but a lot of people
didn't see it. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. I'm
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just telling you what their philosophy is on that shit.
So anyway, Rollins tells Cody that he was never his friend,
he had no shitdr You wrestled him when his chest
muscle was ripped off. That's not cool and you lost,
by the way, sucker. He talked about Crown Jewel, which
will be in Australia this year, and again we'll get
into predictions. That's going to be the hardest match to
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predict for me out of all the matches at Crown Jewel,
by the way, but he said, this is less about belts, Jeff,
and it's more about pride, leadership and control. Have you
ever had beef with a comic that was less about
who was the best and more about pride, leadership and control.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
No, but this whole this whole segment did remind me
of a lot of comedy beefs or like a lot
of stand up comedy situations or relationships, you know, you
got to be in the same bit. I'm guessing it's
all business. It's not just comedy or wrestling, but like
there's a guy you're trying to work it out with,
you're bumping heads, and then you're like, maybe someday we
can have mutual respect now, but maybe someday we can
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be buddies. I identified so much with the Cody Rhodes part
of that, and then like for seth Rawlins to just
be like we will we were never friends and we'll
never be friends. I was trying to like, you almost
think that's what the other person is thinking. Nobody would
ever be that honest in real life and just say
that to your face. But you're like, that's what you
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fear that they're thinking. I don't know. The whole segment
was great. I identified with that a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That's cool. Yeah, for me, it was more it was
more about Cody being like the company guy, and I
was I was praying that he didn't say it, or
that he wasn't gonna say it, and then he did,
or he went to the to the audience and he's like,
we don't have the control you guys control, And I
hate that, man. It's just one of those pet peeve
(17:47):
things that I have where I'm like, man, it's I
want them to be a part of the show too.
But we do that too much now. We we're giving
credit too often that save that for a promo after
you win a big match. I couldn't have done it
without you, guys. I could hear you screaming, I could
hear you chanting, and it gave me the energy to
get up and finish this damn match. And I thank
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you for that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Also, all the fans are good. We don't have control.
What are you talking about. We've been chanting carrying Cross,
We've been chanting La Night. We had to chance see
him punk for fifteen years to get him back. So
like the fans are going, what do you mean we
have control? What? We don't have any We can barely
afford to sit here. What do you mean we have control?
(18:30):
We watched because we like it, but we don't have
any control.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
So we've got them coming to Australia for the impossible
match for me to call. I might even abstain from
that one. We'll see, even though that's a weak move.
Next up the Man, the living Legend, the Mysterio myth
Dominic Mysterio, the Intercontinental Champion versus Russef. Thought Russef was
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gonna beat my guy? Is that what you thought, Jeff Raw?
No wrong. As Charlie Murphy would say, rest in peace.
Dominic does what he does, Baby, He outsmarted that big
dumb meathead tricked him. The ref wasn't looking. He do
what you gotta do. Man, No blood, no foul, ref
doesn't see it. Ref doesn't call it. It's not a foul.
Got him a little bit, a little bit low, a
(19:18):
little bit low, rolled him up. The ref was there, professional,
counted the one two three. We commend the referee on fine,
fine work. We criticized the referees when they f up.
I didn't see any f ups in this match, Jeff.
All I saw was studley. Dominic Mysterio earned the respect
of the WWE universe and probably probably got a few
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more ladies to fall in love with him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Whoever choreographed this match did fantastic girth. Look.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, this was match of the week, straight up. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I don't know what the terms are for putting a
match together, but whoever did this. He did a good
job of making the ref look realistic, Like the ref
shouldn't be such a dope that you're like, how did
he not just hear? You know, because sometimes the restaurer
will get in the ring, like sneak in the ring,
and the ref is completely like oblivious, like looks like
(20:06):
a dummy, like acting like you didn't see like everyone
could see it. Everyone's cheering. Also, the canvas is like shaking,
you didn't notice that someone walked in. But like, this
match was a good job of the referee going. I
saw that and then and like he was noticing things.
The low blow was perfectly secretive enough that like you
wouldn't see it if you're a referee match. I thought
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it was very grounded in reality. So I liked that.
Good job on that making the refs look real.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I love that match. I had a ton of fun
watching it. The next match was pretty good too, but
it's not important. What's important is where it goes from here.
With AJ Styles, we had AJ Styles and Dragon Lee
defeat los somebody Connell's styles class for the win. You
could see ajas finisher, which is what you might see
when he fights John Cena. Maybe I don't know, or
(20:53):
John Cena might get the win. You'll get our prediction.
On Thursday Show, the USOS defeated the Vision in a
Tornado tag match, so Tornado they have more experience with that,
so that kind of benefits the USOS. But they wouldn't
have won if Roman Reigns hadn't returned. Jeff, he's back.
He's helping the family. It tips the balance of the
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war with the Vision. Bronson and Reeds still look like monsters,
but Roman's presence has changed the landscape. Are we gonna
go to a war games? Are we gonna go to
another wargames? With the OTC, the USOS and whoever else
they can get versus these scumbags in the Vision? Just kidding.
I like all the guys in the Vision. I'd call
you guys scumbags because I'm supposed to, but I think
(21:34):
you're really cool. But we got the return of Roman
Reigns in the crowd always gets happy when they hear
his music. Jeff, how about you.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I'm happy Rains is back. This is where these guys belong.
You know, I've said this a billion times but to
my buddies, But maybe it's time I say it here,
I don't need all these wrestlers like just this this second,
they get some success, like I'll be a movie star now.
Can I go be in Spider Man? Can I go
be in Street Fighter? Can I go be in a sitcom?
(22:04):
Can I be? It's like, knock it off, your wrestlers,
your your your abandonment of your original craft so quickly
is so it's it's gross to me, Like like that
they'll have something, they'll be like I've always wanted to
be an actor. You're like, well, be a wrestler. That's
how we know you. Maybe you should have sat in
Studio City, in a crappy apartment and went to a
(22:27):
bunch of auditions over and over. If you wanted to
be an actor, don't use wrestling as your springboard to
be an actor. If that was your dream, What a
cowardly way to get to your dream. I don't like that.
I don't like that how fast they all want to
become movie stars.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I agree with that springboard thing. I don't like when
people use one thing to get to another and they
don't take it seriously. I agree with that, but I
do what.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I like to think that wrestling was their dream. I
don't like to think that they that they were like, well,
I wanted to be a movie star, and so I
did wrestling for a decade. Like that's dumb. I think
brock Lessner like he just kind of found his way
into wrestling. I think he wanted to be like a
UFC guy, or just like he wanted to be like
a big, strong guy and wrestling was a nice kind
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of like other place for that. But like you didn't
see rock Lessner immediately being like how do I get
on the expendables? How do I get on these things
and leave wrestling every four months for some sort of project.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, what about if the opportunities are coming to you,
you're not actively seeking the opportunities, and then the opportunity
comes to you and you're like, oh, that sounds interesting.
I might like to try that, cause like there's got
to be room for secondary dreams, right, Yeah. But I
don't think like Roman Reigns was seeking out Hollywood when
he got in the wrestling business. I think he was like, yo,
I'm a lifer, and some opportunities just came his way.
(23:49):
Brock Lesner had a secondary dream fighting the UFC, so
he left for a little while did the UFC thing,
you know, so there's room for secondary dreams. I think
if the opportunity comes your way, but like you, if
you're using it and you never planned on being in
it in the first place, you just using it to
get to Hollywood, then yeah, that does seem a little if.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think I'm just being selfish, if I'm honest, because
I totally understand that if you were in wrestling and
having some success and then all of a sudden they're like, you,
would you like to be in this movie? That's a
very exciting opportunity. But it is annoying to me that
we you know, we'll lose you know Lexi for you
know what's that girls in it? No Live, We'll lose
Live Morgan for like a month and a half, and
(24:32):
all everyone's talking about it is she's going to be
in a movie. She's gonna be in a movie. She's
gonna I don't care put her in wrestling. I want
to see that.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
What if you were sick at baseball and the Dodgers
or the Mariners were like, Jeff, we know you're doing
this comedy thing, but we'd like to invite you to
spring training and we're taking this seriously, and you've got
a great shot to make the team, but you have
to travel with the team. You can't do comedy. Now,
that's an opportunity that came to you because you can
hit dingers.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Then so absurd that I can't even I can't. It's
but also it's just so like one in con nine million,
Like I can't even come up with a number that
that would be a possibility. However, I will, of course
I would do it, but I would expect people to
hate me and go, what is this bozo doing out there?
I don't expect people like Jeff Dye to talk trash
(25:22):
about me on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. Man, when I did that Baseball movie back in
the day, I had like like fantasies and dreams of like,
you know, mate, what if like a scout heard that
I was throwing really hard and like came to check
it out. That would be pretty sick. Granted I was
not throwing hard enough for anyone to come look, but
harder than Charlie Sheen. Baby tapped out eighty six eighty six. Baby,
his pitch was eighty four eighty four, eighty six. Yeah,
(25:47):
I got up to eighty six miles an hour on
the gun, bro. But I was young still. I was
in my twenties.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Mabe, I don't care. That's really hard to do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Throwing fire, like really hard to do. Yeah, man, that's
what the This guy his name was Mike Roboto and
he was in the Mets minor league system as a catcher,
and he was like, dude, you're throwing hard as fuck.
And I was like, really, how hard do you think
I'm throwing. He goes, we're getting the gun and they
measured me at eighty four, eighty six and eighty eighty
two something like that. Yeah, I threw three on the
(26:15):
gun hard. Your boy can throw hard. I threw really
hard to Ken Griffy Junior, and he fucking hit it
out of the fucking ballpark.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That part checks out for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And they asked him to hit it to a specific
part of the field they wanted. They said, hey, Junior,
they called him. They said, Junior, do you think you
could hit it over the welcome to Synergy field sign?
This was back when they played a Synergy and he goes,
he goes, oh, yeah, no problem, and I'm standing right
there and I was like, dude, take it easy, man,
I'll just say no problem like that. So the first
pitch I threw him, instead of gas, which I was
(26:47):
supposed to throw, I threw a change up. He just
didn't even look at it. He just let it drop
and it was like, Nah, dude, I'm not falling for
your bullshit. And so then I threw my hardest pitch
that I could throw. I don't know how hard. It
was probably about like eighty two because I hadn't pitched
in a while. This is we shot this part of
the movie like a couple months later during the real
baseball season, and he fucking hit this ball so hard
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it was out of the park before my head could
whip around to look where it went. And you can
see it in the movie like when he hits it,
it literally is on camera for a millisecond and it's
just crack boom gone. And then we looked and then
someone threw a ball over this s energy field side
so it'd go a little slower and you could actually
see it. But he hit it in the perfect fucking spot. Man.
That's how good Ken Griffith Junior was and how shitty
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I was, a faceing sorry for the side quest. Then
we had some Friday Night SmackDown. I'm not gonna lie, Jeff,
not my favorite episode ever. Wasn't loving the storytelling that much,
Paul Haymon interrupted, Cody Rhodes tried to put a little
seed of doubt with him and his bro Randy Orton,
but it all just seemed a little clunky to me,
like when you watch a scene that's just not edited correctly,
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Like everyone's doing a good job, but the edits are weird.
You're like, why is it on this guy's face when
this guy's talking, and why is it on this guy's
face when he's talking. It just felt a little warm me,
So I wasn't that into it. And then the matches
were sort of like tag team, tag team, tag team,
and it wasn't a really hot show until Sammy's Ain
Baby samyse Ain the blue collar American even though he's
(28:14):
Canadian French Canadian, that is, he wrestled Alistair Black and
it was supposed to be him, It was supposed to
be my man, what's his face? Uh, Carmelo Carmelo Hayes,
Thank you, sir, Carmelo Hayes. And then Alistair Black comes
and steps over him the way Allen Iverson stepped over
Tyron Lou in the fucking finals, just mad disrespect and
(28:34):
he's like, yo, I wrestle, you don't even trip and
Sammy z Ain's like, let's get it on, and they
had a great match the end, Priest came in and
so that then it got a little wild and messy.
But you can see kind of where this feud is going.
Let me say something now that I mentioned Priest. Have
you noticed this too or is it just me? When
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he was on Monday Night Raw, whoever was writing for
him was doing a pretty good job, and I thought
Damian Priest was getting over fairly fairly well with all
the Judgment Day stuff and all that when he got
kicked out the Judgment Day. Since he's been on SmackDown,
I haven't really connected to a single promo that he's
cut backstage or in ring. It's been weird. Dude. It's
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like he's buried and he's not. He's getting segments, they're
just not I don't think they're powerful enough. And I
think he's good enough to pull good ship off. Man.
I don't know what's going on over there.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
I feel like SmackDown in general is the B show
you know, it's it's it's very like secondary might because
it's on Friday night, or like I don't know what
what why or what? It is a tough it's it's
a tough watch. It feels like an afterthought compared to
Raw or any of the ples.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
You know, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Very clunky. It has moments, you know, but for the
most part you're just like, what is what are they doing?
Alistair Black looked good And I love what sammy'sz Ain's
doing with this open invitation for anyone to come out
and wrestle him for the for the that put belt,
and that's continuously been good and a great way to
give other wrestlers who maybe don't have as much eyes
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on a match like a big match.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Totally what it's for.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's helping Sammyzine, it's helping the belt. It's helping guys
who aren't getting eyes get like a match like the
couple weeks ago, the dude from NXT that came up
and had a great match against Sammuzein that was huge
for him, the guy from Greensboro, North Carolina. But the
reason I'm saying this is now I'm in my wrestling
mind going, well, how are they gonna creatively lose this
(30:32):
match to Sammy's ain because you know that nobody's gonna
beat him, So it's just kind of going, all right, well,
how is Alista Blacks dominating this match? How are they
gonna have him lose? So it's almost like a scramble
to see how the finish is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm totally with you
on that. All right, you guys, it's AW time time
(31:10):
for some AEWU because it was the sixth anniversary. Now,
throughout the night, AW played some highlights of the last
six years. It wasn't my favorite highlight package, but they
did a pretty good job. They've done better though. They've
had some incredible moments in just six short years. It's
also important to note how pivotal, or how important rather
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it is to have more than one major promotion in
professional wrestling. It means more jobs, more money, not just
for the wrestlers, but for all the behind the scenes people,
the camera people, the grips, the electricians, the ring builders.
Like all these people, this is their job. It's this
or their you know, working on a concert for Taylor
Swift and trying to put her in a box and
(31:51):
nobody can see her get to stage. Who cares? Just
let her walk the stage. I never understood where a
hider in a box and sneaker over to the stage,
like let her just walk like Bruce Springsteen used to do.
Like who cares? Man, nobody cares, nobody cares, Just walk anyway,
I digress. So six years, Jeff, do you have a
couple favorite moments from the last six years of ae W.
(32:15):
Mine's when Danielson won the championship and when CM punk debuted.
Those would be my two favorite what about you?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I don't have like any specific moments, but when I
was thought of this boy, when I read this question,
I thought of just how many times MJF has impressed
me the many chapters of MJF. He didn't change his character,
he didn't change his wrestling sensibilities, but there's been so
many different things he's done, whether he's best friends with
(32:45):
Adam Cole or whether he's feuding with CM Punk. And
it's just this promo off, you know, just like promo
to promo each week was amazing. I'm just so impressed
with MJF. And anytime I think of aw in my
mind immediately goes to him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, dude, he just did that Tables and Tax match,
which is bloody and gruesome and gross. And this is
the same dude that got the fucking kangaroo kickover yah,
you know what I mean, Like the same dude that
was doing comedy wrestling just a few months ago, maybe
a year ago with Adam Cole, where he was like,
I'm gonna dive out of the ring. No, I'm scared. No,
you can do it. No, I'm too scared. Like he
went from doing full comedy wrestling a kangaroo kick where
(33:27):
he poses like a freaking kangaroo to one of the bloodiest,
gooriest matches you can do and everything in between. Dude,
mgff's the man.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He should have been dynamic for sure.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, that should have been. All of My favorite moments
were MJF moments. I loved when he came out in
white with seampunk and I was like, Oh, someone's about
to bleed. Someone's about to bleed, and then they bled
all over the place. All right, here we go. Wait
what I'm into blood now? I can't help it. Hangman Page,
Samoa Joe and Hobbes And when he came on the TV.
(33:59):
I was cooking dinner and my wife goes, holy shit,
who's that. I was like, that's Will Powerhouse Hobbs Baby.
He was like, yo, that's big. She likes all above dudes.
So it was Hobbs, Samoa Joe and Hangman Page versus
the Death Writers, which this time consisted of John Moxley,
Claudio Castick Noley, and Ryan Daniel Garcia. Ryan Garcia is
(34:22):
the boxer fretting. He's still screwing that up, unprofessional son
of a bitch. Anyway, the good guys won the match
as they should. Cloudio took the pin because he's a
gentleman and he knew that that would protect Daniel, who's
new to the group, and keep him looking like a
wild card, and protect Moxley. What a what a kind
what a kind man taking the fall for the team
like that. It's a big win. But that was not
(34:44):
the story, sir. The story is leading up for Wreussell Dream,
Wressell Dream. Samoa Joe turned on Adam Page and he said, Yo, man,
you might have beat all these other suckers, but you've
never beaten me, and I'm gonna beat the champ again.
I'm to be the child. I'm big ass Samoa Joe,
and the crowd's gonna scream Joe, Joe Joe. It's the
(35:05):
only song that I know all the lyrics to in
professional wrestling, and then they're gonna sing Joe is Gonna
kill you. I love the crowd when Samoa Joe's out
there because they love Samoa Joe. I love Samojo in general.
I'm glad that he's healthy and wrestling, and I'm excited
to see these dudes match. And Adam Hangman Page has
been growing on me, dude, he really has. He had
(35:25):
that promo in Mexico where he spoke all in Spanish
and he wasn't able to do that like that yelling thing, right,
Like his go to is I'm gonna start yelling and
showing you that I'm passionate about wrestling, and that works.
But it only works on a couple of lines, right.
If you keep that going too long, then you have
to sort of break that up where it becomes monotonous.
When he was speaking Spanish, he couldn't think to do
(35:46):
that because he's thinking about the translation. And he came
off so vulnerable and honest and open and cool, and
some of that has stuck with him since that promo,
and I find him a lot calmer in a lot
of these and he's saving that passion, and like in
the Kyle Fletcher drama, he's saving that passion for certain
specific moments where he's like, no, I normally he'd be like,
(36:07):
I see a lot of me and you from that,
and he's like, I see a lot of myself in you,
but what you need to understand is that you don't
have one. And then he's going in on him, and
I think that's super smart. And I like seeing these
guys grow. I like seeing their talent grow. This guy's
been a wrestler for a long time, so you can
teach an old dog new tricks. And I think this
one kind of happened organically for him. I'm excited to
see the match. Dude, what about you?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, I think less is more with that kind of stuff.
I think he nailed it. Like Jake the Snake never
like raised his voice in a promo. He was calm.
It had this like this, this like it. It's just
people's different acting styles, I guess, but like, if you
want it to seem realistic, you've got to make it
seem like I don't know, you know, like the way
(36:49):
you would talk dominic Mysterio's really natural when he does
his stuff. He's never raising his voice or doing a stick.
And some wrestlers can pull that off, you know, like
Pauli Hayman is so big, you know, ladies and gentleman,
but like he pulls it off. But like for some people,
like you gotta find you gotta find where your zone
is to make it more realistic.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That's dead on, dude. It took me a long time
to figure him out. Like I look back at like
my older work and go, man, I wish I could
have been more vulnerable. I wish that would have looked
more honest. And I was in my forties when I
figured it out, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Still figuring it out. It's a pace, it's like a rhythm.
It's a pause. Sometimes it's it's a volume. There's a
lot of little ways to dial it in. I one
hundred percent agree with what you said about Adam Hangman
hanging at a page about like the shouting came off
like nervous almost, but like.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Totally I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
And that's not as convincing. But you need so you know.
So anyways, I love what he's doing now and I
think he I think he's sky's the limit for him.
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Kenny Omega made his return. Him and Broddo defeated Josh
Alexander and the Young Buck. It was poor Young bucks
man had it They have a tough They have it tough.
They gambled all their money away, so now all that
cash has gone. I felt so bad, and you knew
it was gonna happen. I would have liked to have
seen in that package that they shot some of the
losses so that it would help tell that story a
(38:17):
little bit better when he's just standing there at the
end with the empty bag, if I'd have shot that,
That's how I would have done it. But I still
thought it was really funny, and I think they're doing
a good job with their characters right now and helping
them grow, going from scumbags to like humbold Anyway, that's
not the story. After the match, guess who returned not
to be a nice guy, not to welcome Kenny Omega back,
(38:37):
but to hit him with his finisher, And that was
freaking andrade Elle well yet not I was gonna say
El Clone, but he's Eli Dolo El Clone is also
in the Don Kallis family now, but we'll talk about
that later, or maybe we won't. But Andrede's back. He
took the mask off, he's got the long hair, he's
got the body beat him up. And the most important
(38:57):
part is he joined the Callous family and has Don
Callous speaking for him. Now, this is what Andrede has
needed since day one. Day one in WWE, he needed
a manager. He had one, Selina Vega. She crushed it.
They took her away from him all of a sudden.
He wasn't able to communicate story except inside the rings stories.
(39:19):
His English wasn't wasn't strong enough to be able to
get a shit over, and for whatever reason, they wouldn't
do subtitles and let him speak Spanish. Having Don Kallus
in your corner is like having Teddy Atlas in the
nineties in your corner. If you're a boxing fan, it's
like having Mick if you're a movie fan from Rocky
saying this little angel on your shoulder, and anytime you
(39:41):
go down, he's gonna say, cut up, your son of
a bitch, because Mickey loves you. That's Don Kallus only
he's going to talk for Andrede. He's gonna put Andrede
over big time every single week, and this will be
the chance for him to get over finally in between
his WWE and AW runs. And I think think it
could work. Dude, what did you think?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I don't have many thoughts on any of this, Andrade
being back in AW, I am. I'm puzzled. You know,
it was he was what two weeks ago he was
in w Yeah, so it's very strange. Also, I just
don't know what they're going to do with this, you know,
I think you said it or maybe I'm just reading it,
(40:24):
but maybe both. But like, the Callous Family is growing
like the nWo. That's a that's a dangerous idea. The
nWo was one of the greatest things that ever happened
in wrestling, but it just grew too much. It was
not exclusive to be in the nWo. It was after
a while everyone was in the endview, You're like, you're
like Lex Luger, the company guy is in the nWo.
(40:46):
You know, like if you had everybody like in there
so much so that it became like, well, now there's
the red nWo, and now there's the White nWo, and
then there's the Original wolf Pack nWo. There's so many
different little factions of the action that it became very confusing.
So the Callous Family, it's you know, I hope that
(41:06):
it succeeds more than the Chris Jericho group that they made.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know, it seems the Appreciation Society. Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Feels kind of like that in my opinion. But I'm
you know, I'm here for it. I'm watching still, so
I you know, we'll see what we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Finally, we had Kyle Fletcher and Orange Cassidy. We got
another member to the Callous Family. I'll clone the fake hologram,
and he effed up the finish, not like screwed it up,
but he effed it up for Orange Cassidy and Kyle
Fletcher got to win on what was a pretty good
match until the till the end. So to wrap up,
you guys got a long show today. You guys are
(41:43):
usually like men, it's thirty minutes of commercials, two minutes
of action. Well this time you got like forty minutes
of commercials and one minute of action. Oh in your face.
So anyway, Monday Night, ra gave us Roman Reigns his return,
Cody versus Rawlins is starting to boil over. SmackDown teased
a little Cody and Orton implosion via Paul Hayman, and
(42:04):
we had six years of Dynamite. We end up with
Page versus Joe, Omega versus the Kallus Family, and some
more TNT title shenanigans. They're loading up for wrestled Dream,
which we will predict next week and wrestling. You know,
it wasn't the best week in wrestling, but we still
love it. That's it for Wrestling with Freddy. Don't forget
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