April 15, 2020 • 25 mins
Could I have somehow done this and not remembered it?
Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin bring us the story of Billy Wayne Cope- a father and husband, a man of faith, and one of many railroaded into a false confession. The interrogation techniques were so potent that Billy even started questioning his own memory. Though DNA evidence pointed to the real killer, prosecutors refused to acknowledge Billy's innocence. This case will stay with you. It certainly left a mark on Steve.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer,
and I'm Steve Drissen. Today we bring you the story
of Billy Wayne Cope, a father and husband, a man
of faith, and one of many innocence, wrongfully convicted of murder.
Even after DNA evidence pointed to the real killer, the
police refused to pursue other leads. Instead, Billy was railroaded
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into falsely confessing to an unimaginable crime. This case will
stay with you. It's certainly left a mark on Steve.
I think about Billy Cope all the time. I think
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about how the justice system failed him, and I think
about how we failed him. This is the most disappointing
loss in my career, one of them. At least I
can rest a little bit knowing that we had an
incredible team of lawyers that fought his case with every
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ounce of strength that we had. Well, look, I've watched
you throw yourself, hard and soul into the fight for
Billy Wayne Cope, and what I have seen is not
failure at all. What I see as a real heroism.
And I look at what you've done in this case,
and his trial lawyers were heroes too. You know, they
fought and fought. This was a group effort, but it
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didn't succeed in the end. There's something to being a
lawyer where you're literally asked to hold someone else's life
and future and reputation and story in your own hands
and to fight for that story. And it can be
devastating when you're not able to deliver the justice that
so clearly is deserved in a case. And Billy Wayne
Copes is one of the stories that doesn't have a
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happy ending. Billy Wayne Cope story starts in rock Hill,
South Carolina, a thriving city with lots of jobs and
colleges and respectable people. But there are some parts of
rock Hill, on the outskirts that are different, run down.
The people who live there maybe didn't finish school, maybe
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don't have great jobs. There are people who are too
easy to forget. Our story starts in a shabby house
on Rich Street, where thirty eight year old Billy lived
with his wife and three daughters in late two thousand one.
Billy had a job delivering fast food chicken and his wife,
Mary Sue, was a cleaning lady who worked nights. They
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were deeply religious. Billy was a born again Christian, the
kind of guy who thinks the rapture is around every corner. Now,
the Copes had their challenges. For one thing, they didn't
keep a clean house. Dirty dishes would pile up and
attract roaches. Years earlier, someone had called social services because
the family's mobile home was so dirty, and their kids
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were put in foster care for a little while. But
that was a long time ago. In two thousand one,
things were looking up for the Copes. They moved out
of the mobile home and onto rich Street. Billy had
even gotten a degree in computer electronics. Neighbors remember the
family as loving and clothes even if they didn't have
money or a social cachet, and Amanda in particular, she
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was the shining star of the family. Amanda was the
oldest daughter, twelve years old. She was a straight A
student who belonged to their church's Bible quiz team, which
Billy coached. The family thought of her as their hope
for the future. She was a kind of big sister
who would help her little sisters. She would help them
with their homework. Billy called her his special child, but
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Amanda's bright future would never materialize. It was Thursday November nine,
Billy's alarm goes off at six am. His wife is
still at work, so it's his job to get the
kids ready for school. The night before, Billy and a
man had stayed up late helping one of the younger
girls with her homework. Now, Billy had sleep apnea because
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he was overweight, so he used a c PAP machine
every night to help him breathe. But the machine made noise.
It hissed, it thumped, it drowned out pretty much anything
quieter than the alarm clock. When Billy goes to wake
his daughters, he doesn't hear from Amanda. Billy walks into
her room to find Amanda on the bed, partially clothed,
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with a strip of her favorite green blanket wrapped tightly
around her neck. Billy unwraps the blanket for a minute
he holds her. Amanda's body is cold to the touch.
Billy calls. The police rushed to the scene, and right
away they suspect Billy. He's willing himself to stay calm
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for the sake of his two other daughters, but the
police misread this as coldness. They asked him what he
thinks happened. Billy's in a day is all he can
come up with is that Amanda might have tossed and
turned in the night and strangled herself with the green blanket.
This guess is light years off the mark. Amanda had
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been sexually assaulted, beaten, and strangled, not with the blanket
but with someone's hands. Police gather forensic evidence semen on
her pants and saliva from a bite mark on her chest,
and later that evening, at about ten o'clock, police bring
Billy Waynecope to the station for questioning. Police start this
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interrogation by accusing Billy of Amanda's murder, but he vehemently
denies it. Six hundred and fifty times. Billy insists he
never harmed his daughter never. Police ask what he'll say
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if the seamen and turns out to be his, but
Billy is ready for it. It won't matchcase. I have
not ever done anything much. You can check every part
of my body, can do forensic studio, everything, anything. You
won't find any evidence, only because I didn't want to. Now,
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Billy had faith in polygraph exams. He'd taken them in
the past for jobs like working behind the counter at
a guest station, so he asks the police for a
polygraph to prove his innocence. I'm just telling you, you
get a polygraph and you're only willing to take a
prah anything you want to do to me, and you
will see I didn't want any one singles. Thing can
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never come, did I never. For the time being, police
avoid his request. They keep questioning Billy for four hours
until he finally gets a break at two or thirty
in the morning. He's brought to a jail cell where
he struggles to get a few hours of sleep. Now
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let's stop for a moment. Police are focused on Billy
like a laser, but by letting tunnel vision take over,
they're ignoring other leads. Billy's wife's pocketbook was found next
to Amanda's body on her bed. What was it doing there?
This was powerful evidence that a burglar was involved in
this cry. And you know what else they found. They
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found a flashlight in the home. And of course this
is a flashlight that didn't belong to the Coke family.
Not a single member of the family could identify ever
having seen Dad flashlight. But they're ignoring the pocketbook, They
ignore the flashlight. They're focused on Billy. At nine fifteen
the next morning, after almost no sleep, Billy's brought to
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a polligrapher. He takes the polygraph and he's told that
he ailed. You know, this is reminiscent of so many
other cases. It's one of the most powerful steps in
the pathway to a false confession. And of course we
know the polygraph, the lie detector test is notoriously unreliable,
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but it's being presented to Billy as this infallible arbiter
of truth. Billy, you failed it. That means you're lying.
And when they tell him this, it shakes Billy to
his core. Billy begins to doubt himself and he starts
asking himself, could I have somehow done this and not
remembered it. Billy described the rest of the interrogation as
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an exercise in which the polygraph examiner was pulling images
out of his head, images that Billy couldn't come up
with until the polygrapher suggested them, one after another after another.
I've seen a lot of false confessions and wrongful convictions
in my life, and the Billy Wayne Cope case has
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haunted me for years. That's all, hasn't One of the
leading experts on the psychology of false confessions. At every
step of the way, it was clear that Billy Wayne
Cope's innocence didn't matter, and in fact, it mattered less
and less as the process moved forward. Police formed a
very strong impression of Billy Wayne Cope's guilt immediately without
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evidence and for no good reason. And even when evidence
came in that contradicted that presumption of guilt, they didn't
stop in their tracks and reassess. And that is true
the whole way through. According to that confession story that
Billy eventually signed, he had gotten up at three am
to go to the bathroom. He started to masturbate, and
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when he heard Amanda laugh at him, he attacked her,
choking her with his hands and eventually violating her. He
even agreed that he'd abused his other kids on other
occasions too. Sometimes when police used certain highly suggestive and
misleading tactics, they and lead somebody not only to confess
to a crime they didn't commit, they can cause that
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person to create a belief in their own guilt, to
get confused about their innocence, and then to actually confabulate
false memories of the thing they didn't do. These are
called internalized false confessions. He used words like I had
a feeling like I assume, well you told me so,
I guess this is the way it must have been.
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Those are not the words of a confession. Those are
words of somebody trying to put pieces together of an
event they have no direct memory of. Billy would go
on to give something like four or five different variations
of this confession, and by the end he was so
broken down that he was agreeing to anything that was
suggested to him. He said, first he woke up and
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he assaulted and killed his daughter, and then he went
back to sleep and didn't remember it, and then he
woke up again and remembered it, but then forgot it again. Well,
that's just psychologically impossible. This fabricated story was so horrifying
to Billy that when the police threatened him with the
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death penalty, he welcomed it. People with authority were telling
him that he had done terrible things, even if he
didn't remember doing them. He still thought he deserved to die.
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So Billy is charged with the murder of his daughter.
And of course this is a big news story. It's everywhere,
and the narrative that's being painted in the media and
in the prosecution is that Billy is garbage. He's just
not worth as much as others. He's one of those
throwaway people. There's a problem though, with a case against
Billy Wayne Cope. After he's arrested, DNA testing proves that
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the saliva and seaman left on Amanda did not come
from him. Instead, they were left by some other man.
The police collect DNA samples from everyone who knew the
Cope family, even their preacher, but they can't find a match.
It takes them seven months to figure out that the
DNA left on Amanda Cope's body belonged to a man
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named James Sanders. James Sanders is a career burglar, a
serial rapist, and a drug addict from North Carolina. He'd
recently been released from prison and moved to South Carolina,
to Rock Hill in particular. In fact, as of the
date of Amanda's death, James Sanders lived two blocks away
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from the Cope family, and while Billy Wayne Cope sat
in prison for Amanda's death, James Sanders was out on
the streets and he was horribly busy. Between December twelfth,
two thousand one and January twelve, two thousand two, in
that one month period, James Sanders was implicated in four
burg leries and multiple sexual assault in rock Hill, three
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of them within a mile of the Cope home. On
December twelve, he robbed and raped an elderly disabled woman.
On December sixteenth and December nineteen, there were two more
attempted rapes, and on both occasions the victims identified James Sanders.
This guy is on a literal crime spree, breaking into
homes and assaulting females in Amanda Coopes neighborhood within weeks
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of Amanda Coope stath. He was brazen. He would go
into these homes to try to find money, but if
there was a woman in the home, he would attack her.
He even assaulted some of these women while other people
were sleeping in the home. Now, James Sanders also had
a signature m O. He would target homes after dark.
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He would break in without leaving any signs of forest entry.
That was his specialty, and in each case James Sanders
acted alone. Sanders was arrested for one of these other rapes.
It was only at that point the prosecutors discovered that
his DNA matched the Cope crime scene too. Now that
Renders Billy Wayne Cope's confessions false because he doesn't indicate
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the presence of a James Sanders in his scenarios, so
his confessions were simply factually wrong. Somebody else raped his daughter.
That same DNA that excluded Billy Wayne Cope identified the assailant.
At this point, the whole case against Billy Wayne Cope
should have been reevaluated from top to bottom. Instead, prosecutors
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theorized that Billy and Sanders attacked Amanda together, even though
Billy's confession doesn't mention an accomplice, and even though only
sanders DNA is left at the scene. Their first act
was to go to his wife and to tell her
that that DNA in the seamen was Billy Wayne Copes.
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They lied to his wife and then wired her up
to try and get him to give a better, more
accurate confession because his prior confessions were factually incorrect. Why
would you sent his wife and to get a fifth
confession unless you realized that the other four were worthless.
She died shortly thereafter as a result of complications and surgery,
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and they never corrected the record for her. She died
believing that Billy Wayne Cope's DNA had been found inside
of their daughter. The prosecution searched for any connection between
Billy and Sanders, and they found nothing. There was zero
evidence he and Cope had ever met that alone joined forces.
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The DNA contradicted the prosecution of Billy Wynko, and instead
of moving in that direction, they concocted a theory that
essentially had he and the rapist involved together, and they
just made it up. Four weeks before the start of
this trial, Sanders wrote a letter to the prosecute just
in this case, and in that letter he complained about
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his own defense attorney, and one of the complaints he
had was, He's not even talking to me about this
other man. I'm going to trial with someone I'm not
even acquainted with. But even Sanders letter didn't deter prosecutors.
They told the jury that Billy Wayne Cope had pimped
out his daughter to James, that Billy must have led
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James into the home in order to attack Amanda, and
so the two of them went on trial together. I
couldn't believe that Billy Wayne Cope had to sit in
court with his daughter's rapist and murderer. The individual who
semen was found inside his daughter. Now, Billy Wayne Cope's
case was gaining the attention of national experts in false
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confessions as well as some of the leading lawyers in
South Carolina, and Billy's lawyers were committed to fighting back
at trial. Billy's legal team tried to tell the jury
about James Sanders crime spree, but the judge refused to
let them, saying that sanders other crimes weren't relevant because
they hadn't involved a twelve year old girl. Billy's lawyers
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also tried to introduce that letter Sanders had written saying
he didn't know Billy, but the judge rejected that too.
Billy's defense is hamstrong. The jury saw James Sanders there,
but they were not permitted to know that James Sanders
was about to stand trial for another crime he committed
in almost exactly the same way and in the same neighborhood.
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In their minds, James Sanders and Billy Wayne Cope came
together for this one time only novel crime, when in fact,
James Sanders was a serial offender. And meanwhile, the trial
that Billy has to endure it's hellish. Every time the
prosecutors mentioned Billy's name James Sanders starts laughing. Finally Billy
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could bear no more. He takes the witness stand in
his own defense and he explode at James Sanders, hate
you for what you did, Bobo says, love your enemies
and do good to so help me. God, I've tried,
but I hate him. I hate him so bad a case.
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In the end, it wasn't enough. The jury deliberated only
five or five and a half hours. Billy Wayne Cope
was convicted. Both he and Sanders went down for this crime,
and they were both sentenced to life in prison. That's
when I got involved. I had been following the case
and I was stunned that Billy Wayne Cope had been convicted.
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I decided to see if Billy Wayne Cope's defense team
could use some help. Steve joined Billy's appeal team, which
also included legendary lawyers David Brooke and Alison flam And
at first, Billy's appeal seemed like it'd be successful. The
appellate court ruled that there wasn't enough evidence that Billy
and James Sanders had worked together, but the prosecution appealed
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that ruling, and I was optimistic. I thought we have
checks and balances in our system, and the Supreme Court
of South Carolina is not going to let this conviction stand.
But I was wrong. The South Carolina Supreme Court declined
to throw out Billy's conviction by a single vote, and
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the U. S. Supreme Court refused to intervene. I can't
tell you how many cases I've seen just like this.
An innocent person gives a confession. Subsequent to the confession,
DNA has found the DNA identifies the perpetrator, who has
nothing to do with the individual who confessed, and rather
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than redirect the investigation, admit the mistake and move on,
the prosecutor's office chooses instead to create some new theory
that brings together the rapist and the innocent confessor. And
I just find that shameful. It's a disgrace. Well, the
legal team was prepared to keep on fighting, right. We
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don't let losses in any court, whether it's the trial
court or the U. S. Supreme Court, stop us from
fighting for justice. But in this case, we weren't able
to continue the fight. On February nine, Billy Wayne Cope
died in prison of what the prison said were natural causes.
When I heard years later that Billy Wayne Cope had
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died in prison. My heart just sunk. While this case
haunted me, I harbored the hope that at some point
in time, at some level and in some way, an
appeal would be successful. He was only fifty three years old,
and from a legal perspective, that means that Billy Wayne
Cope's case is over. It's done. There are no options
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left to clear his name. Now we want to tell
you uplifting stories of exoneration, of justice that's delayed but
not denied. We all like those stories. They keep us fighting,
but not every case turns out that way, and this
podcast episode it's our attempt to change Billy's legacy. We're
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not here to tell you that Billy Wayne Cope was
an angel, but that's one of the dangers of telling
stories about wrongful conviction. There's always a temptation to paint
the defendant as a perfect human and Billy Wayne wasn't perfect,
not by a long shot. But our justice system is
supposed to make judgments based on evidence and logic, not
on character assassinations or whispers that someone might have been
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white trash. Billy deserves the truth as much as anyone
else does. Billy Wayne Cope did not sexually assault his daughter.
He did not rape his daughter. He did not murder
his daughter. His greatest indiscretion, if you will, was that
he called nine one one one found her dead in
the morning. We want to tell you now a little
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bit about the man Billy Wayne Coperman. You knew, right, Steve,
I did know him. You know, throughout this ordeal he
remained upbeat, even hopeful. He had dedicated himself to doing
God's work in prison. He taught Hebrew, he preached, He
served as a hospice minister to inmates that were dying
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or ill. When he died, his legal team got together
and we wrote a statement about his death, and this
is what the statement said. In the years we represented Billy,
he was unfailingly polite. He was optimistic and full of faith,
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and he maintained these qualities in the long years that
followed his conviction. Billy confessed to a dreadful crime he
did not commit. When DNA later proved the actrual killer
was a career burglar and serial rapist named James Sanders,
law enforcement should have faced up to the truth and
admitted they attained a false confession from the grieving and
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psychologically vulnerable father of a murdered child, Billy, I want
you to know that even though we lost your case,
these cases of unrequited innocence, these are the ones that
give me the strength and energy to continue the fight
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for other innocent people. Billy, with your evangelical fervor, we
sure hope you're somewhere where you gonna hear us. Justice
belongs to every man, not just the rich, powerful, or respectable.
This podcast episodes for you and for everyone like you,
in the name of justice. Join us next week when
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we bring you to the Bronx in to meet Hugh Burton,
a good kid who happened to live in the apartment
above a truly bad guy. Until then, thanks for listening
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Welcome to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer,
and I'm Steve Drissen. Today we bring you the story
of Billy Wayne Cope, a father and husband, a man
of faith, and one of many innocence, wrongfully convicted of murder.
Even after DNA evidence pointed to the real killer, the
police refused to pursue other leads. Instead, Billy was railroaded
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into falsely confessing to an unimaginable crime. This case will
stay with you. It's certainly left a mark on Steve.
I think about Billy Cope all the time. I think
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about how the justice system failed him, and I think
about how we failed him. This is the most disappointing
loss in my career, one of them. At least I
can rest a little bit knowing that we had an
incredible team of lawyers that fought his case with every
(01:07):
ounce of strength that we had. Well, look, I've watched
you throw yourself, hard and soul into the fight for
Billy Wayne Cope, and what I have seen is not
failure at all. What I see as a real heroism.
And I look at what you've done in this case,
and his trial lawyers were heroes too. You know, they
fought and fought. This was a group effort, but it
(01:30):
didn't succeed in the end. There's something to being a
lawyer where you're literally asked to hold someone else's life
and future and reputation and story in your own hands
and to fight for that story. And it can be
devastating when you're not able to deliver the justice that
so clearly is deserved in a case. And Billy Wayne
Copes is one of the stories that doesn't have a
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happy ending. Billy Wayne Cope story starts in rock Hill,
South Carolina, a thriving city with lots of jobs and
colleges and respectable people. But there are some parts of
rock Hill, on the outskirts that are different, run down.
The people who live there maybe didn't finish school, maybe
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don't have great jobs. There are people who are too
easy to forget. Our story starts in a shabby house
on Rich Street, where thirty eight year old Billy lived
with his wife and three daughters in late two thousand one.
Billy had a job delivering fast food chicken and his wife,
Mary Sue, was a cleaning lady who worked nights. They
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were deeply religious. Billy was a born again Christian, the
kind of guy who thinks the rapture is around every corner. Now,
the Copes had their challenges. For one thing, they didn't
keep a clean house. Dirty dishes would pile up and
attract roaches. Years earlier, someone had called social services because
the family's mobile home was so dirty, and their kids
(02:57):
were put in foster care for a little while. But
that was a long time ago. In two thousand one,
things were looking up for the Copes. They moved out
of the mobile home and onto rich Street. Billy had
even gotten a degree in computer electronics. Neighbors remember the
family as loving and clothes even if they didn't have
money or a social cachet, and Amanda in particular, she
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was the shining star of the family. Amanda was the
oldest daughter, twelve years old. She was a straight A
student who belonged to their church's Bible quiz team, which
Billy coached. The family thought of her as their hope
for the future. She was a kind of big sister
who would help her little sisters. She would help them
with their homework. Billy called her his special child, but
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Amanda's bright future would never materialize. It was Thursday November nine,
Billy's alarm goes off at six am. His wife is
still at work, so it's his job to get the
kids ready for school. The night before, Billy and a
man had stayed up late helping one of the younger
girls with her homework. Now, Billy had sleep apnea because
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he was overweight, so he used a c PAP machine
every night to help him breathe. But the machine made noise.
It hissed, it thumped, it drowned out pretty much anything
quieter than the alarm clock. When Billy goes to wake
his daughters, he doesn't hear from Amanda. Billy walks into
her room to find Amanda on the bed, partially clothed,
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with a strip of her favorite green blanket wrapped tightly
around her neck. Billy unwraps the blanket for a minute
he holds her. Amanda's body is cold to the touch.
Billy calls. The police rushed to the scene, and right
away they suspect Billy. He's willing himself to stay calm
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for the sake of his two other daughters, but the
police misread this as coldness. They asked him what he
thinks happened. Billy's in a day is all he can
come up with is that Amanda might have tossed and
turned in the night and strangled herself with the green blanket.
This guess is light years off the mark. Amanda had
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been sexually assaulted, beaten, and strangled, not with the blanket
but with someone's hands. Police gather forensic evidence semen on
her pants and saliva from a bite mark on her chest,
and later that evening, at about ten o'clock, police bring
Billy Waynecope to the station for questioning. Police start this
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interrogation by accusing Billy of Amanda's murder, but he vehemently
denies it. Six hundred and fifty times. Billy insists he
never harmed his daughter never. Police ask what he'll say
(05:59):
if the seamen and turns out to be his, but
Billy is ready for it. It won't matchcase. I have
not ever done anything much. You can check every part
of my body, can do forensic studio, everything, anything. You
won't find any evidence, only because I didn't want to. Now,
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Billy had faith in polygraph exams. He'd taken them in
the past for jobs like working behind the counter at
a guest station, so he asks the police for a
polygraph to prove his innocence. I'm just telling you, you
get a polygraph and you're only willing to take a
prah anything you want to do to me, and you
will see I didn't want any one singles. Thing can
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never come, did I never. For the time being, police
avoid his request. They keep questioning Billy for four hours
until he finally gets a break at two or thirty
in the morning. He's brought to a jail cell where
he struggles to get a few hours of sleep. Now
(07:10):
let's stop for a moment. Police are focused on Billy
like a laser, but by letting tunnel vision take over,
they're ignoring other leads. Billy's wife's pocketbook was found next
to Amanda's body on her bed. What was it doing there?
This was powerful evidence that a burglar was involved in
this cry. And you know what else they found. They
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found a flashlight in the home. And of course this
is a flashlight that didn't belong to the Coke family.
Not a single member of the family could identify ever
having seen Dad flashlight. But they're ignoring the pocketbook, They
ignore the flashlight. They're focused on Billy. At nine fifteen
the next morning, after almost no sleep, Billy's brought to
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a polligrapher. He takes the polygraph and he's told that
he ailed. You know, this is reminiscent of so many
other cases. It's one of the most powerful steps in
the pathway to a false confession. And of course we
know the polygraph, the lie detector test is notoriously unreliable,
(08:14):
but it's being presented to Billy as this infallible arbiter
of truth. Billy, you failed it. That means you're lying.
And when they tell him this, it shakes Billy to
his core. Billy begins to doubt himself and he starts
asking himself, could I have somehow done this and not
remembered it. Billy described the rest of the interrogation as
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an exercise in which the polygraph examiner was pulling images
out of his head, images that Billy couldn't come up
with until the polygrapher suggested them, one after another after another.
I've seen a lot of false confessions and wrongful convictions
in my life, and the Billy Wayne Cope case has
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haunted me for years. That's all, hasn't One of the
leading experts on the psychology of false confessions. At every
step of the way, it was clear that Billy Wayne
Cope's innocence didn't matter, and in fact, it mattered less
and less as the process moved forward. Police formed a
very strong impression of Billy Wayne Cope's guilt immediately without
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evidence and for no good reason. And even when evidence
came in that contradicted that presumption of guilt, they didn't
stop in their tracks and reassess. And that is true
the whole way through. According to that confession story that
Billy eventually signed, he had gotten up at three am
to go to the bathroom. He started to masturbate, and
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when he heard Amanda laugh at him, he attacked her,
choking her with his hands and eventually violating her. He
even agreed that he'd abused his other kids on other
occasions too. Sometimes when police used certain highly suggestive and
misleading tactics, they and lead somebody not only to confess
to a crime they didn't commit, they can cause that
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person to create a belief in their own guilt, to
get confused about their innocence, and then to actually confabulate
false memories of the thing they didn't do. These are
called internalized false confessions. He used words like I had
a feeling like I assume, well you told me so,
I guess this is the way it must have been.
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Those are not the words of a confession. Those are
words of somebody trying to put pieces together of an
event they have no direct memory of. Billy would go
on to give something like four or five different variations
of this confession, and by the end he was so
broken down that he was agreeing to anything that was
suggested to him. He said, first he woke up and
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he assaulted and killed his daughter, and then he went
back to sleep and didn't remember it, and then he
woke up again and remembered it, but then forgot it again. Well,
that's just psychologically impossible. This fabricated story was so horrifying
to Billy that when the police threatened him with the
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death penalty, he welcomed it. People with authority were telling
him that he had done terrible things, even if he
didn't remember doing them. He still thought he deserved to die.
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So Billy is charged with the murder of his daughter.
And of course this is a big news story. It's everywhere,
and the narrative that's being painted in the media and
in the prosecution is that Billy is garbage. He's just
not worth as much as others. He's one of those
throwaway people. There's a problem though, with a case against
Billy Wayne Cope. After he's arrested, DNA testing proves that
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the saliva and seaman left on Amanda did not come
from him. Instead, they were left by some other man.
The police collect DNA samples from everyone who knew the
Cope family, even their preacher, but they can't find a match.
It takes them seven months to figure out that the
DNA left on Amanda Cope's body belonged to a man
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named James Sanders. James Sanders is a career burglar, a
serial rapist, and a drug addict from North Carolina. He'd
recently been released from prison and moved to South Carolina,
to Rock Hill in particular. In fact, as of the
date of Amanda's death, James Sanders lived two blocks away
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from the Cope family, and while Billy Wayne Cope sat
in prison for Amanda's death, James Sanders was out on
the streets and he was horribly busy. Between December twelfth,
two thousand one and January twelve, two thousand two, in
that one month period, James Sanders was implicated in four
burg leries and multiple sexual assault in rock Hill, three
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of them within a mile of the Cope home. On
December twelve, he robbed and raped an elderly disabled woman.
On December sixteenth and December nineteen, there were two more
attempted rapes, and on both occasions the victims identified James Sanders.
This guy is on a literal crime spree, breaking into
homes and assaulting females in Amanda Coopes neighborhood within weeks
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of Amanda Coope stath. He was brazen. He would go
into these homes to try to find money, but if
there was a woman in the home, he would attack her.
He even assaulted some of these women while other people
were sleeping in the home. Now, James Sanders also had
a signature m O. He would target homes after dark.
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He would break in without leaving any signs of forest entry.
That was his specialty, and in each case James Sanders
acted alone. Sanders was arrested for one of these other rapes.
It was only at that point the prosecutors discovered that
his DNA matched the Cope crime scene too. Now that
Renders Billy Wayne Cope's confessions false because he doesn't indicate
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the presence of a James Sanders in his scenarios, so
his confessions were simply factually wrong. Somebody else raped his daughter.
That same DNA that excluded Billy Wayne Cope identified the assailant.
At this point, the whole case against Billy Wayne Cope
should have been reevaluated from top to bottom. Instead, prosecutors
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theorized that Billy and Sanders attacked Amanda together, even though
Billy's confession doesn't mention an accomplice, and even though only
sanders DNA is left at the scene. Their first act
was to go to his wife and to tell her
that that DNA in the seamen was Billy Wayne Copes.
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They lied to his wife and then wired her up
to try and get him to give a better, more
accurate confession because his prior confessions were factually incorrect. Why
would you sent his wife and to get a fifth
confession unless you realized that the other four were worthless.
She died shortly thereafter as a result of complications and surgery,
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and they never corrected the record for her. She died
believing that Billy Wayne Cope's DNA had been found inside
of their daughter. The prosecution searched for any connection between
Billy and Sanders, and they found nothing. There was zero
evidence he and Cope had ever met that alone joined forces.
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The DNA contradicted the prosecution of Billy Wynko, and instead
of moving in that direction, they concocted a theory that
essentially had he and the rapist involved together, and they
just made it up. Four weeks before the start of
this trial, Sanders wrote a letter to the prosecute just
in this case, and in that letter he complained about
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his own defense attorney, and one of the complaints he
had was, He's not even talking to me about this
other man. I'm going to trial with someone I'm not
even acquainted with. But even Sanders letter didn't deter prosecutors.
They told the jury that Billy Wayne Cope had pimped
out his daughter to James, that Billy must have led
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James into the home in order to attack Amanda, and
so the two of them went on trial together. I
couldn't believe that Billy Wayne Cope had to sit in
court with his daughter's rapist and murderer. The individual who
semen was found inside his daughter. Now, Billy Wayne Cope's
case was gaining the attention of national experts in false
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confessions as well as some of the leading lawyers in
South Carolina, and Billy's lawyers were committed to fighting back
at trial. Billy's legal team tried to tell the jury
about James Sanders crime spree, but the judge refused to
let them, saying that sanders other crimes weren't relevant because
they hadn't involved a twelve year old girl. Billy's lawyers
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also tried to introduce that letter Sanders had written saying
he didn't know Billy, but the judge rejected that too.
Billy's defense is hamstrong. The jury saw James Sanders there,
but they were not permitted to know that James Sanders
was about to stand trial for another crime he committed
in almost exactly the same way and in the same neighborhood.
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In their minds, James Sanders and Billy Wayne Cope came
together for this one time only novel crime, when in fact,
James Sanders was a serial offender. And meanwhile, the trial
that Billy has to endure it's hellish. Every time the
prosecutors mentioned Billy's name James Sanders starts laughing. Finally Billy
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could bear no more. He takes the witness stand in
his own defense and he explode at James Sanders, hate
you for what you did, Bobo says, love your enemies
and do good to so help me. God, I've tried,
but I hate him. I hate him so bad a case.
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In the end, it wasn't enough. The jury deliberated only
five or five and a half hours. Billy Wayne Cope
was convicted. Both he and Sanders went down for this crime,
and they were both sentenced to life in prison. That's
when I got involved. I had been following the case
and I was stunned that Billy Wayne Cope had been convicted.
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I decided to see if Billy Wayne Cope's defense team
could use some help. Steve joined Billy's appeal team, which
also included legendary lawyers David Brooke and Alison flam And
at first, Billy's appeal seemed like it'd be successful. The
appellate court ruled that there wasn't enough evidence that Billy
and James Sanders had worked together, but the prosecution appealed
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that ruling, and I was optimistic. I thought we have
checks and balances in our system, and the Supreme Court
of South Carolina is not going to let this conviction stand.
But I was wrong. The South Carolina Supreme Court declined
to throw out Billy's conviction by a single vote, and
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the U. S. Supreme Court refused to intervene. I can't
tell you how many cases I've seen just like this.
An innocent person gives a confession. Subsequent to the confession,
DNA has found the DNA identifies the perpetrator, who has
nothing to do with the individual who confessed, and rather
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than redirect the investigation, admit the mistake and move on,
the prosecutor's office chooses instead to create some new theory
that brings together the rapist and the innocent confessor. And
I just find that shameful. It's a disgrace. Well, the
legal team was prepared to keep on fighting, right. We
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don't let losses in any court, whether it's the trial
court or the U. S. Supreme Court, stop us from
fighting for justice. But in this case, we weren't able
to continue the fight. On February nine, Billy Wayne Cope
died in prison of what the prison said were natural causes.
When I heard years later that Billy Wayne Cope had
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died in prison. My heart just sunk. While this case
haunted me, I harbored the hope that at some point
in time, at some level and in some way, an
appeal would be successful. He was only fifty three years old,
and from a legal perspective, that means that Billy Wayne
Cope's case is over. It's done. There are no options
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left to clear his name. Now we want to tell
you uplifting stories of exoneration, of justice that's delayed but
not denied. We all like those stories. They keep us fighting,
but not every case turns out that way, and this
podcast episode it's our attempt to change Billy's legacy. We're
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not here to tell you that Billy Wayne Cope was
an angel, but that's one of the dangers of telling
stories about wrongful conviction. There's always a temptation to paint
the defendant as a perfect human and Billy Wayne wasn't perfect,
not by a long shot. But our justice system is
supposed to make judgments based on evidence and logic, not
on character assassinations or whispers that someone might have been
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white trash. Billy deserves the truth as much as anyone
else does. Billy Wayne Cope did not sexually assault his daughter.
He did not rape his daughter. He did not murder
his daughter. His greatest indiscretion, if you will, was that
he called nine one one one found her dead in
the morning. We want to tell you now a little
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bit about the man Billy Wayne Coperman. You knew, right, Steve,
I did know him. You know, throughout this ordeal he
remained upbeat, even hopeful. He had dedicated himself to doing
God's work in prison. He taught Hebrew, he preached, He
served as a hospice minister to inmates that were dying
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or ill. When he died, his legal team got together
and we wrote a statement about his death, and this
is what the statement said. In the years we represented Billy,
he was unfailingly polite. He was optimistic and full of faith,
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and he maintained these qualities in the long years that
followed his conviction. Billy confessed to a dreadful crime he
did not commit. When DNA later proved the actrual killer
was a career burglar and serial rapist named James Sanders,
law enforcement should have faced up to the truth and
admitted they attained a false confession from the grieving and
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psychologically vulnerable father of a murdered child, Billy, I want
you to know that even though we lost your case,
these cases of unrequited innocence, these are the ones that
give me the strength and energy to continue the fight
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for other innocent people. Billy, with your evangelical fervor, we
sure hope you're somewhere where you gonna hear us. Justice
belongs to every man, not just the rich, powerful, or respectable.
This podcast episodes for you and for everyone like you,
in the name of justice. Join us next week when
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we bring you to the Bronx in to meet Hugh Burton,
a good kid who happened to live in the apartment
above a truly bad guy. Until then, thanks for listening
to Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions is
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a production of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with
Signal Company Number One. Special thanks to our executive producer
Jason Slam and the team at Signal Company Number one
Executive producer Kevin Wardace, Senior producer and Pope, and additional
production and editing by Connor Hall. Special thanks to jog
Hammer for additional script editing, and for wrangling and writing
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like a mad woman. Our music was composed by j Ralph.
You can follow me on Instagram or Twitter at Laura
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