May 22, 2023 • 31 mins
In Chicago, old habits die hard.
Laura Nirider and Steve Drizin bring us inside one of the worst police abuse scandals in U.S. history. For decades on the southside of Chicago, a group of white cops turned the interrogation room into a torture chamber for Black men. Those cops called themselves the Midnight Crew.
We are releasing this updated episode to share that even though the city passed a reparations bill that will compensate Jon Burge's victims and their families, the promise has yet to be fulfilled.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, it's Laura and I writer. In twenty twenty, we
brought you the truly horrifying story of John Burge, the
now disgraced Chicago police officer who oversaw a group of
white cops who turned their investigation room into a torture
chamber for black men. They called themselves the Midnight Crew.
Now there's nothing anyone can do to fully right the
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wrongs done by John Burge, but the city of Chicago
is making remarkable efforts to ameliorate the damage. To date,
dozens of John Burge's victims have had their sentences overturned,
and in twenty fifteen, the city passed a reparations bill
that will compensate the victims and their families. Now, part
of that reparations package was meant to include a physical
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memorial to the victims and to the torture they survived.
The idea was that it would serve as an enduring
public acknowledgment of the crimes against humanity that took place
in Chicago. Like war memorials, it would call on future
generations to remember what happened and to stand up to
similar abuses in the future. But here's the thing that
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promise has yet to be fulfilled. The reparations bill has
been passed and a design for the memorial has been approved,
but city aldermen and the Mayor's office have not allocated
the funds for construction. It's estimated that the memorial will
cost two point twenty five million dollars, which may sound
like a lot of money until you learn that over
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the years, the city has spent more than thirty seven
million dollars defending John Burge in court. It's time to
build this memorial. As the old saying goes, those who
forget history are doomed to repeat it, and no one
should suffer the abuses of the Midnight Crew ever again.
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Welcome to wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And I'm Steve Dressing.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know, we've talked a lot during our podcast about
psychological interrogation techniques, but this is a really different case.
This is physical torture. It's the kind of thing most
people think doesn't happen in the United States, but it did.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it did in my lifetime in Chicago. This was real.
I said, how can this be going on? You know,
at the end of the twentieth century. I mean This
is medieval, This is the stuff of the Spanish Inquisition.
Because by and large, by the nineteen fifties, these kinds
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of third degree tactics were no longer part of law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You know, Steeve, I never knew what the term third
degree meant before I went to law school. So for
our audience, it means physical abuse during interrogations, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Chicago's history with police interrogations is a fascinating one. The
third degree thrived in Chicago and thirties, forties and fifties.
Then a group of police reformers brought in psychological interrogation
techniques that they believed would be less likely to lead
to false confessions. But in Chicago, old habits die hard.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's easy for anyone to understand why someone would falsely
confess if they're being physically abused or tortured. That's no
way to get the truth, let alone justice. Today's story
starts on July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty eight. It's summer
in Chicago, one of the hottest on record, with temperatures
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topping one hundred degrees. On the city's predominantly black South Side,
a lot of homes are older run down, don't have
air conditioning. Economic opportunities are thin, and people sweat just
to pay the bills. So when the temperature climbs, tempers
run high too. That's true for the residents and for
the police. On July twenty seven, though, things get way
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too hot in a Southside neighborhood called Gage Park. In
the middle of the night, a brick bungalow goes up
in flames. After firefighters bring the blaze under control, police
go inside. They find five bodies, two women who had
worked as teacher's aids at a local school, and three
young children. All of the kids had been smothered with pillows.
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One of the women had been beaten and strangled. The
other woman had been smothered too. She was the daughter
of a Chicago cop. It's a horrible crime, and the
case quickly becomes high profile. What Chicago police call a heater.
But there's no eyewitnesses, no forensic evidence, no nothing. So
police offer a two thousand dollars reward for information. Sure Enough,
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just a few days later, a prison inmate calls police
and claims that his friend, Ronald Kitchen, confessed to him
over the phone. Now prison phone calls are recorded and monitored.
A quick check of the inmate's phone recordings reveals he
was lying. No one he spoke with had ever confessed
to anything, but with no other leads, the police decide
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to go after Ronald' kitchen, and they go after him hard.
In nineteen eighty eight, Ronald was twenty two years old,
and as he admits today, he was no angel back then.
With one young child and a second on the way,
he made a living by selling cocaine, but he was
no killer and never had been. On the evening of
August twenty fifth, Ronald leaves his house and heads for
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the corner store down the block. He's out to buy
a gallon of milk and some cookie dough for his
two year old son. Before he knows it, Ronald surrounded
by police cars. One of the officers says something about
a stolen vehicle. Another cop points a gun at him.
Ronald knows he had nothing to do with any car theft,
so he figures he'll be able to clear up the
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situation without much difficulty. As the police put Ronald in handcuffs,
he hollers to his family down the block, I'll be
back in forty five minutes. Police bring Ronald to a
south side station called Area three. They throw him into
an interrogation room and cuff his hands to an iron
ring in the wall, and the account Ronald gives of
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the next sixteen hours is harrowing. According to Ronald, an
officer comes in and asks who have you been talking to?
When Ronald doesn't know how to answer, the officer starts
punching him in the chest and kicking his stomach. Over
the next several hours, that officer would leave, then come
back again over and over to ask the same question,
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who have you been talking to? And to continue the beatings.
Sometimes he'd be joined by a second officer. When that
officer entered the room, he would remove his name tag
before joining the assaults. After hours of beatings, a third
officer came into the room alone. He asked if Ronald
was okay and if he wanted anything to eat. When
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Ronald asked to call a lawyer, he says, the officer smiled,
picked up the handset from a nearby phone, and smashed
it into Ronald's skull. Do you hear ringing?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Said the officer. On his way out, He turned off
the lights, leaving Ronald in the dark for hours. The
beatings continued, with Ronald waiting in agony for the next
round to start. The officers focused on areas of his
body where damage wouldn't be visible. At one point, officers
cuffed both his hands behind his back and used their
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nightsticks to beat his genitals. But their desire to cover
their tracks didn't stop the police from targeting Ronald's head too.
They just used a phone book to cushion the blows
and avoid leaving a mark.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
This torture session was clearly premeditated, mapped out in advance.
The whole time. They were also calling Ronald racial slurs.
The N word just rolled off their tongues. The goal
here was total humiliation, physical and mental.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hours of torture went by until Ronald finally broke. He
signed a false confession dictated by the police, admitting to
the Gage Park killings. Based on that confession, Ronald Kitchen
was charged with capital murder, meaning that he was facing
the death penalty. At his first court appearance, Ronald told
the judge that he'd been tortured. A few days later,
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Ronald was transferred to a hospital for treatment. At the hospital,
his urine ran red with blood. Despite all of this,
Ronald's false confession was allowed into evidence against him at trial,
along with the testimony of that prison snitch who still
claimed that Ronald had admitted the killings. On September nineteenth,
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nineteen ninety, Ronald Kitchen was convicted of five counts of
murder and sent to death row. There, he'd soon discovered
he wasn't alone. At least nine other residents of Illinois's
death Row had been tortured into confessing too. There was
something much bigger going on.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
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Speaker 1 (09:38):
What Ronald endured at Area three was no isolated incident.
Ronald Kitchen had encountered a group of white cops who
called themselves the Midnight Crew. The Midnight Crew closed cases
by torturing black men until they confessed, and they operated
under the authority of a Chicago police detective named John Burge.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
To understand and what happened to Ronald, you have to
start asking some tough questions. What kind of police officer
would do this to another human being? What kind of
person would knowingly break the laws of common decency, the
laws of humanity just to get a confession.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
When it comes to John Burge, the answer is complex.
Here's our friend John Conroy, the journalist who is investigative reporting,
exposed the Midnight Crew.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
John Burge was a very driven police officer. Initially he
was a patrol officer, and then he was promoted to
the detective, and then he made sergeant, and then he
made lieutenant. He seemed to me like somebody who would
show up at my family's picnic and if my elderly
aunt had a problem starting her car on the way home,
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he would have been the first woman out there trying
to get it working. That just seemed to me to
be the kind of guy he was on the other hand,
he brutally tortured people.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
John Burge was a Chicago Southsider born in nineteen forty
seven who grew up in a white enclave called South Deering.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
He grew up in a working class, white neighborhood on
the South Side of Chicago that, during the late nineteen sixties,
went from white to black over the course of about
four years, and his family was among the.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Last to move out. He then went off to college,
flunked out after about a semester, went home and enlisted
in the military.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Burg served as a military police officer in South Korea
and Vietnam. For his service, he earned the Bronze Star
Medal and Purple Heart. After he returned to Chicago, Burge
joined the police force and racked up more than a
dozen commendations.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Everyone wants torturers to be Hannibal elector or somebody like
that out of sounds of the lamps. Everyone tortures to
be monsters, and they're basically normal people like you and me.
Burnch for instance, once saved the woman, an African American woman,
from committing suicide. She had a gun to her throat,
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She pulled the trigger and he got his thumb in
the firing mechanism and it didn't go off.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But his apparent heroism wasn't the full story, because John
Burge and his underlings ended up being accused of extracting
confessions from more than two hundred black men between nineteen
seventy two and nineteen ninety one using torture.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
You know, in Chicago, the cops were under tremendous pressure
because we had an astronomical homicide People talk about homicides
in Chicago now, they were eighty percent higher in the
early nineties, and so you know, they had to soft crimes.
They were getting information. That's another reason why people do it.
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They actually might think that they're helping out the good
people of the community by torturing the bad ones. You
do get information when you torture people, you just don't
get accurate information. People will say anything to stop the torture.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Accusations against the Midnight Crew started emerging. Just a few
months before Ronald Kitchen was convicted. In January nineteen ninety,
John Conroy published an investigative report in The Chicago Reader
entitled House of Screams.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The bird story came to me because I was writing
a book on torture, but not torturers, and countries that
people normally suspected of torture, and democracies. And then a
friend of mine called me and said, there's this guy
named Andrew Wilson. He claims he was given electric shock
by the Chicago police, and his testimony was just so
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compelling the police could not explain away his injuries.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Andrew Wilson was a suspect in the murder of two
Chicago cops. A house of screams told the story of
what happened to him in police custody. The rumor was
that during Wilson's interrogation, Burge and his men used techniques
that Burge learned as a military police officer back in Vietnam.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Andrew Wilson emerged from the police station with these very
peculiar marks on his ears and his nose in the
shape of alligator clips. They were scabs, and he had
parallel burns on his chest and a big burn on
his thigh. He said he'd been held against a hot
radiator while electric shock was administered by a hand crank
device not dissimilar from a field telephone used in Vietnam.
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And because he'd shot dead two caps, nobody wanted to
believe him.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Nobody's going to have any sympathy for cop killers, and
Burge and his Midnight crew knew that they would be
more likely to get away with torturing a cop killer
than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, frankly, when we get in an uproar about torture,
it's over the torture of people we like, somebody like
say Nelson Mandela, and we are outraged. But if you
torture somebody whom we don't like, oh that's no problem
at all. So, you know, I think the true test
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of a society is can you stand up and defend
the rights of people whom you abhor.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
During Andrew Wilson's trial, his attorneys started receiving letters in
Chicago police envelopes from an inside whistleblower. The department's torture problem,
it seemed, went much further than Andrew Wilson.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
The letters provided a roadmap for anybody who wanted to investigate,
because they listed the people who went along with the torture,
and then it listed also the weak links, people who
didn't like Birch. They wouldn't be asked to participate in
the torture, but they would have been around a police
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station would have known about it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
After Conroy's story about Andrew Wilson ran an avalanche of
other allegations came forward. There were men who had plastic
bags put over their heads, men who were waterboarded with
seven up, men who'd had their testicles stood on during interrogation.
All black men tortured by all white cops.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Of course, I think race was a factor in all
of this. A lot of the abuse that was inflicted
was not just physical, but it was saw verbal, and
it was regular use of.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The N word.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The stories were horribly similar, and the evidence was there
from the beginning. One torture victim, Aaron Patterson, managed to
leave a visible cry for help in the interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I just picture this. This guy is being tortured and
he's scratching this message in a metal bench with a
paper clip, and the message couldn't be clearer. Please threaten
me with violence, slapped and suffocated me with plastics. No
lawyer or dad signed false statement to murder. Why did
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he do this? He did it because he was afraid
he wouldn't survive the torture, and that even if he
did survive, he was afraid that no one would believe him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Aaron did survive, and one of the other survivors was
Ronald Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ronald later realized that the second officer who participated in
his interrogation, the one who took off his name tag
before beating him, well, that was no ordinary member of
the Midnight Crew. That was John Burge himself.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
By the time John Conroy published House of Screams, John
Burge and the Midnight Crews torture campaign had been going
on for nearly twenty years. Meanwhile, Burge had been promoted
to commander, outranking ninety nine percent of the other officers
on the Chicago Police force.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So my article came out in January nineteen ninety. As
we were approaching press time, I was really uneasy. I thought,
Oh Jesus, you know we're going to go with a
story that says that the Chicago police engaged in torture.
Nobody had said anything of the kind before. I thought
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there would be a furre and we might ensue, even
though we had done every legal check that could be done.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Burge was a powerful man, but the allegations against him
were too numerous and too similar to ignore. In nineteen
ninety one, John Burge was suspended from the Chicago Police force.
The local police union rushed to Burges's defense, throwing him
a fundraiser at a union hall.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I was there. It was packed with more than a
thousand people, probably most of them cops, but I'm sure
some of them were states attorneys, because I know that
it was advertised in the State's Attorney's office.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Meanwhile, more and more allegations of police torture were coming forward, beatings,
cattle prods, Russian roulette, Coggo. Police board held a hearing
in nineteen ninety two into Burges's alleged misconduct.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Basically, it was an employment fitness hearing. It was not
a criminal case, and the city had attorneys present the
case against Birch and they did a pretty darn good job.
I thought they actually sold the police Board on the
idea that something had indeed happened here.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
During the hearing, an internal police report came to light.
It suggested that police supervisors had known about the midnight
cruise systemic brutality for years. In nineteen ninety three, the
police board found that John Burge had participated in physical
abuse and fired him from the Chicago Police now.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
The Police Board's decision was remarkable in that it never
used the word torture. It said, John Birge did kick
and or punch and or deny medical attention to and
or and or and or you couldn't tell oh what
exactly think happened. So as a result of that decision,
Burgs got fired, but he was allowed to retire with
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his pension.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Another agency, the Office of Professional Standards, began investigating two
and it released a report that went a step further.
The investigation found that Chicago police had taken part in
a systematic, planned torture campaign that command officers knew about. Meanwhile,
Ronald Kitchen, one of the victims of that torture, was
still on death row for a crime he didn't commit.
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And remember, he was there along with other men who'd
been tortured just like him by John Burge and the
Midnight Crew. For years, Ronald's appeals failed and the system
turned a blind eye to the unthinkable abuse he suffered.
But Ronald and the others on death row didn't stay silent.
The group began finding their voices, speaking out about the
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fact that the Midnight Crew had tortured innocent people into
falsely confessing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What's amazing to me is how these men found their voice.
They did so by re enacting each other's trials. You
have to remember that when people are in prison, every
instinct tells you not to talk to other inmates about
your case. But these men, they acted out their case.
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They played the role of prosecutor of defense, attorney, of
police witness, and in some cases they convicted one another.
That process gave them agency, and at the end of
the day, all of these men became great storytellers. They
could not only tell the story of what happened to
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each of them, but they could tell the stories of
each other.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
As the Midnight Crew torture scandal blew up, Ronald's personal
fight for justice became unignorable. In two thousand and one,
Ronald got a new team of post conviction lawyers. They
discovered previously undisclosed evidence about that prison sniche who claimed
Ronald had confessed. Turns out the snitch had received money
an early release from prison in exchange for his false testimony.
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That evidence, plus the discovery of the Midnight Crew torture scandal,
led prosecutors to agree that Ronald's conviction should be thrown out.
On July seventh, two thousand and nine, Ronald Kitchen became
a free, exonerated man. Six weeks later, he was awarded
a certificate of innocence. Those forty five minutes that Ronald
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had expected to be gone they turned into twenty one
years behind bars. The Gage part killings have never been solved.
As for the other men on death row with Ronald,
over the years, several of them walked free, to those
who remained in prison had their sentences commuted to life,
and their continuing to fight their cases. And what about
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John Birge. Well, as we told you, he got kicked
off the Chicago Police Force. But neither John Burge nor
any member of the Midnight Crew was ever charged with
or convicted of any act of torture because the statute
of limitations had passed by the time the truth came
to light. Maybe we can find some small measure of
justice though, in the fact that John Birge did go
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to prison for lying about torture. In twenty ten, Burge
was sued by someone he'd tortured. During the lawsuit, Burge
gave a sworn statement denying that any abuse had occurred
on his watch. That falsehood was enough to convict Burge
of perjury. John Burge served from twenty eleven to twenty
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fourteen in federal prison, a much shorter length of time
than many of his victims spent behind bars. After he
left prison, Burge gave an interview calling the torture victim's
human vermin. He took up residence in Florida, still collecting
his police pension four thousand dollars a month. He even
drove a boat called Vigilante.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Well, no justice was not served in this case. I
mean he was sentenced to four years in prison. He
didn't serve that long. Birge was convicted thirty seven years
after the first time. We know that he used electric shock.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know, at the end of the day, John Burge
was released after only serving a few years in prison,
while Ronald and the other men on death row spent
decades in some of the harshest prisons in Illinois system.
That's not justice.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
In twenty eighteen, John Burge died at his home in Florida.
After his death, the police union posted a statement on
Facebook saying that the Fraternal Order of Police does not
believe the full story about the Birge case has ever
been told They're probably right. Decades after Burge's reign of terror,
allegations of torture by the Midnight Crew are still coming
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to light. In two thousand and nine, the State of
Illinois formed a Torture Inquiry and Relief Commission to review
and respond to these allegations. Meanwhile, lawsuits upon lawsuits have
been filed and are still being filed. So far, the
Midnight Crew has cost the City of Chicago one hundred
million dollars in brutality settlements, defense costs, and reparations.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
A reparations ordinance passed by the city Council created a
fund so that many of these torture survivors, those with
credible claims of torture, could be compensated for what happened
to them. It was a recognition and ownership of this
problem by the City of Chicago, and it's never happened
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before in the United States.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One lawsuit filed on behalf of fifty torture victims settled
under the condition that the story of John Burge and
systemic Chicago police misconduct be included in the Chicago Public
Schools high school curriculum so that everyone remembers.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
We can never forget the Chicago torture scandal because if
you don't remember, and history can repeat itself. We have
to learn the lessons of history, and the best way
to do it is to teach young minds about it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's where you'll find Ronald Kitchen today. He and
other survivors of the Midnight Crew visit classrooms across Chicago
where they talk to teenagers about what they endured and
what they hope can be learned from their ordeals. And
if you pay attention to the way Chicago's kids react
to these stories, you'll have hope for the future. They listen,
They stay to hear the end of the story, even
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after the bell rings. What do you think about all
the recent social media videos of police brutality? Students ask,
how can we as young people make a change. For
his part, Ronald Kitchen has no quick answers, but he
does have a quick sense of justice. As he told
students at one Chicago high school, there's no gray area
in torture. You need to see it for what it
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really is. It's black and it's white. Hello, Hey, Ronald, Hey,
how you doing. It's Laura and Steve, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
When you visit those schools, what do you hope the
kids learn from hearing you speak?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Well, I think the meaning of going to the schools
is to let them know that this could happen to anybody.
It's mind boggling because the Boogeyman not just touch me,
stump me, kick me, tounch.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Me, slap me. The Boogeyman did all this to me.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And then your job became to fight the Boogeyman. Yeah,
it wasn't just one bad guy. You were finding a
whole system that let these guys do what they did.
For so long.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We was fight that could lad. We didn't have a rock.
We had a penciling paper, and that penston paper came
out to be stronger than that rock could evidence.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's hard for people to understand how you could get
the space or the time on death row to reenact
these trials.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
We had a couple of good captains back there.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
They let us have law classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
I thank them for helping us with the process of
gaining our freedom.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You and the other guys they're organized, worked together and
made a big, big change even though you were locked up.
You know, do you talk to kids in schools about
how they should come together and work to make change
in the same way find their own voices.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Yeah, that's the whole point of helping them finding voices.
Your voice is your best weapon. If we found our
voices in a depth of hell, your voice should be
heard no matter where you went.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What are you enjoying in life these days, Ronald?
Speaker 7 (28:40):
My family? I think that's the best, and a don't
funny game with my little family.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Did I hear you say you were on your way
to get a pony?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Today is my daughter's birthday. She's turning nine and the
theme is Cowboy. So, uh yeah, I'm gonna get the pony.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now, that's so nice.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I'm trying to get this she bugger her.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Pictures.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When you think of this scandal, you have to think
about not only Burge and his midnight crew. You have
to think about the armies of people who knew about
it and kept quiet every time somebody was tortured. There
were police officers in that station who heard the screams,
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and then there were states attorneys who came in and
had to write out the confessions. There were lawyers who
heard these stories from their clients and judges who heard
these stories in court.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
A lot of folks had to know about what was
going on for so many years.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, this was a case of systemic racism, not just
of a few bad apples. It was an open secret
and not so secret open secret, and you know, think
about what that does to these communities.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The court system may have turned a blind eye to
these defendant stories, but they must have told their family
members and their friends and their neighbors what happened to them.
And this repeated story of abuse must have leaked out
and saturated the South Side.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
An open wound that for years was not.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
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Hey, it's Laura and I writer. In twenty twenty, we
brought you the truly horrifying story of John Burge, the
now disgraced Chicago police officer who oversaw a group of
white cops who turned their investigation room into a torture
chamber for black men. They called themselves the Midnight Crew.
Now there's nothing anyone can do to fully right the
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wrongs done by John Burge, but the city of Chicago
is making remarkable efforts to ameliorate the damage. To date,
dozens of John Burge's victims have had their sentences overturned,
and in twenty fifteen, the city passed a reparations bill
that will compensate the victims and their families. Now, part
of that reparations package was meant to include a physical
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memorial to the victims and to the torture they survived.
The idea was that it would serve as an enduring
public acknowledgment of the crimes against humanity that took place
in Chicago. Like war memorials, it would call on future
generations to remember what happened and to stand up to
similar abuses in the future. But here's the thing that
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promise has yet to be fulfilled. The reparations bill has
been passed and a design for the memorial has been approved,
but city aldermen and the Mayor's office have not allocated
the funds for construction. It's estimated that the memorial will
cost two point twenty five million dollars, which may sound
like a lot of money until you learn that over
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the years, the city has spent more than thirty seven
million dollars defending John Burge in court. It's time to
build this memorial. As the old saying goes, those who
forget history are doomed to repeat it, and no one
should suffer the abuses of the Midnight Crew ever again.
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Welcome to wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I writer.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And I'm Steve Dressing.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
You know, we've talked a lot during our podcast about
psychological interrogation techniques, but this is a really different case.
This is physical torture. It's the kind of thing most
people think doesn't happen in the United States, but it did.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it did in my lifetime in Chicago. This was real.
I said, how can this be going on? You know,
at the end of the twentieth century. I mean This
is medieval, This is the stuff of the Spanish Inquisition.
Because by and large, by the nineteen fifties, these kinds
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of third degree tactics were no longer part of law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You know, Steeve, I never knew what the term third
degree meant before I went to law school. So for
our audience, it means physical abuse during interrogations, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Chicago's history with police interrogations is a fascinating one. The
third degree thrived in Chicago and thirties, forties and fifties.
Then a group of police reformers brought in psychological interrogation
techniques that they believed would be less likely to lead
to false confessions. But in Chicago, old habits die hard.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's easy for anyone to understand why someone would falsely
confess if they're being physically abused or tortured. That's no
way to get the truth, let alone justice. Today's story
starts on July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty eight. It's summer
in Chicago, one of the hottest on record, with temperatures
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topping one hundred degrees. On the city's predominantly black South Side,
a lot of homes are older run down, don't have
air conditioning. Economic opportunities are thin, and people sweat just
to pay the bills. So when the temperature climbs, tempers
run high too. That's true for the residents and for
the police. On July twenty seven, though, things get way
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too hot in a Southside neighborhood called Gage Park. In
the middle of the night, a brick bungalow goes up
in flames. After firefighters bring the blaze under control, police
go inside. They find five bodies, two women who had
worked as teacher's aids at a local school, and three
young children. All of the kids had been smothered with pillows.
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One of the women had been beaten and strangled. The
other woman had been smothered too. She was the daughter
of a Chicago cop. It's a horrible crime, and the
case quickly becomes high profile. What Chicago police call a heater.
But there's no eyewitnesses, no forensic evidence, no nothing. So
police offer a two thousand dollars reward for information. Sure Enough,
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just a few days later, a prison inmate calls police
and claims that his friend, Ronald Kitchen, confessed to him
over the phone. Now prison phone calls are recorded and monitored.
A quick check of the inmate's phone recordings reveals he
was lying. No one he spoke with had ever confessed
to anything, but with no other leads, the police decide
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to go after Ronald' kitchen, and they go after him hard.
In nineteen eighty eight, Ronald was twenty two years old,
and as he admits today, he was no angel back then.
With one young child and a second on the way,
he made a living by selling cocaine, but he was
no killer and never had been. On the evening of
August twenty fifth, Ronald leaves his house and heads for
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the corner store down the block. He's out to buy
a gallon of milk and some cookie dough for his
two year old son. Before he knows it, Ronald surrounded
by police cars. One of the officers says something about
a stolen vehicle. Another cop points a gun at him.
Ronald knows he had nothing to do with any car theft,
so he figures he'll be able to clear up the
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situation without much difficulty. As the police put Ronald in handcuffs,
he hollers to his family down the block, I'll be
back in forty five minutes. Police bring Ronald to a
south side station called Area three. They throw him into
an interrogation room and cuff his hands to an iron
ring in the wall, and the account Ronald gives of
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the next sixteen hours is harrowing. According to Ronald, an
officer comes in and asks who have you been talking to?
When Ronald doesn't know how to answer, the officer starts
punching him in the chest and kicking his stomach. Over
the next several hours, that officer would leave, then come
back again over and over to ask the same question,
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who have you been talking to? And to continue the beatings.
Sometimes he'd be joined by a second officer. When that
officer entered the room, he would remove his name tag
before joining the assaults. After hours of beatings, a third
officer came into the room alone. He asked if Ronald
was okay and if he wanted anything to eat. When
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Ronald asked to call a lawyer, he says, the officer smiled,
picked up the handset from a nearby phone, and smashed
it into Ronald's skull. Do you hear ringing?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Said the officer. On his way out, He turned off
the lights, leaving Ronald in the dark for hours. The
beatings continued, with Ronald waiting in agony for the next
round to start. The officers focused on areas of his
body where damage wouldn't be visible. At one point, officers
cuffed both his hands behind his back and used their
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nightsticks to beat his genitals. But their desire to cover
their tracks didn't stop the police from targeting Ronald's head too.
They just used a phone book to cushion the blows
and avoid leaving a mark.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
This torture session was clearly premeditated, mapped out in advance.
The whole time. They were also calling Ronald racial slurs.
The N word just rolled off their tongues. The goal
here was total humiliation, physical and mental.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hours of torture went by until Ronald finally broke. He
signed a false confession dictated by the police, admitting to
the Gage Park killings. Based on that confession, Ronald Kitchen
was charged with capital murder, meaning that he was facing
the death penalty. At his first court appearance, Ronald told
the judge that he'd been tortured. A few days later,
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Ronald was transferred to a hospital for treatment. At the hospital,
his urine ran red with blood. Despite all of this,
Ronald's false confession was allowed into evidence against him at trial,
along with the testimony of that prison snitch who still
claimed that Ronald had admitted the killings. On September nineteenth,
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nineteen ninety, Ronald Kitchen was convicted of five counts of
murder and sent to death row. There, he'd soon discovered
he wasn't alone. At least nine other residents of Illinois's
death Row had been tortured into confessing too. There was
something much bigger going on.
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Speaker 1 (09:38):
What Ronald endured at Area three was no isolated incident.
Ronald Kitchen had encountered a group of white cops who
called themselves the Midnight Crew. The Midnight Crew closed cases
by torturing black men until they confessed, and they operated
under the authority of a Chicago police detective named John Burge.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
To understand and what happened to Ronald, you have to
start asking some tough questions. What kind of police officer
would do this to another human being? What kind of
person would knowingly break the laws of common decency, the
laws of humanity just to get a confession.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
When it comes to John Burge, the answer is complex.
Here's our friend John Conroy, the journalist who is investigative reporting,
exposed the Midnight Crew.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
John Burge was a very driven police officer. Initially he
was a patrol officer, and then he was promoted to
the detective, and then he made sergeant, and then he
made lieutenant. He seemed to me like somebody who would
show up at my family's picnic and if my elderly
aunt had a problem starting her car on the way home,
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he would have been the first woman out there trying
to get it working. That just seemed to me to
be the kind of guy he was on the other hand,
he brutally tortured people.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
John Burge was a Chicago Southsider born in nineteen forty
seven who grew up in a white enclave called South Deering.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
He grew up in a working class, white neighborhood on
the South Side of Chicago that, during the late nineteen sixties,
went from white to black over the course of about
four years, and his family was among the.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Last to move out. He then went off to college,
flunked out after about a semester, went home and enlisted
in the military.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Burg served as a military police officer in South Korea
and Vietnam. For his service, he earned the Bronze Star
Medal and Purple Heart. After he returned to Chicago, Burge
joined the police force and racked up more than a
dozen commendations.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Everyone wants torturers to be Hannibal elector or somebody like
that out of sounds of the lamps. Everyone tortures to
be monsters, and they're basically normal people like you and me.
Burnch for instance, once saved the woman, an African American woman,
from committing suicide. She had a gun to her throat,
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She pulled the trigger and he got his thumb in
the firing mechanism and it didn't go off.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But his apparent heroism wasn't the full story, because John
Burge and his underlings ended up being accused of extracting
confessions from more than two hundred black men between nineteen
seventy two and nineteen ninety one using torture.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
You know, in Chicago, the cops were under tremendous pressure
because we had an astronomical homicide People talk about homicides
in Chicago now, they were eighty percent higher in the
early nineties, and so you know, they had to soft crimes.
They were getting information. That's another reason why people do it.
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They actually might think that they're helping out the good
people of the community by torturing the bad ones. You
do get information when you torture people, you just don't
get accurate information. People will say anything to stop the torture.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Accusations against the Midnight Crew started emerging. Just a few
months before Ronald Kitchen was convicted. In January nineteen ninety,
John Conroy published an investigative report in The Chicago Reader
entitled House of Screams.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
The bird story came to me because I was writing
a book on torture, but not torturers, and countries that
people normally suspected of torture, and democracies. And then a
friend of mine called me and said, there's this guy
named Andrew Wilson. He claims he was given electric shock
by the Chicago police, and his testimony was just so
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compelling the police could not explain away his injuries.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Andrew Wilson was a suspect in the murder of two
Chicago cops. A house of screams told the story of
what happened to him in police custody. The rumor was
that during Wilson's interrogation, Burge and his men used techniques
that Burge learned as a military police officer back in Vietnam.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Andrew Wilson emerged from the police station with these very
peculiar marks on his ears and his nose in the
shape of alligator clips. They were scabs, and he had
parallel burns on his chest and a big burn on
his thigh. He said he'd been held against a hot
radiator while electric shock was administered by a hand crank
device not dissimilar from a field telephone used in Vietnam.
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And because he'd shot dead two caps, nobody wanted to
believe him.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Nobody's going to have any sympathy for cop killers, and
Burge and his Midnight crew knew that they would be
more likely to get away with torturing a cop killer
than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You know, frankly, when we get in an uproar about torture,
it's over the torture of people we like, somebody like
say Nelson Mandela, and we are outraged. But if you
torture somebody whom we don't like, oh that's no problem
at all. So, you know, I think the true test
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of a society is can you stand up and defend
the rights of people whom you abhor.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
During Andrew Wilson's trial, his attorneys started receiving letters in
Chicago police envelopes from an inside whistleblower. The department's torture problem,
it seemed, went much further than Andrew Wilson.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
The letters provided a roadmap for anybody who wanted to investigate,
because they listed the people who went along with the torture,
and then it listed also the weak links, people who
didn't like Birch. They wouldn't be asked to participate in
the torture, but they would have been around a police
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station would have known about it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
After Conroy's story about Andrew Wilson ran an avalanche of
other allegations came forward. There were men who had plastic
bags put over their heads, men who were waterboarded with
seven up, men who'd had their testicles stood on during interrogation.
All black men tortured by all white cops.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Of course, I think race was a factor in all
of this. A lot of the abuse that was inflicted
was not just physical, but it was saw verbal, and
it was regular use of.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
The N word.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
The stories were horribly similar, and the evidence was there
from the beginning. One torture victim, Aaron Patterson, managed to
leave a visible cry for help in the interrogation room.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I just picture this. This guy is being tortured and
he's scratching this message in a metal bench with a
paper clip, and the message couldn't be clearer. Please threaten
me with violence, slapped and suffocated me with plastics. No
lawyer or dad signed false statement to murder. Why did
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he do this? He did it because he was afraid
he wouldn't survive the torture, and that even if he
did survive, he was afraid that no one would believe him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Aaron did survive, and one of the other survivors was
Ronald Kitchen.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ronald later realized that the second officer who participated in
his interrogation, the one who took off his name tag
before beating him, well, that was no ordinary member of
the Midnight Crew. That was John Burge himself.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
By the time John Conroy published House of Screams, John
Burge and the Midnight Crews torture campaign had been going
on for nearly twenty years. Meanwhile, Burge had been promoted
to commander, outranking ninety nine percent of the other officers
on the Chicago Police force.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So my article came out in January nineteen ninety. As
we were approaching press time, I was really uneasy. I thought,
Oh Jesus, you know we're going to go with a
story that says that the Chicago police engaged in torture.
Nobody had said anything of the kind before. I thought
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there would be a furre and we might ensue, even
though we had done every legal check that could be done.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Burge was a powerful man, but the allegations against him
were too numerous and too similar to ignore. In nineteen
ninety one, John Burge was suspended from the Chicago Police force.
The local police union rushed to Burges's defense, throwing him
a fundraiser at a union hall.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I was there. It was packed with more than a
thousand people, probably most of them cops, but I'm sure
some of them were states attorneys, because I know that
it was advertised in the State's Attorney's office.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Meanwhile, more and more allegations of police torture were coming forward, beatings,
cattle prods, Russian roulette, Coggo. Police board held a hearing
in nineteen ninety two into Burges's alleged misconduct.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Basically, it was an employment fitness hearing. It was not
a criminal case, and the city had attorneys present the
case against Birch and they did a pretty darn good job.
I thought they actually sold the police Board on the
idea that something had indeed happened here.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
During the hearing, an internal police report came to light.
It suggested that police supervisors had known about the midnight
cruise systemic brutality for years. In nineteen ninety three, the
police board found that John Burge had participated in physical
abuse and fired him from the Chicago Police now.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
The Police Board's decision was remarkable in that it never
used the word torture. It said, John Birge did kick
and or punch and or deny medical attention to and
or and or and or you couldn't tell oh what
exactly think happened. So as a result of that decision,
Burgs got fired, but he was allowed to retire with
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his pension.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Another agency, the Office of Professional Standards, began investigating two
and it released a report that went a step further.
The investigation found that Chicago police had taken part in
a systematic, planned torture campaign that command officers knew about. Meanwhile,
Ronald Kitchen, one of the victims of that torture, was
still on death row for a crime he didn't commit.
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And remember, he was there along with other men who'd
been tortured just like him by John Burge and the
Midnight Crew. For years, Ronald's appeals failed and the system
turned a blind eye to the unthinkable abuse he suffered.
But Ronald and the others on death row didn't stay silent.
The group began finding their voices, speaking out about the
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fact that the Midnight Crew had tortured innocent people into
falsely confessing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What's amazing to me is how these men found their voice.
They did so by re enacting each other's trials. You
have to remember that when people are in prison, every
instinct tells you not to talk to other inmates about
your case. But these men, they acted out their case.
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They played the role of prosecutor of defense, attorney, of
police witness, and in some cases they convicted one another.
That process gave them agency, and at the end of
the day, all of these men became great storytellers. They
could not only tell the story of what happened to
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each of them, but they could tell the stories of
each other.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
As the Midnight Crew torture scandal blew up, Ronald's personal
fight for justice became unignorable. In two thousand and one,
Ronald got a new team of post conviction lawyers. They
discovered previously undisclosed evidence about that prison sniche who claimed
Ronald had confessed. Turns out the snitch had received money
an early release from prison in exchange for his false testimony.
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That evidence, plus the discovery of the Midnight Crew torture scandal,
led prosecutors to agree that Ronald's conviction should be thrown out.
On July seventh, two thousand and nine, Ronald Kitchen became
a free, exonerated man. Six weeks later, he was awarded
a certificate of innocence. Those forty five minutes that Ronald
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had expected to be gone they turned into twenty one
years behind bars. The Gage part killings have never been solved.
As for the other men on death row with Ronald,
over the years, several of them walked free, to those
who remained in prison had their sentences commuted to life,
and their continuing to fight their cases. And what about
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John Birge. Well, as we told you, he got kicked
off the Chicago Police Force. But neither John Burge nor
any member of the Midnight Crew was ever charged with
or convicted of any act of torture because the statute
of limitations had passed by the time the truth came
to light. Maybe we can find some small measure of
justice though, in the fact that John Birge did go
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to prison for lying about torture. In twenty ten, Burge
was sued by someone he'd tortured. During the lawsuit, Burge
gave a sworn statement denying that any abuse had occurred
on his watch. That falsehood was enough to convict Burge
of perjury. John Burge served from twenty eleven to twenty
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fourteen in federal prison, a much shorter length of time
than many of his victims spent behind bars. After he
left prison, Burge gave an interview calling the torture victim's
human vermin. He took up residence in Florida, still collecting
his police pension four thousand dollars a month. He even
drove a boat called Vigilante.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Well, no justice was not served in this case. I
mean he was sentenced to four years in prison. He
didn't serve that long. Birge was convicted thirty seven years
after the first time. We know that he used electric shock.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know, at the end of the day, John Burge
was released after only serving a few years in prison,
while Ronald and the other men on death row spent
decades in some of the harshest prisons in Illinois system.
That's not justice.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
In twenty eighteen, John Burge died at his home in Florida.
After his death, the police union posted a statement on
Facebook saying that the Fraternal Order of Police does not
believe the full story about the Birge case has ever
been told They're probably right. Decades after Burge's reign of terror,
allegations of torture by the Midnight Crew are still coming
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to light. In two thousand and nine, the State of
Illinois formed a Torture Inquiry and Relief Commission to review
and respond to these allegations. Meanwhile, lawsuits upon lawsuits have
been filed and are still being filed. So far, the
Midnight Crew has cost the City of Chicago one hundred
million dollars in brutality settlements, defense costs, and reparations.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
A reparations ordinance passed by the city Council created a
fund so that many of these torture survivors, those with
credible claims of torture, could be compensated for what happened
to them. It was a recognition and ownership of this
problem by the City of Chicago, and it's never happened
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before in the United States.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One lawsuit filed on behalf of fifty torture victims settled
under the condition that the story of John Burge and
systemic Chicago police misconduct be included in the Chicago Public
Schools high school curriculum so that everyone remembers.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
We can never forget the Chicago torture scandal because if
you don't remember, and history can repeat itself. We have
to learn the lessons of history, and the best way
to do it is to teach young minds about it.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And that's where you'll find Ronald Kitchen today. He and
other survivors of the Midnight Crew visit classrooms across Chicago
where they talk to teenagers about what they endured and
what they hope can be learned from their ordeals. And
if you pay attention to the way Chicago's kids react
to these stories, you'll have hope for the future. They listen,
They stay to hear the end of the story, even
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after the bell rings. What do you think about all
the recent social media videos of police brutality? Students ask,
how can we as young people make a change. For
his part, Ronald Kitchen has no quick answers, but he
does have a quick sense of justice. As he told
students at one Chicago high school, there's no gray area
in torture. You need to see it for what it
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really is. It's black and it's white. Hello, Hey, Ronald, Hey,
how you doing. It's Laura and Steve, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
When you visit those schools, what do you hope the
kids learn from hearing you speak?
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Well, I think the meaning of going to the schools
is to let them know that this could happen to anybody.
It's mind boggling because the Boogeyman not just touch me,
stump me, kick me, tounch.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Me, slap me. The Boogeyman did all this to me.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And then your job became to fight the Boogeyman. Yeah,
it wasn't just one bad guy. You were finding a
whole system that let these guys do what they did.
For so long.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
We was fight that could lad. We didn't have a rock.
We had a penciling paper, and that penston paper came
out to be stronger than that rock could evidence.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's hard for people to understand how you could get
the space or the time on death row to reenact
these trials.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
We had a couple of good captains back there.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
They let us have law classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
I thank them for helping us with the process of
gaining our freedom.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You and the other guys they're organized, worked together and
made a big, big change even though you were locked up.
You know, do you talk to kids in schools about
how they should come together and work to make change
in the same way find their own voices.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Yeah, that's the whole point of helping them finding voices.
Your voice is your best weapon. If we found our
voices in a depth of hell, your voice should be
heard no matter where you went.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
What are you enjoying in life these days, Ronald?
Speaker 7 (28:40):
My family? I think that's the best, and a don't
funny game with my little family.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Did I hear you say you were on your way
to get a pony?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Today is my daughter's birthday. She's turning nine and the
theme is Cowboy. So, uh yeah, I'm gonna get the pony.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now, that's so nice.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
I'm trying to get this she bugger her.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Pictures.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
When you think of this scandal, you have to think
about not only Burge and his midnight crew. You have
to think about the armies of people who knew about
it and kept quiet every time somebody was tortured. There
were police officers in that station who heard the screams,
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and then there were states attorneys who came in and
had to write out the confessions. There were lawyers who
heard these stories from their clients and judges who heard
these stories in court.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
A lot of folks had to know about what was
going on for so many years.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, this was a case of systemic racism, not just
of a few bad apples. It was an open secret
and not so secret open secret, and you know, think
about what that does to these communities.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The court system may have turned a blind eye to
these defendant stories, but they must have told their family
members and their friends and their neighbors what happened to them.
And this repeated story of abuse must have leaked out
and saturated the South Side.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
An open wound that for years was not.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Addressed injustices like the Chicago police torture scandal, are at
the root of what our country is experiencing right now,
a national reckoning with race and the criminal justice system.
These stories need to be told so that we can
collectively acknowledge the wrongs and start having a real discussion
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about what's right Wrongful Conviction, False Confessions is a production
of Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company
Number one Special thanks to our executive producers Jason Flamm
and Kevin Wardis. Our production team is headed by senior
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producer and Pope, along with producers Joshi Hammer and Jess Shane.
Our show is mixed by Genie Montalvo. John Colbert is
our intrepid intern. Our music was composed by Jay Ralph.
You can follow me on Instagram or Twitter at Laura
and I Wrider, and you.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Can follow me on Twitter at s Drizzen.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
For more information on the show, visit wrongfulconvictionpodcast dot com.
Be sure to follow the show on Instagram at Wrongful Conviction,
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Hosts And Creators
Lauren Bright Pacheco
Maggie Freleng
Jason Flom
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