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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, folks, Kate Judson here. I'm a lawyer and the
executive director of the Center for Integrity and Forensic Sciences.
We're back with another episode of Junk Science, a series
we first released in twenty twenty, but these stories are
just as relevant as ever. This is the last episode
of our series and one that's especially close to my heart.
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Shake and baby syndrome is one of the main focuses
of my work, and I am interviewed in the episode
you're about to hear. Shake and baby syndrome is a
determination doctors make when a certain constellation of medical findings
show up together in a child, and as we'll hear later,
there are many reasons for these findings to show up together,
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not just child abuse. Shake and baby syndrome, also sometimes
called abusive head trauma, isn't the only reliable science used
to take kids away from their parents and lock up caregivers.
Others similarly vague or poorly understood diagnoses have led to
the separation and victimization of families. In these cases, the
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errors of medical and legal systems intertwine, creating a tangled
mess that can be difficult to solve and heartbreaking for
everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
At six pm, and the usual controlled cast of the
day is finally wound down. Most of your daylight hours
are filled with the sounds of giggling kids and, yes,
the occasional whining and tantrums. You've been a licensed childcare
provider for the past fifteen years and you run a
daycare center out of your house. You wave goodbye to
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the last toddler to get picked up by his dad
from your doorway, then you head back inside. Your two
middle schoolers are sitting at the kitchen table doing their homework,
so you take advantage of the brief moment of quiet
to start getting dinner ready. But the quiet doesn't last
more than a few minutes. There's a knock on the door.
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You're sure it's one of the kid's parents picking up
a missing toy, but your heart sinks to your stomach
when you see that it's the police. You quickly open
the door, worry that something might have happened to your husband,
who hasn't gotten home from work yet. Hi, there is
everything okay? You ask They ask you your name, and
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they say, ma'am, do you run a daycare out of
this house? Yes? I do. What seems to be the
problem you'll need to come with us. What do you
mean I can right now. I'm getting dinner ready for
my kids. Ma'am. You don't understand. You need to turn
around and put your hands behind your back. You're under arrest.
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You'll feel the cold handcuffs tighten around your wrists. What
is this all about. There's a child in your care name.
You know who Maria is, ma'am. She died from brain
injuries after spending the day in your care. So I'm
gonna read you your rights. You're speechless, Maria, that little
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girl who spent one session at your daycare months ago.
You can't compute, but you're a mom, and so you
leap into action for your kids. You don't want to
scare them, so you try to prevent your voice from
cracking as you call them over. You tell your fourteen
year old look after your little brother. Call your dad,
he'll be here soon. Tell him not to worry, and
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you don't worry. This is all going to work out.
You put on a brave face for them, and you
try not to panic as one of the officers pushes
your head down in that classic move that leads a
suspect into the back of a police car. Your world
has turned upside down in an instant. As the police
car pulls away from your house and down the street
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toward the County gi you sit in jail before your
trial and replay the events of the day. You watch
Maria over and over again in your head. You were
sitting on the carpet helping one of the little boys
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get a train rolling on its tracks when there was
a knock at the door. You answered it and you
saw a smiling baby in the arms of her mother.
This must be Maria, you said, smiling at the toddler.
You took Maria from her mother's arms and helped the
little girl wave goodbye with her tiny hand while her
mom pulled out of the driveway. Maria was happy and
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playful all day until about noon. She started crying, and
you recognize that as the telltale sign of a tired baby.
You put her down for a nap, and a few
hours later Maria's mom came back. Maria was still sleeping.
You watched her pick Maria up from the crib, trying
not to wake her. Maria slept on her mom's shoulder
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the whole weight to the car. You watched as they
pulled out of the driveway. That's everything you can remember
from that day, but that's not what happened. What you
didn't know is that when Maria and her mother pulled
up to their home, Maria was slumped over in her
car seat, her head almost in her lap, and she'd
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thrown up all over herself. Maria wouldn't wake up, so
her mom called nine to one one and she was
rushed to the hospital. The doctor said that the baby's
brain was bleeding and swollen, and her blood sugar was high.
The doctors frantically worked on her, trying to revive her,
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but eventually Maria was put on life support. She died
about a week later. Approximately two months after that, the
police showed up at your house and arrested you. Sitting
in your jail cell, you're paralyzed by the horror of
all this. One family lost their baby, and your kids
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are at home wondering if their mother will be around
to watch them grow up. Now it's the day of
your trial. Your lawyer doesn't dispute that bleeding and swelling
of Maria's brain caused her death, but there was no
evidence that it was caused by anything you did. There
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was no evidence whatsoever that you abused Maria in any way.
She didn't have any broken bones, no injuries to her
neck or spinal column or anything like that. And there was,
in fact another explanation for Maria's injuries. When she had
been admitted to the hospital, her blood sugar level was
four times higher than what was considered to be normal,
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and so it was possible that Maria's brain injuries may
have been caused by an undiagnosed metabolic disorder like diabetes.
But when the prosecution makes its case, the pain and
mystery around Maria's death is sharpened to a fine point.
A child abuse specialist takes the stand and tells the
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jury that Maria had bleeding and swelling in her brain
and bleeding behind her eyes. Let me make it clear,
the expert witness said, these injuries mean that Maria incurred
physical abuse associated with trauma to the head. There is
no other way these injuries could have occurred. You sit
there next to your defense attorney and your heart starts
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beating fast, your sweating. You know what she's saying can't
be true. You've been watching kids for your entire adult life.
You would never, you have never hurt a child. And
yet you know that if you were a member of
that jury and you heard this testimony from this doctor,
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that you would probably believe it too. You would also
want to be able to hold someone accountable for the
death of this innocent child. When the jury goes into
their deliberations, you're not just worried about the outcome of
your trial. Your heart is also broken for Maria's family.
You know you'll never be able to wrap your head
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around their grief, but you also know that putting an
innocent person in prison won't bring their baby back. After
just two days of deliberating, the jury comes back with
a guilty verdict. You bury your face in your hands
as the verdict has read. At your sentencing, the prosecution
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reads letters from Maria's family. Her mother had addressed one
of them to you. It said, you killed my baby. Why?
Why did you do this? I beg this chord to
give you the maximum sentence possible. You are sentenced to
fifteen years in prison for manslaughter. The story you just
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heard is loosely based on Stephanie Spurgeon's wrongful conviction in
two thousand and eight. Innocent people have been convicted based
on medical testimony, which claims that three symptoms bleeding of
the brain, swelling of the brain, and bleeding behind the eyes,
indicates a form of child abuse referred to as shaken
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baby syndrome, but this medical testimony has proven to be problematic.
With the help of the Innocence Project and the Exoneration
Project from the University of Chicago Law School, the evidence
in Stephanie's case was re examined and she was released
from prison in August twenty twenty. But many others are
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not as lucky and continue to serve sentences for crimes
they did not commit. There's nothing more devastating than the
death of a child. When a tragedy like that occurs,
it's natural to want answers, how did this happen, who
should we hold accountable for this, and what could have
been done to prevent it. What might be most difficult
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for jurors to accept is that the death was completely accidental,
that there was nothing anyone did to cause it, and
nothing could have been done to stop it. I'm Josh Dubin,
civil rights and criminal defense attorney, an Innocent ambassador to
the Innocence Project in New York. Today on wrongful conviction,
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junk science we'll explore how what's known as shaken baby
syndrome has been used to falsely implicate people in crimes
that they did not commit. It turns out that shaken
baby syndrome isn't a full proof diagnosis. There are many
other causes for the symptoms of shaken baby syndrome that
do not arise from intentionally shaking a baby. In nineteen
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sixty nine, two scientists put a live reciss monkey under
anesthesia and strapped it to a chair made of fiberglass.
The fiberglass chair was then attached to roller skate wheels.
When the tiny car accelerated and then decelerated quickly, the
passenger's head that is, the monkey's head, was flung backwards
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then quickly snapped forward. Scientists wanted to study the effect
of whiplash during a car crash, so the tiny car
with the little monkey passenger was designed to mimic the
movement of a car during a rear end collision. Of
the fifty monkeys that took a ride in the whiplash car,
nineteen of them sustained a concussion. The study proved that
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direct impact from a hard surface to the head isn't
necessary to cause traumatic brain injuries. The human brain can
be injured just from a head being violently jerked back
and forth, causing the brain to rattle around inside the skull.
This study had important repercussions for car safety. It's part
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of the reason why cars are supposed to have headrests
to prevent brain injuries due to whiplash during an accident.
But this study also interested a British pediatric neurosurgeon named
Norman Guthkelch. Now, Doctor Guthkelch had been noticing infants coming
into his office with no outward signs of abuse, no bruising,
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no broken bones, but they had bleeding around their brain.
He wondered if these children had been getting whiplash not
from a car crash, but from their parents and caregivers. Now,
at the time in Northern England, shaking babies was a
socially acceptable way of calming, quieting, and and even disciplining
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a fussy baby. In fact, when doctor Guthkelch saw children
with bleeding around their brain, he asked parents if they
sometimes shook their child. Many parents readily confess they would
say yes. Johnny wouldn't stop crying, so I gave him
a good shaking doctor guth Kelch suspected that shaking an
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infant mimicked the motion of whiplash, and so he wrote
a short two page paper. It said that trauma to
a baby's brain, even when no other signs of physical
abuse were present, may in fact be caused by violent shaking.
Doctor guth Kelch never claimed that there might not be
other causes of bleeding around the brain. He simply hypothesized
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that shaking might be the cause of it. His hope
was that doctors who read his study would help teach
parents to handle their infants more gently to avoid accidental harm.
After doctor guth Kelch's article was published, other doctors continue
to research this issue. They found that three symptoms in
particular were associated with shaking a baby. These symptoms were
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subdural hematoma, retinal hemorrhage, and cerebral edema that is bleeding
around the brain, bleeding behind the eyes, and brain swelling.
These three symptoms became known as the quote classic triad,
the signs that are said to be an indicator of
shaken baby syndrome. The problem is that these three symptoms
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became synonymous with shaken baby syndrome. If these three symptoms
were present, it was thought that a parent or caretaker
must have intentionally shaken their infant, and so when parents
showed up to the hospital with a sick child who
exhibited some or all of the symptoms of the triad,
their children were taken away from them. The parents were
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put on trial, and they were sometimes convicted of abusing
or even killing their own child. As parents started to
be accused of child abuse based solely on the hypothesis
of shaking baby syndrome, doctor Gothkelch knew he had to
do something he never meant for his short paper to
be used as a tool for prosecution. The whole point
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of his paper was to help parents, not criminalize them.
Doctor Gouthkelch continued to fight for wrongfully convicted parents and
caregivers up until he died in twenty sixteen at the
ripe age of one hundred and one years old.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
No one was really suggesting that this should be a
mechanism for prosecuting anyone. They acknowledged, and you know, pretty
clearly articulated that what they were talking about was a
hypothesis about why children might have these findings. But it
then started to be used as a paradigm for prosecution,
and that's really where it runs into trouble because instead
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of continuing to research and look for answers, physicians and
prosecutors started to accept it without looking further into the
kinds of claims that experts were making about it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Today on our show, we're speaking with Kate Judson. Kate
is the executive director for the Center for Integrity and
Forensic Sciences, and she was one of the lawyers who
represented Stephanie Spurgeon, whose story we discussed at the beginning
of our show. So to start tell us about what
we should understand about the difference between shaking baby syndrome
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as a hypothesis rather than as a diagnosis.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I think there are a lot of ways in which
it differs significantly from other medical diagnoses. So child abuse
and particularly shaken baby syndrome is much more a determination
of etiology of how somebody got the medical findings then
the medical findings themselves. So the kinds of findings that
are often attributed to child abuse in shaken baby syndrome
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and abusive head trauma cases can be due to trauma,
but it isn't always, so there are medical conditions that
can cause these kinds of medical findings as well, and
so sometimes the evidence of actual innocence is new medical
opinions that support the idea that the child had a
disease or another kind of condition that led to their
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medical findings, rather than any kind of trauma or abuse.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So let's back off for a second to when this
first started to be used at trial. How did this
diagnosis become something that prosecutors were able to weaponize against defendants.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Part of what makes it seductive if you're trying to
protect children and punish wrongdoing is that it seemed at
the time very definitive. Pyusicians were saying, if a child
has this set of injuries, they have been abused, and
that abuse consisted of shaking, and we know that, and
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there are no exceptions, or very very few exceptions. I mean,
in fact, at the time, there are plenty of transcripts
available where physicians said nothing else causes this, right, and
so it gives a very clear and definitive answer. No
one has to wonder in the face of such an answer,
what happened to a child who died, who previously would
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have no explanation for their death. It's definitive, it's clear
and frankly, really effective in court, often resulting in a
conviction almost all the time. So I think that it
gave people who were involved in the criminal legal system
the impression that they were successfully locking up people who
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were dangerous who had murdered a child. And it turns
out it's not that straightforward.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So tell us more about other ways a child can
come to have the same kind of symptoms or the
same sort of trauma that are usually associated with shaking
baby syndrome.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
There are things like infection, serious infection, genetic disorders, problems
with blood clotting, certain kinds of tumors, certain kinds of
blood cloths, you know, like a pediatric stroke. There are
cases where the medical findings are thought to have arisen
after events like choking. But what really started to come
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to light in twenty sixteen there was a report done
by the Swedish government that looked at medical literature that
discussed you know what is colloquially called the triad that
the combination of subdralhematoma, rental hemorrhage, and cerebral edema, and
looked at children who were diagnosed as and studies of
children who were diagnosed as being abused based on those findings.
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What they found was that the data was not there,
that it was very incomplete, and they recommended that the
Swedish government no longer prosecute people under that paradigm. And
the reaction that that got from, you know, child advocates
and child abast pediatricians was simply to attack the people
who did the report. You know, there's been a real
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lack of serious engagement around the failings in the literature
that everybody knows are there, and so that is really
a shame and that's not how science progresses, and that's
not how people get fair trials. People who who are
admirably concerned about protecting children have unfortunately written things like
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editorials in journals engaging in personal attacks instead of trying
to figure out how to best approach these kinds of cases.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And that's part of what makes studies and being critical
of the shaken baby hypothesis really difficult. People often assume
that critics of shaken baby syndrome are trying to side
with child abusers, and of course that's not the case. Researchers, doctors,
lawyers who are critical of shaking baby syndrome are just
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trying to make sure that people don't get accused of
crimes they didn't commit based on misleading evidence. And on
the other side of this battle, there are well meaning
people who are trying to protect children from abuse. I
know that expert witnesses and cases involving child abuse are
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often doctors, So tell us more about that. Who are
the doctors who testify during these cases for the prosecution
as experts?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
So there are different kinds of physicians. They're not always
child abuse pediatricians, but they frequently are child abuse pediatricians.
There are about three hundred child abuse pediatricians in the
United States. It's a new subspecialty. I believe the first
child abuse pediatricians were board certified in twenty eleven, so
it's quite new. So their job is to evaluate children
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in hospitals or clinics for child abuse and yes, to
testify in cases or to create reports for law enforcement
agencies for the courts.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So that's interesting. I guess talking about biases, I could
imagine that someone who's trained to look for child abuse
could just start seeing abuse everywhere. It's what they know,
it's what they study, it's what they look for. They think,
you know, this is a symptom that comes up with
people who are victims of abuse, so it must be abused.
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It's you know, becomes difficult to see outside of your
own tunnel vision. And so when a medical specialty is
geared directly towards one conclusion or looking out for one thing,
of course, even with the best of intentions, it could
be easy for these doctors to get tunnel vision right.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
That's a real concern when analysts are, for example, embedded
with law enforcement. When the crime lab is part of
the police department, for example, we see this role affects bias.
Analysts start to see themselves as part of the law
enforcement team rather than as an objective, independent scientist. But
the same issue was present when child abuse pediatricians are
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part of a child abuse team, especially when those teams
involve police and investigators and prosecutors and don't involve people,
for example, from the defense bar. And since they're all
human beings, it's not unreasonable to say that the same
concerns we have about analysts housed within a police station
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or who work very closely with police and prosecutors, that
other kinds of experts might be subject to those same biases.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think another reason that there are so many wrongful
convictions when people are accused of abuse, is that everybody involved, jurors, lawyers,
the doctors, they don't want to get it wrong because,
let's just face it, setting a potential child abuse are
free is a scary proposition. The stakes are very high
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in these cases.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So really often I hear people respond to these concerns,
particularly people who are who are working in kind of
the child abuse field, respond to these concerns about wrongful
convictions by saying, well, we just want to air on
the side of the child, right, But in these kinds
of cases there's really no way to do that. Any
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error is harmful. This idea that you can air safely
on the side of the child is a false one.
And that's because if you get this wrong. If a
child is being diagnosed as or being determined to have
been abused and they haven't been, a couple of things
can happen. One is that a child can be deprived
of a loving home and separated from loving parents and caregivers.
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And studies have shown over and over and over again
that separating children from their family is traumatic. It is
sometimes a necessary harm, but it is always harmful.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Even for people who are just accused of child abuse
and they don't get convicted, but just have to go
through the trial. That in itself can be so damaging
to children and their families.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I mean it's anecdotal, but I pretty frequently hear from
families who say, like, we're really grateful that nobody in
our family was convicted, but our kids are still suffering
all kinds of harm and problems from the trauma that
was inflicted upon them just from even a brief separation.
So there may very well be good reason reasons to
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separate families, But what we can't do is go to
court and say that the abuse is more definitive than
the science actually supp if that makes sense. The other
problem is that when these cases are not medically investigated carefully,
there is the chance that a child will be classified
as having been abused when they actually have a serious illness,
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and that is also really problematic can potentially lead to
more harm or even death because of that misdiagnosis.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
It seems almost unlikely that evidence in child abuse cases
can be similar to other forensic disciplines that we've talked
about on our show, But it turns out that the
same tactics used to convict people based on faulty pattern
matching evidence, for example, is really the same thing we're
dealing with here. In instances of you know, alleged.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Child abuse, the kind of biases that we see in
other kinds of forensic sciences are certainly present here. And
because there is no gold standard criteria, no simple or
single test that allows any to make a diagnosis of
child abuse, you end up having to fall back on
so much subjectivity of the person examining the child and
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looking at the facts, and what we know from pattern
matching disciplines in particular, but also things like ours and investigation,
is that the more subjectivity that is introduced into the system,
the less reliable your result can be. Sometimes when you
look at the breakdown of cases where people get wrongfully
convicted based on faulty forensic science, and a majority of them,
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part of the faulty forensic science is that the expert
spoke to the jury with more certainty than the science warranted.
The same is true in cases with medical testimony. So
when a doctor says that a fracture or a subdural
hematoma or a retinal hemorrhage can only be caused by
child abuse, and there's no other explanation that is definitive,
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it is convincing that is stated with more certainty than
the science can support, and that can certainly lead to
an unfair trial and a wrongful conviction.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So, in your opinion, when something as tragic as a
baby dying happens, what can we do to make sure
that the cause of death is determined correctly so that
parents and caretakers stop being wrongfully accused based on this
shaken baby hypothesis.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
There really should be really rigorous testing in all of
these cases, and not every case out there gets the
benefit of really careful, comprehensive testing. There's actually kind of
a famous case that a district attorney from Queen's has
used in a bunch of presentations where there was a
videotaped fall. A child fell at a mall and off
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of just a really short fall off of a piece
of playground equipment and later died, and investigators embarked upon
an extremely complex and comprehensive medical evaluation, and when they
did that, they found that there were potentially some blood
disorders lurking within the family. And while the child who
died never definitively tested positive for a bleeding disorder. Her
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parents were carrying genes that suggested that she may have
had one that may have contributed to her death. But
I have to tell you that it's uncommon that that
kind of testing is done. I have seen it become
more common, and hopefully it will continue to become more common.
But that's just a great example of really thorough evaluation,
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clarifying that a deceased child died because of a tragic accident,
not because anybody hurt her.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
When I think about people convicted based on this type
of evidence, it's usually a parent that we're talking about.
Someone who has just lost their child, is going through
this unimaginable tragedy, and then to be accused of being
the one that actually inflicted this harm a lot to
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wrap your head around. It's like too much to.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Bear for parents who go through this. They have a
double tragedy, right They have the loss of the life
or health of their child, which is incredibly tragic, and
then they have this prosecution, which threatens their freedom, often
threatens their relationship with their other children. In some of
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these cases, parents might lose custody of other children in
the family, it's horrifying. It's horrifying as.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
A lawyer to it. It must be difficult to be
watching this unfold.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, it's an incredibly emotional situation. And in fact, there
are some lawyers who find these cases so disturbing and
disruptive that they do one and they never want to
do another one. You do care about that happening. I mean,
it's not easy. It's always difficult. They are very emotional,
they are very upsetting. It is it's difficult to be
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there for someone who has gone through, like, like I said,
this double tragedy, right where a child that you know
that they loved and cared about is gone or very
or were very different, and then they've they've been accused
of this crime they didn't commit. It's it's it's terrible.
I think the only reason why I feel compelled to
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keep doing it is that what has happened to these
folks is wrong and someone has to help them and
stand up for them. It's not an easy thing, but
I think it's a necessary one.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
When I agreed to host this podcast, I set out
to expose some of the many flaws that exist in
our criminal justice system. Specifically, what I wanted to do
was address what goes wrong when jurors are presented with
what they are told this science but actually turns out
to be well junk. The harms of junk science go
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beyond innocent people having to endure the unthinkable nightmare of
being accused and convicted of crimes they did not commit.
The consequences extend even further than those people having to
endure the rawest and most cutting of human suffering, being
torn from their life and locked in a cage. In
addition to that human tragedy, junk science causes the moral
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fabric of our judicial system to wear and tear at
the seams. It causes an entire institution of law and
order and justice to be completely undermined. In examining the
various disciplines of forensic science we've discussed this season, whether
it was our sin or blood spatter, eyewitness identification, or,
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as in this episode, shaking baby syndrome. I knew it
would be interesting and enlightening, but I never expected it
to affect me in the profound manner that it has.
I have been in turns dumbfounded, angry, saddened, and even outraged.
A trial is supposed to be a search for the truth.
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The word science itself is defined as the study of
the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Our
system of justice has been regarded as not perfect, but
the best way to ensure that people who are accused
of crimes get the fairest shake possible. So how is
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our system of justice veered so far off the tracks?
How have we managed to bastardize and bludgeon What science means?
I don't know if we can ever arrive at a
clear answer. There are probably many explanations. One thing I
do know is that when human beings get involved in
it any endeavor, we bring our own biases or thirst
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for financial gain, our hunches and quirks into the equation,
and in the process we sometimes create such a mess
that it becomes difficult to untangle the hows and whys
of it all. But I still manage to find hope
and a way forward. And here's why. If you've ever
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been fortunate enough to meet someone that has spent time
in prison for a crime they didn't commit, one thing
becomes apparent very quickly. They are the embodiment of all
that is soaring and remarkable about the human condition. They
are a special combination of resilience, hope, forgiveness and strength.
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They are quite simply a force of nature. So I
will continue to pour my energy, every cell in my
body into helping those who are still behind bars for
crimes they did not commit. I will fight to restore
signs to its proper definition in our courtrooms. I am
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propelled by these men and women that represent the triumph
of the human soul. To restore one's life and freedom
is perhaps the highest service to your fellow human being.
I can't even find the words to describe what it's
like to walk someone out of a nightmare of a
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prison cell and into the bright light of freedom to
restore a life. The only way I can articulate it
is that, aside from marrying my wife and the birth
of my children, it is and always will be my
most important contribution to my fellow human beings. There is
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nothing I have done in this life, or could ever
fathom doing, that can ever close. No material gain, no drug,
no drink, nothing at all that can approach the state
of nirvana that consumes your soul when you have helped
save a life, and I think that says a lot
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about who we are at our essence, we are meant
to be of service to one another, to heal each other,
to restore each other. Not a bad message, if I
do say so myself, at a time when it seems
like we could really use it, I encourage all of
you to continue to keep your voices up, write those
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letters to your local prosecutors and judges, be a more
conscientious juror pitching in any way that you can. Together
we can ensure that one day there will be no
more wrongful convictions Based on Junk Science. Wrongful Conviction Junk
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