January 23, 2025 • 40 mins
On Saturday, June 16, 2007, Adrien Jackson and Tierra Pressley where shot multiple times outside of the Off Broadway Lounge in Camden, NJ at around 2:30am. Adrien survived but Tierra died at the hospital that same night. Initially, Adrien Jackson could not identify the assailant. But almost a year later, he speculated that Manfred “Baby J” Younger might have been shooter. Despite no physical evidence and based on primarily on tis unreliable eyewitness testimony, Manfred Younger was charged and convicted of murder and sentenced to 78 years in prison.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
On June seventeenth, two thousand and seven, at around two
thirty a m bars emptied out into the streets of Camden,
New Jersey amid the crowd in the parking lot of
the seventh and Cane Lounge. Gunshots struck twenty four year
old Tierra Presley and thirty two year old Adrian Jackson,
but only Jackson survived and he was unable to offer
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any leads. About six months later, Jackson was secretly recorded
speculating about the identity of his assailants, narrowing his suspects
to someone called Baby Jay and later another called Papa smurfh,
which led police to Madford Younger and Anthony Parker, the
latter of whom was acquitted, but two jail house informants
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claimed that Madford Younger had admitted to being one of
the shooters, sending him away for a minimum of sixty
six years. This is wrongful conviction. You're listening to Wrongful Conviction.
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to Wrongful Conviction, where we've got a New Jersey case.
There haven't been many of those featured here, but that's
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about to change. And calling in to tell his story
from a New Jersey correctional facility, Manfred Younger, Manfred, thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you, man I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And joining Manford to help him tell this insane story
is a voice you're going to recognize. Justin Bonas, who's
been spending a great deal of time in Manfred's hometown
of Cambden, New Jersey, where he's uncovered quite a few
cases in a town that has a history of poverty
and corruption from law enforcement all the way up to
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mayors who had promised urban renewal and economic revitalization.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, because there's no improvement ever in Camden. I think
at one point they had four straight mayors that were
federally indicted. And then there's a period from like nineteen
ninety to twenty thirteen when the Camden County Police Department
was so corrupt. Camden is basically taken over by the
county in twenty twelve. Right before there was a takeover,
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there were like sixty homicides in a city that's only
like seventy five eighty thousand people the most and they
weren't solving them, and then the ones that they were solving.
There's a lot of wrongful convictions, but there is a
sweet spot that I'm working on from like ninety nine
to like twenty eleven, and the show starts for real
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with Martin Devlin, him and his partner Chuck Bentham. I
come to Camden from Phillya and what Devlin became a supervisor.
There's a pattern of single photo identifications and jailhouse informants.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Which is exactly what we're dealing with in this case.
In our audience, you may recall Detective Martin Devlin from
some Philly cases that we covered, Jimmy Dennis, Tony Wright,
Walter Ogrod, Troy Coleman. And after playing his trade in
Philadelphia for twenty five long years, he crossed over the
bridge into one of the most impoverished cities in all
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of America, Camden, New Jersey, where he continued his career
as an investigator in the Camden County Prosecutor's Office. While
Manfred was growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, I grew up in the city of Canaden then
with my mom and my sister and my father. My
father named Manfred J. Younger Jenior. So my name Manfred J.
Younger Junior. So I got the baby J after my father.
I grew up playing community football and stuff that was good.
But we grew up hard city of Canda and the poverty.
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It's messed up out there. We ain't have hot water.
We had to heat the house up with the oven,
boil hot water on the stove. You know, wear each
other clothes where your friends clothed. When it rained, when
it's a thunderstorm or snowstorm, it come through the ceiling.
It was bad in Camden. Ninety five percent of the
people is poor. Because of our population, it's only seventy
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thousand people. We get overlooked. The only reason why we
get noticed is because the crime rate. Other than that,
we don't have nothing. Your mom and them had to
have money though, like growing up. If not, you had
to go to the streets. It ain't excuse, but time
get hard, desperation and that's when I went to the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
By Manfred's perspective, dealing drugs and carrying a gun was
necessary for survival in Camden, all of which made him
vulnerable to prosecution as well as violence. Street violence and
one of the victims in this case, Adrian Jackson, Well,
he was in the same boat, although he wasn't exactly
Anfred's contemporary.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Adrian Jackson is significantly older than Manfred, younger by a lot.
Everyone believed that Adrian Jackson was the target. He has
issues with older people in the drug world and Camden,
who Manfred had some type of affiliation with, But there
was never any real connection here.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I ain't never hang with him and not like that.
All them god older than me.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Adrian Jackson had also cooperated in a case in the
late nineties, so there were motivated parties on the night
that he was shot, none of whom were Manfred, and
along with Jackson, an innocent young woman named Tiera Presley
had also been shot. It was a Saturday night, June
sixteenth into the early hours of June seventeenth, two thousand
and seven, when both victims were out on the town
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with Tiera's cousin, Tia Hannah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They're at a place called Seventh and Caine and what
they would consider the downtown area of Camden, New Jersey,
at around two thirty in the morning is when they
leave out of the bar.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Last call is two am. In New Jersey, so everyone
else was leaving with them, emptying out into this dirt
parking lot next to the bar that was adjacent to
the projects. Now it was a warm night where folks
were already hanging out in front of their buildings as.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, and Adrian Jackson is talking to Tierra and Tia,
I guess walked off a little bit with another woman
named Maisha Ronett Brown. It's not well lit, and two
men came out of nowhere and fired a lot of shots.
Presley was hit six seven times. Jackson was hit over
ten times. The way he shot it, it's very difficult
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to determine whether he could have seen it because he's
like shot in the side and then he's like spun
around when.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
He shot Tia.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Hannah and a man named John Freelan ushered Tiara into
her car and drove it to the hospital curiously, though
without Adrian Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, Jackson stays at the scene and he's just standing
there and people are like freaked out. His adrenaline had
kicked in so much. And then at some point I
think he sits down and passes out or something, and
then he gets picked up an ambulance takes him to
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So by the time police had arrived, the crowd had dispersed,
including Maisha Runnett Brown and her boyfriend Richard Barge, who
becomes important later, but for now, the police forego a
vigorous canvas for eyewitnesses and instead they hope to speak
with the victims as well as Tia Hannah.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Jackson lived amazingly. Tierra dies. Unfortunately, this was an innocent
girl that was killed. Everybody knew that this was a
very big deal. These are not people that didn't want
to cooperate. But Tia Hannah tells the Prosecutor's office investigator
Diane Wilson, over and over again, I can't make an
idea right and Jackson, I mean, it's only by the
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grace of God that Dismand's alive. I mean, he's spun
around like a top. He was in the hospital for
over a month before he became coherent to speak. And
I mean, Adrian Jackson's a criminal. Okay, he has a
terrible background, but let me be clear with you. Adrian
Jackson cooperated before, so this is not a guy that's
apprehensive to talk to the police. And Adrian Jackson tells them, look,
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I was drunk when I came out, I don't know
who shot me, and he's like, you seem like you
don't believe me. If I knew who it was, I
would tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And so without any legitimate leads, the investigation kind of
switched course. It changed tactics right around the same time
that Manford was arrested for an unrelated matter on July fifteenth,
two thousand and seven, possession of an illegal firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm from the city of Camden, so I got caught
with a weapon. That's the only way you know how
to protect yourself. I was in the corner store against
something to eat, and then the cops ran in there
because they were doing the search of like a drug area,
and then they searched me, and I had a gun
on me. I didn't have it legally. So anytime say
a fahamicide happened or shooting happened, and you might get
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locked up with drugs or whatever. Being as duff you
from that area where it happened, they would try to
question you and get you to act like you know something.
You see you know what I'm saying. And Diane Wilson,
she comes in there, I don't know her she don't
know me, so being a dawn young she probably figured like, oh, well,
he might want to get out of this case. So
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she started asking me about crime around the area and
not just this murder, several murders, and I'm like, man
I don't know nothing. So that was my first running
with her. So now that's where she was familiar with
the name baby j But I had bailed out from
that weapon Chuck. I came back home three days after
I was home. I had another case out in another county,
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Gloucester County. I had drugs that time, and I plared
guilty to probation in ninety days cent So I went
to Gloucester County for like seventy two days. Then I
came home September twenty four.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And while Manford was still in Gloucester County jail on
the drug charge, Diane Wilson interviewed Adrian Jackson again on
September sixth, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
They press him again, okay, and I believe they actually
dropped Manfred's name and nickname, which is baby j The
important part about that nickname is there's five other Baby
James in Camden. Jackson again tells them I don't know
who shot me, okay, And the date of that second
interview for Adrian Jackson is a very big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And we'll get to why in just a minute. But first,
around three weeks later, Manford was released from Gloucester County
and was picked up again three days after his release
on September twenty seventh, with his friend Jeffrey Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, we got pulled over by Camden County Police. But
we got to dispatch from the police station where that
Cox said, I'm behind that vam with baby j and
them in there. So obviously somebody had to tell him
about who was in a vam. You give you know
what I'm saying. He lied on a report and said
we was driving sad basically like it was a regular
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traffic stop and I had a gun. And then I
was convicted ready for the drug. Once you get a conviction,
the state tuned to turn it over to the Fed.
That's when the Federal could charge you. It's called possession
of a whitness by previctor seventh and I got locked
back up September twenty seventh, three days I was home,
so I had a poll attorney. The first thing he
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said is they don't want you. They want your boy.
Jones was my cole descendant. They believe that I know
all this stuff, like I don't know that guy like that.
So basically he was saying, like, yo, if you give
up information on him, they'll let you go. So I'm
just collateral damage. I took a flat rate play sixty
months for the gun charge. All this was in two
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thousand and seven, and I've never seen the streets again.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Five years in federal prison was able to eventually morph
into a much longer state sentence, starting with a man
named Troy Loan.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Troy Loan got caught with a gun. He wanted the
way out of prison, so he told detective Wilson that
Adrian Jackson told him who did that to him? So
Roy Long wore a tape recorder on Jackson. On a
tape recorder, Jackson he ain't say he's seen nobody in
that he was speculating and they was talking about all
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these other old murders and Jackson admitting to the drug game.
He's also on wire tap saying that he lied in
another murder trial and then placed itself at the scene
of a murder and he wasn't even there. So he's
already got a pattern of lion fabricating story, but.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The prosecutor's officer doesn't care about that. And it's this
is what's so outrageous about this surreptitious audio recording. He's
going through in his mind who he thinks may or
may not have done this. So Jackson starts talking about
the fact that he has beef with these older gentlemen,
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and who is affiliated with these older gentlemen and now
understand this, he knows a nickname, which is Baby j.
He admits he doesn't know Baby Jack and in this
conversation between him and Troy Loan, he said it couldn't
have been this guy named Sean, so it had to
be Baby J. And and he mentions that another guys
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a driver. Understand is there were multiple people that watched
two shooters run from the scene and not get into
a car. They just ran from a scene, right, So
he's guessing and by the process of elimination, he says
it's probably Baby j.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
As we know, Babyjy also happens to be Manfred's nickname,
but he's not the only Baby Jay in Camden. The
other nickname Jackson eventually mentioned was Papa Smurf aka Anthony Parker,
who in turn became Manfred's co defendant.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Interestingly, with Jackson in the audio to Troy Loan, he
did not identify Papa Smurf initially Anthony Parker. And again
this goes to show you that this guy Jackson is
just guessing.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And Jackson's unreliability was also made clear by something else
that he said on this audio recording.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Jackson specifically says that on September sixth of two thousand,
thousand and seven, when he came out of the prosecutor's
office after they're asking him about Manfreed Younger and he
doesn't know who this is, that he sees baby jack
driving and he wanted to kill him and doesn't do
it because it's broad daylight. So there's a huge problem
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with that, which is that Manfred Younger is incarcerated at
that point, So whoever he saw could not have been
Baby J or at least a baby J that's Manfred Younger.
It's impossible.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
The name BABYJ came up. That's when Diane Wilson went
full throttle. She called Jackson and said, we got new information.
You know who did it to you? Jackson stated again,
I told you I don't know who it was. But
when she pushed play, he got scared for all the
criminating statements he made about being a big time drug
dealer having guns, and he gave the name BABYJ with
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no hairstyle, no nothing, no race, no nothing. So she
went and got one picture of me and showed him.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Diane Wilson shows him a photo on some this is
the guy right? He says, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
They went to him with one photo, not a photo
or a one photo of me.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That is the evidence that gets Manfred Younger arrested.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
At this point, it's summer two thousand and eight. Manfred
was already in federal custody on the September twenty seventh
the gun charge, and he was brought in for his arraignment.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I go in the courtroom to get my bill, Diane Wilson,
get Tia Hannah, and Tia Hannah own words. Diane Wilson
get her to point me out at her arrangement here.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She's very adamant that she couldn't make an identification until
the arraignment. And I mean, come on, the guy's getting
arraigned for the murder of your cousin, and she's with
Diane Wilson, Tierra Presley's family, and then all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, a year and a half later, you say, yay,
he's the one. So Diane Wilson and the Camdens City
Police know that they have a really weak case, and
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Devlin is supervising us, and we have a pattern here
of the then go to the jail house informance, which
is Jamie Channer and Jamal Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
When you go to freederal prison. If you're from Jersey,
you rolle with Jersey people. If you Muslim, you run
with the Muslims. If whatever click you run with, that's
your crew. So amongst your crew, you got people who's
productive for the people of your crew. And you need
help with your case, you go to the Muslim power
leaguer Canner he was our paralleger.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Jamie Channer was a jail house lawyer that helped manfreed
with the allevi It's the extradition process for gun charge
that is totally unrelated. So he sees the probable cause statement,
the criminal complaint come through, so he knows the name
of the deceased, and the guy who gets shot doesn't
know anything other than that.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He writes Camden County Prosecutor Office and bargain with them
and say, I know information by the murder, but I
want three years off. He didn't give the information an
initial letter. You see what I'm saying. So Diane Wilson
calls him.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Jamie Channer says, hey, this guy admitted to this murder
over and over and over against He's writing letters to
Diane Wilson, and the information was basically wrong and develops overtime.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She spoke to that guy five times. If I tell
you I have a red Mustang today, five years later,
I should tell you I have a red Mustang. And
every time he talked to her, he'd come back with
additional information.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Even after five conversations, he still got the details wrong.
In the statement that developed, Channer said that Jackson shielded
himself behind Presley, which is contradicted by witnesses and the forensics.
Then he gets the motive wrong as well.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Channer said it was a gang initiated motive, a blood initiates.
Diane Wilson stipulated that she know I wasn't blood and
that wasn't even a motive, but she still allowed him
to say that in front of a jority.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Then in comes Jamal Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
In October of two thousand and nine. They go get
Jamal Gibbs, who's a serial cooperator. Now Jamal Gibbs's handler
is Jim Pizzano, but Jamal Gibbs is very close friends
with Martin Devlin. I have information from another case that
Gibbs actually refers to Martin Devlin as Sarge doing an interview.
The cops know exactly who he's talking about Devlin was
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supervising Manfred Younger's investigation, and Jamal Gibbs is an admitted killer.
By this point, he's pled guilty. He's looking to get
out of jail and says, presumably at the behest of Devlin,
that baby Jay admitted the homicide to.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Me when I was in the county, I was gonna
protective cuss to be status. So it's no way we
can interact, no way.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The interesting thing about that is by this point Gibbs
is cooperating against like ten people, So everybody in the
Camden County jail knows that Jamal Gibbs us a cooperator.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He was jumping in people cases like anytime your case
is weak, Jamal Gibbs ended up inside the case to
coroborate the motive or theory to strengthen the case. Like
the whole jail knew, stay away from that guy because
he a lie and fabrication information to get out his
own murder.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Why would Manfred Younger tell him he committed a murder.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Never mind that he didn't even have an opportunity to
do so. Thankfully, other guys came forward to Manfred's attorney
took discredit Gibbs, which became part of trial strategy when
Manfred and his co defendant Anthony Parker were tried in
March twenty eleven, where the state had about five main witnesses,
including Tia Hannah, who had previously id'd Manfred at his arrangement.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
She recance the idea trial.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
A prosecutor to try to get her to say with me.
Tia said, I don't know. I didn't see the guy's face,
but she's seen the description of brownskin guy with sure hair.
So the prosecutor say, point to the brownskin guy.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Point to the brownskin guy.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
My lawyer. He object. Even the judge said that that
was wrong. It was petering over the line.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And then she gives an affidavit recanting the ID and
saying this is my cousin. They basically coerced me into
making any identification in this case.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
John Frehlan also testified about trying Tierra Presley to the
hospital and how Tia Hannah had said even then that
she couldn't identify the shooter.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Hannah's essentially eliminated, but again the jury sees her point
Manfred out in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
The state also presented Troy Loan, who spoke about recording
Jackson's speculation about his shooters naming Baby J. Then Adrian
Jackson id'd Manfred as Baby J from the stand.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What the jury never hears is that on September sixth
of two thousand and seven, when Adrian Jackson says he's
leaving the prosecutor's office and says that he sees manfre
Younger and wanted to kill him, that could not have
been man for Younger because Manfred Younger was incarcerated. It's
my belief that the attorney did not present that information
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because he did not want to admit that his client
had a criminal record in front of the jury. But
that's a huge piece of evidence that Adrian Jackson did
not know who Manfred Younger was and his identification is
wholly unreliable.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Then Adrian Jackson idd Anthony Parker as Papa Smurf. But
the attorneys did cross examine Jackson about not being able
to identify his assailants for his first three interviews.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The evidence against Anthony Parker was strictly Adrian Jackson, and
that's it. And look at who got acquitted and who
got convicted. It's my belief that's why the jailhouse informants
were so critical in this case. I mean they were
mentioned in the opening statement, and then they were mentioned
a lot in summation by the prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And the jailhouse informants were focused solely on Manfred. As
we already said, Jamie Lee Channer's statement was unsupported by reality.
Manfred was not a blood and was not ordered by
the Bloods to kill Jackson. Diane Wilson stipulated to that. Additionally,
Jackson had not used Presley as a human shield, there
was no getaway driver, and he also said that Manfred
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did the shooting alone.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's just shocking that you a lie like that. Even
the ballistics show two shooters, two different guns, two different
shell cases. All the witnesses say two shooters, but he
lie and say I did it myself. Like the physical
evidence outweighed what he talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Jamie Lee Channer even admitted in his own trial testimony
that after Manfred Younger left the federal facility that he
was in, he was getting more information to give to
the prosecutor. Are you kidding me? That means that he
presumably was being fed information from the prosecutor's office. The
whole purpose of a jail house informant is the person
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says out of their mouth that they committed this crime. Right,
it's called this statement against penal interest. It goes against
the defendant's interests to admit to committing a crime. So
therefore it is assumed that those statements are reliable. The
problem with that is when you have a witness that
has a tremendous incentive to lie about what that person said.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The prosecutor lied, said she didn't give them nothing. He
lied and said he was coming ford protect the public,
but all alone he got a favor.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right after Manfred Younger gets sentenced, the prosecutor in the
case writes a letter to a federal judge saying he
provided substantial assistance give him a time cut. But Jamie
Channer says, I didn't get anything for my testimony.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And without this an even more impeachment evidence that was
discovered after trial, Channer's testimony appeared believable, as did Jamal Gibbs,
who also claimed to have received nothing in return when
he testified that he knew Presley from high school and
press Gibbs about the senseless killing.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
They used the professional snitch Jamal Gibbs to come up
with a theory and a motive to inflame the jury.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
The theory was that Jeffrey Jones, Manfred's co defended from
the federal gun charge, ordered him to kill Jackson for
some slight and that Jackson grabbed Presley again with the
unsupported human shield narrative, and Gibbs alleged that when pressed further,
Manford responded, and this is a quote, fucked that bitch.
She all out there in the way, man, she got
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to get handled. Eighty crippling crazy. They can get it, man,
it don't even matter.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Fuck her end quote, which is incredibly inflammatory, obviously, but
Manfred's lawyer had seven rebuttal witnesses, including Milton Gardner and
Brian Montinez.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Milton Gardner testifies that Gibbs is lying what they call
jumping on people's cases, that this is a practice of
his of finding people's cases and getting on them from
a time cut. And we have information that Gibbs was
also getting discovery from the prosecutor's office, presumably Martin Devlin,
to make his trial testimony more accurate, and that Gibbs
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was recruiting other people. Brian Montinez testified that he was
approached by Jamal Gibbs that Gibbs was actively seeking cooperators
and Montonez knew Martin devil because Gibbs.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's discovered later that even more witnesses had discredited Gibbs.
That didn't make it into the defense trial strategy, but
at least some damage was done.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The prosecutor harped on the credibility of Jamie Lee Channer
and Jamal Gibbs over and over again because the identification
in the case was so weak.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
At the time. You believe like these guys ain't got
no credibility. The jury didn't believe Jackson. I had to
read backs on channering Gibbs. I trusted the process, thinking
that the process was fair, but it obviously is not. Basically,
they went with Channer and Gibbs. Then that's when they
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came back with the guilty verdict. I didn't even go
in there. I was in a bullpen because something had
happened with the sheriff's officers. So my lawyer basically came
back and told me the news.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Manfred received two consecutive census sixty years for the murder
and eighteen years for the attempted murder a seventy eight
year sentence with parole eligibility after sixty six years, and
the sentence began while he was serving out his five
year federal sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Most of my time I stayed in the county because
I had the court situation with this case. So the
time almost up anyway. You believe that the pill process
take like a year eighteen months, but I had time anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So that's how I looked at it, like I'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Back on a pill. So then after that I came
here from Camden County. I'm in New Jersey State Prison
now MAXIM Secure facility and federal prison. You get to
go out all day from six thirty am to nine pm.
You out the room, but here you lock down all day.
Basically you get yard every other day. You get to shower,
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you get to use the Kia is the size of
a bathroom, smaller than the bathroom. For by success, I
work out, listen to music, talk to my family, watch TV.
For the first and most part followed the law. It's
hard man. A lot of gods lose their mind down here.
It's a rough spot. But you just got the only
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focus is to get out of jail. When I came here,
my mind frame, like I said, you be thinking, you
trust the process because you innocent, So you get a
lawyer on direct to tell automatically God that don't know
no better leave it up to the lawyer and they
don't do no research. But I still was young, so
I came down here playing basketball, running around. So my
mind frame was let the lawyer do everything till then
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as I got older and start figuring her out. Now
I helped myself help the lawyer. I cut my TV
off and went through all my trial transcripts and stuff.
That's when I started finding new evidence that wasn't presented
that trial that basically shows and proved that I've been framed.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That One major development was Richard Barge. Not only was
he another Jamal Gibbs victim, but he also was an
eyewitness who had come forward to Manfred's attorney pre trial.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
When we were in the county back in two thousand
and nine. He was like, yo, man, tell you a
lawyer to contact me. Man, you ain't do that shit.
So I told my lawyer about it. So he went
to see Richard Barge.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
And he tells them that he was out there that
night with a woman who Tia Hannah says is at
the scene.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And that girlfriend was Maisha Brown, the person Tia Hannah
was next to when the shots rang out.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
He says that man for Younger isn't one of the shooters,
that he was actually standing in the general vicinity of
where Adrienne Jackson and Tierra Presley were standing when the
shots rang out, and he knows Manford Younger, and he
says that Younger is not one of the shooters. Unfortunately,
man for Younger's lawyer never calls Richard Barge.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
My lawyer was like, well, I believe he was there,
but the jury might not believe him because both of
y'all got Jamal gar.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Gates, which seems like a colossal lapse in judgment considering
what Jamal Gibbs testified to in Barge's trial.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
In Richard Barge's case, he actually testified that Richard Barge
admitted to a homicide via sign language, but.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
When this ineffective council claim was presented at a post
conviction hearing, Manford's attorney was also called to the stand,
where he had trouble recalling his interaction with Richard Barge
or with Manfred about using barge.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, he was old already, he was eighty years old,
so when he came to the PCR here he was
even way like off track.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nevertheless, the judge decided to err on the side of
defense council's murky recollection of his final trial after a
thirty six year career. But this wasn't defense Council's only misstep.
As we mentioned, counsel never raised the problem with Jackson's
id illustrated by his alleged spotting of baby Jay on
September sixth, two thousand and seven, while Manford was incarcerated
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in Gloucester County Jail. So Manfred's PCR motion was denied
in twenty eighteen. But so much more has been discovered
since then.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Number One, that Jamie Lee Channer, who testified a trial,
he did not receive a benefit, that he was doing
this out of the kindness of his heart. He absolutely
received a benefit. He received a time cut, He received
support from the Camden County Prosecutor's office to get out
of jail. Jamal Gibbs testified that he was not receiving
anything for his testimony. Now, this guy played guilty to manslaughter.
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He's a killer. Jamal Gibbs. He pleads guilty to manslaughter.
At sentencing, the judge is going to hear all the
cooperation right and consider that in so his trial testimony
that he's he already received his deal, that he expects
to get five years. That's what he says. I expected
a fighter. This guy gets five years for killing a person.
(31:47):
It turns out he got money and housing for his testimony.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So he got money, housing and the sweet deal of
just five years for murder.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Wow, and what was interesting this guy? As this His
child's mother comes forward and says that he admitted to
her that he was lying in cases to get out
of jail. I forget. What he's saying is why do
ten when you can lie on ten?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All this?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Why do ten when you can lie on a friend
or something like that. That was his thing, and it's
come out in the investigation. He did not like man
for younger. But his baby mother comes forward, provides a
sworn statement to an investigator, says that he admitted the
lying in cases to her and that he shot up
her house because he thought she was talking to the
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Camden County prosecutors. The second he gets out of jail,
he shoots her house up. She goes to the Camden
County Prosecutor's office and they bury it. They refuse to
help her.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So we've established that Channer and Gibbs were not telling
the truth and were incentivized to lie. But now there
are witnesses to corroborate Richard Barge's statement and Man for gennicence.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
There's a gentleman by the name of Antoine Stanley who
was also out there that night, who said that he
sees the shooters run up and that Man for Younger
couldn't have been one of them. He knew Man for
Younger couldn't be Man for Younger. Another witness, Darryl Debbie,
Troy Loan's nephew by the way, who actually says that
Troy Loan suggested to Adrian Jackson that baby Jay was
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the killer.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
And then, of course there's what has come out about
Martin Devlin in Philadelphia, and it appears that his conduct
only continued in Camden. The single photo identifications supported by
incentivized jailhouse snitches.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's a pattern in that office that begins to really
take shape in the nineties. And guess who arrived in
the nineties Martin Devlin. I mean, they have a pattern
of saying that if you live in Camden, then you
know everybody in Camden. Therefore we can just show anyone
a single photo and let them identify anybody. Everybody knows
everybody in Camden. If you ask the Camden Police Department
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and the Prosecutor's office, everybody knows everybody. That's just not true,
it's systemic, it's endemic. Man for Younger, from my investigation,
is an innocent man that's been sitting in prison for
fifteen years for crime he didn't commit.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
A murder.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He didn't commit and this is something he's been fighting
since day one.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
After Justin picked up Manfred's case at twenty twenty two,
he shared the case with the New Jersey Attorney General's
Conviction Review Unit, but they ran into trouble.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's actually quite heartbreaking because that cru and New Jersey
they did not finish their investigation and essentially there's deadlines
with evidence and it's within a year of me discovering
the deal that Jamie Channer gets. I had to go
to the court with that. So I had to essentially
make a move for Manfred because I can't let a
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Brady claim as strong as what we have with Jamie
Lee Channer sit that he received a deal when really
his testimony was he was a saint, you know what
I mean, like his mother Teresa or something.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Just a concerned citizen.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Out of the goodness of his heart. The guy's a liar.
I couldn't do that. And I've discovered other evidence that
with Gibbs. I mean, we knew that Gibbs had got
money in housing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Jamal Gibbs got paid ten thousand dollars in a house,
and he lied to other cases and they didn't turn
that over.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
And now we have confirmation of that he cooperated in more.
I think they mentioned four cases to defense counsel he
cooperated in. He cooperated in over ten. And that's astounding
in a place of smallest Camden. I mean, it's like,
so everybody who committed a murder that was sitting in
Camden County jail is telling you that they committed the
murder and.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Give He just recently recanted to the Attorney General Office
saying I didn't tell him nothing. He admitted that I
didn't confess to him. This is new, all this new.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The plan is the file a PCR based upon actual innocence,
significant Brady violations based upon what's called the fraud upon
the court, which is that witnesses lied at trial and
the prosecutor knew that they lied at trial by the
prosecutor's own file.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Is there anything that our audience could do to help
besides sharing this episode obviously as at least the first step.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh yeah, I just want y'all to support you. Hear
what's going on. Everything I'm saying is facts. It's not freestyle,
and the facts is documented. Everything is on paper.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Number One, they need to reach out to Matthew Plackin,
who's the Attorney General about Camden County. Number two, they
should write the governor. But number three, they need to
really put pressure on the Camden County Prosecutor's office.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You could go to my Instagram and check everything out
free underscore Manfred, and you get to see what your
own your own eyes.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, we're going to have that length in the episode description,
and with that we're going to go to closing arguments,
where first of all, I thank both of you from
the bottom of my heart for joining us. And now
I'm just going to kick back in my chair with
my microphone off and my headphones on and just listen
to anything else you feel is left to be said.
Justin You're gonna go first, Manfred, You'll take us off
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ato the sunset.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Manfred is not the only case like this, okay. I
represented a gentleman by the name of Tehran Hill who
was exonerated in twenty twenty one, and Tehran Hill almost
spot on with manfreed single photo, two jail house informants,
and through the course of the Attorney General's Conviction Review
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Units investigation determined that the jailhouse informants were unreliable. One
of them were candidate at trial, and then the identification
of Tron Hill was unreliable because of the single photo.
Same thing as man for younger and I have other
cases in Camden County. This is systemic. What's going on here.
They took this man and they threw him in the
(37:37):
garbage camp. His mother is getting up in age. He
does not want to die in prison. It's heartbreaking, and
the Canden County Prosecutor's office thinks that people are just
going to go away. I'm not going away. My name
is Justin Bonus. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It ain't just me, it's the same pattern with the
same guy that pops up in everybody case. It's four
guys down here with me. Now. They got one single
photo jail house snitch. Richard Barrs one photo with the
same jail house smich. Jamal gives in about fifteen cases
murder cases just to save his own behind because he
(38:13):
had his own murder trial. He got five years for
his own case, murder at tempted murder, bank robbery, and
ten thousand doles in the house. Just the fabricate stories
on innocent people. It's the same pattern, same group of detectives.
Diane Wilson, James Sossano, Martin Devlin, James Bruno. It's the
same detectives, same pattern, same wrong doing in the city
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of Camden, New Jersey. All they care about is conviction,
and the problem is being as though we come from
a poor, young black community, we don't have the resources,
or we don't have media attention, or they get away
with it. And then the judges and the prosecutors, they
took an oath to do the right thing, but they don't.
They dirty, they do people wrong. All they care about
(38:58):
is the conviction, and we don't have no body to
help with We need all the help we can get,
any exposure, any help at a city A can.
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On June seventeenth, two thousand and seven, at around two
thirty a m bars emptied out into the streets of Camden,
New Jersey amid the crowd in the parking lot of
the seventh and Cane Lounge. Gunshots struck twenty four year
old Tierra Presley and thirty two year old Adrian Jackson,
but only Jackson survived and he was unable to offer
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any leads. About six months later, Jackson was secretly recorded
speculating about the identity of his assailants, narrowing his suspects
to someone called Baby Jay and later another called Papa smurfh,
which led police to Madford Younger and Anthony Parker, the
latter of whom was acquitted, but two jail house informants
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claimed that Madford Younger had admitted to being one of
the shooters, sending him away for a minimum of sixty
six years. This is wrongful conviction. You're listening to Wrongful Conviction.
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You can listen to this and all the Lava for
Good podcasts one week early and ad free by subscribing
to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Welcome back
to Wrongful Conviction, where we've got a New Jersey case.
There haven't been many of those featured here, but that's
(01:32):
about to change. And calling in to tell his story
from a New Jersey correctional facility, Manfred Younger, Manfred, thanks
for joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you, man I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And joining Manford to help him tell this insane story
is a voice you're going to recognize. Justin Bonas, who's
been spending a great deal of time in Manfred's hometown
of Cambden, New Jersey, where he's uncovered quite a few
cases in a town that has a history of poverty
and corruption from law enforcement all the way up to
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mayors who had promised urban renewal and economic revitalization.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, because there's no improvement ever in Camden. I think
at one point they had four straight mayors that were
federally indicted. And then there's a period from like nineteen
ninety to twenty thirteen when the Camden County Police Department
was so corrupt. Camden is basically taken over by the
county in twenty twelve. Right before there was a takeover,
(02:31):
there were like sixty homicides in a city that's only
like seventy five eighty thousand people the most and they
weren't solving them, and then the ones that they were solving.
There's a lot of wrongful convictions, but there is a
sweet spot that I'm working on from like ninety nine
to like twenty eleven, and the show starts for real
(02:56):
with Martin Devlin, him and his partner Chuck Bentham. I
come to Camden from Phillya and what Devlin became a supervisor.
There's a pattern of single photo identifications and jailhouse informants.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Which is exactly what we're dealing with in this case.
In our audience, you may recall Detective Martin Devlin from
some Philly cases that we covered, Jimmy Dennis, Tony Wright,
Walter Ogrod, Troy Coleman. And after playing his trade in
Philadelphia for twenty five long years, he crossed over the
bridge into one of the most impoverished cities in all
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of America, Camden, New Jersey, where he continued his career
as an investigator in the Camden County Prosecutor's Office. While
Manfred was growing up.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, I grew up in the city of Canaden then
with my mom and my sister and my father. My
father named Manfred J. Younger Jenior. So my name Manfred J.
Younger Junior. So I got the baby J after my father.
I grew up playing community football and stuff that was good.
But we grew up hard city of Canda and the poverty.
(04:01):
It's messed up out there. We ain't have hot water.
We had to heat the house up with the oven,
boil hot water on the stove. You know, wear each
other clothes where your friends clothed. When it rained, when
it's a thunderstorm or snowstorm, it come through the ceiling.
It was bad in Camden. Ninety five percent of the
people is poor. Because of our population, it's only seventy
(04:22):
thousand people. We get overlooked. The only reason why we
get noticed is because the crime rate. Other than that,
we don't have nothing. Your mom and them had to
have money though, like growing up. If not, you had
to go to the streets. It ain't excuse, but time
get hard, desperation and that's when I went to the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
By Manfred's perspective, dealing drugs and carrying a gun was
necessary for survival in Camden, all of which made him
vulnerable to prosecution as well as violence. Street violence and
one of the victims in this case, Adrian Jackson, Well,
he was in the same boat, although he wasn't exactly
Anfred's contemporary.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Adrian Jackson is significantly older than Manfred, younger by a lot.
Everyone believed that Adrian Jackson was the target. He has
issues with older people in the drug world and Camden,
who Manfred had some type of affiliation with, But there
was never any real connection here.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I ain't never hang with him and not like that.
All them god older than me.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Adrian Jackson had also cooperated in a case in the
late nineties, so there were motivated parties on the night
that he was shot, none of whom were Manfred, and
along with Jackson, an innocent young woman named Tiera Presley
had also been shot. It was a Saturday night, June
sixteenth into the early hours of June seventeenth, two thousand
and seven, when both victims were out on the town
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with Tiera's cousin, Tia Hannah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
They're at a place called Seventh and Caine and what
they would consider the downtown area of Camden, New Jersey,
at around two thirty in the morning is when they
leave out of the bar.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Last call is two am. In New Jersey, so everyone
else was leaving with them, emptying out into this dirt
parking lot next to the bar that was adjacent to
the projects. Now it was a warm night where folks
were already hanging out in front of their buildings as.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well, and Adrian Jackson is talking to Tierra and Tia,
I guess walked off a little bit with another woman
named Maisha Ronett Brown. It's not well lit, and two
men came out of nowhere and fired a lot of shots.
Presley was hit six seven times. Jackson was hit over
ten times. The way he shot it, it's very difficult
(06:35):
to determine whether he could have seen it because he's
like shot in the side and then he's like spun
around when.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
He shot Tia.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Hannah and a man named John Freelan ushered Tiara into
her car and drove it to the hospital curiously, though
without Adrian Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, Jackson stays at the scene and he's just standing
there and people are like freaked out. His adrenaline had
kicked in so much. And then at some point I
think he sits down and passes out or something, and
then he gets picked up an ambulance takes him to
the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So by the time police had arrived, the crowd had dispersed,
including Maisha Runnett Brown and her boyfriend Richard Barge, who
becomes important later, but for now, the police forego a
vigorous canvas for eyewitnesses and instead they hope to speak
with the victims as well as Tia Hannah.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Jackson lived amazingly. Tierra dies. Unfortunately, this was an innocent
girl that was killed. Everybody knew that this was a
very big deal. These are not people that didn't want
to cooperate. But Tia Hannah tells the Prosecutor's office investigator
Diane Wilson, over and over again, I can't make an
idea right and Jackson, I mean, it's only by the
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grace of God that Dismand's alive. I mean, he's spun
around like a top. He was in the hospital for
over a month before he became coherent to speak. And
I mean, Adrian Jackson's a criminal. Okay, he has a
terrible background, but let me be clear with you. Adrian
Jackson cooperated before, so this is not a guy that's
apprehensive to talk to the police. And Adrian Jackson tells them, look,
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I was drunk when I came out, I don't know
who shot me, and he's like, you seem like you
don't believe me. If I knew who it was, I
would tell you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And so without any legitimate leads, the investigation kind of
switched course. It changed tactics right around the same time
that Manford was arrested for an unrelated matter on July fifteenth,
two thousand and seven, possession of an illegal firearm.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm from the city of Camden, so I got caught
with a weapon. That's the only way you know how
to protect yourself. I was in the corner store against
something to eat, and then the cops ran in there
because they were doing the search of like a drug area,
and then they searched me, and I had a gun
on me. I didn't have it legally. So anytime say
a fahamicide happened or shooting happened, and you might get
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locked up with drugs or whatever. Being as duff you
from that area where it happened, they would try to
question you and get you to act like you know something.
You see you know what I'm saying. And Diane Wilson,
she comes in there, I don't know her she don't
know me, so being a dawn young she probably figured like, oh, well,
he might want to get out of this case. So
(09:19):
she started asking me about crime around the area and
not just this murder, several murders, and I'm like, man
I don't know nothing. So that was my first running
with her. So now that's where she was familiar with
the name baby j But I had bailed out from
that weapon Chuck. I came back home three days after
I was home. I had another case out in another county,
(09:39):
Gloucester County. I had drugs that time, and I plared
guilty to probation in ninety days cent So I went
to Gloucester County for like seventy two days. Then I
came home September twenty four.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
And while Manford was still in Gloucester County jail on
the drug charge, Diane Wilson interviewed Adrian Jackson again on
September sixth, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
They press him again, okay, and I believe they actually
dropped Manfred's name and nickname, which is baby j The
important part about that nickname is there's five other Baby
James in Camden. Jackson again tells them I don't know
who shot me, okay, And the date of that second
interview for Adrian Jackson is a very big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And we'll get to why in just a minute. But first,
around three weeks later, Manford was released from Gloucester County
and was picked up again three days after his release
on September twenty seventh, with his friend Jeffrey Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, we got pulled over by Camden County Police. But
we got to dispatch from the police station where that
Cox said, I'm behind that vam with baby j and
them in there. So obviously somebody had to tell him
about who was in a vam. You give you know
what I'm saying. He lied on a report and said
we was driving sad basically like it was a regular
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traffic stop and I had a gun. And then I
was convicted ready for the drug. Once you get a conviction,
the state tuned to turn it over to the Fed.
That's when the Federal could charge you. It's called possession
of a whitness by previctor seventh and I got locked
back up September twenty seventh, three days I was home,
so I had a poll attorney. The first thing he
(11:16):
said is they don't want you. They want your boy.
Jones was my cole descendant. They believe that I know
all this stuff, like I don't know that guy like that.
So basically he was saying, like, yo, if you give
up information on him, they'll let you go. So I'm
just collateral damage. I took a flat rate play sixty
months for the gun charge. All this was in two
(11:37):
thousand and seven, and I've never seen the streets again.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Five years in federal prison was able to eventually morph
into a much longer state sentence, starting with a man
named Troy Loan.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Troy Loan got caught with a gun. He wanted the
way out of prison, so he told detective Wilson that
Adrian Jackson told him who did that to him? So
Roy Long wore a tape recorder on Jackson. On a
tape recorder, Jackson he ain't say he's seen nobody in
that he was speculating and they was talking about all
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these other old murders and Jackson admitting to the drug game.
He's also on wire tap saying that he lied in
another murder trial and then placed itself at the scene
of a murder and he wasn't even there. So he's
already got a pattern of lion fabricating story, but.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The prosecutor's officer doesn't care about that. And it's this
is what's so outrageous about this surreptitious audio recording. He's
going through in his mind who he thinks may or
may not have done this. So Jackson starts talking about
the fact that he has beef with these older gentlemen,
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and who is affiliated with these older gentlemen and now
understand this, he knows a nickname, which is Baby j.
He admits he doesn't know Baby Jack and in this
conversation between him and Troy Loan, he said it couldn't
have been this guy named Sean, so it had to
be Baby J. And and he mentions that another guys
(13:07):
a driver. Understand is there were multiple people that watched
two shooters run from the scene and not get into
a car. They just ran from a scene, right, So
he's guessing and by the process of elimination, he says
it's probably Baby j.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
As we know, Babyjy also happens to be Manfred's nickname,
but he's not the only Baby Jay in Camden. The
other nickname Jackson eventually mentioned was Papa Smurf aka Anthony Parker,
who in turn became Manfred's co defendant.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Interestingly, with Jackson in the audio to Troy Loan, he
did not identify Papa Smurf initially Anthony Parker. And again
this goes to show you that this guy Jackson is
just guessing.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And Jackson's unreliability was also made clear by something else
that he said on this audio recording.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Jackson specifically says that on September sixth of two thousand,
thousand and seven, when he came out of the prosecutor's
office after they're asking him about Manfreed Younger and he
doesn't know who this is, that he sees baby jack
driving and he wanted to kill him and doesn't do
it because it's broad daylight. So there's a huge problem
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with that, which is that Manfred Younger is incarcerated at
that point, So whoever he saw could not have been
Baby J or at least a baby J that's Manfred Younger.
It's impossible.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
The name BABYJ came up. That's when Diane Wilson went
full throttle. She called Jackson and said, we got new information.
You know who did it to you? Jackson stated again,
I told you I don't know who it was. But
when she pushed play, he got scared for all the
criminating statements he made about being a big time drug
dealer having guns, and he gave the name BABYJ with
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no hairstyle, no nothing, no race, no nothing. So she
went and got one picture of me and showed him.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Diane Wilson shows him a photo on some this is
the guy right? He says, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
They went to him with one photo, not a photo
or a one photo of me.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That is the evidence that gets Manfred Younger arrested.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
At this point, it's summer two thousand and eight. Manfred
was already in federal custody on the September twenty seventh
the gun charge, and he was brought in for his arraignment.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I go in the courtroom to get my bill, Diane Wilson,
get Tia Hannah, and Tia Hannah own words. Diane Wilson
get her to point me out at her arrangement here.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She's very adamant that she couldn't make an identification until
the arraignment. And I mean, come on, the guy's getting
arraigned for the murder of your cousin, and she's with
Diane Wilson, Tierra Presley's family, and then all of a sudden,
out of nowhere, a year and a half later, you say, yay,
he's the one. So Diane Wilson and the Camdens City
Police know that they have a really weak case, and
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Devlin is supervising us, and we have a pattern here
of the then go to the jail house informance, which
is Jamie Channer and Jamal Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
When you go to freederal prison. If you're from Jersey,
you rolle with Jersey people. If you Muslim, you run
with the Muslims. If whatever click you run with, that's
your crew. So amongst your crew, you got people who's
productive for the people of your crew. And you need
help with your case, you go to the Muslim power
leaguer Canner he was our paralleger.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Jamie Channer was a jail house lawyer that helped manfreed
with the allevi It's the extradition process for gun charge
that is totally unrelated. So he sees the probable cause statement,
the criminal complaint come through, so he knows the name
of the deceased, and the guy who gets shot doesn't
know anything other than that.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He writes Camden County Prosecutor Office and bargain with them
and say, I know information by the murder, but I
want three years off. He didn't give the information an
initial letter. You see what I'm saying. So Diane Wilson
calls him.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Jamie Channer says, hey, this guy admitted to this murder
over and over and over against He's writing letters to
Diane Wilson, and the information was basically wrong and develops overtime.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She spoke to that guy five times. If I tell
you I have a red Mustang today, five years later,
I should tell you I have a red Mustang. And
every time he talked to her, he'd come back with
additional information.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Even after five conversations, he still got the details wrong.
In the statement that developed, Channer said that Jackson shielded
himself behind Presley, which is contradicted by witnesses and the forensics.
Then he gets the motive wrong as well.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Channer said it was a gang initiated motive, a blood initiates.
Diane Wilson stipulated that she know I wasn't blood and
that wasn't even a motive, but she still allowed him
to say that in front of a jority.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Then in comes Jamal Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
In October of two thousand and nine. They go get
Jamal Gibbs, who's a serial cooperator. Now Jamal Gibbs's handler
is Jim Pizzano, but Jamal Gibbs is very close friends
with Martin Devlin. I have information from another case that
Gibbs actually refers to Martin Devlin as Sarge doing an interview.
The cops know exactly who he's talking about Devlin was
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supervising Manfred Younger's investigation, and Jamal Gibbs is an admitted killer.
By this point, he's pled guilty. He's looking to get
out of jail and says, presumably at the behest of Devlin,
that baby Jay admitted the homicide to.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Me when I was in the county, I was gonna
protective cuss to be status. So it's no way we
can interact, no way.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
The interesting thing about that is by this point Gibbs
is cooperating against like ten people, So everybody in the
Camden County jail knows that Jamal Gibbs us a cooperator.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
He was jumping in people cases like anytime your case
is weak, Jamal Gibbs ended up inside the case to
coroborate the motive or theory to strengthen the case. Like
the whole jail knew, stay away from that guy because
he a lie and fabrication information to get out his
own murder.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Why would Manfred Younger tell him he committed a murder.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Never mind that he didn't even have an opportunity to
do so. Thankfully, other guys came forward to Manfred's attorney
took discredit Gibbs, which became part of trial strategy when
Manfred and his co defendant Anthony Parker were tried in
March twenty eleven, where the state had about five main witnesses,
including Tia Hannah, who had previously id'd Manfred at his arrangement.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
She recance the idea trial.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
A prosecutor to try to get her to say with me.
Tia said, I don't know. I didn't see the guy's face,
but she's seen the description of brownskin guy with sure hair.
So the prosecutor say, point to the brownskin guy.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Point to the brownskin guy.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
My lawyer. He object. Even the judge said that that
was wrong. It was petering over the line.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And then she gives an affidavit recanting the ID and
saying this is my cousin. They basically coerced me into
making any identification in this case.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
John Frehlan also testified about trying Tierra Presley to the
hospital and how Tia Hannah had said even then that
she couldn't identify the shooter.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Hannah's essentially eliminated, but again the jury sees her point
Manfred out in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
The state also presented Troy Loan, who spoke about recording
Jackson's speculation about his shooters naming Baby J. Then Adrian
Jackson id'd Manfred as Baby J from the stand.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What the jury never hears is that on September sixth
of two thousand and seven, when Adrian Jackson says he's
leaving the prosecutor's office and says that he sees manfre
Younger and wanted to kill him, that could not have
been man for Younger because Manfred Younger was incarcerated. It's
my belief that the attorney did not present that information
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because he did not want to admit that his client
had a criminal record in front of the jury. But
that's a huge piece of evidence that Adrian Jackson did
not know who Manfred Younger was and his identification is
wholly unreliable.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Then Adrian Jackson idd Anthony Parker as Papa Smurf. But
the attorneys did cross examine Jackson about not being able
to identify his assailants for his first three interviews.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The evidence against Anthony Parker was strictly Adrian Jackson, and
that's it. And look at who got acquitted and who
got convicted. It's my belief that's why the jailhouse informants
were so critical in this case. I mean they were
mentioned in the opening statement, and then they were mentioned
a lot in summation by the prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
And the jailhouse informants were focused solely on Manfred. As
we already said, Jamie Lee Channer's statement was unsupported by reality.
Manfred was not a blood and was not ordered by
the Bloods to kill Jackson. Diane Wilson stipulated to that. Additionally,
Jackson had not used Presley as a human shield, there
was no getaway driver, and he also said that Manfred
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did the shooting alone.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's just shocking that you a lie like that. Even
the ballistics show two shooters, two different guns, two different
shell cases. All the witnesses say two shooters, but he
lie and say I did it myself. Like the physical
evidence outweighed what he talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Jamie Lee Channer even admitted in his own trial testimony
that after Manfred Younger left the federal facility that he
was in, he was getting more information to give to
the prosecutor. Are you kidding me? That means that he
presumably was being fed information from the prosecutor's office. The
whole purpose of a jail house informant is the person
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says out of their mouth that they committed this crime. Right,
it's called this statement against penal interest. It goes against
the defendant's interests to admit to committing a crime. So
therefore it is assumed that those statements are reliable. The
problem with that is when you have a witness that
has a tremendous incentive to lie about what that person said.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The prosecutor lied, said she didn't give them nothing. He
lied and said he was coming ford protect the public,
but all alone he got a favor.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Right after Manfred Younger gets sentenced, the prosecutor in the
case writes a letter to a federal judge saying he
provided substantial assistance give him a time cut. But Jamie
Channer says, I didn't get anything for my testimony.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And without this an even more impeachment evidence that was
discovered after trial, Channer's testimony appeared believable, as did Jamal Gibbs,
who also claimed to have received nothing in return when
he testified that he knew Presley from high school and
press Gibbs about the senseless killing.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
They used the professional snitch Jamal Gibbs to come up
with a theory and a motive to inflame the jury.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
The theory was that Jeffrey Jones, Manfred's co defended from
the federal gun charge, ordered him to kill Jackson for
some slight and that Jackson grabbed Presley again with the
unsupported human shield narrative, and Gibbs alleged that when pressed further,
Manford responded, and this is a quote, fucked that bitch.
She all out there in the way, man, she got
(24:58):
to get handled. Eighty crippling crazy. They can get it, man,
it don't even matter.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Fuck her end quote, which is incredibly inflammatory, obviously, but
Manfred's lawyer had seven rebuttal witnesses, including Milton Gardner and
Brian Montinez.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Milton Gardner testifies that Gibbs is lying what they call
jumping on people's cases, that this is a practice of
his of finding people's cases and getting on them from
a time cut. And we have information that Gibbs was
also getting discovery from the prosecutor's office, presumably Martin Devlin,
to make his trial testimony more accurate, and that Gibbs
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was recruiting other people. Brian Montinez testified that he was
approached by Jamal Gibbs that Gibbs was actively seeking cooperators
and Montonez knew Martin devil because Gibbs.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's discovered later that even more witnesses had discredited Gibbs.
That didn't make it into the defense trial strategy, but
at least some damage was done.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The prosecutor harped on the credibility of Jamie Lee Channer
and Jamal Gibbs over and over again because the identification
in the case was so weak.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
At the time. You believe like these guys ain't got
no credibility. The jury didn't believe Jackson. I had to
read backs on channering Gibbs. I trusted the process, thinking
that the process was fair, but it obviously is not. Basically,
they went with Channer and Gibbs. Then that's when they
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came back with the guilty verdict. I didn't even go
in there. I was in a bullpen because something had
happened with the sheriff's officers. So my lawyer basically came
back and told me the news.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Manfred received two consecutive census sixty years for the murder
and eighteen years for the attempted murder a seventy eight
year sentence with parole eligibility after sixty six years, and
the sentence began while he was serving out his five
year federal sentence.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Most of my time I stayed in the county because
I had the court situation with this case. So the
time almost up anyway. You believe that the pill process
take like a year eighteen months, but I had time anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So that's how I looked at it, like I'll be.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Back on a pill. So then after that I came
here from Camden County. I'm in New Jersey State Prison
now MAXIM Secure facility and federal prison. You get to
go out all day from six thirty am to nine pm.
You out the room, but here you lock down all day.
Basically you get yard every other day. You get to shower,
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you get to use the Kia is the size of
a bathroom, smaller than the bathroom. For by success, I
work out, listen to music, talk to my family, watch TV.
For the first and most part followed the law. It's
hard man. A lot of gods lose their mind down here.
It's a rough spot. But you just got the only
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focus is to get out of jail. When I came here,
my mind frame, like I said, you be thinking, you
trust the process because you innocent, So you get a
lawyer on direct to tell automatically God that don't know
no better leave it up to the lawyer and they
don't do no research. But I still was young, so
I came down here playing basketball, running around. So my
mind frame was let the lawyer do everything till then
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as I got older and start figuring her out. Now
I helped myself help the lawyer. I cut my TV
off and went through all my trial transcripts and stuff.
That's when I started finding new evidence that wasn't presented
that trial that basically shows and proved that I've been framed.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That One major development was Richard Barge. Not only was
he another Jamal Gibbs victim, but he also was an
eyewitness who had come forward to Manfred's attorney pre trial.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
When we were in the county back in two thousand
and nine. He was like, yo, man, tell you a
lawyer to contact me. Man, you ain't do that shit.
So I told my lawyer about it. So he went
to see Richard Barge.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
And he tells them that he was out there that
night with a woman who Tia Hannah says is at
the scene.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And that girlfriend was Maisha Brown, the person Tia Hannah
was next to when the shots rang out.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
He says that man for Younger isn't one of the shooters,
that he was actually standing in the general vicinity of
where Adrienne Jackson and Tierra Presley were standing when the
shots rang out, and he knows Manford Younger, and he
says that Younger is not one of the shooters. Unfortunately,
man for Younger's lawyer never calls Richard Barge.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
My lawyer was like, well, I believe he was there,
but the jury might not believe him because both of
y'all got Jamal gar.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Gates, which seems like a colossal lapse in judgment considering
what Jamal Gibbs testified to in Barge's trial.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
In Richard Barge's case, he actually testified that Richard Barge
admitted to a homicide via sign language, but.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
When this ineffective council claim was presented at a post
conviction hearing, Manford's attorney was also called to the stand,
where he had trouble recalling his interaction with Richard Barge
or with Manfred about using barge.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, he was old already, he was eighty years old,
so when he came to the PCR here he was
even way like off track.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nevertheless, the judge decided to err on the side of
defense council's murky recollection of his final trial after a
thirty six year career. But this wasn't defense Council's only misstep.
As we mentioned, counsel never raised the problem with Jackson's
id illustrated by his alleged spotting of baby Jay on
September sixth, two thousand and seven, while Manford was incarcerated
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in Gloucester County Jail. So Manfred's PCR motion was denied
in twenty eighteen. But so much more has been discovered
since then.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Number One, that Jamie Lee Channer, who testified a trial,
he did not receive a benefit, that he was doing
this out of the kindness of his heart. He absolutely
received a benefit. He received a time cut, He received
support from the Camden County Prosecutor's office to get out
of jail. Jamal Gibbs testified that he was not receiving
anything for his testimony. Now, this guy played guilty to manslaughter.
(31:26):
He's a killer. Jamal Gibbs. He pleads guilty to manslaughter.
At sentencing, the judge is going to hear all the
cooperation right and consider that in so his trial testimony
that he's he already received his deal, that he expects
to get five years. That's what he says. I expected
a fighter. This guy gets five years for killing a person.
(31:47):
It turns out he got money and housing for his testimony.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
So he got money, housing and the sweet deal of
just five years for murder.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Wow, and what was interesting this guy? As this His
child's mother comes forward and says that he admitted to
her that he was lying in cases to get out
of jail. I forget. What he's saying is why do
ten when you can lie on ten?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All this?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Why do ten when you can lie on a friend
or something like that. That was his thing, and it's
come out in the investigation. He did not like man
for younger. But his baby mother comes forward, provides a
sworn statement to an investigator, says that he admitted the
lying in cases to her and that he shot up
her house because he thought she was talking to the
(32:33):
Camden County prosecutors. The second he gets out of jail,
he shoots her house up. She goes to the Camden
County Prosecutor's office and they bury it. They refuse to
help her.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So we've established that Channer and Gibbs were not telling
the truth and were incentivized to lie. But now there
are witnesses to corroborate Richard Barge's statement and Man for gennicence.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
There's a gentleman by the name of Antoine Stanley who
was also out there that night, who said that he
sees the shooters run up and that Man for Younger
couldn't have been one of them. He knew Man for
Younger couldn't be Man for Younger. Another witness, Darryl Debbie,
Troy Loan's nephew by the way, who actually says that
Troy Loan suggested to Adrian Jackson that baby Jay was
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the killer.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
And then, of course there's what has come out about
Martin Devlin in Philadelphia, and it appears that his conduct
only continued in Camden. The single photo identifications supported by
incentivized jailhouse snitches.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's a pattern in that office that begins to really
take shape in the nineties. And guess who arrived in
the nineties Martin Devlin. I mean, they have a pattern
of saying that if you live in Camden, then you
know everybody in Camden. Therefore we can just show anyone
a single photo and let them identify anybody. Everybody knows
everybody in Camden. If you ask the Camden Police Department
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and the Prosecutor's office, everybody knows everybody. That's just not true,
it's systemic, it's endemic. Man for Younger, from my investigation,
is an innocent man that's been sitting in prison for
fifteen years for crime he didn't commit.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
A murder.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
He didn't commit and this is something he's been fighting
since day one.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
After Justin picked up Manfred's case at twenty twenty two,
he shared the case with the New Jersey Attorney General's
Conviction Review Unit, but they ran into trouble.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It's actually quite heartbreaking because that cru and New Jersey
they did not finish their investigation and essentially there's deadlines
with evidence and it's within a year of me discovering
the deal that Jamie Channer gets. I had to go
to the court with that. So I had to essentially
make a move for Manfred because I can't let a
(34:38):
Brady claim as strong as what we have with Jamie
Lee Channer sit that he received a deal when really
his testimony was he was a saint, you know what
I mean, like his mother Teresa or something.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Just a concerned citizen.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Out of the goodness of his heart. The guy's a liar.
I couldn't do that. And I've discovered other evidence that
with Gibbs. I mean, we knew that Gibbs had got
money in housing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Jamal Gibbs got paid ten thousand dollars in a house,
and he lied to other cases and they didn't turn
that over.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
And now we have confirmation of that he cooperated in more.
I think they mentioned four cases to defense counsel he
cooperated in. He cooperated in over ten. And that's astounding
in a place of smallest Camden. I mean, it's like,
so everybody who committed a murder that was sitting in
Camden County jail is telling you that they committed the
murder and.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Give He just recently recanted to the Attorney General Office
saying I didn't tell him nothing. He admitted that I
didn't confess to him. This is new, all this new.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
The plan is the file a PCR based upon actual innocence,
significant Brady violations based upon what's called the fraud upon
the court, which is that witnesses lied at trial and
the prosecutor knew that they lied at trial by the
prosecutor's own file.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Is there anything that our audience could do to help
besides sharing this episode obviously as at least the first step.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Oh yeah, I just want y'all to support you. Hear
what's going on. Everything I'm saying is facts. It's not freestyle,
and the facts is documented. Everything is on paper.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Number One, they need to reach out to Matthew Plackin,
who's the Attorney General about Camden County. Number two, they
should write the governor. But number three, they need to
really put pressure on the Camden County Prosecutor's office.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
You could go to my Instagram and check everything out
free underscore Manfred, and you get to see what your
own your own eyes.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, we're going to have that length in the episode description,
and with that we're going to go to closing arguments,
where first of all, I thank both of you from
the bottom of my heart for joining us. And now
I'm just going to kick back in my chair with
my microphone off and my headphones on and just listen
to anything else you feel is left to be said.
Justin You're gonna go first, Manfred, You'll take us off
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ato the sunset.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Manfred is not the only case like this, okay. I
represented a gentleman by the name of Tehran Hill who
was exonerated in twenty twenty one, and Tehran Hill almost
spot on with manfreed single photo, two jail house informants,
and through the course of the Attorney General's Conviction Review
(37:16):
Units investigation determined that the jailhouse informants were unreliable. One
of them were candidate at trial, and then the identification
of Tron Hill was unreliable because of the single photo.
Same thing as man for younger and I have other
cases in Camden County. This is systemic. What's going on here.
They took this man and they threw him in the
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garbage camp. His mother is getting up in age. He
does not want to die in prison. It's heartbreaking, and
the Canden County Prosecutor's office thinks that people are just
going to go away. I'm not going away. My name
is Justin Bonus. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It ain't just me, it's the same pattern with the
same guy that pops up in everybody case. It's four
guys down here with me. Now. They got one single
photo jail house snitch. Richard Barrs one photo with the
same jail house smich. Jamal gives in about fifteen cases
murder cases just to save his own behind because he
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had his own murder trial. He got five years for
his own case, murder at tempted murder, bank robbery, and
ten thousand doles in the house. Just the fabricate stories
on innocent people. It's the same pattern, same group of detectives.
Diane Wilson, James Sossano, Martin Devlin, James Bruno. It's the
same detectives, same pattern, same wrong doing in the city
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of Camden, New Jersey. All they care about is conviction,
and the problem is being as though we come from
a poor, young black community, we don't have the resources,
or we don't have media attention, or they get away
with it. And then the judges and the prosecutors, they
took an oath to do the right thing, but they don't.
They dirty, they do people wrong. All they care about
(38:58):
is the conviction, and we don't have no body to
help with We need all the help we can get,
any exposure, any help at a city A can.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction. You can listen
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